The Delphi murders: Why won't police release more information?

[@lindawoods8326]

Theres something not right about tis case!!☘🐾

[@smashthebug4723]

What do you mean by that? I think I understand were your coming from. I feel the same way you do.

[@denamullen340]

smash thebug because it’s the family. Cody and mike and the dna can be explained away. They need more proof. Cody got Libby pregnant and that’s motive. Cody was down the hill already. They know this. I promise mark my words!! My case indiana I found that Libby’s gma has recently filed and finalized divorce from mike since new evidence was released.

[@johnsuave2290]

@@denamullen340 I just looked on my case no divorce in the making

[@MicheleMJJ]

Calling off the search that night was the first big mistake. It's been downhill since.

[@bibidee802]

@@denamullen340 Libby was pregnant?? How do you know?

[@mikehawk9902]

Actually, I think LE knows exactly who killed Abby and Libby. LE has stated that it was confident that the killer was from Delphi (or the area). If the identity of the killer was truly unknown, LE would have a heightened sense of urgency to solve the case, accompanied with warnings to parents and children in Delphi. We have NONE of this.

[@shaneconsidine2617]

I think that the killer HAD to have known the area Mike .... so they are winging the term "living in Delphi" . He just as easy could have lived , worked or passed through . Them woods are a maze so he was there before.

[@xulupopo9288]

Very well said. I honestly believe they are deliberately protecting someone

[@foskco87]

I think everyone can stop with the explaining of why they dont release info. We all get it. I dont think thats what people are having a hard time understanding. What people are concerned about is the harm vs benefit of holding back valuable details. In my opinion, holding back so much information this long into the investigation is now becoming harmful to their chances of finding a lead. It has been 4 years, and it is time for them to release more information now. It makes sense to withhold details early on. It makes sense to withhold details if they are confident in a suspect as it helps greatly with interrogation. However, after 4 years with, lets be honest, nothing to show, they need to try to give us more clues, being as it's probably going to require someone from the public to help solve this. I believe police still have no idea who it was, and so they need all the help they can get at this point. It is going to require those weird, unique, unfortunate details for something to click in someone's memory. Details like if/how the girls fought back... could lead someone to recall seeing scratch marks on someone for example. We need to try everything. There is no point in having an arsenal of interrogation tricks if you have no idea who to interrogate. At the very least they need to clarify some of the many questionable things they have brought forth, as it is starting to look like they dont really know what they are doing. The whole two completely different sketches.... tell us WHY. WHY do they look so different. Why should we suddenly dismiss the original sketch, which for the record looks way more like the guy in the video, over the new sketch? Why are they so confident he looks like that all of a sudden? Also with the abandoned vehicle... they are asking for the public to help identify the driver? Can they not easily do that themselves? Why arent they explaining why they haven't just looked up the VIN or plate#, traced it to the previous owner, and then followed the trail to see how it got into the hands of whoever abandoned it. They haven't said whether or not there is more footage or audio recorded on the girl's cell phone and whether it contains any other video of the guy or his voice. Also, do they have any physical evidence from the suspect? Any DNA from the crime scene?

[@bbe3034]

I’ve been researching this case. I think it could have been Gabriel “Gabe” Ellis. Of course, just a possibility. If you google him, he looks like the guy on the bridge. He was arrested 3 days after the girls went missing. He was in a car with a 16 year old girl/runaway, had meth and a gun, which was illegal because he was a felon. He went to prison after the arrest. Surely they checked his DNA but I can’t find that information. Such a sad case.

[@samanthaspringman5527]

Why would they hold the vehicle information for 2 years ??!! Why hold the second sketch for 2 years ??!!

[@dustyjarvis464]

samantha springman coverup

[@kalosaeteurn3050]

@Aussie Battler Not everything is a conspiracy.

[@1989Ezal]

@@dustyjarvis464 You suck.

[@maracuja320]

The first sketch came from a witness testamony and only the second sketch comes from the video seemingly. Maybe they have now access to newer information and thus were just now able to re-construct the face. Still, the thing with the car doesn't make sense at all...the entire thing is strange.

[@7thangelad586]

The camera should have panned the crowd so we could see the reactions. Or the camera could have recorded the crowd over the speaker’s shoulder. I’m curious who had a visceral reaction to his words.

[@Trumpwins-i2g]

I'm sure they were too.

[@TheHikercrone]

They may well have been recording the crowd but haven't released this to the public. If so, maybe they will after he's caught.

[@magiclion]

Why would he have bothered to attend ?

[@MissX905]

@@magiclion Maybe it's part of his job to be there at the news conferences, or he's a family member or friend of the family? I agree that comment really is some kind of clue they have on BG as most murderers do not attend LE pressers/conferences about the case they usually watch it on TV (any news on the crime they've committed). What's with "The Shack" reference too? JMO

[@RM-hx8ej]

They may have had cameras pointed and watching reactions. We just don't know about it.

[@archimusprime2400]

This is ridiculous. They can keep some things close to the chest and maintain their ability root out false confessions and absurd tips. They don't need to withhold everything. They are basically doing their best to ensure the public can't help them solve the case and by now, we know they can't do it. More incompetent cops. Weird.

[@Ihate-bd1fu]

U waited TWO YEARS to tell us about the car!!! That was VITAL information to the case. Wft is going on with this case

[@JustTheFacts317]

It makes no sense. I wish I knew wtf is going on ... they won't tell anything ...

