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A very special Fact Hunt this week, We had so many people say they enjoyed the Driv3rGate segment from the 3 Gaming Scandals that were buried episode of Fact Hunt, we decided to go back and re-add a lot of the original deleted content, as well as all the new research we discovered from people involved in the scandal since making the video. Enjoy!
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[@JaseAnimates]

I was a kid when the first three drivers came out, so I was too stupid to care how broken Driv-three-arrrgh was. Me and my school friends had such a laugh finding glitches... so I guess that counts for something. Even though Atari are absolute wankers for ruining this franchise, at least we got Stuntman out of this, although badly timed.

[@Larry]

Lol, we did the same thing too, worth the asking price just for that!

[@ricky-sanchez]

I love the way you pronounced the title😁

[@Cy-Kill_01]

It’s funny, if this happened this day and age this wouldn’t be a scandal at all really. This is now so common place it’s hilarious in hindsight

[@ricky-sanchez]

The more technology evolves, the lazier and shiftier people get. There was no day 1 patching in those days, so if you released a broken game, you had no excuse and faced the wrath of the people.

[@williamsmith666]

And this is why modern gaming is crap.

[@andregarcia18]

Cyberpunk 2077 says "hello"

[@lucasmaggart388]

Ah man. One day too late. I was gunna say. Cyberpunk has entered the chat

[@Msf1011]

@@lucasmaggart388 Looking at the Driv3r footage I went 'wow this is literally the cyberpunk of PS2'

[@johnv7317]

"A delayed game is eventually good, an unfinished game is bad forever." -Shigeru Miyamoto

[@Larry]

(Cough) Duke Nukem Forever (Cough)

[@johnv7317]

@@Larry True but at least Duke Nukem Forever is a much better game than Driv3r. Sure Duke Nukem Forever is not the best not it not terrible either. Lazy Game Reviews (LGR) thinks the game not that bad. Here is video review on the game: kzbin.info/www/bejne/p5CodoaIp9Ngec0

[@MildMisanthropeMaybeMassive]

I remember Gabe Newell had a version of that Miyamoto quote that went: “If a game is late then it’s late. But if a game sucks, then it sucks forever.”

[@amirperreg8405]

John V Except he once said that about Wario Ware Twisted in Europe.

[@andyukmonkey]

A delayed game will bankrupt the company if it takes too long

[@sapphire9924]

It’s scary that they almost did the impossible, remove something from the internet permanently.

[@Veladus]

What's scarier is we'll never know who else has actually succeeded in that task and in what topic.

[@zakazany1945]

Cyber damnatio memoriae

[@swaggerdagger8976]

Watch_Dogs was originally a Driver Game !? Imagine that. The game with the worst driving controls originally being a driving game.

[@issholland]

I think it had more to do with the gameplay style as to why the driving wasn't good in Watch_Dogs. Like Mario Kart is a fun game but imagine Mario Kart driving physics in Grand Theft Auto

[@djspit8929]

Jeez that explains why watch_dogs was poopy

[@madafaka3075]

For all the people commenting "It wasn't that bad", "I liked Driv3r". You probably played the patched version of the game.

[@Chackus]

Mada Faka I played both versions, I love the game. Not because of nostalgia, just because I had genuine good fun. Your right. But Driver will be my favorite series EVER.

[@kooora18]

If not the game, then the soundtrack, the well rendered cutscenes which were almost Hollywood-esque, Jericho was a bad ass villian omggg 😂

[@Larry]

If you play the game 100% to how they want you to play missions, you should miss a lot of glitches too, but do anything "creative" and you're in a whole world of trouble.

[@ci7210]

Or they were kids when they play it. Even I looked past obvious flaws in games when I was a kid.

[@be2Gee]

Patched PS2 version on release day? No. I didn't have any issues with bugs. Perhaps regional versions for some odd reasons had issues but none of my friends in Norway had these bugs in the EU version at least.

[@ealing456]

Pretty big inaccuracy in this video. You kept pronouncing the game as: Driver 3. Get it right next time: "driv-three-are /drɪvθriːɑː/

[@namingisdifficult408]

Bloody useless because leet speak. Or is it l33t?

[@reclusiam]

That's funny, I bought Driv3r for ps2, pretty close to it's launch, and didn't encounter any of these bugs. I only remember the story missions being incredibly hard difficulty-wise, and having fun in istanbul, driving in oncoming lane with the infinite car mass cheat. This video actually makes me want to check it out again :D

[@ronnydarko9046]

Ok, so the Watchdogs thing totally blindsided me. I had no idea.

[@DarthJoshReturns]

Ironic how DRIV3R turned out the way it did to compete with San Andreas, and then we get GTA Definitive Edition.

[@silverflight01]

History repeats itself.

[@gamepad3173]

@@silverflight01 you think that GTA Definitive edtion was bad? Battlefield 2042 would like to have a word.

