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The Difference Between Sauce Gardener And Tariq Woolen

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@bucc_360
@bucc_360 Жыл бұрын
Woolen has 6 interceptions on 1/3 Less targeted. Woolen has not been thrown at much the past month seems like. I wanted sauce before the year started but it's Tariq that won me over
@TheRealist1.
@TheRealist1. Жыл бұрын
Sauce covers #1s
@demetriusdemarcusbartholom1929
@demetriusdemarcusbartholom1929 Жыл бұрын
@@TheRealist1. who tf u think woolen covering lol
@emilianodiaz641
@emilianodiaz641 Жыл бұрын
@@TheRealist1. sauce be getting away with pass interferences all the time stfu
@jordanr1413
@jordanr1413 Жыл бұрын
@@TheRealist1.lmfao you dumb af
@idontknow9542
@idontknow9542 Жыл бұрын
@@demetriusdemarcusbartholom1929 lmaoo fr
@fleshhammer656
@fleshhammer656 Жыл бұрын
I'm a seahawks guy, I think it's awesome to have such a tight competition between these 2. It's been fun to watch their highlights
@fleshhammer656
@fleshhammer656 Жыл бұрын
Also to add, everyone expected sauce to be great, no one knew or gave a damn about woolen, he's the much bigger surprise
@GoldTalksSports
@GoldTalksSports Жыл бұрын
@@fleshhammer656 very true
@timgoble7928
@timgoble7928 Жыл бұрын
It's all about value. The fact it's close after 2 season between a top 6 pick and a 5th rounder is a massive win for the Hawks
@jayaugust5889
@jayaugust5889 Жыл бұрын
It feels like 2011 all over again, don't you think?
@Promislandzion
@Promislandzion Жыл бұрын
It’s not close sauce jus pi mfs
@pwnyboyog2501
@pwnyboyog2501 Жыл бұрын
I'd take Woolen. Sauce has slightly better technique but that's taught. You can't teach him to be faster, or to have more length and reach or as high of vertical... But you can teach more technique to Woolen. That baiting QBs to throw the ball by hanging back and then turning on the burners to catch up and get the interception will bait many into that throw. Seeing it on tape is one thing but in a game the QBs will continue to think naw he can't close that gap... then bam.. pick. Woolen hasn't been playing the position as long and is already very good... under Pete Carrol he will be amazing. Plus Sauce is getting away with a lot of penalties.. He is great. Woolen has way more picks... and they're earned picks not lucky deflections.
@idontknow9542
@idontknow9542 Жыл бұрын
Exactly what I say every time
@JAy275W
@JAy275W Жыл бұрын
Sauce likes to put his hands on the receiver to let him know he’s there but most are not PIs because he doesn’t tug. He’s been consistently doing that all year and refs know it’s not PI.
@GC-ye9qf
@GC-ye9qf Жыл бұрын
@@JAy275W You guys forget, sauce and his coach has mentioned part of Sauce development will be learning to get interceptions and less deflections per him leading all corners in deflections. Depending on who the receiver is and qb, eventually Woolen will not be able to "catch up". That's terrible coverage philosophy...and one of his ints was a gimme pass to Tom Brady playing wr. If not for a penalty, he would have had 4 td's against him via Hopkins. The 1 td against sauce, was due to a safety coverage miscue. I've been watching this back and forth for a while and Sauce truly is better overall while facing more top tier wr's than Woolen. it is what it is. 6"4, 4.23 spd tho is scary
@SexiSeahawk69
@SexiSeahawk69 Жыл бұрын
@@GC-ye9qf well I would just go back up and read the initial comment, there is so much more things that woolen does better that cannot be taught. Woolen has a far higher potential than sauce does and don’t get me wrong they’re both very very good, but like come on just look at Woolen he is a freak and has way way better hands than sauce does because he was a wide receiver Wallen is going to go just a little bit farther but they both will go very far and be the best corners in the game.
@kevineiford2153
@kevineiford2153 Жыл бұрын
@@GC-ye9qf In my opinion, the Brady pick was Woolens best play of the year. He absolutely baited the Bucs into that one by changing how he defended identical looks in the same series.
@stebes7857
@stebes7857 Жыл бұрын
I like that Woolen isn't tugging on the WR every single highlight.
@rubenkb2441
@rubenkb2441 Жыл бұрын
Literally every highlight shown of sauce hes holding 😂
@rah-misecraig322
@rah-misecraig322 Жыл бұрын
Big facts 😂
@joeperez2771
@joeperez2771 Жыл бұрын
You beat me to it!!!! Sauce should of been flagged on all those highlights.....lol
@Dee--
@Dee-- Жыл бұрын
your ignorance is showing but most people in the comments are casuals anyway 😂 I guess all the nfl analysts who say he isn’t holding are wrong and all the refs in each game the last 15 weeks must be blind
@wildboar1911A1
@wildboar1911A1 Жыл бұрын
lmao always pulling jerseys and flailing his arms around
@justinsports3032
@justinsports3032 Жыл бұрын
@@Dee-- right lol most fans are casual braindead and don’t know the real rules 😂😂 Everything Sauce was doing in these clips is actually legal.
@gummiesrule88
@gummiesrule88 Жыл бұрын
From these clips, Sauce seems more handsy than Woolen. I can see choosing Sauce now, although I wouldn't. Sauce came out of a top-tier college a fully formed college CB, a consensus top 5-10 pick. Woolen was pick 153, in the fifth round. The fact that Woolen is now (after his limited experience as a CB at a lower tier college) being legitimately compared to Sauce in the NFL says all you need to know about his ability to learn and grow. Woolen's ceiling is even higher than Sauce's--more of a freak, and as dedicated as Sauce to his craft. So now, sure, it's close. But longer term, I'd take Woolen. He can be everything Sherman was, and more.
