The Different Kinds of Exploration in Outer Wilds

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The Lore Explorer

The Lore Explorer

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Hello everyone! One thing Ive been thinking about a lot is the reason the Owlks had to leave home and go to the eye. The Nomai were able to determine the eye was older than the universe through its signal. The Owlk did seem to have a vision like when they scanned the eye. But we arent shown it. Anyway. This train of thought led to this video! Hope you enjoy!
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@mothman7786
@mothman7786 2 жыл бұрын
I feel like if the Nomai we know found the eye and discovered its goal, I'd wager they'd start hosting the festival at the system. Like you said, they'd probably be honoured to become a part of the process, and I could imagine that nearing the end of the universe, they'd gather to share everything they've learned before entering the eye. Their methods are all about planning ahead and preserving life, even life that will evolve long after their lifetimes (see, how you mentioned they'd reserve enough ore for the Hearthians to use if they evolved). I can't think of a more fitting way for them to meet the eye than coming together, and passing down their clans' discoveries and experiences with the old universe to the new one.
@prototypelq8574
@prototypelq8574 2 жыл бұрын
There is a child's project about Nomai science festivals in the Hanging City school.
@Pactastic042
@Pactastic042 2 жыл бұрын
@@prototypelq8574 that's about the festival they had once in a while to celebrate achievements of different clans I think
@dedalus6188
@dedalus6188 2 жыл бұрын
man you almost made me cry
@arthuroliveira7300
@arthuroliveira7300 2 жыл бұрын
My personal interpretation is a bit more metaphorical The Nomai were always scientific, curious and open to new ideas and aware of their impact on future generations. They never truly understood the nature of the Eye but were not afraid of it. The owl people on the other hand, were unfortunate to have become obsessed to learn what it was, and when they did, they were traumatized, they didn't even think of the possibility that the world as they knew it would give place to something else, that they would die one day. So they decided to ignore it, burn their libraries, hide behind illusions of eternal life after death and eternal punishment for those who disagreed, and keep the truth hidden, damning all future generations as the cost for a few extra moments where they could keep the status quo and pretend they would live forever.
@lukemills237
@lukemills237 2 жыл бұрын
If they'd built robot bodies instead of the simulation, they actually COULD have lived forever.
@pedroferreira5478
@pedroferreira5478 2 жыл бұрын
Honestly, I feel people are overthinking too much about the whole "why would the owlks destroy their homeworld just to see the Eye?" thing. Our own species is destroying our homeworld for reasons nowhere near as cool as discovering the ultimate secret of the universe; are the owlks really that hard to understand?
@TheLoreExplorer
@TheLoreExplorer 2 жыл бұрын
I really don’t think that’s a fair comparison. When we started damaging things we didn’t understand what we were doing. And we did it to drastically improve our daily lives. And for all the damage we do we still aren’t chopping down every tree. Literally draining our water systems. And so on. What they did is too drastic to just write off as normal IMO. I legit can’t understand their actions. Let’s even ignore their home world and think about this in literal terms. They get to the eye. Scan it. Try to prevent it from “ending their story”. Then they go commit mass suicide. Like. Yeah. Humans do weird things. But IMO these aren’t comparable.
@BarbaricCrafter1
@BarbaricCrafter1 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheLoreExplorer I think the Owlks either prophesized the eye as you mentioned in the video or it is also possible that they could have been a fairly intelligent species with knowledge of it from other nomads like the Nomai (though there's no reason to believe any other species exist aside from the ones we're shown) Whatever the reason is, I believe you were also correct that they were very blind to faith, a lot of the actions we can see from the game proves that they have a cultural tendency to covet everything. It's curious why their dream world is shrouded in darkness that can only be lit with a lantern in your hand - unless you take the notion that they are so nostalgic that even the darkness of their prior homeworld is comforting to their species - which also happens to reflect taking the comfort in ignorance that they prefer. It's hard to say why the Owlks became xenophobic, nostalgic, and conservative after moving their entire existence on an adventure of mystery, ambition, and inspiration. Maybe the Prisoner held more influence over the Owlks in the early days than s/he did at the end of their story.
@virtual_bomber5698
@virtual_bomber5698 2 жыл бұрын
People are over thinking it. The Nomai were willing to sacrifice the entire solar system just to see if the ATP worked. And that was just to find out where the eye was, they didn’t even know where the hell it was. Was it an absolute extreme measure the Owlks took and was wrong? Of course. The Nomai are a close second, almost their entire clan became obsessed with finding it.
@pewienczlowiekag3111
@pewienczlowiekag3111 2 жыл бұрын
@@BarbaricCrafter1 about darkness, i think it's dark only because it's night time there, and since we are there technically for only 22 minutes, sun does seemingly never rise. I think that there is a normal day/night cycle, but loop's length forbids us from seeing it.
@BarbaricCrafter1
@BarbaricCrafter1 2 жыл бұрын
@@pewienczlowiekag3111 I don't think that's accurate, using any other planet for reference, they orbit the sun more than twice. Even if you use the fact that the Stranger is really far from the sun, it's stationary anyway, since it's always pinpointed by the satellite at 40 degrees. But to be fair we don't know how long an average day is to the Owlks. Edit: I meant they revolve asking their own axes more than twice, not around the sun.
@alaster555
@alaster555 2 жыл бұрын
Personally I question if the eye of the universe has some property that compells thoes who learn/hear its signal to search it out. It seems that the Nomi, Elks and the player (aka everyone who knew of and/or herd the signal) all became somewhat obsessed with finding the eye and seaked it out and ultimately had little regard for the possible destruction of their home to accomplish such a feat.
@sharpenedspoon
@sharpenedspoon 2 жыл бұрын
This makes a ton of sense. The eye *needs* an observer in order to uncollapse the universe, so maybe it sends out a siren's call of sorts
@vincentbailon7007
@vincentbailon7007 2 жыл бұрын
I always interpreted it not as a siren call of sorts, but just that amazing and crazy that people had to find it. I don’t think it affected their psyche, it was just that awesome
@pablopereyra7126
@pablopereyra7126 2 жыл бұрын
Everyone who heard it understood it was unbelievably rare, important and impossible at the same time. No matter the time or species, everyone thought "A signal *older* than the universe it exists in? I've gotta find that!"
@jamjar1726
@jamjar1726 2 жыл бұрын
i think the eye is hypnotic someway; since it inspires religion in both civilisations.
@alaster555
@alaster555 2 жыл бұрын
Not just worship the eye, both races were willing to risk the destruction of everything they knew just for the chance to get to the eye. The owelks did destroy their home moon/solar system and the nomi were willing to risk exploding the solar system for the chance to get to the eye.
@kilroy7506
@kilroy7506 2 жыл бұрын
When you see something older than the universe, that tends to happen
@TheLoreExplorer
@TheLoreExplorer 2 жыл бұрын
Sure. But there is no reason to believe the owlks were able to date the signal like the nomai did.
@kilroy7506
@kilroy7506 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheLoreExplorer isn’t there? We already saw that they scanned they eye to determine its purpose, and in the dream world the prisoner uses their staff to communicate their memories as a sort of universal translator (of course I’m not saying we know this is a technology they had irl, just that it would be strange if they just came up with this randomly). This is a race that clearly has some sort of connection with memories, so it stands to reason that they would be able to gauge the eye’s age, or lack thereof. Also, if I can add I don’t think the eye was giving off light. I think that this is just the owlk way of showing signals, as in the final slide we can see the nomai receiving these signals.
