The Disappointment of Dragon Age | Summon Sign, Episode 44

[@MZ_Flea]

Brad saying “fool of a took” and absolutely no one reacted lol

[@creese16]

In this household we support MrMattyPlays!! Even if I hope I end up disagreeing with your Dragon Age review 😂

[@nickstark8479]

Based on the reviews, I have no doubt it's a competent game... But it doesn't seem like it's the type of game DA fans wanted/expected it to be.

[@creese16]

@ after four hours of playing, I like it but don’t love it. I hear it gets better, but it feels kinda sanitized and watered down. I miss the more grimdark of Dragon Age: Origins. Like I’ve barely seen any blood except in one scene in the beginning. I certainly don’t hate it. Combat is pretty fun so far though. But since it’s been 10 years since Inquisition, which I really liked at the time, I just do not give a shit about the story right now. That could change though!

[@Pickoffarwim]

@@nickstark8479DA is the most inconsistent series of all time so this means nothing lol

[@MakeGamingGreatAgainMGGA]

The game was made by a mentally ill man in a dress lmao... good luck

[@Mmachine88]

Agreed - to be fair though, same thing happened with DA Inquisition. Even got game of the year lmao. I'm weird though becuase I did not like dragon age 1, thought the second one was okay, but thoroughly enjoyed Inquisition. I just feel like, gone are the days where big Triple A games within a series run the risk of launching to severly divisive reception. Not every game, but a lot. With some being fully warranted of course.

[@Bolichnikov_]

Cheers to Matty! ❤

[@Not_Liquid]

You’re a good dude, Matty! We’re with you.💪

[@MistahKurtz1979]

I think one reason people associated the Lord of the Rings movies with Christmas is that they all originally released in December so many people probably saw them around the holidays. Also it’s the best time of the year to marathon long movies if you’re not at work for a while.

[@Farowlol]

matty repping the ben affleck suit what a legend

[@Farowlol]

holy shit i didn't even see the wizard

[@Garoth4582]

The best onscreen batman we ever had!

[@MiniatureMorpheus]

@@Garoth4582 the people who hate BvS imho are people who never read TDKR or Death of Superman, and are simply obsessed with Christian Bale.

[@Garoth4582]

@MiniatureMorpheus great movies but Bale was just an average batman.

[@MiniatureMorpheus]

@@Garoth4582 I agree. I'm a Frank Miller/Batfleck fan. I also love Pattinson as a "Year One". I love how they threw in some New 52 into Pattinson plot.

[@Saogin]

13:46 Brads easy allies muscle memory kicking in lol

[@WilsonTxmp]

Lol I noticed that too.

[@mpnothanks]

Muscle memory for things you say is wild. It’s been almost a decade since my fast food job and “order up” is still always on the tip of my tongue.

[@adamdavid1076]

Matty...sorry you had to go through this. You DIDN'T DESERVE IT. You're a good dude and we appreciate you.

[@isturbo1984]

gone through what? lol. he accidentally broke his nda. he'll get over it.

[@nickstark8479]

​@isturbo1984 If you mean "accidently" hired the wrong person? I guess. Still seems like the hateful comments were uncalled for. At the very least did not fit the "crime".

[@isturbo1984]

@@nickstark8479 i repeat. gone through what? im not crying over some influencer potentially losing his access after all the work he has done projecting pc opinions. as for any "hate" what do you mean? the boy has twisted the word so much, i dont even know what anyone is talking about when they say that. what hate exactly?

[@nickstark8479]

@@isturbo1984 From where Im looking Matty didnt do anything wrong. His editor shared some clips after he sent it out for production. Could have happened to literally any content maker - and does happen since the entire gaming industry is full of weekly leaks, just usually the sources are not so obvious. Seems a little over blown for people online jumping on the hate train begging for EA (seriously of all companies) to take financial action and ruin his career. Again Mattys only crime imo is hiring the wrong person for the job. Seems we'll have one less leaker once all this is said and done. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@isturbo1984]

@@nickstark8479 like i said, its not a big deal to me at all if he broke nda to some garbage megacorp. i'd do a lot worse if i can. sounds like his editor did the exact same thing matty did. which was share out images he wasnt supposed to. i dont think his editor signed an nda though. but once again. for third time. what hate is matty getting? from who? do you mean from people like me who acknowledge matty broke his nda as a fact? or from the alphabet mob who linked his leaks with the game's criticism?