@mosehlewi3081
@mosehlewi3081 Жыл бұрын
Clearly woolen fans..woolen is nowhere near the top cornerback right now
@SuperMan-pv9fi
@SuperMan-pv9fi Жыл бұрын
@@mosehlewi3081 clearly a sauce fan… no need to be so emotional and subjective, just actually read the points the original comment is making and he makes sense.
@mosehlewi3081
@mosehlewi3081 Жыл бұрын
@@SuperMan-pv9fi im not subjective buddy...i watch everyone of both cornerbacks snaps on film...you guys are the ones who are subjective basing your opinion on media coverage, commentating, highlights, and just the regular broadcast...talk to me when you've watched the film buddy
@thatdude2783
@thatdude2783 Жыл бұрын
@mosehlewi3081 woolen is literally tied at top spot in the league with 6 INT, and has only 2 fewer PD than sauce, but sure... he's no.wjere near being a top CB... 🤡
@gummiesrule88
@gummiesrule88 Жыл бұрын
@mosehlewi3081 And what makes you think that you are the only film-watcher in existence? What pompous nonsense. Declarations like yours are useless wastes of bandwidth. Come to the party with facts, or don't come at all.
@anthonyhernandez6477
@anthonyhernandez6477 Жыл бұрын
Tariq played receiver at UTSA before being moved to corner, he runs the route with the receiver perfectly it's crazy and his closing speed is nuts
@lbngrey7682
@lbngrey7682 Жыл бұрын
Don’t get me wrong sauce is a dog. But half of these clips you show of him is blatant pi. Not even a debate
@GoldTalksSports
@GoldTalksSports Жыл бұрын
fair...I didn't bring it up but yeah he gets away with a lot of pass interference
@stevejamieson8468
@stevejamieson8468 Жыл бұрын
I remember at the end of the 1st Bills vs Jets game this year, it was another obvious dpi the refs for whatever chose not to call🤦🤦🤦
@lbngrey7682
@lbngrey7682 Жыл бұрын
@@stevejamieson8468 it seems like they just let certain corners get away with whatever they want this year. While others get called for breathing on the receiver
@stevejamieson8468
@stevejamieson8468 Жыл бұрын
@@lbngrey7682 They do and it is disgusting to watch
@JERSEYBOYPLAY2HARD
@JERSEYBOYPLAY2HARD Жыл бұрын
@@GoldTalksSports woolen ceiling higher then sauce. Sauce is good but let’s be honest. He’s gonna win Droy because of the New York market.
@sam-ub5ux
@sam-ub5ux Жыл бұрын
as a seahawks fan, i love both these players. they’re gonna be the next revis/sherman for the next decade
@WKFootballShorts
@WKFootballShorts Жыл бұрын
all of the woolen tds that he has given up are crossing routes and two of them werent even in his zone
@Dsladddd
@Dsladddd Жыл бұрын
Same with sauce
@mosehlewi3081
@mosehlewi3081 Жыл бұрын
Woolen has given up 5 tds. Sauce only 1.
@WKFootballShorts
@WKFootballShorts Жыл бұрын
@@mosehlewi3081 5???? u mean 3?
@mosehlewi3081
@mosehlewi3081 Жыл бұрын
@@WKFootballShorts as of right now, 5.
@WKFootballShorts
@WKFootballShorts Жыл бұрын
@@mosehlewi3081 its 3
@vray4297
@vray4297 Жыл бұрын
Yo the crazy part is that Woolen has only been a corner for 2 years!!! Upside is crazy!
@bry88XXX
@bry88XXX Жыл бұрын
Just finished the video, I can't believe you picked Gardner over Woolen. It is not even close. Gardner plays with his back to the ball, clutches and grabs, he will start getting called for PI and holding more.
@DogWalk_videos
@DogWalk_videos Жыл бұрын
Sauce has less catches, yards and TDs clearly sauce is better. INTs aren’t everything buddy just look at the stats. The only thing woolen has on sauce is INTs
@rah-misecraig322
@rah-misecraig322 Жыл бұрын
@@DogWalk_videos Riq has a touchdown, blocked fg, and those picks that “don’t matter” are the primary stat to a CB just like sacks are to a DE and is a TURNOVER! A big deal in football because it can shift the momentum to your team. Plus those INTs came off of less targets than sauce. Sauce holds and gets away with it alot from what I’ve seen. Probably because of the name and marketing behind him. Bro got a deal with Bdubs without playing much football.
@ilikeme1234
@ilikeme1234 Жыл бұрын
@@DogWalk_videos The difference between Sauce and Woolen, where Sauce has the advantage is marginal. Both players are doing great, but where Tariq excels, it’s not even close. The INT’s, the ability to close gaps and make big plays at almost any time, most of those things can’t be taught. All of those holds and arguable PI’s Gardner isn’t getting called for are because he doesn’t have the closing speed. It’s because he risks being burnt if he isn’t more physical and handsy. I’ll take the guy who can cover based on his willingness to learn and raw physical ability over the guy who is a PI call waiting to happen on nearly every play. Edit: also, the Jets have a better overall defense around Sauce, by a long shot. If Seattle was getting similar pressures run stopping as the Jets, that would only make Woolen’s job easier.