@TheLoreExplorer
@TheLoreExplorer 2 жыл бұрын
They do have that memory staff tech “irl.” We find it in the test labs. But the eye isn’t a person to give memories. It doesn’t have memories to give. When they got there and actually scanned it they may have learned it’s age. But as far as I can tell the only hope that they aged the eye before they went to find it is the light. which owlks seem to be able to perceive or feel. The only reason I think it gave off light is they use a telescope to pick it up. With an eye hole and all that. Most other forms of telescopes don’t have them since you can’t see in the radio wave spectrum. Plus, they seem to instantly understand something. And the prisoner hints that they can feel light of the campfire at the end. So I think they can understand light in a certain way. I cant think of any other way they’d date the signal(before they went to look for it)
@jamjar1726
@jamjar1726 2 жыл бұрын
from watching this video i theorise that the hearthians represent humanity's opportunity the nomai represent humanity's love of knowlage the owlks represent humanity's greed
@crazynachos4230
@crazynachos4230 2 жыл бұрын
And it's fear in a way
@masterzoroark6664
@masterzoroark6664 2 жыл бұрын
I think Prisoner did what he/they did because he somewhat knew that if the Universe will end someday it's better for someone to find The Eye and start a new one. I presume first Stranger scientists who scanned the eye misinterpreted the purpose of the Eye as pure destruction, that's why they feared it.
@mayatung
@mayatung 2 жыл бұрын
this toe-stubbing-hiking-friend seems oddly specific
@sploofmcsterra4786
@sploofmcsterra4786 2 жыл бұрын
I'm surprised you didn't talk about the design of their ships. The Hearthians are focused on thrill and exploration, hence they have very versatile, all-round ships. The Nomai are focused on seeking out new phenomena, and hence their shuttles are built with the purpose of travelling to new places only, rather than exploring the details. Meanwhile the ships of the Owl peeps built a ship that is unable to propel itself except with solar sails indicating their intent of a one-purpose journey. I think it's also important not to focus on criticising the owl people, obviously they are meant to be more flawed than the nomai. Because they are meant to represent out human flaws.
@TheLoreExplorer
@TheLoreExplorer 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah. I wanted to talk about the ships. That’s why I at least showed all the different kinds the hearthians still use. Thing is I can’t figure out the stranger. Their “solar sails” don’t even point at the sun in their reels. The stranger filters out all light except our suns light. Yet we know the sun doesn’t power the stranger either. As even after all suns explode we can live on in the simulation for a long time. Also, IMO, just because a species is meant to be flawed. Or represent our flaws. That doesn’t give them a pass. How are we meant to learn the lesson if we don’t analyze it?
@ADonutMan
@ADonutMan 2 жыл бұрын
4th type of explration: the lore explorer. He will explore all the lore there is (and some say even some that is not there) and nothing/nobody can stop him! P.s. Also what hapened to your discord? I'm here recently and you stopeed metioning it, was it closed?
@ReavoEnd
@ReavoEnd 2 жыл бұрын
He's explained it before, but yes. The Discord community was closed because it was too cumbersome to moderate and upkeep.
@ADonutMan
@ADonutMan 2 жыл бұрын
@@ReavoEnd Sad
@donaghwilson7715
@donaghwilson7715 2 жыл бұрын
Just a quick nitpick to help the lore video. The ringed planet is not there home planet. They lived on that planets moon. That's why it's in all there pictures. It'd be like us having the moon in pictures of the night sky. Of course, them living on a moon does have some interesting connotations about there homeworld and possibly their society/beliefs. I've actually almost never seen a game have a moon be the habitable one despite how cool a concept it is. Though, if any game was going to, it would be Outer wilds
@virtual_bomber5698
@virtual_bomber5698 2 жыл бұрын
Wait.....Wasn't the ewoks on the MOON of Endor? Thats the only other example I can think of with a hospitable moon.....
@donaghwilson7715
@donaghwilson7715 2 жыл бұрын
@@virtual_bomber5698 That's a *intense downwards stare* star..... wars?reference? But ya, it's a cool concept but it is very rarely used. Frankly no mans sky is the main place that gave me a liking of the concept, but I think that in subnautica it might happen or there might just be another planet nearby. Wish it was used more as it is an interesting but simple concept
@TheLoreExplorer
@TheLoreExplorer 2 жыл бұрын
I don’t think I say it is. If I do it’s accidental because I specially point out that the ringed planet is in their night sky. And say they could have mined the rings(it seems like an actual gas giant you can’t visit to me. Idk) or neighboring planets instead of destroy their home world.
@donaghwilson7715
@donaghwilson7715 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheLoreExplorer fair. Sorry to nitpick. And ye, looks like a gas giant so they would need decent space suits to survive the gravity. Which does bring a question. Did the owlks even have space suits?
@TheLoreExplorer
@TheLoreExplorer 2 жыл бұрын
Wow. That’s a great question. I want to say “yeah. They must’ve”. But if I remember right when we see them in the space port with no oxygen(in the real they build and launch the eye signal blocker)I don’t remember them wearing suits. I’ll have to check when I get home from vacation but as of now I want to say no. I don’t remember ever seeing owlk space suits.
@JLN93
@JLN93 2 жыл бұрын
I don't think the Owlks sealed The Eye away simply because it wasn't something amazing. I think they short-sightedly destroyed their planet to build The Stranger and visit The Eye. But then, the priest (or whomever it was in the second historical slideshow) found out that The Eye would destroy the universe, and they realized that the thing they'd sacrificed their home for was (to them) some sort of malevolent, universe-destroying being. It's sort of like if you invested all of your life savings in a promising-sounding company that turned out to be a Ponzi scheme. At that point, the Owlks had two options: blame themselves, or blame The Eye. Blaming themselves would mean admitting that they destroyed their entire way of life just for this mysterious celestial body. So, they decided to blame The Eye. It's not too dissimilar to Solanum's view (i.e. that The Eye called her people to that solar system just to trap and kill them). That's why they burnt part of the first historical slideshow: they were too ashamed to remember that they'd sacrificed everything for this "evil" Eye.
@TheLoreExplorer
@TheLoreExplorer 2 жыл бұрын
Well that’s kind of my point. If it were something amazing they wouldn’t need to accept responsibility or blame anything. Instead, it’s something they interpret as bad. And so they lay blame on the eye. But even then. Holy cow is your logic flawed. Something doesn’t become good or bad after the fact. It was bad while doing it. They should have missed their home before then. Idk. I guess maybe they had a vision when they first receive the signal that we don’t see. But that led them to do what they did. Then when that was proven wrong they got upset?
@kylerandall5170
@kylerandall5170 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheLoreExplorer I think it’s less about shame and more about self preservation. They’re a prideful species - they have antlers all over their architectures and furniture and everything reflects on them. They love their life so much that they created a ring world that was similar to their planet (and eventually a simulation of it that would let them live in it forever). The idea that the eye’s purpose is to end their existence and make way for something new is terrible to them. It makes complete sense that they would want to hide it, not out of shame, but to keep anybody from ever finding it and triggering the end.
@TheLoreExplorer
@TheLoreExplorer 2 жыл бұрын
I would agree with this if they didnt almost immediately go commit mass suicide. In the literal sense.
