The Divisive One | A Saints Row: The Third Retrospective

In 2011, after three years of waiting and a lot of hype, fans of Saints Row 1 and 2 would finally get their hands on Saints Row: The Third.
Saints Row 3 is a turning point for the franchise because they decided to dial up the insanity by A LOT. This left fans of the franchise divided.
Many loved it and many hated it.
In this video, I'll be diving deep and breaking down the plot of Saints Row 3 and taking a look at what it did right and what it did wrong.
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Music used (in order of appearance):
“Wallflower” - Divalola
"Hunter Theme" - Shin Megami Tensei IV: Apocalypse
“Ginza” - Shin Megami Tensei III: Nocturne
“Exploration” - Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Survivor 2
“Gotta Pay” - Wordsworth
“The Maelstrom” - Cyberpunk 2077
“Patri(di)ots” - Cyberpunk 2077
“Soda and Soap” - Masta Ace
“Danger Zone” - Persona 3 Portable
“Wild Rush” - Dragon Ball Z: Budokai Tenkaichi 3
"Attack” - Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Survivor 2
“This Mysterious Feeling” - Persona 3
“King, Queen, and Slave” - Persona 5
“Get Them” - Yakuza 0
“Missions For The Brilliant Executioner” - Persona 4 Arena
“When Good Heists Go Bad 1” - Saint’s Row: The Third
“When Good Heists Go Bad 2” - Saint’s Row: The Third
“When Good Heists Go Bad 4” - Saint’s Row: The Third
“Blaster Nation” - No More Heroes
“Domain” - Shin Megami Tensei IV
“Reasoning” - Persona 4
“Restlessness” - Persona 5
“Escape” - Persona 5
“Connected Hearts” - Devil Survivor 2
“A Vow of Unity” - Tales of Vesperia
“I’m Free - Free Falling 3” - Saint’s Row: The Third
“I’m Free - Free Falling 4” - Saint’s Row: The Third
“Blood of Villain” - Persona 5
“Man’s Tomb” - Shin Megami Tensei: Digital Devil Saga
“Black Market” - SMT IV
“Isolated Fight” - Yakuza 5
“We’re Going To Need Guns 1” - Saint’s Row: The Third
“We’re Going To Need Guns 2” - Saint’s Row: The Third
“Suspicion” - Persona 5
“Kinshicho - Tinsel Park” - Shin Megami Tensei IV: Apocalypse
“Large Map” - SMT IV: Apocalypse
“Battle of Pride” - Yakuza 5
“What’s Going On?” - Persona 5
“Exploration” - Devil Survivor 2
“Parry Addiction” - Yakuza 0
“Tokyo” - SMT IV
“Midnight Closet” - Tekken 7
“Battle at the Edge of the Galaxy” - Dragon Ball Z: Kakarot
“Criminal Delights” - Yakuza 4
“Tokyo Emergency” - Persona 5
“Stick and Move (Instrumental) - Planet Asia
“Castle” - Persona 4
“Youthful Lunch” - Persona 4
“After the Fire” - Dragon Ball Z: Budokai Tenkaichi 3
“The Hero of Junes” - Persona 4 Arena
“The Wandering Wolf” - Persona 4 Arena
“Seeker of Truth” - Persona 4 Arena
“Decisive Battle With a Sworn Friend” - SMT: Devil Survivor 2
“Yagami Detective Agency” - Judgment
“Brother, Brother” - Yakuza 6: The Song of Life
“Youthful Lunch” - Persona 4
“Aggressive Tune” - Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Survivor
“The Operation Starts” - Devil Survivor 2
“Master of Shadow” - Persona 3
“Distrust” - Shin Megami Tensei IV
“Shudder” - Devil Survivor 2
“Battle of the Brave” - Devil Survivor 2
“Hunting - Comrades” - Digital Devil Saga
“Ikebukuro” - Shin Megami Tensei III: Nocturne
“Studio Backlot” - Persona 4
“Castle” - Persona 4
“The Summoner of Tsukigata” - Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Summoner 2: Raidou Kuzunoha vs. King Abbaddon
“One-Eyed Assassin” - Yakuza 0
“Crisis” - SMT IV
“Ginza” - SMT III
“Tokyo” - SMT IV
“The Maelstrom” - Cyberpunk 2077
“Blaster Nation” - No More Heroes
“Whiskey and Rhapsody” - Yakuza 4
“Speed Star” - Yakuza 4
“Dark Clouds” - Devil Survivor 2
“Secret Base” - Persona 4
“Sauna” - Persona 4
“Kinschincho, Tinsel Park” - SMT IV: Apocalypse
“Battle C2” - SMT IV
“Rival Battle” - SMT: Devil Survivor
“Threat and Vulnerability” - Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Survivor 2: Record Breaker
“Triangulum” - SMT: Devil Survivor 2: Record Breaker
“JP’s Geomagnetism Research Department” - SMT: Devil Survivor 2
“Aboveground Urban Area A” - Shin Megami Tensei IV
“Aboveground Urban Area C” - SMT IV
“KAMURO Again” - Yakuza 6: The Song of Life
“The Midnight Carnival” - Guilty Gear X2
“Connected Hearts” - Devil Survivor 2
“Restlessness” - Persona 5
“This Strange Feeling” - Persona 3
“Castle” - Persona 4
“Battle of the Brave” - SMT: Devil Survivor 2
“Hunting (Rare Devil)” - Shin Megami Tensei: Digital Devil Saga
“Sweatshop” - Persona 5
“Svadisthana” - SMT: Digital Devil Saga
“Keeper of Lust” - Persona 5
“Muladhara” - SMT: Digital Devil Saga
“The Maelstrom” - Cyberpunk 2077
“Hideout of the Chickens” - SMT: Digital Devil Saga
“Secret Base” - Persona 4
“Backside of the TV” - Persona 4
“Camp Ichigaya” - SMT IV
“Militech” - Cyberpunk 2077
“Valentinos” - Cyberpunk 2077
“Criminal Deilights” - Yakuza 4
“at last” - Devil Survivor 2: Record Breaker

[@lunarnocturne]

