The Diesel Story - How the EU Pretended to Fight Climate Change While Poisoning its Citizens

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[@CHRISTIEMALRYLIBRARY]

how about a breakdown of vegetable oil conversions possibly an environmentally better use for those old diesels

[@Eduardo_Espinoza]

I seems that the green trend just means money trend, I wonder if it applies to today's EVs

[@engineeringdisillusion]

You should do a separate video with how Euro regulations, FAP and GPF filters and environmental sensors work. It's basically a scam where to lower the count of smaller and smaller particulate diameter we make tighter and tighter filters(FAP and GPF) to lower the average diameter below that threshold. We're making smaller and smaller unmeasured particulate and then we inhale it, proud of our eco-achievements!

[@SeaJay_Oceans]

Only Bicycles & horses are biocompatable. Depopulation and Genocide of Europeans is the direct result of toxifying the environmemt.. All the farm shutdowns, fuel & power elimination, and World War 3 planning of NATO is part of Great Reset 2030 Event 2:1 50% population reduction plan developed in the 1990s by the eugenicists & globalists. Battery vehicles burn very hot & leaking batteries add toxins to water supplies. The Grstapo Censorship of real threats destroying human life and pousoning nature and our environmemt demonstrates collusion to commit hate crimes against humanity. Whuch is why censorship is evil.

[@KenFullman]

Here in the UK our government is trying to convince us that the drive for EVs is to save the environment. Yet at the same time, if we get a bicycle and fit an electric motor to it, we're breaking the law if that motor is capable of propelling the bicycle without peddling. Surely if they want to save the planet, they'd rather have us ride a bicycle with a tiny electric motor than a gas guzzling car. Apparently not.

[@mattmattmatt131313]

"I'm old enough to remember when paper bags were being blamed for the destruction of trees, and plastic bags were the solution." comes to mind.

[@mro9466]

Diesel polluted the air. Now it's time to pollute the earth with dead batteries!

[@vargaszilard2425]

This sentence is so spot on.

[@volvoproblems3567]

Ah, the old big Oil 'Look over there technique' Provide a solution that isn't a solution so you look like you are working towards tomorrow.

[@nicknevco215]

That crazy just like the 70's ice age scare

[@jannikheidemann3805]

Truth is, single use bags are the problem. Washable bags made from cotton or even better linnen or hemp would help to save a lot more trees and CO2. Euro notes are made out of that kind of material. They only take minimal wear damage from a ride in a washing machine and come out clean and sterile.

[@therealfakecaptain7978]

French Government 25 years ago : just buy a diesel bro, it's the real shit bro, it's super clean bro. French Government now : wow you're buying a diesel ? Are you trying to kill the planet or something ? Here, pay those extra fees you monster.

[@lsswappedcessna]

european governments: "ew you polluting monster, here's a morbillion euro fine for being a total piece of shit" european governments: *doing away with nuclear for whatever reason* european government officials: *flying across town in their private jet to get groceries because they don't want to be stuck in the same traffic or use the same stores as PEASANTS!*

[@Kevin-mx4vm]

French citizen: yes daddy 😞

[@FeelFree3]

While the government built massive nuclear plants, LOL.

[@victormiguelmontero136]

​@@FeelFree3 nuclear energy is the cleanest source of energy, sometimes even compared to renewable energy due to their effect on the surrounding or short life span

[@gg2324]

we got fucked hard with the tax hikes on diesel and the crit'air bullshit and now they've also increased taxes on ethanol, it used to be arround 0.80€ now it's around 1.3€

[@StabilisingGlobalTemperature]

I had a Peugeot 306 petrol 1.6 which had extraordinarily low emissions. At every MOT test it had 0.00% hydrocarbons and 0.00% carbon monoxide. I asked the MOT tester if they were using a faulty test machine, but he assured me it was fully calibrated. And the same at another garage too. But I occasionally drove into London. Because the car was too old, I would have to pay the clean air penalty. I contacted TFL and sent them a scan of the MOT test results. But they were completely unhelpful and illogical. So I bought a newer car that was permitted into the clean air zone. The irony is that the newer car does have higher emissions. Still quite low, but not zero. But because it was in a higher emissions category (simply because it was built at a later date) it is allowed into the zone. Madness really.

[@nicky5185]

I wonder whether re-registering the car and going through all the certification steps would allow you to keep the car and not having to pay ULEZ.

[@StabilisingGlobalTemperature]

@@nicky5185 I sold the car 5 years ago. But yes TFL told me that the manufacturer would need to re-certify it at the higher emissions standard. But why would they for a car they no longer manufactured? The point is that I had proof that the car was very low polluting but TFL were unable to acknowledge the proof that I gave them. Scans of several MOT test results. I never had a car with zero pollutants before or since. The garage mechanic said that engine was very good regarding harmful emissions. I refuse to have a diesel car, due to them being smelly. I have never owned one.

[@ankhlee6283]

Well, you just did what was desired to do. Ditch a property you already own in order to buy a new one. Buying things is good for governments, specially cars, as it shows a good economy.

[@imrileth6618]

Damn, hearing all the weird car tax schemes from around the europe makes me appreciate finlands car taxing. Gasoline cars are really favored here in taxing and it doesnt make that much difference if its old or new. 1.4liter 1999 gas car has 250€ per year and my 1.6 2013 peugeot is taxed at 200€. And 2.1liter diesel from 2004 is taxed at 710€.

[@MagalaxeurDETER]

You are also living in a place where you're allowed to get a hybrid porsche cayenne with twin turbo V8 and 800hp, without worrying for entering in the zero emission areas or paying additional taxes. But if you're just a loser who can only afford a 10 years old 308 diesel, then you're the worst criminal.

[@thereggaeinstitute]

EU blaming the Diesel engine for CO2 emissions, while their politicians fly from Bruxelles to Strasbourg three times a week with a jet.

[@Dondolini94]

And they dump wastes in places like senegal, where people wander burning dumpsters searching for a bit of copper to earn couple dollars at best.

[@HongOuMandel44]

Do you realize that as bad as it may be ethically for some politician or superstar to fly their planes uselessly, there is no comparison with the impact of carelessly influencing the choices of nearly a billion people? Stop being driven only by your hearts, because politicians know well how to do populism! Inform, there is a massive amount of informative videos such as this one online! And if you dont want to inform on complicated stuff that doesnt interest you (i get it), trust science! Trust who makes of scienze its flag!

[@Bolmer1]

Rich and politician emission are peanuts compared to the over consumption that the general population does. Yes, powerful people should be mandated to be better but the planet is not going to support this for much more time.

[@zoldfulu8102]

You clearly did not understand the the whole thing. Diesels were subsidised for low co2. But their other emissions (notably no2) are higher. CO2 and local air quality are two different things.

[@grapesodabanked]

They even take the car to cross the street in Brussels to avoid all possible contact with the people they oppress.

[@Stef.Cata051]

Germany has really weird policies when it comes to diesels, I own a small transport company(I'm not from Germany but we pass trough it almost daily)and we own euro 6 trucks (more specifically MAN TGX with the d26 engine) from 2015-2017, this year Germany introduced legislation which saw the increase in taxation for all trucks but most importantly they increased taxation for trucks older than 5 years. I wouldn't mind it but the new trucks are still euro 6 and not different from my own euro 6 trucks, even the parts are fully interchangeable and according to the CoC (certificate of conformity) there is no difference in emissions between old and new trucks. What is the difference in taxation? A 2017 euro 6 truck pays 0.33-0.36€/km while a 2020 euro 6 truck pays 0.28 €/km. This caused massive logistics company to replace their fleet of euro 6 trucks with brand new euro 6 trucks resulting in a insignificant difference in pollution from traffic and an increased pollution from manufacturing. More over, euro 7 emissions standards have been postponed in favor of electric trucks. Which are more expensive, can't do what my old diesels can( Here I mean range, a standard tgx in my fleet has a range of around 3000km meanwhile the electric ones 300-500km) and there is no infrastructure at all for these units. I'm not even sure if we will have euro 7 trucks considering that all manufacturers constantly advertise and talk about curent and future electric vehicles and nothing is mentioned about euro 7. Also LNG trucks started to show up, suffering mostly from the lack of infrastructure. I tried biodiesel for a while in order to reduce my fleets carbon footprint but biodiesel ruins filters and injectors like there is no tomorrow, the funny bit is that my grandparents have an old tractor U650 that can happily run on cooking oil making it quite eco friendly while newer diesel vehicles struggle to do so

[@pararera6394]

MAN is from Germany. Only explanation is to increase truck sales.

[@Stef.Cata051]

@pararera6394 yeah, that's obvious but they are making it about the environment and I think that's not genuine. Also I gave MAN as an example because that's what I own but it's the same regardless of the brand

[@Danis8Pastry]

It’s all about power and the peoples submission to it. Not about the environment.

[@peekaboo1575]

Step 1) Create a problem. Step 2) Give yourself more money to fix said problem. Step 3) Repeat.

[@heinzhaupthaar5590]

We've got the most incompetent and corrupt government I've seen in my lifetime right now in Germany, and I'm getting pretty old these days. There's lots of legislation and regulations all under the guise of climate or environmental protection - but they're all deeply flawed and usually even fundamentally implausible to the very core. The driver behind it is lobbyism, other forms of corruption - but mostly nonsensical ideology and outright idiocy & utter incompetence. Our secretary of commerce doesn't even know industry electricity/energy rates or what a f'ng bankruptcy is. He - by his own admission - doesn't care for Germany very much anyway and thinks liking your native country is disgusting. That's more or less verbatim btw. Who could've known they'll fck everything up and fulfill their dream of crippling deindustrialization and "green degrowth" on the back of the general population and to the benefit of the very wealthy and entities like Blackrock. I wouldn't even be surprised anymore if you'd tell me they're trying to enforce truckers to inhale their own farts via mandatory @$$ to mouth device to "safe the planet", it's disgraceful and outright ridiculous.

[@mystery_pond]

I find it a shame that consumers who purchased diesel cars in the last 20 years are now punished by governments with extra charges for low-emission zones due to the governments' own failure to ensure that suitable regulations were in place for these vehicles. This has especially disrupted the second-hand market here in the UK; 5-20 year old diesels are cheap and can be found a dime a dozen, while a huge number of petrol cars from the same period have doubled, tripled or more in price as the supply slowly dwindles away as they all move to London, its surrounding areas, and other cities beginning to implement LEZs. (Edited to add) As people seem to have resorted to attacking me with insults in the replies, I would like to mention: First, I have always driven petrol and have no desire past or future to drive a diesel. Second, even if that weren't the case, throwing around insults provides zero value to the discussion, so before writing one I suggest that you instead spend your time reflecting on the reality in which we all live. Should mistakes be treated with empathy and openly discussed with the aim of learning and improvement, or should they be ridiculed, publicly decrying those who made them, for nothing but a good ego-stroking?

[@tedarcher9120]

That's great for us country bumpkins tho. Can pick up a diesel Bentley for a couple thou

[@hansturpyn5455]

Secundhand Diesels are extremely underpriced now, do to the higher taxes on them. The market equels itself out. For now we have the luxury to buy old diesels from 10-15-20years back but we will run out of them in 5-10 years and then we will be fucked. So buy one and store it if you can for the future. Price and demand will skyrocket.

[@jakebatty530]

It's indeed sad how the governments fuck up has affect so many people negatively I had a crash in march and had to go look for another car, I have only ever driven petrols Anyway I was considering getting a VW Scirocco as a friend used to have one and it was really nice, went well, looked good etc, that was a 2.0 petrol So I went online set filters to VW Scirocco with roughly 80 mile radius from me and then had a look There were I think a little more than 100 results for listings, and out of them, maybe 10 or so were petrol, and they were all older, non newer than 2010 and higher mileage, over 100k the diesels were a mix of decent milage, like 60-110k and newer year, between I think 2008 and 2015 I then looked at other makes and models and realised people are clearly having to get rid of their non ulez compliant diesel

[@mystery_pond]

@@jakebatty530 Yep, that's exactly what I'm worried about. I've also only ever driven petrols and it's only a matter of time before my old car breaks down or is written off in a crash, and I shudder to think of having to go through the same thing. Hopefully you can find a decent one for an okay-ish price.

