The Devil is Fashionable

[@lempereurcremeux3493]

My man suffers from a fatal allergy to drip.

[@chelseashurmantine8153]

He was probably called unfashionable by the popular guy in writing school and he couldn’t get over the burn.

[@AkiraChan24]

"Oh my God, it's so unacceptable that people are so fixated on these fashions *gives detailed descriptions of the widths of lace, different types of fabric, shades of dyes used, where the fabrics were produced, the name of the guy who cut the cloth, and the smell of that guy's cologne* 😂

[@Ia_catI]

Someone found this guy's secret stash of women's fashion and he just needed a cover up.

[@thunder-san1377]

This text is like if rant reviews were one of our main detailled historical resources for reconstructing what 21st century video games were like

[@titian-red]

In short, he hated the fashion silhouettes of the day. Can't really blame him; they were definitely unnatural. He was all for the expensive fabrics for the upper classes, just not for the lower. He wanted to know who to be nice to and who he could spit on. His wife only lasted three years. I'm thinking it was a blessing for her.

[@juliastrzyga2274]

Author must turn in his grave. His rant on fashion is a goldmine for fashion historians. :D

[@moreInkOre]

Very interesting to listen to this one, thank you Karolina. Great find! Now lemme put on my towering wig and silk dresses and wander the streets of my village~ heheh

[@obliviouscandybar]

"How dare people not dress to their career! How am i supposed to judge them on sight if i can't tell just by lookin at their clothes?" 😤

[@anastasialudwika]

Yup, this guy was some extremely closeted fashion blogger 😂 and his puritan environment didn't help the case. I mean, it's kind of an attitude of "I'm suffering, so you should suffer too (especially if you're a woman!)". Overall, aside from the detailed descriptions (and very useful ones!), it's just another puritan guy pouring his putrice out onto women (and the world in general). Alas, nothing is changing under the sun. Great podcast, Karolina!!!❤

[@jamestolson2804]

Thanks! Thanks for your labor, first Monday in September is US labor day holiday!❤

Thank you so much! ❤️

[@thunder-san1377]

I absolutely love the image of bands of women just roaming the streets to swindle blond children out of their hair. And because a friend of a friend told him it happened once, it surely must have been a real phenomenon and a threat to light-haired children everywhere.

[@zokoravonyensloh]

Thank you so much for "translating" what hes saying. I'm lying in bed with a fever and its very much an "I know all these words seperately" situation for the original text.

[@Memorare87]

What's hilarious is that if he had gotten his wish and all women wore nothing but, say, bland potato sacks, he would have lost his mind! No more fashion to secretly lust over!

[@phoenixfritzinger9185]

It’s like the macaroni scene from Courage the Cowardly Dog

[@0er_71m3]

Devil reads Prada, devil wears prawda

[@sillyjellyfish2421]

One thing i would agree with him about are those smell bombs. As someone who had lived through the era of axe spray, if something lingers in space for longer than few hours after the person left, i would hate it viscerally too 😂😂😂

[@darthbee18]

Bah Gawd, Philip Stubbes might have been married once, but his writing shows Tudor Incel Mindset™ to a T 💀💀🔥

[@junjunjamore7735]

He was a Puritan, they were allergic to fun.

[@FishareFriendsNotFood972]

Karolina, as a long time listener, almost ALL of the topics talked about in these episodes sound still applicable to modern society.....

[@elijnt]

video title has my interest Piqued!

[@moistsquish]

bro was trying so hard to hate what he loved, how much you wanna bet one of the men of the gentry made fun of him and called him a pansy and he wrote this book to be like " Guys guys im not i promise " XD XD

[@sarahwatts7152]

I love the idea of the young guy beginning this conversations to figure out what the hot new fashions were. (Sure, the conversation is fictional, but I like the idea)

[@CertifiedPancake]

Comes out at 2am, just in time for me to fall asleep too.