[@Cccccc-y9r3v]

I was not expecting Brads costume 😂😂😂

[@Michael-rt5so]

I just opened the video and was like "no shot he commits to the bit for the full episode" so I clicked around and he does😂 What a legend

[@alleystargrowley2784]

I bet if AW 2 was sold on steam, they would have sold a lot more.

[@netwatch7261]

You're not lying. Same case for prince of persia the lost crown. It's shame the team has been disbanded. Ubisoft sucks ass x_x

[@michaeloffgrid]

I don’t know how anyone who has played BioWare games over the last 13 years could possibly be disappointed by this game. What made you expect it to be good?

[@CC-of5xl]

I honestly believe anyone who liked or loved Inquisition not liking this game is letting outside influences cloud their opinion. Every issue I've seen people have Inquisition also had.

[@Atrots23]

Nothing. But the game still a banger at the end of the day.

[@nine9_abyss]

​@@CC-of5xlTrue. Like matty said the combat didn't evolve, but Inquisition was the same bro so wtf. He even says to compare it to Inquisition and not origins?? Dialogue complaints are the same, if you play Inquisition now it's very much the same tone. Companions are shit there too, sera anyone? That's like bellara lol.

[@Ultra_Giant]

Head up Matty, screw the faux outrage mob!

[@BDreGaming]

Yeah speaking on the rdr2 and lack of a 60 FPS patch on ps5. There are so many games in this category. Dishonored 2, Shadows of mordor, Arkham Knight, just too many.

[@crabbypatty10fefrefe]

What happened to Dragon Age is BioWare hired a bunch of “writers” based on their ideologies instead of hiring them based on their talent and abilities. And here we are.

[@CC-of5xl]

I honestly hate the woke movement in games but this is a bad take. Alot of the writers have worked there a long time. The issue is the top writers left and others were laid off part way through production. Stop spreading lies and maybe fact check a bit lol. For the side that's supposed to be about fact and logic the anti woke crowd sure is being a bunch of lying idiots about this game.

[@THENAMEISQUICKMAN]

You are not wanted here in actual good faith discussion or criticism spaces - there's surely other channels all about how Da Woke is responsible for all your problems where you can do this.

[@CC-of5xl]

@THENAMEISQUICKMAN agreed, I think there's a discussion that can be had about good progressive writing and practices vs bad but just blaming everything on it with no proof is ridiculous.

[@PenultimatePenPen]

Really enjoy seeing Jimmy around on these episodes

[@matheus.bueno47]

The writing of the game is awful. I just started playing it, and in the beginning you have some dialogue with Varric that goes like this: "We have to find a lever to open the door, Rook" - Finds the lever "Great work Rook, you found the lever, now pull it!" - Pulls it "Nice, now let's go through that door" - Goes through that door "Great we passed the door, now let's see what happenes next...." Man, I was going CRAZY.

[@THENAMEISQUICKMAN]

That sounds straight up AI generated

[@user-os7ec4dm8x]

Did you buy it? If so, you're part of the problem, you could see how bad it was from previews, they don't care and won't change if people buy it and complain afterwards, they got your money.

[@Hoffmanniac]

That sounds like the tutorial

[@CC-of5xl]

​@user-os7ec4dm8x don't be a sheep the hate this game is getting is mostly from people in a position of bad faith. There isn't a single thing Inquisition did better. Origins and 2 are leagues above both but Inquisition gets almost no hate for being easily the worst of the 4 games

[@netwatch7261]

​@user-os7ec4dm8x I got it through a Nvidia purchase. I would have rather gotten a discount on my original purchase. This game blows. Some of the game play is okay, but the dialog is brainrot.

[@victororozco6903]

Matty, we love you daddy!

[@SzatanistaDzezowy]

I would have liked that without "Daddy"... -_-

[@YouTubeChannel-iq5to]

I dislike what I’m hearing online!

[@vgJunkyard]

PAUSE

[@JoftheWest]

Love and respect to Matty. Pay no mind to the bull$#!t. Refunded my preorder based on you Skill Up's reviews.

[@kadabur]

Head up Matty, we are with you!

[@RicoSeattle]

1:02:06 That was a great moment to freeze Matty's camera.