[@leeanne4638]

And 3, to include "Guys"

[@CarmenxSullivan]

@@leeanne4638 I had a feeling that wasnt in the original clips, wtf is going on here?

[@katieloydd]

I think it was someone that saw the girls getting dropped off. Probably followed them for awhile, that's y one of the girls pulled out her phone. Hope whoever did this gets caught

[@loralieisa]

The girls had a discussion about the creepy guy that was following them. In other videos of him you see that he has a small baseball bat in his pants which accounts for his gait. He also had a bag strapped to his waist and appeared to be wearing layers of clothing despite the weather not being particularly cold.

[@minecraftbuilder3110]

@Marissa Lopes baseball BAT

[@yloshaw]

The guy is probably watching these videos and getting all the info so he can prepare his next move.

[@shesomadeline]

Yvette Loshaw right? That's what i was thinking!

[@puffalump76]

True..i think its good the cops dont show everything ....

[@chakdeuk]

Or he could have comitted suicide or died. Its been 2 years. A lot can happen

[@jackiewagner6446]

Watch Tobes eyes, and WHEN he looks in certain directions.

[@katieejeann2139]

I can’t even believe that after all this time they still haven’t caught this guy. These poor girls need justice. This is the creepiest case ever. So scary and sad. Praying for their families. 🕊🔆💓

[@leeorr9071]

Richard Allen o

[@FrankThe77Tank]

No reason at all to release “Down the hill” & hold “Guys” for years. They have so much more audio, video, etc.. Not to mention us all seeing an older guy then suddenly given a young guy without explanation! 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@FrankThe77Tank]

@@guitarista67 They’ve said they have it, just don’t want to release it..

[@moonki5503]

The voice on video of Bridge Guy, does not sound like an 18 year old. He sounds commanding. Physical Education teacher, military and or police officer.

[@FrankThe77Tank]

@@moonki5503 Sounds like a 45 year old & the first sketch is what I see when I look at BG..

[@Tarotcooks]

They know who it is, that's why they giving a younger guy 😳 Hes 34/50. He feels smug and pleased. Married. Uniform.

[@moda78z]

I am glad you haven’t abandoned this KZbin channel entirely

[@savannahsputnik1663]

They know who did it.

[@catmagic2226]

'About power' 'want to know what we know' Someone in law enforcement.

[@catmagic2226]

@@guitarista67 Plenty of bad cops out there ya know. What about that airforce colonel pilot who liked to film himself in the underwear of his victims...Russell something. A uniform doesn't make the man.

[@Diggs4ever]

Well HLN panel they do need to release a bit more information. this is now a cold case.. Obviously there method has not worked,

[@NB-ky5ol]

That press conference made my hair stand on end. I can’t wait until they catch him. I am so ready for this to be over. I pray they are close. Some one out there knows who he is and I pray they come forward.

[@shericassidy6056]

This case has haunted me..How could noone know that guy?? Hes either a loner or has no family .I hope they find him and give him his just due

[@christinerose4839]

Sounds like the Ramsey police

[@heatherwatson3439]

There's a cover up going on, feels like they're covering for one of there own.

[@loralieisa]

No, the murder of two young children without reason would be too much of a coverup. These men have children themselves.

[@moonki5503]

Yesssss.

[@IncognitoSociety]

Today is the day!

[@ceebee4578]

❤️❤️❤️

[@amandanegrete1306]

Tales Of The Blue Eyed Indian I think that every single day. Whenever I get a minute, I google “arrest in Delphi murder?” I pray today is the day, but after two years, I think we are getting farther and farther away from justice.

[@daisythomas2160]

It always seems to be tomorrow sadly. I've been following since this atrocious crime happened and can't wait until they nail the bastard!

[@IncognitoSociety]

@@daisythomas2160 Me too. Been following since they went missing. Can't wait for him to be put where he belongs!

[@MiKeMiDNiTe-77]

The killer is probably an ex cop or someone important to the police plus why release a sketch later that looks nothing like the suspect ..something's wrong here.

[@multimillionaire3886]

Because it was a cop

[@psychictruth5037]

💯👏👏👏

[@bhillis99]

Wrong

[@40vtr]

Carter in my opinion

[@billblaken2699]

BG has friends getting online trying blame cops and grandfather.

[@loralieisa]

The Sheriff looked like the first drawing that was released, as did many other men in the area. Now with no explanation another drawing is released which is supposed to be the same killer. I don't live in the area but just by poking around here I have found several men that look like the new and improved sketch. I hope they find the real killer sometime soon.. Whoever did this killing is a dangerous psycho who needs to be locked up.

[@cuckertarlson5310]

Going on the internet and comparing sketches to people never will or has solved a crime. The sketches aren't for you they're for people that were actually around the area of the crime scene. They're expecting someone to be like so and so was supposed to work that day and he lives around the trails and looks kinda like one of those sketches. They don't want someone just saying this guy lives close by and sort of looks like the sketch. People look alike. Everyone has doppelgangers.

[@YlvaBjarnson]

All they need to do is put the DNA on Ancestry. Come and it will lead right to him.

[@kalosaeteurn3050]

That is assuming that the killers family member(s) have submitted their DNA to Ancestry.

[@ladyhawk5653]

Worth a try

[@stefkadank-derpjr1453]

I have a feeling they don't have DNA from the Killer. They would have put it online and there would be some hit whether it be a second cousin once removed, they would have been working their way down somebody's family tree. Then doing some sneaky cup trash draw cigarette removal to check DNA.

