The DMC reboot isn't THAT bad (I swear)

[@LeightyK]

Been saying it for years, this game is fire. Been playing DMC since the first one and i have no problems when you change a character if it suits a good story.

[@Sk3lat0rRofficial]

but the story js isn’t good

[@jacks1678]

The world was unique and cool, the story was good, and the dialogue was hit or miss. I think a sequel had a lot of potential.

[@jlogan2228]

For real. The only things that aged poorly is the cringey edginess and the God ugly character designs for Dante Vergil and kat. Visuals and gameplay wise this games is easily top 2-3

[@gregorytang7225]

It's a well put together video and this is coming from a veteran DmC nut. Overall the most fun and bombastic take on Devil May Cry, anyone can agree or disagree. I've been coming back to it. I borrow the original release thru a PS3 with a friend and play my copy of Definitive on a PS5. But I gotta say, it's also too ambitious and had too many ideas. It is I think both its best and worst facet of it. I can see why you thought the theme wasn't quite landed by Dante in this story, because the whole "heart of humanity" is much more to the classic storyline anyway. Here DmC has a chockful of themes that I understand was sandwiched along with it. Themes of isolation and finding your place in the world, the play of nature and nurture, and I think how that is subverted when we put ourselves in their shoes as they (the demon lord Mundus and Vergil) see humanity. The aesthetic mixing of the hyper-urban architecture as the backdrop to an ancient demonic power, supernaturally twisting the environment. This definitely reflects back to the sound and ambience of the OST: the dark, adrenaline thrashing of Combichrist and while Noisia was mostly in charge of the background ambience and orchestra. And the most striking and obvious one of all: rebellion and defiance, through love. And it's not just Dante who does this because clearly Eva and Sparda, and their predecessors who chose to give birth to Nephilim but only to be massacred, have done this. I think there's also a mythological element to the story, something almost missing now in DMC 5, but definitely taken a lot more from predecessors. Sadly the time crunch is evident especially on the dlc. But I still appreciate the same genetic DNA: a surreal story on Vergil's tragic psychosis through hell. If anything, I think Vergil's Downfall may have been a prototype to Ninja Theory's most recent game, Hellblade. A much more polished take on mixing mythology and psychology, blurred altogether. This is truly a bold, neon-edge, unapologetic and surprisingly deep satirical take on a (anti-) hero's journey.

[@Foolycooly777]

Loved the combat of this game and dmc 5 had remnants of it

[@jlogan2228]

The weapons mechanic was actually really clever and I love the mechanic of pulling yourself to something or an enemy to you, it's probably the best part of vergils downfall

[@CelesteLunaRael]

DmC is a personal favorite. The flaws are understandable, knowing that Ninja Theory themselves are more frustrated that they can't do anything much. I do find the story is such a roller coaster of a fun ride and I wish there was more of this camp. Gameplay is so good, even from the original and in the definitive version. A lot of people are sleeping on Vergil's gameplay in the DLC. I can't say much on the story as it's obvious NT didn't even plan to make one initially, and it shows.

[@123nicanor]

I mean ofc it'll be ur fave if its the only one you played. Try the real DMC games. DMC 3 is good, 4 is unfinished but the battle system is amazing. 5 is good. Just try it

[@choccyprophet8691]

Don't think they said anywhere that this was the only one they played

[@CelesteLunaRael]

Just to be clear, been playing the franchise since dmc 1. I'm older than the franchise😂 But DmC just hit the right itch and flavor for me. I love rough and tumble anti heroes like this Dante. Uncle Dante is nice but I don't know😅..He's for a certain majority now I guess.

[@BaTtLeXAMVs]

the prophet has spoken, the devil cries

[@arberrexha7312]

Gen Z translation: Whomp Whomp

[@VonWitSlits]

​@@arberrexha7312*gen alpha

[@cajs100]

Kinda wish they added a character that has DmC Dante gameplay in DMCV

[@choccyprophet8691]

They definitely took certain elements with things like Nero's wire shot working a lot like demon pull, but personally I like it when each new DMC game experiments with what's gone before rather than just straight recycling it (as much as i think it'd be interesting to see reboots gameplay in 5)

[@titaniumcranium3755]

DmC reboot was never bad. It was actually my introduction to the franchise. Sure, it's no dmc3, but they are incredibly different games as well as different dante's. Dmc3 dante was still a jackass but he's more lighthearted and goofy while this dante is more brash and pessimistic. Both capture the realistic idea of what a guy that age would be like irl, just a different take on the character that i think we could all appreciate now that we actually have a dmc 5

[@choccyprophet8691]

Yeah I think the abandoning the base series in favour of rebooting it is the biggest reason people were so critical, and fairly so. But now we actually have 5 yeah it's nice to see people giving it a fair shot, even if it still has absolutely glaring flaws. Although I gotta disagree I'm really not a fan of his characterisation here, though I think it's definitely more down to the script than the base idea.

[@bigpickenergy5321]

I love this video! As a *big* advocate for DmC I agree with almost everything mentioned. I think it's fair to say most people are ok with reboot now, but hearing you say various aspects in this game are the best in the series to date? That's just 🔥. It's sad we can't acknowledge that reboot just did certain things better because it's "the black sheep" of the series. 45:10 - 45:40 That's how I've always felt about the enemies in reboot vs other DMC games. One thing I have to disagree with you on are the guns (33:27). Many people feel this way, but the guns are actually *quite* strong once you experiment. Ebony and ivory are most useful with fully charged ricoshot lv2 as this outright interrupts the ravagers (chainsaw guys) and the rage's attacks, even on dmd. Kablooey is best used when jump cancelled allowing you to pin all 6 explosives in a fraction of the time - dealing good dmg. Those are just 2 examples, but the guns really go unappreciated.