[@uosiumen]

That sucks, but how do you want to get rid of NOx emissions while NOx emitters are favoured?

[@patdurt023]

In some countries. Mine included, the government incentivised scrappage schemes, offering people €2000-3000 to scrap their petrol cars to buy diesels. A lot of good cars got scrapped for nothing.

[@ptamog]

The story repeats these years the other way around

[@lassepeterson2740]

@@ptamog And soon the governments will decide that they want all battery vehicles off the road . Rinse and repeat until everyone is broke . Diesel will always be needed for the militaries ready to fight each other .

[@realms4219]

Kept the 2nd hand market prices high too.

[@ptamog]

@lassepeterson2740 Yep. Whe should consider electric cars appliances with a design life of ~10 years. Governments will probably find too dangerous aftermarket battery replacement.

[@KeithZim]

Oh it was definitely done for a reason. It was done to make billions in profits for the auto industry.. They did the same thing here except it was just any old car. "Cash for Clunkers" ......

[@xyouthe]

so basically the reason why diesel engines are so big in europe is much similar to the reason why trucks and SUVs are so big in the US: industries wanting to push it.

[@jasondashney]

Yes. It's yet again and "environmental" policy that was actually about industrial money. Shocker. In Canada, our terrible finance minister was on record years ago, saying that the carbon tax was simply about increasing government revenues.

[@xyouthe]

@@jasondashney in america they push trucks and SUVs with the idea of "safety" behind them. if youre in the heavier, bigger car, you'll be safer in the accident! oh, but dont you dare think about what might happen to the person you collide with, though. its un-american to think about anyone but yourself when you have an SUV.

[@DerGyrosPitaFan]

@@xyouthe that's the reasoning nowadays but originally it started because the emission regulations were more lax towards SUVs since they were meant to be for work only

[@coltonkay9000]

​@DerGyrosPitaFan Yup trucks (I'm pretty sure SUVs are classified as trucks) are exempted from quite a few regulations and additional taxes.

[@flashbeaster]

​@@coltonkay9000☝️ that right there what he speaks is the truth, trucks are tax exempt in the US

[@WeisswindDragon]

"I hope that this time around the governments are motivated by the interest of their citizens and environment" That's a good one 😂

[@jansebesta3112]

They are not. In this case, they tried to help European manufacturers against cheap chinese competition. But it already shows this doesn't work, as for electric vehicles, there is not much know-how to be transferred from ICE vehicles production and so it was even easier for the Chinese to overtake us in this as well.

[@classicalextremism]

Ya, I was going to say "keep hoping and dreaming". You'd think the lesson to be learned was not to trust the experts and politicians, but instead trust the wisdom of the masses. But no, lets subsidize slave labor in cobalt mines to finance a new generation of wealth transfer as we build a new and redundant energy system that accomplishes nothing but waste.

[@ghoulbuster1]

Governments only listen to Isreal

[@mry82]

yep :(

[@workdesu]

i really lol'ed at that one 😂😂💀

[@leslieaustin151]

Your skepticism is well placed. Politicians care nothing for the people, only for themselves. As an ex-mechanic I remember the nonsense spoken by politicians when they wanted to shift diesel fuels. “Clean diesels” was the cry, but that was always rubbish. Politicians rarely know or understand any technical information, they only understand what keeps them in power and increases their own income. Thank you for this and your other videos. Les in UK 🇬🇧

[@alessandro3139]

Politicians do care for people that are working for and that, unfortunately, are not the same people who votes for them.

[@fukkitful]

@@alessandro3139 I know it's not possible and will never happen but.... I strongly believe being a politician should be similar to being a Buddhist Monk. No owning property or having money. Removing the chance of them being "bought" will increase the chance they do what's best for their people. Hopefully. Also if they have a spouse, their income should be public. Can't have someone like Pelosi's husband, making millions on insider information for her.

[@C_R_O_M________]

Great comment!

[@C_R_O_M________]

@@alessandro3139 then vote for politicians who advocate for the elimination of such crony relationships. A certain newly elected President in a Latin American country, comes to mind. P.S. At the same time pursue PERSONAL SOLUTIONS which will make you independent and in no need of assistance from political scumbags.

[@rationalityfirst]

VIVA LA LIBERTAD CARAJO!

[@pest2133]

The amount of times "focusing on environment" has been just a marketing gimmick that backfires massively is insane

[@ZoomStranger]

Great - only three comments in to find someone labelling something "insane" . That's next level.

[@silvereagle404]

yes, electric cars comes to mind

[@McLarenMercedes]

@@silvereagle404 False. While not as convenient and not as cheap (yet) it's not even a question over which pollutes more over a 20 year lifespan. Here's what you fail to see: The day somebody invents a highly-efficient battery ICE cars go the way of the dodo. *You can't stop development* . Too many of you seem to believe nothing will change. The reason? You're *aging* and can't keep up. Now you can live in myth lala-land all you want but the consumers will have the final say in the end. And unlike you most consumers aren't myopic chimps. Creatures-of-habit perhaps but not chimps. Where in the world do you live pray tell? In some places time stands still. It's a good guess you've never travelled around much either.

[@nottomclancy2439]

@@ZoomStranger Tell me it's not completely insane lol... 🤡🤡🤡

[@tsugumorihoney2288]

now whole elecric vehicle lobbying come in mind, we already know that lithium requere are lot of water to produce, and cobalt mainly dug by kids in Kongo

[@sweis12]

The volkswagen 1.9 alh was the peak of diesel engines (sold in the us from 99-03 tdi) . We dont get many diesel engines here . I upgraded the fuel injectors and got a tune that went from 90 hp to 160 hp, and went from 42mpg to 47mpg . It was an incredible car .

[@BigUriel]

The problem fundamentally is that politicians know nothing about the technologies they legislate on. Someone told them CO2 is bad, Diesel emits less CO2, so Diesel it is. Engineers had known about NOx and particulate emissions for decades but no one in charge of making the laws actually cared, nor did they care about the obvious fact that despite the European emissions standards becoming stricter and stricter there were several papers out proving that in real driving conditions Euro 5 cars didnt' even meet Euro 2 emissions standards and NOx emissions had not gone down at all since the 90s. For a period public preference was also a factor, around the 2000s a combination of new high pressure fuel injection systems and turbocharging made Diesels very attractive from a real world performance perspective, it wasn't until several years later that turbocharged gasoline engines started becoming more widespread. Perfect example is the Alfa 147 shown in the video, other than the very expensive top of the range GTA model the most powerful gasoline engine available was a naturally aspirated 2l with 150hp and 180Nm, but you could get a 1.9l Diesel with up to 170hp and 330Nm, and a cheap remap would see it making over 200hp easily.

[@gregorymalchuk272]

We need to stop ratcheting emissions standards. Both gasoline engines and diesel engines are about as clean as they could possibly be without destroying the economics of the petroleum fueled transportation fleet. But of course, that is the goal of the communist central planners.

[@0megalul309]

business majors ruin environments

[@nikfr]

the goal wasn't the co2 reduction, but selling a product that energy industries couldn't sell, diesel, the politicians to justify the public spending they say that the goal was to reduce co2. as stated in the video

[@swxqt6826]

It baffles me that people who make laws never need to have expertise within the relevant subjects, and how society simply never learns from these mistakes.

[@davemccage7918]

The real problem is that China, India (and the rest of the developing world) don’t give a single f$*k about the environment and they are among the largest producers of Co2 emissions due to their massive populations. Can’t say I blame them either, it’s hard to be concerned about green house gases with your just trying to get to work or keep your home warm.

[@hansmuller23]

The key advantage is not emphasized: Diesel engines are incredibly energy efficient. 4 liters/100 km are common. Thus a normal tank can drive a car over 1000 km. This is why many people like diesel engines. Because a lot of people commute and require a lot of fuel.

[@llomellamomario]

Indeed, that is my only regret picking a petrol car. I do have ~40km each way of commute, and the 6.5-7l per 100km of my peugeot 206 truly are outshined by the 4-5km per 100k of some diesel engines. Especially considering there is a 16 cents per liter difference in favor of diesel. A week is ~400km, meaning it is 20l for a diesel at 5l per 100, while 28l for petrol at 7l per 100km (mostly highways) from the closest gas station to me, it is 1.7euros per liter of petrol, and 1.54 euros per liter of diesel. Per week, diesel comes out as 20*1.54= 30.8 euros, and for petrol it comes at 28*1.7= 47.6 euros. Per week, the difference becomes 47.6-30.8 = 16.8 euros a week. In other words, for two weeks worth of petrol, I get 3 weeks of fuel worth of diesel. Sure, maintenance will hit me sooner or later, but it isn't like is 50% cheaper to maintain a petrol car either. In other words, I took the big L by choosing petrol. Sure emisisons and all that. But I don't get a wage where i can make the enviroment or public general health issues a priority.

[@oimazzo2537]

About adoption this video is kind of bs. It was waaaaaaaay cheaper and with most things it's what ultimately mattered in the diesel adoption

[@bobdebouwer7835]

Diesel simply has more energy per liter vs gasoline. So it's not the engine but the fuel that gives the car long range.

[@qqww2741]

​@@bobdebouwer7835 And the high compression, which makes it more efficient.

[@NzeRekoRec]

​@oimazzo2537 Are we watching the same video? Yes, it was cheaper and more convenient...because of the lax regulations and subsidies achieved by lobbying..

[@Zippsterman]

Those nuclear power protests in Germany are such a weird thing to think about now that nuclear has proven itself to be hugely safer and more environmentally friendly than any fossil fuel

[@d4a]

Im not against nor pro nuclear, but it's uindeaniable that the safety of nuclear was achieved partly by learning from very expensive and very painful mistakes with very long-lasting consequences. The ever increasing safety standards have made nuclear power far more expensive and complex than it used to be. As most things, it's too complicated to draw simple conclusions.

[@derbruzzler7574]

It may be weird for some , but imagine if the wind blew in direction of tokyo when Fukushima blew up. This conversation would be a different one. The other thing is, mushrooms and wild animals where i live are still contaminated with C137 from Tchernobyl to this day. Maybe this changes the point of view on this topic. Sure its clean when everything goes as planned, and is handled responsively. But the accidents in the past and the horrible pollution in some countries show how its handled in the real world.

[@mskiptr]

It's hilarious that coal plants emit way more radioactivity to the environment than nuclear plants

[@diapozitīvs]

@@derbruzzler7574 It'd be interesting to compare - one nuclear accident output of harm Vs daily harm from burning consumables for hundreds of years globally. Nuclear with all of Fukushima's, Chernobyl's and Kyshtym's could still be greener, although having a devastating and very noticeable effect on immediate surroundings. More harm from nuclear has come from poor management and competency, rather than the nucleus itself.

[@rian0xFFF]

While China going hard to get fusion nuclear energy, almost free energy

[@arturbieniek6360]

No, the EU hasn't learnt any lesson. They are forcing EVs the exact same way. Most of the electric cars produced 15 years ago are unable to drive and probably already on the scrapyard. 25+ year old Diesel and petrol Golfs and BMWs still drive without problems. (I for myself own a 27yo petrol Tico and the engine works like it's brand new) Also, the EURO norms and clean air zones are absurd - my 27yo Tico has like Euro2 or something, but if you look at the emissions data on paper, it could possibly have EURO6 without a problem, just because the engine is so small and burns small amounts of fuel, that emissions are very low. But as it doesn't, I will not be allowed into the "clean air" zone. On the other hand, a freaking 3.5 ton SUV/pickup burning 20-30L/km of Diesel is OK just because it has EURO6 and will be allowed into the zone.

[@smigi3300]

It was never about emission norms or saving the planet. It's about gaining more control and increasing income at the detriment of the people.

[@mistymu8154]

"Most of the electric cars produced 15 years ago are unable to drive and probably already on the scrapyard" - I don't know how you come to that conclusion. There are several original Tesla Model S out there on their original battery with hundreds of thousands of miles still running. There are still plenty of old Nissan Leaf's out there, granted they have terrible range because they didn't start with much to start off with and they have terrible battery management and cooling, but people are still using them as cheap second hand commuting cars. There will also be more and more third party repairers and mechanics who will be able to start repairing battery cells. Typically if a battery goes bad or has heavy degradation then it doesn't need a whole new battery, it is usually a bad cell which is significantly cheaper than a new battery. Those 25+ year old diesel and petrol cars will have had thousands spent on maintenance, servicing, and repairs. The EV has less components and moving parts so there should be less maintenance and the main thing, the battery, more mechanics should be able to repair them in the future and the prices of batteries continue to fall.