[@rainbowgirl678]

@@kalosaeteurn3050 That and if the relative uploaded their results to GEDmatch.com. The results do not get automatically uploaded onto the site when the person sends their sample off for testing.

[@OpenSecretsMomAnon]

#TodayIsTheDay

[@cierahowell8653]

They know who it is they are just working to lockdown an airtight case I'm sure. They want him in a corner backed in tight.

[@katieloydd]

I agree

[@devinwatson4594]

Yes. Theyre just waiting for the killer to die of old age to take him down!

[@legalfictionnaturalfact3969]

BECAUSE POLICE DID IT.

[@pommiebears]

Offer up voluntary DNA testing. Those that don’t come forward, or leave the area.....look at them very closely. From what I understand, Delphi is not a very big place. So....call their bluff. Those with nothing to hide won’t mind coming forward.

[@MandaFandaa]

I really agree with this. I think process of elimination is a VERY good direction.

[@janedoor4870]

Pommie bears No, not a good idea. It's a very good suggestion and I get your thinking, however, that could cause problems. It could also waste a lot of time and man power looking closely at a lot of innocent people. I have never committed a crime ever, but I wouldn't give up my DNA voluntarily.

[@pommiebears]

Jane Door fine.....they aren’t looking for women. My point is that it’s been done before to solve a case, it can be done again to call the persons bluff. It will force them to make a move.

[@shesomadeline]

Pommie bears has this Voluntary DNA testing ever took place anywhere? Is it an actual thing? Going after people who dont put up the dna, would it be a privacy violation?

[@pommiebears]

Sheso Madeline it’s in the word VOLUNTARY! Yes, it has been done in England before.

[@lisas8244]

They did not say how they obtained the new sketch of the suspect. Is it possible they have submitted DNA to one of the ancestry related websites and actually have an idea what he looks like based on his familial DNA? In that case, they would know what family he is related to even if they haven't narrowed it down to one brother, cousin etc.

[@hunteryoho1666]

They have had this "new" sketch for years. They just recently decided to release it.

[@amandanegrete1306]

The “new strategy” is releasing a sketch that was developed using DNA. LE cites the sketch is circa 2017. LE is not compelled to give full disclosure to the public. They can say “2017”, but the sketch is new in my opinion. An effort to release something/anything after two years because they have no new leads. They have NO leads. If they “knew” who the killer was they would find some probable cause to obtain DNA. They can ask ANYONE to submit DNA, problem is they don’t have a suspect that they want DNA from. Cold case tragically.

[@amandanegrete1306]

William Loudermilk sorry I don’t pay attention to “people” like you. Small health issue left me stuck at home for several days. Fell into the rabbit hole of KZbin and had several discussions with normal people regarding this tragedy. Dozens of “theories” opinions and thoughts with the common concern of a child killer evading detection. Adults that don’t know each other can respectfully disagree. Kind of cool, but I’m glad I can return to “real life”. Like anywhere there’s always the dildo. Congratulations on being THAT guy. I’m not the one. Kind of interesting that people like you exist. You’re angry with someone in your life or disgruntled about your personal shortcomings. Your seeking to release your hostility, but attempting in a thread discussing something tragic only shows your ass. Keep looking tough guy, move along and find an appropriate forum to engage a fellow angry little man. Attempt to elicit conflict here is in poor taste. I’m not a “KZbinr”, and won’t see any reply. Waste your time if you wish but nobody is going to see your “witty comeback”. I feel kind of sorry for you, hope whatever is wrong in your life improves.

[@amandanegrete1306]

William Loudermilk ok, I have to...I HAVE to correct your ridiculous “statement”. Well, no shit Sherlock someone can refuse to give a DNA sample. Don’t you think that would thrown up a HUGE red flag? Someone refuses to submit DNA, don’t you think that would cause LE to further investigate that individual? Since it’s 100% legal in the state of Indiana to obtain DNA from discarded trash, don’t you think they may utilize that? If a suspect refuses to submit DNA, certainly LE is going to find a way to obtain it. Probable cause for a warrant or seize his trash from the curb? Why are their people like yourself that just speak directly from your ass. I guess you’re proud of your ignorance, you feel compelled to share your stupidity on a video DISCUSSING various means of obtaining DNA. It’s scary how incredibly ignorant some people are. Utilize the computer your mom bought you to do a simple google search regarding thousands of cases that have been solved by LE utilizing DNA from a discarded cup or cigarette but.

[@superjaded1738]

Both sketches were developed through witnesses from my understanding of this case

[@amandanegrete1306]

@@superjaded1738 I believe you’re right. A year ago I believed that their was DNA of the killers left behind. After hearing Anna Williams interview with Grato last month, I think you’re 100% correct.

[@kimpelders4996]

Forensics can make a profile through dna right? That could speed things up..

[@peck404]

Aaron? From Methodist church

[@emilyingridlaura3419]

From Delphi? Did you tell the tip line or email the tip line?

[@codyshepard5288]

I hope they aren’t bluffing and have more info and are closer to solving this case, people want answers, I often wonder if this killer is somehow linked to LE or Political families and the cops don’t want to jump the gun...or possibly related to the girls in some way, it’s awful to think this monster could do this again!

[@lisagoodin2959]

When the police hold tightly to almost all of the information, they usually do not catch the perpetrator (historically speaking), DNA, however, might.

