The Delmar Divide - Segregation in St. Louis, Missouri

[@kathleengamble9100]

Very informative. Born and raised here, but heard about the Delmar Divide from one of my nieces that goes to Wash U.

[@edhcb9359]

Just visited our son at WashU and when he told us about this we thought we would check it out. It’s crazy how much things change literally across the street. I don’t know how they keep the segregation so starkly separate.

[@kathleengamble9100]

@@edhcb9359 There is a new organization, I haven't heard anything about it yet, but they call themselves Delmar Divine with the n in divine the color blue. They are in an abandoned hospital on the corner of Delmar and Belt. I guess they are trying to change the narrative. It seems like restaurants and offices will be there.

[@edhcb9359]

@@kathleengamble9100 It’s really interesting to me because our son is in medical school there and is considering staying in that community afterwards so we may retire out there. I really like the community around the hospital but coming from CA I couldn’t believe how each neighborhood doesn’t bleed into the other’s at all!

[@kathleengamble9100]

@@edhcb9359 You may be talking about Barnes Hospital area south of the Divide where the mansions, Forest Park and Wash U are located. I live north of the Divide where the abandoned hospital used to be has been remodeled, but there are plenty new houses built and historical homes remodeled in the last 20 years north of the Divide. I live in one of those. Good People, good community. No, sorry to say it is segregated, but various ethnicities are in every section of the city.

[@Itsabluevibe]

I am a dedicated public servant I am moving to St. Louis and I want to make a difference on these issues. Looking for opportunities in nonProfit

[@fredericbaue]

Great production. Thank you!

[@Powertuber1000]

The divide is a product of self-preservation.

[@WastedBananas]

different raves should stick to their own

[@stephensvoboda2162]

Race dynamics are certainly at play in Saint Louis. In my youth I attended Washington University. My first apartment was north of Delmar in University City. I wrote a whole bunch of text on Saint Louis race relations but then thought the better of it and deleted it before posting this. I hope things get better. In my experience people are people and there good ones and bad ones wherever you go. Education and hard work will set you free and my time at Washington University really helped me. I wish everyone had the same opportunities.

[@reginacarrithers4454]

It's the SAME everywhere. Those properties that are kept CLEAN, increase in value, regardless of "who" lives there. Residents that cannot afford "repairs" to their homes, still have NO EXCUSE letting and leaving trash lay all over their property and alleys and streets. Collectively, there's no excuse why these neighborhoods allow trash to build up, yet demand their property increase equally in value. It takes ZERO money to get out and CLEAN UP your home and neighborhood.

[@Marcymarmar616]

I think it’s so easy for people to say “just clean up your home” without really understanding where it all stems from. Broken homes is a start, then food/job/school deserts. I mean think about. If you have ever met or had a friend with major or chronic depression, cleaning is the least of your concern. To grow up in a house where you don’t have parents to teach you things because they’re out working to survive (if there even are parents who can work), and you grow up in a city that has a history of not caring about you - why would you care to clean? Right? Like if they don’t give a crap about me - why tf would I give a crap. People are just out here trying to survive and it’s EXHAUSTING.

[@tuckerc8375]

The line of Delmar isn't drawn on social or racial lines. It's a line between where crime is prosecuted and not prosecuted. No one wants a nice house in a neighborhood that they'll get robbed or murdered in.

[@edhcb9359]

Forcing appraisers to appraise homes for more money will not magically make those homes worth more money. It will raise their debt levels(availability of HELOC’s).

[@artmosley3337]

Homes in Black neighborhoods don’t sell.. they are stripped of copper pipes and wire in days after they are left vacant… if they are being rehabbed then they steal your tools too…

[@belindadavis468]

My grandfather owned property on the 3800 block of Delmar . They bought it out from my aunt in the 90s. This was interesting

[@bernl6313]

North side of St Louis, use to be much better than today,one of the main problems is that you have people buying out home owners and these homes sit empty for years. The north side is surrounded with abandoned homes, most of the homes are dilapidated, weeds, nearly 5ft tall, the city allows this, you can call your local officials, they’ll tell you something just so you don’t keep bothering them, are they respond. I was born here in the fifties, and this north side is even worse.It’s to the point that homeowners are depressed the way we have to look at the eyesore in our community surrounding our homes! We can’t understand how they allow people to buy these homes and abandon them and the city does nothing

[@doyleholloway1818]

i was born in north st.louis on benton street.. i left st.louis when i was 22 years old and im sooo happy that i did...

