The DOWNFALL of TMNT 2012!

[@AskAir]

Thanks for watching! What do YOU think of TMNT 2012?

[@praisethesun95]

Best TMNT series so far

[@dee_torch5]

@@praisethesun95facts

[@gavinsiville9969]

I remember watching this show when I was very little, but looking back I gotta say it’s really not that good.

[@dee_torch5]

@@gavinsiville9969 damm that’s crazy

[@gavinsiville9969]

Yeah man. I remember the episode where the turtles were attacked by April’s mother who was actually some lovecraftian monster and the episode where the Krang’s invaded earth.

[@hattoripool1533]

To this day I still wonder what happened to all the past Turtles that went into Space (I feel like the present Turtles basically replacing them should have had some repercussions in the future. There is actually a fanfic that explores this). Also what happened to Timothy?

[@AskAir]

I wonder the same things!

[@Vergileditz]

I'm pretty sure the past turtles went back I'm time just like the present turtles to stop earth from being destroyed again, because without the help of the their other selves they fail

[@ΧρήστοςΚάνδραλης]

Me to

[@osk1423]

In "Carmageddon" episode in s5 you can actually see sth similar to Timothy's container at the bottom of the water, which can tell us that Donnie didn't rescue him and he stayed freeze forever...

[@unripetheberrby6283]

Do you know the fanfic's name please?

[@Maswartz226]

Honestly my biggest issue with this series is Donnie's obsession with April. It could have been a great story where Splinter saw one of his sons becoming the crazed stalker like Shredder was but nope, they treat it as a joke.

[@JamesHowlett-qy3yq]

@@Maswartz226 come on man. Whats so serious about it?it was a joke from the beginning a running gag

[@Scrimmers]

@@JamesHowlett-qy3yq Because it ended up harming 3 different characters. Donnie for nearly 3 seasons straight was crushing over April to an inappropriate level to the point he would stalk her and memorize her exact coordinates. Now it's not like it's this disgusting vile thing that Donnie ended gaining a crush on April, he's a teenage boy who's been isolated from the entire world his whole life so it makes sense that he would gain a crush on the first girl he meets.If this was just simple crush like "she's so pretty:)" kinda like how it was with Mikey in 90's movies this would be okay, but it's not as I just explained earlier. April on the other hand is just a mess of character in this show. The writers couldn't really decided how they wanted her to respond to Donnie's crush, sometimes she appear's uncomfortable with Donnie's obsession with her but doesn't wanna tell cause she doesn't want to hurt his feelings (this being shown in the season 2 finale), but other times she appears fine with it and likes it (the most notorious example of this being the shitfest that was a foot to big).Not to mention she has no other significant bonds with the turtles besides Donnie because the writers were to busy playing the world's most annoying game of "will they won't they" with Donnie, April,and Casey. The two never get proper closure as she just unexpectedly kisses Donnie at the end of a foot too big and they LITERALLY never address this ever again. Now Casey is quite literally a nothing burger in this show. Yeah he's a fun and silly guy but that's as far as he goes.Not even five episodes after his appearance he gets dragged into a love triangle because Donnie spots Casey and April hanging out a PARK of all places and he decides that Casey is a threat to him and April's relationship despite the fact he had no context at all who he is to April. We never get any depth to him, hell we couldn't even at least have an episode where we meet the supposed little sister he cares so much about. He just stays a joke character for the entire show with little complexity whatsoever. This subplot never gained any proper conclusion and it clearly failed at being a joke cause speak to any 2012 fan today and they'll tell you about how damn annoying it was.

[@JamesHowlett-qy3yq]

@@Scrimmers because it was never a subplot. It was a running joke. You just took it seriously

[@Scrimmers]

@@JamesHowlett-qy3yq As I mentioned before if it was like something simple like it was in the 90's movies I wouldn't care but since they dragged out the joke to even get it's own episodes focused on it the whole thing just becomes annoying.The very least they could've done was give it a proper conclusion if they wanted to can it.

[@JamesHowlett-qy3yq]

@@Scrimmers then it wouldn’t be a running joke

[@Nahneezy]

There is no downfall to Tmnt 2012 we just got older and master splinter died💀

[@MilliMac.]

Exactly this guy is a goofy

[@bowserbreaker2515]

I like how this show felt like a long running story that really did have actual stakes and grew up with the audience. Things changed.

[@MilliMac.]

@@bowserbreaker2515 so nostalgic and such a great show decided to rewatch it this year definitely recommend 🙏🏽

[@ShockwaveFPSStudios]

That and Rise of the TMNT was already going to happen by the 2012 Ninja Turtles actually ended… so it’s not really a downfall and more so a tragedy.

[@bowserbreaker2515]

@@ShockwaveFPSStudios How is it a tragedy? The show ended on a high note.

[@ORB1424]

Personally, I like the slower pace of the show. I recently bought the complete sires DVD box and am rewatching seasons 3-5 for the first time in years, and from what I remember about the show its quality stayed pretty consistent throughout the whole thing, which is something other TMNT shows can't say.

[@ORB1424]

If you're not a huge fan of the later seasons tho that's fine.