Rest of the BGM since it couldn't fit in the description (listed in order of appearance): “Last Decision” - Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Survivor “Tokyo Emergency” - Persona 5 “King, Queen, and Slaves (Another Version)” - Persona 5 “Keeper Of Lust” - Persona 5 “Tension” - Shin Megami Tensei IV “An Unpleasant Premonition” - Persona 3 “Battle C2” - SMT IV “Threat and Vulnerability” - Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Survivor 2: Record Breaker “Crisis” - SMT IV “A Moment of Rest” - Devil Survivor 2 “Aboveground Urban Area C” - SMT IV “Crisis” - Persona 3 “Youthful Lunch” - Persona 4 “King, Queen, and Slave” - Persona 5 “Unavoidable Battle” - Persona 3 “Blood Letter” - Yakuza: Kiwami 2 “Whiskey and Rhapsody” - Yakuza 4 “After the Fire” - Dragon Ball Z: Budokai Tenkaichi 3 “Battle of the Brave” - Devil Survivor 2 “Evolution” - DBZ BT3 “Criminal Delights” - Yakuza 4 “Septentrion” - Devil Survivor 2 “Break the Record” - Devil Survivor 2: Record Breaker “Infernal Tokyo” - SMT IV “Geist Obscuration” - Yakuza 4 “Shapeshifting” - draculasyndrome “Infernal Kasumigaseki” - SMT IV “Challenge Quest A” - SMT IV “Shibuya Underground District” - SMT IV “The Whims of Fate” - Persona 5 “Wild Rush” - DBZ BT3 “Burnin’ Up” - DBZ BT3 “Shootout In Meteor” - DBZ BT3 “Sahasrara” - Digital Devil Saga “Material Delights” - Yakuza 4 “The Almighty” - Persona 4 “Bloodstained Philosophy” - Yakuza 6: The Song of Life “Battle B4” - SMT IV “Distress” - SMT IV “Kanda Shrine” - Shin Megami Tensei IV: Apocalypse “Caution!” - DBZ BT3 “Providence” - Devil Survivor 2: Record Breaker “The Operations Starts” - Devil Survivor 2 “Mementos (Lower Layer)” - Persona 5 Royal “Manipura” - Digital Devil Saga “The Battle For the Dream” - Yakuza 5 “Combat” - Crisis Core: Final Fantasy VII “Staff Roll” - Shin Megami Tensei III: Nocturne

[@hayasher]

YAKUZA MUSICC

[@lunarnocturne]

YESSIRR

[@centrevezgaming4862]

During the Star Wars text crawl rip-off it mentioned an saints row movie in which foreshadowing and live action movie that was originally directed by late John singleton but sadly it got cancelled and nothing of it being heard in years from when the text crawl teased as it pre-dates they only went far as an concept teaser for it if I recall.

[@lunarnocturne]

If I remember correctly, 50 Cent himself was also gonna be involved with the live action movie. Would've been really dope to see.

[@hayasher]

Just got into the Persona series and PERSONA AND YAKUZA MUSIC RAHHHH🗣🗣💯💯🔥🔥

[@antoineboucher9859]

After seeing the Saints Row reboot, Killbane's "The Saints Legacy ends here... Not with a bang, but with a whimper..." kind of hits different.

[@lunarnocturne]

His speech before that line was quite prophetic lol.

[@aplias20]

There still hope stop being so cynical and dramatic Deep silver gave ip to one of there daughter companies studios

[@WideOldDan]

"Why don't we kill off 2 of the most interesting characters at the start of the game? "Yeah" "Good idea"

[@Dragoncam13]

Especially whenever Johnny Gat besides Playa made Saints Row what it was in the first place

[@WideOldDan]

@@Dragoncam13 can't do better than destroying the pillars of your series' success, right?

[@Dragoncam13]

@@WideOldDan exactly,it’s one of those situations where they should’ve retconned 4 and GoH cause you won’t ever have the same essence as you would with the original series with already established lore. That’s why a Remaster of One and Two combined into one game could’ve saved them outright

[@WideOldDan]

@@Dragoncam13 a remake would be great but, similar to AC1 and Ubisoft, I don't trust them to not mess it up

[@Dragoncam13]

@@WideOldDan True,if anything you can't trust none of the major developers nowadays to not mess things up big time with a bugged out release

[@soulbrother5435]

Saints Row is Fast and Furious of video games

[@lunarnocturne]

Holy shit... You're right. It starts off with some gritty first entries, and as time goes on, it gets crazier and crazier

[@Adrianinhd]

@@lunarnocturnenot only just crazier but further from what core fans want bc SR2 was hella crazy but it was grounded. You had to CHOOSE to play it crazy.

[@lunarnocturne]

From dressing crazy go activating crazy cheat codes, SR2 gave people lots of options.

[@AliBazz]

Saints row is a duology

[@lunarnocturne]

Wouldn't blame anyone for thinking that.

[@ShadowMark3_]

Given how heavily advertised Loren was, and clearly how he was able to keep Killbane in line he should've been the last of the Syndicate to die

[@lunarnocturne]

They were pushing Loren HARD in all the advertising I'd seen. I was expecting him to be an extremely cunning crime boss, hitting the Saints when they'd least expect it. As for Killbane, I wish his storyline wasn't so rushed because his charisma stole the show in every scene he was in. Would've made for an excellent storyline leading up to Loren.

[@dominiqueodom3099]

For me,I personally feel like the Dewynter Sisters suffered the most in terms of potential as the Sole Inheritors of Lorens Empire. As for Killbane he could've worked in a Vein similar to Maero from SR2,a Massive Pyshical Presence and a character to have a legitimate 1v1 rivalry with as the Boss. You could remove Angel De LA Muerta and have the animosity towards killbane come from him attacking Johnny's Funeral Procession and the Increasingly Dishonorable ways he fights compared to how he presents himself on TV as a neighborhood Entrepreneur and a hero of the People.

[@dasmole4804]

Bro that fire alarm going off had me fucked up. Looking around my god damn house for nothing.

[@lunarnocturne]

Lol I was so desperate to finish VO for that chapter that I decided to fight through the chirps.

[@snaxman5727]

Lol same yelling in the house

[@ChrisSealy1997]

I still remember getting Saints Row The Third as a teenager and being shocked at how drastically they changed from the street gangs versus corrupt police storyline from the first 2 games I remember a lot of people hated the tonal change with a passion it was a joke

[@lunarnocturne]

Ohhh trust me, I remember the discourse online. That was the most polarized I've seen a fanbase in YEARS.

[@ChrisSealy1997]

@@lunarnocturne I don't blame the fanbase

[@lunarnocturne]

Neither do I. This was a tonal shift nobody asked for.

[@ChrisSealy1997]

@LunarNocturne exactly the same thing happened with the Destroy all Humans games with the first two games being developed by pandemic and being about two men called Crypto and Pox versus the corrupt militaries of the 50s and 60s and having a serious tone while the later games went as gross out as possible especially path of the furon which was infamous for killing the franchise

[@lunarnocturne]

@@ChrisSealy1997 I think I remember you bringing that up in a previous thread. Crazy to see all the parallels between SR3 and Destroy All Humans with them having quite polarizing entries.

[@retroroy8720]

Your Saints Row retrospective series has been amazing. I'm looking forward to your thoughts on the infamous fourth game.

[@lunarnocturne]

Man, I have SO many things to say about SR4, i don't even know where to begin with writing that script. Thank you!