[@JoeContext]

​@@silverflight01 Given how notoriously often this happens nowadays, I think someone needs to tell history we heard them the first time

[@ZacHawkins42]

Off topic: Is anyone else tired of scrolling through the comments on a phone when suddenly a wild advertisement appears and resets the comments to the top, forcing you to scroll back down?

[@wwemonkey619]

Zac Hawkins no u

[@ricky-sanchez]

That KZbin life...☹️

[@caseyissheep]

Driv3r was the Fallout 76 of the Early 2000's

[@lookatme5939]

Yeah both games got fixed into a playable state

[@caseyissheep]

@@lookatme5939 Doesn't mean that they weren't unplayable before hand

[@demonteddybear3510]

@@lookatme5939 Not sure playable is the right word in regard to 76. "It just works" is a bit more accurate. Update: ... Oh wait I am putting fun and playable into the same category. Said the same as you. Just with a quote. So nevermind

[@evanhanley6437]

A Driver fan named RacingFreak found the early press demo of Driver 3 in an Xbox Development Kit very recently and its better looking than the final version. -More cars were planned. Many of the cars in the final version had different designs and handling. The car select movies are different to what we got. -There were better looking textures for the environments, cars, pedestrians and police. -The cutscenes, missions, characters and cities were VERY different looking. (Note: This is only a summary and the game files are still being explored. More content may appear.) Look for channels VortexStory, BetaDepot, Olanov and RacingFreak. RacingFreak is the guy who found it so I suggest you look at his channel then VortexStory for comparison as he talks about it also. Olanov found some music and BetaDepot put up some analysis videos of the preview build. VortexStory has a playlist called "Driv3r Beta and Press Demo Content." This is what to search. All their findings are documented on the playlist.

[@Talex-td6xf]

The whole 'deleting bad comments' sounds awfully familiar after the whole KZbin Rewind 2018...

[@captainxhulio2929]

What's ironic is nowadays kids are USED to this kinda stuff LOL and they still buy the shit, banking on patches and updates, etc.

[@MarioMasterProductions]

It sucks...

[@metazoxan2]

At least with live updates there is real chance it will actually get fixed. Back in this era you didn't really get live updates or after release patches. ALso if a game is THIS unfinished then people still drag it through the mud like Cyberpunk 2077. We only give stuff a pass if it's mostly good and just needs a bit more polish.

[@ebagentj]

You know, the mention of Watchdogs starting out as a Driver title made me wonder if there could be a Fact Hunt to be made out of new IPs that started as sequels in other franchises. Off the top of my head, I know Devil May Cry got its start from one of the earliest builds of a potential RE4 (it's more complicated than that, and obviously they didn't just slap a different title over a game originally meant to be RE, but the idea for it and some of the mechanics and settings came from an early build of RE4).

[@badger6728]

EB Agent J i know this is an obvious one but Sleeping Dogs started as a new entry in the infamous True Crime series, True Crime: Hong Kong

[@nathanlester9985]

When I played watch dogs and especially watch dogs 2 it still to this day loosely reminds me of Driver San Francisco.. then to find out it's basically running on the same but modified engine.

[@EthanAndTails]

Moral: Don't be greedy and rush what could had been a good game

[@inendlesspain4724]

Let's all laugh at an industry, that never learns anything, tee-hee-hee.

[@randominternetsurfersurfin7595]

I have an idea for a POSITIVE fact hunt for once top 5 influencal bad games. cause even though the games are bad,they helped influence good games.

[@olivertaylor7247]

Would Wolfenstein 3D qualify. It's aged terribly.

[@randominternetsurfersurfin7595]

Ollie Taylor​ did it come out before Doom? If yes than it does,if no than ehhhh that depends on what it did that doom didn't that influenced shooters.

[@catonline878]

Hydlide, influenced the Ys series.

[@edfreak9001]

Wolfenstein was great for the time, so no.

[@starlitalpha7]

Add kill.switch to that list. Killswitch inspired Epic Games' to make Gears of War with the way it handled shooting from cover. The other big inspiration was resident evil 4, but... we wouldn't put that on this list for a very obvious reason.

[@PHRCpvh]

Sadly, the Driv3rGATE was a forecast of what the AAA game industry became today; publishers didn't learned with the 1982 "E.T" game, neither with "Driv3rgate", so everyone can be dang sure that they won't learn with Cyberpunk 2077.

[@Deathstock]

The market is way over saturated. I feel like we're heading for another video game crash

[@gamepad3173]

I may as well throw in the GTA Trilogy Definitive Edition that released full of bugs, oh and Battlefield 2042 that game was more broken than Rockstars GTA Trilogy The Definitive Edition, and boy that collection tells quite a story going all the way back to when Take 2 started taking down GTA SA, III, and Vice City mods. THEN removing the original versions, and the icing on the shit cake is that to this very day Rockstar STILL scams people.

[@RBeeMedia]

It's crazy to see these clips, I absolutely do not remember this game being buggy, but then again, it's probably the nostalgia glasses

[@TheIrland09]

If you're not pronouncing it Drivthreer, you're doing it wrong.

