And two weeks later, I just got this tube from local listing. The internal counter says it has 47k hours! And it still works and after some tweaks looks fantastic. What a CRT.
@lulkLogan Жыл бұрын
Note about that 2048x1536 "max resolution". That's just the max resolution Windows will give when you hook up the monitor, that it grabs from the monitors EDID. But the actual max resolution is way higher, if you go by the 130kHz horizontal frequency ceiling With CRU (Custom Resolution Utility), hitting that 130kHz limit will get you something around 2776x2082 @ 60hz. Of course the aperture grille won't fully resolve all those 2776 horizontal pixels, but the monitor will scan out that resolution. And it will look good. Though of course you will get more bang for you buck by picking a resolution within the aperture grille's dot pitch, like 1920x1440, and running a higher refresh rate. 2082p @ 60hz would only be really recommended for the occasional game that has a 60fps frame cap.
@CubanLegend561 Жыл бұрын
I have a DELL P1130, thanks for this tip! :)
@Wobble2007 Жыл бұрын
@@CubanLegend561 For me, either 1920x1440 @ 90hz for the ultimate image quality, or 1440x1080 @ 120hz for a nice balance of FPS and IQ, 120hz is great for FPS games, you can do 1280x960 @ 144hz too if you want even faster FPS, I also love how thick the scanlines can get @ 512x384 or 640x400 and even 640x480, the lower, the closer to 240p you get the thicker the scanlines, I highly recommend trying out games like Shovel Knight @ 512x384 or 640x400 depending on how low your monitor can go, there are monitors that are either 29, 30 or 31khz on the bottom end, this one is 30 and can do 512x384 @ 70hz for super thick scanlines and 640x400 @ 65hz for slightly less thick scanlines, either of which will look incredible is Shovel Knight, and also retro emulated games will look much better with native scanlines rather than software scanlines, even 31khz monitors that can only go do 640x480 @ 60hz will have nice scanlines at that resolution, though a fair bit less prominent.
@scofozo4 ай бұрын
the .24mm dot pitch most likely restricts it before the khz does, know what a .24mm dot pitch on a 21" display converts to in pixels?
@realdragonrude Жыл бұрын
Dude he got a dell
@gerooo9095 Жыл бұрын
this monitor is the dream for a pc gamer! beatiful
@Jamaniak Жыл бұрын
I recently rescued a Sony CPD-G500 i came across at a recycling centre and have been running it ever since. Absolutely brilliant monitor, its lost a bit of brightness and could do with a re-cap but i love it. Running modern games at 1920x1200 is awesome.
@DrKeez Жыл бұрын
Hidden service menu on these if I recall holding the menu button down while also powering on, then you will now see service menu entry option within the default menu. In there you can do RGB color Gain/Bias adjustments, Bright/Contrast bias, geometry, etc with much more freedom. From there you can finally tweak that flyback screen-pot to get that bottom gray scale to true black while compensating contrast in the menu. Pressing up-arrow while powering on brings up self-test.
@chopinhoven Жыл бұрын
thank you for this great information , its mean maybe its better to use service menu over the windas ? my monitor little bit dim i need more contrast
@oneMurilognt3 ай бұрын
Wow, thanks, will try it out.
@glyde5709 ай бұрын
Good Trinitron monitors at a reasonable price are extremely elusive nowadays. When I was searching for a PC CRT I just had to settle for a 21" Viewsonic P815 in my area for $100. The Viewsonic is great (awesome colors, goes to 175 hz at 800x600, handles high resolutions well) but I really wanna get my hands on a high end Trinitron.
@roveradventures8 ай бұрын
I have two apparently from when my dad worked on PCs and now I'm doing the same as a hobby. IBM P260 Dell 1626ht The P260 has something wrong at the moment (worked then hissing) Dell works great but will NOT work with the DP to VGA adaptor for some reason. Yet works fine on my XP machine. 1600x1200 is lovely on them but the more I learn the more I wanna actually fix them/restore them.
@nathanrussell2158 Жыл бұрын
I have the Dell Trinitron. Love that thing.
@robinmasters150 Жыл бұрын
Hello Steve, too bad we never hear about iiyama and Mitsubishi diamondtron monitors on your channel. These were very mainstream in Europe and considered as the top of the line.
@adamplechaty Жыл бұрын
this!
@groovesalad89 Жыл бұрын
Glad to watch one more of your videos on PC CRTs. P1130s are awesome. I'm using DELL P1130 + F520 + G520 as triple monitor setup via Nvidia Surround. HP P1130 is awesome too ;) Hope to see some more PC CRTs recapping and WinDAS content on your channel. All the best and take care!
