WEB EXTRA: Former Delphi prosecutor on early days of investigation

[@mollybloom5816]

Why did Fox 59 redact the part when former DA Ives used the word “non-secular” to describe “three signatures” he said were left by the perpetrator?

[@mollybloom5816]

The defense should subpoena the original video.

[@wisdomsleuth77777]

Exactly broad daylight with people everywhere and nobody heard screams yet there were screams heard at 2:13 a.m. that were called in and they were told we were busy you'll have to call back later if you hear it again yet none of the Searchers heard it!? then you've got the phone pinging at 2:00 a.m. that's later found under the body. That is the witching hour 330 when it was all over! I hope you all do coverage on the peaceful protest on the miscarriage of justice that is going on with a person unconvicted being held in prison wearing a 50k volt shock vest controller held by 2 Odinist guards who admitted to it. Becky herself is the one that reported it to the detectives. EF admits to spitting on Abby seeing her on the bridge fails a polygraph test his sister who he told it to pass is the polygraph but yet it's a 5'4 85 lb dude by himself in broad daylight who parked far away had to bring all that stuff in there there is physically not enough time to do that. Young Bridge guy is the one responsible for the murders the bridge guy at the 2019 Presser was said to be no longer a person of interest! Can we please remember the facts and go back and hold this justice system accountable! Journalists it's time to be journalists!

[@gram5963]

I have been following this case from the beginning and it never gets less scary. The image of that THING walking towards Abby and Libby makes my blood run cold and I feel like I’m going to be sick. The fear they must have felt is unfathomable. I can’t stand the thought of them not finding who did this.

[@KMyer]

I agree. A few weeks ago I was alone and stalked in a park in broad daylight and I've never been so scared in my life. I feel so bad for these two girls.

[@gram5963]

@@KMyer I am so glad you’re okay!That is terrifying. A few months ago, I was going for a walk in broad daylight and there was a pickup truck with two men in it circling me. The truck stopped and the driver stuck his head out of the window. I turned and ran. About a half hour later, the exact truck and description of the men (down to the hat the driver was wearing) were on Facebook. It was said that they were trying to lure teenage girls into their truck. I haven’t been a teenager in almost 20 years but I’m super small so they may have thought that I was. Needless to say, it was a while before I took another walk...

[@KMyer]

@@gram5963 That is so scary. This guy was way younger than me and I'm still wondering what his intentions were. I was shaking so bad after I made it back to my car. Similar to you, someone reported a guy in another park peering through the trees at children playing. Not sure if it was the same person.

[@gram5963]

@@KMyer nowhere is safe. 😞

[@oneblondemom]

@@gram5963 @taireico reco ♡ you both are so blessed and thank God you're safe. I just cry inside every time I think of how frightened they must have been. I'm sure to some degree you 2 have a sense of that fear and i am so glad you're ok ♡

[@denizyilmaz5940]

When I first watched the documentary about the victims of Delphi, about 6.7 months ago, I felt a mistake in the explanations of the town sheriff, I am Turkish as a later learner of English, my profession is tourism by the way, I ran a small hotel for a while, so I had the opportunity to meet people from many countries. I found it, and I can understand a little bit of body language, I think sherif doug carter knows something or is protecting someone, it doesn't sound convincing to me, I can see that he misses his facial expressions while speaking, if there is a federal police reading this article, they should take doug carter under investigation, I ask you How come no one can see what I see, thank you in advance.I'm sorry my English is not good, I wrote it with help from google translate.

[@teresa8793]

Clearly with the truth of what most likely truly happened, now, I do believe Carroll County and ISP HAVE been covering for someone in their own ranks. I believe they're framing Richard Allen knowingly. Sickening doesn't begin to describe this!

[@kristennoelle9447]

Very well said 🙏💜

[@FaithRoss2817]

A lot of us are having the same feelings. There just isn't something right about this whole thing. I also believe that they are definitely hiding things and covering up for family and friends. But now they have their patsy and have tortured him until they got what they wanted so nobody will care about any of this now.

[@Alaska-Bush-Mom]

FACTS

[@AlpineArts]

What happened to the interviews of BH & PW? Why were they “deleted”? And you being a boomer not knowing how to record interviews without recording over others, ain’t gonna cut it!!

[@brockit79]

It did cut it - justice wasn't served, I'm gobsmacked families are happy with LE.

[@almVancouver]

Libby has been the best detective so far. RIP Abby and Libby.

[@merchernel123]

Right.

[@slaws2279]

Very true.

[@johndurrer7869]

Ugh, so disrespectful to those that busted their ass to catch them. And in the end the video didn’t even help because it wasn’t clear enough. It was the hard work of the detectives that ended up cracking the case. Stop being such a b…..

[@MidWestLife2022]

@@johndurrer7869 the case isn't cracked. If it was the investigation would be closed. Just because they have a suspect in custody doesnt mean crap tbh. Plenty of ppl are falsely accused. Plenty of cases have been botched including this one.

[@williamrae9954]

​@@johndurrer7869Case aint cracked yet...or they wouldn't be psychologically torturing a man in prison...everyone is innocent until proven guilty, absolutely no reason to go all medieval on someone? If there ever was a case for the UN to get involved in Human Rights abuses,it's here...Shawshank looks like a holiday camp compared to where RA is being held!

[@dcrelief]

"I knew they were missing the day before"... hmm? the LE went home but volunteers continued searching. this situation has no chance of 100% resolution. RA is not guilty, just convenient, imo.

[@paulelliott-r6l]

This case is where it is now, because of men like this, walking away, turning a blind eye, saying nothing

[@kimyoung2447]

Physical evidence: KG hairs pulled from root wrapped around AW pinky finger and clenched in her hand. Oh, wait, but not tested till trail when defence brought it up.

