The Defenders- Iron Fist and Luke cage first talk

The Defenders S1 E3 "Worst Behavior"

[@ARuiz-eu3hk]

Luke cage is technically not invincible. You just have to hit him really, really, really, really, really, really......really hard.

[@lochness5524]

Thanos’s blade: It’s free real estate

[@broku4328]

So a 20mm ?

[@Testsubjex]

Or you can snap him out of existence or just remove his atoms or whatever

[@AmbientMess]

Or drown him. Poisoning him also works assuming the effect of it counteracts his healing factor

[@senister14]

Yeah, wolverine cuts him like butter.

[@RANDOM-KNIGHT145]

Seriously how can luke not believe this after living in a world of cyborg billionaires, super soldiers, ALIENS and a living Thunder God ?!?!?!?!!!

[@gerac.8889]

And himself having superpowers haha

[@HeavySandvichGuy1]

@@gerac.8889 I mean, he got superpowers from experiment, yet this guy talks about some kind of magic. Everything else though, no excuse

[@AngelGonzalez-kl5hz]

Doctor Strange didn't believe in Magic at first either

[@zulkifli4201]

This comment feels irrelevant since this world is different from MCU Welp, sorry to hear that

[@HeavySandvichGuy1]

@@zulkifli4201 except this is part of MCU

[@thattypicalslimy8548]

No one: Not a single soul: Danny Rand:I'm the immortal Iron Fist, sworn protector of k'un lun.

[@koulor315]

They live in a world where gods, realms, the supernatural, aliens, and magic exists, Luke himself is bulletproof and Luke cage still denying iron fist’s story

[@sammalone7881]

How much of that stuff is known by the general public though? Just because aliens attacked, it doesn't mean a person would reasonably believe in all supernatural phenomenon.

[@krishnanandpremanand3581]

@@sammalone7881 in Luke Cage merchandise of Avengers were being sold

[@kibwel.parker6042]

It's a different world. Different from NY. Seems fairly tale, fantasy themed

[@danielhaire6677]

@@kibwel.parker6042 Harlem is different than a lot of the rest of NYC or even just the Borough of Manhattan. The Battle of New York was centered over Stark Tower and a few blocks around Grand Central in the Midtown portion of Manhattan, where a lot of the major businesses are headquartered near the Empire State Building. This is south of Central Park Harlem in the Northern Part of Manhattan which has always had the larger minority and blue-collar working populace comparitively. People there tend to be more directly pragmatic. As such, powers from a science experiment is understandable as it involves real tech that can be seen. The supernatural much less so.

[@marethyu_primo7638]

"All of this sounds insane" Says the literal human tank

[@damiandavis612]

Touche

[@elijahwilcox6215]

to be fair I found it funny when Danny said " he punched me" and luke retorted with " you punched first and Claire said seriously? cause luke and Danny sounded like they were in fith grade

[@Fenixias]

yeah, especially with the way Colleen looked after they said that xD

[@ZephyrBW]

That’s what makes them great friends

[@barisbal7782]

İ wish danny would stop doing this. He talks like people will already understand him when he talks about kun-lun dragon and iron fist

[@venomrulesall]

Well they do live in the same universe as: A guy with an armor that has more fire power than an army, a flag man who can fight a god with just a shield, a man who has a hammer that can control weather, and a large green giant. All who was in New York where most of the defenders live. Everything Iron Fist said is tame compare to all that.

[@H.K.5]

Baris Bal They should be able to understand and believe him. They live in the same universe as the Avengers for crying out loud. Lol

[@leoc.7514]

Venom Rules All Yeah, sure. It's the MCU and in this universe, all is possible. XD

[@barisbal7782]

my point was, human brain might be very simple. if some truth is so absurt for itself, it chose rejection some times. no matter what it saw before. i love danny and i love İ F season 1 and 2 but thats bugging my very much. at least, he could have think like ''i probably better skip the dragon part, until i get out of this asylum i dont need the people who think im crazy''

[@ZephyrBW]

Yeah I mean a god of thunder and a 10 foot green temper bomb ready to go off, if those are real why can’t a dragon be real

[@necroz9501]

"he punched me" "you punched first" ultimate boys thing.

