The Design Flaw Behind MacBook Pro’s “Stage light” Effect!

[@AmusementLabs]

A non-replacable flex cable bent around a sharp corner that starts breaking after the warranty expires?... Say it with me: OOOOOFFFFFF COUURRRRRRRSSSEEE.

[@christiandeuctor3606]

*_-OOF-_*

[@systemofapwne]

Nice design choice - As always for Apple. Produce excellente devices (hardware + software wise - No doubt!) and make customers "extremely happy". But: Introduce a design flaw, to make the customer pay every 1-2 years the full price for a new device again. Some plebs simply do not and dont want to learn.

[@anandsuralkar2947]

Lol

[@seicento2tone]

Exactly why I’m getting a Google Pixel 3, can’t take it with this cheaply made Apple shit

[@rationalityfirst]

@@systemofapwne - excellent devices - design flaw pick one

[@KS-ov1ul]

MACBOOK PRO-BLEM

[@anandsuralkar2947]

Lol

[@wrook4324]

Pretty much

[@k1ngjulien_]

You really have to "Think Different" to design a laptop with a hardwired displaycable that has to bend around a sharp corner every time you open the device xD

[@cataria3903]

"cough planned obsolescence cough" and remember integrating the display cable into the display, making it impossible to replace for 3rd part or user replacements is 100% done to fuck with people, it has 0 other reason :D

[@kartaloktay]

It's pretty crazy that a damaged ribbon cable leads to a 600$ replacement to get the device working again.

[@SwitchedOnNetwork]

It's almost like it's not accidental!

[@hollymolly518]

yea i feels like it's design to last a year or so....sales drop they gotta find a way to make people buy new one...

[@arzolt4765]

@@SwitchedOnNetwork Its almost like its just unlucky that this issue appears at the end of the warranty period...

[@제로-w3x]

It’s not a design issue, it’s purposely designed to be broken after the warranty, which is also when they publish the new laptop. It was carefully designed.

[@bennaambo2716]

bullshit

[@chickinpop1235]

Exactly

[@dharmeshsolanki4354]

A petition to let them know??? THEY ALREADY KNOW THIS... 😂

[@schoonerthedog]

Dharmesh Solanki you should read the petition... it’s not about letting them know, it’s to legally extend the warranty

[@dharmeshsolanki4354]

@@schoonerthedog bro its just a joke i can't evan afford an apple laptop

[@JNP232]

@@dharmeshsolanki4354 you don't know what petition even is.

[@dharmeshsolanki4354]

@@JNP232 yes i know.....

[@ClevelandTerry]

Dylan Greene people don’t read anymore. They just react.

[@nomadben]

Apple's business practices are despicable. I keep hearing about more and more things they've done that make it seem to be getting worse and worse. It's beyond me why so many people continue to blindly support them, no matter what they do.

[@curbdawg3818]

They will keep doing it until people stop buying their products.

[@AmusementLabs]

@@curbdawg3818 That's sort of already happening in China. Granted that has more to do with the competition and their lack of innovation, but people there see that they're less about making a reliable and reasonably priced phone and more about designing something to fail so you keep pouring more and more money in.

[@systemofapwne]

They simply make good products (initial hardware state + excellente software support). But if the hardware breaks, they charge for a new device. The customer plebs simply remember their "happy moments" and buy the "updated, overpriced, follow-on device" every 1-2 years - They stay happy by the continuing product-quality and completely disregard the fact, that they are constantly getting ripped off by apple. (Works in other buisinesses too like "light bulbs" but not on the same scale. E.g. LED and conventionals could last decades by technical standards, yet they will break in a few years to keep the companies alive...) Planned obsolescence, a skill, apple really is good in and customers don't complain about...

[@superstarDJ537]

Airpods are brilliant but they have to be replaced every 18months. Watches are likely to fail after 2 years. Dongles you have to tiptoe about not moving stuff whilst they're plugged in. You have to expect failures on their products, Apple Care is mandatory. Thinkpads usually come with 3 year return to base warranty, someone will literally come to your house and pick it up. You don't have to book an appointment with a 'genius' or whatever. It baffles me that anyone serious still buys these laptops unless they see it as a fashion accessory or must only use FCP.

[@galihprabasidi8498]

Because they are one of the biggest PC manufacturer so there is no way that they make bad design. Right? LOL

[@ethansworld210]

My 2018 Macbook pro has this issue after 3 years of use. Took it to Genius bar and was charged $678 plus tax to fix it. As an Apple fan, It's sad see the quality of Apple products and service is failing.

[@MoejiiOsmanTV]

Why the eff would u pay that when you could buy a 15in display off ebay for 200-250 and install yourself..

[@DragonOfTheMortalKombat]

Why are you still an Apple fan ? That's the part which baffles me, how long before you wake up ?