[@choccyprophet8691]

I'm glad you enjoyed the video! Yeah the guns have been brought up repeatedly as a point of contention, I'll be doing more research into the guns for the video on 5 for sure. I think I was just looking at it from a beginner players perspective rather than going through all the tech that is definitely there if you look for it. After further experimentation, I'm still not the biggest fan of how E+I and kablooey feel if that makes sense, but I can see they're actually quite useful.

[@Cyperstudio]

The amount of "DMC 2 wasnt that bad, it's definitely better than that SHITTY REBOOT" I get when cosplaying dmc 2 dante at cons is appalling. DmC is my 3rd favorite in the series behind 3 and 1 (3 being first and 1 being second), I feel like the game gets way more flack than it deserves mainly because the DMC community both hates change and a good portion of it is like a hivemind lmao. People will bash the flaws of this game but completely overlook the ones in 5 and ESPECIALLY 4, despite the fact the layout of those 2 games' campaigns is fundamentally flawed and makes multiple replays an absolute drag due to the multiple characters you're forced to play as, whilst the only thing DmC forces you to do multiple times is tiny scripted sections that don't even take up a quarter of the run time. The visual style is also heavily overlooked, probably due to how the characters look, IMO the concept art and 2010 trailer dantes were better but thats due to them backtracking after the huge backlash.

[@choccyprophet8691]

The hate for DmC is weird, from some perspectives I don't think it's entirely unjustified in context. Thinking back to a time when it'd been like 3 years since the last (pretty flawed) DMC game and then the series just gets rebooted to be completely different for seemingly no reason, I'd be annoyed as well. We're no longer at that point in time, but the DmC community (like every online community tbf) can be like a big hive mind which constantly passes information poorly from branch to branch and so whatever opinion is popular at the time just keeps getting regurgitated ad infinitum. When that's obviously just not really a fair way to consume media, DmC is definitely flawed but as you say there's a lot to like here. I'm at least glad I seem to have provoked a little bit of discussion on it though (I can promise the community will hate my final ranking with a passion)

[@logandelaharpe6362]

I’ve played 2 multiple times finished the reboot once and sold the copy 2 is better

[@logandelaharpe6362]

The studio also antagonized the fans at the time

[@starlight_artist]

basically tl;dr, this game but with all the original characters instead of reboot counterparts and a story written to actually follow the theme properly, and it would have been the best dmc game

[@choccyprophet8691]

Essentially yeah, but ninja theory can keep Bill O'Reilly in as a treat.

[@Leon_SKennnedy]

I would of liked if the story was about Reboot Dante and Vergil being OG Dante's kids

[@snknero9935]

@@choccyprophet8691 I think Dmc would have work better as own series if wasn't hold back being a DMC game allow it be own series.

[@choccyprophet8691]

This would've been the logical direction to take a reboot in, but Capcom is allergic to sensible decisions

[@choccyprophet8691]

I think there'd have been a very different reception if it wasn't a DmC reboot yeah, it'd be some kind of cult classic right now. That said I still think the story is such an absolute mess that even without the elements badly adapted from DMC, my stance on it would be the same

[@sakurinorth8238]

The way I put it is that If it was not titled to Devil May cry and was maybe called demon Way weep or some s*** or just had literally any other name it would have been a great game

[@choccyprophet8691]

Idk, I kinda think that every problem people have with it would still be there if it wasn't attached to DMC, you'd just focus on it less because it wasn't having those problems while trying to reboot a beloved franchise.

[@lord_eko]

Bro I literally fucking love this game. I swear I don’t care what a single soul from heaven would tell me, *THIS DESERVED A FUCKING SEQUEL* !!!

[@logandelaharpe6362]

It deserves the garbage pile it’s in

[@lord_eko]

@ who are you? IDC. *THIS GAME NEEDS A SEQUEL*

[@edwardelric5766]

​@@logandelaharpe6362🤡

[@FrancisL4D]

They could've fixed the story problems and improved it. Gameplay was good regardless.

[@lankeysob]

I love it. One of my favorite DMC games

[@LeoIce]

You're so real for this

[@shrippie-4214]

I love the fact that KZbin keeps recommending me smaller channels also probably because its the only stuff I click on big channels are probably legit completely bought off

[@choccyprophet8691]

I'm glad after many years the youtube gods have finally started chucking a few people my way lmao

[@slatergaming908]

I’ve always liked the dmc reboot Moves feel fluid and heavy and the sound track is amazing Even the “not in a million years” line had me let out a little chuckle

[@MikeyThompson-yj5rm]

I liked this game a lot more than dmc 5

[@choccyprophet8691]

Fair play, it's relatively even with it for me, both have really strong aspects and glaring weak points.

[@costelcosmincazan2321]

You forgot to mention that Vergil is a computer nerd in this one. “ The terrabites of sensitive data” that Vergil had to download from his computer so that Mundus demon hackers couldn’t get their hand on. Something that was never brought up again.😂

[@choccyprophet8691]

Yeah but what if Mundus had known Vergil's grand plan was to piss him off and then.kill him? Surely Mundus could've never predicted this otherwise

[@sneakyfox5]

Ninja Theory had to sacrifice their vision in order to appeal to the whiny fanbase.

[@choccyprophet8691]

In fairness, judging by the original trailer, I don't think the story would've been any better in ninja theory's original vision.

[@dc7981]

Blame capcom

[@choccyprophet8691]

@dc7981 Way ahead of you

[@VoidstriderLucatiel]

12:27 I'd like to stop you here a moment. They didn't do it to be 'epic and cool'. This is a difference in spiritual belief systems rearing its head. In The Devil May Cry universe, Angels are just another part of the Demon World. So Dante and Virgil could, in the original series, be Half Human, Half Angel, and it would have panned out the same way. To the Japanese, Demons and Angels are different flavors of the same exact thing. On the contrary, DmC: Devil May Cry was written from a western spiritual perspective where Angels and Demons are Holy and Unholy respectively. Humans are a down-stream effect from Nephilim. They weren't trying to be cooler or edgier, it's the same thing, just written from a different spiritual foundation.