[@shesomadeline]

Lisa Goodin 😱😱😱💔💔💔💔 i hope this is not the case. DNA PLEASE COME THRU!!!! 😫😫😫😫💔

[@juliepreimesberger6571]

Lisa Goodin So true! Look at the Jayme Closs case. The cops passed one car after the 911 call and on the short trip to the victim's house. It was Jayme in the trunk of that car!! They knew the color and make of that car, but never released the info. It doesn't sound like they even looked for that car! They held everything from the public! If she wouldn't have broke free, who knows what would have happened!?

[@janebeatty9472]

Lisa Goodin Not so. When they hold information tightly, it means when the arrest goes down, they don’t want any mistakes that could get him off in a trial. Right now, this POS is out there waiting for another chance to kidnap and/or kill someone.

[@lisagoodin2959]

@@janebeatty9472 that was kind of the point

[@JesusismyGod777]

Like the woman in green says, when I heard "Guys...down the hill," I felt like he is used to addressing youth and gathering them up for maybe sports or in other community activities. In a tone like, "Guys?..! Like, ya know what kids..??" This guy is trusted with kids, I feel.

[@shesomadeline]

Kristina Perez Yes! He said it so casually but with authority! He definitely had a job in leadership of some sort working with kids or something ☹️😞

[@janebeatty9472]

Kristina Perez I thought the same thing. He could be a Dad or Step-Dad. He also could have worked with kids which makes this POS all the more frightening.

[@pyresflood]

The audio was edited..

[@JesusismyGod777]

Edited or not, he has a tone to where he's either just plain brazen and armed and that's all, which he probably was, but he ALSO has a confidence in his tone of "Come on kids, let's go, you have no options, you're going to do what I say." And he might know that together or separate, kids still trust authority and I feel like he used that. Switch his words to, "Guys.. back to class," even with editing his tone is of authority that he's pretty sure they'll go along. How many people have this same way of giving kids orders or conveying that they're gonna do what was directed. LE even said TO him at the briefing, "We know this is all about control for you."

[@MissX905]

Authoritative figure?

[@chakdeuk]

Someone from the comments secgion talked about an Aaron from Delphi Methodist Church. I have identified this dude as AARON ALBITZ. Yall please search up this individual. I think he bares striking resemblance to the newly unveiled sketch. He could be a demon hidden in God's House...

[@danilburlay5760]

chakdeuk searching him up and found him, he seems a bit underweight and skinny and comparing to the guy in the video it seems like that isn’t hin

[@theresashaffie6789]

A

[@alienabuser3693]

Its someone the police know....

[@Paa375]

How long does the families have to wait for one more piece. It’s been 4 years. Is it going to take 10 or 15 years.

[@velvetraptor8540]

The Delphi press conference and all that "we know this is about power for you", etc., etc. is all just a scare tactic. But remember the DA speech in Boulder? "Soon there will be no one left but you". Uh, yeah, that worked great, didn't it?

[@janebeatty9472]

velvet raptor Boulder Police did a horrible job from the begging. We’ve come a long way in forensics since Jon Bonet was horribly taken.

[@velvetraptor8540]

@@janebeatty9472 Yes, forensics HAVE come a wonderfully long way but it can still get screwed up in a minute if LE and other people contaminate the scene. They have to have the where with all to rope off the crime scene as soon as they realize it IS a crime scene. I'll bet my bottom dollar they didn't do that here and it has caused untold misery.

[@brianbishop7555]

What if there suspect is a person of power and they can't touch him yet due to evidence and they need that one thing to lock him away

[@lockupraw8256]

obviously you don't know much cause it's been 4 years with no arrest made

[@MorrisonScotch]

I feel it in my gut the local police are covering up something...

[@shesomadeline]

Joey Morrison they need to because the monster will have his way if he knows what the police knows. It's best the monster not know much because he will end up paranoid & eventually crack, mess up & caught!

[@djb6496]

Sounds like your gut has shit for brains. Support your weak claim and explain.

[@pyresflood]

The welfare office did burn down...

[@MorrisonScotch]

@@djb6496 sounds like you are a bit upset. Maybe you are taking it personal or something? My claim is this, incompetence of this level is almost always done so by design when someone is covering something up. They have been very very selfish with information that could help to find this killer. So I'm wondering why are you so quick to jump up with this attitude. If local and country police have nothing to hide then they have nothing to fear. Your are awful defensive I find that strange

[@scottbailes5968]

@@MorrisonScotch I agree man I think it's a cover up too

[@paulmackyou9098]

It's 2022 and the most police work was put in by one of the victims. The police need to put aside their egos and release more info so everyone can be on the lookout for this guy. No one knows what to even look for an old guy, a young guy, multiple guys. They need to release more

[@ceebee4578]

The girls are not alive people.... He is a small town man he is speaking of them being in heaven with God!!

[@katyh9073]

Everyone knows the girls are not alive

[@ceebee4578]

@@katyh9073 well you would think so but a few down the comments are thinking because he said " they aren't the way you left then" they may be alive.

[@ceebee4578]

@Tom Upton I don't believe it's inappropriate at all. God is love!

[@pauldrake4295]

I guess the murderer is smarter than the pigs-again. 10 lb brains? LOL. you mean .!lb

[@cassandra6710]

I'm sure they have more on that recording too it's just probably to horrific to release ro the public

[@kalosaeteurn3050]

Yes but these vital details are now only known by the police, so if anyone ever speaks about this case in details they likely lead you to the killer

[@agostonbazmajer1100]

How could a recording be too horrific, we have so much shit out in the public already that it wouldn't make that much of a difference anyway.