[@348adilshaikh]

Dont worry! This will be fixed in the next software update 😎

[@summushieremiasclarkson4700]

@ȘȚɄƑƑɎǾɄ1oo at this point that isn't a risk. Apple fanboys won't even believe this is Apple's fault, "you're bending it too far". To require a fix in the update, the fanboys first have to acknowledge Apple has something to fix, which they won't.

[@AlexMkd1984]

@@summushieremiasclarkson4700 because apple customers are stupid blind brainwashed 😂

[@carholic-sz3qv]

@ȘȚɄƑƑɎǾɄ1oo you are the fanboy here he is just trying to make fun and you are butthurt thats pathetic

[@conf1rmed819]

if you can see things on the screen

[@treshanremolano159]

Actually, this is kind-of hardware problem, not software. In some cases, software updates can't fix hardware problems, it's just temporary remedy. If you making it serious, then fix it...

[@sneedsneed460]

ATTENTION FLEXGATE SUFFERERS! If you want a fix, here’s what you need to do. First, buy some metal polish. Then, gently rub off a small piece of the oleophobic coating off on your display. Then, take your computer to Apple. They will fix it for free under the oleophobic coating recall, even if the screen has other defects.

[@Lvlaple4Ever]

Or just don’t buy an overpriced Apple product.

[@kobedabest]

lvlaple4Ever This sounds like a better idea!

[@CyberWaifu]

You use the metal polish to rub off the coating?

[@anandsuralkar2947]

That wont solve this issue

[@storino03]

It'll come back in a few years. Requires a total redesign of the cable flexing.

[@mindhead_]

Fell victim to this issue today on my otherwise flawlessly operating 2017 Macbook Pro. Drove over 250kms round trip to the apple store to be told that the flexgate issue was a rumour and that it would be an $850 fix. Having exclusively used Mac computers since 1999, feels like a punch in the face. Frustrated and computerless. Bring back Steve Jobs!!!!

[@MoejiiOsmanTV]

Buy a 15in display on ebay for 200 and fix ur self...jesus

[@mindhead_]

@@MoejiiOsmanTV Oh true? So I can just click the old one off and click the new one in? Thanks heaps for the kind advice, didn't realise it was so straight forward. Appreciate it.

[@learntonganwithandrew]

​@@mindhead_ lol

[@Stuntman707]

Apple knowingly designed this cable as part of the display. Just like how they hold the back on with clips as well as screws. It's all intentional design to make the MacBook more likely to break through increased fragility of the display and excessive force required to remove the back cover.

[@TheHumble0ne]

Stuntman707 Just like how the butterfly switch was designed to flex at its thinnest point unlike the traditional scissor switch. It too will succumb to material fatigue. It’s all in line with Cook’s goal to increase services revenue. Jobs never stooped this low.

[@magsec5]

Stuntman707 yeah No your wrong. They’re just not designing them perfectly enough

[@anandsuralkar2947]

And make is not able to replace cable to get 600$ by replacing screen

[@anandsuralkar2947]

@@magsec5 they are desgining it perfectly to break and cost 600$

[@magsec5]

glitch gamer everything is getting more and more intergrated. This is just another one of those casualties.

[@dusanskrbic90]

louis rossmann knew this a long time ago....

[@jojodroid31]

First day it came out probably.

[@TechnoboxOG]

yeah

[@jamesisaac7684]

He made a video about it saying it's impossible to fix it.

[@IIGrayfoxII]

@@jamesisaac7684 How will you get a replacement screen? Apple wont sell you one. You have to buy a new laptop.

[@unlokia]

So what? He's not that amazing, he just happens to be a LOUD, opinionated prat that can't stop making videos, or getting himself in the news. Just because he's *popular* doesn't mean he's the go-to man for repairs. Many FAR more qualified, more dignified, respectful and mature, experienced engineers exist.

[@WRNPR]

You’re holding it wrong!!!

[@samtv19981]

Wilfredo Rodriguez WTF. If you wouldn’t open your MacBook the Cable wouldn’t be worn out.

[@ijsbert6174]

It's an iPhone 4 reference @@samtv19981

[@naimmazmi]

Yeah... They'll say that you're opening it wrong

[@GideonLfc]

They're actually opening it wrong 😂

[@anandsuralkar2947]

Accurate

[@aminm6453]

I have this issue with a 2018 model (A1989). Always treated it carefully and now the exact same problem occurred. I now have to pay 700€ even though it‘s a known design issue. Soo angry about this customer unfriendly behavior

[@tt2000hp]

this is not a design flaw, this is planned obsolescence

[@sonny926]

ahhh yes my favourite two words when describing apple design

[@gokmenkilincarslan7082]

The issue also applies to the 15 inch models for those of you wondering. However Apple does not cover the 15 inch models.