[@nathancarrasco5988]

the look on Colleen and Claire's face when he's like :you punched first" like really guys...... the girls are both in awe on how immature both are being lol hilarious

[@theycalledme4776]

"he punched me" "He punched first" Like little kids

[@marcelhidalgo1076]

Matt Murdock is the best Defender

[@Daniel-xr6ku]

Hell no

[@quit8591]

I like luke Cage

[@rareschorban936]

Then why are you writing this here?

[@SpiderManMCUniverse]

@Daniel yes

[@TheBlackButterfly888]

Luke Cage is the best.

[@H.K.5]

This is why Luke is my favorite Defender, he's not just a complete badass but he's also got an awesome personality.

[@samuelbrown4764]

Hamza Khaliq he has a horrible and racist personality

[@sN00p_]

@@samuelbrown4764 racist lmao did we watch the same show

[@swoopnscore3056]

White folk are often mad about the truth & then when they feel threatened by the truth they call it “race baiting”.

[@Brian-nz5qp]

@@samuelbrown4764 Explain how? curius to know.

[@lazswart2698]

Yes I agree bro!! Sadly that changed in the second season of Luke cage

[@shadowspidey7327]

Well Danny did Punch First.

[@H.K.5]

It was self defense. I'm not siding with Danny, I'm just saying.

[@gabrielsouto6031]

When did this happen

[@shadowspidey7327]

@@gabrielsouto6031 In the Defenders series.

[@jakimusPrime_07]

And last

[@shadowspidey7327]

@@jakimusPrime_07 Yep.

[@bladesinclair2034]

The fear on Luke's face when he realises he has to talk with Danny.

[@jimmy2k4o]

Danny had a much much much harder life that Luke. But Luke can’t possibly believe that could be true if Danny is rich and white.

[@darkknightdoctrine]

And white?

[@spammr2863]

@@darkknightdoctrine Luke literally makes a point of telling Danny he’s a privileged white boy

[@darkknightdoctrine]

@@spammr2863 I missed it lol

[@spammr2863]

@@darkknightdoctrine nah, it wasn’t in this video that Luke said that

[@darkknightdoctrine]

@@spammr2863 honestly just realised i misread the original comment completely

[@ramonfernandomirandanoguei365]

The kid was throwing acid into corpses that's somenthing else. It's not like he was selling drugs or making robberies, both stupid decisions but you can comprehend why someone in a desperate situation would do that. "Cleaning" up corpses requires stomach or lack of.

[@lucase.sanchezsilvero9958]

Yeah, there are people who try to justify this shit with "they need the money for the family". There are so many ways for having money but this idiots raised in the streets only choose the easy way.

[@GeneralKenobi75]

@@lucase.sanchezsilvero9958 Spoken like someone who has a lot of privilege. If you were in this kid's situation, you wouldn't be so quick to judge.

[@lucase.sanchezsilvero9958]

@@GeneralKenobi75 yeah yeah, that doesn't justify anything, try again.

[@GeneralKenobi75]

@@lucase.sanchezsilvero9958 I've seen your other comments and your racism is apparent. You judge these guys for not "just getting jobs" as if it were that easy. You bash Luke for pointing out the very real racism he and people like him have to endure. Its obvious what your bias is.

[@lucase.sanchezsilvero9958]

@@GeneralKenobi75 very obvious, yeah, but that doesn't change the fact. Luke doesn't have to endure anything from society, one white police it's not the whole world. And yes, it is not an easy way, but is the only correct way (except if you are like those idiots, in that case screw you and go get a job). But good one, you make me laugh trying to point my "racism".

[@ZephyrBW]

You know as far as great friendships being born go this, went off a lot better then ya normally expect.

[@gabrielsouto6031]

And remember Luke said that they all need to put everything on the table and he was understanding about Matt identity staying secret

[@heartbrave4834]

Gimme "Heroes for Hire"...NAAOOOWWW!!!

