The DOWNFALL of Normal Types - Pokemon Type History

[@JPRPokeTrainer98]

ok back to zelda now

[@bulborb8756]

priorities

[@AdminAbuse]

Enjoy your 70 bucks DLC

[@robertlupa8273]

wow you changed the title and thumbnail pretty quickly

[@stupidpros]

Congrats on 200k!

[@professorhal8098]

Darn thought i was gonna sub for a sec

[@gusteen3292]

7:05 Actually it was quite common for Kartana to use Breakneck Blitz, by using Normalium Z on Giga Impact Kartana is able to create a powerful nuke of a move to bust past a wall.

[@Musasensei1674]

yeah,mostly defensive zapdos

[@N12015]

@@Musasensei1674 And same for Excadrill

[@Moonstriker2514]

You didn't mention Mega Kangaskan and its absurd dominance in gen 6

[@thatman666]

Yet it was only the baby that Mega Evolved and not the mother.

[@yungmuney5903]

Probably because it's an op pokemon DESPITE it's normal typing.

[@janithernest3929]

It's crazy they kept the normal gem despite getting rid of the other ones

[@thatman666]

Normal doesn’t mean weak.

[@aaronwishard7093]

​@@thatman666 But they literally got rid of the other 16! That'd be like them having, in Scarlet and Violet, a Gigantamax Snorlax, or a Mega Beedrill. And only one of those.

[@WhoElseButZane]

The vast majority of pokemon learn normal type moves so it's like giving every pokemon normal stab

[@WhoElseButZane]

​@thatman666 the fact that a normal type rat can learn thunder and surf without even having to be those types should tell you how cool normal types are. And sure a bunch of pokemon can learn type coverage moves but normal types tend to have a way more diverse move pool in regards to different types

[@robertlupa8273]

Normal can't be super-effective.

[@user-gt5dq1lm3q]

Plus there is also Wyrdeer and Ursaluna from Legends Arceus. Wyrdeer being another Normal/Psychic type that is immune to Ghost and neutral to Fighting, that can, as if SV, lower an opponent’s ATK with Intimidate while also raising it’s DEF with Psyshield Bash. As for Ursaluna, it is basically a tank with claws, especially when you take into account it’s access to Guts and Facade in Gen 9. Not to mention that it also has access to Play Rough as a counter to Fighting types.

[@BrendonCap]

Honestly, it doesnr need playrough. A guys boosted full power facade is enough to nuke any fighting type, including great tusk

[@goldenhydreigon4727]

But most important, Ursaluna gives us access to Eviolite Ursaring, who is probably gonna thrash the Lower Tiers

[@KuroBlitz]

My favourite Pokémon Type, Larry in SV truly embodies my spiritual self.

[@mazharsiddiqi7288]

Living like Larry

[@robertlupa8273]

@@mazharsiddiqi7288 Live and Larryn'

[@oscarzxn4067]

I feel the normal type being only resisted by 3 types isn't anything crazy, many other types also are resisted by around the same numer of types, like water, ghost, psychic or ground, among others.

[@benjaminschmitt1562]

I feel like Ursaluna is also a contender for a solid normal type. While I’m unconfident on the tier it will end up it, I do know that it will probably be the strongest guts user we’ve had in a while.

[@pokekidcyber]

With Gens 8 and 9 giving evolutions to several Normal types, hopefully other Pokémon with the same type can receive much needed buffs to become actual threats. Another good video as you can normally get from this channel.

[@VoermanIdiot]

Tera Normal 252 AT Zangoose Facade with Toxic Boost (triggered by toxic orb, obviously) can deal some absolutely hilarious damage. Just throwing that out there in hopes that maybe it'll be mentioned in the video.

[@mazharsiddiqi7288]

Imagine with a Guts boost as well

[@aetherius6221]

​@@mazharsiddiqi7288 toxic boost is just guts specific to toxic instead of psn, brn or prlz. It's objectively worse because way more chip unfortunately.

[@darrellsimon4462]

​@Aetherius it would be nice if they body toxic boost

[@nunyabiznes33]

​@@aetherius6221 don't Toxic Boost reduce toxic damage into regular poisoning?