[@FVBmovies]

Yes they do. You just need to be persistent and spend up to 3 hours on support.

[@antoniesb4330]

​@@FVBmoviescould you explain this? Thanks

[@FVBmovies]

@@antoniesb4330 Louis Rossman channel told how a customer was on phone with Apple customer support and got trough to accept his 15 inch model for screen replacement. Not worth to explain further as most of these models have expired warranty anyway not counting Apple Care.

[@Fubbel42]

Meanwhile I'm watching this on my Jobbs era mid 2010 MacBook Pro that simply refuses to die. Things have changed...

[@keomafernandes7442]

It's almost like it was designed to wear out after the warranty to stimulate a replacement

[@empirerecords1332]

Yessss🖒🖒🖒🖒🖒🖒

[@Dave5843-d9m]

It’s designed to outlast the warranty. That’s it.

[@ArthurMoore]

What's really impressive is how long they lasted after Steve's death. Finally now, we really see what's left of apple without him.

[@moneymoney3780]

Apple gives you only 1 year of warranty for macbook that costs $1000+? I got 4 years of warranty for my $400 HP laptop

[@cameranut]

What HP comes with a 4 year warranty without paying extra? If you paid for an extra warranty, fine, but you can also pay for AppleCare on the Macbook pro, so your argument is moot.

[@damiengreen28]

I bet your $400 hp laptop needed it too. I've never seen a 4 year old cheap laptop in a case that isn't falling to bits.

[@damiengreen28]

@ioannis Skardasis another person pretending pc laptops are all perfect and never break? I fix computers for a living, I see a lot of broken pc laptops and not many broken mac ones. And no, I'm not a mac fanboy I am typing this from my windows pc.

[@scod3908]

Let me guess, you're no longer using that HP laptop 5 years on

[@moneymoney3780]

@@scod3908 exactly 💀 macbooks were absolute dogshit back when they had intel but now theyre really good

[@haramaschabrasir8662]

Here we go again. The first LED screen MacBook Pros early 2008 had a similar issue, the display cable twisted and caused problems. But at least back then it was easier to replace a cable. Class action lawsuit anyone?

[@iftikharsadeed9943]

My 2016 Macbook Pro just started to have this issue today. I am going to get it tested by Apple if they are open now days.

[@MidnightBloomDev]

*_You are buying it wrong_*

[@tritron5519]

Its sad to see what apple products have become. My 2012 Macbook pro still works without a problem, the 2015 one doesnt

[@johnnyjones2773]

This issue has just started on my 2017 MacBook Pro 15 inch and since it cost me and arm and a leg to buy I was hoping it would last to my second degree at uni starting next year but nope, it’s already starting to fail. I’ve always used apple computers but their lack of care for people forking out £2-3k for laptops some of which are students working long hours to afford them is genuinely despicable. Time to look at other companies.

[@Sereosh]

I'm pretty sure this is what happened to my 2016 MBP. Luckily I live in the EU and I got my screen fixed days before the 2 year warranty ended...

[@roger767]

macbook pro 2015, last good macbook Apple made

[@jonvincentmusic]

Nah last great Apple MacBook was the 2012 13" pre-retina, MD101. Plenty of those models still in use today, and everything about it can be upgraded, repaired or replaced.

[@jacksprrow]

i agree, thats why i bought a brand new sealed in box mid-2015 as a spare last week.It will sit unused until my current mid-2015 dies(which it probably wont). Hopefully this will allow me to continue to use MacOS until tim cook the moron is ousted and new non-shitty macbooks are made.

[@QueenGoesYT]

@@jonvincentmusic Got my 2011 15 inch pro here beside me and it still performs like a champ. I got the logic board and battery replaced under extended warranty so it's basically as good as new, until the logic board explodes again.

[@Act1veSp1n]

2012 non-retina

[@Erik.Lundberg]

In MacBook Pro retina you need to replace the whole top case to replace the battery. So they are also not that good if you compare them to the older thicker MacBook Pro models.

[@wertusp]

You are opening the Macbook wrong.

[@wolfgangkoeppen52]

I saw that too, made me cringe

[@zxttgg]

Should never open, and tell your friends you have a macbook, and it’s cool.