[@Phreedom15000]

"And a breeze rolled in...and I..."

[@Synchro789]

Amazing timestamp 😂

[@liammarshall5047]

I hope Matty knows just how many people have his back. We all know he's a decent guy.

[@Synchro789]

I’m here for the Matt-fleck energy 💪 You’re the gaming journalist we need, but don’t deserve right now!

[@jonesygrets6029]

The game should have been called “Drag”on age

[@OilersHD97]

Matty is the GOAT

[@papaflow3116]

Haven't even watched the episode yet but Cheers Matty

[@admiralalyssa]

Such a shame to see most of the comments are talking about Twitter drama over the podcast discussion. I had no clue what the hell anyone was talking about until checking Matty's page.

[@deathproof8732]

Halloween is every day in my house. Not a joke. Horror stuff everywhere

[@BDreGaming]

Blows my mind that anyone hasn't even heard of the crow. Bonafide masterpiece. Alex proyas is one of my favorite directors

[@AnEyeRacky]

Jimmy looks like he's live from my basement. Looks smokey in there bro lol Also, the channel Real Ones, is apparently John Bernthals KZbin channel...I learned something new today, thanks Seniór Champagne

[@KS-sg9rm]

Resetera theythems are crazy

[@Jon-eo1lz]

To add to Jimmy’s sort it out: you can no longer use your points to get wallet funds. You can now only use them towards games or nonsense Genshin Impact bucks etc.

[@AnthonyMartinez-rz9sl]

FOOL OF A TOOK!!!!

[@TheHOOfan1]

I started watching the Hobbit Trilogy (yeah I like them) and LoTR Extended cuts around Christmas as a tradition 2 years ago. I take 3 weeks off around Christmas, so it gives me plenty of time to watch them. I actually thought I was kind of weird for making that a tradition, but I guess not.

[@mc_squared]

Here for the boys

[@MattmanTheBatman]

Hey guys, I HIGHlY recommend watching the Dragon Age Origins Violence trailer from 15 years ago (the one featuring Marilyn Manson) and then watching a Dragon Age Veilguard trailer. It's quite a roller coaster of emotions im still unsure about yet, ha. This is a great way to contrast the tone between the two also. As well as strange reactions. Anyway, wonderful show as always. Thanks for the content. Also dont let the negativity get ya down Matty, youre DA: V review has been helpful for so many, keep it up.

[@jjkazempour]

Brad, Gen 3 Pokémon is peak! All the designs are great! And the music is unsurpassed.

[@seancdavis13]

As someone who was a huge fan of the first two DA games, you could see this coming from a mile away. It sucks, but the Bioware we loved is gone, and replaced with a pale imitation of itself. Dont, choose your own adventure.

[@RossStoddart]

Also, big love to Matty. Not sure if the NDA thing is discussed here but I loved your very transparent post on twitter. We’re with you dude.

[@cam86191]

Dragon Age is trash just like everyone knew would be. BioWare knew it would be. Consumer manipulation at its finest.

[@LoomDoom]

Matty, hang in there. It was not your fault, but you still owned the situation despite that. You’re a good dude!!!

[@RossStoddart]

I started listening to the audio version and when I heard the costume talk I had to switch to the video 🤣

[@joshtarpley3183]

Same, I had to see this!

[@kesai1999]

I feel so seen for the mention of the Bioshock infinite boy of silence jumpscare. Literally dropped my controller and it slid all the way across the room, core memory 😂😂😂

[@Spr1ggan87]

They must have really nerfed Rogue Trader since i played it at launch then, cos it was way tougher than BG3. And For Matty, nah you don't get how buggy Rogue Trader was, it made Bethesda releases look extremely polished.

[@thisisnotreallife20]

I like Matty, and he hasn't lost me as a fan or anything. But he definitely made things worse with that long ass overly dramatic post. That was def not a good look. It was not that serious. Even if u lost all of your access media privileges, ppl will still watch your content. I actually prefer content creators who don't accept or receive access or free codes.

[@mattj2692]

I also started replaying Alan Wake 2 since I hadn't done the final cut yet. I thought it was really cool how they implement the DLCs into the main game, at least the night spring episodes not sure if they do it with the Lakehouse yet.