[@aplias20]

6th will be good or remake of sr 1

[@chesterstevens8870]

Hot take: the Adult Swim radio station should have included more tracks from MF Doom. He produced so many of their shows during that channels' heyday, it's the least they could have done to give him some publicity.

[@lunarnocturne]

Thankfully Volition's sound team featured Doom in SR1 when he was doing songs for the Madvillain duo. The devs have great taste. I also feel like there should've been more songs on the Adult Swim station because the selection was pretty low.

[@dominiqueodom3099]

I feel like SR3 never matched that Tone of the 2011 CGI Reveal Trailer. The feeling of Decadence,Glory,being at the top floor of a private penthouse as your a Borderline Celebrity in terms of how much power you and the Gang wield. Juxtaposed by the Ruthless and Brutal efficiency and Escalation of the Rivals hungry to take you down and even the overwhelming power of the government now having an eye on your organization now. Saints row 2 has been my favorite in the series for years and the clear reason for me above all else is just how much Better SR2's Stilwater is as a Map compared to SR3's Steelport. The variety and distinct differences between the Neighborhoods of SR2 truly made this map stand out for me as one of the most underrated Open World Maps of all time. Also,the amount of Building interiors to go into compared to Steelport which has legitimately so many dead zones with nothing going on with the civilians or nothing to do as a player besides causing destruction. The second biggest Issue i have is the Plot. The Syndicate and the 3 separate gangs between them feel so wasted and indistinguishable because theyre all connected. Loren getting killed and it leading to a power struggle is an interesting idea but its immediately just replaced by Killbane and the Luchadores and completely wasting the potential of the Dewynter Sisters. And the amount of Excess characters among the saints like Josh Burke/Oleg/Zimos/Viola Dewynter are just too much and take away too much focus from the story with the only saving grace of new Characters being Kinzie Kenzington.

[@lunarnocturne]

God, rewatching the CGI trailer brought me back to when I first saw it in the 5th grade. I had high hopes for this game back when that trailer dropped. How could you not? It was unapologetically stylish and gave you that feeling of being both a celebrity and a gangster. The map of Saints Row 2 remains undefeated. Each neighborhood had its own identity and you could tell where you were at without having to pull up the map menu! Steelport had so much potential to be a cool open world. Imagine all the rustic, yet neon-lit neighborhoods they could've brought to life while giving them their own sense of identity. The death of Loren leading to power struggle between the remaining members of the Syndicate was such a hugely wasted opportunity! It was right there! And the only things that came out of it was the death of one of the sisters, and Matt skipping town. The amount of throwaway characters added was also a complete waste. It felt like they only existed just to remind the player about certain activities, and to offer exposition on why they hate a certain gang. They barely feel fleshed out.

[@dominiqueodom3099]

@@lunarnocturne I'm currently doing a playthrough of SR4 Re elected and if you ever do a Retrospective on that game I'd love to see it. I think SR4 is better than SR3 in alot of ways and makes better use of old characters like Matt Miller and Kinzie Kenzington and new Characters like Keith David and Asha Odekar doing much better than characters like Oleg/Josh Burke and Zimos.

[@hayasher]

SR3 is personally my favorite out of every game I've played being SR1,SR2,SR3,Agents of Mayhem (if that even counts).

[@lunarnocturne]

My favorite is definitely SR1 because of how genuine it feels

[@Sammy-qx5mx]

Accidentally unlocked all the damage upgrades before I finished the deckers storyline, so I was immune to pretty much all damage(except mele) for the last third of the story. It was fun being invincible at first, but it got kinda boring playing through all those missions while invincible. The challenge was gone, and I was pretty much just there for the cutscenes. It's a shame because the game doesn't allow you to turn off the upgrades, leaving me stuck like that unless I started new save which wasn't ideal for someone who already completed so much of the map takeover. After that, the zombie mission was the only one that actually challenged me, since the enemies there targeted my only weakness.

[@drparadox7833]

I guess Syndicate did not get Maero's memo.

[@lunarnocturne]

Lol this time it didn't take Ultor to cripple them too

[@alansalazar9333]

Watching this 6 months after it’s out, I’d definitely watch an SR4 and/or Gat out of Hell vid if you dropped

[@lunarnocturne]

Don't worry, I'm still brainstorming a script right now. Can't wait to cover SR4 and onwards.

[@arex531]

My gripe with this remaster is that the Boss looks like made of plastic just like the original the third but now its more apparent since everybody got like hyper realistic faces and shit and your character stands out like a fucking caricature. Wish they gave a facelift to the player model too. He looks like a cat, big eyes and shiny while everybody has somewhat normal proportions.

[@lunarnocturne]

That's been my issue with 8th/9th generation remasters of games from the 7th gen: The dev team behind them always has to go with semi or hyper realism for models or objects, and then tries to make the players think the game looks "modern" by lathering the lighting with an offensive amount of lens flare.

[@Hu-kun]

I remembered when I was young I read up on the wiki for choices existing, at least when reading Carlos' page(when getting quite into SR2 after being reintroduced to Saints Row through 3), they did say that they regretted the lack of saving Carlos as an option after his mercy killing. Would've been pretty meaningful, since only the final choice makes a meaningful change to the story respectively. Everything else is just more money or more respect... money, or discounts. At least the first choice makes it so that Loren's tower can be snapped out of existence and changes the map even for a tiny bit. Side note, it's ironic that the tallest building in the map(according to the wiki) is something that I might pass by multiple times without noticing it. Edit: Oh yeah also unmasking Killbane option I forgot. Not much difference too, just a cosmetic change if you do the bad ending where he'll be either masked or unmasked during the confrontation. Melee gloves though, but outside of finding the weapon in TF2 first before the game the weapon came from, is kind of funny. And yeah it's more satisfying to unmask him, at least story-wise. Also throughout the Steelport adventures, gonna have to wonder what's even happening back at Stilwater when the leader of the Saints is pretty much living at another island at this point, and they're left to their own devices

[@lunarnocturne]

I feel like they handled Carlos the way they did because they probably couldn't think of other ways to fit him into the plot. Really sucks, because he's got so much potential. The choices that SR3 gives you are laughable, and I can't help but feel like it was influenced by Mass Effect and other games where choice is involved- both of which were popular at the time. I'm also still salty at not being able to inhabit Loren's tower. Regarding your side note: If Steelport weren't so bland, we probably would've noticed that we were passing by Loren's tower. As for Stilwater, I do wish there was some sort of linear DLC/expansion to go back there, but then you'd need a reason TO come back there.

[@GeteMachine]

SRTT definitely did things I didnt appreciate and the way its praised by game journalists just for being over the top had Volition later just double down and they intentionally dismissed and alienated fan opinion over journalist opinon if fans didnt like or agree with it; to follow the games after it. SRTT definitely is divisive for what it lead to. I do like the new characters though. Most people agree on at least that.