[@angusvanhalen2886]

Man, I don’t know what it is, I can’t explain it...but there is without doubt a level of high strangeness to this case. Not a cover up, but something is certainly off about all this. I’d give anything for this loser to get caught

[@sissia.5121]

Losers

[@theincorruptedeye8226]

You're being misled, that's what's up. It was an online dating situation, not a stranger waiting for prey.

[@theincorruptedeye8226]

@Olivia Gropp If that were so, you wouldn't need security on your computer. A few weeks ago my computer crashed, so I asked my computer savvy tech how hard it would be to hide your identity and leave no trail. He said not hard at all. I then asked how savvy the killer would have to have been to accomplish that. He said not very. I deleted some photos on my laptop, then a few months later tried to retrieve them. I couldn't. Libby reset her phone a few weeks before the murders, thereby deleting everything permanently.

[@theincorruptedeye8226]

@Olivia Gropp Why have security on your computer? My computer crashed a few weeks ago, so I asked my computer savvy tech, how hard it would be to prevent a trail from being left. He said, not hard. I then asked, how tech savvy the killer would have to have been in this case to avoid leaving a trail. He said, not very. Most websites such as Snap Chat do not keep records. Once an email has been deleted for more than 30 days it cannot be retrieved from the average laptop. Libby reset her phone a few weeks before the murder, all the info gone.

[@DollySantana]

@@theincorruptedeye8226 definitely not they’d be able to pinpoint every cell in that area at that time

[@cindylien2055]

I wish everyone out there spreading rumours on the case would watch this. Prayers to the families and will continue to pray they find the monster that killed these beautiful young souls.

[@karenandrews8695]

I agree 💯

[@Truth-reins-free]

Really? Why don't look at the real facts

[@Truth-reins-free]

Matter fact ..theyvare all corrupt..the prosecutor owned that house those girls in Flora died, the appraisal they received.."before the fire" was BECKY PATTY, The guy in charge of this unsolved crime?? Doug Carter...Carroll county has the highest rate of houses just bursting into flames for no reason what so ever...the highest rate in the NATION! ..The audio clip we hear the prosecutor own witness said it had been manipulated..the picture of her bridge, expert said it had photo shopped..never happened...that's why it's not on the phone,..I could keep going but I won't..

[@dlbodkins]

Get a life truth where you people come from I dunno. Besides Richard already has a man in prison so you give all that up🙄

[@desertgirl2371]

Good interview, Mr. Ives. I enjoyed it a lot

[@CuteTexasToads]

Makes sense if there are three meth heads out in the woods worshiping Odin and looking for blot sacrifices to make to Odin.

[@revelgirl1742]

I can’t believe he actually admitted they did not take Abby and Libby’s disappearance seriously! That is probably why they called off the search when it got dark… what if it was their children?! Shame on them.

[@neverforever4787]

Yeah I never understood why they called it off at dark either, apparently the belief when they were initially reported missing was that they were either lost in the woods or one of them was injured, (i.e. sprained ankle) with it being February they both could have easily succumbed to hypothermia, especially since they were dressed for the warmer weather earlier in the day. Just so many stupid decisions made in this investigation.

[@WVgrl59]

Yes.

[@gaylemaher8379]

Even if they hadn’t been murdered, they could have died from exposure. Those supposed LE bungled this case.

[@johndurrer7869]

He simply said what he thought was happening . He never said they didn’t try to look for them as if the worst case scenario happened. Pay attention so you don’t look like such a fool again

[@Letsberealish]

Robert retired because the cult was being ignored by law enforcement, imo. Now, the day after the Defense's shocking motion was released, Robert Ives was spotted on the Monon High Bridge. Thats the behavior of someone who is feeling relief. He needed the truth to be told.

[@amandanegrete1306]

I’m not being snarky but there is no way for anyone to access the Monan High Bridge anymore.

[@Letsberealish]

@@amandanegrete1306 Yes, there's a short platform that goes out over one end of the bridge. It's technically on the bridge.

[@amandanegrete1306]

@@Letsberealish that makes sense, thank you. NM was reportedly there the day after the Franks Motion was released?

[@kristysanders7760]

Yet he filed a motion so he didn't have to testify in court!?

[@Letsberealish]

@kristysanders7760 He didn't want to become a target of the cult. He saw what happened to FBI agent Ferenci.

[@robertives4410]

A comment to clarify some things that seem confusing. 1. The area near the bridge is not a "wilderness" area. There are roads very close by. 2. The bridge itself was NOT a part of the trail system. The trail terminates on the north end of the bridge. 3. The bridge does not cross only Deer Creek, it crosses the Deer Creek valley. The Bridge is about 900 feet (three football fields) long and about 70 feet high at the highest point. In addition, it had been closed to train traffic for many years. 4. The FBI was involved and served in a leadership role on the investigation from the very beginning. The resources brought to bear on the case by the FBI were incredible.