[@liaminwales]

With the move of a lot of devs from PC first to console in the early 2000's, we saw studios like Bioware & Bethesda move to more simple systems. The chat wheel with all options having the same outcome is one of the most iconic examples, the most striking ones when the text in the wheel has no relation to what or how you character will react or funnel you in to a single outcome. I always link the two as Obsidian showed what we had lost with KOTOR2 & Fallout NV, they made the games I wanted that Bioware/Bethesda had lost the ability to make. Now I think ME1 had boring random planet problem like Starfield, in ME2 they removed the driving and added a mining mini game that did not relay solve the problem. The ME2 mining game just left me missing the driving around, Starfield did not have driving but still had the boring planet problem. I missed the driving in MA2 & Starfield added it in Shattered Space but did not solve the problem of content, you also see the problem in 4X space games where each planet is not relay interesting.

[@mecrablover]

I love the documents in Control/Lake house DLC. Fun way to tell the story imo. But to each their own.

[@georgie9303]

Felt bad how Twitter treated Matty, even if I don’t agree with everything he says in his other videos

[@such_disdain]

Keep your head up Matty!

[@cholo1990]

The user score on metacritic is 3.4/10 😂😂😂😂

[@yousefmoa]

On steam it’s 7.7/10 and it’s from people who actually play it

[@Atrots23]

No shit dumb asses have been hating on this game for no reason since the jump.

[@kadabur]

loving the costumes fellas

[@mrigamer7084]

I think it’s easy to see why this game has terrible writing and direction. Just look at the director and the writing team. Pretty sure at this point if you can’t see a correlation you have your head in the sand.

[@JotaKingtero]

We stand with Matty!

[@nickrubin7312]

Saying that Rogue Trader is a good entry point to cRPGs is kind of wild, since it is classic Owlcat cRPG (I like it, even tho Pathfinder: WoTR is still their best game and much better than Rogue Trader). It is pretty hardcore unapologetic cRPG with all the typical stuff: uber-complex progression system, hard to respec, long af, lots of text to read without voice acting, and so on. It is the type of game I personally play and enjoy, because it is rich worldbuilding epic RPG and complexity of high maths, but to hear that it is good entry point, especially in comparison to BG3, which is actually THE cRPG for general audience.... well, maybe on lower difficulties, Rogue Trader has very good approach to difficulty customization for all sorts of players (and yeah, if you're into min-maxing, there are absolutely broken builds for sure). Plus, unlike BG3 it has pretty conventional turn-based, encounter design and map design, Larian are in their own league in terms of gameplay design, combat included, so playing other turn-based cRPGs and then expecting the same in Larian game is not the same, and vice versa, playing Larian games and then expecting other games have the same approach to turn-based, map design and encounter design, is effectively pointless. But hey, if it works for you as entry point - good for you, honestly, great taste in RPGs. Rogue Trader is absolutely worthy puchase tho, one of the best RPGs last year (2023) and in terms of worldbuilding probably in years, even tho Pathfinder: WoTR made by Owlcat as well released 2021 and probably has the best worldbuilding and grand-power fantasy RPG feel in a decade or so (it isn't effectilve a small/midsize campaign on some coast, and an epic grand adventure, which Owlcat does best ofc, plus Mythic Paths system is a genius design to add variance and RP-possibilities)

[@xchxmpagnepxpix]

Hey its Jimmy Grapes

[@jgamez215]

I was in 4th grade when Pokemon first hit in the U.S so I am very much of the Pokemon generation (and never really fell off because I'm a degenerate lol) and I will say playing Gen 2 as it came out the second half of the game absolutely blew my fucking mind. Definitely one of the most hype video game moments for me.

[@Moeron86]

Due to the deceptive practices of bioware to promote their games, i will never be buying any of there games on day 1. Especially after seeing all the inflated scores by many reviewers that were likely given for access, swag, and attention.

[@isturbo1984]

The only podcast where the three hosts dance around the issues of Veilguard and have surprised pikachu faces when the writing is bad. Garbage people make garbage games.

[@JustAFriendlyBearlol]

I’m in the vast minority but I’m loving Veilguard so far. It’s a gorgeous, gorgeous game

[@Christopher-s1d1j]

Guess they didn’t pay for this review lol. IGN giving a 9/10 is insane. Kinda Funny has been ridiculously high on it as well.

[@THENAMEISQUICKMAN]

People disagreeing with you doesn't mean they were paid to do so.