[@VoidstriderLucatiel]

20:02 she's there because she's with Virgil's child. She's carrying Nero.

[@choccyprophet8691]

Respectfully I gotta disagree with this, on several points: 1. There is no indication given in DMC that angels and devils are the same thing, Devils consistently use divine masquerades to fool humans into believing that they are saviours (Fallen bio, all of DMC4, Mundus DMC1) no indication is ever given on whether or not there is a heaven to counter hell, there may well not be. We do know angels exist because they become the fallen, but we don't know what form they take and honestly I don't think it matters 2. Dante being half angel half human would absolutely make a difference, partially because of the reason I just mentioned above, but also because it would fundamentally change the thematics of the entire series. Demonic power is shown to be an absolute corrupting force, yet Dante resists both the demonic power of his enemies and the allure of his own through his humanity 3. My comment about DmC doing it to be edgy isn't disproved by your statement. Yes they come from a different spiritual philosophy but that wasn't what influenced their decision in the slightest, in fact it's the other way around, the base DMC series contains far more references to western myth and demonology (Leviathan, Echidna, Berial, Griffon, Mundus, Cerberus, Nevan, do i need to go on?). Meanwhile if you REALLY want to characterise DmC's designs they remind me far more of a Yokai, with the demons being this black sludge that possesses inanimate objects and pulls them together into demonic form (loose connection but still). 4. Even if what you said was true, it doesn't change the fact that nephilim are fundamentally just uninteresting. He's not caught particularly in loyalty between his angel and demon halves (he snaps out of his hedonistic ways instantly with next to no challenge later on). He doesn't choose humanity and strength of heart over physical power at any point in the story, he just runs along beating up demons, failing to have any kind of thematic counter to Mundus. And his one moment of humanity is a decision made for him by Kat. So yeah they did just do it because it sounds cooler, which isn't a problem in and of itself. But considering they do attempt to explore very similar themes to the base series I just think it falls completely flat

[@choccyprophet8691]

I don't know what you're talking about here, is there any evidence for this given within the game?

[@VoidstriderLucatiel]

1:04:39 alright, I'm gonna stop you here, again, to say, from the perspective of a deep fan of the ENTIRE Devil May Cry franchise? This wasn't a misunderstanding or a mistranslation of the DMC formula or storytelling. It was a transformative work that dropped the Japanese framework for understanding the spiritual world of DMC, and brought a more westernized interpretation to the work. The only way to really contextualize any of this is to understand the difference between how the Western world and Japan view spirituality. Yes, The Japanese do Western Studies. But their framework for divinity and spirits is conceptually foreign to The West. DmC: Devil May Cry westernized an easternized western story. I find it interesting I have to explain these religious differences to someone called 'Prophet'.

[@CelesteLunaRael]

I kind of disagree on the characters and even on the thematic perspective when it came to the mainlinr DMC as well. Yes it's been drilled to the audience for years how the strength of humanity is something that demons can never comprehend. But I'd wager even the mainline continuity couldn't quite fulfill this either. Only Lady from dmc 3 and Kat are truer examples of human resiliency. I can only agree the fact that the writing on DmC has focused mostly on Dante's arc and being a satire story.

[@choccyprophet8691]

Ah you see here I'd strongly disagree, pretty much every character in base DMC somehow tracks back to this theme even if it's not super explicit. - Dante might have a lot of demonic strength but choosing to keep his humanity is what allows him to overcome Vergil in 3. Choosing to keep his 'humanity' is what allows Vergil to become the demon king in reboot. - Large parts of Nero's arc in 5 are all about how he lacks demonic power, how from a strong demon's perspective he's basically just a guy, and yet he continues to struggle and resist despite that. - You missed out Arkham as a really good example of it, an ordinary human who's able to overcome and control the strongest demons despite every character in essence (bar lady) underestimating him. I could go on, but in essence as I said pretty much every named character has some sort of connection to this theme, even if it's not done amazingly. There's plenty of balance between representing the physical strength of demons and the emotional strength of humans, even within things like the enemy and boss designs. While that's not totally absent in DmC, the ways in which it's explored are often very shallow or just completely missed potential. At every turn, every human character except from kat is portrayed as a mindless goon, everything useful the order does is usually attributed to her or Vergil. And because Dante and Vergil have to be cool nephilim now, their moments of humanity are more about exploring the balance of angel and devil (something the game also really poorly explores). Enemy designs do admittedly have some interesting explorations of this concept, but that would take a long time to talk about and result in a lot of waffle. So I'll keep it concise and say that while certain individual games in the main continuity (like 2) aren't brilliant at expressing the theme, even they manage it a lot more consistently than reboot just because of the ways their world is constructed. Reboot has potential to explore these elements in an interesting way, and almost seems to attempt it sometimes, but it gets buried under 50 layers of poorly constructed social commentary.

[@CelesteLunaRael]

@@choccyprophet8691 I'll just say that with only the cited examples are the times humanity's essence was given credit above the ludicrousness that the mainline presented. I know there's more but only because the mainline gets to celebrate that by being around longer than the small chance Ninja Theory was given.

[@choccyprophet8691]

Well if you want a fairer comparison I think DMC1 is actually fairly apt. Both games were developed with the intent of fully starting from scratch and creating something new, both have flawed plots and characterisation. But again DMC1 is far better constructed to deliver the themes it intends to deliver, every character has visual or characterisation elements that link back to the central ideas of the game in an effective and sometimes really interesting manner. A good example being griffon's treatment by Mundus, being killed for the simple crime of loyalty. The difference between the two is pretty much just focus, DMC1 always had an intention to build a compelling world and set of characters, whereas DmC is caught between trying to reinvent the series and do something completely different, while also keeping a lot of the OG series the same and doing neither well because they contradict and bury each other.