[@lunarnocturne]

I think you might have misread the title. "The Divisive One" I also made and agreed with a lot of the points you made. Hell, I didn't even feel like bringing up the Dildo Bat lmao

[@theobell2002]

I don't think journalists were responsible for that. I think a majority of the gaming community felt that way about SR3. It was their best selling game after all and it's something I keep hearing from people who didn't really care about 1 and 2. They always say shit like: "Haha over the top whackiness?! THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN SAINTS ROW!"

[@Professor_Genki7]

Saints row 1-2 WHERE over the top,have you even played the games or are you basing your opinions off random people you saw the internet?​@@theobell2002

[@jonginfidelity]

loved this!! i can’t wait for your video on the 4th one.

[@lunarnocturne]

Maaan I've got a lot to say about SR4

[@BackoftheL]

you make good points on the *bad* ending and i understand them all but when i played this game at release this was the ending i took simply because i did not have a connection to either Shaundi or Viola firstly they changed Shaundi completely from who she was in SR2 so i just didnt like her and i only just met Viola so not connection to either i wanted to kill Eddie more

[@lunarnocturne]

Yeah I could understand taking that ending if you had no connection to them. Me personally, everyone felt like a ride-or-die to me thanks to all the headcanons I made for them in my head (this was before I got to seriously sit down and play SR2)

[@Starwarsdude8221991]

I honestly love ending talk some prefer the bad ending saying it’s a return to form of the gang while others take the videos view were it’s ride or die

[@theobell2002]

The bad ending was clearly supposed to be the canon ending. The boss literally says "we're done being corporate wh*res" in the 3-Way cutscene. Why would the boss suddenly change their mind to do Gangstas In Space after they save Shaundi? Another point is that the game outright doesn't end when you decide to save Shaundi. Also, I really don't understand the hate for SR3 Shaundi. SR3 Shaundi might have an attitude problem (probably got that from the boss) but she isn't a pushover like she was in 2. She went from a pothead hippie to a hardened criminal. It's called character development.

[@BackoftheL]

@@theobell2002 that is one way to see the change in Shaundi. But I think the hate comes from the fact that we loved the SR2 version of her so much that she didn't need to change just like Gat if you look at him through out all the games his look updated but his attitude who he was didn't change because who he was that is what the fans loved so it would have been good to see the same with Shaundi. also on a side note that is why i hated them killing Gat off

[@themaskedwander]

while the remaster has its issues, the weird not getting into cars thing isn't new to SR3. it is in the original just happens WAAAAAY less than the remaster

[@lunarnocturne]

Yeah looks like a problem that Sperasoft exacerbated. There's probably tons more I haven't discovered

[@DRiFTzZGAMIN]

It’s actually annoying me that you only have 1k followers….. I’ve watched all your saints row retrospectives and they are fantastic! I’m only a new fan of Saints row. Only starting to play the third one the other day….. I’ve loved it so much that I’ve been thinking of going back, and after watching your videos, you have convinced me to get them!! Keep up the great work brother! You have just gotten a well earned follow☺️

[@lunarnocturne]

Yoooo! It makes me happy that these vids are getting people into the series!

[@jethiliusavalar6449]

Just dropping by to let u know that these retrospectives are amazing

[@lunarnocturne]

Thanks dude!

[@jethiliusavalar6449]

@@lunarnocturne you're welcome! Can't get enough of hours long retrospectIves :)

[@lunarnocturne]

Don't worry, there's more to come soon!

[@jethiliusavalar6449]

@@lunarnocturne oh excellent!

[@kentrellarmstrong5516]

I hope to see you do your own retrospective on the Mass Effect trilogy one day, but anyway, I love your Saint Row Retrospective series. It is engaging with your own take on the story and also gives information on the department of the game which gives insight into volition.

[@lunarnocturne]

I've been trying to pull together a script for the Mass Effect trilogy for YEARS, and I think after I finish Saint's Row and continue working on Persona 3, I'll do some rewrites on my Mass Effect script. I have a lot of love for that series. It got me back into reading about space and physics as a teenager and made me more passionate about the subject.

[@kentrellarmstrong5516]

@@lunarnocturne that's really cool.

[@xavivaldez4652]

When’s the sr4 critique coming out😔

[@lunarnocturne]

Don't worry, it's still happening. Decided to take a break from covering Saint's Row to avoid burning out from this series.

[@collencal4662]

Watched all 3 of your saints row videos, they’re awesome I fw your music choice as well.

[@lunarnocturne]

@collencal4662 Choosing the background music from all the games I've played in the past is one of the most yet frustrating parts of making these vids. Thank you so much!

[@spielmann1647]

Congratulations with 20 thousand views on SR1 and SR2 Retrospective videos !

[@lunarnocturne]

Thanks so much man! Makes me happy I was able to get that many people together to reminisce on those games

[@shinposting]

Thank you for this video, watched it once all the way through, gonna now play it again from the beginning while I sleep as well to have it injected in my subconscious proper. Put the SR1 video in the queue and looking forward to enjoying it when I wake up.

[@lunarnocturne]

Yo, thanks! I'm really glad that my vids are getting other people to go back and rediscover these games! Feel free to put me on in the background when you're playing SR1

[@shinposting]

@@lunarnocturne Not necessarily rediscover, these games never left my mind. In fact I'd say they're stuck there since I'm doing a 100% achievement completion of the games on Steam for the second time around. I'm done with SR3, SRIV and SR:GooH, I just have beaten SRIV in co-op left as well as SR3R

[@HandfulofComments]

I like the idea of saint row being like Disney At least they have the balls to do something new

[@ParkerMcgraw]

You should have more subs. Loved the SR1 & SR2 vids too.

[@AlCapwnedProductions]

Loving these videos, man!

[@lunarnocturne]

Thank you Mike!

[@mementomori771]

Hyped for this

[@lunarnocturne]

The hype was well worth the wait!

[@HersheyHemi1]

It might just be me but on the Kidnap Josh Mission. It always felt like damage YOU do is reduced not matter how many upgrades I have and Damage THEY do is increased! Making that Mission really difficult!

[@lunarnocturne]

Even with the damage modifiers upgraded while recording, it felt like every bullet was chewing through my health bar

[@StolasXB]

Thats becuase your upgrades arnt active on that mission.

[@lunarnocturne]

Yeah I found that out from another comment. All these years later and I never knew that those upgrades got nulled on that mission.

[@Dayadvance3]

Great video although I hope you change the barrier in that fire alarm as I heard it going off a lot in the background when I first heard it. I thought it was mine.

[@lunarnocturne]

Yeah it was changed after the Morningstar chapter. Sadly I couldn't pick any other recording locations since my family was using them.

