The Dogon Tribe and Sirius B Ancient Knowledge or Extraterrestrial Contact?

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[@jerichohill487]

So, in the 1930s a French guy told them about a star discovered 20 years later. That's a freaking neat trick.

[@richardwickens2923]

It's not evidence of Aliens - it's evidence of TIME TRAVEL!

[@thefourshowflip]

I don’t know where the 1950s date comes from (the first measurement of the star’s diameter was in the 50s…but no matter); it’s inaccurate, which is honestly surprising for this channel, but nevertheless, it’s just wrong as stated. We go back to 1844 when it was noticed that Sirius (and another star) went through periodic shifts from it’s predicted proper motion (it oscillated in a way that wouldn’t make sense for a solitary star with no other local, external influences), and Friederich Bessel hypothesized that there was an unknown companion mass that was causing it to oscillate as such (binary stars were already known to exist at the time; this was the first time the companion was “unseen”, and as we now know that’s because it’s a white dwarf). There was continued study on the star system (being first visually observed in 1915). By the 1930s, it would have been well known that Sirius B existed.

[@47f0]

​@@thefourshowflip - And we have the inevitable and ubiquitous Wikipedia cut and paste: --- On 31 January 1862, American telescope-maker and astronomer Alvan Graham Clark first observed the faint companion, which is now called Sirius B, or affectionately "the Pup". This happened during testing of an 18.5-inch (470 mm) aperture great refractor telescope for Dearborn Observatory, which was one of the largest refracting telescope lenses in existence at the time, and the largest telescope in the United States.Sirius B's sighting was confirmed on 8 March with smaller telescopes. --- In either case, Sirius B was definitely "a thing" much before this encounter.

[@ceceliaz]

@@thefourshowflip For what it's worth I think that they were stating the legend as commonly told and then dismissing it.

[@lyndsaybracken4210]

Even si admits it goes in one ear & 90% goes out the other 😂

[@rommelseepersaud6174]

Man went straight to discrediting the Dogan and give a whiteman credit 😂

[@MmGocrazy-rs1cc]

That's been the story since they came to America lies and hatred

[@dougs7367]

Are you Sirius? You Dogon right I am

[@MoonkissedMintakan]

This….is by far the most AWESOME comment on a YT Short. 😂😂😂 I needed the laugh today ❤

[@elijahbutterfield4869]

Ouwch. Right in me funnybone

[@filhanislamictv8712]

Sirius black

[@ct4470]

Talk about refusing to give credit where credit is due.

[@senecavermeulen8110]

the Dogon are a very interesting group. they speak a very divergent branch of Niger-Congo (possibly an independent language family), and the most likely language isolate in West Africa, Bangime, is spoken in the westernmost part of the Dogon area

[@J4k7193R]

So the French guy told them of a star they knew of

[@KingSeer]

The caucasity

[@MmGocrazy-rs1cc]

​@@KingSeer🤣exactly and sickening I'm so sick of it the fake arrogance and real ignorance

[@marvindube3572]

If only Western nations looked past their prejudice, they would realised it's majority of African tribes.

[@elijahbutterfield4869]

Not just the Dogon?? Who else?

[@marvindube3572]

@@elijahbutterfield4869 Example when western missionaries and anthropologists came to South Africa. They made a mistake of thinking the word Zulu means the the blue sky you see everyday. However the word Zulu means interplanetary space. Meaning they were well aware of time travel and different dimensions. If you like I can send you recommendations of a well written books and articles by one of the Zulu shamans who made it his lives mission to change the narrative about the Bantu people of different Thousands of Tribes on the African continent and to dispel the fallacies that are told about us.

[@NotUrBlkCrschnAntiGayMissile]

@marvindube3572 🙋🏿‍♂️there's no way any one will take the word of a Zulu shaman speaking about the great knowledge of his own people as having scientific veracity. They will take the word of the consensus, which will always say that the non-Egyptian/North African aka the sub Saharan African had no knowledge or skill and that everything they have of significance either migrated south or was fed to them by the European as illustrated in this video. But we, although we are in the minority, who are learned and aware of the world's documented monomaniacal and habitual bias and refusal to except black creation and mental & civilizational capacity and in the interest of the goal of Black Inconsequentialism have lied about the genesis of African ironworking and about who crafted the Ife Bronze busts and about West Africans having no written language, must be skeptical of these so-called "mainstream" scientific concenses as well. One has to find a happy middle ground of 3rd party sources that must be tested and scrutinized for old patterns of thinking which corrupt objective and truthful impartiality, while also not buying into every source from the black African region that blows up ancient/medieval black Africa as Wakanda pre-European contact. It's very tricky.