[@ayyale_]

@@ORB1424I cannot get through season 5😅

[@rickyronny4019]

@@ORB1424idk I liked Season 3 and 4 a lot. Season 5 is fine

[@StevenJones851]

Seasons 1-4 are my favorite

[@Foxy-Mask_Menace]

I loved the series and also recently bought the complete series. But the last few episodes just weren't very good in my opinion :(

[@hattoripool1533]

I always wondered what Super Shredder would have looked like had Shredder not gotten impatient with the Mutagen

[@starnblack09]

Wdym

[@ybz4dappl]

@@starnblack09 stockman was attempting to fully stabilize the super mutagen, and as time went on shredder got impatient so he forced stockman to give him everything

[@starnblack09]

@ybz4dappl oh so the scene where he tells him do it

[@hattoripool1533]

@@ybz4dappl i always imagined had Shredder been patient he would have looked similar to the Super Shredder of the 90s tmnt games

[@ybz4dappl]

@@starnblack09 bingo

[@gavinsiville9969]

Donatello constantly trying to get with April to me is kinda annoying and creepy.

[@JamesHowlett-qy3yq]

From his perspective,its just an innocent love. Its not his fault that he is an humanoid turtle

[@JamesHowlett-qy3yq]

@Zap_Master99 you know they have to make it different somehow. In fact April Didn't really play a big part in 2003 version,it was rather casey

[@gavinsiville9969]

Still, I view April as more of a sister to the turtles

[@LittleGoblinJR]

The creators confirmed that April x Donnie was never going to be a real thing either way.

[@gavinsiville9969]

Oh they did?

[@midnightfox3157]

I love the tmnt 2012 they’re certainly my fav version of the turtles I’ve ever seen no other turtles beats this for me

[@AoifeMcKay-wc2uv]

Same dude same

[@simplycloud_]

real nothing can replace it

[@ForrestFox626]

Eh

[@oldman5247]

This show didn’t really have a downfall. As much as it just became more mediocre. Season 5 was hit or miss to be completely honest. However, I can say this though about TMNT 2012. At least it didn’t drop in quality as hard as the 2003 show did. The 2003 show is still my favorite version of TMNT. Yet, I can’t really deny the egregious drop of quality. Between seasons 5 and 6.

[@rickyronny4019]

Yeah. I like 2003 series but I agree

[@lylelylecrocodile2538]

When season 5 hit, it hit hard, but when it didn't, it was extremely boring

[@rickyronny4019]

@@lylelylecrocodile2538 fair

[@ashhabimran239]

It's crazy how that show is still remembered fondly despite the drop in quality in later seasons. If it was released in modern day, people would remember it ONLY for the drop in quality

[@jeremystewart1022]

​@lylelylecrocodile2538 well just consider season 5 like an epilogue which it really is

[@d4red3v1l8]

11:48 Honestly Leo’s voice changing makes sense if they wanted them to keep aging up, and it makes sense because he got hurt.

[@austinmcneil8775]

I love the 2003 and 2012 turtles.

[@KairaSuperSayan93]

I always liked the Seth Green voice work for Leonardo

[@micahmx6002]

Not gonna lie going too much of this review is "why not just do with the 2003 show did" or "the 2003 show is better". Talk about your criticisms of the show on its own merits and demerits and not comparing it to some previous version that you like, that's not exactly a good way of reviewing, if reviewing at all

[@rickyronny4019]

Exactly. You can’t criticize one adaptation for not doing exactly what its predecessor did. Adaptations are meant to be different and many changes are intentional.

[@LingeringWont]

@@rickyronny4019if only the ATLA fanbase could see this with the Netflix series

[@rickyronny4019]

@@LingeringWont I guess but that’s a bit different since it’s seems more like a live action remake imo

[@StevenJones851]

Yeah he needed to review this better

[@rickyronny4019]

@@StevenJones851 and he needs to watch the entire thing, doesn’t matter how “boring” some plot lines are; if you want to make a proper review you gotta watch the show from start to finish

[@doczirebeka8312]

I personally love the fact that I can biologically explain the white eyes. We see how Leatherhead's eyes turn green when he looses control. I think the green cover on his eyes is the same protection what the turtles get with the white eyes.

[@juicebox7372]

I love this, it is now my headcannon and will be true forever

[@doczirebeka8312]

@@juicebox7372 Oh, thank you! 😄 This basically never happens, but I love it that someone took my idea as a head canon! 🤩 If you want to see more turtle-like behaviour from the turtles (but within ROTTMNT) there's a fanfic on KZbin what is all finished, called Cassapocalypse, and there, the turtles have more turtle - like features! They all can make their own unique sounds what their own species can make, and I love how that creator thought of their turtle-ish side! 😁 The turtles were always depicted as more like teenagers rather than animals, but they are, in fact, mutated animals. I think the TMNT series makers always left out this part of them, because I would love to see a version of the boys who look a bit more animalistic, like having tails for example, or to make more turtle noises. I swear, hearing Leo chirp like a little turtle was the cutest thing ever!

[@COELACANTHofficial]

For many years, I really thought the apocalypse arc was the final one of the series. When I was younger, I only thought the episodes that came after it were re-runs. I only recently found out that this wasn't true. I wasn't a fan of the apocalypse arc as a kid, and I still remain that way, but the final nod to Eastman and Laird would have been the perfect end to the series.

[@jackhurston667]

Great video man! Loved it all the way thru! 🔥

[@ayyale_]

I like how Leo’s katanas changed in season 5 thought it’s showing that he’s growing up to be a good sensei for his brothers.