[@CelesteLunaRael]

@choccyprophet8691 It's a nice comparison. But also DmC is also taking into account all 4 games at that time. Being a reboot may be a standalone and alternate universe, but it is taking notes from all the previous games at that era. DmC is also diverging and playing with other themes that play more around with morality and nature, such as Dante's discussions with Phineas, and pretty soon psychosis and ideology with Vergil. Although because it wants to remain a satire and the dlc being obviously built hastily to check the box on Capcom's list, these are all physical ideas and probably a subplot for a sequel. Despite it being all over the place with its structure I do applaud that they did something straightforward and was presenting an entirely different world...but with vitriolic fanfare since 2010 I guess anything that they envisioned will never be recognized.

[@Vinthechad]

DMC devil may cry (believe it or not) was my first introduction to the series. I remember seeing my cousin play this on his PS3 thinking it was the coolest thing ever. But as i got older, I became more stern about Capcom's business decisions around 2014 to 2017. Once they got back in their capgod era (DMC5 was announced) I was beyond happy for the distant future. Looking back at DMC devil may cry... while it didn't held up story & aesthetic wise, the gameplay/visuals we're actually pretty fun to use & look at. They added the lock on system & DLC into the Definitive edition, it's overall a decent experience for the hack n slash genre

[@choccyprophet8691]

Yeah I'd say this is pretty much where I stand, it's far from perfect but its a fun time, and far from being anywhere near as bad as DMC2

[@Burori1]

I tend to go back and forth on whether I enjoy the reboot or not, but I often lean on enjoying the things I did and disliking the things I didn't as a happy(?!) medium. Something I do wish they didn't change was the TGS2010 trailer design for the character. He had a weird punk-cowboy vibe that's a bit lost in the 2nd redesign.

[@choccyprophet8691]

Yeah I can see that, I think I'd have preferred it if they didn't compromise on some of the more different stylistic elements that they went for, like fedora Vergil, lanky Dante, etc Just because it would reach the point of being funny stupid for me. As it is it feels like it's not having enough fun with itself if that makes sense?

[@Me-jf2oo]

Do not agree with your opinions on the guns. Ebony and Ivory has Inverse rainstorm which juggled enemies in the air while bringing you into the air. Ricoshot which allows you to hit multiple enemies at once while also being good for sticking enemies into place (really good for combos). Ricoshot also has a timed max level shot which does more damage and can knock enemies out of DT in DMD. Ricoshot also stuns Tyrants easily. Shotgun can launch enemies further in the air with a shot like DMC 1. The charged bomb also does extra damage and launches enemies further into the air. Shotgun also instantly takes off the wings of harpees. Both Ricoshot and charged bomb can also be jump cancelled in the air and excellent for manipulating enemies in the air. Kablooey can allow you practically ping pong enemies around if you are good when knowing which direction the enemy will go into when detonating the charges. Honestly I feel you should have experimented with the guns more before just deeming them useless.

[@choccyprophet8691]

Fair enough that's an interesting point, I could definitely have experimented with them a lot more. In my defence, I will say there was a LOT to cover so I wasn't gonna mention the potential of every weapon in explicit detail, and I do think that while they're not useless as you say, they occupy a much smaller niche than the melee weapons. A niche which it's very easy to overlook when the rest of the combat system is as good as it is. Although that said I do really like how the shotgun feels even if I'm not a massive fan of E&I or kablooey. Was there anything else you disagreed with?

[@Me-jf2oo]

@ I recommend you do experiment with them more. If you ever try doing combos in the game I think you will really realize how useful they are. As for other things I disagree with well I disagree on story but we’ll be here for awhile if we go down that route. There are other things I disagree with but have to say, I was shocked you didn’t like the combichrist ost for the game. It’s a banger how could you not?

[@choccyprophet8691]

I'm surprised too, it'd usually be my thing but it just didn't appeal to me for whatever reason. I couldn't name them off the top of my head but there definitely were some combichrist tracks I enjoyed more than others. But overall it just didn't stick with me the same way the music from like 5 or 4 has for instance.

[@Cyperstudio]

guns are absolutely not useless in this game, the gun specials alone are enough for me to use E&I a whole lot

[@lau9076]

28:02 The only weapon whit hard inputs in the main series is pandora, the rest is just R1⬆️ or R1⬇️

[@choccyprophet8691]

Tbf my definition of annoying inputs will differ from most, I tend to struggle with R1 ⬆️⬇️ which there are quite a few of especially in 4 and 5. But yeah nevan and pandora are the main two offenders for me

[@theblackerberrytang4478]

I played both the release version and definitive version. Combat improvements in defininitive were helpful but overall i found the new take on the story to be refreshing and intriguing. I like that there was more of demon culture to expound upon here. I like getting to SEE the rift develop between Dante and Vergil from what seemed like a warm and refreshing relarionship development. I like that Vergil's choices cause dante a sortof identity crisis becase to him, his brother is a reflection of who he truly found himself to be. "If he's wrong, and we are all we have, what am I?"

[@choccyprophet8691]

I think aspects of their development is interesting yeah, but the script doesn't carry it off that well for me. I think it would've been a lot better if Dante had been an actual thematic counterpoint to Vergil instead of not really knowing where he stands (at least by the time he fights Mundus) I get it's meant to be drawn up as a crisis of identity like you say, but the story never fully dives into these aspects enough to make it compelling. I think that's reboots general problem tbh, some good ideas but no focus on executing on them

[@glaiveb9957]

12:57 I- were we looking at the same cutscenes?