[@VTPSTTU]

In one of the news videos about the case, I seem to remember someone from the chamber or commerce or similar organization saying that prior to the murders, she sent trail maps to out of town visitors interested in the trails and the bridge at least a few times a week. She said that after the murders, those requests stopped because of the publicity of the case. Maybe I'm remembering something incorrectly, but my sense is that there was some tourist interest in the trails. I am aware that "rails to trails" has been a popular hiking style for decades. Many of these trails exist throughout the country. They are popular with many hikers because they often go through areas that are scenic but have more of a day-to-day beauty than the big canyons and mountains would have. Because railroads really can't run up or down extremely steep grades, these trails are more ideal for people whose physical abilities don't allow them to ascend or descend steep grades. Maybe these people don't have the pulmonary health to go uphill steeply. Maybe their knees can't endure a steep downhill. For these hikers a "rails to trails" hike is ideal. I say all of that because I'm skeptical of the claim that no one outside the local community would be familiar with this trail. I realize that the entire trail system doesn't appear to offer miles and miles of trails that would draw someone who wanted a challenge like through-hiking a major trail. However, people who become interested in doing rails to trails hiking might have a particular interest in walking this trail. Sometimes, hikers can be a bit like bird watchers in that they want to "collect" a large number of different trails that they've walked. To someone who isn't interested in bird watching, making a special trip to Alaska or northern Canada to see a gray-crowned rosy finch might make no sense at all. To an enthusiastic bird watcher, making that trip could be very exciting. Are you and others involved in the investigation certain that this bridge and these trails aren't fairly well known among the "rails to trails" hiking community? Are you certain that this trail wasn't showing up in online groups where people talked about walking these trails almost as collectors trying to experience the largest number of these trails? If this trail system was discussed in these groups, someone looking for victims might have been aware of the trails system. The qualities that make these trails popular with people who struggle to do more strenuous trails could make these trails more popular with teenagers who just want a fun walk. Maybe the killer was lurking in these discussion groups to learn of these trails and go there looking for victims. I'm not suggesting that someone came from thousands of miles to commit the crime, but maybe someone came from hundreds of miles. Someone visiting Purdue University may have been aware of the "rails to trails" information and made the relatively short drive from Purdue.

[@robertives4410]

@@VTPSTTU Your points are all good. I guess I would only say that these trails are not extremely heavily used and the tourist attractions in the Delphi area are not very famous in the national sense. Personally, I had never walked on the trails east of the city, and I had only a passing familiarity with the trails west of the city.

[@southerncharm217]

I’m in agreement with you, more information needs to be released. Maybe, just “maybe Ives” should!!

[@cuckertarlson5310]

@@VTPSTTU I think the killer was stalking a rails to trails social media page and was expecting that person instead of the girls. Look at the Missy Bevers killer same build same walk. This guy travels great distances for his kills. He didn't try to hide the bodies very well at all. That to me says he's not local. I think a local who had to wait out the storm would at least half ass try to hide the bodies.

[@ernestgrawcock5723]

@@cuckertarlson5310 play on words a Tucker Carlson...

[@patriciacroft9816]

'So much physical evidence at the crime scene,' circumstances of the crime scene... crime appears like a serial killer type of thing...This is the best interview out there imho.

[@tamara6212]

Agreed. He's honest and is educated with a ton of experience. This guy is trustworthy and put years being in this position, solving many crimes. Too bad he retired, they really needed him.

[@cherylb2008]

Wow! Clarification is so appreciated from hm. Great information and interview

[@juliajulia0000]

Mr. Ives. Great interview. Talk about what you know. Not what you think.

[@user-qw4vv2wi7r]

I may be overthinking but Mr Ives seems to be subtly encouraging a narrative for a lone serial killer who did this horrible crime which kind of makes me a little suspicious of his motives. The words " back alley " kind of jumped out at me whilst I revisit this interview and then I remember Superintendent Doug Carter spoke last week and also mentioned the words " back alley" in one of his interviews 🤔 justice soon for Abby and Libby 🌟🌟

[@reallycoolname6124]

If I hear there's so much physical evidence again I'm going to lose it

[@gaylemaher8379]

Too MANY people were ‘working’ on it. Someone missed something.

[@screech3382]

2:04 If you were a police officer in the 60s and arrived at this crime scene...these days we have cell data and DNA-- but just with the traditional evidence that's there, you would think this would be solved in 48 hours. I'm shocked it still isn't solved as we even have video and audio.... To hear the former prosecutor say that is and it has now been 5 and half years and nothing...blows my mind. PLEASE RELEASE SOMETHING MORE- This guys here, Ives, said on Dr Oz he thinks they should consider releasing something more to help the public help them.

[@dharmabeachbum6330]

The former Delphi prosecutor was very forthcoming in this video. But it scared me when he said that, at this point, he is almost hoping that another crime is solved and the perp admits to killng Abby and Libby. It sounds to me that hopes of solving the case are dwindling. I can't stand the thought of this b*****d getting away.

[@karenandrews8695]

While we do seek justice here. We will all stand before God and no one will get away with anything.

[@karenandrews8695]

Let me yank that big ole spoon of spiritual thought out of your mouth before you choke on it! I don't have the capacity to force anything on you. You don't believe it fine then please opine but please opine with truth. No one forced anything!

[@jaredwilliams2357]

You deleted your comment instead of just apologizing. Brave and stunning

[@davemckay4359]

This is right. Another isn't necessary though. There's enough evidence to point to one man-- Daniel Nations.

[@karenandrews8695]

@@davemckay4359 I don't think so. He had no vehicle and was homeless at the time.

[@eringardner539]

What is shockin is how Sherrif Tobe Lazenby met with her a couple days before she went missing

[@tamara6212]

About what?

[@Maccymac2712]

Stupid and dangerous comment. Why would you not give context to this?

[@frosinicapandispan5534]

How do you know? I know there's been rumours Libby trusted the wrong people with whatever information she had.

[@eringardner539]

Yes you knew! The entire community and police FBI State police covered up the killing and if we knew then..........the state of their bodies. we would have got them all.