@echoinggarden6923
@echoinggarden6923 2 жыл бұрын
I got a question for Nomai, Could not Nomai in our system send signals to their people in the different solar systems, so their species can all come to analyze the eye? I remember they have a traditional festival for tech discussion once in a while. Thanks ahead
@BarbaricCrafter1
@BarbaricCrafter1 2 жыл бұрын
The Nomai's two successful escape pods kept running until the end of the universe. If other Nomai clans could have heard the signal, they would have.
@echoinggarden6923
@echoinggarden6923 2 жыл бұрын
@@BarbaricCrafter1 Yeah, I was wondering why they did not respond, their warp technology is so advanced which leads me to believe their communication should be fairly advanced too.
@TheLoreExplorer
@TheLoreExplorer 2 жыл бұрын
This is actually really weird IMO. We KNOW the vessel picked up more recent signals. So why couldn’t the clans in range of the vessel hear the escape pod signals? My guess is dark bramble has connections all over the universe. But IMO the logic still questions to why the nomai in our system didn’t ty to build more powerful signal senders.
@echoinggarden6923
@echoinggarden6923 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheLoreExplorer Indeed. Let me guess it, maybe if all Nomai clans arrive, they would be able to locate the stranger only in a matter of time. I never doubt Nomai's exploration spirit and endless attempts to seak for knowledge. I guess keeping the story in this way kinda avoids Nomai's clan entering the eye of the universe way too early. Thus our story could begin. ( This way also fits the prediction of our owl friend, lol)
@echoinggarden6923
@echoinggarden6923 2 жыл бұрын
@ShortClipsFromGames In one scroll, owl friend saw eye bring an end to the whole universe. That is why they block the signal of the eye. However, they might not know questions like when/how/why eye will do that.
@HK_BLAU
@HK_BLAU 2 жыл бұрын
i find it strange how the owlks managed to become so advanced seemingly out of nowhere if they didn't care about exploration and were just content with living their lives on their home moon stagnantly. even the prisoner says that their kind wasn't always like that when you speak to them in the ancient glade which kinda makes their actions after detecting the eye even more nonsensical. it's as if all their principles were thrown out the window from just the detection of the eye, prior to even finding out what the eye would do.
@virtual_bomber5698
@virtual_bomber5698 2 жыл бұрын
Well, the Nomai leader on the vessel threw all caution to the wind when they detected the signal and instantly warped there without telling any other clan where they were going. It was such a foolish decision.
@TheLoreExplorer
@TheLoreExplorer 2 жыл бұрын
It was the wrong decision. But it was actually well reasoned IMO. Not foolish. And it turned out to be right. If they didn’t warp immediately they very well could have lost it.
@HK_BLAU
@HK_BLAU 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheLoreExplorer yeah, from what i'd like to think the warping is generally very safe and thus the tiny risk of warping before notifying other clans seems justified to ensure that they find the eye. they just got extremely unlucky that whatever shenanigans the bramble was up to got in their way.
@dedalus6188
@dedalus6188 2 жыл бұрын
@@HK_BLAU yeah probably the space distortion of the bramble caused the warp to bug or something and they ended up there
@virtual_bomber5698
@virtual_bomber5698 2 жыл бұрын
I think you may be speaking to highly of the Nomai. I do believe they would have done something similar to the Owlks, if they were to figure out what the eye did, even for the simple reason of trying preserve life in the universe. They would have had massive resentment for the eye if they could figure out what it did without interacting with it. A lot of them blamed the eye for them being stuck there to begin with and, again, if they could have figured out what the eye would have done after ALL of their work to get there.....they seriously would have snapped. (I know I am repeating myself quite continuously in this paragraph, I'm just trying to get my point across.) Also, I think it was natural for the Owlks to react the way they did. All of their sacrifice was rendered moot after that one Owlk used the vision torch on the eye. In their way of communicating, it was the eye telling them everything will die and be reborn. IF the Owlks were at the end of the universe, like we are during our playthrough, they would have submitted to the eye and let nature take its course. The hatchling knows the universe is dying right before his very eyes and everything he knows is about to be erased in the supernova. He literally had nothing to lose by interacting with the eye, unlike the Owlks which sacrificed everything for nothing. They didn't just "stubbed their toe" on their venture to the eye. They wrecked their entire world and collectively, as a species, went fucking mad. Literally.
@TheLoreExplorer
@TheLoreExplorer 2 жыл бұрын
I really don’t think the nomai would have gone mad. As you mentioned. Some nomai already dislike or resent the eye for what it did. Yet they still agree to build the atp. Then, over time, not only finding the eye. But as solanum mentions. What would happen after they enter and observe the eye becomes their clans main goal. IMO they wouldn’t get upset just because it facilitates the end of the universe. Some already suspected it survives the last one. So I don’t think that’d be too out of left field. As for the owlks. Come on bud. They were mad to begin with. Almost no scenario leaves a non mad species to destroy everything they love to reach an unknown. And we also have to keep in mind we don’t know if the eye even does destroy the universe. The visions they get seem to be abstract and not literal. The eye could simply be showing them what will happen in the future. And yeah. I think if the nomai were in the same shoes they may try to stop or prevent it. But even then I think it’s for different reasons and you can’t compare the two. The owlks weren’t doing it to save the universe. They were doing it because “they were afraid their story would come to and end”. These are traits I just don’t think the nomai had. Even when the universe finally comes to an end the nomai didn’t seem worried or scared. They just met up with each other to wait out the universes end. Idk. As I said in the video I haven’t had the chance to study the owlks and their reasons for doing what they did. But let’s reason this out. They learned what the eye was or maybe did. They stopped it from calling out out of fear of it harming them or their species. Then they proceed to commit ritualistic suicide by allowing their true bodies to whither and die. The two actions don’t even reason out with each other. If you’re going to prevent your early demise….why manufacture your own right after? Imo none of that seems natural bud. I’ll admit people do strange things when confronted with tough situations. But geez boy oh heck does this make little sense to me.