[@arturbieniek6360]

@@mistymu8154 the Leafs are an essential example of how electric cars become e-waste, also if the bottom of the car is damaged in an accident, then the costs of an official repair are often higher than the actual repair. Yes there are examples of Teslas still driving after a long time, but there are also examples of people who did a million miles with a Tesla and it's their fourth engine

[@hambster9759]

​@@arturbieniek6360 your reply doesnt say anything. EVs are much better for the environment than what fossil driven cars will ever be even if i take ur non factual claims at face value. (Refereeing to reply not original comment)

[@mistymu8154]

@@arturbieniek6360 There are also examples of gas cars doing a million miles on one engine and there are other examples of them on their fourth engine. I agree, some of the earliest EVs weren't great with a poor range and bad battery management, but the technology has come a long way since then. I think the average EV that has done 200,000 miles has about 14% battery degradation, so if your vehicle has a 300 mile range, you will still have 250+ mile range after 200,000 miles. I just don't think there is any evidence to suggest that EVs can't be or aren't already just as durable and long-lasting as the gas equivalent.

[@Eebens]

older diesel cars (before dpf, adblue etc.) were perhaps the greatest thing the car and oil lobbyists achieved in terms of customer satisfaction. Back in the day the existence of cheap and reliable diesel cars literally helped people avoid poverty.

[@fredfred2363]

So completely true!

[@Mgoblagulkablong]

even back then small petrol / gasoline powered cars cost much less than diesels people bought diesel bc of the torque from the turbocharger, not bc of cost

[@toshobg]

^ this. also I think diesel was cheaper 20-30 years ago and there were diesel cars with less consumption per km.

[@tsugumorihoney2288]

@@toshobg so in early 2000s diesel cost like 10-20% less then gasoline, and car consumption were like another 20-40% less

[@chrispark4310]

Yup, cars which lasted, no much maintenance and economical.

[@yinbaro]

I love this type of videos where you go over more broad themes about the car industry, they are very well researched, written and educational. Very good work!

[@matsv201]

The issue is that almost everything stated is wrong. For example, calmed multiple time that Diesel got more leanest emission standards. Not true. While the NOx standard was somewhat more leanient for deisel cars, the CO standard was significantly more leanest for petrol cars. The CO standard between 2006 and 2024 for petrol cars is 100% higher. But the Nox standard for diesel cars are 33% higher. Also NMHC standard for petrol cars have only ever been updated once. On top of that the claim that the tax for diesel cars was lowered is very missleading. while true. They where lowered compare to prior tax that was far higher than for petrol cars.

[@aymenninja8120]

for making OPEC as an Arab organisation which is totally wrong , I need to double check every single fact he mentioned now.

[@ShadefixTheone]

@@matsv201 what bothered me the most is at 12:30 where he says it "because of these reasons it makes it cheaper for manufacturers to develop diesel engines. " It kinda just felt throughout the video he doesn't really know anything about diesel engines. i usually enjoy his videos somewhat. this isn't one of them.

[@matsv201]

@@ShadefixTheone well. I would say a lot of say "car people" have a anti diesel bias. But ask this simple question. Should trucks and tractors go back to petrol? I se it lile this. Large stuff that is run a lot = diesel Small stuff that is run less = electric Anything between. Petrol. Its also worth saying that moder gas engines is almost diesel engines. A jet engine is basicallt a linear diesel engine.

[@fredfred2363]

@matsv201... OMG! Someone who actually understands. 100% agree.

[@장진진-d8o]

Thanks for the great video! As a Korean, this is very impressive content for me. My government had been encouraging diesel vehicles for 10 years, even using the word 'clean diesel'. Now, the government has designated a zone in Seoul where diesel cars are not allowed to drive. Diesel car owners are not criminals, they are just complying with the regulations.

[@pintiliecatalin]

I don't know about Korea but in Europe some of them are. Disabling your DPF is quite common issue. For that reason alone diesels should be banned.

[@mikelemoine4267]

@@pintiliecatalin You can't realistically punish all people for the actions of a few. It's not that hard to tell when the DPF is disabled as the car tends to smoke on acceleration, while a emissions intact model will not. There is also a very noticeable difference in the smell of the exhaust. Here in the US our EPA has been increasing enforcement including going after the people who sell the aftermarket tunes and bypass components. In some states like California, they got the customer list of a tuner and forced the owners to take the vehicles to the dealer to replace the components with brand new OEM parts before they could renew the car registration. Dealers can be fined tens of thousands of dollars for selling a car with modified emission controls and there have been cases where people have gotten a "visit" from the EPA after posting about modifications online or mentioning them in a private sales advert. The thing I dislike about our EPA is that they are hyper-focused on emissions ratios versus total emissions. Even decades ago the VW Beetle stopped being sold here because the air cooled engine could not meet our emissions limits. At the same time, you could buy a Cadillac land yacht with an 8.x liter V8 that got dingle digit mileage (roughly 29 L per Km) was considered compliant, despite emitting roughly 10 times the amount of harmful combustion byproducts. Today they are still focused on PPM emissions yet don't say a word when manufacturers make half of the engine out of plastic which guarantees early failure followed by a millennia in the landfill, all while using more oil to make and transport the replacement parts that should not have failed to begin with. It seems that if we made cars to last, operate as cleanly and reliably as possible, take steps to reduce congestion (smarter light timing, incentives for transporting outside of rush hours, etc.) and perhaps covered car parking areas with solar panels and trees could make a real impact without wrecking the economy and causing unintended consequences. Common sense in legislation seems to be non-existent.

[@pintiliecatalin]

Thr thing is that doesel was pushed nu legislators and because of that certain issues were ignored. For example actually measuring NOx and particles for diesel, a thing wich baffeled even some owners when they found out. Because manu bought diesels for their lower consumption but where also under the impression that they poluted less. That is why i agreen 100% with this video. Many where actuallu tricked into buying diesel.

[@abdul-kabiralegbe5660]

​@@mikelemoine4267 Great points raised. However I'm a bit sceptical that there'll be any scenario where everyone wins. As with most things in life, there's always an opportunity cost. The question is if it will be considered acceptable. Other than that, I totally agree with you.

[@mikelemoine4267]

@@abdul-kabiralegbe5660 Very true, opportunity cost is something that will always apply and of course what is acceptable by some won't be acceptable by others. On top of that, it's usually the wealthy and powerful get to determine what is acceptable, so the worker bees will likely get the short end of the stick.

[@whismerhillgaming]

my dad actually chose diesel for the longer range, during vacations we would travel a lot, and the longer range allowed to NOT take fuel on highways which is notoriously more expensive

[@robertwoodhouse-bm7kt]

25 years ago I worked in Brussels for awhile almost every car was a diesel. People would spend a fortune on an expensive BMW or Mercedes but insist on a diesel version as diesel was cheaper than petrol. Now I´m retired in Portugal my petrol BMW is a rarity on the road, I had to buy it in Germany, the local dealer only had diesel in their used car department.

[@vascoribeiro69]

With the taxes on fuels, the choice for long runners is still diesel as they are, in theory, very economical. My Mercedes can make as low as 3,5l/100km with moderate driving. Otherwise, I would drive a petrol/gasoline hybrid.

[@santostv.]

There’s plenty of old bmw’s that are petrol, new ones I think are hibrid, no matter what never buy a new/newish car in Portugal,always import it from Germany 😂 Diesel cars are more economical and fuel is cheaper unless you buy a lpg Dacia.

[@CamperKev]

The world runs on diesel and it will continue that way, well into the future. That includes the mining industry, agriculture, manufacturing and transportation. The trucking industry, freight trains, tractors and mighty cargo ships. Everything we do each day around the world, is highly related to diesel. Without diesel, the world economies would collapse and people would starve.

[@pararera6394]

Ships don't use diesel since it's too expensive. They use Heavy fuel oil(called mazut).

[@LoremIpsum1970]

@@pararera6394 Depends on the size of the ship, but for mass transportation of goods, yes.

[@SerbanCMusca-ut8ny]

Thank you for speaking the truth and reminding people the limits of gasoline engines mean diesel engines are here to stay and that without them people would starve.

[@victorbarberis2603]

bro wake up

[@patricklopes-vtec]

Do you mean steam and alcohol and electricity and water and wind and sun and coal? Yep, the 19th century turns back to the 21st as a continuation, but in a healthier way.

[@SMVB-cl6oc]

I like the video essay style production. Id be very interested in more of these.

[@mrmrmrcaf7801]

25 years ago, gas cars consumed twice as much as diesel cars...I remember perfectly because I commuted daily and diesel was cheaper than gasoline. Even today, if I were commuting like in the past, I wouldn't even think of taking anything other than a diesel. I used to go from Vienna to Munich several times a week for 15 years and I only drove BMW 5 series diesels, my last one was a F10 BMW 520d and I remember that it consumed 4.5l per 100km on this route (52MPG for you Americans) and my colleagues in their petrol cars consumed twice as much. It's not bad for a luxury boat to commute and as far as I can remember, I was making 2 trips back and forth with a full tank...around 1500-1600 km, from my house to the office was a little up to 400 km.

[@otm646]

People forget this. I own a w115 300D with the naturally aspirated om617. I get 17 if not 19 MPG out of it all day long. Similarly sized American cars of the era got 12 MPG and you're not stuck driving in a super econo box like a Mk1 Golf (which I also had).

[@leeroyjenkins0]

Yeah, there's a reason all long-haul trucks are diesel.

[@zkljaja]

@@otm646 That thing was a fuel guzzler for the performance it offered. People in Balkans all swapped 200d's in it and sacrificet little performance it had for economy

[@martinlintzgy1361]

I own a euro6 bmw520d, and can verify a fuel consumption of 56mpg (uk), travelling 1,400 km on a tankful of fuel. It's my 2nd 520d, and in 15 years of owning, I have had zero problems with engines. The engine is not noisy like the one shown in this video, it's quieter than any petrol car I have ever owned. Best of all is the power, relaxed low end torque at 2,500 rpm, Instead of a petrol engine screaming at 5000 rpm while overtaking. My next car will be another diesel. Unfortunately, it will have to be a newer 2nd hand one in a few years' time.

[@otm646]

@@zkljaja The drop from 80 horsepower to 55 is substantial. Remember in the US they were running automatics on the 3 liters and they'll cruise at 85 MPH all day long. The 55 horsepower is a 200D might be ok in the Balkans but that's a 100% no go in the States.

[@shiekhwaleedmiral-protein2819]

Not the first time politicians, bureaucrats, generals and corporations got rich off the common man's tax money.

[@photon6668]

That's why I stopped giving a damn about the environmental policies :) they are designed to protect somebody's income, not the environment.

[@shiekhwaleedmiral-protein2819]

@@photon6668 true

[@mernokimuvek]

The evil bureaucratic eu also banned fluorescent lamps last year so I hoard all of them that i can find. I will never use ugly boring chinese L*Ds. Plasma is the king, solid state is boring.

[@SilverScarletSpider]

elon musk is doing the exact same scam with telsa ev’s

[@chadmagnus5850]

And not the last. This is why I stopped caring for environmental policies. I protect the environment by not littering and disposing my trash as suggested by the garbage disposal companies.

[@antonio_fosnjar]

I'm from one European country and almost everyone I know owns a diesel and practically half of them have dissabled their DPF filters because they fail after around 100k km and it's just to expensive to replace them. Even my low mileage Mercedes that has ADblue had a sensor break that literally software dissabled my car from driving until I just had it turn off in the software because Mercedes was asking 3k$ for a fix.

[@krashd]

They only fail if not maintained, like anything else really.

[@Fragile-s-junktube]

Eastern Europe I reckon

[@antonio_fosnjar]

@Fragile-s-junktube Bingo. We aren't that undeveloped for a country but people just seem to not care and a lot of people just bribe the car inspectors to let them pass. I've driven behind few cars where the smoke and smell was so bad I had to turn off the AC, there's no way these would fly in any wester European country.