[@PongoXBongo]

Someone needs to bring this back up. Nothing on the internet should ever die, and companies should have no right to touch archive sites or wikis. This is humanity's grand archive, the sum of human knowledge, and no one (legally or otherwise) should be allowed to mess with it.

[@noop9k]

PongoXBongo yes, The Internet archive is remarkably useless as soon as you start to research anything that is either obscure or controversial. A lot of content there is blocked by the owners of the domain. Some of the more obscure content is simply not archived before disappearing forever.

[@captainobvious9233]

The irony that Atari rushing unfinished games out led to the Video Game Crash in the 1980s (With E.T and Pac Man) and cost them millions. Yet, even after that they didn't learn their damn lesson.They did it again a few years ago with Roller Coaster Tycoon World. I swear, AAA game companies have the memories of Goldfish.

[@richardfan7157]

True, but it's worth noting that the Atari of the PS2 era has nothing to do with the original Atari l, it's French company Infogrames rebranding itself.

[@NorthStarBlue1]

The one thing i remember most about all of this was that Rockstar and Reflections were sniping at each other in their games, too. Starting in GTA3 where Kenji sends you kill a "strangely animated" man who looked exactly like Tanner in Driver 2, making fun of his walk animations. Driv3r responded by hiding a bad knockoff of Tommy Vercetti (named "Timmy Vermicelli", get it?) around the game, and he had little orange floaties on his arms to reference that you couldn't swim in Vice City. Then San Andreas finished it with the mission where you sneak into Madd Dogg's mansion, and he's sitting on his couch playing Driv3r and raging about how terrible it is.

[@ricky-sanchez]

I remember playing GTA 3 and doing the kenji mission and thinking "oh shit, it's Tanner from driver! Does anyone else know about this?" My question was finally answered.😎

[@GameHammerCG]

Atari over-investing and screwing themselves through stupidity? Is this 1982 again? They never bloody learn, do they?

[@MegamanNG]

It's 2016 and they still haven't learned.

[@thehousealwayswins8398]

Atari today is not the same Atari back in the 80's. They're really Infogrames, a French company that bought the name in 2003 so that they could ride the old company's coat tails.

[@GameHammerCG]

The House Always Wins We all know this. It's irrelevant.

[@U014B]

Maybe they're just adamant about destroying the video game industry.

[@brendan9734]

It's a different Atari than 1986. Sure it has the same name, but it has nothing to do with the original except for the name being purchased.

[@SuperfieldCrUn]

My eyes practically bugged right out of my head when you said that Driver was eventually re-branded as Watch_Dogs... dear God, it all comes full circle.

[@Larry]

Lol, my eyes rolled back so far, I could see my brain :D

[@nathanbrisebois8756]

I actually really enjoyed this game back in the day, I had San Andreas, but I found Driv3r more cinematic and gritty, and I played the first two drivers religiously, so I had a soft spot for it there too. It definitely could have been a better game had Atari not been a bunch of dummies

[@ricky-sanchez]

By the time driver 3 came out, I had already written it off as the poor man's gta 3.

[@GunLoc]

I bought a PS2 copy back in the day and I can assure you that I have never seen the glitches in this video. Sure there may have been some small bugs or clip throughs here and there but the ones shown here are ridiculous. No wonder it got such a backlash.

[@galacticspecter4364]

Come on Larry, just make the Molyneux episode already. Actually, scratch, Molyneux deserves multiple episodes.

[@H250V]

A Month of Molyneux

[@TAVIII]

check out Kim justice he has loads of things like that

[@YadonTheCat]

I don't think it could ever compare to Kim Justice's ongoing series on the man

[@YadonTheCat]

+Doom2Guy And I don't say that to badmouth Larry. It's just that it would be a redundant video to make

[@Kirschi__]

I've played this game on PS2 and I loved it! But I was very young at that time and therefore didn't know all those bugs weren't supposed to be there. I didn't know about that whole scandal as well. I'm glad for the memories I could make with that game, but am kinda sad now knowing how much better that game could've been.

[@ricky-sanchez]

I remember being in my late teens, early 20s when this game came out, looking at it and thinking "this is going straight to the bargain bin." Boy was I right. Bullet dodged.

[@MrBinks-un8ju]

It's amazing that despite 3 different incarnations of Atari they still do the same bullshit, which is rush half-baked half-finished steam piles of garbage. The same shit that sank them in the gaming crash of 83. Sunk them in the early 2000s, and is currently sinking them again.

[@ricky-sanchez]

Lazy management is the reason why a company sinks. It's like they saw gta 3 in the works and said "just make driver 3, they'll probably buy it, or get the the two confused or something. Oh and hurry up. No reason, just hurry up." I'm pretty sure that was the idea behind driver 3.

[@terribletanner805]

Imagine being one of the guys who designed the 35,000 unique buildings... ...only for the game to not only flop, but drop to the bottom of the barrel.