[@maryanne1744]

This case just gets me, I just heard about this case 2 days ago, I’m from a small town in jersey and she had a similar place that kids would go walk and if you didn’t live there you wouldn’t know the trails are there, and one day in the fall it was me and two other girls walking and we looked back and there was a guy walking fast straight for us, and we just boooooked it bc there was a sorta main road not to far ahead, we never went back onto the trail that day and the guy never came out onto the road, I feel for these girls and the families, who ever did this is a sick person and needs to be caught, I know the law is doing what they can, God will bring this …person..to light rest easy sweet angels you will not be forgotten

[@cazpk6840]

Please be careful and get off social media 🙏

[@ChrisShafi]

I’m from a small town in Jersey too....maybe that guy was just taking a walk just like you...did you make this story up just for dramatic effect..lol.🤣🤣

[@tamara6212]

@@cazpk6840 Agreed. Watch what our kids are doing on social media.

[@teresa8793]

@@ChrisShafi dB ignorant comment.

[@ChrisShafi]

@@teresa8793 He could have just been walking fast or he was a fast walker...or they could have been in danger..just saying..I probably would have started running away too..I was just saying Teresa.

[@persefaniblix1431]

From Fall 2016 to Spring 2019, 8 people were murdered in 3 close counties. 4 girls in Flora all under 13 (2016 Carroll County indiana), Abby and Libby (2017 Carroll County indiana), Ray Hanish (2019 White County indiana), Nicole Bowen (2019 Newton County indiana). Only Nicole's murder has been settled. Her killer confessed to the murder of Ray Hanish. White County prosecutor Robert Guy has been dragging his feet about bringing charges against the killer, telling Ray's family terrible things to deter their quest for justice and closure. How is no one seeing a pattern here? Is this my Autistic pattern recognition making these connections easier to see..I think yes!

[@ItsWendy73]

Karena Mcclerkin missing sinds 2016 - Komkomo Indiana

[@allaris_the_one]

@@ItsWendy73 She was found dead, and the guy responsible was arrested. Surprisingly, LE had the guy in their sights from the start.

[@Exodus-sb8so]

Unbelievable manpower. They stopped searching bc it got dark no dogs no nothing....

[@Exodus-sb8so]

Did he not say I knew the day before they were found that they were MISSING. If you know there missing and not at gmas house not with boys not with friends but missing then you and your fella cops should be whipped in the fuckin street

[@brettmitchell8014]

Kind of makes me suspicious of Sherriff myself.

[@Exodus-sb8so]

@@brettmitchell8014 pay attention to it again he walks back atleast 40 percent of his answers and opinions.

[@silverstuff182]

I watched the HLN episodes last night. The only NEW info came from the sister who said that she and a couple other people actually did stay way after dark calling for them and searching. Of course the girls weren't found until the next day. But they tried.

[@Exodus-sb8so]

@@silverstuff182 The mother and father should not have been the ones finding her... I understand it, but cops wanna be in charge of everything right? Ok so I'm a dad my daughter is missing I go out to look for her and I see a man dragging a little body. I snap I kill him I call cops they come out I go to jail my daughter was saved and her killer in the ground. Cops take notes they get paid they go home... Say I call cops first, I tell said cops my daughter is missing they ask how long? I say 4 hours well now I gotta wait 20 more or if I pull the right cop he may send out an Amber alert. It takes them two hours atleast to get set up for a search, they look around they are not seeing anything someone says hey could they be somewhere else, well they use a drone? No dogs.. It gets dark and now the mother is extremely fucking worried bc she is afraid of the dark. Cops pack up they FUCKING LEAVE!!!! people in the city look. Volunteers, hunters, farmers.. They do what they can but it's now late and very cold and they have families this isn't there responsibility bc for how long now has anything like this doesn't get handled by them. Anybody and they momma could've been out there by the time they came back and when they found the girls.. A defence lawyer can argue that fact for any killer of the two girls.. I DONT WANNA SAY THIS SHIT..

[@mikethomas2191]

This sounds exactly, like almost verbatim the answers he gave in his interview with Mike Morford from criminology.

[@rickolinger9586]

This guy knows more THAN he is letting on ...he is worrisome and steps aside. stepping down when he did is definitely not a good sign ...and it will sadly one day come back to haunt him unto the fullest... I can only pray and ask that Almighty GOD to have mercy on his soul 🙏 🤲

[@grannydarby]

The voice doesn't even sound like Richard Allen's voice and doesn't drive a PT Cruiser

[@bbybap4729]

I’m here for the comments, because I always find them insightful.

[@strychnyne3530]

You can tell he wants to share more details of the crime but was told not too...

[@theresalee4844]

Why would you even post on here with a nick like that?

[@karrax2473]

Why wouldn't he all the police have been told not to realise information and maybe this guy wants to I'm sure hes not the only one. Hence the fact transcripts have been leaked to ms from an inside source . Don't know why you had to reply to this person in the way you did. They were only stating to obvs

[@ssQ2U]

I would love to hear what he thinks now

[@timmiller3523]

WHAT THE HECK IS GOING ON IN CARROLL COUNTY WHAT A SHAME

[@heatherj1127]

Corruption and incompetence. I hope I’m wrong but it sure looks that way from everything I’ve seen.

[@shroomgrizzley464]

The mayor did this look into this

[@Precosint]

@@heatherj1127has your opinion changed at all over the years?