[@antonio_fosnjar]

@krashd They ALL fail, after 150k km it's up to luck how much longer it will last for. Maybe they were designed for the life of the vehicle but only in lab tests and perfect fuel economy, which definitely isn't the case in the real world

[@Fragile-s-junktube]

@@antonio_fosnjar So... Croatia? 🤣 Anything car related in Croatia is ass backwards, be it second hand prices, rigorous laws and obvious violations of the same if you have friends in the right places etc.

[@80s_kid.]

in Europe, petrol is way more expensive due to high tax charges, so people started to buy diesel cars, but about 20 years ago, the governments noticed then put the diesel prices up, people started mixing diesel with cooking oil, because cooking oil was cheap, then (as you can guess) the governments figured out what was going on, so they put the prices of cooking oil up.

[@gerhardvaneeden5615]

They would tax the air we breathe if they could get away with it. Scumbags, the lot of them!

[@Stringboiler]

"Yeah, but that's cooking oil =)"

[@Mandorle21]

What are you talking about?? 🤣🤣🤣

[@chadmagnus5850]

Yes. It was crazy. My country's government ordered cops to stop and sniff at diesel cars exhausts to see if they use cooking oil. If they found one, you could get fined for over a hundred thousand forints. It was an insane period.🤡

[@chadmagnus5850]

@@Mandorle21 It's an actual thing you can do. My dad did it too, to his diesel cars, when cooking oil prices were low. Just add some to your diesel fuel as an additive, like engine oil and it could save you quite a buck, back then.

[@medos3]

I’ve never come across your channel before, but this was an excellent video. Your analysis of Europe’s diesel engine incentives and their negative outcomes was enlightening. I’ll definitely be watching more of your content. Keep up the good work!

[@lordlazerface5704]

Governments don’t learn lessons.

[@grizwoldphantasia5005]

Oh, they learn lessons alright, but the wrong ones.

[@Paciat]

Lol, governments? More like people are to stupid to understand that state control is the most corrupt thing on earth. Myths like 'national socialism isnt socialism' are alive and well today.

[@ianalderton6683]

people don't learn lessons . . .

[@abstractspaces8186]

The governments got exactly what they wanted because they satisfied the lobbyists. It's up to the voters to call them on their bullshit.

[@hoedenbesteller]

You should always trust your government.. they know what is best for you, right?

[@shingosshojiopoulos6608]

Greece is one of the few european countries where diesel cars weren't popular in the 1990s,2000s and 2010s . Actually, diesel cars are nowadays more popular than ever since 95 petrol can cost anywhere from 1.8-1.9 euros per liter while diesel costs like 1.6 euros

[@toyotaprius79]

Athens, famous for its crisp and healthy air quality

[@shingosshojiopoulos6608]

@@toyotaprius79 nowadays its way better than during the 80s and 90s , especially with the "ring"

[@ujiltromm7358]

For the Freedom Units users: 1.8 €/L = 7.4 €/gal 1.6 €/L = 6.56 €/gal Just apply the current conversion rate for the actual dollar cost at the time of reading.

[@spvrda]

​@@toyotaprius79 Did you watch the video?

[@McBeamer94]

Yes, diesel was banned in the early 80s in Athens, for reducing the smog. It made plenty of sense back then, since diesel engines weren't as advanced as they are now. But this ban ended in ca. 2011.

[@thomaswilding8818]

I didn't realize they lowered compression ratios to meet emission standards. Very useful.

[@silentIm]

​​@TurnipstalkAlso, with boost increase and lowering temperature by intercooler, air density is higher, therefore more oxygen. We cant cool incoming air once the air enters the cylinder.

[@gregorymalchuk272]

​@TurnipstalkWhat was the static compression ratio of that testbed engine? I bet it was very low. How did you manage to start the engine with the static CR so low and no boost when cranking to start?

[@SimonCoates]

If you are interested have a look at Mazda's SkyActiv-D ultra-low compression diesel engine, it has very low emissions achieved by using low compression. Whilst Mazda have lowered the compression ratio of their diesels they have increased it for petrol engines, both being around 14:1. They still make some quirky engines with very interesting design.

[@krtacct]

5.8 bar of boost, poor head gaskets.

[@imnotusingmyrealname4566]

5.8 bar sounds like a nightmare for component lifespan.

[@DrPowerElectronics]

I have a hybrid and it turns in around 4.5L per 100km and better than that on the Highway. It is silent when stopped, pretty silent quite often and has great acceleration. Of course a BMW diesel will beat it off the lights but that’s to do with rear wheel drive. This is our second hybrid and I have never owned a diesel as I was s cyclist and I hate the fumes, particulates and maintenance of a diesel. I did borrow my friends AMG Mercedes’ for a long drive and it was a great drive though, so the video is spot on. 👏

[@lk-music]

I have two cars. One diesel 1.5dci, one petrol 0.9tce, both have 50 litre fuel tanks (they're the same manufacturer & model, just different engines). When I fill the petrol, the range says ~400 miles, when I fill the diesel, the range says ~800 miles. Isn't it obvious why people would choose diesel?

[@kubizdalis101]

Diesel acts as a lubricant, so there's less friction hence less wear so the engine lasts longer.

[@ViniciusConsorte]

@@kubizdalis101 parts are stronger to sustain the added pressures from compression and turbochargers. The built quality is higher, plain and simple. But... is it worth the added maintenance cost when some fuel injector go bad, high pressure fuel pumps, EGR valves...... higher car value to buy new. Have to think about a lot of things to say one is really more "durable" than another.

[@youseflatif796]

​@@kubizdalis101That's not the reason. Diesel has more energy in it than gasoline. It also has to deal with that diesel engines have leaner air fuel mixtures than spark ignition engines.

[@impactodelsurenterprise2440]

​@@kubizdalis101depends on where you live. Euro 5 diesel has very low sulfur, which is why older diesel engines wear out their fuel pump and injectors with newer fuels.

[@mbahmarijan789]

​@@ViniciusConsorte don't use direct injection version, use the conventional diesel instead. more dursble, more power and or torque, cheaper fuel consumption, fun to drive, good climbing ability, more manly 💪💪

[@scottfranco1962]

Missing from this is "cracking". When gasoline became popular, a lot of research went into increasing the amount of gasoline that came out of the oil refining process. The result was "cracking", which produced more gasoline, and thus less diesel from the input oil. The tradeoff was that it took more energy to crack the fuel. Gasoline is a more expensive fuel than diesel, besides being less efficient. The theory was that more use of diesel would not only create more use of the normal diesel output of refineries, but also allow them to reduce use of cracking to produce more diesel and less gasoline, and better fuel efficiency to boot. What was the price of that? More air pollution, of course.

[@brettbuck7362]

Diesel is almost always much more expensive than the lowest grade of gasoline, usually 80 cents to 1 dollar a gallon.

[@paco2ski]

It is NO MORE Expencive ., Heating Oil is the commodity product equvalent to diesel. US futures Markets /HO and /RB for gasoline. Gasoline ALWAYS WAS POPULAR .. Far easier to build lower pressure engine near 10:1 compression vs 45:1 diesel. Miles per gallon of Much longer chain hydrocarbons diesel wins hands down.

[@imnotusingmyrealname4566]

Today's diesel cars are extremely clean. Now it's sad that diesel engines are dropped from efficient cars and only remain in SUVs. A diesel car is the best vehicle for the highway, where an SUV would be less efficient.

[@brettbuck7362]

@@imnotusingmyrealname4566 Except that they aren't - at all. Almost every diesel I see clatters around putting out soot, and turning the back end of the car black. That's why various places are banning them, and no one every buys them any more.

[@imnotusingmyrealname4566]

@@brettbuck7362 those are old cars and the places banning them are wrong. Referring to modern diesels isn't referring to diesels from the 90s to today, but from Euro 6 to today. Euro 7 will streamline emissions between the different propulsions and be a great standard for very clean automobiles.

[@GumMagnum]

Governmental shittery is what creates the perverse incentive. Its not a bad example of consumer preference, its an example of how this heavily interventionist environment creates the problems which people adapt to the best they can

[@mx338]

Government policy can be missguided, but usually it's very obviously lobbyists corrupting legislation. Without government interference companies still would be dumping deadly chemicals into rivers, because it simply makes the most sense economically.

[@zvexevz]

It's not just the government, or "interventionist" policies to blame here. Remember that it was the auto manufacturers and oil refineries that first started lobbying for policy changes that would create a market for their products, and eliminate the risk of their diesel technology R&D and investments in expanded production lines. Regulatory capture results in the government working for the private interest of industrialists rather than the public good. We would all do well to remember that when people start talking about how the private sector is so innovative and efficient, always willing to take big risks through their investments which benefit society, if only the interventionist government would get out of the way and let business work its magic. Far from opposing government intervention, as such arguments would have us believe, large corporations make huge efforts to influence public policy to create conditions for easy profits. Corporations hate risk and competition, and view the government as a means to eliminate the risk of their investments, often placing it on the public instead.

[@razekt430]

​@@zvexevz Many libertarians don't understand that it is the corporate lobbying influenced by the radical changes in the market and their fear of lower profit rates that influence the governments into reshaping the laws in order to ensure they don't suffer much more losses.

[@identitymatrix]

@@razekt430 No, we just think government shouldn't care about what companies say. Want to change the law? Vote differently. That's the way it should go. Governments have to stop interfering, all this interference causes the problems in the first place.

[@zvexevz]

​@@identitymatrix Yes, agreed, that's how government should work in a democratic system. However concentrated corporate power prevents that from happening. They spend tons of money to ensure that the government works for them. The point is that just blaming "government" for "interfering" is missing the actual causation, the bigger picture. Namely why they are interfering and for what purpose. In this example, governments spent decades creating regulatory frameworks that directly benefited auto makers and oil refiners, to the great detriment of public health. If you want the government to stop interfering in this way, you need to recognize that it happens because of big business and lobbying. So the way to prevent such abuses is to limit the ability of business to distort government policy to suit its own private interest.

[@theglitch99]

ALWAYS about MONEY, POWER, and CONTROL....never about the "environment"...😮

[@samsonsoturian6013]

Shut up

[@markosedlarik9553]

In the countries of the former Yugoslavia, many believe that diesel is the most suitable fuel for cars. When I was younger I argued with older drivers about this and they persistently convinced me of their views. I knew how to put things on paper and draw a line and it turned out that all fuels have their good and bad sides and that due to their characteristics, they are more suitable in some conditions and not in others. For these reasons, gasoline always won for me when I took my needs and budget into account. They often complained to me that I should have taken a diesel, but that enthusiasm began to decline when the Toyota Prius, Dieselgate, stricter eco norms and additional systems (Add blue and DPF) that raised the price of diesel cars appeared. My late grandfather was a taxi driver and back in the days (70's and 80's) he drove a Mercedes on a heating oil (lower level of distillation= cheaper) and that was a real saving for the wallet. At that time, the engines did not have a lot of horsepower per 1 liter of working volume, and thus such engines lasted longer. Those times passed the moment when the turbo and other parasitic components began to be installed, which raised the level of usability, but also overall complexity. Thank you for the video and I love how everything was presented through numbers and diagrams.

[@antontsau]

heating oil does not have excise tax, first of all. Its not good for engines, but it is CHEAP!

[@markosedlarik9553]

@@antontsau I agree. Grandpa after emptying the tank of heating oil used a German diesel to wash the injection system from sludge and gunk.

[@TooCloseToHome]

In the US, you used to be able to buy a kit that would modify your diesel engine to run on cooking oil (not petroleum-based; made from soy beans or other oil-making crops). It violates the manufacture's warrantee, so people only used older cars. You could get used cooking oil from restaurants for free (otherwise they'd have to pay for disposal). Your exhaust would smell slightly of food (usually potatoes, since french fries are very popular). It made more soot than diesel fuel, and I assume the gas emissions were much worse. I wonder how running on cooking oil compares to heating oil. Did your uncle have to make any modifications to his engine for it to accept heating oil?

[@antontsau]

@@TooCloseToHome mercedes diesel from 1970s could run on anything. it was 3l slow natural aspirated pig iron coffin with mechanical pump, so the single possible problem was not to forget to remove potato before pour all this to the tank.