@KBilliez
@KBilliez Жыл бұрын
@@ilikeme1234 amen to your edit Im a Seahawks fan and we don’t get pressure on the qb at all it’s so bad. That only means more time for qb’s and better throws but he’s found a way so far. It was a good point about each other’s strengths and how one shows more then the other. I think both are stud CB’s and I’d love to see woolen get it but he won’t haha
@donttrip1818
@donttrip1818 Жыл бұрын
@@DogWalk_videos sauce was a 4th ovr pick played corner his whole life begged for votes and is cocky rik was s 5th rd pick turned corner about 2 years ago and doesnt cry like sauce 😂
@Chapadoodle
@Chapadoodle Жыл бұрын
Woolens only been playing corner for 2 and a half years and he’s already insanely good. He’s only gonna get better and better and could possibly be one of the best corners ever by the time he retires
@gmsinlandempire2246
@gmsinlandempire2246 Жыл бұрын
And he got cooked today!! Stfu
@Chapadoodle
@Chapadoodle Жыл бұрын
@@gmsinlandempire2246 he had one bad game bruh chill tf out
@gmsinlandempire2246
@gmsinlandempire2246 Жыл бұрын
@@Chapadoodle nope I getting all of you dummies !!!! Sauce hasn’t had a bad game this season… woolen got cooked
@Chapadoodle
@Chapadoodle Жыл бұрын
@@gmsinlandempire2246 sauce also has another elite corner on the other side of the field to take off some of the pressure
@gmsinlandempire2246
@gmsinlandempire2246 Жыл бұрын
@@Chapadoodle no excuses
@evildemonllama
@evildemonllama Жыл бұрын
Listening to Tyler Lockett on the Sherman podcast, he talked about how playing against the LOB in practice every week is what helped develop him. Lose in practice, win on Sunday. Sauce is incredible, but plays against who during practice? Woolen is playing against DK, Lockett, and Geno. Every week. That’s gotta give a guy some insane practice.
@angelsosa4055
@angelsosa4055 Жыл бұрын
Garrett Wilson and Elijah Moore… Garrett put up 1000 yard season with a combination of Joe Flacco, Zach Wilson and Mike White… dude is going to be a top WR in this league
@Patrickhand20
@Patrickhand20 Жыл бұрын
Bro Garrett legitimately might be bette than Lockette and DK
@parkercaldwell2631
@parkercaldwell2631 Жыл бұрын
@@Patrickhand20 who?
@NotCam16
@NotCam16 Жыл бұрын
@@Patrickhand20 Stop
@FxckNxg
@FxckNxg Жыл бұрын
@@Patrickhand20 dumbest comment I’ve ever seen you got to be slow Lockett is the most underrated receiver in the league 1,000 receiver yards every year since 2019!!!!
@g.forreal3564
@g.forreal3564 Жыл бұрын
I’ll take Woolen! 6 int’s, pick 6, blocked field goal. He filling up the stat sheet.
@MLAMONSTER
@MLAMONSTER Жыл бұрын
Sauce is better at every other statistic lol
@KarvanGamer
@KarvanGamer Жыл бұрын
@@MLAMONSTER Yeah at grabbing
@Flightfan17
@Flightfan17 Жыл бұрын
@@MLAMONSTER sauce has better technique but u can’t teach speed. I take Tariq to be better in the next 5 years
@batboy555
@batboy555 Жыл бұрын
The jets also get more pressure
@mosehlewi3081
@mosehlewi3081 Жыл бұрын
Ill take Sauce who is the best CB right now even while a rookie.
@bry88XXX
@bry88XXX Жыл бұрын
The highlight against the Bengals should have been an easy PI call. It is exactly how not to play CB.
@eliekydd1263
@eliekydd1263 Жыл бұрын
it's exactly how you should play corner, while I think the pi could have gone either way It's still an excellent play considering it wasnt called, obviously hes doing something right if he hasnt been called for pi as much as some people say.
@trentwise3762
@trentwise3762 Жыл бұрын
@@eliekydd1263 i mean by that logic, punching someone is a great play as long as it's not called. sauce has been getting away with SO many PI calls, he had two in a row that were ignored by the refs against seattle, the one against the bengals was a missed call, like there are straight highlights of missed PI on sauce, and we aren't even though his first year.
@bry88XXX
@bry88XXX Жыл бұрын
I have no skin in the game, not a fan of either team, like the players, but Woolen is the more impressive of the two.
@mosehlewi3081
@mosehlewi3081 Жыл бұрын
I also am not a fan of either teams, but my superior football knowledge says there is no comparison...Sauce is the best cornerback right now even as a rookie. Let that sink in. Woolen is maybe top 30
@thatdude2783
@thatdude2783 Жыл бұрын
@mosehlewi3081 more accurately "i fucking hate the seahawks and won't give them credit for fucking anything, despite the FACT that their rookie CB is co-leading the NFL with 6 int and is behind sauce by only 2 passes defensed. All this while being targed ⅓ fewer times than sauce, and also who hasnt been guilty of homding onto and riding recievers down field literally every snap like sauce does. I'm also so shoved up my own ass that I call my clearly biased opinion "superior football knowledge". Yea... that about sums it up. 👍🤡
@JamalTyrone453
@JamalTyrone453 Жыл бұрын
@@mosehlewi3081 nice joke😂😂😂😂😂
@StarSwisss
@StarSwisss Жыл бұрын
@@mosehlewi3081 🤓
@mosehlewi3081
@mosehlewi3081 Жыл бұрын
@@JamalTyrone453 no joke here buddy
@Shadowbot074
@Shadowbot074 Жыл бұрын
I’ll take tied for leading the league in INTs and a pick six
@garenthal9638
@garenthal9638 Жыл бұрын
So you think diggs is a star then lol
@trentwise3762
@trentwise3762 Жыл бұрын
@@garenthal9638 i mean if he has 6 INT and a pick 6 then yeah sure.
@olyprospecting6419
@olyprospecting6419 Жыл бұрын
With the given highlights shown, and with your breakdown, you've proven yourself to be a Sauce homer, period.