@TheLoreExplorer
@TheLoreExplorer 2 жыл бұрын
We also have to keep in mind that the nomai didn’t have a hidden agenda. They just wanted to learn what the eye was. So even if they did and it was a bad thing. They still achieved their goal and learned the most important thing in the universe(almost literally)
@virtual_bomber5698
@virtual_bomber5698 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheLoreExplorer The Owlks didn't have a hidden agenda either. They saw the importance of the eye just as the Nomai did, which is why they took extreme measures to even get to the eye. They did not have warp technology as the nomai, so they had to build a self sustaining ship. The closest star to earth, besides the sun, is 4.22 lightyears away. So at a minimum of 4 years they had to talk and teach each other about the eye (if not much longer). This is if they could even travel light speed. Don't know if you noticed this or not, but in the slide reel of them reaching up to the eye when they receive the it's signal is VERY similar to the Nomai reaching up right before they turn into a shuttle when you are in the eye of the universe. I do agree that they were peaceful and lived on a serene planet, but their actions imply they saw the massive importance of receiving the eye's signal. When they discovered the eye meant death (we know it means rebirth as well but the massive amount of death is still there) after their sacrifice, they rebelled against the eye. They had no way to return home and obviously felt horrible for what they did. To return home and to avoid death as much as possible they created the simulation. You must of not heard stories of people doing horrible and strange things when confronted with such trauma. Especially when it's an entire alien race that feels the same way and they feed into each other's trauma. Think of the cults that have mass suicides, except the Owlks truly had a reason to feel terrible. Instead of dying though, they wanted to revisit their home planet and that turned into trying to live forever. Is it right they did all of this? Probably not, but they had no one else (except the prisoner) to tell them different and they did not know what else to do. Them just burning the reels shows how ashamed they are of their actions. They didn't manufacture their own demise from the start. They wanted to revisit their world, even if it was artificial. When they discovered that dead owlks arrived in the simulation, they realized they created their own afterlife. Probably then, did they agree to all go into it together. This all happened over a period of time as well. The reel in the forbidden vault that shows the dead can not be woken up by the bells, that dead owlk is almost nothing but bones at that point. Now granted, that was probably a gameplay design to show the player that that particular owlk was 100 percent dead but it also shows a passing of time with them testing the simulation and perfecting it. They were trying to figure out what they could and could not do. The eye was not showing the future. The slide reel shows the vision torch scanning the eye. Then the torch shows the Owlk when he touches the eye, therefore, interacting with it. The eye showed the owlk what would transpire if the Owlk interacted with it through the vision torch. I'm not calling their actions right. It is very sad that became of them, but my original point about the nomai possibly reacting in their own bad way still stands. Especially the ones that got stuck in the solar system. Would they have done the same thing and to the extent the owlks did? Unlikely, but I do believe there would have been SOME kind of reaction from them IF the universe was NOT dying at the time the Nomai discovered the eye's signal. Another tidbit and then I am done. The Owlks could have been long and dead even when the Nomai got there. The Nomai's warp technology is instant, but the eye's signal is not. Any kind of signal travels at the speed of light, and it shows the signal going past 3 solar systems and then hitting the vessel somewhere in deep space. There is no telling how long it took for the signal to travel to the Nomai. My point with this statement is that the time of the Owlks, with doing everything that they did, wasn't at the end of the universe. They did not know the universe was going to die like it did, so they tried to protect it.
@TheLoreExplorer
@TheLoreExplorer 2 жыл бұрын
I don’t mean to sound rude but I think you’re making a lot of assumptions here. The nomai only followed the signal because the vessel was able to tell them I t was older than the universe. With the owlks we have no idea why they followed it. Or if they knew that. And there is absolutely no reason to believe the vision they have is literal. Other visions we give or see aren’t. And of course there is a chance the nomai would react bad if they learned about the eye. All I said was with having studied the base game. I don’t THINK the nomai would care. In the sense that they wouldn’t run and hide from the rest of the universe. And lastly. I think you’re looking too brightly on the owlks. I absolutely don’t think they sealed the eye off to protect the universe. Again, quoting the prisoner, “my species was scared to see its story reach its end”. They did it selfishly. So I think we just disagree on this one bud.
@virtual_bomber5698
@virtual_bomber5698 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheLoreExplorer Of course not everything is literal but bro cmon, the vision explicitly shows the owlk touching the eye and then everything happens. That part was not metaphorical at all man. Before that, the owlk was shown literally exclaiming to his people about the eye. That slide reel implies that what he saw described the eye’s signal to some unknown extent, and more than likely it’s age. There is to much about this game to convey through text. They definitely rebelled against the eye through fear, I do agree on that. They might have thought they were saving the universe as well, because they were not at the end of it like the Nomai were. But yeah, we may have to agree to disagree.
@ZephyrDaCrow
@ZephyrDaCrow 2 жыл бұрын
How cool would it be if the hearthian brought solanum to one of the statues and then she helped them with their exploration.
@Pactastic042
@Pactastic042 2 жыл бұрын
Should be a mod
@fracche89
@fracche89 2 жыл бұрын
Solanum is both dead and alive on the quantum moon (you can see her corpses on the other satellite versions). She cannot leave the quantum realm.
@sornyeilevente973
@sornyeilevente973 2 жыл бұрын
She kinda dead tho
@Mr_PotatoMaster
@Mr_PotatoMaster 2 жыл бұрын
My guess is that the owlks have some kind of telepathic ability, which allows them to convert signals (such as the eye signal and the signal the probe sent (the probe of the eye)) into information through the fire.
@CaptainWobbs
@CaptainWobbs 2 жыл бұрын
Personally, I disagree. My opinion is that everything in this game is supposed to be grounded in science, on different levels. The Hearthians’ technology is based on practical science- The kind of thing we understand and have in practice in the current day. The Nomai’s technology is based on theoretical sciences- Time travel and quantum physics may be possible, and we have a vague understanding of them, but we aren’t at the point of implementing them. The Strangers’ technology is… Well, there’s an old adage that “magic is just science we don’t understand yet”. Give a knight a smartphone and they’ll probably assume it’s magic. I believe the same concept is applied here; their tech is very advanced, to the point where we can’t even really guess how it works, but it isn’t supernatural.
@TheLoreExplorer
@TheLoreExplorer 2 жыл бұрын
Not to sound rude here captain wobbs. But what else would you call the staffs that allow you to transfer your memories to others? The telescope they used seemed to be similar to the staffs. And so it’s very possible they recover a message we were shown. I think it’s a technology and not an inherent ability. But still. A lot of the game is based on science. And if you follow the channel you know how important to me that is. But one version of the end slide is literally a flat hearth theory come to live. We can’t apply real science to everything.
@JCJENSON_IN_SPACEEEEEEEEE
@JCJENSON_IN_SPACEEEEEEEEE 2 жыл бұрын
Wow I was just gonna try to draw some outer wilds when this posted
@NikoNOJ
@NikoNOJ 2 жыл бұрын
It might not seem obvious to you, but your tonal voice and talking style seems really genine and even benevolent / soothing. Such a breeze merely listening to you. You're a cool bean.
@TheLoreExplorer
@TheLoreExplorer 2 жыл бұрын
This is one of the kindest comments Ive ever gotten. Thank you so much Niko!
@cbandit7715
@cbandit7715 2 жыл бұрын
Curiosity vs fear
@jeb_kerm1671
@jeb_kerm1671 2 жыл бұрын
yo wow im early holy moly
@jamjar1726
@jamjar1726 2 жыл бұрын
i think that the heartheans are smarter than the nomai
@TheLoreExplorer
@TheLoreExplorer 2 жыл бұрын
UHHH….ok.
@Mr_PotatoMaster
@Mr_PotatoMaster 2 жыл бұрын
We know that the nomai started to worship the eye, so maybe the owlks did the same and just blinded threw themselves at it, only to find out it would destroy the universe, and then just became completely desolated with the loss of their homeworld
@vardets1032
@vardets1032 2 жыл бұрын
do you have a NOT expired discord link
@TheLoreExplorer
@TheLoreExplorer 2 жыл бұрын
No. The discord has been dissolved. Sorry bud.
@vardets1032
@vardets1032 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheLoreExplorer sadness
@sook-iii
@sook-iii 2 жыл бұрын
This has gotta be one of my new favourite videos, I clicked expecting a game design breakdown of all our favourite game in alien design, but I got a guy insulting a species of fictional alien for upwards of 10 minutes. Genuinely hilarious, ty
@jadegecko
@jadegecko 11 ай бұрын
Seeing the ship design evolution at 2:24 is interesting. Some ships only have authority to thrust forward (Feldspar) or upward (Chert), and have to reorient themselves to adjust in other axes. Some have to land blind, tail-down (Riebeck). Some don't force the pilot to land blind, but do deny them the ability to see in the direction they're flying (Chert). If I had to guess, I'd say Feldspar first (because Feldspar's a daredevil), then Chert (because landings are too difficult tail-down), then Riebeck (because all-axis control is important - though they forgot the landing blind part), then Gabbro (basically a finished design, save for the lack of a belly-mounted docking port), and yours.