[@arromger]

In my country you get a pretty hefty fine for driving on anything but diesel in a diesel car. They raised taxes on such oils regardless so for them it's a win win either way since it's not attractive to do so anymore so they don't have to spend money on checking people for doing such things

[@MegaNardman]

This might be my favorite video of yours yet. As an American, if never really understood why diesels were so popular in Europe; this is the first time it's made sense! As for BEV adoption, i too hope that upcoming regulations are beneficial for our environment, but I fear that they'll be manipulated by the needs of mining companies and car manufacturers looking to make a buck.

[@Orzeszekk]

You as a american was always able to buy 10x more fuel from average salary, than person from Europe, especially from poor regions. Thats the answer. you could choose gasoline just for fun/better sound/less vibrations/more prestige because financially it doesnt matter. Here in Europe people still have choices like: have a car which consumes diesel or LPG and go 1 time per year on foreign vacation, or burn that money in Gasoline car and dont go anywhere. Almost 2x difference in consumption is what make diesel popular and affordable in europe (i mean used market). If someone got gasoline car, they mostly converted it to LPG, it was making it also 2x cheaper. But right now modern gasoline cars arent able to be converted to LPG (on the other side they are much more economical than years aso). Europe is hungry for energy and spend most of its money on fuels...

[@mikelemoine4267]

@@Orzeszekk After the oil embargo when fuel prices rose here too (despite it being cheaper, it was still an increase) diesel and LP cars came onto the market. The difference here was that GM in particular wanted to rush theirs to market and hastily modified a petrol V8 to diesel without sufficiently reinforcing the internals. The result was extremely poor reliability which combined with the smell, noise, harshness and lackluster performance (5.7L making 104 HP in a large, heavy car) turned people away from diesels. Had they made a decently reliable diesel car back then, there would have been more proliferation as fuel costs are still a big family expense here due to our car dependent society despite being so cheap comparatively. In later years when diesels got better, the price of diesel rose above that of petrol, so the savings was much smaller. Now with diesel costing around 25% more plus the need for DEF and high maintenance costs, there really is no savings to be had. It's mostly used in heavy duty applications as it's still the best option for trucks/lorries.

[@artforz]

@@mikelemoine4267 TBH, that pretty much mirrors the atrocity that were early VW diesel engines. Take a 1.6l 85hp EA827 petrol engine, change pistons and head, add a mechanical IP and you get... a 1.6l 50hp EA086 diesel. Oh, and a nasty tendency to warp and crack heads and blow head gaskets.

[@mikelemoine4267]

@@artforz Interesting, I always thought the earlier German cars were bulletproof, but I suppose anytime accountants and politicians get involved with manufacturing the results will not be good for the average consumer. My guess is that engineers submit a design that can meet regulations but is "too expensive" and then the accountants nitpick it down to a balance of surviving warranty and being cheap enough to compete on price.

[@Zonkotron]

Diesel cars are just awesome. And i suspect if politicians really listened to public opinion the euro standards beyond 2 or 3 would just be shitcanned and a lot of people would be driving diesel again. More efficient, cheaper fuel. The air is so clean since all the old carbureted vehicles left the fleet and industry had to fit scrubbers on the real dirty stuff in the 80s and 90s, its not like it makes a big difference.

[@TheSoup222222]

as a diesel tech, i often see videos about subjects like these that make improper assertions and errors about the science on diesel engines, but this is very accurate. i will say that while DPFs do get clogged over time, this issue can be addressed by proper maintenance cycles and they're about as problematic as catalytic converter failures, except catalytic converters are much less serviceable (in my understanding, i work with very few gas vehicles). thank you for this video, it is very well put together and i appreciate you going into the consumer perspective as well

[@babayega1717]

Only a man that has never driven a DPF equipped car, can say that regular maintenance is enough to keep it working. Sorry bud, you're clueless.

[@TheSoup222222]

@@babayega1717 i say this as someone who works with a fleat that doesn't experience DPF failure often because we follow routine maintenance cycles and actually inspect regularly. DPF failures happen due to other component failures that would cause a problem no matter what, the DPF just happens to fall victim since it's down stream. i also think you're missing the bit where i said they're at problematic as catalytic converters, which are still problematic and prone to fail after clogging from oil consumption etc (just like a DPF go figure.) sorry your car has problems, mine does too, if you think it's because of the DPF, switch to a gasser and you'll notice theyre just as problematic, that was my only point.

[@DamienWhite]

@@TheSoup222222 I was reluctant to buy my current diesel honda civic because of all the DPF fearmongering online, this thing now has over 110k miles on it and haven't had any issues with the DPF, it's a 2.2 i-dtec and I do 60 miles on the motorway 3-4 times a week which is probably why I have no issues, the most reliable car I've ever owned!

[@johnrbnsn]

@TheSoup222222 What maintenance should I be doing on the DPF? Just making sure I've got long rides for a regen cycle or something else?

[@TheSoup222222]

@@johnrbnsn i work on heavy duty so I'm not 100% sure how different it'll be on a car but there's procedures that allow you to clean the DPF without needing to pay a factory to do it. routine inspection of your exhaust system, especially around turbos, is also important. i also recommend cleaning your EGR valve(s) and taking it apart sometimes to clean your EGR system. a good brush and a blowgun is all you'll need for that. look for soot build up around the tailpipe as this can tell you your DPF is failing, and if you have an SCR system then i recommend running a test on your DEF injection to make sure it's in spec every couple years or hundred thousand miles or so. each vehicle will be different so some it could be more complicated than others, dont be afraid to ask a shop to do an inspection and a good one will let you watch what they do so you can take notes. edit: to clarify as far as i understand cars dont perform parked regeneration, but if they do then make sure to do those at whatever interval your vehicle requests.

[@reinhardrsuperbikeschreck2307]

Best and clearest comment, I ever heard to this matter. Your research and presentation cannot be topped,

[@adogmcdizzle]

You could make a similar argument that governments have driven the demand for heavier vehicles as well. Since fleet emissions are based on vehicle weight, it means that heavier vehicles can emit more. The German manufacturers lobbied hard for this, wheras the French ones were against it.

[@necrotorium]

This is especially prevalent in the United States, as the emissions standards for light trucks (think full size pickups, vans, & SUVs) are far less stringent than for cars.

[@andreass.3444]

It's very well known that the Diesel engine is very efficient. That's true, but what many people don't know: An important reason for the lower fuel consumption of Diesel engines, apart from it's construction, is the fact that Diesel fuel has a 15% higher energy content per liter or gallon than Gasoline! The fuel itself has a physical advantage, at the expense of a dirtier combustion. This higher energy content is above all an advantage for trucks where the Diesel engines belongs.

[@N4CR]

This. Also the design lends itself to low end torque typically.

[@marsfoot1237]

calorific value of diesel fuel is roughly 45.5 MJ/kg (megajoules per kilogram), slightly lower than petrol which is 45.8 MJ/kg. However, diesel fuel is denser than petrol and contains about 15% more energy by volume (roughly 36.9 MJ/litre compared to 33.7 MJ/litre)

[@dnocturn84]

That conclusion is ridiculous. Diesel engines are a good idea for cars as well. They emit far less CO2 than petrol engines. The only worse exhaust gas component mass is NOx. There are perfectly fine exhaust gas aftertreatment systems available, that can reduce them to extremely low levels (levels lower than petrol cars). It was greedy cooperations, that choose to sell them with cheaper units instead (at full price of the good ones).

[@marksmellsdramapt]

2001-2005 Audi A2 1.2 TDI 2.9 L/100 km 97 MPG UK 81 MPG US

[@xiondFirst]

It's not the diesel engine that the problem in poorer countries there are less emission controls so the diesel fuel itself is very bad. But in 1st world countries diesel is one of the most fuel efficient and cleaner compared.to gasoline.

[@Blxz]

Oh no, large government initiatives turned out to be inefficient and bad for people. How unexpected.

[@MartijnMcFly]

More like: large company lobbies turned out to be inefficient and bad for people.

[@MadsterV]

@@MartijnMcFly Lobby only exists because government loves it

[@MartijnMcFly]

@@MadsterV Because the lobby gives politicians money. Money corrupts, son, always.

[@anydaynow01]

A lot like how instead of German politicians upgrading and modernizing it's CO2 free fission power plants they shut them down, then were all about the Nordstream projects to get rich off of cheap Russian fossil fuels to fill the gaps renewables can't fill without grid batteries. Also how the Sierra club in USA was paid to change their stance on fission power by the fossil fuel industry for, money. We need grid batteries to support renewables and modern fission plants to provide 24/7 baseload, but there is too much money in fossil fuels for governments to see clearly.

[@anydaynow01]

Kind of like how the German government shutdown its fission plants instead of modernizing them only to back the Nordstream projects to get rich off of cheap Russian fossil fuels.

[@svendtveskg5719]

Here in Denmark, in a lot of cities, I can't go into a "city-space" area with my diesel car - a Fiat Punto, going 28 km/l - but you can cruise around in the same area in a big petrol pick-up or giant Mercedes all day, although they go between 5-8 km/l. But WHO is NOT a truth-witness, remember that, Mr. Driving 4 answers!

[@mebeasensei]

I argued this for years but people were deaf. Once sold they were invested and never wanted to hear another word. Rational discussion was impossible

[@MajorT0m]

Reminds me of another rational discussion we weren't allowed to have in the last three or four years.

[@TekAutomatica]

24 years 400,000+ km almost 100 mpg on diesel or even better #hvo still works fine unlike modem SUV diesel, hybrid and EV inefficient machines.

[@Zanduras1]

@@MajorT0m Yeah just amazing how logic and reason are tossed aside if it's against the "official narrative" pushed by the news media.

[@ArifGhostwriter]

You can't argue with Stupid - which unfortunately is most people.

[@vlc-cosplayer]

@@ArifGhostwriter "Boy, everyone is stupid except me!" (Homer Simpson)

[@romulosteca5324]

After the first oil crisis here in Brazil we tried shifting to ethanol. Didn't work out at the time, but led to the creation of the flexible car at the start of the millenium. Overhere pretty much every car can run with either gas or ethanol.

[@xc8487]

You also have 100% ethanol from sugar cane

[@wolfgangpreier9160]

@@xc8487 And a destroyed rain forest for producing all the sugar cane for runing all VW Ethanol cars. Well done. I applaud the Brazilians!

[@xc8487]

@@wolfgangpreier9160 And here in the US, 2% of all our land is Corn and it's production is subsidized, so farmers try to plant as much as possible regardless of whether we actually need it.

[@rkan2]

Renewable fuel production from biomass always sounds nice, but you are always taking away from food production, or these days, more often than not: a rainforest...

[@grigorkyokuto7546]

​@@wolfgangpreier9160good, fuck rain forest

[@Art_Vandelay_Industries]

There was so much work put into this video. Such an interesting and important topic and very well presented

[@Elcicikos]

My 20-year-old diesel is still running and doing great, 1100 km on one tank of fuel.

[@PatrickArcato]

Is that supposed to be impressive?

[@Bartek-ml9xc]

@@PatrickArcato because it is. You can't get that range with petrol or ev

[@joristimmermans5058]

My 18-year old does 1200+ regularly. 5L/100KM, consistently.

[@PatrickArcato]

@@Bartek-ml9xc I definetely can, you probably drive like a maniac 😂

[@GeorgKallenbach]

Same here :D Let's make a million kilometers, hehe

[@silyenn]

Amazing explaination. Clean, organized, methodical. You could be great teacher, such a talent. Can't wait for more of such content. Cheers

[@exothermal.sprocket]

And no one is going to evaluate the video, check the facts, investigate the cited sources, or reach a different conclusion. It's just too confident, articulate, and full of seeming logic and statistics to be a problem.

[@court2379]

​@@exothermal.sprocketNot no-one. I plan to investigate the NOx emissions stuff more thoroughly. The last data I saw on it did show negative effects, but were studied at concentrations that far exceeded what actually occurred in the environment, which to me made their claims inconclusive. At lower concentrations the effects could be negligible. From what he has said here, it sounds like better data is available. I also found the absence of comparison to the US a bit odd

[@fred8281]

@@court2379 " I plan to investigate the NOx emissions stuff more thoroughly. ..." I suggest that you also investigate the role of NOx in the formation of smog.