@grimey78
@grimey78 Жыл бұрын
woolen has more value on the feild and production even as a fifth rounder
@carneyfn
@carneyfn Жыл бұрын
No he doesent, Sauce allows a negative -25 EPA meaning offenses when they throw his way score negative 25 points then they are supposed to, compared to woolen -1.8 Sauce is KEY to the Jets Defemnse.
@grimey78
@grimey78 Жыл бұрын
@@carneyfn sauce has a higher allowed passer rating more yards allowed and a 3rd of a 5th rounders picks cope
@carneyfn
@carneyfn Жыл бұрын
@@grimey78 draft level doesent make a player better lol and also Woolen has let up a 92.6 passer rating compared to sauce 72.3
@Luh_C3DaMotionMan
@Luh_C3DaMotionMan Жыл бұрын
Ain’t no way he compared Woolen to Diggs Diggs get cooked like pizza every week he even be waving at the receiver💀💀
@joeperez2771
@joeperez2771 Жыл бұрын
Diggs is a flop.....lol
@notimportant1000
@notimportant1000 Жыл бұрын
Even if Tariq doesn’t win DPOY, he’s still gonna be better than sauce for years to come.
@ryleebarker9339
@ryleebarker9339 Жыл бұрын
Agreed, he’s playing like this with WAY less experience at CB than sauce. Sauce will probably get better than he is now but probably won’t by a ton. Woolen on the other hand has tons more to learn and experience as a CB and even without that experience and knowledge he is playing just as good if not better than sauce. Woolen will grow exponentially while sauce will grow linearly
@albertowelchjr3969
@albertowelchjr3969 Жыл бұрын
@@ryleebarker9339only because he is playing with no technique and just speed rn, but when they both evolve sauce will be better because he will learn not to hold
@notimportant1000
@notimportant1000 Жыл бұрын
@@ryleebarker9339 he switched to CB literally last year… what he’s doing is mind blowing.
@notimportant1000
@notimportant1000 Жыл бұрын
@@albertowelchjr3969 sauce can get better but his ceiling isn’t as high as Tariq’s.
@slayercub9496
@slayercub9496 Жыл бұрын
@Alberto Welch jr every Sauce highlight he's holding. Sauce is great don't get me wrong but Woolen is legit and he's been playing that position less than Sauce has. You're seriously barking at every single person who doesn't think Sauce is all that and a bag of chips. Plus Woolen is humble, Sauce is a cry baby diva who acts like his shit don't stink
@Ollv33
@Ollv33 Жыл бұрын
Woolen is literally a pick machine... Dude's speed, ability to bait and close gap. Can't imagine any team would pass woolen up and pick sauce from what we know now. Sauce got that top draft pick bubble protecting him from the refs. Wait till that shit dies off in a year or two...
@vinhkhuc23
@vinhkhuc23 Жыл бұрын
Man the sheer number of PIs from sauce in his "hilight" reel is ridiculous lol
@cygen9566
@cygen9566 Жыл бұрын
Woolen catches the ball... Sauce holds without being called for obvious PI's.
@carlosfuentes9574
@carlosfuentes9574 Жыл бұрын
The benefit of having a cool nickname is they just let you PI every play
@taryn7538
@taryn7538 Жыл бұрын
Sauce held in every highlight
@carneyfn
@carneyfn Жыл бұрын
litteraly every wide reciever initiates contact allowing Sauce to do the same.
@darkalbee
@darkalbee Жыл бұрын
I can’t wait till the jets vs. Seahawks game
@empyo413
@empyo413 Жыл бұрын
I just love watching sauce Commit pi on every play
@krumble211
@krumble211 Жыл бұрын
Opposing receivers: woolen: Courtland Sutton Deebo Samuel Drake London Chris Olave Deandre Hopkins Mike Williams Wandale Robinson Mike Evans-Chris Godwin Davante adams Van Jefferson Dj Moore Brandon ayuik. Sauce Gardner: Rashod Bateman Amari cooper Teehiggins Diontae Johnson Tyreek hill Allen Lazard Courtland Sutton Devante Parker Gave Davis- stefon Diggs Jakobi meyers E st. Brown Justin Jefferson Stefon Diggs and gabe Davis. Tariq woolen shadow rate( how often he follows number 1 receivers) 49 percent) Sauce Gardners shadow rate( 39 percent) Decide for yourself!!🎉😮 Edit: in terms of here and now Sauce is better in my opinion. However, Woolens rapid acquiescence of the position and its complicated fundamentals suggests he and Sauce will be competing for the “best corner” title throughout their career! Exciting! Also: prayers out to Hamlin🙏.
@thatdude2783
@thatdude2783 Жыл бұрын
I'll take woolen all day every day. Only ⅔ the targets, and co-leading the NFL with 6 picks, and behind sauce by only 2 PD. INT always have been, and always will be more impactful than a swatted pass. Dude also doesn't have to grab hold and ride his targets down field every snap either. It's a wonder sauce hasn't been getting flagged damn near every play for holding and PI.
@albertowelchjr3969
@albertowelchjr3969 Жыл бұрын
I’m sorry I got to go with sauce I like having a lockdown guy in my squad, I don’t care about the stat’s because they aren’t everything
@thatdude2783
@thatdude2783 Жыл бұрын
@@albertowelchjr3969 lmfao, woolennIS a lockdowm guy. Mahimes only tested home twice, and one of those was just shy of being riq's 7th pick. Riq ain't getting burned, dudes baiting QBs. Gtfo
@crispycream6385
@crispycream6385 Жыл бұрын
@@albertowelchjr3969 that the whole convo bro. Tariq is not only lockdown hardly allowing anything at all but he’s freak with insane speed and ball skills. Puts him on a different level than sauce
@Furblesnert
@Furblesnert Жыл бұрын
wow, I thought from a lot of the way people (youtubers, commenters on YT as well as actual NFL analysts and other talking heads) that Sauce was shadowing #1s more often than Tariq. Can't wait to see DK torch Sauce once or twice this weekend =P
@rah-misecraig322
@rah-misecraig322 Жыл бұрын
Dang I heard sauce holds a lot… seems kinda true🤔
@carneyfn
@carneyfn Жыл бұрын
I think after 16 weeks in the nfl if he truly held he would be called for more than just 3 DPIs maybe cuz youve heard people say he holds u look for it when u watch the film. Kinda like brainwashing, just being fair.