[@choccyprophet8691]

To be fair the one I used wasn't the best example, but they really dip in quality after the first and some look awful. It doesn't help that some of the potentially more.interesting gameplay moments of the DLC (like fighting Dante's shadow as Vergil) are forced into gameplay as well.

[@glaiveb9957]

@choccyprophet8691 idk man, i thought they all looked pretty good except the faces. Those can look pretty off

[@choccyprophet8691]

It's more than just faces, the few action sequences that do happen are really scuffed, and effects like Vergil's eyes turning red when he go demon mode just look really goofy.

[@NecroKun2403]

DmC is a great game but not as a Devil May Cry game is what me and some of my friends say. DmC could've been named something else literally and change up some of the character's names, it would hold up on its own. I love the game and felt more ease playing it compared to the main line games, but not in the terms of having better gameplay. Both DmC and DMC is great on their own. People shat on the game too much that it hinders a lot of new fans from playing or having interest with DmC (thanks to gatekeepers and asswipes). My only grudge with DmC is the fact that the soundtrack is copyrighted (I hate that) and the fact that DmC Definitive Edition is not in PC yet (I wanna play on Turbo).

[@Taxislube]

Hey man I’m planning to make a video similar to this, May I reference you video for when I make mine?

[@choccyprophet8691]

Sure feel free to go ahead!

[@marcruth4531]

This game would have greatly benefited from an "Anti-Story" mode, where instead of making the game a cakewalk for people only interested in watching the cinematics, it removed the cinematics entirely for people who only want to play the game. I definitely had a lot of fun playing the game, it's just a shame it's burdened by having this plot, and characters.

[@choccyprophet8691]

Yeah this would've actually been peak in the definitive edition, you can skip cutscenes obviously,but it still has so many points where Dante just slowly walks around the level talking about the plot that need to be cut

[@CyberWoof]

Great video! I agree with most of your points. This was my first DMC game back in 2017 so I always had a soft spot for it. It's different enough to where it doesn't feel like a blatant downgrade compared to the original series and I consider it on the same level. Most of it's marketing issues could've been solved if it was literally called anything else but DmC. I still think it's easily one the best western developed stylish action games to this day. I think the best parts of this game are its level design, difficulty (remixed encounters), enemies, platforming, menus (simplicity and atmosphere) and overall creativity. While the bosses aren't the best, they're not that bad either. I'd go as far to say they're better than most of DMC3's bosses which are just plain annoying to fight. This Vergil has my favorite gameplay in the series because while he's strong, he's not as broken as DMC4 and DMC5 Vergil. I love landing his "just frame" charge attacks and throwing out his projectiles while jump canceling. I would kill for a sequel so that they can build upon and perfect the great foundation that this game laid.

[@choccyprophet8691]

I'm glad you enjoyed! I don't think a sequel's a strong possibility after itsuno left Capcom, especially with the prospect of DMC3:R or DMC6 being much more appealing to fans. In some ways I think it's a shame, I wouldn't mind a sequel to this game, but at the same time I kinda think it achieved everything it wanted to achieve. It modernised and played around with the gameplay of the base series in fun and inventive ways, though I'd say I have to hard disagree on the boss lineup being better than in three.

[@CyberWoof]

@@choccyprophet8691 Yeah it's definitely not getting a sequel but it's fun to dream! You're right about the fact that it accomplished a lot and DMC5 definitely took inspiration from it. Regarding bosses, DMC3 definitely has the better lineup but there's a few duds. I rather fight Bob Barbas than Jester or The Hunter rather than the Levianthan's Heart for example. The good bosses of DMC3 are leagues above DmC's best bosses though. I'm looking forward to watching your other videos!

[@ervinjohnson7943]

Great Video! I am impressed that there is still someone reviewing this game. but I played DMC 3, 4 & 5 before playing this game, it just feel sluggish to me. When I was Playing the Bloody Palace in DMC 5, The Only Character that beat The Bloody Palace without Super Costume is Dante. I can't do it with Vergil And Nero. Since I played in PC, boy do I have a lot to complain in the Color Coded enemies, and the boss fights are easy. And the no lock is making me insane, because of the color coded enemies and dante targeting the enemy that I don't want to. Because there is no Definitive Edition in the PC. You have great analysis in combat, the combo A and B is being similar to all weapons is ok, but for playing many hours it became samey to me. I also watch a lot of Combo Mad 5 years ago and I notice that a Lot of Combo in DmC they mostly use the Angel weapons, and the Demon weapons as finisher, maybe it changed now? I don't like the Devil Trigger in this Game, it just button mashing to me or just a free out of jail card most of the time. There is one thing you didn't notice in the Story is that why is Vergil and Dante Hair white when there parents have Red(EVA) and Black(Sparda) hair. Maybe it's a Nephilim thing but that would mess up the story because Mundus doesn't know that Vergil is Nephilim even though he had White hair. even when Dante's hair is Black he would at least notice that white hair in Vergil afterall he hunted Nephilims. (Mundus would think that Dante haven't reach the true power of Nephilim because his hair isn't white yet?) And also if this game gets a Sequel and Nero is on it what do you think the combat of Nero is? would he be the downgrade Dante? because Nero's hook is already in Dante in DmC.