[@TheDarkarrow7]

Hopefully Disney+ will do it 🤞

[@kodesh1674]

Mean while the Avengers r fighting a big purple dude😂😂😂

[@mirianilomashvili3533]

🤣🤣

[@basedostrich]

Nah bro idgaf who you are or what your situation is at home with your family, if you are spending your nights pouring acid on dead bodies you deserve what you get. They could've had this class argument about anything else but the fact that the writers decided that the cause would be about some shit like that then I completely disregard Luke Cage's points. And the worst part is I doubt Iron Fist would've even done much to the kid, he just wanted information. I garentee he might have just knocked the kid on his ass and left him be, not that big of a concern tbh. Luke Cage is wrong here. Edit: I feel like people will attack me about the fact that the kid got killed in cell, that is quite sad and I wasn't implying that he deserved that. But he did deserve to be arrested for what he was doing

[@exodustimes4266]

I agree with you! Also I hate the fact that Luke says Danny should be doing more. Danny is defending the world against mystical threats like dragons!

[@magallanesagustin4952]

Luke is also wrong in trying to justify the boy getting into a criminal organization by calling it "trying to feed their families". Like, feeding their families by killing innocent people who feed their families with honest jobs?

[@bluevegeta4565]

Everyone misunderstood what Luke Cage was saying to Danny about his wealth. What he was trying to say is that he isn’t utilizing that power to do some good because he’s stuck in this dilemma that being rich instantly makes you a jerk. And yeah yeah I know he said “billionaire white boy”…….we all know what white privilege is, he just said that to display the fact that he can use his money to help.

[@lucase.sanchezsilvero9958]

No, it wasn't a misunderstand, Luke goes with this argument every time in his series.

[@magallanesagustin4952]

Sure, because only white people are born economically privileged, right? Spoiler allert: no, that's not true. Luke is also wrong in trying to justify the bpy getting into a criminal organization by calling it "trying to feed their families". Like, feedinf their families by killing innocent people who feed their families with honest jobs?

[@jodyf8443]

This scene and the scene after it is literally a dunking on how poorly written Iron Fist is and I freaking thank the writers for it.

[@l0sts0ul89]

Blame the writers they are fuckinf brain dead.

[@mirianilomashvili3533]

I mean bro i don't really undesrtand why people hate ironfist like what you don't like in that character if you say actress is bad I don't think that's the cause

[@magallanesagustin4952]

Same as Batman.

[@K1ng1995]

Ok who here thinks that instead of Luke calling Danny a rich white spoiled brat. It would’ve been better if he had said what Alfred said to Bruce Wayne in the Dark Knight Rises. That Danny doesn’t have to use his iron fist he can use his money and his connections to stop people from having no choice but to work for the hand. I’m not to sure if what I’m saying makes any sense.

[@arepic3258]

Painter Lava Lamp Well he did say that he could be using his money to help people but I don’t think it really makes sense that it causes people to join the Hand because usually they help the hand because they’re threatened

[@K1ng1995]

well I was just meaning something along the lines of that

[@MrLobo1024]

Luke Cage was privileged, not Danny Rand.

[@gabrielsouto6031]

Seriously leaving both of them in a room together

[@devinhamb6586]

Okay I just want to put my 2 cents in on the scene after this is sense because the comments got disabled for that video. To me it wasn't coming off as white privilege. Luke is basically saying that Danny had power the day he was born because he comes from a rich family and doesn't no what its like to struggle for survival. Doesn't me the crimes said kid did excusable, but it was understandable. Plus I don't remember him saying anything about WHITE privilege during the confrontation. Look at Jessica and Matt, their white and not exactly well off, especially Jessica. So all I'm saying is that Luke is taking about privilege not race in that scene.

[@firetopman]

Oh, they're not going to come right out and *say* "white" privilege, but they are going to directly use the arguments *for* white privilege. Black man scolds white man for fighting black criminal because he doesn't understand where black criminal comes from. This is EXACTLY how white privilege is argued today, Luke even goes so far to try and defend the criminal behavior because it was done in the name of family.