[@luxtenax9175]

Oh you, how did you know I liked your _'3 Major Gaming Scandals That Were Buried'_ video so much that I wanted to learn more about the Driv3r shitstorm?? I'm serious, I loved that video the first time I watched it, and I was just watching it again when this popped up on my subscriptions feed

[@catonline878]

Same, the final entry of the video is the most interesting segment of a top list I've ever seen.

[@Larry]

Thanks dude, yeah I thought it was a rather interesting topic to go back to, especially as I cut a load out for time constraints originally.

[@ShowToddSomeLove]

What was funny was how San Andreas took a shot at Driv3r. "REFRACTIONS, HOW'D YOU SCREW IT UP SO BAD!"

[@Larry]

They did?

[@gosunkugi]

One of the thugs is playing a video game in the mission Mad Dogg's Rhymes, he's rather displeased by it, commenting "How could Refractions mess up so bad?" and "Tanner, you suck ass!".

[@gdfauxtrot]

gta.wikia.com/wiki/Madd_Dogg's_Rhymes "One of the guards playing a video game remarks, "How could Refractions mess up so bad?" and "Tanner, you suck ass!" These are references to the poor reception of DRIV3R, which is considered a GTA Clone, where the protagonist's name is Tanner, and the game is made by Reflections Interactive." that is just pure gold

[@ShowToddSomeLove]

***** In the mission where you're breaking into Madd Dogg's mansion, a guy is playing Driv3r (or a copyright friendly imitation of it) and he is hating the experience. Yeah, as the others said, damn they were fast. If you search for a video of the mission mad Dog's Rhymes, you'll see it almost certainly, it's a brief cutscene, even, not just ambient dialogue.

[@M4R14NO94]

I find the potshots amusing considering Reflections and DMA/Rockstar North used to be buddies back in their early days. Also, Reflections themselves took a shot at Driv3r as well, as there was an area in Parallel Lines that had a dumpster filled with copies of Driv3r.

[@GTFan8899]

I was sent here by man that can´t count the days between boxing day and new years eve.

[@cadnad]

GT Fan 8899 Hello fellow oh wait we haven't been procrastinators for a while

[@gamethiefs279]

yeah what happened to "hello procrastonators" I miss the old dan

[@shredguitarob]

I bet if Driv3r were to be fixed up and released as intended, it'd be awesome!

[@Larry]

Indeed, was hoping Ubisoft would re-release it on Steam or uPlay

[@Michaeljack81sk]

I guess if this happened today Atari would have blamed Toxic gamers...

[@RayManiac90]

It's real sad to see what happened to driv3r, it could be a real good game and an alternative to gta, if atari didn't rush the game it could be an hit seller

[@iforgot1135]

All I remember is this game was absolutely amazing when I played it when I was little. Like a whole personal modern day world to explore

[@ThereAreThoseWhoCallMeTim]

It looks like the only really good project that Atari has been involved in within the past few decades is the 2009 Ghostbusters game. I mean, that game is fucking incredible!

[@theschmorgishboard]

Its a shame that Driver became Watch Dogs, San Francisco was actually a decent game and I really would have liked a sequel

[@Matrix803]

I remember being super excited for Driv3r specifically for the survival mode. LOL! When it finally released, I went to GameStop (or EB/whatever it was) to pick up the game, and the guy behind the counter actually convinced me _not_ to get Driv3r because of how bad it was. However, a week later I went back to the mall and actually bought it. And from then on, I had a lot of hilarious times with that game XDDD It's really quite entertaining because the physics are so unrealistic and ridiculous that it makes you burst out laughing. xD I think it's so bad that it's actually damn awesome.

[@pastelfromgreece9603]

survival is crazy, the cops will hit you so hard it will make your car do ballet

[@quackers8681]

I had the ps2 version of driv3r, and it wasnt buggy like anything i've seen in this video, it worked great? i'm so confused, it was a good game

[@floydlooney6837]

I don't remember there being that many glitches when I played.

[@Krentebol]

Same here. I have yet to encounter any of the bugs shown in this video.

[@Tunerdude94]

I have played it and while is it a bit clunky, nothing like whats seen here.

[@coolguy02536]

Not quite, Raving Dave.

[@poppythedogofwonders]

You played the patched version

[@Dragonking1984]

Here we are years later & neither the gaming industry or "games media" learned anything from this.

[@endertronicinc.7463]

The never learn anything, Teeheehee

[@batou1976]

This is one of the most puzzling and frustrating things about the video games industry to me. Publishers and developers keep making the same mistakes over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over.....

[@Dragonking1984]

@@batou1976 Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it. Seems that's true no matter what it is.

[@freshrot420]

@@Dragonking1984 And from that we could extrapolate that if we do not heed our history, then it wont only repeat, it _must_ repeat.

[@Dragonking1984]

@@freshrot420 Sadly it seems so. It's like history is the teacher & we're all that one dumb ass who's had to repeat the same grade over & over.