[@An0nym0usM_0]

Fun fact: thoes are the same katanas Splinter used during the season 4 finale

[@Mister_Don888]

Except he only used them for his solo look

[@comicbookking3446]

A few questions - what do you think of Tiger Claw in this show ? - What’s wrong with Bebop and Rocksteady in this show ? - what do you think of Josh Peck as a voice actor despite you not being a fan of his performance as Casey Jones ?

[@gavinsiville9969]

I kinda liked Rocksteady’s design in this show. I think he looks rad with those golden spikes and I love that Russian accent. Bebop’s design is fine, I do like those purple glasses and Mohawk tho.

[@AskAir]

@@comicbookking3446 I like Tigerclaw. Probably the best of Shredders sidekicks. Bebop and Rocksteady were overused and unfunny for the most part. They had some good appearances though. As much as I hate Casey's voice, I like Josh Peck's performances in other things.

[@IIIISai]

@@AskAir eh i think bepop was fine, xever was wasted

[@rickyronny4019]

@@AskAirdamn. I personality prefer these versions of Bebop and Rocksteady. They’re actually competent and powerful enemies to the Turtles but they’re still goofy and wacky

[@COELACANTHofficial]

​@@IIIISaiXever was so wasted. He had significant potential.

[@TheRealAlienX]

Babe wake up A.S.K. Air dropped a banger

[@zeospark9715]

One thing I was disappointed they never did was having Donnie cure Timothy. Like he was already able to make Retromutagen and kept saying how he was going to cure Timothy, but he never did. It's baffling since Donnie keeps him in his room/lab in a constant frozen state so I don't know how he'd forget.

[@jamestolbert1856]

I REALLY don’t like that this Leo is hitting on his sister, Karai. I don’t care if they’re adopted. You don’t do that to your own dad’s daughter!!

[@jamestolbert1856]

And they never confront them on this

[@chesterfaust754]

Bro Leo didn't know they are not blood related And it's a joke

[@jamestolbert1856]

@@chesterfaust754 but then he did and he still kept hitting on her

[@chesterfaust754]

@@jamestolbert1856 it's a joke and she likes him back (I think)

[@jamestolbert1856]

@@chesterfaust754 no she doesn’t and I’m sick of this joke being overused.

[@moussacamara0614]

Am I the only who had a crush on Karai in this series

[@ashesGeek]

I know it's subjective, but 2012 Karai is probably the most beautiful of them all with 2007 Karai coming right close to her. Rise Karai is quite a beauty too.

[@shanecorcoran2542]

Nope, pretty sure she was my first cartoon crush

[@catrakitten]

@moussacamara909 You're not. Karai was one of my one of my bi awakenings along with Jasmine, Esmeralda, Zuko, Katara, Mai, Suki, June, Korra, Mako, Asami, Hawkgirl, Black Canary, Huntress, Mercy Graves, Shadow the Hedgehog, Sonic the Hedgehog, Sally Acorn, Infinite, Batgirl (Barbara Gordon), Robin, Raven, Starfire, Slade, Madame Rouge, Catra, Adora, etc

[@IIIISai]

Lol

[@FormalFilmsProductions]

Lol

[@NoCreepersPeepers]

The downfall between the tmnt 2012 is unbelievable. Noting bad happened to it.

[@rickyronny4019]

What downfall? Lol. 2012 never had a legitimate downfall. Season 5 was basically just an extra season of filler. The show was meant to end after the fourth season, Nickelodeon just preferred a fifth season. Season 5’s is not bad but it has different adventures rather than having an ongoing narrative. That’s why it’s called “Tales of the TMNT”

[@ghostthug4846]

Cool never knew that

[@rickyronny4019]

@@ghostthug4846 yeah that’s why season 5 doesn’t have any narrative continuity of the past seasons

[@EisaAkhtar-p4h]

Completely agree with you, this is what I have also been saying.

[@ForrestFox626]

I thought season 4 was kind of overrated

[@joshmullins3044]

This show literally made my childhood, so I have a lot of love for it. With that said, I’m willing to admit that by season 5 the show took a dip in quality compared to its early days. It just felt like a convoluted version of what it originally was.

[@pepitopacquiao]

I think this show was underrated at the time because, many people, at the time, were talking about adventure time, gravity falls, rick and morty, gumball, star vs the forces of evil, regular show, etc.

[@ThatsJustLikeYourOpinionMan]

Bro, I'm so old I watched the 80s cartoon as a kid lol

[@betterhomescontractors]

I swear Mikey was the best character but the amount of times he was about to die was... just a shame.

[@RevolutionaryUsername]

Bro worried about the wrong downfall

[@log111-nb7me]

I never liked the Space episodes but that's just me.