[@saltinefromindiana]

Yes cows can drink their own milk. But nine times out of ten, if you see a cow with its udder in its mouth, it's probably checking to see if something is wrong under there or if they think something is wrong. Hope it helps 👍

[@yesnt8907]

*The thing I like about this KZbinr is that he is welcoming and lets us come inside him*

[@robertlupa8273]

_"and lets us come inside him"_ Uh, phrasing?

[@Mrdonjuliothewicked]

He lets us WHAT?

[@Emily-lh6em]

Wut 😅

[@zinniaq3020]

Is it bad if I want it the other way around?

[@youtubestudiosucks978]

It's 2023, everything is digital nowadays

[@MagusAgrippa8]

Even if it has gotten so much weaker, I still find myself really liking the Normal Type. They usually have insanely diverse movepools and a lot of fun tricks you can mess around with. I'm just mostly annoyed they got rid of Return. It was one of my favorite moves and it was great neutral coverage for so much. Easily one of the best STAB moves for a Normal Type, too.

[@nunyabiznes33]

Only played till Gen 5. They got rid of Return and Frustration? That's crazy? Did they just removed the TM (can still be learned by level up by some) or they completely erased it from existence?

[@notshockwavedemon7543]

They erased Return and Frustration in Gen 8

[@MagusAgrippa8]

@@nunyabiznes33 As the other person said, it was part of the moves cut from Gen 8. A lot of redundant moves were removed, as well as signature moves for Pokémon lines not compatible with the Gen 8 games.

[@nunyabiznes33]

@@notshockwavedemon7543 crazy considering those 2 represent using the bond (or distrust) between trainer and Pokemon. I've heard about Scald being changed to a signature move but at least that's understandable but there's little excuse for removing Return.

[@notshockwavedemon7543]

@@nunyabiznes33 Yeah. Scald became a Signature Move of Volcanion starting Gen 9

[@tktyga77]

Also a fun fact is that they & many Fairy types (including ones retconned from Normal to Fairy) often both have big movepools & are in the Fast exp growth group. Fathom how well they could do in the Inverse Battle settings and/or if such could be brought in some form, competitive or otherwise

[@wentoneisendon6502]

I find it fascinating that the discovery of normal types being immune to paralysis from body slam was only discovered in 2014

[@Diembee]

Many in the RBY community would actually argue that Normal is a better type than psychic in Gen 1. Really the only reliable checks outside of the big 3 consist of Gengar, Rhydon, and Golem, the latter two of which get obliterated by 4 times weaknesses to water and grass as well as an ice weakness which in Gen 1 normal types is a dime a dozen offensive type. Not only was Hyper Beam a terrible threat, but Body slam was considered one of the best most spammable moves in the game as well due to its high damage and paralysis chance. As previously mentioned, most threatening normals had massive move pools including the valuable Blizzard, which as per Gen 1’s mechanics, was essentially a sheer cold followed by a 90% accurate ice attack wrapped into one move.

[@joenoah2563]

3:51 it wasn’t one of the most dominant Pokémon in the meta game, it was THE most dominant Pokémon in the meta game without question and at one point was ranked higher then mew and mewtwo in Ubers. It is described as the MOST broken Pokémon ever allowed to stay in OU

[@giboit.]

Some people like to claim that the normal type is essentially the "sound type" which to me is complete nonsense. If anything, I´d argue that the normal type is the type used to represent creatures, objects and concepts that are extremely abundant/prominent around the world. You could classify them more or less like this: "Pokemon that are normal type because they´re extremely common in many parts of the world" (like rats, birds, horses, cows, rabbits, cats and dogs)". "Pokemon that are normal type because of the things they do (or the concept related to what they do) are extremely common" . Like eating, sleeping, having rivalries/natural enemies (zangoose), dancing and singing (meloetta and jigglypuff line), being unable to swim (azurril), digging (diggersby). cleaning (cinccino), motherhood (kanghaskan and the blissey line), being a grandfather (drampa), taking care of injured people (again Blissey´s line), safety measures (like watchog and sentret that is a scout). "Pokemon that are normal type because they´re based on things commonly used by humans". Like toys, costumes, things to sleep well, energy sources (stufful, bewear, skitty, delcatty, helioptile, minccino, etc). "Pokemon that are normal type because they represent something related to one of the five senses". Like watchog and sentret again (good sight), audino (good hearing), Exploud (loud noises), aipom and ambipom (tact), Lickitung and Lickylicky (taste), etc. "Pokemon that are normal type because they represent something commonly accepted by humans as a truth or things that are related to the world itself". Like weather (castform), metamorphosis (ditto), evolution (eevee), gods/religion (arceus), terraformation/movement of the continents (regigigas), year seasons (deerling line), aging (slakoth line,) day and nigh cicle (drampa again), technological advancements (porygon line), etc. If you look well, basically all normal type pokemon fit in one or more of these four categories, which are all based on things/concepts that are present/prominent in many parts of the world.