[@JamilKhan-hk1wl]

@Masterr Laster nice , thank you apple fanboi for mentioning that

[@innagramtv6731]

everyone is so smart saying it's wrong, but no one says what's the right way

[@darknessblades]

well the funny thing is in the EU they must fix it under warranty laws since in the EU there is a 2 year minimum warranty and since its a design flaw they are not allowed to scam customers in thinking its their fault

[@astroguyco]

Most of apple customers are in the US, there are no laws preventing them making money here

[@DavidCherrie]

My work computer which is a 15 inch 2017 MacBook Pro Touch Bar which had an issue with the keyboard where 2 keys would intermittently not respond or double type the key pressed. After getting the keyboard replaced which in turn is the whole bottom case, they damaged the antenna module in the repair. After 3 weeks I got the computer back and found I had this exact screen issue after I got the computer back. They were hesitant to even address the issue as it was only intermittently doing this and I had filmed it several times happening and finally they decided to replace the screen. Fast forward a month and 3 other computers in our department had the keyboard issue. Once the three came back for repair, 1 also had this screen issue and were hesitant to replace it. Then fast forward 2 months, colleagues 13inch 2017 MacBook Pro Touch had the screen issue. If Apple are willing enough to extend the warranty due to the keyboard sticky keys issue, they should also extend warranty of the display with the flex issue.

[@JMRabil675]

You dont have to replace the keyboard, just pop our the affected keys and clean them with compressed air - works like a charm. Still disgusting you have to do that on a 2000 fucking dollar machine. What a rip

[@Hurricane31337]

My 2016 MacBook Pro 15 Touchbar was also affected and I had to buy a completely new display after only 1.5 years. In three Apple Store they didn't want to do it for free and said that I would be the first one with this problem, so I had to pay ~500€ for their design fail. Good to know that I've been lied to and they knew exactly about this flaw... Btw my keyboard is getting "stickier" too and one key already stopped working for a day.......

[@mrhats830]

Same computer as you...and yes Ive already had to get the display fixed and my keyboard fixed. This computer has been a joke. Over $1,000 in repairs that I didn't have to pay because apple care covered it. Thats ridiculous! I'm Cooked out. Ready for a new CEO to come in and fix Apple after all the issues that dude has brought on the company.

[@nameinvalid69]

it got me wondering, aren't you guys are at a point to start thinking "this isn't worth it" and find alternative products, instead of continue paying those unreasonable sum...?

[@mrhats830]

ZeroLife if only PC manufacturers started making their computers super easy to run mac os, they wouldn’t have any problems selling their PCs. Hackintosh laptops can be a nightmare to get working correctly compared to a desktop hackintosh. And to answer your question, my next computer will be a hackintosh. I’m done paying high prices for sub par hardware. I love Mac OS but the hardware choices under Tim Cook tend to be lower quality.

[@kushantha7]

If macos is what you need then no other choices. But if it's not just get a thinkpad and it'll run like toyota corolla. Boring but works.

[@southpew3535]

soo glad that i got myself macbook pro 2015 seeing all those issues with keyboard now lcd in newer models

[@RaddDronzy]

First of all they are expensive. Then now they have this type of stupid problems. Thought of buying one next month but nope never buying an apple macbook.

[@danielhirsh2937]

Radd Dronzy never bad this problem the MacBook Pro is really good for work

[@kaylamitchell1982]

Get an iPad instead

[@Thatapsguy12]

I have an older MacBook (2012) and love it.

[@RaddDronzy]

@@Thatapsguy12 Old macbooks are great. But if I want them then I will get only secondhand.

[@MrUnkownGuyAC]

Look into buying pre - 2015 models as they are rated high in repairability, and my 2012 is still rocking strong after 4+ years of being on the bed, backpack, and on the table.

[@asicdathens]

I have one of the last Vaio models from Sony (2014 model) After a lot of wear and tear and two falls I replaced the plastic shells and the laptop is as new. I replaced HDD (solid state), battery, wifi module (upgraded to 5Ghz). It's an i7 with 8GB and I can run all the software I need.

[@psbx]

Yeah... , since my 2018 model Mac book pro has this issue, I switched to Sony Vaio 2010 model by upgrading to SSD.

[@justinwhite2313]

What gives Apple? It's just one screw up after another. I love Apple products, but I can't stand this anymore... Posting my MacBook Pro for sale and buying a windows laptop is very tempting right now.

[@HIIMUsc]

yeah, since the new iPad is coming bend from the Factory im not going to buy one, my iPad Pro 9.7 looks like new and performs great, why should i buy an overpriced Banana, also can‘t use my apple pencil on it and no more Lightning Connector, Apple sucks since a few years now....

[@power21100]

if you're looking for a thin and light, you should check out laptops from Razer, Dell, HP, Asus, and MSI etc.....

[@JoseMendez-wu4om]

Then do it. Nobody’s stopping you.

[@blumac9801]

Justin White just get a new RTX laptop...