[@ededdneddy18]

TMNT 2012 is the goat & Leo

[@ashhabimran239]

Fr

[@ForrestFox626]

Sure

[@MatteoBartholin-zq9ih]

Put the fries in the bag

[@RamdomWalker_710]

How much I loved this cartoon, I couldn't finish it couse here in italy they stopped to show it, don't know why

[@LeopardPizzapizza-cg6bs]

30:09-30:46 lmao brother numbers wise this is not a “downfall.” the show ratings went down because they barely aired the show, the shows story driven so new people or people who don’t keep up with the inconsistent schedule probably won’t watch much, a lot of episodes went on the nick site or got leaked in different countries and online, cable died down, the shows format and title changed, and the last season aired on a difference channel. Despite all of that the show still basically got a million views per episode only dipping to like 900k lmao. Besides from the show itself it stayed relevant having a massively popular mobile game tmnt legends, stayed consistent numbers wise on TikTok and yt, became one of the most popular animated kids shows on Netflix, and the new tmnt channel has a video of 2012 gaining 50 million views 💀 for the actual show quality part u just continue to repeat arguments that u never back up the video and have no objectivity but how are the main characters flanderised? Showing a part of raph angry isn’t enough especially when in the arc and season ur showing raph gets the most character he’s ever had. Also how is the tone inconsistent. Is adventure time and gravity falls inconsistent?

[@spinballproduction9678]

I agree with this comment. Another thing to bring is that the show didn’t get cancelled it ended. I’m sure it could have went for 6 or 7 seasons but they just wanted to stop at 5 and originally wanted 4. Him saying that it didn’t get more because of “seasonal rot” is incorrect. I think I kind’ve understand the flanderization part. After season 1 (my favorite season) a lot of episodes are spent repeating development for the turtles. Like for example season 4 episode 18 where Raph’s whole deal in that episode feels like it’s been taken care of of 3 or 4 times at this point. It’d be great for season 1 but it’s just not very engaging to me at season 4. Though in this case it’s better to say that some of the characters lack development not that they’re being flanderised. Also yeah I never really get the inconsistent tone critique a lot of the time. I don’t see why a show can’t be sometimes serious and sometimes funny. 2003 always gets characterized as the dark one but that show has comedic moments even in some of it’s dark and intense moments. I didn’t even get his complaint with the filler episodes as 2003 has a lot of filler or at least episodes that are less important than others.

[@ayyale_]

The show had many cancelled plans wdym look it up😂

[@spinballproduction9678]

@@ayyale_ i’ve tried searching and can’t find anything for plans for future seasons besides fanon stuff.

[@Optimegatrongodzilla]

@AskAir 24:42-24:59. That's a really stupid complaint to have, especially since that sort of stuff has been part of the 'TMNT' property since the original comic books!

[@pepitopacquiao]

In 2012: THE WORST SHOW EVER! In 2017: THE BEST SHOW EVER! In 2024: THE WORST SHOW EVER! WTF Happened to the society?!

[@HelloSayEm6]

Tbf this is only one video. The 2012 series is still highly regarded. Even J's Reviews who grew up with 2003 did an entire retrospective on 2012 last year and honestly, his analysis of the show was far better and more objectively fair than this one.

[@AskAir]

WHO'S YOUR FAVORITE TURTLE? 🐢👇

[@jackhurston667]

Leonardo!

[@michelangelosplinterson]

Mikey 🟠🟠

[@log111-nb7me]

I love Raphy

[@TheRealAlienX]

I loved Donnie 🟪💜

[@TheTrumpNation]

Raphael

[@trashboat5388]

WTF do you mean down fall? The show ended it wasn't canceled

[@Arshia258]

2012 didn’t have a proper ending and why did they kill splinter after they brought him back just why? Also it seems that their skills never improve they struggle in fights a lot even in the last season

[@xoof24]

Skills didn't improve? Nah, they did for sure. They went from struggling with Bradford and xever in their human forms. To take them down in their mutant forms. And even taking down razar. And for other proof, they were nearly killed by the shredder. I'm his normal form, but then later, they had the ability to fight super shredder.

[@LegendXD00]

Agreed their skills were super inconsistent and beholden to the plot

[@jaynyethatmemeguy9384]

Something i want to mention is how much this show is milked on the Official Tmnt KZbin channel, to the literal point that clips from thw show are daily uploaded on it

[@Dumbo09]

Fr, any other iteration of the franchise is basically ignored on the channel that you would genuinely be surprised when they post something from rise or 87, I don’t think I ever seen them ever post 1 03 clip😭

[@jaynyethatmemeguy9384]

@@Dumbo09 like fr When they did the 40th anniversary shorts they left out a lot of iterations of the brothers They left out the 90s Trilogy, 07 movie, IDW comics (I think), and the Bay Movies (I don't blame them lol)

[@Dumbo09]

@@jaynyethatmemeguy9384 Honestly they basically ignore any movie adaptation of the turtles which frankly makes me sad it’s like there not even part of tmnt history even with there varying range of quality😞

[@EisaAkhtar-p4h]

That’s because it’s the best version.

[@Dumbo09]

@@EisaAkhtar-p4h it’s might be the best version to you personally (which is completely fine) but not so much to many others as we all have different preferences on what versions we enjoy.

[@Kitsunes_Stuff]

25:00 I honestly thing rottmnt got the magic element right.

[@ShirmaAkayaku]

Makes sense since it's established from the very first episode.

[@yapyapthedestroyer2562]

My favorite tmnt era and the one I grew up with. Never watched tales or whatever was going on for its final season, but did love the show and especially the death of shredder.

[@EisaAkhtar-p4h]

You should definitely watch Tales.