@Xeractyll
@Xeractyll Жыл бұрын
Woolen was also mentored by Richard Sherman. Got a bit of a head start and has the stats, technique, skill, mindset, and potential to go farther. Woolen all day everyday. Gardner is missing technique, hasn’t adapted to the rules, needs to learn how to play the ball better, and needs to be faster on his feet.
@divinecomedy7311
@divinecomedy7311 Жыл бұрын
Sauce Gardner was begging Twitter for votes to overtake Woolen in the pro bowl, says it all about the two
@carneyfn
@carneyfn Жыл бұрын
Yea, Sauce is always thriving to be the best and he did it in college by going 4th overall. thats what it means, dont overthink it these are pro athletes they dont care abt what poeple like u think.
@divinecomedy7311
@divinecomedy7311 Жыл бұрын
@@carneyfn he's cringe tho
@HydraMods
@HydraMods Жыл бұрын
Woolen tied the season total of picks, and was targeted way less. Sauce defended the most passes, but that just means QB's tried him more. Woolen made QB's pay a worse price if they tried him, which is also why he was so thoroughly compared to Sherman. When he was in his prime, people just didn't throw to his side of the field. Anyway fans will just pick their player, but I think Woolens performance was much more impressive. Best wishes to Sauce though, he's gonna have a career
@wavyyoboybrabro7168
@wavyyoboybrabro7168 Жыл бұрын
Interceptions is not everything woolen is great but Id take sauce but both guys should have amazing careers
@Wwillswords
@Wwillswords Жыл бұрын
Sauce doesn't turn his head that will become a penalty every time in the future. He also has a number one corner across from him making his life easier as he has a mentorship opportunity. Not to mention every one prefers interceptions to deflections as they are momentum shifters in a way deflections aren't. That being said he is doing extremely well for a rookie. Bit I feel the edge has to go to woolen as he turns his head and can utterly swing momentum of games in his team's favor without a vet offering tips on how to do better.
@TopTierHater
@TopTierHater Жыл бұрын
That “number 1 corner” gets targeted WAY more than Sauce🤔
@Wwillswords
@Wwillswords Жыл бұрын
@@TopTierHater He was a number 1 corner both in Seattle and San Francisco.
@sellout7249
@sellout7249 Жыл бұрын
@@TopTierHaterThat number one corner guards wr1 more often then him too
@ilikeme1234
@ilikeme1234 Жыл бұрын
@@TopTierHater on the day you said that Woolen gets targeted more than Sauce, Woolen was at 48 targets and Sauce was at 68. TF are you smoking. You think you can just lie and nobody will look up the stats?
@snkantzas
@snkantzas Жыл бұрын
@@ilikeme1234pretty sure he’s talking about DJ Reed
@joeperez2771
@joeperez2771 Жыл бұрын
Woolen all the way. Once they start watching Sauce. They are gonna throw flags on all those plays you just showed. He is physical, but to early. Like how were those not PI's?????
@ilikeme1234
@ilikeme1234 Жыл бұрын
Yup. I was thinking the same thing. It looks like he’s getting beat so he just throws his body and arms into the play with out even turning his head and making a play on the ball in a lot of the clips.
@GangGreenGullie
@GangGreenGullie Жыл бұрын
Well in those highlights he’s not grabbing. That’s when the flags get thrown
@trentwise3762
@trentwise3762 Жыл бұрын
@@GangGreenGullie he literally runs into the wr on the play right after the guy chooses sauce over woolen.
@joeperez2771
@joeperez2771 Жыл бұрын
@@GangGreenGullie lmao!!!!! Learn to foo5ball before you start watching it on television.......lol
@GangGreenGullie
@GangGreenGullie Жыл бұрын
@@joeperez2771 I actually played the position sir. Also refs are watching him so if it was a penalty they would throw the flag. HOLD THE L
@isaiahsavage2006
@isaiahsavage2006 Жыл бұрын
Most of the highest he showed Sauces is doing P.I
@sssaturn
@sssaturn Жыл бұрын
lmaooo sauce be holding every play
@donalsakran1971
@donalsakran1971 Жыл бұрын
Woolen gives ur O extra possessions and can take in the rock himself. Love both guys they are generational talents no doubt. Woolen by C hair
@mosehlewi3081
@mosehlewi3081 Жыл бұрын
Gardner ranks 1st and Woolen ranks 18th out of all cornerbacks. 1. Chance Gardner 2. Patrick Surtain 3. Jalen Ramsey 4. Charvarius Ward 5. Tyson Campbell 6. Patrick Peterson 7. Jamel Dean 8. Stephon Gilmore 9. Marlon Humphrey 10. Jaire Alexander 11. L'Jarius Sneed 12. Desmond King 13. Darius Slay 14. D.J. Reed 15. James Bradberry 16. Jacee Horn 17. Mike Hilton 18. Tariq Woolen 19. Rasul Douglas 20. Kendall Fuller It is understandable if one removes slot corners Sneed, Hilton, and King II, which would place Woolen at 15. Gardner/Woolen Yards Allowed: 285/460 TDs Permitted: 1/5 Percentage of Allowed Catches: 44.3/56.4 Passer Rating Against: 50.2/74.6 Snaps/Reception: 20.4/17.2 Tackles: 53/46 Missed Tackles: 4/11 Ints: 2/6 Woolen does rank among the top ten in pure coverage. 1. Sauce Gardner 2. Patrick Surtain 3. Patrick Peterson 4. Stephon Gilmore 5. Tyson Campbell 6. James Bradberry 7. Jaire Alexander 8. D.J. Reed 9. Darius Slay 10. Tariq Woolen
@sweekseed7735
@sweekseed7735 Жыл бұрын
Haha. Refreshing to hear someone who actually knows something about something and is not biased to their guy (Im assuming Sauce is not your guy). I can agree with your list.