[@latitudeash]

in late 2011, I got myself a £2100 GBP Mac book pro. I love it, but its over-heats, and I have had to get a table cooler. I have also had to instal FAN control. I love the Mac Operating system then and now. Than My graphics card chip fried and I was just in warranty to get the motherboard replaced ( it cost almost £700 GBP (free to me). The Mac book overheats still. So I have employed the previous measures. Its a love-hate affair with me with me. Lots of things to love about apple but lots of things to hate. I have an iPhone, 11.9 iPad Pro 2019, MacBook Pro2011 (as mentioned), earPods, iPod (x3). That said I am well established into the Apple ecosystem and they got me good and proper. It is difficult to detach myself. I can tell you that I will never get another MacBook Pro, too unreliable. I will be getting a razer Laptop and installing AppleOS on it on a dual boot set-up. It's possible using Hackingtosh process. What can I say, I gave Apple all the chances in the world one would give. I wish Apple would sort themselves out as I would not want to go away, but at this moment I will not be getting another MacBook Pro. Sorry, Apple you messed up too many times on this product.

[@rvj28]

There is another issues faced by 2017 MacBook Pro users. Weird horizontal lines appear on the screen after 20-30 minutes of using the laptop. If any petition do lmk.

[@arthurguimaraes00]

Same here.

[@AustinPetDetective]

So frustrating that a problem like this can even exist from just opening and closing the computer. So when the laptop goes in for repair are they putting in longer cables to fix the problem or is the same thing going to happen in a years time ?

[@cletusclark4988]

no it wont ! am a professional mac technician and i can tell for a fact with my experience with flex, the issue wont happend again beccause if the flex is longer it wont break, so far ive fixed or repaired over 20 macs issues with backlight flex or the lcd panel itself especially from 2016 - present and they all been good till now

[@Sjakal777]

Same thing happend to my macbook pro from 2017 after 2 years. Apple wants $1000 to swap out my screen, even though the cable is the only issue on my device. I will never buy any products from Apple again. The risk of failure on their Macs are way too high for the price tag, and their products are not reliable at all. You really expect that a Macbook pro that costs $3000 last for more than 2 years.

[@Alvin-eq5rc]

Did apple did this on purpose to break MacBook so customer will buy a new one? Utterly disgusting quality assessment.

[@brandon_nope]

Alvin obviously not.

[@LucasDeEirozRodrigues]

@@brandon_nope innocent

[@maxdamage8562]

NO! It's a design defect. It's always easy to see why you shouldn't have thrown that pass AFTER it's picked off. In the words of Chuck Knox, "hindsight is 20/20".

[@ryanvacation7319]

I like to believe its more because Apple wants to design thinner and thinner laptops rather then it intentionally manufactured it to break within a year.

[@Alvin-eq5rc]

Ryan Villanueva I know I am too quick to judge. But the iPhone 6 bendgate issue Apple knew it in their testing before they released the product.

[@arthurguimaraes00]

My 2017 touchbar macbook pro started to show this issue yesterday. It got worse today. It shows black lines at the bottom of the screen.

[@onedgurl425]

This literally just happened to my MacBook, I was so confused because my previous one lasted for 6 years and this one is went out after 3 years (I used warranty and they replaced the same one after my cat stepped on the screen and broke it

[@goonigoogoo5868]

I had mine fixed for 100 euro the cable was replaced this requires the a skilled tech to do it. make sure the shop you go to has done it already or advertises that they can do it. apple no longer supports this failure .

[@koustavpramanick8373]

I am waiting for the day when apple would say "its normal"🤣🤣

[@steveallen3335]

This issue is still ongoing f0r 2017 models as well and Apple abusing their power, consumers need to stand up and fight Apple on this.

[@tang8425]

my computer also have this problem, exactly same!!! But it’s 2017 model, apple not cover the fee

[@mindhead_]

they tried but the judge threw it out of court

[@hopsie9983]

This has just happened to my Mac book Pro.

[@n37sun3]

same. such a frustration. Repair appointment only available after 7 days, whereas the new max chip model only available 16days later😅 and my exam is two days ahead

[@vaanrodriguez]

Me too we should all make a vídeo about our problem ando give them bad advertising, this is all planned from them

[@arun8623]

Was it repaired for free? They are trying to charge for mine.

[@adolforeyes4102]

Almost 4 years since this video and Apple does not want to cover 2017 and newer models with this flexgate issue. Can you please make in update video on this topic! Apple will not budge with covering this problem!! Please put more exposure on this topic! Gracias

[@HuxTheSergal]

Apple cares more about making their devices nice and light rather than usable and durable.

[@peterthepanda]

*more about making more money by using poor design choices to force more expensive repairs than FTFY.

[@anandsuralkar2947]

They actually make internationally breakable after one year span..and also 6$ replacement made 600$ thats called bussness

[@TechnoboxOG]

@@anandsuralkar2947 aka. being a asshole to your customers

[@jonaswunderkind4580]

Its not the problem of being light, look at newest Swift 7 or Asus - they light, tiny and have no buttons or display issues like Apple. Also they cost the same price.