[@chelseadavis7385]

Would you honestly want to even see it ? One of the searchers that found them said that one of the girls head was within a inch of being cut off ... that it seemed very personal

[@jayc7342]

@ Indiana police , instead of stopping people for no reason START SEARCHING !! DO YOUR JOB

[@dustyjarvis464]

I smell COVERUP 👽

[@citysue5463]

Could the perp be a cop?

[@evanmoore6170]

I'm not sure if it's true but I heard all police officers have there DNA taken when joining the force.

[@Adam-bq2vw]

Why would he be?

[@MissX905]

@@Adam-bq2vw Usually a cop is the last to be suspected of committing a crime. Look up killer cops on youtube as some do commit crimes and some have committed crimes, rape, etc while on duty :(.

[@ultrahyphen7538]

Might be a police officer 🌪️

[@MrAsingh1989]

The one thing I do not understand, why are the group of news anchors talking about situations that are possibly giving the murderer(who is probably watching this) ideas. These people are openly mentioning hypothetical situations about "accidentally leaving behind contaminated DNA evidence" of everyday disposable items that are contaminated with his saliva(Example: plastic fork, dirty napkin, empty paper coffee cup, cigarette butts or saliva that is spitted on a sidewalk). Now he might be extra careful about his activities and clues he might leave behind that can be collected by people who are watching him like a hawk. I wonder whether it came to the investigators' minds to make it mandatory for all the residents living in Delphie to submit a sample of their DNA. If they do apply the idea of mandatory DNA extraction. This may lead to a close family member of the culprit or the person responsible. I imagine the killer must have left some form of DNA, for example: -- seminal fluid Possible sexual assault, -- a strand of hair with root pulled put during a possible struggle, -- drops of blood from a minor cuts injury or wound caused by the weapon, --fragments of the skin of the killer found under the victim's nail during a struggle, --saliva or bite-mark impressions depending on the killer's fetish, -- handprints cause by excessive force while restraining/handling/strangulation. -- possible fingerprints on the phone And from what officials are suggesting, the suspect might be a local in the area. - [ ] Another possibility may be that Grandfather might be the killer. It is ridiculous to rule him out of the investigation based on an alibi he checked out. Who knows all this may be planned. This case might involve a family dispute or conflict related to money, inheritance. Another possibility is that the grandfather had an old grudge with one of the parents; so he decided to kill his granddaughter out of revenge. Or the girls maybe were an eye-witness to an illegal act that he may be doing during another time. So he decided to silence the girls forever to eliminate any kind of evidence. The composite sketch of the man in question and the brief voice clip bore a striking resemblance to the exhibits that were released to the public. "The checked-out alibi" may be a result of some form of extortion, death threats, blackmail, manipulation. Everything about the grandfather just screams bloody murder because of his overall body language, tense facial expressions, and the exhibits released to the public(short video and voice clip).

[@amandanegrete1306]

MP was at work with numerous coworkers at Caterpillar.

[@terpmaniac]

I watched the HLN special last night and it was awful. A bunch of silly fluff for two hours. Learned nothing what a waste.

[@JaneDoe-rj4jn]

I can’t get past how off they were on the original composite sketch when in the video the second sketch doesn’t appear at all like what we are seeing in the vid. Also why not release a few more bits from the video? The split second of the perp walking doesn’t show me enough in terms of body movement. What harm is showing more of the man walking which I am sure there still is.

[@traaaashmouse]

We already know one of the girls began recording on her phone because she felt unsafe, there's no way she would have stopped recording before she felt she was no longer in danger, which unfortunately never happened. My guess is that the whole murder was recorded, or at least some of it, and obviously they aren't going to release a video of a coward attacking two little girls to the public.

[@tele68]

But why not more of the video of him on the bridge?

[@traaaashmouse]

@@tele68 not sure. Maybe that's all the footage they got before he began the attack? There are a lot of reasons the police might withhold the full video from the public, but it's just my theory

[@johnscanlon2598]

Wouldn’t he have noticed her recording if it went on for long ? You would think he would force her to delete it or something

[@traaaashmouse]

​@@johnscanlon2598 I think the police are able to uncover even deleted content from phones though? Or maybe she locked her phone before he reached her, so he wouldn't have the password to delete it. I just hope they have something more that they haven't released yet so they can find that monster

[@heyokaempath5802]

Machete...interesting. We are all waiting for this guy or guys to get caught. I believe they will.

[@leeanne4638]

I think he's one of their own, and the 2nd picture was released to confuse people

[@beverleylumb8048]

Yes they have a lot more even on the phone they have not shown everything

[@judytramel5795]

They don't know who it is. Very bad

[@davidcoleman4558]

Is it possible that their was more then one perpetrator waiting on the other side of the bridge?