[@petercao1671]

@@THENAMEISQUICKMAN Very true, but it doesn't mean they were not politically influenced either cause of all the culture war shit.

[@Atrots23]

@@petercao1671normal people don’t pay attention to that bs.

[@marccreation1052]

I was a BioWare Fan from Baldur' s Gate to ME 3. Dragon Age Inquisition won' GOTY but it' was mid at best imo. Not one good new character, yes Solas sucks. The new one...naw, pass.

[@murderface7744]

I did a new play through of Rogue Trader with the latest DLC, outstanding game and the DLC is exceptional. Highly recommend to anyone who likes RPGs. For Dragon Age Veilguard, I'm 20 hours in so far and its decent and I'm enjoying it but the criticisms Matty has I mostly agree with. You can refund individual talent points, dunno if it was changed or he just misremembered. The writing is the biggest miss so far. Most of it is serviceable, however occasionally something cringe or just plain bad pops up and takes you out of the experience.

[@ADukesJustice]

The Twitter mob tried to claim another one of the family. Big ups to you Matty!

[@mattj2692]

Outside of iron Bull I didn't really like any of the new characters in inquisition. Really on the fence as to whether or not I wanna give veilguard a try this weekend...

[@Nergal134]

Not even Blackwall?

[@mattj2692]

@@Nergal134 def not, him, and serah I actively disliked as characters lol

[@jackcall3815]

I like Jimmy. Never seen him before

[@CarterPSN]

Brad turned into the wizard from XP to level 3. 😂

[@C_AH4891]

Matty is harsh on DA:V. Not a perfect game, but it's a lot of fun, imho. Appreciate him sharing his thoughts.

[@heavyartillery-qm5hu]

The game is just so mid gameplay wise and trash writing wise

[@JBrandonMercer123]

Imagine thinking The Crow is an "unsung gem" or underrated in any way. That movie is extremely popular!

[@TYLERdubs]

Has Matty seen the Lord of the Rings movies?

[@jermelpurse3018]

I am not getting that with this game. It’s not the OG from 10 years or more ago, but I’m not playing Valeguard right now and thinking bad story bad gameplay. I’m OK with it. Yes I wish it was OG but I like what I’m getting here. I didn’t mind what I got with inquisition. I thought that was game of the year level material. It wasn’t perfect, but most games aren’t perfect. You can always find something wrong with them. I honestly think this is about an 8.5 so far and I’m only 16 hours in. Probably more like 13 because I did stop while the game was just sitting there.

[@justifiedfun9811]

I'M MattMan

[@11d3adly11]

Dragon age 2 is the worst when it comes to doin the same quest in same boring locations ... also found it annoying in orgins, too, when traveling between towns

[@rafaelochoa9776]

You guys forgot to answer the write ins favorite Halloween costume question lol

[@benjaminschultz2844]

Someone needs to get Brad a hair tie. He keeps pushing it away from his face.

[@Mr.Schneebly69]

Brad on your pokeman tangent There are a couple games worth playing: Red/Blue, Gold/Silver/Crystal, Black/White… maybe ruby/sapphire The rest just aren’t that good. The stories got kiddified to hell. They rounded any and all potential edges to the stories and decided it was going to be a series for 1-10 yr old kids. Fair enough it sells I guess

[@siddharthshishulkar8992]

Noone: Matty: I'm Batman

[@Garoth4582]

The new alien movie was pretty garbage. The monster at the end was the only cool thing.

[@NeedsLess]

No one wants to talk about the rainbow elephant in the room lmao also matty doesn’t understand he’s doing unpaid work for EA in exchange for access

[@BrokeGuysEntertainmentTV]

Need Brad to play Pokemon Colosseum

[@juggernaut8791]

The best Pokémon games are all the 2D era ones. Once they went 3d they got complacent and half assed a lot of things. Gen 5 is the best story and most content compared to any other gen. I fell out of love of the game once they got to switch. 3ds ones were all right but I still go back to white 2 all the time it’s just so damn good. Wish they stuck to the 2d style and continued improving them and making them bigger. Could’ve had a lot better looking 2d style graphics then we got now with Pokémon.