[@ppsarrakis]

@@jonaswunderkind4580 dont fool yourself,all laptops have one issue or the other....

[@jontrewfrombarry]

The touch bar Macbook pro has to be the Edsel of the Macintosh range. I have a 2017 one and already the keyboard has been replaced because they admitted that was a design flaw. Last week I started getting the stage light error. I took it to be repaired and the tech gut said it would cost £700 plus Very disappointed is putting it mildly

[@TheActiveAssault]

Despite their absurd price and flawed hardware they still possess crazy market share

[@jen_zyf]

if i ignore it (since mine isn't as bad as the one in the video), will it get worse overtime?

[@lastminuteboi]

Yes, definitely. For my 13 inch 2017 MBP, stagelight effect started about couple weeks ago. So I started using it at about 50 degree angle. After a week or so of continuous using now the display is completely gone black.

[@ATF.California]

Louis Rossman Were you at 🤔

[@Lockiel]

He told me if he repaired my computer it would just happen again :/

[@seanrobinsonjr4363]

People keep thinking that warranty is the only thing that matters. People need to read up on "Consumer complaint ". Warranty is something the retailer or brand can offer. Consumer complaint is in the law and is in most cases always better than warranty. In this case Apple only gives 1 year warranty where here in Norway as an example, laptops usually have a 5 year Consumer complaint . If you didn't cause the issue, Consumer complaint should be valid, and it's valid for 5 years for laptops.

[@mrraywhite7928]

Apple Support “Have you done a software update?”

[@mindhead_]

is it turned on?

[@beachsandinspector]

In Australia if people expect a product should last 5 years or so the supplier of product is compelled under Australian Consumer laws to repair or replace the faulty item, if it is a design issue they will have to replace for free the device or give the consumer their money back for selling a device that has a flaw in its design.

[@TheRealMarkS]

Out of warranty, Apple will tell you that you need a new display panel, and possibly a logic board, and that you'd be better off buying a new laptop. That seems to be the way they do business these days. Someone really needs to start selling Hackintosh kits, both for desktop and laptops. Sell a kit of compatible components, and include everything but a Mac OS disk, and you'd get everything you want at half the price. Personally, if I could easily buy a nicely spec'd kit, I wouldn't care if it was heavier, thicker, or made of plastic. I (and I suspect a lot of people) just want Mac OS.

[@moth4256]

problem is that installing mac is can be really difficult for a regular user and they can't advertise themselves as a hackintosh device or anything like that, as apple legal team will be very mad at that

[@ThereminHero]

You really are better building one though, to make sure you don't get ripped off and so you can choose the spec you want for your budget. The info is all there and quite straightforward to follow. www.tonymacx86.com/buyersguide/building-a-customac-hackintosh-the-ultimate-buyers-guide/

[@chabaniabdelfatah704]

Selling hackintosh causes jail

[@JanCiger]

Nobody can sell "Hackintosh kits" because you will get sued for contributory copyright infringement by Apple, even if you don't distribute the disks themselves . They will claim that your "product" is designed only to facilitate copyright infringement by others (installing MacOS on anything but Apple hw is prohibited by their license) and you will have very expensive legal problems. And if you don't label the kit as "Hackintosh", then you are just selling a regular PC that anyone could buy on every corner. Not sure what would be the point.

[@jamesisaac7684]

That's a lawsuit. Apple went after them and won.

[@Noah-ui1iu]

My 2017 Macbook Pro 15 inch just started this exact same thing. The display actually started this a few weeks ago as I was just sitting with my laptop using it and my screen just went black. I tried opening and close it but nothing worked. I then discovered opening it slightly, the screen worked then opening it further, the whole screen cut out. I can't believe this is a known issue and Apple has done nothing to stand behind their product. Instead all they care about is making more profit instead of doing the right thing and repairing mine and other's machines. I had a feeling it was a cable before I even came across this issue because I could plug my laptop in an external monitor and get a display but after seeing this, I will not buy another Apple laptop if they can't stand behind their own product.

[@teerboyd]

Exact same thing happened to me.

[@cyssoK]

same here as well. Totally lost trust in apple and will no longer be purchasing their products

[@felixrobert69]

Same to my McBook Pro 2018.. dirty business by Apple.. after 3 yrs then its will occurs same display problem

[@mindhead_]

same today. after 20 plus years of mac use, not sure what to do. pretty hard to just buy another one or paid thee absurd repair price when the computer functions perfectly (when its open to maximum 45 degrees)

[@angeloreyes1951]

oMg ItS NoT apPleS FaUlt you're just opening it wrong!!!1!

[@marshallsun1602]

I just noticed this problem!!! I bought a new 16'' mbp in 2019 since the screen of my 15'' mbp does not work. I just find that the screen works well when I only open the screen with a small angle while it shows nothing but black if I open it completely.