[@DexCode1337]

We are sick of this crap. Euro 6, 7, 8, 1250.. then traffic blocks, taxes and more. Just let me drive the car which i bought (which i paid taxes for).

[@Anton-tf9iw]

All that crap come and comes from the Globalist European commission, an un-elected authoritarian body. WEF tools.

[@5287KT]

Its all an excuse to tax people.

[@mottefriedamann2293]

deswegen AfD!

[@meoffjack]

@@mottefriedamann2293 AfD all the way.

[@ExAnimoPortugal]

"Maybe this time it will be different." - said everyone who accepted tyranny.

[@mernokimuvek]

Te eu is tiranny. The evil bureaucratic eu also banned fluorescent lamps last year so I hoard all of them that i can find. I will never use ugly boring chinese L*Ds. Plasma is the king, solid state is boring.

[@samsonsoturian6013]

Shut up

[@TomaszMajek]

Some of the best content online these days. So nice to see informed and researched content.

[@FranNDR]

Fer years, being a mechanic, I've been trying to explain some of the content of this video with people and organisations but they always looked at me like I'm crazy or something. Thank you so much for explaining it all so well going back to the source of all this mess

[@zacwayne1181]

only few knows truth, the most just will not wake up

[@suprvrmedia6235]

Follow your gut, and not the politicians. Long distance travel? Diesel City comutes? Electric Mixed? Hybrid Gas-electric Fun? Gasoline

[@suprvrmedia6235]

For me, diesel in cities is really bad for health But, for long distance, is the best option

[@Kumoiwa]

That's common sense, something not so common among politicians sadly

[@LG-ct8tw]

@@Kumoiwa So you need two vehicle? Not the best way to downsize your carbon foot print unless the EV is a bicycle.

[@Kumoiwa]

@@LG-ct8tw It's not only about carbon footprint but citizens breathing micro particles and Nox

[@gregorymalchuk272]

Long distance travel: diesel City commutes: gasoline Mixed: gasoline Fun: whatever you like Milk floats and golf carts: electricity

[@ddrhero]

Basically, Government creates a problem for the solution it was just lobbied for, then scrambles to create a solution to the problem their previous solution just created x5.

[@dimfre4kske67]

No, businesses created a problem which caused another problem for businesses which required a solution from the government.

[@ddrhero]

@@dimfre4kske67 no, business had nothing to do with the laws. That's government. How do you even arrive at that conclusion?

[@dimfre4kske67]

@@ddrhero Because the businesses requested government intervention and got it. Otherwise they'd be stuck with too much diesel which was unsellable in the quantities they were producing and no they couldn't scale it back. This is explained in the video, which I suspect you did not watch completely.

[@mernokimuvek]

The evil bureaucratic eu also banned fluorescent lamps last year so I hoard all of them that i can find. I will never use ugly boring chinese L*Ds. Plasma is the king, solid state is boring.

[@samsonsoturian6013]

Shut up

[@Kurnikowy]

It’s refreshing to see such information-packed video in the era of short flashy content. I can see the amount of research you put into production. Keep up the good work!

[@personaldronerepair6141]

Very few channels on the this platform offer a comprehensive and complete presentation such as this. I truly become smarter every time a view this channel. Thank You! Keep 'Em Coming!!

[@krashd]

So long as you spend very little time in the comments ;)

[@PavelMateev-n3q]

And one of the worst pollutants for particulate matters turned out to be? Fast wearing tyres! And guess which drivetrain cars are the heaviest and go through tyres like crazy? So, when will we talk about that?

[@phumezosinovuyosoka4602]

SUVs?... /s 😂😂😂

[@hackleberrym]

Never heard of it, you got source on that? But I agree that legislation should incentivize for smaller and lighter cars.

[@strawloki7133]

And EV's got wide tires too. I see Tesla's on 235 or 245's all the time

[@keine_ahnung_wie_der_heisst]

but the particles atleast dont float in the air

[@seriouscat2231]

@@keine_ahnung_wie_der_heisst, it depends on the size and weight of the particle, not on where you first deposit it.

[@TheFulcrum2000]

About poisoning citizens, you might want to research TEL (tetraethyllead). Back in these days, the poisoning by normal gas was a much bigger issues then diesel.

[@LoremIpsum1970]

And after living though all of that, I'm still here...

[@atherrien95]

Of course. Those who died early aren't really able to argue their point are they?

[@LoremIpsum1970]

@@atherrien95 it's not about saving lives, it's about reducing the financail burdon of healthcare.

[@martso9288]

Leaded petrolium... Oh yeah, I'm feeling it now.

[@mikosoft]

​@@LoremIpsum1970congratulation. Check out Veritasium video on leaded petrol. You'll learn what actually happened to you.

[@ramblerandy2397]

Back in the early 1990s I was just in my 30s, and my eldest brother was a motor engineer. He has said for years that the diesel was a fundamnetally dirty engine. So I questioned the advice to move towards buying a diesel car. I even went to University as a mature student to research it. I quickly found out that the diesel move was an environmental hoax. Instead, it was basically getting people to buy a car which used a fuel that the oil companies wanted us to buy because we were changing from fuel oil power stations to methane gas versions, and there was a growing fuel oil glut. Incidentally, my engineer brother had also said at a similar time that, if the battery ever catches up with the electic motor, and stores enough usuable power, for far enough [which he believed wouldn't be possible for half a century, if ever] then that would be it for the internal combustion engine [ICE]. He also dismissed Hydrogen as ultimately unworkable. Excellent explanational video, by the way.

[@zkljaja]

i However, bought and will always buy Diesels because of superior torque delivery, superior consumption and range and cheaper fuel (for now). No one i ever knew bought a diesel because they were clean, but because diesels offered incomparably better fuel economy. 1.6 N/a with 110hp will do 10l/100km in a city and 7l/100km of country road. Equivalent 1.9TDI 110hp offered 7l in the city and 4-5l on the open road, whilst being much more drivable because double the torque was available from 1500rpm There is a video of Passat 1.6tdi doing almost 1500) miles (2400km) on one 70l tank of Diesel, from Morrocco to London

[@mikedelicus]

@@zkljajaI owned 4 diesel’s and switched recently to an electric car. I could never drive a diesel again. It feels like an ancient technology. And for longer distances better having a short break for charging than getting headaches from the engine noise and vibrations. And the power of the electric motor makes you smile.

[@meoffjack]

@@mikedelicus Headaches from engine noise and vibrations.... HAHA yeah that's a nice cope. "Ancient technology" is your battery car. Invented at the beginning of the 20th century, dismissed, reinvented in the 60's, dismissed again and now they are coming back which they will be dismissed again after the climate hype is over. Companies and governments just want to make big bucks. That's all.

[@Degas93]

@@zkljaja why are you comparing some pos cars from previous century, and also 1,6n/a? Who buys such cars today? the diesels with all the pollution preventions work worse than modern petrol engines. You are only focusing on particular cars with only the fuel usage in mind.

[@Papinak2]

​@@zkljaja diesels don't have superior torque delivery. Just look at N/A diesels. It's all thanks to turbos and gasoline engines caught up in the past decade.

[@Justice-Seeker]

This is surprisingly similar to the story around leaded gasoline. If you're unfamiliar with it look it up. Possibly significantly worse than the diesel impact. And there were countries still using leaded gas up until a decade ago, possibly even later than that.

[@SplendidMisanthropy]

They will find a way to demonize and tax all electric vehicles also as their aim is to ban individual traffic as a step towards their utopia in which only the most equal ones are allowed to own a car.

[@pauloconnor7951]

And the unleaded is made from a cheaper fuel stock; which releases even more neurological toxin/s.

[@javaguru7141]

Crops from those countries are chock full of lead now, too. Eg. rice and ginger from India.

[@TheBandit7613]

Look up in the sky. See those small prop planes flying around? Cessna ect? They must all fly on leaded fuel called aviation gas.

[@7sins979]

Not probably, definitely. And leaded gas is still available, but at least here in the US, it is not supposed to be used in on highway vehicles.

[@Michaeltje89]

The funny part here in the Netherlands is that they measure your diesel exhaust output every year. But, If you pay some money (+-$100) and a montly fee depending on the size of the car. Then you are free to output whatever you want.

[@timokreuzer381]

Because paying money to the government will make the weather better. You just have to believe in it.

[@otm646]

I think this is the most fair option. There is a societal cost to my emissions, so let me buy out the cost of those emissions. Don't ban my vehicle or force me to incur extraordinarily expensive repairs. Let me just pay off the difference.

[@Sinaeb]

@@timokreuzer381 stop voting in rich people that wants to destroy governments so the governments stops being destroyed?

[@ime172]

then i can detune and retune my vehicle every year. how do you know which tune im using?

[@arromger]

You only pay the "fine" if you don't have a soot filter (don't know the correct English term). You could just take it to the garage where they measure and register it, remove the filter, and then replace it again before the next check in a year and they'd be none the wiser

[@Patiboke]

A friend of mine used to have one of those early VW Golf diesels. When running stationary at a red light, the rattle of the dashboard was unbelievable.

[@bobdebouwer7835]

I had a date once with a girl from a rich family. I picked her up in my VW Golf 1986 diesel. I still remember the shock on her face when I started the car. And it wasn't even a cold start :D

[@leda4iy]

no way I will refuse my diesel Golf. 1000+km on one tank with AC (or heating) on. Powerful and quiet, easy to maintain. And they are proposing me to switch it to 300km range EV with minimum 1 hour charging time? NO WAY!

[@silvialittlewolf]

To be fair, EVs are continuously improving, both when it comes to driving range and fast charging. You can already get vehicles that have a 500km range and charge within 20 minutes. EVs are like ICE cars when they first came onto the moarket: A Model T didn't have the range and efficiency of a modern ICE car either.

[@necrotorium]

​@@silvialittlewolf The Ford Model T got around 20 mpg, which is pretty close to Ford Explorers from the 2010s. It did only have a 9 or 10 gallon tank, which is smaller than modern SUVs, though.

[@eurasianlynx]

​@@silvialittlewolfcharging times aren't that bad nowadays, but I want at least 750 km range (50 litres) at 160 km/h cruise control, which is what I get from my 2008 petrol car.

[@jeffv.akaonsjeffke9865]

I hate it when the battery of my diesel car needs renewing costing 140 euros. I hate when I need my drill, the battery is dead. So if I don't like battery powerd stuff at all, would you think I would buy an overpriced battery powered car.... No way, not me.

[@necrotorium]

@@jeffv.akaonsjeffke9865 To be fair, the lifetime of electric car batteries is getting close to the that of petrol/diesel engines (more than 100,000 mi/close to 200,000 km). Petrol/Diesel engines are lasting maybe 2-4x as long as electric car batteries (this is replacement, not recharging).

[@NidalDajani]

Can we trust governments anymore? Fool me once, shame on you..... Fool me twice, shame on me.....!

[@matsv201]

The main issue is that almost everything claimed in this video is wrong. Sorry

[@NidalDajani]

@@matsv201 Politicians are masters of tricks and deception! They even use science to fool general public all the while they satisfy the greed of the influential. Therefore, it is a paradox to have a politician with honest concious that puts the interests of general public as a priority on his/her list.

[@domagojprpic6419]

@@matsv201 what

[@matsv201]

@@domagojprpic6419 like the statment that euro is more lenent to diesel cars. Not true. Diesel get to emit 33% more NOx and petrol can emit 100% more CO.

[@relo999]

That you did to begin with. An honest politician is a national calamity.

[@dokterkarel]

I worked in the automotive industry in Belgium and I can confirm that until 2011 90% of the cars sold and driven were diesels. Tax benefits for those who bought a diesel because they claimed it polluted less (which was a lie), only later to find out on the long term it did not pollute less. I'm afraid this is what we might be doing with electric cars now. How beneficial will they be on long term?