[@abhishekghosh4384]

​​@@marvindube3572I am interested to know. 🙏

[@marvindube3572]

@@abhishekghosh4384 hi bro. Google a book called Song of Stars: The Lore of a Zulu Shaman. It would be a nice intro what I call the universe of Africa 🌎

[@PREPFORIT]

I believe then. I do not believe that anthropologists told them lies WE leave that to the missionaries!

[@leedavis8555]

Anything to try take from Africa having more knowledge

[@3Xc01A]

We too dumb and savage to have anything

[@lenny5774]

This is why we have the Prime Directive.

[@camohawk6703]

Except the prime directive is fundamentally flawed.

[@plantainsame2049]

Star trek?

[@Kalebfenoir]

If I remember right, when they told the researcher about the star, they told him there were two stars, and that the gods that visited them cam from the second one. At that time the second star was not known because we couldn't detect it yet, so the researchers were puzzled. But when telescope tech got better and could see the star clearer... thats when they realized there WAS a second star there. Which confused the hell out of them because the Dogon didn't even have simple glass lenses, let alone the advancement necessary to spot the smaller star against the glow of the bigger star. But somehow they did.

[@47f0]

In a letter dated 10 August 1844, the German astronomer Friedrich Wilhelm Bessel deduced from changes in the proper motion of Sirius that it had an unseen companion. On 31 January 1862, American telescope-maker and astronomer Alvan Graham Clark made the first observation of the faint companion, which is now called Sirius B, also known as "the Pup". This happened during testing of an 18.5-inch (470 mm) aperture great refractor telescope for Dearborn Observatory, which was one of the largest refracting telescope lenses in existence at the time, and the largest telescope in the United States. Sirius B's sighting was confirmed on 8 March with smaller telescopes. So, we had clearly known about Sirius B for about seventy years by the time the story takes place, and had pretty good evidence for it 20 years before it was observed. There is a tendency to think that there was no science before the iPhone was invented. That is not the case.

[@Loralanthalas]

​@@47f0 how'd they know without the telescope? Just eagle eyed? Or they didn't actually have festivals... Or the festivals only were started after the white dude told them? And then pretended those festivals were around before him? We know there's a planet x wandering around in our own solar system based on wobbles. Maybe some tribe in the Amazon has been tracking the damn thing the entire time, laughing at how stupid westerners are.

[@shelleybeach-fp2kv]

Isn’t there a Sirius C too. Which one was the smallest, yet the heaviest thing, this side of the Mangamukas? & everything rotates around that?

[@47f0]

@@shelleybeach-fp2kv - Siriusly?

[@shelleybeach658]

​@@47f0yes. I c what u did there lol x

[@user-qg5wg9ut2o]

If you look at their ceremonial garb & artifacts you can see that they were inspired by something from out of this world 🌎

[@medman4309]

I know shorts are meta but us DTU fiends love our long-form content. I'd watch podcast of Kevin's writings if you made it. Hell I'd even pay for it

[@badbiker666]

The more I think about it, the more I think it would be natural for an aquatic species to achieve interstellar travel. If you fill a spaceship with liquid, the occupants would be a lot less prone to things like radiation exposure, or acceleration and deceleration injuries. Hmmm.

[@47f0]

Except for the fact that if your life-support is liquid-based, everything gets much, much, much heavier, and your rocket tends to sit on the ground instead of lifting off.

[@badbiker666]

@@47f0 So you build a rocket big enough to handle the mission. We are talking about a species far more advanced than us, after all. Or their planet has a lower gravity, possibly due to its surface being covered in liquid, and doesn't need such a big rocket. Or they come up with something other than a rocket to leave their solar system. Or they are very, very, small compared to us, like the size of plankton. There's lots of possibilities.