[@artmosley3337]

People just won’t admit or accept that Black neighborhoods are terrible because of the People who live there…

[@azcactus2008]

When you have a culture of fatherless homes, you have to expect a breakdown in the family which leads to gangs, drugs and all the other crap that comes along with it.Nobody wants to talk about that stuff.

[@johnkuthe1]

I lived at 608 Kingsbury apt 405 when I created the Cheep Effects with my Pioneer CTf-1000 Cassette deck in 1979.

[@johnkuthe1]

608 Kingsland, Apt 405.

[@OanhSchlesinger]

Businesses found in poor neighborhoods, liquor stores, check cashing, pawn shops, rent to own, payday loans, bail bonds, and convenience stores. Businesses found in white neighborhoods, grocery stores, car dealerships, family owned businesses, eateries & restaurants, coffee shops, manufacturing plants / factories, and banking institutions. Location is everything.

[@superhonky6290]

Because we are different species. Black as a collective cannot take care of anything. including each other

[@jamie49868]

The Divide wasn't always a divide. The North Side is the old side and was once the place to be. Take a walk or drive N. of Delmar. You can see the remnants of what used to be great neighborhoods. You can see it the churches, the schools, the closed factories, the houses themselves, and the parks. The "Meet Me in St Louie" song and movie about the 1904 World's Fair was written by a girl who lived on Kensington on the Hodimont trolley line, and it was a wealthy neighborhood. Sortsman's Park was close by, and a ton of industry. Now it's all crap...KZbin wont let me say why.

[@johnconway9882]

All of the businesses that you list in "Category B" neighborhoods once existed on the north side of St. Louis, and the inner ring northern suburbs.

[@jennmarie24Stl]

I live directly across from this new development I've been watching them from day 1..Been in the area for 20 yrs ive seen and experienced a change more diversity but I'm still not seeing interactions all the people working together. That's what is needed not only live and work amongst oneanother but to become friends and partners so we can truly learn and celebrate each other

[@reginacarrithers4454]

INCOME has NOTHING to do with laziness.

[@driverjamescopeland]

People naturally gravitate to commonality.

[@jonpark6650]

Maybe Jussie could do something with this or maybe this could be a PBS Documentary Plenty of victims, just need more drama

[@artmosley3337]

Its Whity that’s throwing trash on the streets,.. writing graffiti and stealing everything 😊

[@MitchDurfeeOfficial]

@21:20 that’s exactly what happens! The city takes possession and is not doing anything for the buildings….so hire some protection services to drive out the crime for blocks at a time…

[@CallMeOpia]

and why is the south side more diverse than the north side? latinos and asians are far more likely to live in the south side. this is no coincidence.

[@cortwill4085]

Segregation is very,very,very,very,very,very,VERY sad! I know because I am mixed (so I'm black⚫ and white⚪ ): my Mum is white and my Dad is black. And that means me, Cali S. Butler, and my sister, Nevaeh G. Butler, are mixed. P.S: I got hearassed in school, so Mum and Dad made me homeschool. And now that COVID -19 is around , I can't go back.🙍‍♀️ I had the best teachers! One was Miss. Dillon. She was a scientist.👩‍🔬😭 I was only 4 when I had to let go of her!😭 She passed away 2 years ago(I am 9 yrs old { it is April 26th, 2024}.[I was born in 2015]).🙍‍♀️ °~° ! ! Please type in " RIP, Miss. Dillon" if you get this message!!!! I loved her so much. 😭🤧😭😔 I'm going to cry! I'M CRYING! 😭 My cat, Sugercube {she's snowy white}, feels what I feel so she is crying, too!😿

[@dennydowling2169]

hey Tishaura, your father chose a bad place to build his home, she should have made a better choice. i doubt he would have been stopped from building his home several block south.

[@c.p379]

She’s a race baiter. Hardcore.

[@MitchDurfeeOfficial]

@24:10 you don’t need malls…shop online every mall in the country is going out of business…

[@1SK.]

Thanks

[@dennydowling2169]

Tough on the VICTIMS of crime: St Louis Democrat mayor blames convenience store owners for crimes that happen on their property and vows to hold them 'accountable' for lawbreaking. Good plan

[@artmosley3337]

Im from StL.. they are the same homes, built by the same companies .. and they are valued by the city tax assessors as less… when White people buy houses the locals get mad about raising property values and taxes zz

[@johnreitz5676]

I lived in St. Louis for 50 years. Almost 10 years of that in the Loop, right on the corner of Delmar and Leland. I will be nice and just call this piece of work bunk. I dont live in St Louis any more.

[@ssm1012]

I'm still here and I agree.