[@yapyapthedestroyer2562]

@@EisaAkhtar-p4h I’ll check it out

[@ashesGeek]

Ok, it's a good review, but a time for quite a number of disagreements: 1. While 2012 Casey becomes obnoxious and useless in the last seasons, but I'd say him having explosives, electric glove and overall is much more crafty than 03 series. If it wasn't for tiresome love triangle and being second comic relief he would've been the best version of Casey out there. I still enjoy him than 2003 one to be honest. 2. Disagree, I'd say 2012 Triceratons are not only much more dangerous than 03 ones but they also seem much smarter. I mean, despite all setbacks they still completed their mission while 2003 Triceratons were easily sabotaged by a bunch of rebels which made Zanramon look stupid. Also, David Tennant is the best Fugitoid ever, no debate, 2003 Fugitoid got nothing on him. 3. Nah, 2012 Bebop, Rocksteady, Renet and Savanti Romero are literally the best versions of these characters in the franchise. At least, they were actually presented as characters instead of cheap comic reliefs. 4. idk, having Turtles deal with magic and ancient stuff is awesome, it's just season 5 of 2003 series that screwed that topic with Turtles turning into dragons and the show relying too much on Shredder instead of creating original villian(which is why 2003 series screwed up Shredder the moment they revealed the first time to be an Utrom) Which is why I'd say 2012 Shredder is overall much better than 2003 one. No amount of abs on the armor or forced voice acting from Scottie Ray wouldn't save Shredder from being an edgy boring wooden plank, 2012 Shredder was just much more interesting to watch and unlike C'hrell he actually fought, a lot, and won most of the battles instead of being defeated by water tower or delusional Triceraton.

[@AskAir]

@@ashesGeek Wow, many great points here! Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment!

[@ArcTrooper269]

​@@AskAirnone of those were good, he is just a blind fanboy of this show who refuses to take any criticism You can tell because all of his arguments can be summarized in *THE ONE I LIKE IS BETTER THAN THE ONE THAT YOU LIKE*, which is honestly pathethic

[@ArcTrooper269]

Why do you hate so much TMNT 2003? The inmende flaws of the 2012 series are not his fault 🤐

[@iraford5788]

​@@ArcTrooper269Just because you disagree with his point doesn't make him a blind fanboy.

[@ArcTrooper269]

@@iraford5788 in the moment you insult SCOTTIE RAY'S PERFORMANCE, that's when you cross the line That's like saying Mark Hamill's joker sucks ONLY BECAUSE your favorite is Joaquín Phoenix

[@unripetheberrby6283]

Hey! I once watched another guys review if the show a couple years ago, and you said the same thing as him about the 'irony' of the theme song, pretty much the Same sentences(that's why it came back to me) lol! ...

[@endamcnabola]

I honestly despise how they practically used the Season 3's Farmhouse arc and Season 4's Space arc to simply prolong the Saving Karai arc, that's been happening since Season 2.

[@latviandragon2718]

cockroach terminator, was pretty good

[@shanecorcoran2542]

really great video! I think you made a lot of great points even if I don’t really agree with some of them. Some of them I think just come down to personal preference, or at least how I see it. The main one for me is your issue with the farmhouse arc. To me, I thought eight episodes was fine as it came as a breather after the bombshell that was The Invasion. I think we needed to see the characters take a step back and regroup. Admittedly, some of the episodes weren’t good (Bigfoot and Frogs mainly), but Vision Quest honestly makes it all worth it, that episode is so damn good. For me, it was actually the space arc that dragged on way too long and was the only time as a kid (until the monsters arc in Season 5) where I felt super uninvested in the show. Luckily I think the Super Shredder arc is one of the best the show has to offer, and was just so insane to watch live. Again, great video man

[@cam-edy1294]

More like the downfall of ask air

[@Darki3dumb]

Damn sad to know there was a downfall to my childhood show

[@EisaAkhtar-p4h]

There wasn’t, it gets better each season. This guys points are terrible and don’t make sense.

[@LegendXD00]

@Eisa You are in every thread hating this guy simply because he criticized something you worship. It’s not that deep

[@Darki3dumb]

@@LegendXD00yea it’s not that deep It’s a 12 year old show

[@-mjthecatdogfan-]

Idk why but I feel like Donatello would always be the tallest but younger than Leonardo and Raphael

[@kingstonbryant2009]

Also in the show when the turtles are in the dark there eyes turn it's a pretty cool detail

[@SegaMario]

TMNT 2012 was an awesome show - I didn't feel it was getting worse over time. I only wish it lasted just a bit longer to tie up plot points that were never resolved, like Mutagen Man being turned back into Timothy. That's just so depressing that never came to be, man.

[@pattymelt5825]

What are you on about? This show was amazing. By far my favorite version of the tmnt

[@IIIISai]

Only issue is donnies unresolved love, raphs anger control, mikeys focus, S tier otherwise

[@werecam56]

I hesitate to they this show had a "downfall" sure it had its flaws but I still think every season was worth watching and there was never a point where it was outright bad.

[@ahaha272]

I love season 1 and 2 but after s3 it becomes a bit all over the place, I especially hate the farmhouse arc not just bc it's slow and has a lot of filler, but also bc it contradicts the whole time passes faster in dimension X thing. 3 months is decades in dimension X yet they go back to New York and still haven't produced enough mutagen‼️ Also city at war was so disappointing

[@ayyale_]

Lowkey the animation quality after season 1 changes in a bad way😂

[@rickyronny4019]

@@ayyale_that is objectively wrong. This show gets much better animation over the seasons

[@franciso-y3241]

The Miyamoto usagi trilogy, turtle origins and mutant apocalypse were the highlights of season 5

[@sockjean2967]

I would love to see you make a video about rise of the tmnt

[@AskAir]

@@sockjean2967 I'm actually making a video rn comparing episodes of 2012 and Rise to see which is better!