[@WhyNot-jg7jo]

Yeah, except that he calls him 'white boy' and seems to be using it as a pejorative.

[@devinhamb6586]

Maybe I missed that one piece of dialogue. But the thing is I'm not seeing it as a race war or anything of that nature. Yes the scene after this, makes it come across the white privilege argument when Luke starts grilling Danny, but only if you choose to see that way. I choose to see it from a certain perspective, not as a race argument.

[@firetopman]

Devin Hamb In other words, ignoring the issue

[@grizzlymelon8376]

Doesn`t change the fact Luke assumed Danny even enjoyed ANYTHING about said "Privilage" and went off on a tirade assuming shit about him that was shown we all KNOW to be completely false. I could have accepted that if it got adressed again to see how wrong he was, but for some reason they make Danny shut up as if Luke is right. Not to mention the language used sounds an awful damn lot like the shit the woke folk see reality like.

[@knoxking963]

Luke Cage the only reason I watch this show

[@namesareoldschool4533]

Idk the show but iron fist seems way cooler lol

[@nikosfilipino]

Not suprising.

[@onlyone23km]

Daredevil was mine.

[@mirianilomashvili3533]

fr bro people are giving hate for no reason@@namesareoldschool4533

[@samuelbrown4764]

It makes me rly annoyed with Luke cage how he’s constantly bringing up skin colour and judges Danny just cuz he’s white and is rich

[@K1ng1995]

That’s what I thought to. What if Luke had something along the lines of “the difference between me and you is that I’m not some rich kid who thinks the only way to stop the problem is by beating on kids who are just trying to survive. You had the power to change the world. Yes I get that being a clean up crew to a murder was wrong. But what other choices to people who are victims of the system have? You think that thing you have is powerful but you were born into privilege. Why not use that instead of beating on people who are just trying to feed their families.

[@nikosfilipino]

@@K1ng1995 i agree, theres so many better ways he couldve handled this. If thats how he felt, what about all the people he's beaten up along the way? The people at the crispus attucks building, how many of them were just tryna feed their family or get out of their impoverished state? Lotta double standards here.

[@ghostofoutlaw]

@Joshua Calosso 😂🤣😂🤣

[@ramonfernandomirandanoguei365]

​@@K1ng1995 Trying to feed their families by "cleaning" corpses? It's not like that kid was selling drugs or making robberies, both stupid choices but you can comprehend we live in a fucked up society. Throwing acid into corpses it's something else, it requires stomach to do that or lack of one.

[@K1ng1995]

@@ramonfernandomirandanoguei365 exactly man all I was saying is that if Luke said something along the lines of my last comment it would've been a lot better

[@1eyeddevil929]

So what we got here... Matt/Daredevil: Blinded when he was just a kid, struggling lawyer, just lost his friends and is trying to reconnect with them and lost his lover Jessica: Personal Investigator who was raped both mentally and presumably, physically like sexually, struggling with PTSD because she was forced to commit murder under influence of mind control Danny/Iron Fist: Was forced to become a living weapon, treated like an outsider harshly in his "new home", gets abused for failure in every training and Carl/Luke: Jailed for a crime he didn't commit, got powers after... uh... HARLEM!!! I'm OpPrEsSeD!!! idk lmao

[@lucase.sanchezsilvero9958]

A very good resume xd as much I prefer Luke Cage over Iron Fist, the characters are very stupid with this constant racist discussion (even when we don't see the so called racism in Luke Cage).

[@GeneralKenobi75]

Wow you don't think Luke is on par with the rest? He got framed for a crime he didn't commit, had to fight for his life in jail, was forcibly experimented on, and then had to live the rest of his life on the run. Danny can't compare. And here you are mocking Luke for saying he's oppressed? After all he's gone through, he very much is. The bias you people have is so transparent.