@tvndno602311 ай бұрын
Dimontrons are better
@RayceARoni Жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing, Steve. Always appreciate exploring tubes, even if its a quick one.
@MightySquirrel724 Жыл бұрын
Nooooo, my secret is out 🤣 I have a couple of these, in gray. They're a little older than these, but the tube/picture is just as good
@ericchang35312 ай бұрын
agree I have one looks amazing with dreamcast vga in, also put a later model vhs/dvd player (DMR-ES46V) upscales to hdmi and then converted with rgb cable and its nice too!
@AdamRedmond88 Жыл бұрын
Hooray! I just picked one of these up from the neighborhood freecycle group. :)
@typeraver10 ай бұрын
I miss my P1130, ended up failing and selling it off cheap for some other enthusiast to repair. Now i have an IBM P202, also a sony trinitron screen, but that now has vertical issues (not stretching to the bottom of the screen). Im in two minds about opening it up and giving it a clean. When I got it, it was very dusty. So im hoping if i can blow away any residual dust off, and hope it possibly clears it....
@exturkconner Жыл бұрын
I believe the "B" coating is literally just B for black. And it's just a paint coating. The non b coating ones were bare metal and in theory could oxidize. The black coated ones had some protection against that. But I believe in practice the bare metal ones never did oxidize so the black coating ones never added anything to the equation.
@dingo535 Жыл бұрын
I use just a traditional dell crt computer monitor that I use for a variety of gaming, mostly retro but not exclusively. Top resolution is 1280x1024 but I think it looks quite good.
@reprobite Жыл бұрын
Am I the only one that loves the Dell housing?? I have this monitor but I have the Sun variant.
@NeonMako3 ай бұрын
I love it too. Feels like something you'd see displaying info in a 90s sci fi like DS9. Got a Dell M782P that has a near identical external shell and is in remarkably good shape, glad I have such a literal window into the past, even if not as high spec as these Trinitrons 😂
@WhatAboutZoidberg Жыл бұрын
It's hilarious, these used to be EVERYWHERE but now they're super uncommon. Wish I would've grabbed one years ago, but at least I found a 20in Diamondtron.
@2kBofFun6 ай бұрын
I do understand. Only in very specifc situations a beast like this is nice to have, like early high-FPS shooters. I am still really glad I replaced it with a HP2065 IPS 1600x1200 CCFL screen. Imagine you had to do all your computer work on this last 20 years. My brain and eyes are glad LCD exists. I see the benefit of a TV for retro consoles, but I do not see the benefit of a CRT monitor for computer use. Reading text on scanlines is a pain, not to talk about geometry and focus.
@StRoRo Жыл бұрын
My old work was full of these monitors.
@lulkLogan Жыл бұрын
Well, monitors that looked like this. But not this monitor Dell used the same style housing for both their Trinitron and their cheaper generic models. Unless your work was big into graphic design or video editing or something like that, it was probably a bunch of the generic Dells (like the e773c)
@StRoRo Жыл бұрын
@lulkLogan maybe, it was a government owned nonprofit company though. So lots of wasted money.
@Charlie-Cat. Жыл бұрын
I remember this Dell unit Steve. I think my cousin had it on her desk once. I'm not 100% sure it this happens to be the model, but I feel that it is bro. Nice choice as always. 8^) Anthony...
@PowerHaters Жыл бұрын
Wow crazy vertical and horizontal frequencies
@BloodiTearz Жыл бұрын
Its my daily monitor for mister, but i still prefer the Lacie electron "22 its hooked up with my other retro consoles.
@darkovidic6885 Жыл бұрын
Great job done here with crt machines, congrats guys. Until recently, I had a sony trinitron 21" cpd e530 and cpd g520. Although in principle a weaker model, the e530 had better image sharpness (even at 1920x1200 the sharpness was good) probably due to fewer operating hours. Manufactured in 2003 (g520) and 2004 (e530) . Recently sold it and now of course I'm sorry. Now I'm left with a nokia 447 pro 17" from 1999 as a solid consolation
@AlexandrTVOfficialChannel Жыл бұрын
Ive got a Phillips 107s which works pretty well
@jonsmidt8596 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the vid, Steve! I've got the HP p1130, which is uglier than the dell IMO! I'd love for you to do a deep-dive on WinDAS, I find it a little intimidating.