[@heatherj1127]

@@Precosint ehhh… not really. I do believe they have the evidence for a conviction on Richard Allen but he should have been caught and in cuffs within days/weeks considering he put himself in the area of the crime scene. How does a lead like that just get misplaced?! I will admit, I haven’t kept up with the case much since his arrest (and I haven’t rewatched this video yet) but I’m not buying his sudden decline in mental and physical health. The Golden State Killer was suddenly a poor, frail old man after he was arrested when prior to his arrest, he was out living his life, very active and had no problem doing yard work and riding a motorcycle. I see similarities in the way RA has suddenly become ill. He didn’t seem to be having these problems before. He’s facing a death sentence so he may see it as his way of avoiding that. I hear there’s some conspiracy theories about the case like he’s being framed or something but I doubt it. Probably just a lot of incompetence and inexperience working such a major case. Like most small town USA court systems, corruption abounds but that doesn’t mean he isn’t guilty. I look forward to seeing what kind of case the prosecution is going to put forward. What do you think?

[@maxinewells7539]

I think the girls were catfished. The girls thought they were meeting a young stud vs the killer. This was no random act. The girls were out there near Valentines day. I think maybe Abby was meeting a guy there & Libby came with her. I'm thinking Libby took the video because they were meeting a guy. I think that's why the video was filmed when the guy was far away. The girls were waiting for someone there. The girls could have been left. I think Libby started filming because they expected a younger guy to show up & an older man showed up. This was a setup. No teenage girls are on a trail like that for nothing. Someone doesn't want this case to be solved. Everything should be on the girls cell phone on why they were out there.

[@AlpineArts]

💯 YES, say it louder for the people in the back! That’s exactly what i believe it was too 🎯

[@coudgeb]

I wonder what would make a lawyer walk away from possibly having the opportunity to prosecute one of the biggest high profile cases of our decade.

[@t-bone3202]

It could be him? Like McClellan said, “one day I will be sitting across the court room from you” hummmm. Ives has involvement with DG, court appearances…

[@silverstuff182]

Answer: Failure

[@brittabby]

Anyone else find his voice and articulation of words completely alluring? :)

[@t-bone3202]

Yes, and I find it interesting how the new prosecutor ,nick McClellan stated that “when this goes to trial I’ll be the sitting in front of you” with a look as if he knew who he was talking about, (like they should be on the same side) that stood out to me…

[@crazyfordaisies123]

Yesssss......!!!

[@karenandrews8695]

All that manpower and 0 results.

[@Kim-yy4zd]

Made me wonder if some were just clocking hours but not really interviewing or following up on leads that didn’t personally deem important ? Maybe cheating on the wife or taking a nap instead of trying to find the killer

[@KiwiKiwi902]

Multiple people involved

[@dmmchugh3714]

Amazing that the murderer did not think to confiscate the cell phones.

[@t-bone3202]

Maybe he/they did and planted another cell phone with misleading info?

[@t-bone3202]

That would have to be a family member

[@blueangel7748]

Whether the area has been described by some as a "wilderness" is irrelevant. The bridge WAS the danger. CSX was the property owner of the MHB and the bridge which was private property, should of been properly secured. That would include having no- trespassing signs posted. Imo, CSX was negligent and could be held liable. The area/trails CAN be a danger... especially for minors. We know this is a popular spot for meth/drug users. Also, how many sex offenders/predators live within the geographic area? No, I would not let two teenagers ages 14, and 13, go unsupervised on the trails... if one believes the narrative being presented in this case. Blue Angel

[@apepjones1028]

Amazing that nobody even thought one of the girls might have fallen off the bridge. Very strange isn't it? Expecially since the Abby Snapchat was already seen by Kelsi

[@silverstuff182]

apep jonesEven a dog could have fallen off that bridge. But the family providers let the girls go. Were they all toked up? Out cold on drugs? Terrible.

[@notapplicable761]

That was a very telling interview, I don’t get with so much physical evidence THE FBI can’t even find this SOB and not for lack of effort!

[@BoomerElite4u]

The FBI knows who did this. Literally all of the Earth is recorded by US satellites, but to admit this would not be politically acceptable for America at this time.

[@likethemorning]

My comment is: last summer there was a local tv station who ran a story on theft at a dental office. There was a great portion caught on video outside the business and inside. I knew instantly who it was. I reported the information. #1 the detective told me the person I reported did not have glasses on. Yes he did you could see the glint of light off the glasses. #2 I mentioned the gun. The detective told me there was no gun in the video. Oh yes there was. It is seen as he prepared to enter the business. #3 the detective told me the person in the video was not an older person. The person I KNOW it is, lives on 40 acres of hilly land and literally runs u and down the hills all day long and has for years working on the property. The reason I am mentioning this is because in my opinion there can be reasons due diligence is not done. 🤷

[@likethemorning]

Wright Dentures and Implants Independence, Missouri video aired by Fox 4 Kansas City

[@likethemorning]

@C R no he is not. My comment was to share my experience with law enforcement and to make the point 'someone knows *instantly* who BG is'. Not intended to suggest any involvement in the Delphi murders.

[@silverstuff182]

Sometimes LE is so haughty and full of themselves that they will ignore scores of solid evidence, because that's not what they want to hear. And they resent that you may know something they don't know.

[@charlesc.6555]

@@silverstuff182 Bingo!!!

[@merchernel123]

SPEAK 🙌🏾

[@almVancouver]

No random act. Cause he was hunting and spun his web. It wasn't the girls in particular, it was the fact he was in his hunting ground and those poor girls crossed the bridge.That was the trap. While they discussed where to run he was there. This is what I believe.

[@michelleboldan5]

Why hasn’t there been more murders ?

[@michellegrovak]

@@michelleboldan5 perhaps there have been.

[@nicole4508]

That's still random though. Random in this context doesn't mean it wasnt premeditated it means the girls were randomly chosen just because they were there.

[@rollrwrld999]

I think there were two men. And the girls knew the one guy.

[@almVancouver]

@@rollrwrld999 Based on what?