[@emperormegaman3856]

The magazine who accepted that offer were just plain stupid. And I don't just mean stupid as "they had bad Etics" just stupid, strategically speaking. I mean, okay they take the deal, get to review the game before anyone else, and gave it a 9/10 regardless of its quality... When the game comes out, people are going to actually Play it. They will see that it Sucks. Even in the unlikely scenario where their corruption is not exposed, the reader will concludes that "theses journalists are morons, i'll buy the rival, from now on). The whole point of trying to get exclusive info is to get a edge on their rival. Completely destroying your credibility to win for one month makes no sense.

[@E34Benzin]

I loved Driv3r. The realism was way above GTA's, despite its problems. Of course it would have been a million times better had they properly finished it. But just look at the damage of the cars, it was mind blowing at its time.

[@blackoutgstar9949]

not much different than modern gaming. they have good concept, decent release state. destroyed by bugs, unfinished mess. they rush it out to make money. but at the end of the day they lose in the long run

[@DylRicho]

I agree. The visuals; the sounds of the cars; the physics... It was leaps and bounds ahead of where GTA was at the time with Vice City, and even San Andreas. And I say that as a life-long GTA fan.

[@aloptuleamagnificanton4983]

Too bad no one cares anymore about the Driver ip, Driver San Francisco is a great game.

[@daksuxmy]

I played Driv3r all the time as a kid, and never once had to deal with glitches or bad mechanics. (according to memory) Now i want to get it again, snd see how dumb my middle school brain really was.

[@SketchAndEtch]

Simple question then: Was it a PC version and did you play it well after it was released? Because it was probably somewhat patched by that point.

[@daksuxmy]

SketchAndEtch No, it was the Xbox version, and he did metion it had a small patch. So I'm assuming thats why I didn't have all these problems.

[@Yajeeb]

I loved the first 2 drivers. If they did driver 3 right, the rivalry between them and GTA would've been good for the industry and to keep Rock* on their toes.

[@dinohermann1887]

At least we got the Saints Row franchise making it's debut about 2 years later!

[@devbyrd1]

Nintendo Life sent me

[@Larry]

Hello you lovely person :D

[@Tyrantk2007]

"The game was terrible, glitched to hell, bordering on unplayable, rushed to retail." Drivergate predated Bethesda

[@GiordanDiodato]

*Assassin's Creed Unity

[@NoStereo]

meh bethesda games are buggy as fuck but nowhere near unplayable, especially if you play on PC. I only once came across a game breaking bug once in a bethesda IP and funny enough it was in new vegas, a game they didn't actually develop. :P

[@ricky-sanchez]

@@NoStereo You must have never played fallout 3. Nothing worse than getting stuck in a wall, and having to load a save from 45 mins ago.

[@doodguytheblank2403]

Well there was Driver76

[@MrHAZZA821]

As a kid i loved driv3r. Hell I'd spend hours messing with the glitches alone. I'd love to see how it could've turned out with more polish

[@nathanaeld.striker7191]

What? Watch_Dogs is the spiritual successor of Driv3r? O.O

[@GuyOnAChair]

wat

[@TAVIII]

no, watch dogs IS driver that was renamed part way though development

[@articerile]

Explains why it's awful

[@protestifications]

+Articerile well it plays alright but the hacking just feels so poorly implemented

[@Kenshiro3rd]

Explains why most missions play so much like Driver.

[@shtuttghart9030]

Played hours and hours of Driver (PC), Driver 2 (PS1) and Driver3 and Parallel Lines. 3 was fun, challenging and was easy to waste hours just causing havoc. Finding hidden vehicles including the forklift was a hoot. The game was not nearly as glitchy as this story makes it out to be. The game is an honest 8.5/10 to me.

[@georgemaniat7224]

You heard of course that the game was patched later right, maybe you played the patched thing? I mean why would the company go through all this scandal bs that obviously happened, if the game could be considered at least 'fun enough'?

[@VitalMusic217]

Didn´t see any of those glitches after countless hours of gameplay.

[@rileynewton17]

I'm gonna be honest, I owned the PS2 version and never had a single glitch like what I saw in this video. Game played really well for me, and I thoroughly enjoyed it.

[@DeadlyDanDaMan]

Every gamer in the world should be REQUIRED to watch this video, just so they understand how unbelievably low these companies will go. They don't give a FUCK about you or anyone else, or even the products they are pushing, it's ALL ABOUT THE MONEY.

[@zmbdog]

It's sad that Future and the PSM2 and XBW editors suffered no real comeuppance for this. They definitely deserved to.

[@Larry]

It wasn't really known about until some time later, so they may have left by then.

[@turbone6028]

This is literally the same story with cyberpunk, history repeats itself clearly

[@TarlukLegion]

except cyberpunk is actually pretty fun; it's just that redditors like you keep circlejerking about a game you've never even played nonstop cause redditors gotta be mad at something at any given time

[@turbone6028]

no no no, not that it's bad, I played it and it was amazing, got 100h on cyberpunk, but the thing I was trying to imply, is that both of these games suffered from rushed releases. They both would've been quite better if worked on for longer. 😊

[@TarlukLegion]

@@turbone6028 ah, my apologies then; I've just seen so many people who complain about it in so many places that I've gotten so damn sick of seeing it I saw a guy who said "cyberpunk bad" in a damn cooking video of all places, if you could believe it.