[@emailalpha6437]

I was deciding on weather to buy a MacBook Pro - this answers my question. Absofuckinglutely NOT buying until I see how Apple handles this.

[@mindhead_]

3 years later and aside from just one of a slew of affected models they are charging their customers through the roof for a repair and telling them that the flexgate issue is a rumour.

[@imbaBOSCO]

I have A1706 model and the camera has gone dead the repair guys said the flexgate is display backlight issue only. but the camera cable is also similar which has killed the camera and no one is ready to repair since they haven't worked on it.

[@diegomesa2337]

i just started having this problem ):

[@RogwinMusic]

me too.........unbelievable.

[@cmaccarter93]

“Because apple’s been deleting the discussion posts.” Wow isn’t it just like them?! I love that Ifixit calls them on it!

[@NanoMine]

Here's the fix: Open the display so that you can see the screen while it's still working, then login into your Apple account and order another MacBook. Checkout and the problem should go away in few days. I tried and it works.

[@haramaschabrasir8662]

You spelled Lenovo Thinkpad wrong

[@zeniktorres4320]

Are Apple's products designed by the business analyst teams or by engineers? It seems Apple is approving designing the products to get past the warranty period, but in this case they cut it too fine.

[@Kysen10]

Fire Jony Ive, thinness at all cost is really screwing up this laptop.

[@watcherob]

I agree. Jony Ive needs to start creating products that people can actually use instead of pretty fluff that breaks when you look at it.

[@bibletwink666]

Wasn't steve jobs also about thinnes?

[@jeffdickey]

@@bibletwink666 Jobs was an engineer. Ive is a designer totally consumed by his "thinner, lighter, flimsier" fetish. Don't enable people bent on harmful behaviour.

[@PrimalNaCl]

@Jeff Dickey - The only 'engineering' Jobs ever did was getting people to let him use them until they were of no value to him. Had he not had the lottery luck of meeting Woz and Woz not telling him to piss off, Steve would have likely been a used-car salesman and/or killed for trying to screw w/the wrong person at some point in his life. Did he do an amazing thing wrt to creating a high valued company? For some value of 'amazing' sure. Was _he_ a high quality individual? Absolutely not. Did he have any technical ability/skills? Not really.

[@summushieremiasclarkson4700]

@@PrimalNaCl finally. Jobs was an overrated preacher.

[@ilovejdm]

Hello Guys, so you are saying that the only solution to fix this problem is replacing the whole screen from Apple ?

[@Memorax]

Uh oh just wait til the apple disciples find out you implied Apple may have made a design flaw

[@mikaelman702]

I am really dissapointed my macbook pro 16 2019. It cost over 3000 euros. First it has heating problems and now has display problems!!! This is last apple computer for me. My next laptop uses linux. There is some nice features in mac os but there is so many software bugs... It has occurred to my mind that this intel-based laptop is intentionally designed to be bad so that M1 laptops look good.

[@nelsonpun]

can we get the 60k peoeple who watched this to all write in on their feedback page?

[@Cuppa500]

Hi & thank you for your explanatory video. Recently my 2020 M1 Macbook Air began to display the same 'Stage Lights' problem. There was virtually nothing I could find online relating this problem to my model of laptop, & certainly no acknowledgement from Apple about it. The Apple Authorised Repairer quoted me a repair cost of Aus $169 because my 3 year Applecare+ still has a few months to run. Without Applecare the cost is now apparently Aus$734. I collected my laptop from the repairer this morning & was pleasantly surprised when told "No cost - Apple has covered it under warranty". My assumption is that whilst not publicising the fact, that Apple is aware of the issue, & I suggest that if anyone reading this has an M1 Macbook Air with the Stage Light screen symptoms that it would be worth taking it to an authorised repairer for a new screen (with a new flex cable). I should add that when i took it in the repairer denied that it would treated like other models which had been acknowledged to have the issue & for which cost free rectification was available.

[@MrFijiBoySako]

Not a good year for Apple.

[@EdwardChen]

Please help me, do you know why my 15inch macbook pro mid 2014 retina display, i notice that the black color become little bit green..and sometimes not greenish . Can i fix it?

[@zacharysandberg]

What a terrible company

[@maxdamage8562]

What a stupid comment.

[@johnsam4764]

Hi there. May i ask what are the different causes between stage light effect and all black out effect. these two issues both cause by ribbon cable broken. But my mbp has only stage light effect. so i want to know what exact wire of that cable cause stage light effect. thanks

[@shaocaholica]

Lol if you’re not throwing your MacBook into the dumpster after a year. That’s the manufacturer recommended service life.

[@tang8425]

Exactly same issue for my computer, 13 inches, 2017 models!!!