[@Thedeseri]

​@@badbiker666Good points. Another one is.... their rocket takes off as normal, they wait for deep space achievement & only then activate the gases that produces their liquid. Sort of like our hydrogen+oxygen=water. Gas is way lighter than liquids I would imagine.

[@rashkavar]

Ahh, 1930s anthropology...

[@perplxxd]

two words that really shouldn't go together

[@grovermartin6874]

The Robert Temple book, The Sirius Mystery, is well written. As I recall, Temple connects a lot of dots. Much of their tradition is an echo of Egyptian legend and rites. Okay -- but there is a large expanse of desert in the way. Has anyone read The Sirius Mystery?

[@47f0]

Robert Temple??? Aahahaaahh... Hey, you should read the books by another excellent scientist, Erich von Däniken. Sheeesh.

[@ohbesirius]

Yes I have read it, twice lol. His books are very good. 🙏💛

[@kevosims2012]

Doesn't adequately explain how they knew about Sirius B. How's an anthropologist going to front load about something he himself didn't know?

[@JustHereForTheDialogue]

They didn’t “know” twinness was a big part of their beliefs. So important intact that they assigned twins to other stars of importance to them. They just happened to be right about one.

[@47f0]

Why wouldn't Griaule have known? He wasn't just an anthropologist - he studied astronomy in Paris, and Sirius B was known since 1862 - nearly seventy years prior to Griaule's Dogon expedition, and before Griaule was even born. Maybe more likely than Griaule "embellishing" his story (spicy anthropology reporting tends to get more funding) with his own astronomical knowledge, he wasn't the first European in the area - in 1893 an entire astronomical expedition was in the area for five weeks to study a solar eclipse- and Henri-Alexandre Deslandres and his team would absolutely have known about the discovery of Sirius B thirty years prior. Even worse - the Dogon's advanced insterstellar aliens were crap astronomers - they thought Saturn was the farthest planet (and the only one with rings) and got the number of Jupiter's moons wrong. In other words, coincidentally, these ancient aliens didn't know any more about astronomy than what late 19th century European astronomers knew. Weird.

[@ohbesirius]

That's cuz they back loaded it instead 💩 That's just what the French DOO..

[@turnerjackto2801]

​@@47f0since 1894, another orbital irregularity has been observed and scientist are speculating that there is another star in the system. The dogon tribe mentioned Sirius C(A dim star).

[@47f0]

@@turnerjackto2801 - Old information due to imprecise measurements. We have better tools now, and Hubble has made no observations that suggest a third star in the Sirius system.

[@AaronJ323]

There will always be critics to the ancients knowledge and deep down your afraid they were actually visited by visitors from Sirius b and afraid to not be the smartest beings in the galaxy.

[@agnosticsaint]

No one’s afraid, we’re frustrated that hundreds of years of science is being destroyed by people creating conspiracy theories to cash in on your ignorance

[@47f0]

Deep down I'm afraid that believing in BS doesn't make me any smarter.

[@RodneyKimbangu]

@@47f0 Say that to the ones who insulted Galileo!

[@47f0]

@@RodneyKimbangu - Galileo's legacy of rational thinking, and careful observation of repeatable evidence is insulted by even attempting to associate him with this woowoo nonsense.

[@AaronJ323]

@@47f0 He’s saying the people who killed Galileo also called him a liar and a heretic they also said it was nonsense and bs but guess what he was right. What I’m saying isn’t bs either the bald man in the video is scared of extraterrestrial contact. Get your knowledge up the government has just announced they have unidentified ships for decades. They been here for years and years the public is just afraid just like the bald dude in the video. You can’t tell me ufos don’t exist I’ve had enough of that I’m done with that gaslighting.

[@twilightmoon3782]

The Mali Empire was cool. :)

[@CJusticeHappen21]

I was gonna say, it's one thing to say, "Tell me what you know." and another to say, "Have you guys figured out the following details of the Universe yet?"

[@ajura8926]

Sirius B is habited by the Nommo people according to the Dogon tribe.

[@JustHereForTheDialogue]

The problem I have with this story is that Frenchman is the only one who claims they have this knowledge. More recent contact with them has established that there are many mistakes in their “predictions” and the ones they get right they agree they were taught by the French man. Hes the only man that claim a they have this secret knowledge.

[@ohbesirius]

The French are quite evil.