[@acidfruitloops]

Wasn't particularly blown away by the alan wake dlc's, eh

[@hamxguy88]

We don't go to Ravenholm

[@andrewfeistner3384]

Iron Man VR was good, should check it out

[@Fahrenheit38]

I don't know how anyone could think this game was gonna be good. Inquisition was bad and this looked worse in everyway

[@BLonsdale912]

Matty seems to be an outlier. It's sitting at an 84 on metacritic so most reviews were very favorable

[@Fahrenheit38]

@BLonsdale912 I have zero faith in metacritic, DA2 is at a 85 and that game is flat out bad.

[@ladymayaN7]

​@@Fahrenheit38DA2 is the best one.

[@Fahrenheit38]

@ladymayaN7 you are insane

[@EvernhamNo9]

@@BLonsdale912Codes were only given to reviewers who were expected to be positive, and it only hit the low 80s. You’re either a pathetic shill or really dumb.

[@NateSchmidt-wn3bo]

Dragon age veilguard is NOT an rpg and it’s pure woke garbage. I don’t use that term loosely so when I say it that holds some weight. This dragon age game is objectively the worst game to ever come out

[@yousefmoa]

Playing it right now and loving it so much the combat as rogue is so engaging and am loving the characters so far

[@user-dj9iu2et3r]

Justice for Matt!

[@14_IQ.points]

look at these 3 bouncing goofballs

[@parapendejadas4913]

Ahh yes.... DRAG Age FAIL-hard is out and I decided I identify myself as DEI nonBUYnary 😏.....so, no thanks 😎

[@RGVTuber]

Nice costumes

[@spenny2cents]

Halloween costumes that aren’t “scary” or horror themed are complete buns. Nobody wants to see a wizard without some blood or gore, c’mon man!!

[@RGVTuber]

13:44 dont worry Brad f em

[@quezcatol]

pc metacritic 79% that isnt a bad score -but for an AAA trying to save Bioware? that is shit news for EA and Bioware. lets be real. Also, when you have 70k player at launch, and then monster hunter comes in with 460k players to test the BETA you realize, these rpgs from japan are even much bigger. Heck, Metaphor even sold 1 million copy at launch, and both granblue and unicorn overlord sold 1 million each as well within a month- and nobody can tell me granblue or unicorn overlord should rival Dragon Age. In fact here in Sweden, Elgiganten our biggest electronic store, charged 800 kr for the game (thats 80 usd) until launch week, then put the price down to 600 kr (60 usd) and even webhallen our biggest gaming store for online shopping just ordered in a few copies. Now, I get that Sweden isnt a "Tell all" for Dragon Age sales, but the biggest games like last years Hogwarts legacy and Tears of the kingdom was also the most expensive and most selling. In other words, unless DA:V is selling like 90% digitally now, even in Sweden, then something isnt going right with the pre-orders.

[@mecharobots]

Shout out to sonic except superstars that sucked

[@JonnyHyperbole2090]

I believe ya as a DA fan Matty, I know casuals will see this as a 7 or 8 and that's cool but it's not for fans. I'm slightly disappointed that the leak overshadowed your valid opinion on the game, at least in the hardcore fan community but I reckon that wasn't your fault.

[@cam86191]

Insane how many 10s and 100s Dragon Age got from reviewers. What a dishonest practice. After this I feel like I’m never looking at the major journo websites reviews again.

[@SlappyMcSlappster]

Funny that a guy who reports on Leaks had his game review leaked 😂😂😂

[@RGVTuber]

Rip eza & siftd

[@sixteenstone007]

Let me guess, not one mention of forced DEI, pronouns, or top surgery scars just bad writing. I'm losing a lot of faith in LSM they seem scared to be specific and address the real issues that are obviously killing what could have been a good game. They aren't hiring talent it's more about hiring whoever is on the same page with their ideologies.

[@yousefmoa]

You sound ridiculous

[@GothaBillsAndDeath]

Baldur's Gate 3 had left-leaning, DEI approved writers that definitely brought their influences into the game but it was tempered by the fact BG3 was a true-blue CRPG with extreme detail devoted to cinematics, positional combat, and narrative choice/consequences. There were people who came up with ludicrous ideas to explain its concurrent player demographic like Tencent bots. Because it defied their culture war narrative that a game like this could be so well-regarded by both journalists and players. So no, a bad game is a bad game. Politics should be regarded as set-dressing, or toppings, on what's otherwise a t*rd sandwich usually.