[@kerriemckinstry-jett8625]

Phillip Stubbes must have been a fun neighbor to have. 🤣 I love that his rants are used by fashion historians now. 🤣

[@kohakuaiko]

There is a very puritan idea that if something is fun or pleasurable it must be a sin And, of course, sin must be illegal

[@AkiraChan24]

Dude sounds exactly like those guys who complain about Tinder dates not looking like their profiles when they take their makeup off.

[@Iflie]

Men complaining about the belgian lace they had to buy for the wife, haha.

[@jcasillas78]

This makes me wonder how these peasants were gettting their hands on all these fancy clothes?

[@kohakuaiko]

Their lords were done with them because they were last seasons style 🤷🏼‍♀️

[@I_am_Lauren]

This is the type of dude who complains that he's never invited to parties and wonders why...

[@victorian_hobgoblin]

The whole time I was listening to this episode, I kind of got the feeling that he really wanted to wear all those fabulous velvet headbands, high hats, and silk dresses, but since he couldn't (I'm assuming cross-dressing wasn't really acceptable back then), he just figured, "If I can't have this, nobody can" and just started bashing all the women he came into contact with. I also wondered if it was a reaction to his wife's death? Maybe he didn't want to be reminded of her? Weird dude, I felt kind of sorry for him.

[@Tisiloves]

Interestingly, his complaints about not being able to tell how noble people were from there dress is part of why use of "thee" and "thou" went out of common usage about this time (depending on where in the country he is).

[@tishie42]

Self flagellation through fashion. This guy was straight up jealous of women. Closeted fashionista. Fashionisto? 😂😂 The cover of being godly has been abused badly in every age. Nothing new under the sun.

[@hannahnohlgren989]

My take on his impeccable eye for detail is; He was ranting/whining to some other dude and they went 'what do you mean?' 'You know how they wear the thing!' 'Dude you dont even know anything about fashion and you got no knowledge to even explain what you are complaining about lol' and he got so MAD AND EMBARRASSED that he made 100% research about it to describe it with sich detail just so spite that one guy for calling him out for being ignorant about fashion. 😂

[@TheFlossyWitch]

Of course, they wear Prada

[@coor0kun]

I need to go to Diagon Alley to buy myself a B*tching Book now 😂😂😂

[@infpdreams]

Man, some people just stink at writing dialogue.

[@hollyhobgoblin8838]

As someone who studies medieval/early modern literature, I will say that part of the reason why his characters have such unnatural dialogue is because of genre convention. It was common for this type of student/teacher dialogue structure to be used for educational texts, so the content of the argument was typically deemed more important than how natural/authentic the speakers sounded. (Consider how unnatural some dialogue is in modern language learning courses, and you'll see that this sensibility still survives in some cases today.) That being said, I have read bird debates from the thirteenth century that had way better dialogue than this. So, part of it is that he just wasn't a very good writer lol.

[@infpdreams]

@@hollyhobgoblin8838 Oh yeah, I know, lol. It's strange how genres call for different things, even things that REALLY require some serious suspension of disbelief... But I guess it's even more jarring to hear how bad dialogue sometimes is in a lot of modern texts. But thanks for enthusing and sharing! I love hearing people talk about their passions! May your studies go well!

[@redvoltaire11]

You gotta hand it to him; that's some commitment to hating everything.

[@ediedbdbd7902]

The age thing is weird, but not completely unheard of. My grandmother, age 17, married a man who was a 35-year-old, never-married Episcopal priest--and this was in 1906! On another note, do you know anyone who can help me date a late-1920s/1930s photo from the clothing the women are wearing? They have on knickers and middy blouses with cloche hats.

[@Tribdinosaur]

Oh no, not the dreaded...STARCH!

[@Tribdinosaur]

33:35

[@M.Datura]

I love the "women are beautiful so they must be sinful" paralelled with who it is that calls them beautiful. Especially from people who claim that the most beautiful of all is divinely gifted or blessed. Double standard alert.