[@dongray3258]

This case is as easy to solve as going through all the suspects Facebook accounts,& whoever killed these little girls will be wearing that getup jacket pants and ugly hat. Barring the fact that they don't have Facebook in which case I strongly feel like whoever done this was an conductor or an engineer someone working for the railroad, because of the jacket it's standard issue for either law enforcement or the railroad. The man carries himself like a loner and very used to getting his way he is very assertive domineering,and he probably been part of that Community for years. Law enforcement should stake out the library, because believe it or not perverts with such demented disposition usually hang out there on the computer and especially if they have family at home this way they have the Privacy they need to practice their perverted trait,and not for nothing they can also stalk their prey at the same time..Anyway in the meanwhile police should go through old mugshots and start trying to figure out where that outfit was purchased, I mean how hard is it to check Walmart Kmart, and different Department stores in and around Delphi Indiana because like I said the pants are very unique complete with pockets in the legs not every store is going to carry them,& you never know you might just get film of The Creep walking out of the department store wearing the outfit ,and in the meanwhile law enforcement should even be looking through the DMV at different photos,because I'm sure this pervert probably used the same outfit on many different demented occasions. personally I feel like he knew these girls or he had been stalking them, so much in fact that I'm sure there is some kind of digital footprint somewhere and law enforcement just has to run it down..

[@formulah113]

By keeping all of the information secret how do they expect someone from a different law enforcement agency to notice the similarities? this stinks and smells of law enforcement covering for their own.

[@janedoe7229]

Very good point.

[@beverleylumb8048]

I think this crime was extremely violent and they are trying to protect the family from hearing and seeing what was ultimately their daughters last moments the parents don't need to see that it would be something they would never get out of their minds

[@TheCherylish1]

I had a dream about this I was walking with reporters over a walk way looking down at 2 story outdoor mall he was working in a place withtetra cotta tIle on the floor and a drain like resturant or janitors storage closet

[@LEELABIRD]

The description for the old sketch was given by a witness....does the new sketch look like him?

[@juliepreimesberger6571]

Yes, I believe the new sketch resembles either the witness or someone very close to the witness. First sketch was a lie!!

[@LEELABIRD]

@@juliepreimesberger6571 I think that too, are they trying to scare him? Hope he is found soon, I can't get those girls out of my mind.

[@amandanegrete1306]

False confessions? There are NO confessions. Makes it sound like an active case. Tragically it’s not. Good people want the killer brought to justice but as long as a person (s) remain silent it will never be solved. The killer WAS there obviously, left some DNA, but if there is no suspect to compare it to? Useless. I hope I’m wrong but with the killer long gone, it will NEVER be solved.

[@heyokaempath5802]

Some info is avail online bc someone leaked info...but it might compromise the case, so it needs to stay quiet. These little girls were brutalized, and that SOB needs to be caught so he can't do it again.

[@janebeatty9472]

THE PRODIGAL ESOTERIC A friend of mine knows the family. They were horribly tortured with Libby getting the worst of it. God rest their souls.

[@pyresflood]

@@janebeatty9472 who would want to hurt her like that? For what reason? Was she targeted?

[@pyresflood]

Have they looked into someone who was familiar with a property they rode horses on? And with trips with family?

[@pyresflood]

I've read some leaked info... and what non educated people have been speculating, and what facts are available... I believe this wasn't random/opportunity.. arm chair detective here... so with that being said.. one was targeted(almost decapitated), and the other had to go too, but expired some time after the incident...

[@heyokaempath5802]

@@janebeatty9472 Allegedly, a detective working the case was so overwrought that he talked to his wife abt the case. She apparently told someone else and word got 'round. Libby got the worst of it, they believe, trying to protect Abby. Heartsick over it.

[@MrAsingh1989]

The one thing I do not understand, why are the group of news anchors talking about situations that are possibly giving the murderer(who is probably watching this) ideas. These people are openly mentioning hypothetical situations about "accidentally leaving behind contaminated DNA evidence" of everyday disposable items that are contaminated with his saliva(Example: plastic fork, dirty napkin, empty paper coffee cup, cigarette butts or saliva that is spitted on a sidewalk). Now he might be extra careful about his activities and clues he might leave behind that can be collected by people who are watching him like a hawk. I wonder whether it came to the investigators' minds to make it mandatory for all the residents living in Delphie to submit a sample of their DNA. If they do apply the idea of mandatory DNA extraction. This may lead to a close family member of the culprit or the person responsible. I imagine the killer must have left some form of DNA, for example: -- seminal fluid Possible sexual assault, -- a strand of hair with root pulled put during a possible struggle, -- drops of blood from a minor cuts injury or wound caused by the weapon, --fragments of the skin of the killer found under the victim's nail during a struggle, --saliva or bite-mark impressions depending on the killer's fetish, -- handprints cause by excessive force while restraining/handling/strangulation. -- possible fingerprints on the phone And from what officials are suggesting, the suspect might be a local in the area. - [ ] Another possibility may be that Grandfather might be the killer. It is ridiculous to rule him out of the investigation based on an alibi he checked out. Who knows all this may be planned. This case might involve a family dispute or conflict related to money, inheritance. Another possibility is that the grandfather had an old grudge with one of the parents; so he decided to kill his granddaughter out of revenge. Or the girls maybe were an eye-witness to an illegal act that he may be doing during another time. So he decided to silence the girls forever to eliminate any kind of evidence. The composite sketch of the man in question and the brief voice clip bore a striking resemblance to the exhibits that were released to the public. "The checked-out alibi" may be a result of some form of extortion, death threats, blackmail, manipulation. Everything about the grandfather just screams bloody murder because of his overall body language, tense facial expressions, and the exhibits released to the public(short video and voice clip).

[@OGRH]

What are you confusing America with a dictatorship? You can’t demand everybody in town give DNA! Forcing DNA submissions is the most absurd thing I’ve ever heard of!