@SilverTippedArrow101
@SilverTippedArrow101 2 жыл бұрын
I think you got it kind of wrong about the owl dudes. I don't know how technologically advanced they were when they heard the eye, but it could have been interpreted as a god. I say that, because if you compare the nomai (who were very technologically advanced), they worshiped the eye. They viewed it as all knowing, all seeing, even had shrines dedicated to it and had doubts about its goodness or maliciousness. They knew it was older than the universe itself. I think the Owl guys also interpreted it as a god, went there, interacted with it and found out that interacting with it ends the universe. How would you feel if god told you looking at him ended everything you've ever known?
@SilverTippedArrow101
@SilverTippedArrow101 2 жыл бұрын
I also wanted to mention, the owl people had a shrine on the stranger to the eye of the universe. It was there after they built the stranger, and then they burned it down after they found out interacting with the eye ends the universe.
@TheLoreExplorer
@TheLoreExplorer 2 жыл бұрын
Thats actually kind of my point dude. Even if it were due to religion. They still went searching for a single thing with tons of faith involved. Thats a horrible reason to explore. Taking off on a long journey with assumptions of whats at the end is bad form. You go to learn or you go to explore. You dont go to find something in particular. Especially if you have no evidence of this thing actually being what you saw. And no. Knowing religious script Im not so sure id go try to meet god. And I definitely wouldn't be surprised or mad if they actually did tell me they were going to destroy the universe. They are god. They are all knowing. They know best. Anyway imo nothing in the game indicates the universe ends due to the eye. Before anyone even looks at the eye the entire universe is already dead. So I think its just a misinterpretation of the reel.
@NateAlyn
@NateAlyn 2 жыл бұрын
Amazing video as always!
@TheLoreExplorer
@TheLoreExplorer 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much Nate! Glad you enjoyed it!
@bonesfloodedwithdreams
@bonesfloodedwithdreams 2 жыл бұрын
Watching this video ended up making me realize a possible interpretation of how people react to the Eye of the Universe. I think it's a lesson of worship; the Nomai revered and worshiped the Eye, while the Owlks hated it with such a passion it might as well have been worship. Like humans, we need to have *something* we can place our faith in. Some sense of stability, of control -- whether that be a higher power or something else. We are desperate as a society to cling to whatever branch of hope we're given. The Nomai and Owlks, they all saw the Eye as a powerful being -- an ultimatum, an answer to all of their questions, and problems. But...then comes us. The Hearthians, the Hatchling. We come to the realization that, as powerful as it is...it isn't an answer to anything. It simply Is. It is simply indifferent, it simply exists, neither benevolent or malevolent as previously thought. The lesson here is that these things just happen. And that is both depressing, and fulfilling. But it's difficult to live with that, and we need to have something, ANYTHING to believe in. We don't know what the Nomai and Owlks were like at the time, what sort of challenges they may have faced, but I think like humans, more than anything else, they desperately chased the Eye because more than anything, we want there to be something greater.
@ultrafun2227
@ultrafun2227 Жыл бұрын
Owls are the opposite of Nomai. The Nomai fell into an unfamiliar system, lost many technologies, but still tried to achieve their goal. Nomai are driven by curiosity. The owls refused to admit their mistake, hid in a simulation and imprisoned the only one who tried to change their fate. Owls are driven by fear.
@Capital_snack69
@Capital_snack69 3 күн бұрын
Wait mica's a child?
@meneither3834
@meneither3834 2 жыл бұрын
Not gonna lie, I see Hearthian tech the same way I see Ork tech.
@magnusmedivh6555
@magnusmedivh6555 2 жыл бұрын
Right on time for a new video!
@snekcube107
@snekcube107 2 жыл бұрын
hi I like cheese
@CaptainWobbs
@CaptainWobbs 2 жыл бұрын
There are still a lot of questions unanswered about this game. Why didn’t the Nomai in our system ever try to signal the other Nomai in the decades that they lived? How do Anglerfish rely on sound if they live in space where sound doesn’t work? Why do the Strangers’ magic green fires get extinguished by water, but Gabbro’s boring normal fire somehow doesn’t?
@TheLoreExplorer
@TheLoreExplorer 2 жыл бұрын
In order. 1.) the nomai escape pods did send out signals. Emergency signals designed to alert any nearby clan. No one seemed to be in range at the time to hear them. As for why they didn’t build bigger and better one…I suppose they were so focused with surviving, and then their mission they came there for. I think in the alpha they has big towers but they left them out because it’s not to relevant to the story. It’s just distract us. 2.)The angler fish don’t live in the vacuum of space. They live in a zero g environment with fog. Any participles in the air can carry sound waves. Recently we have even learned large enough events in the vacuum of space so create “sound”. It just has to be large enough to travel through and warp space time. 3.) if anything should put out gabbros fire it’s the rain. The fire sits at one of the highest points on the island. When the island gets flung up the fire never gets submerged. And the islands trees provide the oxygen to continue burning in space. In other, shorter words. It simply never get submerged by water.
@OddStance
@OddStance 2 жыл бұрын
Just curious to know who you think is more technologically advanced. The owlks or the nomai?? Maybe a future video on the subject?
@TheLoreExplorer
@TheLoreExplorer 2 жыл бұрын
That may be a good video. Personally I think the nomai are more advanced. I feel like if they would be able to do anything the owlks can. But it’s hard to say how advanced the owlks are because we don’t see too much of their lives.
@OddStance
@OddStance 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheLoreExplorer I thought the same thing. I was in a debate with my gf so we deferred to the judgement of our favorite outer wilds extraordinaire! Btw I wish I was able to somehow send you a pic of our outer wilds inspired Halloween pumpkin!!!
@TheLoreExplorer
@TheLoreExplorer 2 жыл бұрын
You can absolutely email me the photo. My email is on my about me page. But just to make it easier loreexplorer1@gmail.com
@HalNordmann
@HalNordmann 2 жыл бұрын
The thing is, the visual storytelling is great at knowing WHAT happened, but not WHY it happened. So we may never know.
@purebloodedgriffin
@purebloodedgriffin 2 жыл бұрын
0:44 Can anyone tell me what that body is, I might be an idiot
@teratomate8737
@teratomate8737 2 жыл бұрын
Looks like the frozen Nomai Shuttle in the Interloper
@AWhinyKid
@AWhinyKid 2 жыл бұрын
I've got this persistent question. Why didn't the prisoner blow out their light? What were they waiting for all those hundreds of thousands of years? It's implied that they extinguishes it after they meet the hatchling. Did they hope that someone would rescue them?
@AWhinyKid
@AWhinyKid 2 жыл бұрын
Related: did the other owlks ever visit the prisoner? It seems like they were pretty pissed off, but, god, that's a long time. Did they (the prisoner) not have friends or family who appealed their sentence?