[@diannedocherty3816]

Too many chefs in the kitchen….those first interviews need to be REVIEWED again 💯 the information is there ✌️❤️🌎

[@silverstuff182]

Too many short order cooks and no chefs.

[@willowrain7344]

Tomi Wrangham Everyone saying that BG is DN or any other individual that has already been arrested for a felony have you totally missed the many statements by LE saying that it’s like BG has never committed a crime before? This is because his prints and DNA are not in the system already! That automatically eliminates these POIs that have a long criminal history or are currently incarcerated so please move on from them and start putting your time and energy into actual potential POIs

[@ssherrierable]

This one of the problems if they already have former detectives on a case that never made any progress.

[@whodis1509]

#JusticeForAbbyAndLibby

[@gram5963]

LET TODAY BE THE DAY.

[@sunnydelight5255]

So WHY? This is ridiculous. 43 seconds of video the killer moving and his voice and hair and fiber and no release of major details and still NOT SOLVED.

[@Acidandrain0]

They couldn’t link anyone to the scene

[@chauncey9766]

Nobody should be walking on that bridge. Very dangerous. They should close it down.

[@staciesmom9639]

Botched investigation IMO

[@roselisembee2333]

I live in southern Indiana. I wonder if there have been no recent statements by authorities because they want to "lay low" and are close to an arrest? They may want the suspect to feel confident and catch him off guard, not do anything to cause him to run. I pray that is the case. And people who say horrendous things about law enforcement...Shame on you, they are the ones who found their bodies and have been permanently affected by it. No one other, than the families, wants to find this evil murderer more than they do.

[@DollySantana]

I live in SWI and agree too

[@JustTheFacts317]

They have nothing unfortunately. It's because of the mistakes made. The main mistake was not using canines to track scent of killer

[@t-bone3202]

@@JustTheFacts317 I think it’s because this was very well planned, and somebody knew the law very very well. That’s why this is a stale mate?

[@tamara6212]

@@JustTheFacts317 Agreed. That was a critical mistake.

[@JustTheFacts317]

@@t-bone3202 yeah sure seems that way ....what do u think of the information they released ?

[@turtle4614]

2 1/2 years we got one image and a few words. Then all of a sudden the most generic picture of a man I've ever seen is out up and we forget the image we've seen for so long. Close your eyes. Clear your mind. Think of the Delphi murders and besides libbys hat what do you see? Guaranteed its that first sketch. This case infuriates me i feel deep sympathy for the family. I would have enacted a private investigation as well.

[@apepjones1028]

Thats a really good idea. I wonder why it hasn't been done?

[@tylerm7300]

It definitely looks more like the 2nd. The suspect is in his 20s to early 30s. Reddish brown hair brushed across his face with a square jawline

[@USALibertarian]

You have to assume the worst case scenario of a highly organized and brazen serial killer who leaves no useful evidence.

[@marwashourbaji6707]

I’m starting to lean on it being a drifting serial killer , I mean somone who knew what he was doing Bc he had done similar stuff in the past?

[@Athenasjam]

I highly doubt that. Too many things point to someone who knows the area well.

[@marwashourbaji6707]

Athena is when I said drifter I meant somone who could of been local at one point or maybe comes to the area a lot , but isn’t always in Delphi.

[@ssherrierable]

I think its someone close. Someone that was close enough to say "guys, down the hill" to them and they listened. I think its someone they knew well or definitely had met before.

[@reha1066]

steven sherrier- If it was someone they knew, they probably wouldn’t have turned on the camera and made the comments about “the creepy guy” following them. I don’t think they knew him or recognized him.

[@slados1]

@@ssherrierable Add a gun pointed towards the teenage girls and there's no wonder they complied.... regardless of the individual being known to them or not. This appears to be how it went down according to someone that was invited by the police to watch the full video, I forget who exactly it was... family. They were basically trapped there at the end of the bridge.

[@Uprising771]

LE messed this up. amateur investigators would hsve solved this long ago

[@Mona-1]

If their only hope to solve this case is for BG to be arrested for another crime and “confess” to this one, then that means they have no DNA that could eventually lead them to the killer (through genealogy) and they really need a confession! LE has no clue who the killer is and, unfortunately, this case will not be solved.

[@sunnyday4616]

Well why didn’t you have them release more info...

[@bgdelphi-sleuth6297]

He's right!!! alleged: It wasn't random and the suspect is NOT a Indiana resident!

[@margaretneanover3385]

So many questions not able to ask..so imperative to understand. If i want it cleared in my mind what is most likely.

[@rubyrush3751]

Can the DNA evidence not be sent off to find a familial match? Sorry im new to researching this case. Always knew about it but only now taking a deep look

[@moondogrex4627]

The DNA might not be from a person. It can be from a dog , cat or even fabric

[@cm1642]

Inadequate at best. This is shameful.

[@GrayHughesInvestigates]

what's shameful about it? Such bizarre comments by a lot of really weird people on this video.

[@nighthawktt]

👍 Honest interview

[@omgXALYSSAXomg]

Why not look for those girls that night? Why? That shocks me and appalled me. Two you g girls, no coats, and they could have fallen or got hurt. Turns out it was much worse and how could they not search that night. It’s nuts to me. Must be a coverup.

[@brandi123ize]

Some ppl did search all night ! I would think because it being dark it made it more difficult to see and not familiar with that entire area .

[@wendykirby631]

That night is when the killer staged the scene with baby dolls and stuffed animals

[@dennissasseen3678]

This is a new comment 2021, Something is Rotten in Delphi.

[@Canyouseeanypartofme]

Too many cooks in the kitchen it seems

[@esssesss328]

Its ALL right there !!! It Always Was !!! Crazy !