[@turnerjackto2801]

Imagine you found a magic mirror one evening, then you took it home. After many years, a stranger befriends you and after several conversations, he noticed you have info about past, present, and future events. He begged you to tell him how then you finally did because you think he is a good man. After a year or more, everyone in your neighborhood knows this story then they come knocking just to confirm the secret you've preserved. What will you tell them???

[@JustHereForTheDialogue]

@@turnerjackto2801 I don’t entertain crazy people.

[@turnerjackto2801]

@@JustHereForTheDialogueOh! I get it. Anything above your understanding is madness 😂😂😂.

[@JustHereForTheDialogue]

@@turnerjackto2801 Nawh just people that believe in shit that can’t prove such as yourself. It has nothing to do with you having a higher level of understanding and those that proclaim or imply they have one are almost ALWAYS idiots.

[@72vince27]

How did he provide them with knowledge about a star that they couldn’t see with the naked eye? That’s like me telling a 3 year old Chinese boy about Denmark. He wouldn’t even know what that meant. How could it hold cultural significance if the existence was supposedly unknown. They must’ve known somehow.

[@davomccranko]

Ridiculous to simply dismiss their ancient knowledge in a pathetic quip.

[@turnerjackto2801]

Many people don't believe the stories of the dogon tribe but they talked about the Sirius B being a dwarf star and that's something you can't deduce from a telescope. They also mentioned Sirius C. From calculations, astrologers are almost certain that there is another star. So that's enough evidence to show that these people had ET contact

[@randomnoctis6361]

What is this dude talking about at the end😂😂. He needs to re-do this short because the contradiction is hilarious😂

[@KingSeer]

Yeah the Caucasian refutes African wisdom because the Caucasian is atheist and without knowledge of Soul. He lacks any understanding of Creation; dismisses his existence as a triune being. We laugh at such ‘intellect’ 😂 They choose to believe what their fears allow them too! Sad state

[@abrahamjackson6019]

Lol ! European travel to a remote part of Africa to give them ancient knowledge of a star system. You cant make this up.....😅

[@bigboss1831]

An how do you explain their celestial celebrations and ceremonial garments. As an australian i find it astounding we refuse to give any indigenous people credit for absolutely anything. Black creates white and Asian. Not the other way round. We are of them! An we will continue to dismiss our ancestors teachings. We have destroyed more history than Isis did during the 2 decade oil driven conflict of iraq and Afghanistan.

[@terim.0404]

No. Star people visited them many eons ago giving them knowledge of the universe. It is not a fabricated story by some hack anthropologist.

[@abhishekghosh4384]

I once had an OBE in childhood, where I went to this star system and learned a lot of things about it, including what's mentioned in Dogon legends. I hadn't heard of this star before this incident.

[@elijahbutterfield4869]

Hold tf up. Dont they say that there are THREE stars? Sirius A, B, AND C?? Cause, we havent discovered the third one yet. Am i getting that wrong? Anybody got a follow up?

[@47f0]

So far... no evidence for Sirius C. Not the only error these brilliant ancient astronauts made - Apparently, Saturn is the furthest planet, the only planet with rings, and, they only knew about the same number of Jovian moons as early 20th-century astronomers knew. Hmm.

[@greenbunnyinabongo7299]

There’s thought to be a third that may be found

[@47f0]

@@greenbunnyinabongo7299- Nope. There really isn't. As recently as 2017, Hubble has done pretty definitive studies of Sirius, and there are currently no measurable orbital anomalies or motions that suggest any third body of any consequence in this system.

[@ohbesirius]

There most definitely is a 3rd (and maaaybe even a 4th.) 🌬️📯〰️✨🌟

[@turnerjackto2801]

Sirius C will be found.

[@sam21462]

So how would the French guy in the 1930's know about the companion star that was discovered in the 1950's? Seriously, do you even read this stuff ahead of time or are you too caught up in all that beard grooming?

[@47f0]

You're about a century off. Sirius B was discovered and confirmed by multiple telescopes in 1862 - nearly seventy years prior to Griaules' Dogon expedition, and something that, as he also studied astronomy in Paris, he was very much aware of. Perhaps you should be less concerned with other's grooming, and a bit more with the weedy state of your own intellectual real estate.