@TheLoreExplorer
@TheLoreExplorer 2 жыл бұрын
I dont think they expected rescue. I think they somehow hoped theyd see a sign that their actions payed off somehow. And they seem completely isolated to me. Its hard to say but I dont think they had anyone on their side.
@mustardsauce5201
@mustardsauce5201 2 жыл бұрын
owlk is a good name for them. i dont remember where i found that name. but owlks should be the accepted name
@medblikegrave
@medblikegrave 2 жыл бұрын
i lovr your videos!! do you think the owlks sealing away the eye of the universe was what caused the universe to end?
@TheLoreExplorer
@TheLoreExplorer 2 жыл бұрын
No. I think the universe was just at the end of its life tbh.
@kadenthorson5706
@kadenthorson5706 2 жыл бұрын
It wouldve been if the prisoner didnt disable the signal jammer
@medblikegrave
@medblikegrave 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheLoreExplorer i see, yet sealing away the eye stopped the pulses being sent out, and the universe began ending around that point and there is absolutely no mention in the slideshows of the universe ending, despite the fact the owlks kept a close eye on the stars
@JoeThomas-lu6fy
@JoeThomas-lu6fy 2 жыл бұрын
@@medblikegrave They did -- 250,000 years ago. Chert didn't notice it until the day the sun exploded. It only became visible much more recently.
@TheLoreExplorer
@TheLoreExplorer 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah. The owlks were dead long before the stars started going supernova.
@pgamez4077
@pgamez4077 2 жыл бұрын
Like train
@GrandNoble
@GrandNoble 2 жыл бұрын
i do'nt understand how the Owlks could have 'closed off' the Eye. especially with such a small probe thing. the eye we visit at the end seems almost impossibly huge. And also, Does that mean the Eye is/was PHYSICALLY in the Hearthian solar system? I thought it was very far away. the 6th location.
@TheLoreExplorer
@TheLoreExplorer 2 жыл бұрын
So is the stranger. Signals are light and they’ve mastered light. And yes. The eye is in our solar system.
@GrandNoble
@GrandNoble 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheLoreExplorer If the eye is currently in our solar system where is it? And why isn't it affected by the supernova exploding? I assumed the eye was somewhere else completely, like really far away. i'm sure everyone did before the DLC. but now that it's "here" i don't get it!
@TheLoreExplorer
@TheLoreExplorer 2 жыл бұрын
In its the farthest possible orbit around our sun. You can see our sun from the vessel. Solanum tells us this. Thats why the qm is in our system.
@SamuelSandeen
@SamuelSandeen 2 жыл бұрын
So... a bit off topic, but I was poking around in Mining Site 2b and I think maybe the Nomai were using their gravity tech to do the mining. There's no other visible mining equipment anywhere in the cave system and the holes in the walls are exactly the same size as gravity stream. What do you think? Also... how do you think the Nomai got ore from Timber Hearth to the Ash Twin?
@TheLoreExplorer
@TheLoreExplorer 2 жыл бұрын
I actually had this same thought. There is even evidence that the gravity well there has full ability to move vertically and to rotate. My only counter argument is it seems they were able to mine and use material from anywhere. So they could have done it with their staffs or something. But, yes. I agree that gravity mining it a huge probability.
@SamuelSandeen
@SamuelSandeen 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheLoreExplorer I'm really pretty baffled as to how they got it to Ash Twin. I don't think a shuttle could hold enough to be useful, maybe they used warp towers but even then it feels like they'd need some sort of setup to transport the ore to the warp platform... though perhaps they just disassembled it when they didn't need it anymore.
@TheLoreExplorer
@TheLoreExplorer 2 жыл бұрын
The Nomai were able to use their staff to make things float and whatnot. The bases holding the material they used to move it could have been gravity based as well. And remember they mined it on timber. Used the forge on Hollows lantern. Then somehow brought it to ash twin when it was empty of sand. So we probably just arent meant to think about it that much and just go along with it.
@GilbertoGiuliani
@GilbertoGiuliani 2 жыл бұрын
This is a good reflection
@TheLoreExplorer
@TheLoreExplorer 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much Gilberto.
@Lumberjack_king
@Lumberjack_king 2 жыл бұрын
The heartheins.... are impressive they are literall underdogs they have less resources than us they use wood on there spaces ships they've gone to every planet in there solar system and we've haven't even gone to mars
@TheLoreExplorer
@TheLoreExplorer 2 жыл бұрын
Well, to be fair to us. Mars isnt 5kms away lol. But very much agreed.
@Lumberjack_king
@Lumberjack_king 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheLoreExplorer yeah
@mumblingkitty9332
@mumblingkitty9332 2 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure if the owlks enjoyed space travel, because even in their ship they tried to recreate their homeworld
@TheLoreExplorer
@TheLoreExplorer 2 жыл бұрын
They did that after they travelled through space though. They didnt even do that until they parked their ship.
@mumblingkitty9332
@mumblingkitty9332 2 жыл бұрын
That makes more sense, I just misunderstood the story
@TheLoreExplorer
@TheLoreExplorer 2 жыл бұрын
Im sure many have. With video and no text its very hard to work out a timeline and whatnot. Especially when you can find and watch them in almost any order. So I try to help clear things up!
@cola98765
@cola98765 2 жыл бұрын
Nomai sole goal after they heard the signal was to learn the nature of the Eye, why it's so old, and ultimately what would happen if one entered it. Owlk (Strangers) had similar goal, and they did learn the purpose of the Eye, however they did not account for the time to work different there. During ending you can see all stars slowly going out, and as Riebeck said there, time might not even exist there. I believe that from outside perspective whoever enters that funnel on the Eye simply disappears, like probe that we can send there, as form their perspective before they can do anything, universe reached heat death. Knowing all of this, I believe that Hearthians would ultimately learn much about the Eye, and then send someone that would never return.
@TheLoreExplorer
@TheLoreExplorer 2 жыл бұрын
I think youre right. But Im not so confident about their reasons to reach the eye. Its feasible they learned the age or something significant through their telescope. But we simply dont see what it is. So its hard to know their reasons or goal when reaching it. I have to imagine they had some preconceived notions to justify using all of your moons resources to make a space ship.
@cola98765
@cola98765 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheLoreExplorer That is correct, spending all -planets- moons resources to get there is more than just curiosity
@TheLoreExplorer
@TheLoreExplorer 2 жыл бұрын
@@cola98765 What would you venture to say their reasoning or goals were?
@cola98765
@cola98765 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheLoreExplorer Something more religious perhaps. Even tho Nomai also had some worship towards the Eye, the things they did to get there, and then burning everything related after they concluded it's gonna destroy the known universe, makes me think it was more like this. Also compared to Humans, we do have those metal rich asteroids that would be worth fortune if we would get there, so it's not greed either... there is nothing that would be even around Proxima Centauri that would make humans build a generation ship with all Earths resources if Earth itself is not in danger.