[@LeopardPizzapizza-cg6bs]

Gonna be honest while I’m usually a fan of ur videos this video just isn’t anything and feels rushed. U realize not mentioning 90% of the content of the season and jumping around to point out things you personally find boring or bad without any connection or explanation isn’t a downfall right? Like every single point can literally be debunked in less then 1 minute, the filler argument no explanation and objectively not true, saying season 5 can only be enjoyed if u like those certain genres as if the show hasn’t dipped into all of those genres b4 and ppl can’t like different medias objectively untrue and no explanation, the show being obsessed with shipping no explanation for why that’s a problem or how it undermines the show besides from Donnie, saying aprils powers being nerfed in regular episodes is a plot hole no explanation and objectively untrue if u actually watch the show, comparisons between 03 once again no explanation and objectively untrue. Every other point in the video was again just nothing criticism calling characters and episodes bland and boring for no reason with no explanation. The only point is this video I can actually agree with is the point about Casey breaking the tone at the end but that’s pretty much it. Even if u were to say all these problems were true they still don’t compare to having 3 BACK TO BACK awful seasons like in 03 so idk why ur getting more mad in this video. U even admit to watching episodes while fast forwarding while showing one the most dark and interesting episodes of the show which is a huge problem when trying to a make a video essay lol.

[@samring2657]

I don’t know this guy but this is actually how the video was lol

[@rickyronny4019]

I honestly agree with you. This man’s take on 2012 didn’t hit for me at all. However 2003 Turtles did not have 3 bad seasons. Yeah BTTS wasn’t my favorite but it wasn’t bad

[@EisaAkhtar-p4h]

Agreed.

[@ashhabimran239]

Couldn't have said it better myself

[@LegendXD00]

I liked the video and thought it was great criticism

[@togashi-d4m]

Tmnt 2012 isnt in a downfall and will never die because tmnt 2012 is the birth of tmnt of our era, one of the bests, it just had to come to an end, but I have good news guys, in the end, tmnt 2012 left a big, very big window of a fully untold story, the show just ended randomly with episodes 18,19 and 20 without saying fully what the end story is, my point, someone can do a very big sequel out of it, and it will be successful

[@saiyan4414]

also April was voiced by May Whitman who voiced Katara in avatar.

[@Iliketurtles1984]

Season 5 intro gotta be my favorite ngl

[@supermariofan6547]

No such thing as a 2012 tmnt downfall🗣️

[@bowserbreaker2515]

The 2012 TMNT show is my favorite version of the turtles. I love it so much. And I don't think it ever went downhill. It had a great ending that I loved. Sure, some episodes were pretty bad, but overall, it was really good. But if it lasted longer, it would've gotten bad.

[@micahwilliams1449]

This show had lots of nightmare fuel. I loved it

[@vinkennest3274]

Hey, ill have you know that the pizza episode is amazing instead of the season 3 filler

[@nottheprettybestfriend885]

Coming back from your latest video I should’ve know it was you 🤦‍♀️ I was fine with this video for the most part but you definitely had some questionable takes…

[@TheTrumpNation]

I miss my childhood 🔵🔴🟣🟠

[@ashhabimran239]

Disagree with the series having a "downfall". Season 5 may not have been my favourite, and yeah the show isn't perfect overall, but I'd hardly call it a downfall or even a seasonal rot considering its 5 year run. It, along with TMNT03, still remains one of the most popular and beloved iterations of the franchise

[@mack_r-s]

Yoooo another YTV rep lets goooooo!!

[@mattiaematteo]

Compared to the 2010 era of Nickelodeon, this is the best show from that era.

[@LovethedemonWolf2.0]

2012 version was ok but the 2003 verson will always be the best to me yes i wacted both in full

[@caidenthecat]

W vid

[@AskAir]

@@caidenthecat Thank you!

[@LoneDawg-tg5kf]

Growing up donnie was my favorite turtle

[@saiyan4414]

honestly I think four wrapped fine and we didn't need season five.

[@ayyale_]

Honestly, I feel like the first 3 seasons were good and there still nostalgic to this day I don’t know if it’s just me but the animation had a really rough change compared to season 1 it’s no biggie though.Season 4 was alright the ending was great the space saga is cool and the whole super shredder story is amazing, but season 5 wasn’t really necessary it’s not bad but it’s just not really necessary the finale is alright I wish they could have brought the 2003 turtles in but they didn’t overall the show did good but its downfall sorta affected the toy sales and people not being interested in it anymore

[@horizon8618]

Season 3 is the best season in the 2012 great storying telling fights and development for the characters as they return to New York

[@kidmods]

This show never had a downfall 😂

[@Abner-gu3ve]

I won’t lie to you this review didn’t hit for me for many reasons

[@InfinityandBeyondEdd]

tell us

[@Abner-gu3ve]

@@InfinityandBeyondEdd from what I got he didn’t try going into the review of this show with an open mind, feel free to express your opinions yeah but he came across as way too nitpicky for me, at least give the benefit of the doubt. Also if I ain’t mistaken he said some episodes was too slow or boring for him to neither watching so that already makes his review fall flat for me. Regardless of how boring or bad a show is to you, if you wanna give a full legitimate review of a show, watch the whole damn thing so you can catch all the details. How tf am I supposed to take this review seriously if he ain’t bother watching the entire thing. Lastly he’s judging this show for things the 2003 series did, 2003 and 2012 TMNT were created with different objectives, the former was made to be a mostly comic accurate tv depiction of the Mirage comics. The 2012 series is meant to celebrate many various adaptations of TMNT that came before it by adapting their lore and characters into its show with a new reimagining. He’s basically criticizing the show for being what it isn’t meant to be

[@InfinityandBeyondEdd]

I highly agree

[@alexanderthegreat-mx5zu]

​@@Abner-gu3veYou tuber moment,man.