[@bpdmf2798]

Sirius A sounds like some Canadian guy egging you on in a fight "serious aye"

[@gvilleboyz7790]

I know this was an attempt to discredit the information given by the Dogon tribe. The problem is with the festivals of celebration you mentioned. According to you, they were given modern knowledge, which would explain how they knew about the star. But at the time, "modern" Scientists did not know how the star moved, and the celebratory festivals were found to be accurate as far as the timing of the star's orbit. If the modern scientists were indeed the ones who gave them the knowledge, how would they give them the knowledge of how the star orbits? That makes no sense. You've actually made their claim seem more credible. They've given what we now know to be fact. You are still speculating and giving conspiracies as to where their knowledge originated. You also failed to mention the fact that the artifacts and origins of the Dogon story go back hundreds of years, even before the 1800s when this star was supposedly first discovered. And the final question. What group of Europeans would have traveled to sub-Saharan Africa, found the Dogon tribe, and imparted knowledge about a newly discovered star to them in the 1800s? A visit like that sounds more unreal than one by aliens

[@lm4349]

Aquatic? You mean Atlanteans? I hate that this video so holds that ol fashioned British collection vibe.

[@chucknutly3290]

Wouldn't men travelling on boats wearing shiny metal shooting fire from their hands seem alien to them? Couldn't the aliens just have been a more advanced human civilization?

[@johnharrington9564]

Perhaps...but how did they know about it?

[@chucknutly3290]

​@@johnharrington9564someone told them about it after the 50s and within one or two generations it was rewritten into their belief system. Easy.

[@dyiorragray1079]

@@chucknutly3290 Lol it was no person that visited. They got their knowledge from aquatic fish alien gods. This is by far the dumbest reason I've ever heard.

[@alexjohnson1261]

Ugh shorts!!!! I need a decoding the unknown full episode!!

[@geegnosis8888]

Nope, you got that one wrong.... It was more than knowing that Sirius was a twin star but also that its orbital pattern was like a dna strand ie continuing figure eights. And this was known by the Dogon long before science could confirm it.

[@JustHereForTheDialogue]

Lmao. The only one who claims they knew before the Frenchman came is the French man. He also drew wild conclusions about “what they knew.” Based on arbitrary beliefs that he connected to astrology. “Oh they believe this so they must be talking about how the start is small and dense.” When they never actually said they knew that lmao. Go read the nasa documents. Its seems less special when you have all the info.

[@turnerjackto2801]

We've seen the NASA document. You're wrong. NASA gave the Dogon tribe credit for their accurate knowledge of the Sirius star system.

[@williamalbright4774]

Half asleep in frog pajamas - Tom Robbins

[@allanhastings7688]

FFS, Sirus B was discovered in 1860. Honestly!!!

[@Ikantspell4]

It was an alien interaction! Just the boring one that brings pox and fevers.

[@Tezzmeuster]

Well this pissed on my fire

[@rodneyharris9681]

But why dismiss that they knew about it already..?!!. News flash..... people knew about space before anyone co-sign their findings..!!!

[@AcesLawnEnterprise]

Bro , you just said all this stuff about them and what they know then you debunk them . Why can’t you except that they know more then us. Just cause they have no technology and don’t live like us you think they are dumb or liars. We are the ones who need teaching .

[@nevillesam8526]

Anyone else noticed this guy is on a million different channels

[@darrenthorpe7729]

It's because he's an expert in spreading lies

[@Esch_atton]

Hmm... no

[@erichbaumeister4648]

What's more likely to be true: A or B? Duh.

[@harryfromaustralia657]

See you THINK hes trying to debunk it but hes really giving shoddy explanations to low key point out the fact this stuffs real

[@bitteranjel6782]

😂 tribal people who are non European have alot more knowledge then what people think they live in and around nature what makes people in ancient Erope assume people are ilitrate they have to plant their crops and do their hunting based on the weather and solar system because they have a less polluted environment

[@julianhart2247]

What episode is this?

[@nessa2481]

This might not have aged well. Send another French anthropologist to talk to them!!