[@abluecar5375]

You know, after looking at the female gang members, I always wondered where they would store their guns and ammo, considering the fact that most of them wear skimpy clothing I guess you could say that the Ronin girl just hides her gun and ammo in her jacket, even then it's a small looking jacket And where does the Morningstar girls store their weapons and ammo? Uhhhhh

[@lunarnocturne]

The female gang members of the first two titles- you could say they kept their piece concealed. The ladies of the Morningstar... yeah. I don't even know how they conceal weapons. Also, Boss was naked during the Safeword shootout. Does that mean that he kept ammo... Boss, no!

[@abluecar5375]

@@lunarnocturne Oh god

[@yaboyz5277]

Ayeeee awesome vid man

[@lunarnocturne]

That's wassup man! Thanks!!

[@mpg272727]

I think most can agree that 3 does have the better gameplay, the better combat/gun play and player movement than 2 but sadly 3 also has such a bland, forgetable location and the story feels rushed, unfinished and often at times has nonsensical plot and character issues (Like Phillipe Loren seemingly being built up to be the main big bad of the game only to die a few missions in, Shaundi coming across as a totally different person Monica Hughes also being built up to be a villan and yet nothing really happens with her and neither you/the boss or Pierce even caring about Gat's death??)and so there is no doubt in my mind that 2 has the much better story, characters and location. Of course if you know about the development of 3 you will know that hardly anyone that worked on 1 and 2 worked on 3, and 3 went through countless script and story changes and had about half the budget that had been requested and with the devs apparently being confused throughout most of the games development thanks to the high ups in the company saying they did not want the game to be too dark or serious which I think rather did screw the game over more so when it came to Gat's death as they clearly wanted it to be a serious momment yet "Sorry our game can't be too dark or serious.." Sadly while it will never happen for obvious reason I'm still somewhat sad we never got a saints row 2 remaster or remake. Can you imagine how good Saints Row 2 would be with modern graphics and 3's combat and movement?

[@lunarnocturne]

Yep, I actually went over a lot of that in the vid. I do think SR3 finally nailed the shooting aspect, allowing the player to enter and exit free aim more easily. I also regret not bringing up the staff changes that happened during the development segment

[@ankor1066]

Saints Row The Third was my introduction to the Saints Row series back in Christmas 2011 on the PS3, it was a fun time. But then a year later in Summer 2012, I played Saints Row 2, and was blown away how much better and far superior it was compared to Saints Row The Third. Now I see Saints Row The Third was the true start of the downfall of the series, and I noticed how much of a downgrade it was compared to Saints Row 2 when I played them back to back. The things you could do in Saints Row 2, the better story, and better map-setting made it all the better experience. I also did play the original Saints Row from 2006 on my uncle's xbox 360 slim back in 2012-2013, and it was so much fun too. Everytime I went back to start up Saints Row The Third I was disappointed, and underwhelmed, and just wanted to go back to Saints Row 2 or the first one. Even to this day, I feel the same way. Saints Row IV on the other hand I never played, but from what I can tell was a total new low in terms of the story.

[@lunarnocturne]

Ha, looks like I'm not the only one who played the series backwards as well! Speaking as someone who jumped in when SR3 released, I found myself preferring SR1 and 2 over 3. Those games have the better overall gameplay and map design in my opinion.

[@ankor1066]

I always preferred Saints Row 1 and 2 over Saints Row The Third even back then, I knew how much better I preferred the first two were compared to the third. When I was 12-13 years old, I noticed the downgrade, and how empty, boring and lifeless the third's Steelport felt compared to Stilwater. Although I must say I like the design of Steelport, but it has so much wasted potential, from the lack of enterable buildings, so on. The lack of options to customize your crib was also a major disappointment when I realized that it was completely removed. Saints Row The Third was not all bad however, it is fun, had interesting new characters, but the decision to kill off Johnny Gat in a quick apathetic way, was a stupid move on behalf of THQ, and is really what screwed up the game storywise. Saints Row IV hit the final nail in the coffin, going ridiculous with all the sci-fi alien BS and destruction of Earth. Not to mention Saints Row IV's story was based on Saints Row The Third: Enter The Dominatrix DLC, and it was not originally meant to be canon in the actual story.

[@lunarnocturne]

Upon starting up SR2 in mid-2012, I was blown away by how much detail there was in Stilwater, compared to Steelport. Both islands and each neighborhood of Stilwater represented something seen in a lot of major American cities, while still leaving room for its own identity. Steelport's idea of being based off of Pittsburgh is really awesome, but it kills me that they never went further with adding more detail and life to the city. It feels like they threw together the city in a couple hours, which is why none of the districts are memorable.

[@carrion-vj1yz]

i kinda wonder if the game creators read The Invisibles by Grant Morrison, especially with Saints Row IV's style. But then again that could just be The Matrix's influence, since the Wachowskis blatantly ripped off The Invisibles.

[@lunarnocturne]

Saints Row IV was DEFINITELY inspired by the Matrix, just in a more chaotic direction...

[@237.x]

Great video Can't wait for you to do the same with saints row 4

[@lunarnocturne]

It's in the works!

[@messii648]

This game would be fire if it had Dex as the main villain and focus alongside his pals, it can be same plot and everything but Dex here would make sense flee in a new city and take the city from dex it would tie the sr1 and sr2 so good and dex would make third 10x more gangster than that shit head wretsler killbane copy cat of Maero! Wasted chance man. Also don’t kill Gat that was wrong main best friend and main guy alongside boss. They should remake all three and put dex on third but with volition shut down it’s unlikely!

[@lunarnocturne]

Yeah a lot of fans were disappointed that Dex and Troy's storylines never received a follow-up. Hell, the DLC for SR2 with Dex ends on a huge cliffhanger, with Dex fleeing Stilwater, implying that we'll see him in a sequel. God SR3 had so much potential for Dex as a villain. Sucks that Volition shut down, but this was a long time coming.

[@rhysthomas1699]

Saints Row The Third could've been another major draw if only THQ hadn't interfered & killed off the legendary Johnny Gat, they also could've added another DLC of The Boss & retired Police Chief Troy Bradshaw joining together to finally take down Dex once and for all.

[@lunarnocturne]

Publisher interference is always a bitch. What also sucks is that SR3 had another chance to come correct with good DLC and it wasn't good (except for Genki Bowl, of course. More score attack is good enough for me).

[@rhysthomas1699]

@@lunarnocturne Do you think they could've finally finished the feud with The Boss & Dex in Saints Row 3 rather than in Gat Outta Hell?

[@annguyen-tr3ne]

Seeing the finish of SR 3rd Retrospective, wonder when are you going to continue with Persona 3?

[@lunarnocturne]

No need to worry. I've officially shifted focus to the Persona 3 retrospective. Writing and recording is currently taking place

[@uchihanigga9044]

Yo matt miller is fkn Sasuke 😂

[@lunarnocturne]

Bro left Hidden Leaf just to go beef with some celebrities lmao 🤣

[@snakeeyes2551]

He’s also Ben Tennyson and Shogo Akuji

[@HumungusO_o]

I firmly believe The Boss and Gat would have wiped their asses with this game.