@TheLoreExplorer
@TheLoreExplorer 2 жыл бұрын
@@cola98765 I agree. My guess would be they prophesized something like it and so their actions seem "reasonable". If they had planned to never return and move onto this "new phase" or whatever I can see them doing what they did. but just about nothing else
@kvarok1548
@kvarok1548 2 жыл бұрын
I think it makes sense for the Elks to lock themselves in instead of settling Timber Hearth. They saw that the eye had the potential to kill everything, and wanted to prevent that at all costs. Being in the physical world would risk that someone would seek out the eye regardless, and the Prisoner only served to prove that. Presumably, when the Prisoner disabled the eye signal inhibitor, the Elks were all still alive, and thus hadn’t committed to only living in the simulation yet. Perhaps in that time, they weren’t too opposed to exploring the Outer Wilds. Personally I don’t think this is very likely as we don’t see any signs of them on any of the other planets, nor do the Nomai mention having found any signs of them. I believe they became very xenophobic when they analyzed the Eye, based on what the prisoner says in the ending, and the fact that their reaction to seeing another intelligent alien species in their simulation is to try and get rid of it, and not being curious.
@TheLoreExplorer
@TheLoreExplorer 2 жыл бұрын
This sounds backwards to me. In the movies doesn’t the guy seal it off and then sit sentry over it for the next millions years? What they did was just flat out dumb. Cause turns out their signal blocker doesn’t prevent anything. We still make it there. People still search it out. I suppose it’s pretty special circumstances that we do. But point stands if they really wanted to prevent anything they’d form a sentry and keep watch.
@kvarok1548
@kvarok1548 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheLoreExplorer Well, that would make sense if they knew there were alien life out there, but so far as I have seen, it would seem they weren’t aware of any. I think they believed the greatest risk of activating the Eye came from their ones species, in which case it would make more sense to lock everyone away. This is supported by the fact that they burned almost all the knowledge they had about the Eye so no one from their own civilization could find it again. The Eye signal inhibitor may just have been an additional measure to hide it from their own people, or as a “just in case” for aliens. If they were to guard it, there would be a chance that someone would betray them and enter the eye. Maybe the prisoner would do this if he had the opportunity, but because they chose to hide it, he only managed to deactivate the Eye signal inhibitor before he was caught. I’m not saying they took the best course of action, only that I understand their decisions given their circumstances.
@TheLoreExplorer
@TheLoreExplorer 2 жыл бұрын
Then why go out of the way to hide all that stuff? They definitely were worried someone would find the reels and learn what the eye is. They hid themselves away in the basement of the temples. They made their ship invisible. There is no reason for any of this if they thought they were alone.
@kvarok1548
@kvarok1548 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheLoreExplorer I never said they thought they were alone. They might have known alien life was a possibility, but the more immediate threat of someone reaching the eye came from their own civilization
@TheLoreExplorer
@TheLoreExplorer 2 жыл бұрын
But its as simple as just destroying the controls(which they already did). There was no need for all this extra stuff
@ThePalePrince
@ThePalePrince 2 жыл бұрын
Only point of contention. The signal of the eye lit a green fire. This is the same fire they use for their vision, staffs and their simulation. I think it was more than blind faith. I think it was a celestial body older than the universe itself, and many other universes, giving them some vision. And let's remember that our characters consciousness affects the next universe. The eye has some element of consciousness to it
@TheLoreExplorer
@TheLoreExplorer 2 жыл бұрын
It was a telescope with the owlk staff technology built into it. It always lights a fire to pass on information. A telescope is inherently built to study non conscious celestial objects. So it doesnt seem to me that this proves anything. When they first discover the signal we are shown the owlk receives a vision. But all we are shown is the eyes symbol in the vision. And it makes little sense to me for the owlks to receive a vision of what the eye actually is. Go there. And then be surprised at what it does.
@ThePalePrince
@ThePalePrince 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheLoreExplorer just replayed the slide reel. > It's a telescope yes but it does give a vision > It's not just light as that's a magnifying glass, it's a frequency that gave a vision > The fire only lights for giving a consciousness based vision or for the consciousness to ignite the flame and be in the simulation > If it was just a telescope it'd be receiving that fire for literally every object it saw in space, it was the signal itself that lit the fire Edit: also thanks for responding, glad to have a lore discussion
@TheLoreExplorer
@TheLoreExplorer 2 жыл бұрын
We simply dont know the fourth one to be true. Why make a telescope that can only see conscious objects? Its not made to look through a mirrored and magnified tube to see light anyway. We can see that. Its made to magnify light, create a fire, then pass on information that way. Thats just how its designed. And yes. They received a signal. Which was sent out in all directions so it hit the telescope. Im not sure how that changes anything. Signals are frequencies. And thats what telescopes do. Magnify and record them. And judging by their staff and vision capability I dont think we can just write the vision off as something deliberately sent through that signal. So how youd be able to determine consciousness through such a thing seems dubious to me. We just dont know if consciousness is needed for visions, and the existence of telescopes at all suggest it isnt to me. Trust me. When I first played the game I really wanted the eye to be conscious. You can hear it in my theories. I still do really. It feels romantic and poetic to me. But after examination I cant find anything to really prove such a thing. In reality, it seems the eye is an object. Or even just bent spacetime itself. And we entangle with it. And so we become one, allowing the eye access to our consciousness at the end. But the cool thing is the game is basically like real life. Its open enough that your theory is just as good as mine. We just dont know.
@ThePalePrince
@ThePalePrince 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheLoreExplorer The reasoning is because the *only* time we see fire is in regards to visions/consciousness. Fire in the artifact. Fire in the staffs. We have *no* moment where fire is shown with anything but consciousness. You're the one pulling evidence from no where that the telescope simply records info. It would *always be lit* if it were simply showing data: stars, astroids, dark matter, planets, etc. You nor I have reason to know what frequency they were looking for radiowaves, etc they only got data from The Eye. The only data we have is other patterns with the fire which have all been consciousness
@TheLoreExplorer
@TheLoreExplorer 2 жыл бұрын
No. I was just saying thats what telescopes do irl. They look through all manner of frequncies and we use that as our eyes. But youre right that the fire was not active to begin with. But the owlk wasnt looking through the telescope to begin with. Im just saying we dont know how they work. Yes, the only time WE see the green fire is in relation to consciousness. But we arent the creator of the staff and we see and use it for a total of 5 minutes. Sadly we dont know all its functions or how it works. So I dont think its the best thing to base such meaningful conclusions on. I will say, if you look at it technically we agree. You think the eye has some element of consciousness to it. Im just putting forth the notions that the element is us and the fact we entangled with it. The rest can be written off and so cant be solid proof. Youre free to see it differently. And this by no means is saying its not true. Like I said I want the eye to be conscious. Just we cant seem to really prove it in my eyes.
@alexolas1246
@alexolas1246 2 жыл бұрын
a question unrelated to this one’s topic: how do you typically imagine the voices of the outer wilds NPCs? like, who do (the specific travelers, the timber hearth villagers in general, and our two new friends at the end of the game) sound like, in your imagination?
@TheLoreExplorer
@TheLoreExplorer 2 жыл бұрын
I actually have a series in which I voice act for a lot of them. Feldspar is the old smart guy with a shaky voice. Reibeck sounds like one of those gentle giants. With feldspar I just copied my favorite astronaut. So they sound like a confident knowledgeable astronaut from the 60s. But I never really thought about our new friends. I always imagined their vocal chords only making animal sounds. Like goat or owlk/elk sounds.