[@esssesss328]

Exactly the people who were there !!!🤯🤯🤯

[@timothyfreeseha4056]

I cant help but think that if nothing like this ever happened before then it would be reasonable to consider that this is more like a crime you have had, for many of the same motives, even as the victims fit a different profile. More of a question than an opinion or statement. Anyhow, if a criminal can hide in plain sight, perhaps Delphi cannot see this straight on. Perhaps it is too difficult to consider.

[@steveculbert4039]

Truthfully, aren't all LE just waiting for one eye witness who knows BG to finger him? Isn't that a pathetic fact? THE KILLER'S FACE AND BODY AND VOICE ARE ON CAMERA! It's no wonder that better than 6O% of murders are never solved. Why can't murderers be found? PS: The girls should NEVER have been allowed to go to that bridge by themselves. Quit covering for people's irresponsibilities.

[@WVgrl59]

Where I live in West Virginia we have the same terrain and weather as Delphi. It was 48°, 8 mph winds that day. Kelsi made Abby take her sweatshirt jacket because she hadn't brought a jacket. I have always wondered what they would have done out there so long. Maybe they had heard that kids were going to be out there and thought they'd take their chance to see if they might meet someone. But I've not heard any other kids saying they saw them. When I was their age I would occasionally go into the woods to sneak a cigarette. Just for a thrill. 'Bridge etiquette' would have made them stay at the end of the bridge until BG turned around and began going the other way. I am sure that they were not prepared for him to continue coming to the end of the bridge. I wish police would give us a better timeline compared to videos and photos of the girls that they took along the way. Then maybe we could tell if they were at the end of the bridge possibly waiting on someone or just waiting on BG to turn around and go back the other way before they started back.

[@azelltanner1624]

I believe the perp is a truck driver that was passing through and decided to visit this place and saw an opportunity cause he is a serial killer. They say truckers wear fanny packs and so happens there is a place nearby where truckers park at. Just a thought!!

[@rollrwrld999]

The BG knew the area well. I also think another guy was involved. This was not random. I Believe one of the girls was the target by the guy that killed them. This is just speculation. The guy that murdered these girls is well known within the community. Again, speculation from other videos I've watched and other materials I've read.

[@kirkclute2782]

Joe rogan wears a fanny pack

[@cuckertarlson5310]

@Ian you can find a video on KZbin of the bridge a year before the crime. There's maps and all kinds of shit on the internet about the trails that existed prior to the crimes. It's a bridge not hard to walk slowly on a bridge

[@daisythomas8354]

Isnt a fanny pack thats part of his hoodie sticking out.

[@margaretneanover3385]

Id hope that these words are solid because the mere fact of understanding when it actually took place is crucial. So immediately after it took place. Its hard not to hear more and definitely not less than image of..

[@googleplaystore5520]

It was a nice day, why not, murder doesn't happen like that in Delphi. If they have DNA whether from there or not they will be caught sooner or later.

[@fraser_mr2009]

nope there is something we're not being told. you say they would be able to arrest because they have all of this evidence. but... they act like they actually know who did it. heck the audio even mentions his name

[@merchernel123]

The audio mentions his name?

[@lauraburger1272]

?

[@fraser_mr2009]

@@merchernel123 yes in between guys and down the hill. but it seems placed there intentionally kzbin.info/www/bejne/qZa6mqKuh8mEa80&feature=emb_title kill them, bradley

[@ariesfire13]

Z

[@dlmullins9054]

Bring Joe Kenda out and let a real detective show you how it's done! Sick of all the excuses and all the talk about how good they are. I don't think they have any information to hide and they are just saying it to get tv interviews. Nobody seems to care about actually doing any detective work. Sick of all the big talk and no action or results.

[@peck404]

When Kelsey drops them off, an they get out of the car --where is bridge guy at that moment??

[@mathiasringle6972]

Well, I can think of 3 main possibilities but there a probably more. 1. Already at the south end of the bridge waiting for an opportunity of anyone coming through. 2. Watching from one of the benches close to where they were dropped off, then just lags behind but follows them over. 3. Trudging over quickly from freedom bridge because he somehow knew that Abby and Libby were on their way. Number 3 would be they were targeted specifically, the first 2 could still mean they were targeted but more than likely would be random. It's so frustrating because it could easily be any one of those.

[@gram5963]

@@mathiasringle6972 I can’t help but feel that it was a targeted attack.

[@gram5963]

@Cyber Karta as far as I understand it, Anna had Abby at 19 and her dad was never around.

[@gram5963]

@Cyber Karta those are Libby’s parents. Dad lives with the kids at his parents’ house and mom is in Michigan. Abby’s mom is a single mom. Always has been.

[@gram5963]

@Cyber Karta um, yep. Derek German is the son of Becky Patty. Mike is his step dad. Derek and his kids (Libby is his daughter) live with them. Her mom is out of state. Anna (Abby’s mom) never married Abby’s dad.

[@hunna5849]

It's not uncommon for someone to kill two people at the same time together

[@Donnaballs]

Not for OJ simpson, that's his pastime

[@hunna5849]

@@Donnaballs the 🧤 didn't fit

[@lockupraw8256]

I find it very interesting he has been working in that position since 1987 and has not since a murder like this until now in 2017. Who knows how long before 1987 there was a random murder incident

[@abacus299]

Clear from this interview they have "1960s* evidence - fingerprints, blood type, shoeprints, hair, possible purchase provenance of items left at scene, weapon marks, bite marks, tyre tracks.

[@karenandrews8695]

Blood type, then you have DNA.