@Famousx1K
@Famousx1K Жыл бұрын
I’d easily take Woolen.. hands down no debate. But both are very talented/gifted. 🐐🐐
@hamzahal-tobasi8664
@hamzahal-tobasi8664 Жыл бұрын
Don’t forget woolen has a blocked fg too
@benthomas782
@benthomas782 Жыл бұрын
I'd go Tariq purely because very similar stats but has had more big plays and was a 5th rounder. I know quite small minded but they're both great players and sometimes it's who makes more of an impact
@tylerdurdeniii4476
@tylerdurdeniii4476 Жыл бұрын
Sauce gets the recognition simply because he was early pick big $ and woolen was a afterthought5th rounder so they will want sauce to be the bigger star for that reason alone. I don't think it should matter regardless where ur drafted if you prove urself and start in the league then gameplay production all that should matter
@Senor_Sol
@Senor_Sol Жыл бұрын
Gotta pick woolen, as much as i liked Sauce pre draft…. He holds so often i’m shocked he doesn’t get called for it. I don’t see this happening again with how much media covered it. That being said they’re both insane rookies
@kiwi4kian
@kiwi4kian Жыл бұрын
How the hell did woolen fall to the 5th. What tape were scouts watching???
@GoldTalksSports
@GoldTalksSports Жыл бұрын
couldnt tell you
@leemjfreeman9856
@leemjfreeman9856 Жыл бұрын
They are both class, but i'm taking Woolen every time. Mainly because, things Woolen needs to improve on are easier to accomplish than what Sauce lacks. Having said that, both are studs! Sauce will win the award simply because of the team he plays for though.
@carneyfn
@carneyfn Жыл бұрын
The Jets arent a good franchise, hes gonna win the award because hes better.
@kennethrohen5963
@kennethrohen5963 Жыл бұрын
Do you mean the same Jets that the Seahawks beat the crap out of, even though the Seahawks are so banged-up had even more key players injured in that game? 🤣🤣🤣
@carneyfn
@carneyfn Жыл бұрын
@A Fùcking Bird i promise u sauce is just better
@nathanholmes7106
@nathanholmes7106 Жыл бұрын
Sauce in the 1st round, or woolen in the 5th round? I take woolen in the 5th!
@iceforcequest5739
@iceforcequest5739 Жыл бұрын
We are talking about who is the better player. Not when they were drafted no one is doubting that Tariq is a better steal where he was drafted than sauce
@frandavis1990
@frandavis1990 Жыл бұрын
Sauce covering that route against the packers was mind blowing
@geraldgamble6740
@geraldgamble6740 Жыл бұрын
I believe you are wrong, creating turnovers is so huge in a game of inches. Tariq is already a generational talent, and he still has a lot to learn. Tariq's ceiling is much higher.
@adlwilliams
@adlwilliams Жыл бұрын
Tariq has: Bigger size More speed More picks Better technique Pete Carroll(the DB god) coaching him I think Tariq is better now, and i think Tariq will be better in the future
@iceforcequest5739
@iceforcequest5739 Жыл бұрын
Tariq doesn’t have better technique bro 😭
@liamcassidy1834
@liamcassidy1834 Жыл бұрын
as a seahawks fan i’m very grateful that we got woolen. ATM i do think sauce is a more complete player, but in 3 years after woolen develops I think 99% of people are going to take Woolen
@ilikeme1234
@ilikeme1234 Жыл бұрын
What’s crazy is Sauce is definitely the more complete and refined player, but Woolen is outperforming him in key ways and keeping up well in all others. He’s also a CB teams are afraid to throw at in a way they aren’t with Sauce.
@carneyfn
@carneyfn Жыл бұрын
@@ilikeme1234 Sauce Litteraly has 3 games where he wasnt targeted this is just faulse what your saying
@j.ruhland21
@j.ruhland21 Жыл бұрын
Solid breakdown. All things considered, I’d take Freak in the 5th RD over drafting Sauce 4th overall.
@carneyfn
@carneyfn Жыл бұрын
Draft Pick doesent make one corner better than the other thts jut dumb
@brahntheraidking313
@brahntheraidking313 Жыл бұрын
@@carneyfn It has more to do with value. Woolen comes with a cheaper contract and was a lower draft pick, so less was needed to acquire him. Sauce gets the 5th year option. Both look like Elite Defenders.
@448fatbeezy8
@448fatbeezy8 Жыл бұрын
What’s more crazy is Riq couldn’t catch that well in high school as wide receiver but you wouldn’t be able to tell with how he gets picks now
@DarkHound5
@DarkHound5 Жыл бұрын
It’s more of a Revis vs Sherman than Lattimore vs Diggs to me. Woolen is better than Diggs, and I like it being Jets and Seahawks again
@godpromandudegpmd8151
@godpromandudegpmd8151 Жыл бұрын
Its gonna be fun to see the sauce vs woolen matchup week 16
@carneyfn
@carneyfn Жыл бұрын
CB donts play CBs lol
@SeattleRaindrop206
@SeattleRaindrop206 Жыл бұрын
@@carneyfn You know what he means bro
@nnatz03
@nnatz03 Жыл бұрын
Woolen doesn't need to hold and commit PI's on every coverage snap to be effective. He's simply better
@deusvult7546
@deusvult7546 Жыл бұрын
Bro, every highlight, he is literally holding the wide receiver...