[@kotlolish]

Electric cars "may" pollute less. The only way to know for sure is "getting the numbers." But as it is now... if all gas/benzine/diesel power cars are replaced with electrical cars. Not only will it fail to work in certain countries cause electrical motors FAIL a lot on mountainous areas. But we got the following costs: - Making all the cars. - Ion battery costs (envoirmental costs to make em) - Demolishing all gas stations. - Transport costs for materials (Those ships and planes ain't gonna be electrical powered!) - Every garage needing to get new tools and manuals to fix cars. - All the waste generated from replacing combustion engines/cars/etc. And that's just the envoirmental costs for TRANSITIONING into electrical cars. The long term effects are: - Increased Power Grid usage. (What we burning to power these electrical cars) - Ion battery disposals. (These things are more TOXIC then the CO2 we pump into the air. Essentially this is Nuclear vs Coal like debates. Nuclear is cleaner cause it's more effecient and the nuclear waste that remains can be safely delt with, same goes for Ion minus the explosive chances). Essentially on the short term, replace every car with electircal ones is already a bad idea. On the long term is STILL unknown, but most likely BAD. Cause while we are removing emissions everywhere at once spread out. We are focussing it on power companies... who.. if you know most EU countries.. are already saying: "Due to the technological boom and more demand for power, we cannot add more to the grid or else it will overload." i know this is a problem in several EU countries already... so now imagine every home having to have 1 electrical mode of transportation like a Car or bike. The only way to truely know how much those Ion batteries take and put pressure on the electrical grid and how much "emission" per electrical car would be put on. We cannot know. And before someone retorts, "But what about green power sources??" Windmills produce as bad as pollutants as power plants too, No CO2 but Nitrogen wich has a longer half life then CO2 and doens't get absorbed by plants and trees... and are more unreliable. Where as Solar Farms are safe as well as hydro-plants. If not a lil bit more reliable then Wind Turbines. The best is geothermal but we don't have that in the EU. So the next best thing is Nuclear or Thorium. Wich France is heavily investing in.... Where as Germany is removing it and found out they replaced it with ... Gas... And the Netherlands decided to go with Biomass.. wich is.. just burning trees. Anyway this was a huge side tagent about electrical cars and emissions, but in truth... Electrical car emissions is NOT 0. It's only 0 if electricity production is 0. But as it is now.. transitioning to full electric cars is IMPOSSIBLE and might do more damage in the long run then sticking to normal cars.

[@dokterkarel]

@@kotlolish to sum it up: all costs and pollution combined: are electric cars really environmental friendly? No. So I hope we take all of this in consideration before waving tax refunds around only to find out in the long term we didn't resolve anything.

[@kotlolish]

@@dokterkarel Exactly, I am not an expert..I lack alot of data, but from what I know.. the answer is no. It be better, cheaper and overall 10 times better. To develop alternative fuels that do not pollute. Mostly since Oil is a limited resource , but electric ain't it.

[@EndlessNine9999]

The difference Is that diesel cars actually work whereas EVs have no Place in this society, are toxic, prone tò autocombustion and weigh a lot

[@kotlolish]

@@EndlessNine9999 This is too biased and harsh opinion to be honest. But I will elaborate it for you and others. Yes Electrical vehicles are much heavier then current cars. Infact... alot of roads in the EU will be UNABLE to deal with EVs going over it on a daily basis, causing them to break appart faster and making more pods holes. Thus road taxes will go up supposably or all roads have to redone. This weight and podhole problem actually leads into the other two problems: Toxic and prone to combustion. The batteries on these things are extremely toxic and violitile, worst then gasoline. If an EV explodes...the chemicals it releases into the air will do MUCH LARGER DAMAGE then a CAR EXPLODING. The worst chemicals a normal car can fly into the air is the plastics it might have or the car battery, but the Ion batteries? MUCH WORST! It's like burning 20 car batteries at minimal. And what sets these things off to explode? Shaking and heat... wich... as you guessed.. roads get hot and with more podholes, makes shaking more, increasing the risk. So why is this a "BAD" opinion? Cause we are still developing this technology as we speak. But we are talking about problems that are easily fixed. I already spoken on the toxic in a previous comment. But the autocombustion part? That's the same thing of saying any car can explode due to a faulty part. It's a very weak one. Though them being too heavy for some roads.. Yea I forgot to add that, but the only heavy EVs are the big luxurious ones, you can have lighter ones and the basic consumer will not be buying Tesla's. Thus I didn't bring it up, cause this loop is kinda...fixable. Especially on a long term basis. If we are talking on a short term basis? Yea these things make it worst, but on long term... these problems are very neglectable considering early cars also had these risks.

[@rastislavsmolek8140]

Every technology has advantages and disadvantages... Diesel that is not burned by cars is most likely burned to make electricity or it is sold to be burned elsewhere.

[@Paciat]

Yes, but it wont be burned in city centers polluting people.

[@anon556]

​​​@@Paciat 😂😂 you have 0 idea how pollution works or what a diesel engine emitts... Please show me the diesel powered generation station in the middle of any city. You can't. Please show me the output of a modern diesel engine and explain how it's "polluting people" you sound like a 4 year old...

[@dadoVRC]

There's something different in burning diesel fuel in a power station rather than in a diesel vehicle. Power stations are efficient and they can manage their emissions a lot better than a million cars starting from cold and being driven in the traffic.

[@Buffalo_Soldier]

@@anon556 He said it WON'T be burned in city center. it won't = "it will not". In other words - person you responded to prefers diesel to be burned for power production than to be burned by cars in the middle of city. Considering your response, I don't think you even have different stance, are you? As for output of modern diesel engine, maybe it's not polluting people. But eu is removing from market cars with old diesel engines, not new ones.

[@talibong9518]

@@Buffalo_Soldier Must be all those diesel particulates making him dumb

[@zkljaja]

Yeah, 50% less fuel consumption and 10% cheaper fuel really poisoned me while driving my TDI People would still buy them like mad if governments didn't threaten to tax them at any point

[@rafaelcarneiro8957]

It astonishes me how governments think we buy diesel for all the reasons except "it consumes less and it's cheaper". The same for LPG, I don't care if it's a green alternative, it costs less than €0.90\L and consumes just a bit more than gasoline.

[@threekblack217]

Diesel for 4th world India.

[@NusPojava]

This is exactly what is happening in the Balkans. Nobody in the Balkans cares about pollution, meaning that diesels are rampant, even though you literally cannot be behind them for more than 5 seconds without struggling to breathe.

[@zkljaja]

@@NusPojava daj ne kmeči za bezveze

[@cellokid5104]

Excellent video. I really applaud you ability to make such complicated topics understandable to the everyday guy

[@jesusrodriquez526]

An university lecture-tier video, regards a non-graduating engineer of energy technics. You just summarized this better than our lecturers during their courses.

[@VitorMadeira]

Excellent video. Thank you so very much and greetings from Portugal.

[@ToiOraLAT]

Just checked out your KZbin site. SO freakin many vids on so many questions I would love to learn. Am excited about the hours to come!

[@QuantumCat76]

Diesel were offset by taxes in the Netherlands. Monthly Road tax is about 2.7x higher for diesels even though the fuel was (in the beginning) almost half the price of gasoline. So Diesels were mostly by people who made a lot of kilometres a year. This was mostly company cars

[@Psi-Storm]

Same in Germany. The higher purchase cost of the car, the higher yearly car registration tax and even higher insurance brackets meant that you had to drive at least 20000km a year, for Diesel cars to be more cost efficient.

[@TheJon2442]

​@@Psi-Stormthat depends on how you drive and the KPL. If you are getting 1000 Kms from 60 litres diesel euro 6 and getting 750 Kms petrol!

[@tjroelsma]

@@TheJon2442 Diesels had far better KPL than petrol cars for a long time. That only really changed in the last decade, but the better KPL of petrol engines came at the cost of the same problem diesel engines had: higher pollution numbers in some areas, causing new problems that had to be solved. The thing is that with proper catalyzers or a ureum injection system, diesels met the required environment standards and it was only the demand for higher power from diesel engines that caused Diesel Gate. Nobody in their right mind expected cars equipped with diesel engines to go head-to-head with comparable cars with petrol engines until diesels became "hip". For instance: back in the late 80"s I drove an Opel Kadett 1.6 diesel that pushed out 54HP, whereas its brother, the Kadett 1.6 petrol pushed out 75HP (monopoint injection) or 100HP (multi point injection). My diesel was slow as sh**, but ideally suited for commuting just over 100 Kms from my home to work and back, as it did close to 20 KPL whereas the 75HP version would struggle to do 16 KPL. Diesel back then cost about 60% of what petrol cost, so despite of the higher road tax and purchase price, that diesel started saving money after about 12000 kms per year, which was easily passed by my daily commute.

[@peterweber79]

(luxus)-company cars are leased cars witch were resold after four years to ordinary people - the perfect cycle to push (over-motorized) diesel cars ..

[@QuantumCat76]

@@tjroelsma I drove an Opel Corsa B 1.7 diesel for a while because I bought them second hand and at the time diesel cost 50-60% of what gasoline cost. So even with the higher monthly recurring taxes, it would be cheaper to drive the Diesel. This was also at a time when I drove a lot in the weekend, meeting up with friends who lived out of town. It wasn't a fast car, it didn't have a turbo... But it was good enough for what I used it for

[@jacobkilstrom]

Related to the end, please make a video about 1) how suv's became mainstream because of a forced demand to avoid emission and safety regulations and 2) hijacked the electrification!

[@sutipd4973]

There seems to be a pattern here. Replace the word "Diesel" with "Electric" (other than the production part) and the same story applies today. I sure do wonder why that may be.

[@waynelee9065]

You elevate this KZbin video into a level of investigative journalism. Well done Sir

[@hootinouts]

A big thumbs up on yet another fantastic presentation. I always learn something here. I can sum up everything wrong with society with one word: greed!. Yes, greed is the great motivator of big business, big government, and overly ambitious individuals. Greed fosters corruption at many levels, and to justify their actions, the whitewash them with clever deceptions which most of the sheeple readily digest and chew on like cattle chewing their cud. Time for people to wake up and watch exposes like this one and begin taking action on making this world a better place for us all to live in.

[@williampringle2307]

No one seems to mention that Diesels are so much more reliable ,having recently sold our 40 year old merc 207 van the engine was still running like a dream, had a 807 the same and my old Bedford TKs 330 engine was famous for doing half a million miles without problems.This with the fuel econamy is the main reason people like thier diesels, replacing vehicles frequently increases its carbon footprint and dont forget the lead poisoning (still in the enviroment) from petrol til the 90s..Also a diesal can run on a multitude of fuels. I ran my old transit on cooking oil for a summer before it got expensive and it ran ace,smelt great to.

[@patrolmostwanted]

*Old diesels. But the newer ones? Good luck maintaining this crap as soon as your complex emissions equipment starts to go bad. Or as soon as the warranty expires even.

[@williampringle2307]

I totally agree, but the same applies to petrol cars, they are as equally complicated with multitude of sensors feeding a control computer, variable cam timing electronic injection, catalytic converters a fault with any causing emmision problems and often the bloody sensor is at fault not the actual engine., had old Renault petrol motor that tuned / timed properly gave close to 70 mpg with a not to heavy foot. Building a car has a footprint and replacing it frequently adds to that, agreed that the materials can be recycled (let's not talk about the lithiam Iron mining and the difficulty and lack of enough facility to recycle problem) that requires energy achieve. It seems that that the whole picture and true footprint of modern motors, especially evs is fogged and often means running clean really means the pollution, environmental harm is remote and out of sight, mind. Make things simple, repairable, and built to last has got to be the best way,millions of posh shiny,, often often massive cars that cost the price of building a couple of schools in Africa, while kids grovel around mines for materials for them is not the answer, Fashion and vanity of western man is the problem.

[@gianpaolomosoni7230]

@@patrolmostwanted you bypass some sensors and the engine still run like a charm, but at the cost of pollution… i saw VW TDI last for 500000km

[@phukfone8428]

2:50 I remember at the time they said in France " we don't have oil, we don't have coal, we don't have a choice"

[@bobdebouwer7835]

Using less energy is also a choice. But not what people want to hear..

[@comradeivan9326]

Funny thing is that France has 0 (zero) uranium mines, they're dependent on that as well

[@waynelee9065]

Thanks!