[@choccyprophet8691]

Glad you enjoyed! Definitive edition is such an improvement to these concerns, it's a pity you can't get it on PC. Colour coded enemies are a lot more manageable, and there actually is a lock on system for when you need it. As for combat becoming samey, I can't say it didn't get a tad repetitive during things like a BP run when it was nothing but combat. However I think there's so much to toy around and experiment with in Dante's kit,and a fair amount of enemy variety that keeps you engaged by challenging how you approach certain enemies. I think the reason angel is so heavily featured in combo MADS is because they look for strong juggle potential to keep an enemy airborne, and that's angel's whole purpose. In reality I'd say each has their use even if you just use them raw with no weapon switch. On Devil Trigger I'd agree, it's cool to a certain extent and you can get neat tech off with it, but it often just allows you to turn it on and effectively skip an enemy encounter you don't like. I'm not fully sure on the hair colour thing, I think it's just intended for you to not worry about it. They only gave Dante and Vergil white hair to appeal to the fans of the OG and likely weren't worrying about what it did to the story. I think if this game gets a sequel it would be unlikely for Nero to appear, given that his character in 5 is intentionally made to essentially be a perfected version of DmC Dante. But if he did I imagine he'd work relatively similar to 4 in all honesty maybe with some neat angel/demon modes on his buster arm that have different purposes

[@gregorytang7225]

A DmC nut here. Sparda's hair in the reboot is never quite confirmed. All his portraits in the house have him appearing with white hair despite his face being obscured out But Alessandro Taini's painted official images of him has him with brown hair. This will never be resolved since there's no longer a continuation of this and Taini had quit Ninja Theory around 2018.

[@jlogan2228]

I just replaced the entire series 1-5 and remake and I will die on the hill that the remake is probably the most fun to play especially vergils downfall. Tbh I hate playing as V and Nero so that's why the remake in terms of gameplay is slightly more fun for me

[@choccyprophet8691]

Yeah I can get behind that, reboot is really fun so long as you skip the cutscenes.

[@jeremy123577]

I honestly i think this game story would been better if they stuck with the original concpet that being the tgs 2010 dmc trailer which had him chain up and being tortured which could have lead to a intresting manipulation type twist if pull off right but beaide alot of the coll gameplay idea from said trailer could have worked. that as someone who has put in over 500hr into this game between each verion of it the gameplay does shin well and this game does have the best level design. Trailer: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hZjJiZiLocl_qpYsi=ZStzLa2AzhLwoFnD

[@MILDMONSTER1234]

The general idea today is that the combat is fun but the story sucks. Honestly in my opinion its the other way around, I cant stand the gameplay but the story is.....its ok really. I mean how can i hate it when i find so much enjoyment laughing at it?

[@choccyprophet8691]

That's fair enough, I got a few good laughs out of it but less than I expected honestly. I don't know how to describe it but it feels like it's not having enough fun? I would be interested to hear why you don't like the combat though?

[@Me-jf2oo]

@@MILDMONSTER1234 skill issue

[@MILDMONSTER1234]

@Me-jf2oo Game is literally an easier bayonetta a game I already don't care for that much

[@Me-jf2oo]

@@MILDMONSTER1234 Yeah sorry if you can stand the gameplay you didn’t bother to actually experiment with it. Do what you want who cares, but you saying you “can’t stand” it reeks of skill issue.

[@MILDMONSTER1234]

@Me-jf2oo I played the game up until DMD for the original version when it came out and then a bit intil GMD when DE dropped. The demo for DmC before the game even came out was my introduction to the series which made me get Hd collection. The game lost appeal on me the older i get same with DMC3 to an extent. Nowadays i actually like DMC1 way more then either game

[@moogymog1722]

I don't know if my comment got deleted or what not, but just wanna say that i really disagree with some story parts here. Like this is the most non-serious Ninja Theory got despite themselves. And like how do you not understand the hedonistic chapter 1 theme? Like Dante is introduced to us here as someone who is marginalized and isolated, and the only way he can cope is to be pretty reckless This is the most devil may care Dante has ever been probably more literal and on-brand that the cheesfest classic version Don't get me wrong I do enjoy the classic versions despite their own massive flaws but the only thing that Ninja Theory ever got wrong here is that they've allowed themselves to clamp down their own creativity. I just don't get how haters don't know the dark fun vibes this game managed to achieve

[@choccyprophet8691]

I get what you're saying, and it is an interesting reading of his character, but I gotta respectfully disagree here. All of the elements you've mentioned are present sure, but they're only hinted at and never really executed on in any meaningful manner. Dante being 'devil may care' isn't the thing that defines his character, I think it's a bit of a mistake to think that. His refusal to take the demons seriously is laughing in the face of their 'power is the only thing that matters philosophy' and he does

[@choccyprophet8691]

Whoops sent that early, but he does take things seriously when he needs to. Meanwhile DmC Dante just feels like they overcorrected, his supposedly sincere character moments either lack the proper development to back them up or they just aren't serious (like when he goes I killed your kid lol to Mundus) . I get what they were doing with that scene specifically, but it wasn't the right time for a devil may care Dante thematically speaking. All of that said though, after each mainline entry video I make a follow up talking about the designs, characters, and themes of the game in more detail and I take a lot more time to think over it, so my opinion may change then. As for your previous comment, I'm sorry I don't know what happened to it, I didn't get a notification for it so maybe it just didn't send?

[@moogymog1722]

@@choccyprophet8691 Idk I get it as to why Dante in DmC has to piss off Mundus. The thing is in my read on the situation, Dante did what he did because Mundus is beyond reasoning. Mundus is a delusional ruler and has never been handed his behind before and wipes out oppositions And just being real, philosophy or any deeper educated stuff like talking about the human condition isn't Dante's forte, so the next thing he does is go for the low blow. I think he did that because he knew Mundus more through Phineas and there's some dark aspect there that Dante listened to a demon he befriended...who probably has their own agenda that Dante didn't have enough foresight to realize something about Phineas.. I don't think Phineas is evil but he is the trickster archetype that kind of gives a "gift" to the main character for their journey. I also don't think DmC Dante was made to BE a spoon feeding thematic fantasy character. I think they went for the "naturalistic" approach by consistently making him a flawed character through and through.. And I think without having to spell it out made me think what kind of "heroes" are out there who are doing this and likely aren't ideal to begin with as an anti hero is It's sorta the same recipe with his twin Vergil because he presents himself and his case that he's the right one or something. But turns out nobody actually agrees with his idea taking over, kind of revealing he's not as smart as he thinks he is. I guess he's played the anti-villain role here. I just want to be clear that it doesn't mean I don't like nor disagree with the themes in the classic stories of DMC. But their approach is very different and quite a bit inconsistent because they've been around for decades written with too many writers in Capcom. I just disagree that how come that reading wasn't clear with one volume of DmC and on Dante who's like 90% of the game centerfold with his bits hanging