[@LegendXD00]

So then you’re mad because he doesn’t like what do

[@Jordan_Jelly]

Still watch it till this day

[@jakebailey5834]

I Grew up on both TMNT 2003 Series and TMNT 2012 Series.

[@AskAir]

Me too!

[@jamestolbert1856]

17:52 with David Tennant, he’s basically Doctor Who

[@godzillalegendary4200]

Me and my brother grew up with 2012 Ninja turtles

[@micheallynch-fk1iv]

TMNT 2012 Never Had A Bad Episode In My Opinion

[@ForrestFox626]

😂

[@erven4360]

*A foot too big has entered the chat*

[@slayerbrother5779]

Honestly this Show was Great the best Expect was Probably the found family and bond Plus the Character Development was handled well for Most of the turtles i didn't Like the way they handled Donnie and April Relationship

[@DanielKariuki-er5gi]

16:18 Awesome? Casey what's wrong with you?

[@atavious2491]

Honestly, I do not get why you think this was a *tragedy* because it clearly wasn't. I don't think there ever was a "downfall" of the 2003 or 2012 shows. This review and the other retrospective made by J's Review just sound like very cynical takes by people who are really just casual fans of the Ninja Turtles and are not really die hard fans of the whole franchise. I have to acknowledge that most of this show's high praise mainly comes from people who actually grew up on the 80s cartoon and are more experienced with the franchise and its history. Like Black Nerd and The Blockbuster Busters review on this series. Not to sound like I'm deflecting criticism or shutting out neounced opinions, but this review to me really sounds like he's basing this show more off of other failed or short lived cartoons of that era. Maybe I am biased, but I don't watch Fairly Odd Parents or Ben 10. Therefore, I don't contend with those points being compared to those other shows regardless if they did better or not. Unfair criticism in my book. However, I do think that there is a bigger issue when it comes to millennials and gen z trying to review their old childhood shows and not fully understanding why it had to end. What really led up to their cancellation in the first place. People take these misunderstood perceptions and completely take it out of context and it becomes the main narrative that people just blindly follow without challenging it and coming to a better conclusion. This is pretty much the case with a lot of certain action cartoons of the 90s and 2000s such as Teen Titans 2003 and the 90s Marvel cartoons like Spider-Man and the X-Men. What people call a "cliffhanger" probably isn't one in the first place and was actually how the show was supposed to end, to leave its viewers on a note where they can imagine that the heroes will always continue to save the day and go on many other great adventures without having to continuously see that over and over again. In other words, an open-ended conclusion where the view can decide and imagine the character's futures how they see fit without the show having to keep on giving an answer to those questions. Great storytelling. The same can be said for the Ninja Turtles. The 1987 series ended on a note where really we don't get to see what really happens to their original villains. They weren't killed off, only vanished away to another dimension so we the viewers can always imagine that they can still come back as if nothing happened. The 2003 show in my opinion had a very clear finale in Back To The Sewers and Turtles Forever. A lot of the loose threads from previous seasons were wrapped up perfectly well here and while many people probably didn't like the representation of the 80s Turtles here, I can still very much see where the idea and vision was heading to. This WAS supposed to be (and still IS) an actual reunion of the original classics regardless of how 4kids handled it or what they had to contend with at the time before the Nick buy out. I personally didn't really mind the love relationship between April and Donatello in this show. It's just due to the literal fact that April and Casey were teenage kids in this universe and the creators wanted to spice things up for this new iteration and fully repeat what was done before. In fact, I think this ongoing gag is probably what gives this show it's charm. I always knew eventually April was going to fall for Casey and/or have the cast go their separate ways in the future, as like what we saw in the Mutant Apocalypse. Speaking of which, I think the fifth season in this show was a much better way to end it on compared to how the previous two cartoons ended their runs. While I personally took the fifth season as still being canon to the rest of the show simply because of how Nickelodeon aired it, I think this season was more or less aimed towards older fans of the franchise as a lot of these episodes and new characters were mostly referneces to older TMNT media and were welcomed editions by long-time fans. Savanti Romero, a demon character who I thought was generic since I last saw him in the 2003 show is now a badass is the 2012 version. Hun the same thing. Hun looking like Bruce Lee here I think was an awesome idea, so I don't know what drugs AskAir is on. Usagi Yojimbo showing up in the 2012 show was also a highly anticipated episode sinced it was announced at a comic con panel. I think how they handled him in this show was also great and I think tried to be more like the comics the character oriented from. But now Yojimbo has his own spin-off series on Netflix which you can also check out. The 80s Turtles coming back in the 2012 show twice was also neat and I do understand 2003 fans wanting to see their iteration make a proper comeback in that same vein too. The 2003 TMNT returning in a new comic book and toyline I think is a good start and can be the beginning for something greater to come in the near future. So bottom line: I generally don't agree with the consensus being made in this video. I love all things TMNT, including the bad ones. Seeing this show for the first time at a friend's house was what brought me back into watching Ninja Turtles since watching the 4kids show when I was little and becoming the TMNT fan that I am today. The fact that this show was also in cg animation made it completely fresh and different to what came before. This show alongside Teen Titans Go! and Five Nights at Freddy's were my escapism during my rough middle school years. I'll leave off by saying that at least in my opinion, the 2012 Ninja Turtles and The Legend of Korra were one of the best highlights of Nickelodeon animation in the 2010s. I'm eternally grateful for that.