[@qwertyzxcvbn3174]

@@TarlukLegion cyberpunk was almost unplayable at launch

[@mcruff3]

Many elements of what happened sounded alot like Cyberpunk's situation.

[@petrified666]

I got an advert for cyberpunk whilst watching this video, I died laughing.

[@ignaeon]

"For the good of us all, releasing a game of this importance in such a woefully unfinished state should never be allowed to happen again" And as they say, the years start coming.

[@johnny5805]

Driver became Watchdogs ? Wow ! I'm being educated as well as entertained. I love this channel.

[@Larry]

Thanks bud, I try to find original and interesting topics! :)

[@GumbaMasta]

Imagine if Driver 3 had been finished and polished... We probably would't have had to listen to Irish's oirish arkcent in Red Dead Redemption

[@อนิรุตน์กิจสวัสดิ์]

Did you know that GTA used to roast Driver franchise? In GTA3, the mission called "Two-Faced Tanner" when Claude was tasked to kill the undercover cop who has girl walking animation. That was reference to the awkward walk animation in Driver 2. And that undercover cop named Tanner. And when they said "Useless out of his car" it means that Driver 2 started to lost it touch when they let us get out of a car.

[@Larry]

you havent seen my recent "characters made to piss people off" episode i take it? :)

[@อนิรุตน์กิจสวัสดิ์]

@@Larry Oh !I firstly heard from another channel. But I never go in full details as much as your video. (Sorry for bad English) Salute to you sir! You still replied to the video from 5 years ago. You sir, are a legend.

[@t0xcn253]

@@อนิรุตน์กิจสวัสดิ์ Larry Jr. is a treasure for sure, but I think your original comment did a great job summarizing the important facts especially without seeing the episode in question. Just wanted to say I appreciate the effort and I don't find your English bad at all.

[@zombie-2358]

But in Driv3r Reflections roasted Rockstar by making a guy called Timmy Vermicelli which was a reference to Tommy Vercetti from GTA Vice City. He had oversized hands and floaties, bright orange skin and a Freddy Mercury kind of face. This roast is the better than the ones Rockstar did🤣

[@Don_Ramiro]

No, "Useless out of his car" didn´t meant to say that Driver started to lost it touch when they let us get out of a car, it was a parody of how in the second game you couldn´t use any type of gun, literally the opposite to GTA 3

[@Taevec]

Not sure which Driver it was; but, people kept running away from me and the police would shoot me on sight. Me and my brother finally figured it out when we looked at the shadows, his gun was drawn but you couldn’t see it on the character model.😂😂😂😭

[@thomaskirkness-little5809]

What I loved most about Driver and Driver 2 was how the pedestrians would always leap out of the way. It made it feel like a movie.

[@Drawyah]

I never knew that Watch_Dogs is essentially the spiritual successor to the Driver series!

[@777CAUTION777]

Yea same here 13:11. I always loved driver from when i was a kid till now but i guess its history tho

[@Ashes1032]

Atari went on to release even more half-developed shit with Rollercoaster Tycoon World, which flopped spectacularly compared to its competitors. It seems they never learn their lesson.

[@solarstrike33]

Man, the original RCT trilogy (yes, even 3) was the shit back in the day! Planet Coaster's fun too.

[@nathanadkins9374]

I liked driv3r. Definitely not a 9/10 but also not nearly a 3/10. Id have to say 6/10. Just didn't have as much content as gta

[@CaptainEggcellent]

This was an awesome video. Entertaining and informative. Thanks Larry, subscribed.

[@Larry]

Ah, thanks bud, muchly appreaciated :)

[@timmi59]

I played The heck out of Driv3r. The glitches were indeed irritating but often hilarious too. I loved the police cars falling from the sky. But Driv3r was the game that got me into gaming.

[@FoolishBanana]

Are all copies of the game created equal? Because I don't recall ever coming across any major glitches like the ones shown off in this video. I guess I got lucky, and this coming from someone who has actually owned both the XBox and PS2 versions of this game. Sure I've had some glitches occur when I've played the game, but nothing too big.

[@SefiricAcid]

Same here, except I had the PS2 and PC versions of the game. PS2 was slightly more glitchy than PC version, but you could hardly tell the difference.

[@namingisdifficult408]

Foolish Banana interesting

[@cadrian4806]

could be a revised version being released after the main release, mabye a reprint (like a ''greatest hits'' release) with a more stable and fixed game

[@Gexzumi]

I don't believe it was a revision thing. I too don't remember these many glitches in the game. Sure there were some, but this video is blowing them out of proportion. I even preordered the game and received the special preorder bonus which included a DVD with a Driver inspired short film on it.