[@aQrator]

For gen 1, I've even seen the argiment thrown around that Normal is better that Psychic. Whether or not I believe it I'm still not sure about, but the fact it is as close as it is goes to show the sheer power of Normal types in gen 1.

[@matthewkuscienko4616]

Personally, I would rate the normal type better than psychic in gen1 overall for 3 main reasons: 1) Hyper Beam could pretty much be tossed onto anything with a good attack stat since it's recharge turn wasn't mandatory until gen2, so long as you knock out something with it. 2) The 3 normal types mentioned in the video in Chansey, Snorlax and Tauros weren't JUST top-tier OU Pokemon in gen1, they were the 3 BEST Pokemon in the tier, and people who play gen1 competitively will often tell you that all 3 are mandatory for your team. That's not to say psychic wasn't good, or even bad by comparison by any stretch, but psychic was also proped up by Mewtwo being the single most powerful Pokemon in the whole game, and with it being banned to the Ubers tier for how overpowered it was; this colored the perception players had of the type, even if it was primarily because they were looking at what it was capable of when talking about the best Pokemon the type had to offer. 3) Normal types having good movepools compared to most other Pokemon of other types also is a big selling point in the type's favor. It's also worth mentioning that even though they didn't have as much special as Chansey did in gen1, Tauros and Snorlax still regularly used special attacks, with the former using them to supplement it's coverage against other Pokemon, while the latter could actually go full special attacker with access to amnesia occasionally.

[@singingcrow439]

Ursaluna has also made a massive impact upon release too, having the strongest facade in the game and an incredibly secondary stab in ground.

[@bulborb8756]

plus having a monster of an atk stat and having very good bulk too, on top of being just the best offensive choice for trick room teams

[@Castersvarog]

One interesting thing I can’t help but notice is that despite the growing prevalence of Ghost types, Normal types aren’t growing in prevalence as well what with their powerful immunity to the type and Dark type coverage. Though this is most definitely because fighting is also prevalent keeping the Notmal type from backing big waves.

[@andrewharris1344]

True but also the ghost types nowadays don’t need to only rely on ghost moves plus some of them learn fighting moves or just have busted stats.

[@bacd-nn2lg]

Just wait for the Smeargle return to the mainline pokemon games in the dlc.😈

[@nishant9289]

That would be the second worst case of a Pokémon returning in a generation it should not, only behind nincada.

[@YermTerragon]

I think the stigma surrounding normal types mainly comes from how the games present the typing system to the player. The starters are a type triangle and then all the gyms focus on one specific type. It is generally perceived that type matchups are the biggest key element to pokemon battling. Normal types have basically no advantages, and the most prevalent examples of normal type pokemon are the rodents you find on route 1 and replace as soon as you can

[@cubedmelons876]

I'd say GSC showcased the type best by giving you a free level 50 Snorlax right after Lance. It's overlevelled at that point, and it's gen 2 Snorlax, so it's perfect to put onto your team to fight Red (who also has an annoying Snorlax). There's also Whitney terrorizing all the noobs with her Miltank.

[@samuelline9573]

My favorite type finally gets some recognition

[@vincenthall5908]

Normal type: actually amazing cuz ghost cant hit them, and their only weakness being fighting (which few trainers use)

[@ShayTheValiant]

1:49 It actually is supposed to be pronounced fa-ri-gha-raf because that's how it was said in its reveal trailer, but pretty much everyone else collectively agreed to pronounce it fa-ri-ja-raf instead.