[@lunarnocturne]

If they kept him alive, imagine the possibilities...

[@HumungusO_o]

@@lunarnocturne i wonder why shaundi, a grill with over 500 bodies (i dont mean kills neither) gives a damn about gat in this game. Wheres the goddamn story bros. 2009 saint here. Rip idolninja

[@HumungusO_o]

Hell in Sr2 there was no sentimentality imo Youre gonna die no matter what. This is that life. And the characteres. All of them. Knew it

[@lunarnocturne]

To be fair to myself, Shaundi hardly interacted with Gat in the last game. Still wish they could've built up their relationship a little.

[@Professor_Genki7]

Nah.

[@NoForksGiven]

The Saints weren't robbing the bank for money. They were doing it so Josh could get experience as a method actor. He's the one starring in their movie after all

[@mtndew4746]

Ffs feed your ceiling bird bro😂 had me going crazy trying to figure out what's beeping until I realized it was your video🤦‍♂️

[@mementomori771]

1:50:25 then they shouldve raised his age i never knew he was 16 till this video lmao

[@lunarnocturne]

Not the brightest idea, putting a 16-year-old in a game like this

[@andrewpenley489]

I honestly never realized why steelport felt familiar, now i know, its my home city, i love i get home represented but man its bland,

[@lunarnocturne]

I dunno how they took a unique setting like that and made it boring lmao. They had so much potential for a sandbox Pittsburgh jam-packed with stuff to do, and barely did anything with it.

[@ruffryder1208]

What we need is a remaster of either 1 or 2 hopefully whoever takes over volition can revive the saints row IP and deliver the potential

[@lunarnocturne]

Sadly it seems like the source code for SR1 may be lost. The source code SR2 on the other hand, was found on a server belonging to a dev or publisher related to Volition. So depending on how Deep Silver is feeling, we might get an SR2 remaster.

[@ruffryder1208]

@@lunarnocturne that’s a bummer 🫠 I guess the only viable option is taking SR2 and morphing it into a combination of The first 2 installments as a reboot I mean if they used the source code and original base models that were for saints row 3 for Saints row 4 like I never noticed this until your retrospectives (great shit btw) but they used the Daedalus or wtv that stag last mission ship is pretty much the damn one use the whole game in part 4 !! So they can use that SR2 source code to build an entire new game with next gen deep silver and volition should be charged with crimes against humanity

[@ruffryder1208]

@@lunarnocturne could you imagine a saints row (06) made with the same love and care and passion the Re4 remake was made with

[@lunarnocturne]

@@ruffryder1208 As it stands, the smartest option in the world for Deep Silver would be to hand the license over to a (hopefully) competent developer and let them handle the remaster. However, business is business, and publishers will only put together remasters if it's financially viable. Still, a Saint's Row 2 remaster would be a great way to revamp love for the open-world gangster subgenre in this console generation.

[@lunarnocturne]

@@ruffryder1208 A Saint's Row 1 remake with the love and care done on the same level as RE4 Remake would be amazing. I'd love to see how they handle stuff like gunplay and the general gameplay loop.

[@ShadowMark3_]

1:58:49 Huh, idk why i remember this but in the original Birk kept proposing to Shaundi like seven times here. Wonder why they changed that line.

[@lunarnocturne]

Trust me, that stumped me as well when I was writing and watching playthroughs. The reason why certain dialogue is written differently is because it depends on the voice you gave your character. This can range from stuff like unimportant sentences in dialogue to entire conversations.

[@DisrKspectfulVegetABull]

To be fair the first saints row i played was one and Gat was the sickest mf too i damn near looked up to him than i played saints row 2 and he loses his fiance who had a her character arc in saints row one btw and too be honest when i played 3 sho had me feeling all type of emotions i stilled loved the game so technically the folks that either one grew up off the franchise or simply played the games before 3 and messed With Gat then they would probably agree

[@arrownoir]

Amazing game. Best in the series.

[@FroztYcle4737]

You need more views bro

[@lunarnocturne]

Appreciate the thought! I got something coming out in an hour. Stay tuned!

[@AcceptGamingDKD]

Arm cannon. That's not barret. Thats a reference to either Megaman or Samus from Metroid

[@lunarnocturne]

Barret is always my go-to reference whenever I see arm cannons in anything lol.

[@ShadowMark3_]

2:49:40 In the bad ending section i noticed you brought up screwing over Burt Reynolds by claiming Steelport. But the thing is he's dead in that ending because he was also captured with Shaundi and Viola on the monument. The game just never says that though.

[@lunarnocturne]

I actually picked up on Burt dying after filming had concluded. You don't know how much I was kicking myself in the ass for not knowing that Burt was up there.

[@ShadowMark3_]

@@lunarnocturne Well the game never says that he's even up there so don't feel bad about it.

[@Frank_West]

3:38 I'ma like the video for that statement alone.

[@lunarnocturne]

Yep! Played the series in reverse throughout 2011-2013. Saints Row 1 felt genuine and grounded. Saints Row 2 felt like an improvement and had more to do. Saints Row 3... a lot was stripped away with this game and still leaves so much to be desired.

[@JBCG33]

Good video. Don’t forget to change the battery of your smoke detector 😂

[@lunarnocturne]

Lmaooooo thankfully I changed the battery after I finished recording for that chapter.

[@TheRavenShadowsWolf]

For the record; I'm the idiot that takes UNARMED as my preferred combat option in any game that will let me. Never particularly enjoyed the unarmed combat in either 3 or 4. Even with all the upgrade crap they give you - it unlocks by level restrictions (which are harder to get when you play unarmed only) and the special move stuff was not that easy to pull off. You can get the hang of it, but you also shouldn't have to "get the hang of it." I'd have preferred just straight X,Y,B options for light but fast, medium and then the heavy hit that's slower. The throwing is a bit more fun and in 4 the unarmed was a bit more fun... but you were also fighting tougher enemies to start with. So most of the time I was just plain Swiss Cheese. (Also wasn't a fan of the QTE brutes in 4, or the brutes from each faction in 3. The hammers are fun when YOU can use them... but the knock around is really bloody annoying to get hit with)

[@lunarnocturne]

Melee in this game was sooo frustrating and unenjoyable. Real step down from SR2. I also kind of wish they threw in a meter that would allow you to unleash one of those special moves on dudes after you've filled it via melee attacks.

[@Professor_Genki7]

Personally i thought they where better than sr2's.

[@yokoshimaru6659]

Nice video bro. Btw, change the batteries on your smoke detector.

[@lunarnocturne]

Lol I did immediately after recording for Chapter 1 wrapped up.