@trentwise3762
@trentwise3762 Жыл бұрын
sauce also commits pass interferences like every play and is never called lol. the highlight right after he says he would chose sauce, is sauce running into a defender before the ball gets there
@trevormcguire6984
@trevormcguire6984 Жыл бұрын
As Sherman woulda told Revis back in the day "get your picks up".
@calebdriscoll9329
@calebdriscoll9329 Жыл бұрын
Did I travel back in time when Sherman and Revis were both insanely talented and to make it more crazy is that they both played for the exact same team as woolen and sauce. In year two I wouldn’t be surprised if woolen has matches Sherman’s record🧟‍♂️
@mikeb2240
@mikeb2240 Жыл бұрын
Tariq also has 2 FR and a blocked FG that Sauce doesnt have lol. I think Sauce is great, but Tariq is special.
@thizlam4810
@thizlam4810 Жыл бұрын
As a Seahawks fan, it doesn’t matter to me who wins the award. Tariq is a 5th round pick that’s only played 2 years of CB. The fact he even is in the conversation with the #4 overall pick is wild and K9 will probably win OROY. Tariq is only going to get better and better, he’s also more physically gifted than sauce. They’re both the future of the league and I can’t wait for year 2.
@andrewhaines9119
@andrewhaines9119 Жыл бұрын
Any pick 6 for sauce? Blocked fgs? Forced fumble? Fumbel recover? Qb Sacks? I did not think so....
@dustinmcgrady2171
@dustinmcgrady2171 Жыл бұрын
Sauce should be more complete. He has been playing cornerback his whole career. Woolen was a Receiver that only switched to Corner during his Jr. Year of college. But despite the lack of experience at the position. He is a better athlete. Who is faster and bigger than Gardner. Which means his celling is higher, if he can continue to develop as a corner. Gardner is great and Any team should be thrilled to have either one of them. But Gardner is already pretty polished. Meaning he has less room to grow and get better. While Woolen (the better all around athlete) is just getting started. But they are both phenomenal... Just my "two cents".
@xPhen
@xPhen Жыл бұрын
Woolen is natural and Sauce is technical. One has played the position for many years while the other is semi new to it. I'll give it to those who are natural and thriving over those who are just thriving.
@dylianerwin3890
@dylianerwin3890 Жыл бұрын
Fun fact: Rodney Thomas, who's picture isn't even on the NFL website, has more interceptions than Sauce this year.
@MrExoticDemon
@MrExoticDemon Жыл бұрын
Well woolen gets toasted often🤷‍♀️
@gato1568
@gato1568 Жыл бұрын
Give me Sauce allllllll dayyyyyyyyyyyy
@BaseyCrown
@BaseyCrown Жыл бұрын
Sauce is face guarding grabbing and hitting wr’s early. Not sure why refs don’t flag him more.
@NickRivers-mw8sh
@NickRivers-mw8sh Жыл бұрын
why isn’t jalen pitre in the conversation? he leads rookies with tackles and he has 5 int simply carrying the texans defense atp
@Krispykremer488
@Krispykremer488 Жыл бұрын
gotta be woolen bro every clip i’m this video is pi or holding it’s just a matter of time before it gets called. turnovers are what changes ball games not shut down. not to mention woolen has great coverage as well
@jasonpeters6600
@jasonpeters6600 Жыл бұрын
Woolen has the speed to Bait Quarterbacks… u can’t teach that. Woolen has been targeted half as much. A shutdown corner is the guy Quarterback’s just don’t throw at… that’s Riq…..
@BaseyCrown
@BaseyCrown Жыл бұрын
Lol woolen has stats similar to sauce… except woolen blows sauce away in the stats category.
@Mr05Chuck
@Mr05Chuck Жыл бұрын
No contest on who was a better value in the draft.
@TheTaeko
@TheTaeko Жыл бұрын
Bro you said that woolen was better at the end but still chose sauce. Woolen has 6 ints, blocked fg, pick 6, and covers wr 1s more. Woolen is literally better. If riq doesn’t get droy something’s wrong
@BrockEvil
@BrockEvil Жыл бұрын
Whether you favor Sauce or not, the fact that he's being compared to a 5th rounder should be embarrassing for him.
@CptMonstar
@CptMonstar Жыл бұрын
IMAGINE IF THE JETS DRAFTED BOTH SAUCE AND WOOLEN
@elijahgraham862
@elijahgraham862 Жыл бұрын
Not at all like comparing lattimore and diggs, woolen has allowed less yards completion percentage passer rating, more takeaways, more tds scored, but just has allowed 2 more tds and has 3 less pass breakups. Diggs gave up about 1k yards with 11 picks and 4 tds woolen has allowed 314 yards and 3 tds 15 games into the season. That is a bias decision I am guessing and I think was a bias analysis
@jonnybalz
@jonnybalz Жыл бұрын
In a close race it's Woolen because he's a 5th rounder. Sauce was expected to shine right away, Tariq wasn't.
@carneyfn
@carneyfn Жыл бұрын
Draft Pick is not relevent to whether a player is better than another.
@jonnybalz
@jonnybalz Жыл бұрын
@@carneyfn Why not? A 1st rounder is expected to succeed. A 5th not so much.