[@Dinobolt1]

In Gens 1 and 2 I chose a Snorlax and a Furret for my A teams teaching them both Shadow Ball. They did great against Ghost types that were unable to hit them with attacks of their own type but Shadow Ball was super effective on them. Now I'm Playing Shield, and the only normal on my team is a Zigzagoon but even that's a normal/dark combo.

[@imnotahumanimamoron42069]

In firered I had done a run with some things I almost never used, raticate was one of those and while fighting the elite four it seemed op. And keeping in mind this is when i was younger and i was barely any levels higher than them, i remember for an unusual team and a starter, using raticate, primeape and dugtrio but i still most of all remember using raticate.

[@a-bomb777]

1:51 no, you said it right

[@YungBaymax]

Surprised you did not mention Mega Kangaskhan in Gen 6, as it was arguably the most broken Mega pokemon back then (aside from Rayquaza)

[@bdt2002gaming]

Mega Gengar would like to know your location

[@castform7]

Normal kinda like the Mario of Pokemon types. Jack of all trades, master of none. For every stregnth, there's somewhat of a caveat. It's sort of the middle ground of the types and I can appreciate that.

[@ClefairyFairySnowflake]

I love the normal type! It's one of, if not, my most favorite type. I am a big fan of normal! Nice, and normal. 😊

[@LaySuperMarioLover]

I have a Furfrou in my copy of X version as my Ace, and it being a Normal type, it isn't affected by Ghost types. However it learns Bite naturally, and Bite being a Dark type attack since Gen 2, it hits Ghost types super-effectively, so Furfrou does have a great tool to deal with opposing Ghost types. The only drawback is that Bite is a Physical attack, so you should watch out for Abilities like Flame Body, Static and the likes.

[@labbecedario1579]

I learned to appreciate more and more the pure normal type: I restarted Crystal just in order to use Teddiursa/Ursaring for almost the entire game (It's obtenable before the second gym), and It was amazing with just return!

[@darktemplar446]

You should do one about the rise of the bug type and how they got better as more gens got released. Up til modern day when we have CC scizor and Tera bug Iron Thorns. Just an idea.

[@bulborb8756]

tbh gen's 1-4 would be uneventful really, since gen 5 is when bug REALLY started to take off, since thats the gen that gave the type a massive buff. and yeah it would be interesting to see in general, plus seeing venomoth go from being bad, to eventually becoming a mini volcarona in the lower tiers all thanks to quiver dance and it's type combo just getting better with time

[@JustaGr8GuyHere]

Hearing the Future Redeemed music in the video and all I can think now is “DOUBLE SPINNING EDGE! DOUBLE SPINNING EDGE!”

[@TheHortoncrow]

Normal has always been my favorite type since gen 1 when I got 2 snorlax. I built an all normal team, and head cannon was a normal type gym leader.

[@HatsuneChiYu]

watching in 2x speed so I can enjoy good content and go back to Zelda as fast as possible

[@JPRPokeTrainer98]

honestly not even mad

[@LegendaryCaptain]

I wouldn't be surprised if Psychic is one you're planning on doing next considering we all know how it got nerfed but another aspect I'd like to mention is how Psychic 3 weaknesses actually got better due to more pokemon esecially in gens 5 and 9, better moves including the go to pivot move U-Turn, and physical special split which really helped ghost and dark and indirectly this stuff nerfed Psychic even more

[@obitouchiha6439]

I really like the Ghost/Normal type combination. Hisuian Zoroark Reminds me of Ichigo Kurosaki's Zanpakutō, Zangetsu. The color schemes and also the fact that Zangetsu is a spirit who has the Null elemental affinity.

[@5Porygon]

Thank you so much for all videos you made. You are one of my absolutely best youtubers ever. :) Jsi borec. Mám moc rád tvojí tvorbu.

[@Nosretep]

Stoutland Greedent Diggersby Bewear Ursaluna Porygon-Z Meloetta Arceus H-Zoroark Indeedee Staraptor Mega Lopunny Silvally Type:Null & Ursarang(Eviolite)

[@mazharsiddiqi7288]

Awesome video Congrats again on 200k subscribers Great to see Normal types get there due credit

[@AdminAbuse]

Their

[@ExistingKirb]

I’m here to give a Gen 9 honorable mention to my man Squawkabilly for being a *surprisingly* competent Guts/Hustle sweeper with Quick Attack, Facade, and Brave Bird. It’s even got Parting Shot for a nice pivot move to mess with your opponent.