@alexolas1246
@alexolas1246 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheLoreExplorer for me it's like most Hearthians = have a distinctly southern US accent, except for Hornfels, who for some reason has a very distinct upper-class British "posh" accent Chert = sounds almost identical to Spongebob Squarepants from Spongebob Squarepants Esker = sounds like a generic, raspy old man Riebeck = i have two separate ideas for what he sounds like: either sounds like Patrick Star, or some kind of 18/19th-century British explorer. "Come along, Watson! Tally-ho!" Gabbro = sounds like a stereotypical stoner kid, voice is very slow/drawn-out Feldspar = Tom Sheldon in Just Cause 2 (the guy in the Hawaiian shirt in the first half of this video) kzbin.info/www/bejne/pmmTZY2ue6uIgdU Solanum = I imagine her only speaking in the Eye of the Universe, and she sounds... sort of like a higher-pitched G-man, with long pauses between words, very irregular intonation, and she often places glottal fricatives in front of words "ɦthis˥... hsong˧. ɦis˨. ɦNew˦... to˩ ɦme˩..... but˥.. ɦi˧ ɦam˨. glad˦... to˩. ɦbe˧ ɦa˨.. Part˦... ɦof˩. ɦit˩" The Prisoner = intonation is very similar to Solanum, but his voice is much deeper/croakier/gravelly, perhaps like some kind of horror movie monster, and with an extra dorsal aspect to many sounds. "(ɣYEʈ). (ʕI ʕAM ʂʈIɭɭ). (ʕOF ʕMY qIɳɖ).... (ʕAɳɖ). (ɣYOU KɳOW ɳOW). (ɣWHAʈ ɣEY ɖIɖ)"
@fifty5074
@fifty5074 2 жыл бұрын
Wait couldn't the prisoner just blow out his artifact?
@TheLoreExplorer
@TheLoreExplorer 2 жыл бұрын
I think technically they could. But they didn’t want to without knowing the outcome of their actions. It seems to have meant a lot to them.
@Drakenwild
@Drakenwild 2 жыл бұрын
You pretty much summed up reasons why I disliked the DLC. It's a large location, two of them in fact, and yet after playing it I don't feel like I know these owls at all. Their decisions are baffling to me as well - not just tearing up entire planet in order to take all of their species with them, also giving up immediately at first sign of something being wrong, and then burning all of their history bar a few specific slides on few specific slide reels, seemingly specifically so that an outsider can find them in their VR. Whole set up for us entering their space is contrived imo. I'd be quicker to believe that someone hid some of the slide reels or that some of them got lost and resurfaced over time than this. They are also depicted as very uniform, with only one diverting being the Prisoner, to such an extent it's weird. With Nomai you had all sorts of people, some doubtful, some scared, some determined. Here it's so black and white. I don't get why they would lock him in VR either. Couldn't they just put him in normal prison? Unless that was because all of their species went to VR, so they just decided they need to single him out like that. But then, why are all entrances to VR hidden? From whom? Maybe they would make more sense if we knew more but we don't. For al the explorable space we got, we learned astonishingly little... about anything, really.
@TheLoreExplorer
@TheLoreExplorer 2 жыл бұрын
I agree with the majority of this. Their actions were baffling. I will say the slide reels weren’t left for us to decipher. But rather they destroyed all parts of slides focusing on the eye or their decision to destroy everything. Sort of like how they burned down the eye church. As for why they’d lock them in vr. Well, who knows. Maybe they wanted a harsher punishment. I can make the argument that what happened is worse than if they just locked them up. But it is amazing how surprisingly little we learn from how much is presented to us. As for why they hid. I’m not sure. An argument can be made for safeties sake. But then why hide the reels that give us access? Why not destroy them? As for how uniform they are. Once you can see someone’s mind for what it truly is the best argument would probably win out. Their staffs allow them to share thoughts so it sort of makes sense to me. Which makes it even more remarkable the prisoner was able to dissent.
@Drakenwild
@Drakenwild 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheLoreExplorer the thing with reels is that they burned all of them with exception of just a few slides and I recall one owl very specifically stopping the other from burning those completely together with the rest. That's what is so confusing to me. You'd think these weren't the only slides in their entire library that weren't showing what they did to their planet. It makes no sense to me, why just these and only these. Even your argument doesn't exactly hold - slides that were spared included ones directly relating to the Eye, their journey to it and them discovering it's going to destroy the universe as they know it. I also don't exactly agree with your take on mind reading thing. What it would do, it would erase miscommunication error. Unless they were literally a hive mind like geth, there is still individuality and difference of opinion based on individual experience and knowledge. Even if you find something compelling and communicate it to the other person in the way that makes misunderstanding impossible, that other person might still think you're wrong because of something that you in turn don't agree with and think is stupid. That's assuming you can convey complex thoughts through that device, which I'm not convinced you can. This device is the reason they used slide reels more than writing and, well, humans moved away from picture language to written language for a reason. You can even see it in how you or I experienced exploring the Stranger. Because it's pictures, not writing, we cannot be sure of a lot of things that are being communicated to us and we are left to guess. Only things we can be sure about are those directly portrayed, not thoughts, explanations or reasons behind those events. If device works like that for owls as well, if it strips all the thoughts and feelings and only shows them visuals of events, then this device does not erase miscommunication, it breeds it instead.
@TheLoreExplorer
@TheLoreExplorer 2 жыл бұрын
They do leave in a few things about the eye. But these moments aren’t the bad moments related to the eye or what they did. I don’t remember anyone stopping the burning of individual slides. I’ll have to rewatch them when I have time. As for the telepathy. The owlks seem to put all their thought and emotion(their individual experiences) into the light which passes that on to the next. We even seemingly get to feel things in the simulation. And if you look the light they use to communicate it has the same look as the simulation. You get to experience it for yourself. At least the impactful and important parts. IMO this minimizes the personality differences for the most part as everyone has experienced the same things through this telepathy. Maybe the prisoner didn’t feel comfortable sharing their experience in which they lost their horn. And so they do have a different set of experience to draw from. But that’s just how I see things.
@Drakenwild
@Drakenwild 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheLoreExplorer yeah, telepathy stuff is really up to interpretation, so to each their own. As for the cutscene, I might be wrong, it's been a moment, but I think what happened in it was that one owl was readying itself to burn a pile of reels, another came up, was like "no, stop", took out one of the reels and started burning out hand picked parts of it, after which the other burned remaining pile. That's what I meant in previous comment, that this one owl stopped the first from burning this specific reel shown completely and instead burned only a part of it.
@TheLoreExplorer
@TheLoreExplorer 2 жыл бұрын
Oh. Yeah. I took that to mean “they wanted to keep their story as a species whole”. Sure. They are digitizing everything. But if they destroyed those slides their story would forever be lost to the universe at large. So they destroyed painful parts. But left the vague story in tact. I can’t imagine why they’d hide the glitches though. I’m excited to analyze it.
@OfficialLoupak
@OfficialLoupak 2 жыл бұрын
nice video :) thanks
@kreeaccola9407
@kreeaccola9407 2 жыл бұрын
The eye of the universe is an actual eye and the owelk telescope projected its thoughts much like the staff. It just clicked
@ink6202
@ink6202 2 жыл бұрын
I love every video you make
@Lissablissa
@Lissablissa 2 жыл бұрын
Hey lore explorer! Have you played Subnautica? I think you would love it!!
@TheLoreExplorer
@TheLoreExplorer 2 жыл бұрын
I have. I actually have a lore series on it!
@loganhooliean369
@loganhooliean369 2 жыл бұрын
Yay I’m first
@snekcube107
@snekcube107 2 жыл бұрын
no you're Logan Hooliean
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