[@choccyprophet8691]

@moogymog1722 Honestly you do make some solid points here, when I start writing the script for my other DmC video I'll take the time to address them fully because I think they deserve a much more detailed response than what I feel able to give through youtube comment The main thing I will respond to right now is that I don't agree that Dante is the way he is because he's intended to be more naturalistic. I think all too often the idea of having a natural protagonist that doesn't make clear the themes of a story is mistaken for a protagonist that just doesn't interact with those themes. It's clear that DmC is going for parts of the original series 'strength of heart > physical power' message but when it gets an opportunity, but it doesn't execute on those themes at all, or any themes really for that matter. Having a main character explicitly interact with the themes of a story isn't a bad thing, in fact it's the core pillar of a strong plot. It's the reason why DMC3, and to a lesser extent 5 have the best plots in the series. All of that said, as I stated before you do actually raise some excellent points about characters like Phineas which I hadn't thought about before and I will give what you've said a thorough re-examine later on.

[@moogymog1722]

@@choccyprophet8691 okay sure I guess and go ahead

[@UltraManager]

Gameplay and music was fire. Sadly the lore was scratched too much, definitely pushed by capcom to make Ninja Theory look bad. Ahh.. I swear they were zero willing to ruin it.

[@choccyprophet8691]

I don't think it's fair to say they did it deliberately, if anything I think the opposite's true, Itsuno and Capcom were the ones that were excited about completely reinventing Dante and DMC into something completely new. You can see echoes of that in Nero in 4 and 5.

[@FrancisL4D]

The dmc series never had great plots it was always gameplay>story. (Dmc2 has no story) DmC reboot had great gameplay but a mediocre story, If it was its own ip with no connetion to dmc, It wouldn't be hated.

[@choccyprophet8691]

Granted the series always focused on gameplay VS story, but I don't think it's really fair to say they were bad. The world established by 1 is really cool even if the overt characterisation kinda stinks, and DMC3 is just actually a really well told story with quite a few interesting elements. Granted the series isn't exactly Shakespeare, but it does have a strong central plot. But yeah you're right, if DmC hadn't have been a reboot of such an already beloved series, it likely would've been a cult classic right about now

[@TV-MA.x_x.]

The only good things from this game are Dante's VA and Vergil's Yamato SFX.

[@lesteryaytrippy7282]

Say whatever you will but this game kicks ass. And it's weird I play better as Vergil here though like the movesets are more smooth and maybe because he only has one weapon versus the big inventory of ax, sword, big cajone fists lol I love playing this game and love re-exploring this world

[@عبدالوهابالبرغثي]

The problem of the game is carrying the name of devil my cry if the game has another name maybe it will had success

[@Shatter149]

people hated the reboot is because they dont want to accept the new dante. its a reboot though arw they confused? gameplay amd story are not bad, in fact the story on dmc is better than dmc 4 and 5. no kidding.

[@choccyprophet8691]

People didn't like it in part because it was such a drastic departure from what had gone before. But also they didn't want a reboot when 4 hadn't sold poorly, which is fair enough. As for the story I gotta respectfully disagree, 5's story (though flawed) is the second best in the series, and this game's potentially okay plot is weighed down by awful use of thematics and characterisation.

[@Shatter149]

@choccyprophet8691 what i dont like the story on dmc 4 and 5 is because its waay to predictable and didnt give the main character enough development instead, dante became a side character now. the reboot however gave a rich experience to the mc. from an edgy jerk to an a guy who cares about his friends. the og dmc doesnt have that. its really a flat anime vibe story.

[@choccyprophet8691]

Yeah I guess you can say dmc Dante develops, but there's not much reason actually given for his development, he just sort of does it. Dante being a side character in 4 is fine, he's essentially a god-killing sassy uncle that's come to look in on the kid his brother left with no child support. He doesn't really need strong characterisation or development because that's not the point of 4. As for 5, he's not a side character at all, him, Nero, and V are all equally important in the story that unfolds, his part of it just focuses around the second half of the game. 4 I can see why you'd prefer DmC even though I'd disagree, 5 is flat out just better by every metric.

[@Shatter149]

@@choccyprophet8691 my only point is they didnt expand the main characters on the mainline. totally neglecting the one who started all and didnt expand his character. i didnt like that idea at all. or maybe theyre just being lazy and just focus on the gameplay. santa monica did it perfectly with kratos. the reboot was heading to that route but it didnt get enough chances due to unnecessary hate it gets.

[@choccyprophet8691]

But they did expand on Dante's character, the whole point of 5 is the conclusion of the Dante/Vergil rivalry. He has to learn to put aside his differences with Vergil and does so, even if you disagree with the way the story went about it you can't really say he didn't develop. If anything DmC is like pre-2018 GOW, where there's flickers of interesting character development but its poorly utilized because gameplay is the primary focus.

[@CapZhu]

In terms of music I still like DMC 3 OST as the best in my opinion but I admit I like some of the songs in the reboot. As for DMC 5, I only know Bury The Light which has been memed to oblivion lol. Haven't played DMC 5 yet tho so my rankings might change in terms of OST tier list And yeah this reboot is decent. But I still like the classic series more. DMC 3 again though so far. Though in terms of opening cutscene? DMC 4 is the best

[@choccyprophet8691]

Yeah 3 and 5 probably have the best music overall but I wouldn't overlook 4 and 1, they both have some absolute slammers. Might well make an ost tier list when I'm doing reviewing the series.