[@lucase.sanchezsilvero9958]

@@GeneralKenobi75 please stop, you try so hard to make it look like we are racist. That is not a fact, but Luke being an idiot who thinks all is about "black vs white" is a solid fact in the show.

[@1eyeddevil929]

@@GeneralKenobi75 The shit that Danny went through makes Luke's experience like a joke. Luke has just unbreakable skin and fights like a brawler just to survive. Danny had to endure bias because he's an outsider, train without making mistakes to beatings and punch rocks till they bleed, just to toughen his fists. Not to mention, he had to learn ALL forms of Kung Fu (Shao Lin, Wushu, Tai Qi, Wing Chun, etc) all at the same time! Without making mistakes. The fact Luke thinks Danny got better because "he's white" just make Luke a bias asshole, bringing up he got it worse "cos he's black". The final nail on the coffin is when Danny told Luke that he only scratched the surface, Luke just went, "Dude. Trust me."

[@GeneralKenobi75]

​@@1eyeddevil929 Everything I've seen of Danny in both the Defenders and his own series shows me Danny is an entitled prick. He acts like he "earned" his powers but he acts instead like a child. He uses his skills and power to pursue his own vendetta against the Hand. He wasn't even interested in fighting the Hand until they made it personal. Despite all his training, Danny is still a spoiled brat and acts like it. Luke has been fighting for his community since he got those powers. He may not have acquired them through training like Danny did but he earned them. Danny has just been fighting for himself. And you say Luke didn't go through the same experiences Danny did? Did you even watch his show. He's had to endure racism, being framed for a crime, fight to survive in prison, and almost died after being forced into an illegal experiment and then had to spend the rest of his life on the run and even after saving Harlem and becoming a hero, he was still sent to jail again. Danny had his family fortune and company to come back to. And yes, Luke had to endure far worse due to his race than Danny ever did. The whole reason Luke was framed and jailed was because he was judged purely for being black. His innocence was not considered because of his race, something lots of black people in this country go through in case you hadn't notice. Despite the fact Luke served in the marines and was a police officer his guilt was still predetermined because of his skin. Danny keeps claiming he is better because he "earned" his powers from his training, but none of his actions have shown it. He fights purely for his own selfish reasons, was ready to brutally beat up a teenager desperate for cash in order to get information, yet claims he is fighting for something greater. That's entitlement right there and Danny needs to grow up.

[@kibwel.parker6042]

Claire; We're gonna leave you two alone. And you're gonna talk....talk. Danny; soooo. You hittin' that? Luke; none of your business...you hittin' that? Danny; 😏

[@kobedragon6069]

So the iron fist is immortal? Then why do they keep dying? 😮

[@worldclasshero4012]

Honestly this made dislike Luke Cage when he started judging Danny based on his skin color and his wealth.

[@1eyeddevil929]

yeah me too... I was like, "Luke... You got a struggling broke lawyer who went blind when he was just a child, a drunk private investigator whom I'd presumed was raped by a mind controlling purple fuck and a guy who was forced to become a living weapon and was abused during his multiple trainings but yeah, go on and tell me how OpPrEsSiVe your life is..." I just felt like Luke was a little bit self-centered in this scene

[@H.K.5]

True. Luke is my favorite Defender but I was annoyed when he started judging Danny.

[@derek96720]

Honestly that's pretty true to reality. It doesn't matter how hard a life a white person has. In the minds of some black people, they'll always be protected by "white privilege." It's a typical victim narrative that's based on the solidarity black people have with each other. Black people don't have a joint culture the way that the Irish do, or the Italians, or the Germans, or the Mexicans. Black people don't have one nation they can all trace their cultural heritage to. So the only thing that binds them together in the modern day is the oppression narrative that they all build their world view around.

[@Tonybc99]

generic racist black guy, what else

[@Tonybc99]

derek96720 man, that is true, they identify as slaves, sadly

[@raventvayne1584]

What eps and which series? Luke or iron?