[@dr.calibrations7984]

It's funny. You hate how Kinzi is portrayed while I hate how Oleg is portrayed. I got into football, weightlifting, and the military during and after high school, without glazing myself too much, I'm a big guy and a smart guy. I hate how intelligent people play chess and use words like "exquisite" instead of "great" or "good." Most intelligent people tend to dumb down our words because explaining our statements becomes annoying, fast. We also dont just "intelligent" at people of equal intelligence. My bro is probably smarter than me, and we dont just relate by talking about applied physics. Our friend, an actual genius, doesn't talk about coding. He talks about games and other shit. Oleg's intelligence is just as tired as a stereotype tbh.

[@mrbungle3310]

Saints row 3 is a dumb mess of fun...and well made not like other modern games...its a masterpiece and the perfect balance between immersion and braindead fun

[@onlyonezay419]

Thank you for explaining how fucking trash that ending was and just the storyline in general was trash. You basically said fuck everything you built in one and two and just said “hey let’s go too space” 🤔🤦🏽‍♂️🤦🏽‍♂️🤦🏽‍♂️

[@lunarnocturne]

Ugh so aggravating watching how they set up the rivalry with Dex, just to scrap it for a completely nonsensical plot. Looks like we're never getting a resolution to the confrontation with Dex thanks to Voliton shutting its doors. Although it should be noted that while Volition is dead, the Saints Row license is in the hands of Deep Silver, still (not that my expectations are high).

[@onlyonezay419]

@@lunarnocturne bro they had gold on there hands and literally threw it in the trash all because of fools calling it a gta clone when really it just was a open crime world game and you look now we have nothing of that at all. And I have zero hope in the big wigs with these gaming companies. They all have so many people too please that it just ends up pleasing no one. Great video bro 🤘🏽🤘🏽🤘🏽🫡

[@khingofswordz43]

The "Saints" game core changed due to people kept calling it a "GTA Clone"....that made Volition to stirr away from the seriousness & go with parady over the top comedy.... "Steelport" depend on who you ask was modeled after a few cities. Some say Steelport supposed to be a fictional New York . Some say "Pittsburgh"....Other say "Detroit" & even "Gary Indiana". "Stillwater" was been "Chicago". "Santo Illeso" takes place in "Las Vegas" & ",Reno". 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔

[@lunarnocturne]

It kills me that Volition and their publisher didn't wanna expand upon what the first two games had built. Saints Row 1 was a sandbox game that set itself apart from the rest by giving the player more side stuff to do and more flexibility during combat. Saints Row 2 corrected all the gameplay hiccups from the previous title and became a stellar game as a result. Saints Row 3 took all of that and made the world more empty, gave players less options for customization, and gave us an inferior story and characters. They literally had so many chances to not fumble. I'd say that Steelport is definitely based off of Pittsburgh with all the old factories populating residential neighborhoods. I dunno where people get New York from lol. I guess it's the big screens in downtown Steelport.

[@centrevezgaming4862]

Continue: The devs played by the RoboCop movie playbook by jumping the shark by adding an parliamentarian special forces that made no sense to the stories about urban gang street crime and this is what ruined both SR3 and RoboCop 3 because both plots are similar it would have been way better that Shaundi left the saints and went back to still water by forming her own gang she would have been the perfect villain for SR4 instead of aliens where she formed an alliance with stag to take down the saints.

[@spazjackrabbit61]

I bet most of the budget gone to the Burt Reynolds and to the marketing of the game as there too many merch made to promote the SRTT

[@lunarnocturne]

I recently learned more about the development of this game thanks to Flippy. It turns out that one of the major reasons SR3 turned out the way it did was because of THQ spiraling downward and losing millions dollars from their dozens of failed movie tie-in games, the UDraw tablet being a complete disaster, and the 2008 financial crisis possibly having an effect on the publisher. Because of the loss of cash, they had to scale back the story and lower the budget- which explains why the story focuses more on the campaign as opposed to balancing out side missions and story missions.

[@diamonddead8162]

I see saints row 3, 4 and gat out of hell, agents of mayhem and SAINTS ROW as if they were the films I’m waiting for one where it takes place after 2 leading up to them being film stars

[@lunarnocturne]

I'm hoping that Deep Silver passes the Saint's Row IP to someone else competent

[@collencal4662]

@@lunarnocturnepassionate

[@HersheyHemi1]

Have you ever had SR 3 Remastered on PS4 crash on you? Every time after beat SR 3 R and SR 4 for Ps4 I look for collectables and do all the activities and challenges. But after about 3-4 weeks after beating the game SR 3 R and SR 4 crash! my Ps4 is in fine condition! Is it 3 and 4 are buggy to begin with?

[@lunarnocturne]

SR3 Remastered was REALLY glitchy for me. My character would interrupt the animation for entering vehicles. There's also the stick drift as I mentioned in the video too. I'll make sure to be on the lookout for that as I platinum this game. As for the SR4 port, I haven't encountered any issues.

[@jflor9594]

It glitched me out of a platinum after I got 100%

[@lunarnocturne]

My heartrate just spiked upon reading this

[@themaskedwander]

try reinstalling. I've never had any issues with SRIV but sometimes with 3 I've had encounters.

[@lunarnocturne]

I might reinstall SR3R for the platinum

[@arrownoir]

37:17 Haha, he’s trying to fool his audience into thinking he’s not wearing cheap knockoffs.

[@lunarnocturne]

Lol that drive-by roast was so hilarious. "Shit ain't leather, nigga" lmao

[@abdul2009]

Saints Row The Third is my favourite of them. Although i think that itd be better with the soundtracks of Saints Row 4 and GTA Vice City.

[@lunarnocturne]

I like that Saint's Row 3's radio went back to mixing up artists from both the mainstream and indie scenes. Also, Mix 107 has a great lineup of 80s and 90s tracks too

[@ItsLikeAbbas]

You are actually wrong about the tower not being a crib. It is actually a crib with a working helipad.

[@lunarnocturne]

We're talking Syndicate Tower, right?

[@centrevezgaming4862]

….This Contains Spoilers…… Huge plot twist that in the opening prologue of SR4 that Miller was an deep cover operator with MI5 or CIA according to Asha Odekar by explaining it to Shaundi and fun Shaundi returns in an throwback mission with Neil Patrick Harris reprising his role as Veteran Child and in the Dlc the saints that saved Christmas there’s an future Shaundi. Finally It turns out that Gat survived by being abducted by Zynyak so SR3 setted up the events of SR4 and enter the dominatrix was going to be DLC and Powers for SR3 later got cut and ended up in SR4 according to leaked sources at the time .

[@lunarnocturne]

I know those details, but for the sake of keeping the video more focused, I decided not to bring that up.