[@Dillburt71]

Please dont make this a shorts channel. I love the DTU content

[@kymmzej9173]

“Doeghin” 🇬🇧 ☕️ 🎩

[@wildflower7925]

So it was the French guy that told them about the star, that they already knew. You are your ancestor, his would be very proud of him😊

[@sarahharrison8520]

How serious is it?

[@RodneyKimbangu]

Dig deeper, dear bearded KZbin sage! You owe it to your audience!

[@fernandogarajalde4066]

Does this mean ancient aliens told “bedtime stories” while sleeping with tribal women? 🥰👽

[@eviltwinzak]

What if, though?

[@jaixzz]

Nay-sayers Unite against alternatives to the drudgery of "science"

[@wacotexasmayor4573]

Maybe the dogon been around for 100000 of years so u will see the different patterns of the galaxies

[@nanaoseibonsu3798]

When it is from Africa Yall don't believe in it but when it is from the West then you believe

[@texascityyy]

At the end he tried to give white people credit for their knowledge smh

[@sliperysid]

"The UFO brigade" this sanctimonious, champagne socialist's condescending speech annoys me yet again!

[@ohbesirius]

HE ANNOYS THE SHEET OUT OF MEEE TOO! You nailed it with "sanctimonious" 😂

[@reluctanthorse]

LOL The Dogen Nonsense!

[@darrenthorpe7729]

This guy talks a lot of shit with eloquence

[@Undefeated0-0]

sounds like such BS

[@markphilips6298]

Never preface a question with "Did you know...."

[@judychurley6623]

What "knowledge of the stars" really? What does that phrase mean?

[@MobiusMundUr]

Astronomy. Jesus dude, it's not that hard to grasp what the phrase means

[@jupiterjohnson7191]

Seems like there is some truth to the myth!

[@mrliberty8468]

Yeah the aliens wanted to impart them with the knowledge of the stars...

[@SkipperDannyD]

Bllx

[@lanu9103]

Agree that we should give a benefit of doubt whether it's true or not but maybe you are jumping too early into conclusion.

[@feralbluee]

interesting though it is, thanks for bringing this “legend” down to size!! aliens indeed! 🙄

[@ohbesirius]

Ahhh. But you would be surprised. My advice to you is don't listen to sanctimonious Brits with annoying announcer voices telling you whitewashed lies about your reality. Think for yourself my dear - the sheep get slaughtered in the end. Every. Single. Time.

[@stinkeaimgaming4847]

Ya how could the anthropologist give them info on it in the 30s if it wasn't discovered till 1950 that's 20 years can you explain your obvious pessimistic views

[@47f0]

Except... A) the anthropologist wasn't just an anthropologist - Griaule had studied astronomy in Paris. and ... B) 1950? Try 1862, when Siruis B was first observed and confirmed by multiple other scopes.

[@CosmicMirrorsLLC]

@@47f0funny how the Dogon tribe is theorized to have descended from the Ancient Egyptians/Kemetians/Nubians (we still have yet to crack the mystery of the pyramids of Giza) and the tribe is situated just south of Timbuktu. MANY famous, Caucasian philosophers and scientists from those days were known to go into Africa, namely Timbuktu and Egypt, for “study.” What do you think they were learning and what do you think attracted them there in the first place? It’s ok to read unbiased research that doesn’t support your racist ideology that black Africans are inferior to Caucasians. Racism is a mental illness.

[@ohbesirius]

​​@@47f0I should think that catching the twinkle of a star through a telescope - and having the exact mathematical equations for a synergy of orbital relationships to the entirety of it's unseen mechanisms - is definitely not the same thing. This display of stalwart refusal to honor those who came before you is not only disappointing - it's downright disrespectful.

[@lulujanuary]

Lack of light pollution maybe?

[@clayroach964]

it was confirmed that french explorers made them aware of this

[@dyiorragray1079]

They was already aware of it

[@ohbesirius]

And did the French confirm that? 😂😂😂

[@scarlettardis2018]

These shorts are annoying Simon! Do a full episode dammit! 🧐

[@maxandmols9526]

It's qhat the algorithm wants to grow channels these days, everyone is at it.

[@Loralanthalas]

They may be for bringing in more viewers. He needs a bigger algorithm. There's no reason his channels are so old and so small.

[@scarlettardis2018]

@@Loralanthalas they're not though...old that is. His channels are young and new.

[@zochiang]

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