[@d4a]

Thank you! Much appreciated

[@aden3113]

Diesels are fundamental more efficient than gasoline engines, they make sense for long distance travelers even with the added cost of tax and repair bills (which are rare if well maintained). On top of that they typically last longer than their gasoline counter-parts and diesel fuel tends to be cheaper. Japan is a smaller nation where people don't really travel very far at all and they have an excellent public transportation system which removes the need to use a car for a lot of people, hybrids make a lot of sense. Also in the US gasoline is comparatively much cheaper so switching to diesel cars to save fuel when they're more rare and fewer people know how to work on them makes less sense for most people. Electrification is still far away, unless they can make batteries that last as long as a fuel tank and can be fully charged in less than 5 minutes they're never going to compete well with gasoline or diesel engines (or hybrids for that matter).

[@otm646]

Diesel's lasting longer doesn't shake out in your regular passenger car applications. Even if you bought the best TDI ever produced, the 1.9 ALH Your total cost of ownership over 300,000 miles is going to be more than buying a Civic with the 1.8 of the same model year. Very very few people drive cars over 300,000 miles. I ran a professional VW diesel shop, I know these engines inside and out. I know exactly what the maintenance costs are and what they were back in the day.

[@donotatme]

Very eye opening! Something I heard over the years from people buying Diesel cars, they usually say Diesel engines will just last longer in the long run. I mean, my dad had a VW Passat 3B with the 90PS legendary 1.9 TDI and it had over 400.000km on the clock when it had to be scrapped because everything apart from the engine broke and fell apart. I guess being so understressed and often bought by people that drive long distances, they can last a long time. Friend of mine swears on diesels, he also has to do a 400km trip once or sometimes twice a week. My aunt has a Mazda 6 diesel that she absolutely loves, she did want to replace it with a new 6 because she loves the car and hers is starting to have electrical issues but they only had gasoline versions on the lot and after the test drive she thought they were broken because she is used to the low end grunt of the diesel. Now she wants to deal with the electrical gremlins and keep the diesel for as long as possible

[@larsjrgensen5975]

The 1.9 TDI was legendary, but the 1.8T was legendary too. The company Audi with the 1.8 non turbo version but still 20 valve, had driven 420.000km when they sold it and everybody treated it like shit because it was old. I think it is dead now but the last time I heard about it, it had driven over 600.000km.

[@SandraPhillips-cb5og]

Really digging your videos, keep it real!

[@lorddoobsworth144]

the bots are watching engineering videos to gain knowledge for their self preservation

[@ArianMaghsoudniaplus]

It's hard to manage to cover so many things and explain them in just the proper depth. Nice job!

[@michaelcliffe562]

Fascinating! What an eye opener! To think that history is repeating itself all over again... It seems almost to be a common concensus that EVs are not the solution.. Thanks for the outstanding content as usual!

[@JasonJrake]

Like diesel, EV is a very useful transportation platform in certain circumstances. The only problem is government using legislation to try and force winners rather than subsidizing improvements to multiple technologies and seeing which ones customers and industries find most economical for their needs.

[@JayDee-b5u]

There is no solution to a problem that doesn't exist.

[@cellokid5104]

​@@JasonJrake like... public transport

[@kilianortmann9979]

EVs are a perfect solution for people who commute to work, lot of delivery jobs in cities, certain communal applications and most private travel. I think a big problem for political EV support is that the leading countries for EV development are not in the EU.

[@Imasundaj]

Battery electric cars have their pros and cons, just like everything else. It is a solution for certain type of transportation, but it is not be the one and only solution people try to make it.

[@Stuie444]

Taxes, profits, and corporate lobbying - it always goes back to taxes, profits, and lobbying...

[@Bluecedor]

Well, ultimately profits, because the corps spend a little in lobbying to get more in profits from the tax money they are given, on top of the profits generated from normal operations.

[@zydomason]

and jews.

[@samsonsoturian6013]

Liars get scalped

[@Cristian121212100]

The reason why no government wants diesel vehicles anymore is because how efficient they are. That’s why they’ve been making emissions regulation more strict for diesel than gasoline vehicles

[@AdinYusuf]

Diesels are popular because you use 5l of diesel at 100km while having 170hp. A perfect combo for European roads. Enough power for overtaking, higways, and cities/towns. All of that in one simple Golf, Peugeot, Opel etc

[@EndlessNine9999]

90-110hp Is more than enough for Daily committing, I Cruise at 100-110kmh in my 80hp diesel cars, sure It weighs Just a Ton so that heps, but 170hp isn't even necessary

[@TheS0u1eS]

If you're 80

[@gigieinaudi24]

Fiat too 😅

[@InTeCredo]

I recalled living in Texas when we had the European-specified 1977 Mercedes-Benz 450 SEL. In the 1980s, Texas required the annual vehicle inspection, including emission test, so we hoped our 450 SEL would pass the emission test as the car didn't have catalysators. The inspector was shocked at HOW CLEAN the exhaust was, and he had to recalibrate the test equipment and ran the emission test again. He had been hoodwinked into thinking that the vehicles must have catalysators in order to pass the emission test...

[@aliciaantoniadis9100]

Absolutely beautiful! Thank you so much! Sincerely, Alicia Antoniadis, from Sweden.

[@what9418]

I think most manufacturers don't want to build electric verhicles at all. It is an expensive market with too little customers. This time it is the governments who force it, not the manufacturers. And, I doubt governments have the best future in mind for civilians: - They ignore the fact that creating such large batteries requires a lot of raw materials, mined by heavy diesel vehicles - They ignore the fact that a lot of children are employed in the process of mining cobalt - They ignore the fact that we have insufficient facilities to produce clean electricity - They ignore the fact that windmills have environmental impact as well, especially when located in the sea - They ignore the fact that the battery parts that actually store the energy cannot be recycled or processed to a non toxic state - They ignore the fact that solar panels cannot be recycled and dont deliver much longevity - They ignore the fact that windmills cannot be recycled It is funny that we employ devices to harvest free energy from nature, but end up paying more and more for use of energy. I don't trust the government for that reason. To me, in the past we feared God and didn't have much power. But now it seems they replaced the fear of God by fear wars (Russia) and environmental hazzards and climate change (CO2 and NOx pollution). They are trying to change the relations between rule and citizens to middle age levels. I used to believe CO2 was more of a problem than NOx and the NOx issue is just a new thing the governments introduced to make people less powerful. At some point they even claimed there was a shortage of diesel, which is impossible without a shortage of petrol. Yet, this video is very informative.

[@emilsmikulis]

This was one of the best videos I have watched ever, so educational, learned so much from this. Thank you!

[@nuttyDesignAndFab]

when I started riding I became keenly aware of any time a diesel engine is near me by smell.

[@machmar]

You shouldn't be able to smell any car no matter the fuel (if it's burning fuel properly)

[@volvo09]

​@@machmari've always been able to smell diesel exhaust. Not so much on modern diesels with DPF and SCR systems, but on older ones absolutely.

[@Danielagostinho21]

@@machmar Not just smell, particles too. DPFs are not perfect, combustion is not perfect. A perfect combustion of any hidrocarbon would lead to CO2, H2O and N2. But fuels and combustion are not perfect. Diesel fuel usually contains sulfur which smells, the formation of CO2 is incomplete so you get CO, with lean mixture there are excess of oxigen which helps the formation of NOx.

[@CaptainRon1913]

Stuck in traffic in a Paris tunnel, will make your eyes burn

[@michele8039]

I'm the same. I can smell diesels from a hundred metres away, even if they're under 10 years old, especially in winter. All this dpf and adblue nonsense is nothing more than a band aid.

[@b1646717]

When i hear "gas converted to diesel," I immediately think of the Olds 350 grenades.

[@patdurt023]

This one is a little different as Volkswagen got technical development and assistance from Deutz, when building their first diesel engines.

[@LoremIpsum1970]

Diesel engine runaways is something to behold!

[@TheMightyT1]

​@@LoremIpsum1970No the Olds was known for blowing head gaskets and leaking from pretty much every orifice, not to mention not making power relative to its displacement. Parts are hard to come by for the madmen who still drive them and not much is known because despite being in pretty much everything GM made, it was such a hated option not many people bought it and Oldsmobile basically pretended it never happened and swept it under the rug.

[@TheBandit7613]

@@TheMightyT1 General Motors singlehandedly ruined diesel engines in the US for 40 years with that half assed diesel "experiment" that cost participants so much grief. They should have been fined billions for fraud.

[@gregorymalchuk272]

They were great with the DX block.

[@crissd8283]

What??? The government got something wrong? No way. Im sure this is a one off and will never happen again. We can certainly trust the government to get stuff like this right next time. Government is full of experts and will get stuff right from now on.

[@victorhojgaard1769]

This is one of the reasons why I’m not so quick to get a car. The government and EU wants to control the traffic and the consumers car choices by making certain cars and fuel more expensive. I’m 31 years old, got my drivers licence half a year ago, and I’m still not sure whether to get a car or not. I’m using a bicycle to get from A to B, cost me nothing, can ride everywhere, no taxes or locked to certain bikes. I’m free from the government and regulations.

[@jenstrudenau9134]

In fear of the uncertainty you abstain from buying a car. You are not at all free from the government

[@victorhojgaard1769]

@@jenstrudenau9134 I’m free from EU regulations, and my freedom being taken away. It baffles me why my country even wants to be in EU, petrol cars are gonna be banned in 2030.

[@jasondashney]

Do they have car share programs there? In Canada in major cities you can just buy the rights to rent certain vehicles scattered around the city. That means no actual ownership, yet easy availability if you do want to use one. You don't even pay for fuel. If you only drive a few times per month it's way cheaper than owning a car.

[@tomy8339]

Awesome video. Very thorough.

[@ristekostadinov2820]

20:35 you forgot to mention Japan's tax incentives on kei cars if i'm not mistaken they represent 1/3 of the cars on road. Before their financial crisis kei cars were getting out of favor but by the end of the 80s demand went up and is still going strong.

[@hackleberrym]

I'd love to see legislation similar to kei cars in th EU. Car sizes are getting out of hand.

[@keine_ahnung_wie_der_heisst]

@@hackleberrym in france their is now a heavy tax on any new car over 1600 kg

[@seany8787]

@@keine_ahnung_wie_der_heisst which will penalise practically all EV’s Ive always said small petrol cars suit 90% of people. I need a diesel, because I do a lot of miles and it will cost me a lot more in fuel and tax costs

[@zurielsss]

KEI cars are not made or sold in Europe because of stricter safety standards in Europe But from a pollution perspective, lighter cars are the way to go

[@seany8787]

@@zurielsss Kei’s are pretty popular in the UK and Europe. Obviously most get imported in. However my wife had a Daihatsu Copen for example. Sold new in UK.

[@6Sparx9]

Since Oxford, UK started their ULEZ program where they have closed various side roads to vehicles and forced them to only use B roads (such as Cowley & Iffley road or the A40 bypass), these roads have been in constant traffic jams throughout the day every day. It's impossible at rush hour even to use a bus, and bicycles are a wild west, there are so many learner mopeds using bike lanes now. It is faster just to walk into the city center. When I last visited in 2023 I was shocked that areas enforcing ULEZ absolutely wreak of diesel pollution, all the time night and day. The Oxford council, by trying to 'reduce' emissions have made them noticeably worse. Oxford is Labor and Green controlled, for what it is worth and it's a shitshow.

[@supatim1]

I guess that is also why Oxfordshire has reduced the majority of the 30mph limits down to 20mph. But I always understood most motor vehicles are tuned to be most efficient at 50mph, so slowing vehicles down (away from the 'optimum' speed) would actually increase pollution, or am I mistaken?

[@antontsau]

You, commoners, must Repent and Pay, and vote more for beloved government, caring about Terrible Pollution. And never ever think by youself, only Listen and Obey.

[@jamespurchase4035]

Voting left has consequences

[@billynomates920]

@@supatim1 i don't drive but i do walk my friend's staffie. it is a very strong and excitable 16 month old pupper. the cars drive fast enough to be a worry but so slowly that holding him at the side of the road while they pass is a battle. the road i live on was 60mph then 40 then 30 and now 20. i think it should be 40 but would settle for 30 - 20 is just silly. 😕

[@billynomates920]

@@supatim1 i also ride an e-bike and when the limit was 30mph, cars would pass me. now they hover dangerously behind me unable to pass without breaking the speed limit. of course, half do and half don't so the danger is not just from pot holes and proximity but the uncertainty of action. i really don't like the 20mph here in oxfordshire. ☹