[@nizarbenkhira1844]

ravent vayne series call the defenders with luke cage, iron fist, jessica jones and daredevil

[@1eyeddevil929]

How bloody ironic this scene actually is. Luke Cage is the privileged one here! I mean, Danny Rand was trapped in a mystical monastery and HAD to train for YEARS and he gained the Iron Fist. HE EARNED IT! Luke Cage got his powers cos some racist dude decided to turn some switch. Luke gained his abilities but he NEVER earned those

[@assassinsknight]

He got fucked up Prison mentally and physical before he became Luke Cage, what I’m saying is they both have had it rough.

[@crucisnh]

Not to particularly take sides, but a lot of superheroes fall into various categories of how they became heroes. You have the ones who had to train for years to become what they are. Iron Fist, Batman, Green Arrow, and so on. And you have those who gained their abilities through dumb luck or fate or whatever. Luke Cage, Spiderman, Green Lantern, and so on. And some are just born with them. Superman, mutants in Marvel Comics, etc. One could look at Iron Man and say that he falls into a couple of categories. He seemed to be born very intelligent, and went to great schools perhaps, so he had all the knowledge to build his tech, but he didn't do it until fate forced him into a situation where he was forced to use his training to build the tech to rescue himself. Arguably, all of these superheroes have some level of privilege and some degree of training to various degrees and different mixes.

[@nikosfilipino]

@@crucisnh exactly! Priviledge operates on a spectrum. Everyone is privileged and disadvantaged in some way, but we get so hung up as a society on skin color being the defining trait of priviledge that we stereotype people who have certain privileges. This is not just hypocritical in that those who are against stereotypes are doing it themselves, but everyone who makes this argument would not be talking if they had it themselves.

[@thepopulargirl1784]

Luke did though, the whole point of the prison fight ring was to come up with candidates who could survive the testing. He didn't just get picked at random. He never would have been in that position if he didn't earn his place on the candidate list.

[@1eyeddevil929]

@@thepopulargirl1784 nope he was selected cos he's useful, just like a lab rat. Danny worked hard to EARN Qi energy by literally training before chosen to fight Shou Lao. He even had to shed his identity to be accepted cos Kun Lun hates gweilos or outsiders. He's basically not welcome till Danny learned their ways.

[@kristianjosh8293]

Luke was speaking facts in this scene about Danny

[@Maxi_Jano]

Danny lived in another dimension harvesting vegetables for food and getting hit with stabs in the back almost every week for ten years. Carl don''t know shit

[@antonpricejr.3113]

I’m not gonna lie he was from his point of view I can understand but at the same time I understand Danny side as well because Luke didn’t understand what kind of people Danny we’re fighting at the time plus I bet if daredevil were there he probably would be telling him the exact same thing, don’t get me wrong Danny was speaking facts to because I know it would be hard believe someone being bullet proof and not bleeding but overall I can understand both sides

[@magallanesagustin4952]

Sure, because only white people are born economically privileged, right? Spoiler allert: no, that's not true. Luke is also wrong in trying to justify the bpy getting into a criminal organization by calling it "trying to feed their families". Like, feedinf their families by killing innocent people who feed their families with honest jobs?

[@arjunnarasimhan8027]

Colleen: "There's a mystical place called Kun Lun" Danny: "I can answer myself" **Please, Please, say something different that actually makes sense to people and not some bs mystical words. ** Danny: "There's a mystical place called Kun Lun...I learned how to summon my chi" **sigh+1,000 facepalms. God damn you iron fist. We still don't know what that is** And Claire, stop trying to be relevant. Newsflash, you're not.

[@mayastico8946]

That didn't really happen.

[@telegraphicfilms9908]

Iron fist is the weakest of all the Netflix marvel shows

[@mirianilomashvili3533]

How do you know he literally defeats daredevil easly

[@telegraphicfilms9908]

@@mirianilomashvili3533 not in terms of strength and power I’m saying it’s the weakest show It’s writing is pretty poor and the choreography for the fights was pretty awkward

[@tukos7370]

@@telegraphicfilms9908 they got backlash for not hiring an asian man/woman. so they pivoted and used it as an opportunity to project their cultural anger on the character.