[@MrAsingh1989]

Then how will law enforcement find a better lead then? Yu are makingnit sound as if the government is gathering these people up and placing them in a comcentration/labour camp. Wouldn't it help the families come to closure and find judtice? What harm can come if the citizens of a particular area are required to submit a simple single cheek swab? And If people know they are right, why not help by being transparent. Would that not be fulling a responsibility toward their fellow citizens and the country? Only those individuals would be scared amdnhideb if they know they are guilty or have other skeletons in the closet. People/predetors will think twice before resorting any serious crime especially sadistic murder.. No matter were they hide they will be caught in the end. Dictatorship...

[@TheGrandOptimist95]

Hope the suspect sends in a letter that says "YOU WILL NEVER FIND ME" calling their bluff

[@normagrimstad8869]

If they think it’s a local person, and they have DNA from the crime scene, why not gather DNA from local men voluntarily. Women too. Then do familial DNA testing.

[@devinwatson4594]

Because they dont have dna

[@marksymbala3454]

Come on guys let's get with the program

[@nearlythenewswithvicki9289]

I’ve read multiple posts from different people now (not sure on how reliable) that say Libby was apparently the target, of who got the worst of it. Abby was warm when they found her so they think she may have been alive (barely) just 2 hours before they were found. Once again I don’t know if this is true. Apparently most of the town knows since volunteers found them. I won’t go into the details.

[@MandaFandaa]

Ms. Vicki I understand you not going into details but would you okay to mention where you found said information?

[@jerryjerrylahngenhairy4724]

@@MandaFandaa google delphi searcher screenshots

[@amandanegrete1306]

Jerry Jerry Lahngenhairy found NOTHING with that search???

[@nearlythenewswithvicki9289]

First I read it on Reddit - but they have since removed it. Heard it last night from “Ms Fvcking Wonderful”. This is apparently knowledge around the community. I’m hoping it wasn’t as terrible as described.

[@Sabbathissaturday]

Google David erskine screenshots. It’s still there.

[@nblurry]

I'm wondering if the girls were found in the creek or beside it, if in than DNA might not be a possibility. If there wasn't a sexual component to the murder DNA could be a moot point as well, especially if a firearm was used or gloves while using a knife. My point being the police might not have any DNA, which would explain the desperation that this press conference reeks of.

[@christinerose4839]

WHY have they not solved this by now and don’t forget the other two little girls that went missing and found murder.

[@margueritemajor7286]

I think they should check family alibis again....was there an accomplice waiting down the hill?

[@MandaFandaa]

It’s really easy to speculate and debate when you don’t have the information the police force does. There HAS to be a reason why they can’t or won’t release more than they are. Tough jobs. VERY tough jobs. Takes special people to work on this nightmare. I can only imagine.

[@antybrennion4357]

MandaFandaa

[@daisythomas2160]

I agree! I can't imagine what they have seen at the crime scene or heard from Libbys phone. Playing the audio or visual over and over countless times. Horrific.

[@TheCherylish1]

Yes. They have to be careful what chess piece to play so they can corner him

[@amy-danielle2001]

I believe its a cop..or someone in politics

[@Reece634]

Wierd speculation

[@scottadcock550]

why do you think that?

[@Sabbathissaturday]

H&M’s family- that would not surprise me at all. I’ve been wondering the same.

[@scottadcock550]

@@Sabbathissaturday why do you think that?

[@Reece634]

@@scottadcock550 hey Scot I bet you did it , then I'm gunna give absolutely no reason to why i think that. :( lol what is with these wierd speculations. It was a random guy preying on helpless people

[@powerface71]

When will they talk to the young man from Muncie named LOGAN????

[@nearlythenewswithvicki9289]

I read a post where a person says how they were killed and left. She says she knows one of the volunteers who found them during the search. Not sure if this is correct. I wish I hadn’t read it.

[@dawnscott1936]

How do I read the post? Just curious. Thx.

[@nearlythenewswithvicki9289]

I can’t remember which thread I read it under- but it was on reddit.

[@nearlythenewswithvicki9289]

Dawn Scott I found it and reddit deleted it. Reddit is being very cautious and watching all posts to make sure innocent people aren’t being accused and fake details aren’t being made. It’s still possible the post was correct , but since the police haven’t released it I guess Reddit took it down. It’s bad and he needs to be caught.

[@sugarbluedriftwood8643]

There have been many of these posts and anyone could post anything...all we officially know is it was a brutal murder.

[@problemdrinker]

Barring a bit of luck this case is going cold.

[@velvetraptor8540]

The long haired blonde has it all wrong. She says at 3:45 that if LE released a DESCRIPTION of the car parked near the site they will get 600,000 unimportant tips but if they give the most generic description possible (a vehicle) they will get less, and they had received 1600 tips vis a vis that scheme by the time this group was filmed. Uh... no way, lady. You're pretty and you have a brain but you got that all backwards. Plus now they will be getting 200,000 tips on white Toyotas from the people who didn't listen closely enough to what she said. Good going. The reason why this disaster hasn't been solved is that the small community of Delphi has a LE unit that wasn't and isn't capable of dealing with it.

[@momzillainnova]

I was here for the DC sniper shootings and when they released vehicle information it was insane. HOWEVER, thats ultimately also how they caught them.......

[@Kimberlytheresam]

@@momzillainnova they released info about a "white van" but that was all wrong and led everyone in the wrong direction. Therefore they got away longer. They shouldn't release vague information

[@katyh9073]

I believe the DNA they collected from the crime is what was used to make up this new sketch. That is why it is so different as far as facial features but the height, and weight are sticking

[@blairbushproject]

Katy H well they thought it was another guy who’s now an inmate for sex crimes. Maybe the DNA eliminated that as the POI.