[@karenandrews8695]

Hair you have DNA

[@abacus299]

@@karenandrews8695 In the 60s detectives would have used microscopic visual examination of hair for comparison (sometimes with inaccurate results!) to both eliminate and identify. Hair root can contain nuclear DNA, which is unique to an individual so can be used for identification purposes, Rootless hair strands can contain mitochondrial DNA which can be used to eliminate but not identify an individual.

[@abacus299]

@@karenandrews8695 We share our genes with 99.9% of other humans on the planet. It is the way the code repeats itself that varies. Each variation (allele) is shared with a much smaller percentage of the population. 13 alleles is standard for most labs/legal systems. In a mixed contributor sample, say victim and perpetrator that's potentially 26 alleles; two victims and perpetrator it's 39 alleles. The analyst must determine which alleles belong to which contributor. Small samples or degraded samples can result in alleles dropping off from locations or seeming to appear where they do not. The analysis becomes - albeit useful - an interpretation. Low copy number DNA can eliminate but not identify a suspect. Small samples also present logistical problems. Tests must be repeated to confirm accuracy of results, potential defendant's will also want to conduct tests. If testing would consume all the material it may be delayed until other techniques make it feasible or other evidence leads to a charged suspect. Inconclusive results occur far more often than commonly thought.

[@jackieM88890]

I heard there was something about how the girls were staged after death that only law enforcement and the killer/killers know. Law enforcement was also concerned about the parents finding this out (the way the girls were staged) That could be something related to the past because many serial killers left their victims certain ways and they would do it every murder. I am like the rest of you...I want this B&$#@* caught and put under the jail!

[@Robert-g7q7z]

At the end of the day it was truly about money that is it

[@denisespurlock7869]

Did officials interview the owner of the house overlooking the crime scene?

[@mattsullivan3400]

Ron Logan. So yes.

[@julez8053]

0:08 I don't know how children are raised in Delphi, but even if those two girls would have left the park before their pick-up, which wouldn't make any sense since it would have been around the time of their pick-up anyway, how could they possibly have been with friends the hole night, without the parents of the girls being contacted by the parents of the friends? Also, didn't LE speak with the parents, the day the girls went missing, to exclude such baseless assumptions? 0:14 To me it seems as if they wouldn't think much about anything in general.

[@BoomerElite4u]

We all know who did it. Kind of sad no one has the balls to do what is right.

[@debbieelliott3767]

We do? Who is it?

[@silverstuff182]

@@debbieelliott3767 I see the dude never answered.

[@lindalauer1434]

Key word, "former".

[@Tryp-j9d]

In 1960 they’d have just rounded up the nearest Black man, and convicted him within a MONTH!!

[@fancymcentire5710]

its too bad that LE has walked away from this case years ago

[@lauraburger1272]

Why say “if you are not from here you wouldn’t know that bridge and trails exists!” That is not true .... the trails and bridge is online! And has been for a long time according to the dates on the site. This type of speak makes people think BG about s someone from the area of Delphi and might keep people from calling the tip line on suspects.

[@redtobertshateshandles]

He saw three young girls in a car at the shop or gas station and followed them.

[@petercleary1000]

The man that did this must live on the moon.

[@caitlynjenner7207]

i dont believe you'd have your 13 year old child there alone and have no problem with it , thats a lie

[@USALibertarian]

Without Libby's video BG would never be caught and a family member would likely take the fall.

[@southbeachmiamiart895]

A Delphi prosecutor in a town of 2,900. How many cases is that...6, 5?

[@robertives4410]

In Indiana the jurisdiction of the prosecuting attorney is the county. With a population of 20k, Carroll County has several hundred criminal charges each year. Most years there are no murders, but there are several every decade. This is at least the third double murder in the last thirty years.

[@louellen7271]

Once they hand him some solid evidence, the prosecutor will prosecute. He isn't a one-man show - investigator, prosecutor, judge, jury.

[@GrayHughesInvestigates]

he was the Carroll county prosecutor

[@hywelmurray]

There has got be reason why the killer was loitering out there in February, as stated the trail is not a well known tourist destination. Was he sleeping rough in an outhouse nearby , he looks like may have had all his belongings stuffed under his coat. Check homeless applications and hostel placements in nearby towns around the time.

[@ssherrierable]

What if that guy that they have on video wasnt even the person that killed them? We dont know.

[@PolarWarriors]

There is a channeler youtuber who said he wasn't the killer, just told them to get off the bridge basically. Someone could have been underneath the bridge waiting for them.

[@reha1066]

Whatever is on that tape, led ALL the detectives who saw and heard it to say that that was the killer. I don’t think they would have said that if they didn’t believe that he was the guy. There must be something on there that shows that he is the killer.

[@slados1]

Law enforcement has stated this repeatedly, the man in the video and the man uttering those words are one and the same.

[@jenniferjones6359]

I believe that the man on the bridge took the girls to the killer. Someone else killed them.

[@jenniferjones6359]

@Ian why would he come forward if he’s involved? Someone paid the bridge guy to take the girls down there. Once he was paid he more then likely left and the person that killed the girls.

[@googleplaystore5520]

Thats where a lot of kids swam in the summer.

[@fancymcentire5710]

no one ever goes there , its very secluded .

[@sophiapapas4956]

I think someone was watching and tracking them on social media, only because it seems like no one else was around.

[@Melsincatuation]

That's exactlynwhat I was thinking.. This case is weird....something is "off"//DNA should have been collected and the bad guy caught!!! I actually am starting to believe whatever killed these girls wasn't human..

[@venuswireless2621]

its arranged .. like its a web they are connected ... u think u would have something chained or linked to each other ....

[@runfree6249]

Hard to believe that this case is just dead at this point. Someone has to know who this person is just by the voice alone,