[@noahbailey1519]

Foolish Banana Only owned a ps2 copy and it wasn't glitchy at all

[@redratcrawford]

drive became watchdogs.....oh fuck me

[@2K-Tan]

So sad... This game had such potential to take GTA Head on and *WIN* if done right... Makes me sick to my stomach that out of all games a piece of trash like *WATCH DOGS* Replaced a spectacular license like Driver... There is no justice in the world anymore...

[@sukmikehok2560]

Actually the pc version released year later wasnt half bad lol

[@raythepony]

I think the saddest part for me, is that the patched version of the game is actually kind of good, on PC anyway. They really should've taken the gamble to iron out all the technical issues or not have spent that loads of money in the first place. Who knows where the Driver franchise would've went differently after that.

[@MegamanNG]

Amazing that this is still enjoyable to watch. But I hope we get more like this because there are many other games that had some problems and lawsuits and the like... such as Tomb Raider: The Angel of Darkness and Psi-Ops.

[@GiordanDiodato]

what happened with Angel of Darkness?

[@MegamanNG]

This retrospective sums it all up: survivorreborn.wordpress.com/2016/07/31/retrospective-tomb-raider-the-angel-of-darkness/ Despite the fact that Angel of Darkness is a cult classic, the aftermath was huge with Crystal Dynamics taking over Tomb Raider after Core Design failed.

[@amirperreg8405]

What happened with Psi Ops? It can't be due to issues with the games quality because it was very good and got 84 on metacritic.

[@JJAB91]

So pretty much what happened with GamerGate then. Corruption and unethical journalism exposed and then the censorship of all who questioned it.

[@Larry]

But no SJWs back then to twist it about harassment.

[@F1nicky]

Larry Bundy Jr well said

[@MrJoeyWheeler]

Oh, I don't know, Larry. They're really into historical revisionism these days so I'm sure they'll invent some link between Driv3r's scandal and harassment if they weren't mostly non-gamers.

[@UrdnotWrex88]

I had no idea the Driver franchise became Watch Dogs, this was really interesting to watch. I bought Driver 3 pre-owned on Xbox about 3 months after it launched for about £25, obviously I tried to return the game about a week down the line but had no luck and the price of the game had already dropped to a measly £10 meaning GAME gave me about £1 for it.

[@WillieManga]

Made In Heaven Give Duke Nukem Forever credit. It was disappointing, sure, but at least was decent. And the same thing happened to that game. It went into bargain bin status very quickly.

[@MrMojo23100]

What really pissed me off about the whole scandal was being chewed out by customers as if I was personally responsible. I was managing a GAME store at the time and the company was pushing us to build up hype about the game and to point out the positive reviews. So after telling people how great Driver 3 was going to be, I had to eat crow when the game was launched and people started returning it; including myself, only keeping the collector's edition car figurine. The only other time I fell for game hype was my own fault, falling for the lies by Larry's best mate Peter Molyneux and the whole "Project: Milo" tech demo fiasco.

[@thelonedecidueye5744]

I must have had a better copy of Driv3r when I was little because I never experienced any major glitches when I just screwed around in the Take a Ride mode

[@michaelwilliams2231]

Same and I played story mode

[@jackthorton10]

@@michaelwilliams2231 Same thing happened to me, not one single glitch, at least from my memory.

[@Holeecrab]

If you found an enraged journalist denying that there's no corruption in gaming journalism on twitter, giving him/her a link of this video might helps lol.

[@sirazazeloflowkey6424]

It probably won't. Concider the fact said journalist are either stupid or dishonest if they claim corruption is not present. It's like the people who believe things like conspiracies among politicians and wealthy corporations don't exist. A specific alleged one might not exist, but to claim that such things are bogus in and of themselves, is bogus in and of itself. And I doubt it would be helpful to present evidence to dihonest people. Yet in the extremely rare case of actually having a good-faith argument on the issue, you just might be right. lol

[@KayDizzelVids]

I never knew The Driver Franchise became Watch_Dogs!

[@catholiccontriversy]

So is this why Driver San Francisco can only be bought with subway gift cards?

[@cristianlopez_8486]

Damn. DRIV3R could've been a diamond of a game next to GTA if Atari just let Reflections finish the game properly. Yeah it may not have sold as well as San Andreas, but it probably would've been just as well recieved. What a shame

[@theblacksheep1000]

"The game was innovative and combined a GTA storyline with the voices of debilitated bus drivers. It was okay." 11/10 -IGN

[@Rob17Cotton]

I can remember my mate buying driver3 over waiting to get GTA San Andreas haha tbh saved me from buying it, I waited and brought GTA San Andreas can still remember my mate's face when he came round mine have a ago of San Andreas could tell he was gutted he didn't wait so he could of had it him self , he did get it eventually tho. 🤣😂🤣

[@deltahalo241]

The only glitches I ever came across when playing Driv3r were ocassional physics glitches and people walking off of rooftops to their deaths. I loved it to death.

[@madafaka3075]

deltahalo241 I think you played the patched version.

[@deltahalo241]

It was on the PS2 though

[@lolchillingha]

Last time I was early I had faith in humanity

[@randominternetsurfersurfin7595]

I actually like this one.