[@Shahrdad]

Even the CWE was going the way of North City, but it was revitalized with a lot of investment by Washington University and it's medical complex nearby.

[@artmosley3337]

Why is it We.. and not I should open a business, a vegetable food store, a local restaurant????

[@jamie49868]

Because the "I" knows he/she will be robbed blind. Much easier to say "we" when they really mean "they".

[@funniful]

I see an area where the residents don’t take care of their property. And I see an area where the residents do. I mean…. Stop breaking the windows, painting scribbles on fences, and throwing garbage into the yard. Maybe your property would be worth more. J S…

[@Joe_J0e]

Then you will be guilty of "gentrification". It's really a no win situation.

[@PerkpopperDotcom-qu3hk]

I have a bridge to sell you if you think rich people clean up after themselves

[@antonhamilton1761]

Sounds like typical prejudice talk

[@neonnoir9692]

​@@antonhamilton1761yes, reality tends to be typical

[@awjenning]

Yes. It's a matter of maintaining your property and your neighborhood.

[@MitchDurfeeOfficial]

@14:35 the reason the values are different is because the house next door is trashed vs a house next to a house that is renovated…it’s not a color thing…Home values are based off what sells nearby… you want to move that same home near the ocean or to California and your house will be worth more… 😂 🤡…that’s how real estate works…

[@dashlamb9318]

I doubt the credibility of any person that has not lived in St. Louis. And every city has "dividing lines."

[@adamwait1860]

Racial U-City is split by Olive not Delmar. Otherwise very good vid.

[@gungaspot]

I just wonder why tyranna!

[@charliehorse543]

2023.Missouri is one of the most racist states from St Louis, to Kansas City. Racism destroyed them of them American cities.

[@bettycold]

What’s its going to take to get the north side back on track, I have said we love the north neighborhood . I will love to come to beautiful city , but it not I don’t think the blacks want nice houses and home it’s not the government don’t work with the city to rebuild the neighborhoods and set regulations to protect the environment around the north side.🤔🤔🤔

[@notavailable1216]

Why is segregation wrong? Like fundamentally? People that are wanting to be around other people want to just be around those other people. Seems short sighted maybe, but wrong? I myself like a diverse place to emerse myself in, but I don't think you should force that on anyone. Why would people want to be around people who don't want to be around them? If the current infrastructure and government of an area doesn't seem fair, go somewhere else. Build the place you want to be in. It might be hard work, but if all people are created equal than surely it is possible to create a good place for yourself. Other people have accomplished this. The only way this isn't possible is if the people just aren't willing to work for that goal.

[@runtoth3abyss]

You're asking why segregation is wrong and then telling people to just go somewhere else. Ignoring the fact that segregation was used to deny people the ability to do exactly that. You are the perfect example of the dunning Kruger effect

[@notavailable1216]

@@runtoth3abyss well segregation is keeping people out, not keeping them in. It's the idea of isolating or separating, not including or mixing. So not sure how segregation keeps people from going somewhere where the segregationist are not around. Do you think segregationist are keeping people confined in like a prison? I'm pretty sure people are free to leave anywhere. Except a prison, of course. Not sure what that asking a question and stating the reason for the question has to do with overestimation of my cognitive abilities, seems the opposite rather. So not sure dunning Kruger was what you were looking for there. Maybe, ignorance would have been a better point to make, as I was seeking information that I was ignorant to. Also my question was not about the existence of segregation or what it is, it was about the morality of the act itself. The question was how it was wrong, as in wrong to do as a concept. Like what moral objections would a person have to it? Not what negativity results from segregation, but what fundamental tenet of social goodness it's breaking. It feels like it would be equally wrong to be able to decide who you are to be friends with. I mean if someone really wants to be our friend, do we have to be friends with them? Are we morally wrong if we exclude them? Do we morally have to let someone in our house simply because they want in?

[@notavailable1216]

@@runtoth3abyss Any further thoughts or you just giving up?

[@runtoth3abyss]

@@notavailable1216 Your point is stupid. There is no difference between segregation that excludes people and segregation that is just trying to include people of the same culture. They are two sides of the same coin

[@notavailable1216]

@@runtoth3abyss Doesn't seem to track with the definition.

[@juliefranco12]

U city and central west end are mainly college areas. I have lived all over the world and st Louis is the best. And having lived on Delmar and skinker for 10 years not as bad as you say. Sorry you gate such a good place and I am not even born here. I uave lived both north and south and nothing like these videos. These issues are in all cities

[@josephodell6529]

yawn

[@Alisa-b4u]

At Louis like pure Death 💀

[@cameroncolwell6032]

Wsg Mr Wright