[@danteshollowedgrounds]

Thank You and let those DMC2 Glazing Wannabes Know that THIS GAME IS GOOD TOO... There will be no cherry picking of the sort here. EDIT: It just grinds my gears the wrong way when on one side of the web some consider DMC2 to be "Good" now but forgot all about the DmC Reboot like it doesn't exist at all... Hell, if they wanna get even more crazier why not talk about that latest mobile game shall we??? 👀👁👁👁 No? Yeah I thought so 😅😆😆👌 well anyways yeah DmC reboot is a thing, the music in game is Great, the lines are whatever even though I LOVE that one meme line being Not In A Million Years.

[@choccyprophet8691]

Tbf I'd geniunely love to see someone argue 2 is better than reboot, I don't even know what you'd say to begin arguing that point

[@danteshollowedgrounds]

@choccyprophet8691 Yeah, I've seen some though offhand say it but not in a video though just mad trolling honestly.

[@dc7981]

@@danteshollowedgrounds People like the ideas of DMC2 not the execution

[@Sk3lat0rRofficial]

@@choccyprophet8691 i gotchu the only argument there really is it’s just story and overall concepts in general but other than that dmc got it

[@thedawapenjor]

I liked it until I tried to SSS everything because I swear I'd do a flawless run and somehow I'd still get like an A or something.

[@choccyprophet8691]

Did you max out the completion score for every level by finding every secret? That's a hoop you have to jump through before you can SSS the levels properly.

[@alaminior]

I liked the game quite a bit honestly

[@MotivatedMunchkin-p9q]

THEY GAVE ME A FEDORA, A FYCJING FEDORA!!!

[@choccyprophet8691]

Okay I hear what you're sayin'. Counterpoint, it was reaaaaally funny

[@MotivatedMunchkin-p9q]

I can’t hide the photo album forever… what will Nero say when he sees it?

[@86cid]

it is

[@choccyprophet8691]

Nuh uh

[@danteshollowedgrounds]

Devil May Cry 2 I Hate Strongly With A PASSION HOWEVER I love the devil trigger forms in that game dearly, I'm sorry but as a demon enjoyer I just can't help but to find those ooky, spooky, yet cool sharp dreaded things cool asf yk... Both forms from Dante & Lucia I find COOL personally.

[@choccyprophet8691]

Yeah I'd agree there, not the biggest fan of Dante's, but Lucia has my favourite DT in the series.

[@costelcosmincazan2321]

More fun to play than DMC 5? Or you did not played that one?

[@choccyprophet8691]

Working on that currently, I like to 100% them before I make a review though, so it might be a little bit before it comes out. So far it's been a blast though.

[@aregularskeleton5669]

At least it ain't worse than games made by phoenix games and dingo pictures, right.... right?

[@flumu7229]

well its not a bad game overall just a bad devil may cry...dont get me wrong i just think if this game came out with a whole new story and different charakters nothing to do with devil may cry it wouldn't be hated as much because the combat is fun overall i just hate this red and blue opponent bs, the level design is dope af and the music slaps

[@PIMPTD]

This game was doomed from the start. Is the game that bad no. Do I like it? Also no. When you find out more about the making of the game you realize they wanted to do more but capcom mandates held them back. I get the frustration they had but attacking the fans was never goin to end well. I original said I would try it and judge it on it’s on merits till that. After that I waited till was free on ps plus. So in my honest opinion it was ok game but definitely not a good dmc game. However few things got carried into dmc5 one of the best games ever imo and I have to think it for that

[@choccyprophet8691]

Idk I think if you peel back the layers of badly told story, the actual core of what the gameplay is doing is solid DMC gameplay, DMC is all about being stylish and the reboot offers you that. I think the gameplay alone at least puts it above more flawed entries of the base series like 4 and 2.

[@PIMPTD]

@ no I agree the gameplay is dmc just not the story. Like I said they took things from this one to dmc so have to think it for that. Nero’s wire , Dante’s over charge. Ninja theory was good choice with them doing ninja Gaiden. However capcom’s mandates and attacking the fans killed this game. I think if they had free reigns and didn’t attack the fans maybe sequel could have had better story etc. we’ll never know though and like I said gameplay is solid dmc gameplay and I liked the environment platforming.

[@LeetTron5000]

this game kicked so much ass

[@Kondrax]

It is THAT bad. Idk why, but the combat feels so slow and sluggish that I just cant force myself to play this game

[@choccyprophet8691]

Fair enough I can understand that, out of interest though, did you play the original release or the definitive edition? They did make quite a few improvements in the definitive to make the combat feel a whole lot better.

[@Leon_SKennnedy]

Definitive edition has turbo mode and that's honestly the only way to play the game, without it it definitely feels slow

[@RHEMEMES]

In my rank this game is my 4 favorite dmc title the story is shit but the combat is pretty fun and the levels are decent, the bosses with exception of a couple are pretty bad bud the normal enemies are decently good , i say that with a better history and better bosses it could easily be in my top 3 but allas is not bad for what it is

[@morepower6800]

You're right it's not bad but absolutely garbage and an insult to DMC

[@choccyprophet8691]

You know what I was gonna clap back but I don't want Vergil wearing the Neo sunglasses showing up on my doorstep unannounced

[@morepower6800]

@choccyprophet8691 smart decision

[@123nicanor]

no

[@choccyprophet8691]

Yes

[@logandelaharpe6362]

It is the worst

[@choccyprophet8691]

Nuh uh

[@TheAlanRaptor]

Nah, it is.

[@choccyprophet8691]

Nuh uh, I promise

[@Shatter149]

elaborate