[@polinaignatenkova3634]

About the hair and seeking out blonde in particular; it might be because blonde can be died easier than trying to find a matching shade of brown? Only a guess.

[@embluvya]

"It should be AGAINST THE LAW for poors or anyone without a title to wear anything other than burlap sacks." This guy has issues and literally says that if you weren't born to nobility, god wants you to know your place and you shouldn't try to better your life or position through personal comforts like clothes

[@Ane_Rikke]

The really sad sad fact is because of religion- and certain mens way of interpreting it- women in Afghanistan TODAY are forbidden -by law- to sing (their voice so intimate it shall only be heard by her husband and family), forbidden to LOOK AT any men (so as not to entice them) (not even mentioning that they have to be completely covered by cloth in public, allowed school in girls only classes and only until 6th grade, wedded at young age and not by own choice etc.) It is SO infuriating- and makes my heart bleed for humanity… And as annoying and sad as your person from “back then” was - his legacy tragically still lives on today 🤯😢

[@arkiv7851]

whoa there bucko, cool it with the islamophobic incel remarks, the women of afghanistan are quite liberated and empowered

[@thedepthsofrepair]

Dude hates them because he couldn't get them out of his obsessed little head.

[@anastasialudwika]

This guy was some extremely insufferable creature.

[@chelseashurmantine8153]

Can you please please please read a Distant Mirror?

[@chelseashurmantine8153]

Or journal of the Plague Year?

[@nyves104]

💜💜💜💜

[@deirenne]

I love how he's like "Only in Anglia people are poisoned by fashion" my dude, have you seen 16th century Polish nobility and royalty? Have a look at queen Anna Jagiellonka and tell me how is queen Elizabeth I any worse? Look up "Polish magnates in 1576-1586" by Matejko, or any one person depicted there, Jan Zamojski, Sebastian Lubomirski, Katarzyna Lubomirska or Samuel Zborowski, they are all dressed in furs, silks, laces, damasks, brocades, pearls, gold and feathers, and I can assure you, a lot of it was imported, because everyone was flaunting wealth if they could afford it -- and some even when they couldn't and would end up in debt to just not look poor. It's not just England, it's human nature. He's adorable, this "everyone is dumb and evil but me" attitude is almost funny, I promise, even you can enjoy something in your life from time to time -- you could even *gasp* wear something nice that makes you feel pretty, you won't combust on the spot, I swear.

[@Genseago]

❤

[@SingBlueSilver-m7t]

OMG, this dude just screams Puritan. 😂

[@Heothbremel]

❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@leavoda3791]

It's disheartening to hear the same voice like today trying to shame people for being good looking.

[@agroshadowgoddess]

I swear nothing changes… all this guy needs is a M^G^ hat….

[@mr.honeycomb]

I do not like this guy.

[@faireduchemin]

Somebody wants a makeover montage real bad! I see why his wife died after three years. He probably stretched out all her clothes too.

[@lafregaste]

Unfortunately I only watched this now, at night, so, no dressing up, but on Friday I will 😂. I think, it is possible that he was either a travesty or a trans person, and in his envy or transphobia he was cruel with what he craved

[@lloydbradshaw6485]

Earl Grey tea hot with lemon please

[@JazzHands]

Goody Stubbes: husband! These devilish fashions are pissing me off! Go out there and wryte in GREAT DETAIL about all of englands fashion! And leave no detail out! How else will I be a dour, sour faced wife to you? *phillip stubbes gasps and races out the door, intent on documenting every vile garment in all of christendome* Phillip: Goody Stubbes! I hath brought you my tome! Goody Tubbes: get out, I’m going to pray. *she then lights a fire and pulls out her secret stash of pickled cucumbers, the sweetest candy like fruit of the era, and kicks up her feet on her bed while planning fashions she can wear when her ripe husband dies of old age*

[@susanneberry236]

It'll be nice to see a video instead of audio, Karolina Zebrowska.