[@evilqtip7098]

HLN I am sad to say as much respect i have for the police. You guys did a shitty poor job! Immediately you should bring out hound dogs to follow the trail leading to a local killer or a drifter to his vehicle and check where he went and cameras at gaz stations and depanneurs. So much info and arrest every suspect get a line up bring the person who got a closeup and gave a sketch of him.. look clearly are any of these guys we have as suspect the guy you saw on the bridge! DNA!!! For God sake DNA!!! is a great thing to have from the killer.. Now test everyone.. But sketches have gone from man in 30 mid to 40's .. to some african american or kinda latino sketch?? Totally different suspect? what is police doing? Gone from Go_t dirty kinda fat'ish stubby guy to young man sketch?

[@geordielassie1]

#todayistheday

[@stevel1630]

????

[@ITJustMeKG]

What does that hashtag mean

[@carolinerebornknight]

@@ITJustMeKG the police on this case say a prayer every morning and have this written in their office #todayistheday

[@ITJustMeKG]

@@carolinerebornknight okay thanks it got my hopes up though that the killer was caught 😐

[@JaneDoe-rj4jn]

Also no information provided if girls were just murdered or raped as well. I have not come across a case in which that type of information isn’t released. Also the fact the movie “ the shack” was mentioned seems intentional. I understand it was a movie shown in church.

[@tracy7275]

Thankfully all cases are not handled this way. What about a duty to prevent the next murder . I think at the 5 year mark they should release 90% and keep 10%. They are not going to get a case thrown out - anyone this small town puts on trial would be convicted for this crime .

[@evangelcassidy3988]

It looks to me that that guy never is going to be apprehended , after 2 years and so much hold up info about the case! Also my instinct tell me that probably was another person waiting down the hill, that give that guy, the ride out of Delphi! This is a lost case! Waiting for a scape goat! He seems to be quite protected! Why?

[@aprilgates1474]

To be honest, if the public was made aware of how they were left in death, it would shock them to the extent that anyone would be shamed and ashamed for holding back any and all info they might have that has prevented this case from being solved. In other words, the “what would the people think that are closest to you” would really hit home and that person who has info would go directly to LE. I truly believe that. But it’s too late now.

[@rabmc]

The guy could be 40lbs lighter or heavier by now and on the other side of the world, or dead. As bad as it sounds, he ain’t getting caught now, he would have been caught within the first 6 months, if you have video and audio and alleged dna and still nothing then I am afraid it’s done. The police wouldn’t wait 4yrs to suddenly pounce with their evidence.

[@gypsyspirit5749]

I hope the families can get some justice here for themselves and their girls. 👩💜👩🍀

[@JupiterMoon19]

The info they have is pretty good info. That murderer doesn’t have many days left. Best of luck to the police and fbi. Hope they whiplash that murderer when they arrest him. May he never see the light of day again. Grrr

[@pauldrake4295]

Genuis’ at work, lol.

[@Exodus-sb8so]

These guys fucked up. They trying to get him to show himself. He hasn't.

[@melodyott6221]

This should have been solved in 48 hours but police made mistakes and keeps making mistakes. Small town police needs more training.

[@candacevanata4230]

I agree that this piece of shit that did this is local . Think about this ....the way the river bends he knew that he had to take those girls beyond that bend so no one from the bridge could see him taking the girls we where he left them . Also , it's odd to me that he takes the girls " down the hill " onto where there is that private drive so how did he know that no one would come along that drive and spot him with the girls . He's local guys and he knows the timing of the coming and going of the people that live in that house that owns the private drive . He knows this land out there and somehow he knows people coming and goings . I also think that when he approached the girls he was acting like he was walking pass them and says " hey guys " turns towards them in a very threatening way and says " down the hill " . I think he had a knife and the girls saw this and this is why they stayed together . My heart just feels the family . I dont want to know what happened or imagine what happened . I just hope that this low life piece of shit is caught soon .

[@annmariethomas0000]

There are 3000 people that live there .. deduct anyone under 18 & over 40 and look at the men in between that resemble the sketch or called in tips ..out of 18k+ tips already this could rule out some of those local .. I dunno

[@kalosaeteurn3050]

You are assuming the age range between 18-40 is correct, what if the killer is actually 41 years old?

[@shaneticknor1866]

You have not interviewed this man plz you guys can not solve this case....

[@mrboohoohoohoohaha4696]

The thing that I get from this is he's local as were the girls an who walks into a rural area unless you haven't been there before especially walking on a bridge you'd have to have been there before,I wonder if he's seen them walking there before.

[@sophiachristie1661]

That guy fits the stereo typical description of someone who would commit a crime like that, unfortunately. Whether it was him or not

[@jeffgaspy8442]

I think the guy hates women and he was out looking for victims or just in the area and he took advantage.

[@michaeljohnson9818]

It’s a young male from a local Farm.... 18-25 5’8-5’10” weighing around 170-200 the multiple layers of clothes makes him appear heavier... He was on foot and this was his first murders... It’s sad the government is helping stay free... Covid masks and stay at home orders....

[@tylerm7300]

Yeah I was thinking no older than 30. Most likely early 20s. Maybe a transient dude who lives around delphi but not in it. This doesn't feel like a first time murder. I think we're looking at a serial killer.