[@jonglejuice]

Love that you’re always using xenoblade music

[@willjoyce5013]

Snorlax shooting Hyper Beams out of its eyes is still pretty freaky lol

[@goldenhydreigon4727]

With Weezing now having returned in the Teal Mask, Slaking is gonna wreak HAVOC on VGC

[@_Rhatsody]

breakneck blitz was actually used in competitive singles to hit walls in gen 7 that you dont wanna hit physically like static ability zapdos so yeah

[@shadowtitanx3962]

But, that's only for stuff like Kartana and Excadrill. Normal type offensively in the higher tiers is pointless in Gen 7 other than EKiller Arceus.

[@MidoriOfTheShuinsen]

I play your videos at full volume at home even when my family is asleep because we weren't idiots and made sure our house didn't have walls made of paper maché amd chewing gum

[@laravioliiii2832]

I love the normal type, because for a pure normal type, you can just get a rodent or a common pokemon, but (Unlike a certain avian type) to combine it with another type, you have to get creative, because you basically have to put a limit on the coolness/cuteness.

[@crimsonmaelstrom573]

Before the splitting of physical and special moves, Normal was feared because of Hyper Beam. After Sinnoh, Normal types just weren’t as powerful without the insane Hyper Beams

[@WhoElseButZane]

Normal types have always been my favorite

[@patrickburton1401]

fighting coverage went from low BP moves on fighting types, to everything and everyone getting access to close combat.

[@lthefifteenth661]

Fun Fact, the left hand art in the thumb nail belongs to one of the most meme worthy decks of Pokemon in the Gen 5 tcg

[@togarashi6437]

"Not using Snorlax in Gen 2 isn't being creative, it's asking to lose." - Some comment I found on a video. (not word to word) I just forgot which one it was.

[@ericawhite2723]

I'm surprised Mega Kangaskhan wasn't mentioned even though Mega Lopunny was mentioned for Gen 6... After all it created havoc in VGC for a while 👀..

[@Vikculp]

Congrats Man on 200K

[@Kenijamaru]

Normal type is my fav type. and during SUN and Moon it was BEAST and do u guys wanna know why? Eviolite Type Null, nerfed in USUM I think and 100% nerfed after swsh

[@AHomelessShoe]

I would say one fun thing they could do is make normal super effective against fairy.

[@TheMNHShow]

What is swift as a move? What are those stars? Why the stars?

[@gator-tater9827]

Honestly, leaving Mew and Mewtwo aside, most believe that Normal was THE best type in Gen 1. The Big 3 Normals are all but required on every team, and there’s a significant gap between Chansey and the fourth place mon, Starmie. Also, Gen 2 Blissey is significantly worse than Gen 1 Chansey because Gen 1 Chansey has 105 Sp Atk.

[@StickMaster500]

It’s all normal until they throw in the most strongest moves and Pokémon in the game

[@9sayaka280]

would love to see videos like this for every type!

[@maganhassan2627]

Is dynamic punch bad? I like it over close combat sometimes

[@shadowtitanx3962]

It's only on Machamp or Golurk with No Guard. It was used in Gen 2 metagames where Snorlax and other Fighting weak opponents exist.

[@bulborb8756]

yes dynamic punch is bad as it's got horrendous accuracy, and as shadow here stated: only No Guard mons like machamp can use the move effectively as no guard bypasses the moves abysmal 50% accuracy

[@StateBlaze1989]

The official reveal trailer for farigiraf pronounced it with the hard 'g' , so you were correct the first time.

[@shadowdecidueye]

Hah, I REWINDED when you told me to sub, jokes on you now you have to me 😁

[@Keng04T]

Poliwhirl and wrath not having mouths bother me even though I know it’s their intestines the water comes from

[@NinjaKingAce]

I kept waiting for the "downfall" mentioned in the title

[@robertlupa8273]

14:04 Larry has a Dudunsparce?! That makes for *two* major trainers who have this abomination! Gotta find what's the best Fighting type once I decide to play SV.