[@shahiranzaman2259]

Here's a cookie for an actually funny joke 🍪

[@lolchillingha]

+Sigmund Zaman thx 🍪

[@lolchillingha]

+CyberLink70 I mean I was early to this vid

[@unsungheroes8626]

L

[@Mace2.0]

FUN FACT: The Driver franchise is STILL around. Although a hollow shell, it's recent iteration was different, ditching cars for boats instead.

[@zafool4997]

But Driver SAN Fransico

[@MXOY99]

@@zafool4997 it ruled.

[@ccateni28]

Or watch dogs.

[@MXOY99]

@@ccateni28 The Crew also.

[@MXOY99]

@matt Yeah, but Watch Dogs and The Crew were meant to be Driver games. But yes when they make a car game the DNA will always be there.

[@DuffinCaprousold]

WHaaaat? Watch Dogs is a Driver game?! Well, not wonder the hype around that lead to yet another disappointment. Holy crap!

[@Goodroosters]

For some reason I always binge guru larry when I get sick

[@Larry]

aw, thank you :)

[@jimmysp4des229]

I do the same thing!!! Him and ashens. Great light hearted entertainment.

[@orangeman3220]

I put larry on when I sleep

[@aussieraver7182]

@@orangeman3220 same

[@FJF1085]

I’m home sick today watching this lol.

[@aaronolm99]

I am a big fan of this saga and i've never seen any of those bugs on driv3r. This is the best driving saga that i have seen, with a great story and i'd like an hd remaster from any of these games

[@m.a.924]

The native "guerrilla" is here.

[@Chadfill8348]

It happens rarely and some of the bugs you need to do on your own, like rotating the camera afted you fall from the bike and land on a hill or jumping from a great height in the water to fall into the limbo

[@scarletnight4554]

Wait, they tried to erase any traces of the scandal? No wonder Atari went bankrupt, i think this is possibly one of the worst PR moves, a company can try to pull off

[@DyaMetR]

I miss this franchise. It should've NEVER have tried to compete against GTA. It's stupid, they're different genres.

[@BuzStringer]

Can't believe that you missed that Atari also did the same thing in March this year (2016) - Rollercoaster Tycoon World. it was supposed be released, Finished, on December 10, 2015, then delayed until March 2016 where it was released unfinished and broken hiding behind Steam "Early Access".

[@BlackStarGabusGaben]

Even if it wasn't a buggy mess, the lack of checkpoints, iffy on-foot sections and the very anti-climatic ending would mean it still would have been a huge disappointment.

[@nixnightbird138]

Respectfully, video gaming's first major scandal was the rushed, crap version of E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial that Atari pushed into the market, and then had to bury in the desert. They gave the developer (and I mean ONE GUY, not a studio) five and a half weeks to make it, and then rushed it out the door. They overproduced it, were slammed for the terrible game play, and were stuck with product they would never sell. The E.T. debacle was one of the major contributing factors in the great video game crash, and one of the primary reasons Atari never climbed back on top ever again.

[@GiordanDiodato]

considering it was made by one guy 6 weeks to make it, it's impressive honestly. And you can't say it's worse than Karate on the same console. If you do, you're probably high or like button mashing.

[@BackToFiction]

And of course it had to be Atari...

[@jamesonweimann4720]

Nix Nightbird still impressive that one guy made something in so little time even if it was a piece of crap

[@MegamanNG]

You can't deny that one guy, Howard Scott Warshaw had to do it. It is still impressive. It makes me wonder why Atari hasn't gone out of business though they did in 2013. I wished they stayed dead.

[@GiordanDiodato]

Probably due to the popularity of DBZ Budokai Tenkaichi and the billions of rereleased Atari software such as Centipede, etc.

[@Bittboy]

Driv3r may have been a commercial failure, but the fact that it's so buggy is what inspired me to get into reverse engineering and eventually become a software engineer myself. I learned a LOT from Driv3r. I managed to fix smaller bugs present on the PC version. I was pretty close to getting new models imported into the game (technically I could, but I couldn't settle on a model format), but I haven't had any motivation to continue. In a way, I've let down many people by promising to get shit done, but here we are _4 years_ after starting and I never did "finish" anything. It's a Driv3rgate within a Driv3rgate, so would that make it Driv3r3rgate?! Lol

[@Godofgaminguyz]

That would make it Driv3rgategate.

[@lpfan4491]

well,i think now its time to get shit done xD

[@Jrez]

Does anyone else see Larry's nose as a big toe in the cartoon image at the beginning? It's even got a toenail, it kinda weirds me out.

[@twizz420]

I remember everyone thought GTA3 was a Driver 2 ripoff.

[@ricky-sanchez]

I remember when everyone thought driver 2 was "the fake gta where you can't really get out of the vehicle."

[@ShinShadoWolf]

The shit that's happening today makes this scandal feel quaint.

[@WickedParanoid]

Only at that point in time it was nonsense, whereas now it's a common occurence.