[@meloD30]

Apple. Excellence in design till 2015.

[@maxdamage8562]

There are plenty of examples of crappy Apple products prior to that date. Go get a look at a PowerMac 6100. I could go on all day...

[@meloD30]

@@maxdamage8562 Agreed. But since 2015 there seem to be significant design flaws in every product line.

[@haramaschabrasir8662]

No, the pre 2015 MBPs had staingate and the pre retina 2012 MBPs had dying graphics cards. Apple wasn't better with Jobs around, stop being nostalgic. But I think customer support got even worse with Cook.

[@King-Kyle]

Woke up this morning to this issue and there is no way I'm paying to get this fixed. This is a fuck up on apples part!

[@rohithmekala2608]

www.apple.com/au/support/13-inch-macbook-pro-display-backlight-service/

[@muhammadiq]

never ending Macbook Pro problems ...

[@mangakey]

Yeah I was gonna buy a used 2016/2017 before I remembered about this issue.. Looks like 2014 or 2015 model for me it is then...

[@erronousactions]

Apple would never do planned obsolescence, they already told us so, how dare you question this?

[@swmike]

Do we know if the new 2018 Macbook Air has this problem as well?

[@sayemprodhanananta144]

design problem? Nah man it's how Apple work

[@themedleb]

"how Apple work" is the problem.

[@maxdamage8562]

This is ignorant and wrong, as well as not English.

[@MariaMaria-gt6iz]

Hello. I have trouble on my Macbook Pro 2017, touch bar. A year ago, it starts flickering. I do not have enough money to fix it by LCD replacement. So, what I did was when the screen starts to flicker I just close it for a few hours and use it again. It takes only 15mins before flickering again, so, as I student its kinda hassle. Then, there was this online friend of mine who told me that I do not need to have an LCD Replacement, I just need to fix the flex. So, I want to ask you, if ever I fix the flex on my laptop is it a good move? Or do I really need to have an LCD replacement?

[@justinbeamon6624]

1 year warranty lollllllllll

[@maxdamage8562]

Industry standard. Try moving out of mommies basement.

[@Spiteful_Crow]

Does this affect all MacBook Pros or just the touchbar models only?

[@Adri_BlackBeast]

Very interesting 👌

[@greenrolaids]

My 2016 mbp is my last ever apple product..

[@TheJesperX]

#courage

[@optimizelogicrepair2784]

In your thumbnail the arrow is pointing to the wrong cable. It should be pointing to the smaller cable to the right.

[@MosesBuckwalter]

Another problem, Apple, I love you, but why.

[@bibletwink666]

@ȘȚɄƑƑɎǾɄ1oo do you know them? If not how do you make claims like that?

[@bibletwink666]

@@DOOMile Actually it's you guys who go around saying "slaves".

[@DOOMile]

@@bibletwink666 what word should I use for someone who continuously waste money on shitty products and then complains about it then?

[@MosesBuckwalter]

@James Eyyy James! 😂😀

[@bibletwink666]

@@DOOMile look up the definition of slave.that doesn't make them one. How are they supposed to know that it's a "shitty product" when they haven't even bought it yet?

[@renaldsunset]

ATTENTION ! I saw a kind of flash light going of for about 3 seconds in the right upper corner of my MacBook Pro. What is that ?? I never saw this and nobody mentions it on internet

[@Djoki1]

Planned obsolescence Just that

[@junaidsiddiquemusic]

My 2019 MacBook Pro 16inch is suffering a problem of horizontal lines throughout the display that goes away after I close it to a certain angle and re-appears again if I open it past that.

[@muhaboy13]

Feel absolutely betrayed by Apple because of this issue. Not a scratch on my 2017 macbook and boom my screen turns black. They tell me I need to pay +800$ to replace the whole screen. They purposely sold these products knowing there was an issue but only replace the flexgate of 13 inch 2016 macbook pro’s. Joke of a company. What a letdown

[@wockreaper]

hey, even if it was a 2016 mac they wouldn’t have fixed it, i went in with the exact problem and they tried to make me replace my whole screen for 497$.

[@ScaryPills]

Why every apple product today have some problems and also why there solutions Are Not Free??

[@deltoid77-nick]

You could strip the display cable and add extra lengths using thin jumper wires

[@toontownlegomaster]

OMG. OMG my inverter cable was coming apart from the connector but that happened like 4 years after owning my MacBook. And now it's just happening wide spread with newer laptops.....

[@abhishekpatil9599]

I am using a MacBook Pro 2017 model...I am currently have a backlight flickering issue in my user profile but I do not face the same issue in the safe mode...Is it the same issue explained here or is this something different ??

[@austin22re]

The thumbnail is pointing to the wrong cable that causes stage light effect. It’s actually the smaller ribbon cable next to it.