@AdamRedmond88 Жыл бұрын
+1 on WinDAS
@chopinhoven Жыл бұрын
+1 on windas
@10MBorLess Жыл бұрын
I already have 4 pvms but didn't know I needed a dell till now
@tommymiller9865 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for once again driving prices up
@chopinhoven Жыл бұрын
thank you so much for this information about this monitor , i wish you make a video about how to calibrate this monitor and make the contrast higher and better ,
@godashram Жыл бұрын
I have a pair of the HP variants. Haven't fired them up in years, but still are great screens.
@adamplechaty5 күн бұрын
Is it possible the internals, like the flyback, could be compatible with FW900?
@kersencranwill98205 ай бұрын
I just purchased one of these and I absolutely love it! However, there is a fairly deep scratch on the screen towards the middle that is very noticeable while gaming. Is there any Safe way of removing the scratch? It’s a 2003 model
@brandtzeigler Жыл бұрын
I got one for free but it's got some lines when on, some color issues and it was in a garage so the antiglare looks to be exhaust stained. Not sure how to go about fixing these issues but want to make sure I fix it.
@ManOfAttitudeLP1998 Жыл бұрын
I've had an HP P1130 basically the same in a HP Chasis
@_BELMONT_ Жыл бұрын
Another great video steve! Thanks for taking us along for the ride!
@ninehundredollarydoos Жыл бұрын
I've got a Sony G500 that I use for my Socket 7 MS-DOS gaming Rig and also my Slot 1 Win98 PC via the two sets of inputs. , it works pretty nice with earlier games like Police Quest 2 but also later games like Unreal. I've also got a G420 I found on the side of the road spare as a backup. Thankfully it seems like most PC monitors are overlooked so the prices aren't the worst especially if its on a classified listing but some Sony branded ones have silly prices on eBay.
@Wobble2007 Жыл бұрын
Have one of these, and it's a beautiful monitor, far better than any QD-OLED or WOLED monitor and will even outclass RGB-OLED monitors, I have the Sony E530 too, which uses the same tube and is identical baring the USB hub built into the G520 model, you have to see in person just how incredible modern and retro games look on her, @ 512x384 you get thick high-end BVM type scanlines, and at 1920x1440 90hz you get the most incredible image you will ever see, well that is until around 2027/2028 when 8K & 16K dual-stack RGB-OLED monitors hit the market.
@Tom152104h Жыл бұрын
Are there any Trinitron CRT PC monitors that do not need windas software to calebrate? Many years ago, I used to own a 21 inch viewsonic CRT monitor that had a trinitron like tube in it and could do very high resolutions like this dell. I regret getting rid of it before the whole CRT being rare thing!
@jonm8491 Жыл бұрын
Ya'll need to stop posting these, it's causing the market to skyrocket to stupidity lol Rant Aside, nice video and I love my P1130! Lots of Retro Gaming Involved over here!
@mariokart871511 ай бұрын
Just like resellers are driving the retro game prices up. They also need to stop posting too.
@delightedbylight9893 Жыл бұрын
I own 2 of those :) I am lucky i can still get as manny i want from my friend's warehouse :) I have the Japan version and Mexico one too, both perform well :) Too bad i messed with the focus and now i can't super fine tune them because i dnt have a gauge :) Nice video presentation, Well done ! Wish you well !
@jamesbutcher708 Жыл бұрын
Before HD was available at home for most I would hook up a Samsung digital OTA tuner to my dell CRT via vga. Thought I was bleeding edge.
@micksterminator3 Жыл бұрын
I grew up with a Dell E773c. I used to run emulators but didn't know about matching og resolutions to get scan lines. It's still sitting in my parents garage, I definitely wanna get it set up in the game room
@mariokart8715 Жыл бұрын
Please let them know about that.
@lulkLogan Жыл бұрын
@@mariokart8715 yeah for real, make sure they don't throw it away on accident e773c was most basic of basic monitors. But they still look great for games. Rich color, sharp. They're just kinda small and low-res. 1024x768 @ 85hz is kinda their sweet spot. Maybe 1152x864 @ 80hz. So modern PC games will look a little blurry and low-detail on them (but still good IMO) And of course they're still fantastic for 480p consoles like PS2 and Gamecube
@andrewtucr Жыл бұрын
Why didn't you adjust the screen bounds for 480p? The image isn't supposed to be underscanned at all. With PC crts, the geometry needs to be adjusted for each supported resolution. The hardware keeps track of multiple screen configurations.
@RetroTechUSA Жыл бұрын
Because I didn't want to.
@troybranch9720 Жыл бұрын
I have a Hitachi CM721F max is 1600x1200 @75 any resolution I change it to it always says 75hrz on the monitor. Not sure why I don't get a higher refresh.