@carneyfn
@carneyfn Жыл бұрын
@@jonnybalz just because a player is drafted later does make them better that’s a stupid statement
@Dave-qx3yz
@Dave-qx3yz Жыл бұрын
Sauce is great, but he gets away with alot of holds due to his high draft status
@charlessatiacum7898
@charlessatiacum7898 Жыл бұрын
Seahawks have a habit of getting WR that turned into CB & they always tend to be great
@lildebbie9338
@lildebbie9338 Жыл бұрын
Nah woolen, bro begs for fuckin pro bowl votes lmfaooo
@SyEEDCC
@SyEEDCC 10 ай бұрын
As a Seahawks fan, I always thought Riq was better but just assumed that was my bias. After looking at the comments it’s nice to know that others agree, hawks fan or not.
@andrewhaines9119
@andrewhaines9119 Жыл бұрын
Every clip of sauce is holding or pi. Ha hahaja
@discofoxman
@discofoxman Жыл бұрын
Tarik is 215-220 he’s a super fast brandon browner and Richard Sherman mix
@zimrulezlotrrocz
@zimrulezlotrrocz Жыл бұрын
I don't know about y'all but a lot of Sauce's plays look like PI. Maybe it's just me 🤷🏼
@stevejamieson8468
@stevejamieson8468 Жыл бұрын
It is not just you, we are fed up with the refs letting him get away with it
@ivermectin1974
@ivermectin1974 Жыл бұрын
Every highlight of sauce showed him commuting pass interference. Lol
@davidls187
@davidls187 Жыл бұрын
Sauce is a more tradicional corner with more refined skills, but Woolen is such a freakish athlete, there is no substitute for that. And he's been playing corner for 2 years total, NFL and college combined. It'scrazy to think he's still learning, so his ceiling is higher than Sauce's.
@Cloudkins
@Cloudkins Жыл бұрын
“Press coverage kind of mid” lol, whatttt. He was a press corner in college , they had concerns about him being a zone corner because that’s all they played in cinci. Crazy someone would say sauce press coverage is mid when that was his calling card .
@ryanl.3586
@ryanl.3586 Жыл бұрын
Crazy to think the Jets could have drafted both. Imagine that nightmare for opposing QBs...
@JERSEYBOYPLAY2HARD
@JERSEYBOYPLAY2HARD Жыл бұрын
I’m taking woolen. He’s play based off talent and hasn’t reached his potential yet. Don’t even know all the fundamentals. Sauce already reached his ceiling.
@Isaacmartin090
@Isaacmartin090 Жыл бұрын
Woolen is leading the nfl with ints
@carneyfn
@carneyfn Жыл бұрын
Litteraly means nothing, Trevon Diggs had the most ints but also allowed the most yards from any CB.
@jazzorion1
@jazzorion1 Жыл бұрын
The fact of the matter is this wouldn’t even be a conversation if Tariq had gone to a power 5 school. Because literally they have comparable stats except for INTs where Tariq is blowing him out of the water. And Tariq is doing it while being targeted less than Sauce.
@mosehlewi3081
@mosehlewi3081 Жыл бұрын
5 tds allowed by Tariq to Sauce's 1 and no it's not 3 for Tariq. PFR or whatever stats you guys got is wrong. Pete carroll confirmed Woolen gave up 54yd td to kittle for busted coverage. PFR didnt correctly credit Woolen for that allowed TD.
@jazzorion1
@jazzorion1 Жыл бұрын
@@mosehlewi3081Woolen is still leading *the league* in interceptions, which includes vets, and *still* has mostly similar stats to Sauce, despite being thrown at waaaaay less.
@mosehlewi3081
@mosehlewi3081 Жыл бұрын
@@jazzorion1 another false lie by seattle fans lol Woolen has just 5 less targets than Gardner, 64 to 69. It's funny how you guys just parrot straight up falsehoods when you can just look at the film or a couple of stats site. Yesterday Woolen was targeted 9 times and Gardner 8 times, of course Woolen gave up more catches and yards (5 and 45) than Gardner (3 and 17). Of course woolen was beat a lot more times.
@king-crane4956
@king-crane4956 Жыл бұрын
I would for sure take Woolen over Sauce. He is always gonna remember that he was a 5th round pick and that could fuel him to beat everyone in terms of preparation. Dude also barely played corner in college and when he came into camp the defensive coordinator said he couldn’t catch anything which will only give him more to learn from the position as time goes on. Also I’m taking 4 more picks all day, turnovers win the game and he must have put magnets in his gloves and the ball since he seems to get hands on a ball almost every game. I also didn’t like that Sauce in the news complaining that he was getting less pro bowl votes than Woolen was, seems like a selfish thing for such a high draft pick to be complaining about.
@SeattleRaindrop206
@SeattleRaindrop206 Жыл бұрын
Agree 1,000%
@jordanr1413
@jordanr1413 Жыл бұрын
Woolen better. Sauce also has a top 3 dline.
@carneyfn
@carneyfn Жыл бұрын
Sauce has made his D Line better he allows a -25 EPA, if u dont know what that is look it up
@jordanr1413
@jordanr1413 Жыл бұрын
@@carneyfn didn’t make dline better today 😂
@MacNcheezeTastesGood
@MacNcheezeTastesGood Жыл бұрын
Imagine these two on a team
@Itzjackplays
@Itzjackplays Жыл бұрын
Great vid
@GoldTalksSports
@GoldTalksSports Жыл бұрын
thanks man
@cstep100
@cstep100 Жыл бұрын
Don’t forget Alontae Taylor
@GoldTalksSports
@GoldTalksSports Жыл бұрын
fax bro
@shawnrobinson6650
@shawnrobinson6650 Жыл бұрын
When did making contact with the receiver without looking back for the ball become ok.
@Yeetly
@Yeetly Жыл бұрын
Why ppl gotta make it a debate both are good end of story
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