[@clarksonoceallachain8536]

I wonder..... is the dlc saints tank as good as the upgraded stag tank

[@lunarnocturne]

I never used it, so I wouldn't know lmao

[@clarksonoceallachain8536]

I wonder if someone made a video where them and a coop freind got in either tank at the airport and fired at each other to test

[@lunarnocturne]

Haha sounds like it'd be a hassle for me to do solo.

[@shawnnbits]

As a Pittsburgher, i hate SR3 even more knowing that fact about Stil😂😂😂 Also Danielle Nicolet(Shaundi) voiced Karui in Naruto so lots of anime talent here

[@lunarnocturne]

If it makes you feel better, during research for this video, I'd spent hours learning about Pittsburgh's role in the steel industry and reading about its rise, fall, and current state. You guys rock over there. As for Nicolette, that's my fault. I was only going for names that *I* recognized. My bad. She's talented tho.

[@shawnnbits]

@@lunarnocturne great vid man nonetheless. Pittsburghs ass but that's cus im from here lol

[@lunarnocturne]

Haha, I'm glad you got a lot of enjoyment out of it!

[@Fruty_]

When you doing saints row 4

[@lunarnocturne]

In the near-future. Right now I'm focusing on writing and editing for Persona 3.

[@Fruty_]

@lunarnocturne well that's nice to know I just really like you're retrospectives

[@lunarnocturne]

Thanks man! I've got a lot more planned!

[@Fruty_]

@lunarnocturne can't wait to see

[@Reigndolph]

Almost 3 hours? Seems appropriate...given what you're talking about

[@lunarnocturne]

Funny enough there's a trophy in SR3 called Third and Thirty. Fitting.

[@TheBeardHampster1979]

This game needs to be remade

[@lunarnocturne]

I'd say that it needs more tweaks than a full-blown remake.

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

Why? They already have it a remaster a couple of years back. Why not a remake of the OG Saints Row?

[@SCVMCVNT]

Saints Row 4 is my favourite 😭😭

[@lunarnocturne]

SR1 is my fav despite its issues

[@lucasdiazjr5679]

Ha ing hulk hogan play someone with Hispanic heritage is so ironic

[@lunarnocturne]

PFFFFFTTT stoppp

[@LightK_I_R_A]

Will you do saints row IV?

[@lunarnocturne]

I plan on covering Saint's Row IV. It's gonna be a double feature, though, with the full-length retrospective showing both SRIV and Gat Out of Hell. I'm currently working on covering Digital Devil Saga at the moment though.

[@LightK_I_R_A]

@@lunarnocturne you are a true Serbian

[@lunarnocturne]

Serbian???

[@LightK_I_R_A]

@@lunarnocturne I'm joking

[@kt1787]

1:01:14 Had I not seen your profile pic, I would've known that you were black based on this. Joking aside, loving the video!

[@lunarnocturne]

LMAOOOO good one. Yeah I was able to replace the batteries the day after I wrapped up recording Chapter 1 lol. Soooo frustrating to work with that.

[@kt1787]

@@lunarnocturne Damn things are annoying, you got that right!

[@YaboiZach02]

Me living in Pittsburgh: well shit, no wonder why Saints row 3 and 4 felt souless and bland

[@lunarnocturne]

Haha quite a few Pittsburgh people have commented on this video and they seem to be in agreement that even the blandness from the city bled over into the game lmao

[@YaboiZach02]

@@lunarnocturne it’s definitely true though, Pittsburgh be bland lmao

[@GeteMachine]

The only thing SRTT did right for me, was keeping that B-movie tone to the character tone, the characters look good, the boss is a bit more likable, dialogue and atmosphere (as well as the adult aesthetic the 2021reboot completely dropped) but the jokes were a bit stale to me replaying it. Nothing about it is all that funny or quotable compared to SR1 and SR2. it was where things started to change, where the series just began to rely on gimmicks and barely any tie into it being that b-movie gangster series it was at its core when SR2 changed things a bit. What SRTT's issues are as a fan, is its boring to semi-relevant plot, and barely any villain interaction, it was too streamlined, you don't get to actually fight the enemy gang leaders, most of the humor feels dated and kind of cringey now, and most of the cast barely does anything other than Kinzie. Shaundi is also just disrespected the whole game. It also took away a lot that was in SR2 and SR1 in terms of features, overworld, gameplay elements. Its a very meh game compared to SR2. A lot of the gang arcs were entirely just activities and its ending contradicts the plot the game started on, by the Saints choosing to sell out for Johnny, when he said he didnt want them to sellout. Gimmicks aside "lolololl dildobat" didnt make it a good sequel. Volition just being praised solely for being over the top, ignores a lot of things fans actually care about that game journalists dont.

[@lunarnocturne]

I will give SR3 praise for having top-notch character designs and making the Boss more expressive this time around. The lack of interaction with any of the villains makes all the antagonists feel like an afterthought; they don't feel like a threat. It still baffles me that the game built these guys up, just for the player to not even fight them. SR3 axing a ton of features is my big dealbreaker with this game. Volition had the chance to add more to do in the overworld, this brand new city, and they did nothing with it.

[@mementomori771]

1:01:16 change that battery

[@lunarnocturne]

Lol changed it the day after I'd finished wrapping recording Chapter 1. Hated it sooo much

[@HersheyHemi1]

@@lunarnocturne What IS that beeping noise?

[@lunarnocturne]

Smoke detector. Beeps when the battery is out. The most annoying noise in the world if you record stuff like I do. If you don't, it just becomes background noise.

[@Professor_Genki7]

Even though sr3 was a bit worse in some aspects compared to sr2,i don't think the change of the tone was that big,stop acting like saints row 1-2 where remotely realistic in the first place,they where not.

[@lunarnocturne]

My issue also lies with the fact that we still could've gotten a kickass, humorous, yet still grounded Saints Row 3 instead of what was delivered in the final product. Not asking for GTA IV levels of realism, but SR2's level of chaos where it's balanced. I agree that SR2 had some off-the-wall stuff (like fighting a man that controls a voodoo doll), but it still knew when chill out.

[@ruffryder1208]

#justiceforjohnny

[@miah9389]

Bro change your batteries

[@lunarnocturne]

Lol they got changed after that chapter.

[@AliBazz]

I know you most likely doin dis for da views but just in case you aint know it wasnt divisive, it was a disgrace, new people aint fans so they i aint liked da sr duology then liked da disgrace and others me included liked da sr duology then hated da disgrace, dat wasnt da case cause these people new maybe you included Da quality dropped pretty hard, look up flippy comparison videos: saints row 2 vs disgrace youll see wassup

[@lunarnocturne]

I was there when the game released and I remember seeing so many forum posts praising the game or outright hating it. Many of the posters were already fans of the previous titles. New fans either loved this game but preferred the older titles as well.

[@nubo8115]

That intro was awful 🚮

[@mementomori771]

You're a American use imperial not metric

[@lunarnocturne]

Metric >>>>>>>>>>>>