[@bulborb8756]

to be fair, there's a lot of good fighting options in gen 9: annihilape, quaquaval, flamigo, hawlucha, hariyama, lucario, heracross, falinks, great tusk, breloom, tauros, seriously your not short on options here when it comes to fighting types in Paldea

[@yoshi8397]

They call them normal, but they're truly anything but

[@Jw87563]

4:45 Does Blaziken also get Hi Jump Kick?

[@goGothitaLOL]

Ursaluna is gonna be busted............whenever HOME S/V update arrives

[@Cool_Kid95]

Can’t believe he changed the title and thumbnail from Positive to negative

[@frasergibson5763]

I wish Normal type moves would be super effective against something. That’s the whole reason I don’t teach them to my Pokémon

[@Keng04T]

2:15 lol Persian is so dramatic

[@mushroomdude123]

Normal's biggest weakness is that it has no strengths.

[@Wolfie54545]

Many normal types can learn a vast variety of types of moves. They can save you if you don’t have space in your team.

[@bulborb8756]

Normal as a type will always be one I see as a "jack-of-all-trades" due to how balanced the type is, what it lacks in 0 super effective damage it makes up for in spades with diverse move pools and having some pretty durable tanks like snorlax, the type itself is far from being bad (unlike grass, poison, bug and ice who are all...terrible)

[@THELIFEOFVIEWS1]

Aipom is my favorite Pokémon first Pokémon I ever caught

[@wavestrider2160]

"Z moves doesnt do anything for normal type" *cough in ghost conversion porygon z*

[@Sleepingfishie]

Bring back non recharging hyper beam

[@bulborb8756]

HA! no

[@logo050400]

What's up JPR

[@AerWhoSometimesUploads]

I don’t think normal is anyone’s favourite type, although normal does house my favourite Pokémon (Snorlax) so I have an affinity to it.

[@MiMi-Elona]

You didnt explain the gen 3 swellow guts facade.....combo

[@dbzmaster1213]

I would sell my soul for a Diggersby with Huge Power

[@Juanksz]

juanks

[@BrightofNight]

Damn this videos music is making me feel full of beans

[@GravityIsFalling]

Gen 9 best is definitely mouse, friend guard + power mons = insane

[@trollcreativestudios1084]

"can cows drink their own milk" mammals-

[@celestialm3909]

As someone who's just completed a normalocke in Paldea, normies? Yeah, still great. And the amount of dual types they have now makes everything way more viable. :D I have wayyyy more respect for Pyroar than I used to have lmao

[@samcortez420]

Could you imagine a Snorlax evolution, now that would be crazy

[@Moonstriker2514]

Eviolite snorlax are you crazy

[@williambrinkmeier1772]

Bufflax

[@wingofshu]

The bad face looks like snorlax liquid sharted

[@aureliamastergoomba1278]

7:06 ... *Raises hand*

[@fictionfan0]

Normal is actually my favorite type, so I appreciate this more positive take.

[@shadowmarauder6033]

Something that I'm always puzzled by is the inclusion of pokemon in the normal type that most definitely are anything but: Porygon, Arceus, Silvally, Spinda, and many, many more. I think TPC and Nintendo should've made these pokemon of other typings or of the ??? type, especially the legendaries.

[@bulborb8756]

tbh in the case of arceus and silvally since they can be all types, normal just makes the most sense, porygon idk, and as for Spinda....well Spinda is just drunk

[@user-jl7cz2pe6d]

Did you change the title?

[@Elynescence]

Normal > Psychic in gen 1 even. Aside from mewtu and mew, the best pokemon in the game were normal types. Chansey, snorlax and Tauros would always beat alakazam easily

[@TheDeathmail]

Technically, in Gen 2, Chansey got weaker... by a lot.... Blissey is inferior to Gen 1 Chansey... just because of how high Chansey's Sp.Atk was...

[@TheDeathmail]

Pokemon with good stats being strong is normal... Pokemon with good abilities being strong is normal... Pokemon with weak stats and bad abilities being weak is also normal... Everything about the normal type is normal...

[@AdminAbuse]

H Zoroark doesn't wreak havoc in the meta, it's not even legal as of now. Singles/Showdown is not an official series

[@dispentryporter8621]

Yeah, plenty of games have unofficial leagues that people still care about due to lack of official support. Smogon singles is the best we have for competitive singles, and it's much, much older than VGC, so people still care about it.