[@cherylwaddington5629]

Tbh I really loved the show its the first Tmnt show I have ever watched and its what made me a true Tmnt fan but I really hated the whole love triangle storyline between April Donnie and Casey by far the worst part about that show for me I would've much rather April date Leo instead as I felt April had way better chemistry with him than anyone else lastly the show had wasted potential to many characters were introduced and that went to no where some episodes were pointless and a waste of time plot holes to lastly I wish characters like the Rat King Jei and the Newtralizer were in more episodes as there were my favourite villains by far Tiger Claw should've been the main villain of season 5 and Usagi should've taken Splinters place

[@catrakitten]

In my opinion, seasons 1 to 3 was when this show was at its peak. Season for was okay, but it had it's unessasary filled episodes (mostly with the Space saga) rushed plots, characters that were never explored as much (For ex; Shinigami and Alopex), rushed plot points, etc. Season 5 is when the show really went downhill. Most of the episodes were either nonsensical filler and things that should even be added. But the Lone Rat and Cubs episode was good though. And Bebop and Rocksteady's redemption at the end of season 5 came out of nowhere and they're better off as villains.

[@DarknessXTJ]

This is literally my favorite series of the teenage mutant ninja turtles 🔥

[@TeamStingray_]

I love that most of the comments section are defending the shit out of TMNT 2012 saying that it didn't have a downfall. Hate to break it to you but the show did have a downfall. The show should've ended after season 4, season 5 wasn't necessary, season 5 was just mostly filler. It felt like they ran out of ideas, or they didn't know what to do with the characters. Also, there was a lot of plot holes and forgotten storylines which was a major flaw about the show that no one mentions at all. I won't hold the writers for TMNT 2012 downfall that much considering the fact that shows from Nick, we all know Nick and how they do a lot of their shows dirty. Still a great show and W video A.S.K Air.

[@ashesGeek]

Well, I kinda agree and disagree. Yes, season 5 was the downfall compared to season 4 considering show's creator Ciro Nieli wanted season 4 to be the finale, but Nickelodeon asked him for one more season so he decided to make it a reference to Mirage comics Tales of TMNT. I wouldn't say they ran out of ideas: origin story about Splinter and the Turtles, Shredder's resurrection, Dregg invading Earth, Usagi story, Halloween story with Savanti Romero, alternative Mad Max world just for fun. 2012 crew definitely had a lot of ideas which they managed to deliver despite the story has ended. If anything, it was much better situation than 2003 series where Peter Laird and Lloyd Goldfine had to make everything family friendly to keep the show floating. And I know some people just assume this evil 4kids helps hellspawn is responsible for season 5, 6 and 7, but Peter Laird was heavily involved and he wrote about liking working on it in his blog. So, even if TMNT 2012 stepped up from its peak it still didn't break the bottom as hard as 2003 series. Besides, 2012 show was so good at balancing its popularity that it overshadowed Legend of Korra which already suffered from Nickelodeon's messy production conditions.

[@gimmeyourrights8292]

TMNT 012 was golden.

[@jasminegonzalez551]

There is so much they could of done with the show like donnie finally accepting him and april will not happen but him to no longer be creepie but find someone else. Also the final episode of the turtles of 2012 tmnt when they finally ended it in my opinion they did them dirty it could of been a different ending like they figure out how to turn everything kn earth back to normal because there was a character they interacted with that wa sfrom the future so how can there be human on earth in the future if there is only mutant, unless she was part alien or something, i will have to rewatch the the show again to better understand it more.

[@jasminegonzalez551]

Also they could of found out what happend to aprils mother

[@cinderefell1399]

I rewatched it recently. The show was great. Honestly, nearly perfect and hit all the best moments. The worst part-- everyone brings it up --is Donatello. Just take out all of that. Or, ya know, write a relationship better. Because I don't mind good written relationships. That said, one is a turtle and the other is a human. So, maybe relationship stuff with Casey or someone else.

[@Void-a7k]

Im sad listening to this...

[@ConduxDaBeest]

As a HUGE Sonic fan. I am happy they got Roger Craig Smith to voice a character

[@joy4themightydonutchainsaw620]

Literally no downfall a bunch of great episodes each season

[@ZPaul_]

There wasn’t really a downfall, the show just became mid. It has its flaws but they weren’t enough to completely ruin it

[@EisaAkhtar-p4h]

It got better each season.

[@michelangelosplinterson]

Nice vid mate! Booyakasha! 🟠

[@AskAir]

It's actually Cowabunga Mikey

[@Valio-wf2ox]

why did tmnt 2012 end like it has a lot of potential