@Electrotat9 ай бұрын
EIZO FLEXSCAN T67S same tube bro
@agfa1854 Жыл бұрын
Nice overview. I own both the P1130 and FW900 and calibrated them. Have you run WinDAS before? I use it on windows 10 just fine.
@jonsmidt8596 Жыл бұрын
Did you follow a guide for WinDAS?
@agfa1854 Жыл бұрын
no I got help from friends I met on a messaging platform that begins with D (youtube won't let me name it lol)@@jonsmidt8596
@phil_maticАй бұрын
with 2048 x 1536, what's the refresh rate?
@Kaelidoz Жыл бұрын
If you can find a modern Mitsubishi with a diamontron that sports the "superbright" modes, that'd be neat to show off as they're really f bright lol. I gifted one to a good friend right after playing Horizon zero dawn for 100h on it.
@Curt_Sampson Жыл бұрын
6:32 _"The native resolution is 1280 by 1024."_ What does "native resolution" mean on a CRT monitor?
@CozyCathodes Жыл бұрын
It was born there
@valurautakattila Жыл бұрын
Probably the max resolution that's under the resolution of the tube itself, which means every individual pixel looks clear instead of slightly blurry.
@UHF43 Жыл бұрын
In an LCD monitor, to display an image of a lower resolution than its native, upscaling is needed and that's what introduces blurriness. In a CRT, scanline separation becomes bigger because it needs to fill the same area with less lines.
@lulkLogan Жыл бұрын
he was just reading off an online spec sheet I'm guessing. CRTs don't have a "native" resolution though manufacturer's would provide a "recommended" resolution, though that doesn't really mean anything either. Especially when it's 1280x1024. That's not even a 4:3 resolution, it's 5:4. So if you actually wanted to run "1024p" on this monitor, it should actually be a 1366x1024 custom res.
@UHF43 Жыл бұрын
@@lulkLogan @lulkLogan 1280 is the max. horizontal lines that the monitor is capable of display. It may accept input signals with higher resolution, but that won't make for a better picture.
@JB____________ Жыл бұрын
Fantastic Video :)))))
@infamousacidrain Жыл бұрын
I have an m782 which looks a lot like that one but slightly less capable. 17” and I know it will do 1600x1200. Maybe higher.
@Luke4409 Жыл бұрын
I actualy have one of these. Picked it up for like $20 a few years ago from some guy on Craigslist. Image has a noticeable blue tint though and there isn't anything obviously wrong in the settings so that's a bummer.
@DrKeez Жыл бұрын
Blue drive is too high, tweak in service menu.
@Luke4409 Жыл бұрын
That's what I thought too, but I don't think these monitors has a true "service menu". I tried turning the blue like all the way down in the user menu that was shown in this video and that made it way bettter but was still a bit off. So I imagine I'd have to use WinDAS like was mentioned in this video.@@DrKeez
@battleprogrammerm5410 Жыл бұрын
The Dells look a lot better without the swivel base on the bottom
@juanme555 Жыл бұрын
would you consider doing a video properly showing off the best looking MODERN games on CRT's ???
@delightedbylight9893 Жыл бұрын
You can play annything you want on it ! I play Apex on it and mr Dell is fast as fuck when i pann my camera :)
@juanme555 Жыл бұрын
@@delightedbylight9893 Me too but it saddens me a bit to see so many GREAT crt monitors with strong specs being used for old basic games when they were meant to be used for the best games avialable. Personally, i think Resident Evil 7 is the best looking game on a CRT ever, this P1130 is an absolute monster, would love to se RE7 running at 1440i on it.
@delightedbylight9893 Жыл бұрын
@@juanme555 happy to hear that, all modern games work on Dell P1130 via Dp>Vga. The experience is epic. This beauty is amazing. What i am always thinking about is that all my friends tell me that CRT Ruins your eyes but i don't know what to think about that. If i play on 180hz NanoIps Lcd in 2-3 hours my eyes hurt. When i play on 1130 i can play for 10-12 hours and have no problem with eyes hurting. So i dn't know witch to trust, my own eyes or other people's opinion.
@mistamontiel00 Жыл бұрын
I've had that jotted in my hitlist. But is it really a 17" only? I can't no less than 19 and my Dreamcast sings on my rough (drops+regains focus most random times) 21" Hitachi from 1997
@reprobite Жыл бұрын
It’s 21 inch
@chopinhoven Жыл бұрын
i prefer this model p1130 over the fw900
@InfiniteClouds Жыл бұрын
Did you just say this CRT PC monitor has a native resolution?
@2kBofFun6 ай бұрын
The model number suggests it is 11 inch, but unfortunately it isn't.
@SamsungS-or1qf Жыл бұрын
Too bad you didn’t try 240p/120Hz 😊
@simpgang7859 Жыл бұрын
Most pc monitors do 480p minimum
@agfa1854 Жыл бұрын
240p at 120Hz is the same scan-rate as 480p at 60Hz so it does work. Bad for most games though since anything 60fps capped will have bad choppy motion at 120Hz on a CRT@@simpgang7859
@lulkLogan Жыл бұрын
That's ugly on a 21" PC CRT, for two reasons. 120hz gives a double image effect in motion for 60fps games, so you'd have to use BFI to counter that, which really cuts down on brightness. And these 21" CRTs are just too high resolution for 240p. You can already see sharp scanlines at 480p, so at 240p it's just ridiculous. The lines of color end up being thinner than the black lines in between. End result is straining for the eyes. So if you're going to play 240p games on a monitor like this, best to just run a really high multiple of 240p, like 1440p or 1680p, at 60hz, then add a more subtle scanline filter.
@SamsungS-or1qf Жыл бұрын
@lulkLogan don't agree, my Sony 20" looks amazing at 240p(Retroarch) . No lag no problems, only sightly dimmer. Maybe you tried on old tube, mine has only 4k hours, CPD-G520P. Played through most of the old cps1 arcade games with a friend, no complaints ☺️. You need to check Lame Gaming videos on this.
@lulkLogan Жыл бұрын
@@SamsungS-or1qf I have 2 21" monitors and 3 19", so I know from personal experience. These displays are made to run up to 2048x1536. You can't have a monitor that high res also look good at 240p. The electron beam size is just too small
@Kirby760111 ай бұрын
is trinitron owned by sony or dell?
@adamplechaty Жыл бұрын
Great video! Probably the ugliest CRT out there tho lol. Great specs nonetheless.
@DanielSilva-nr2cd Жыл бұрын
Oh great now the prices will skyrocket.
@2kBofFun6 ай бұрын
Just instruct your local thrift store to accept these again. They will start selling them again for a few bucks.
@Hyperion8562 ай бұрын
just saw this for free online and wasn't fast enough 😒
@xTHETRAINx Жыл бұрын
This is great news, I've been sitting on a warehouse full of these that I couldn't get rid of. Now, I can unload these to some suckers
@jpVari Жыл бұрын
Suckers?? Aren't we watching a video about it being a decent trinitron?
@xTHETRAINx Жыл бұрын
@@jpVari yeah but now I can price gouge people
@ImaFattyCat Жыл бұрын
@@xTHETRAINxlel
@davidbenning10 Жыл бұрын
Do you still have these Dell Trinitrons available?
@sebmeister67 Жыл бұрын
how dare you call my monitor ugly oh and actually its 131khz horizontal refresh rate cause i remember i tried all the resolutions and some went up to like 130.9khz
@Ocelot35 Жыл бұрын
At least it's not white (yellow). XD
@1977Bonifácio-man Жыл бұрын
Never seen one of these, ugly outside but, ITS A SONY
@tvndno602311 ай бұрын
Dimontrons are better
@TaoistDivine Жыл бұрын
This trinitrons ages very bad and after 10k hours or something like that they become not very usefull.
@lanfeustdaytona4483 Жыл бұрын
Using a CRT bellow 25" for retrogaming is a waist except for old school PC gaming on "high res" monitors. In the 90s, there were no such little screens sizes in arcade. Even tv at home were bigger than 21"😉 It is way better to play on a big screen than a tiny one, don't loose your time...
@Owlero Жыл бұрын
Huh? Im using a 14" PVM on my desk, and its the perfect size. I can still see those beautiful 240p scanlines, and a larger set simply wouldn't work for my setup. Plus, larger sets are much harder to ship, and are more prone to interference. Bigger isn't always better.
@crestofhonor2349 Жыл бұрын
That's not even true at all. Many people useb smaller than 25in tubes. In fact to watch this video I myself am on a 20in tube myself. Plus these are computer monitors, designed to be used at a desk and 20in computer CRTs already around 70lbs
@user-of6jv7rk7s Жыл бұрын
Not true at all. Grew up early 90s and I had a 19 inch in the game room and 13” tv in my bedroom
@jonsmidt8596 Жыл бұрын
I have a PVM2530 (25") and frequently find myself wishing it was smaller. You're smokin' crack, man.