The DroneTag broadcast RID module (the cheapest option?)

[@mpojr]

thanks AMA you did a great job protecting your members from unnecessary regulations l will remember that when dues are due next year.

[@iforce2d]

GPS sats are actually 20,000km away, it's amazing our cheap little receivers work at all

[@minkorrh]

Time. It's that accurate. They measure time and thats it.

[@AB-vc7ox]

unless it’s at all cloudy. My mini2 struggles with initial gps connection even on a clear day.

[@christi_L]

BS is the perfect name for this product.

[@Atom224]

Exactly what I thought 😂

[@flowstate_link]

YEP 👍

[@testpilotian3188]

The cheapest option is the “no” option.

[@picklefart]

Say it louder for the people in the back!

[@Mikeylikesit1968]

​@@picklefart NOOO!!!!!!

[@testpilotian3188]

@@picklefart NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

[@danmckenzie7400]

NOOOOO

[@ThatBigJeep]

NOOOO

[@Discopuss]

Our club applied for a FRIA last year. We keep checking on the status to find NO FRIA applications have even been reviewed yet. Ridiculous! Of course govt can't keep its own timelines...but watch what happens if you file your taxes a day late...

[@shawnzfpv]

They are rejecting FRIAs, but not approving that we've seen yet.

[@burntnougat5341]

They only care about taking money from the people for minimal returns

[@ulbuilder]

I submitted an application to reserve a registration number for the real aircraft I'm building on Jan 1st 2023. I called them to find out if my application was approved or not. Was told that I should expect them to get to it in about another month or two! They did at least confirm that the application is in their queue so it's not lost. When I did the same thing in 2017 for my previous build it was processed in just a couple of weeks. All the government agencies are grossly understaffed since the Wu Han Flu.

[@henryofskalitz2228]

They aren't understaffed they just don't like doing work dude

[@gringofett3944]

@@henryofskalitz2228 its not that, its that they are slow rolling everything to prevent having to actually approve them.

[@su_K3N]

If this is a real safety concern these should be provided by the faa for free.

[@p39483]

Sure. Here ya go. Only 300 grams and 50 watts.

[@flowstate_link]

They should pay you every time you fly with it and cover you for personal injury and any theft or general loss such as ransom / abductions. The corporations want to own the sky and to sell hers on cars to the elites and for the rest of us we will settle for delivered pizza and buzzing over our property parks and other outdoor areas……. Is the FAA going to be liable for a drone which drops down onto my property and breaks the roof? Is the Amazon or Zipline going to cover the cost of damage to property when they are sending large aircraft over our schools / churches / gardens / swimming pools / or deal with fires 🔥 and fire damage…. What about when a delivery drone fails over a motorway or a highway 🛣️….. FAA going to cover the damage and loss of life????? This is going to be a massive lawsuit liability or regular people in cars and those who can’t afford ambulance air lift services let alone medical insurance……. Imagine a zipline plane crashing into your car or into your child!!!! No one is safe!!!! FAA stop the madnesss!

[@spartan3299]

We already have comprehensive and robust sensors and in-flight data logging called telemetry. Telemetry is one of the great RC innovations that drew me back into RC motor gliding, multi-rotors, and FPV after a long hiatus from my favorite hobby. I had always been intrigued by telemetry from the time of the Apollo missions, all those monitors at mission control, the antenna field allowing bi-directional control and sensing. Telemetry helped make me more connected to my craft and improve its safety. And the RC hobby has obvious and overwhelming evidence, dare I say proof of its safety. As a safety officer, I found it pretty difficult finding a dozen incidents to study. Ok my concern primarily is directed at the lack of evidence that model aircraft have been or are now a threat to life, limb, security, privacy, the environment, safety....you name it. Where are the NTSB reports that drive such promulgation of rules, laws and restrictions replacing the common sense and best practices in our hobby that have made it the safest form of aviation since aviation was a thing. Congress didn't demand Remote ID. It demanded a safe and secure airspace. FAA, NTSB please rank statistically the threats to life, limb, family security and attack those with smart people, teams, tech, innovation, education, public awareness, demonstrations etc.. Off the top of my head...The aging transportation infrastructure, Continuing to allow high speed ground vehicles to share the same lane with those driving a speed limit and other ground transportation issues that hourly and actually and statistically injure and kill our family members and friends. In aviation do the same ranking, own it, change it, and start now. Damn the red tape. Listen to those innovative flight instructors who aren’t waiting on slow bureaucracy and who are currently teaching pilots how best not to die and or kill those on the ground. Also FAA, Please move your airspace up and out of our Living space, where we breath and work and play football, fly kites, and yes fly our balsa and plastic model aircraft. How much of our tax dollars over how many decades did the FAA and others spend in noise abatement. And now you trade that effort for lucrative industry visions of aviation nirvana involving swarms of noisy multi-rotors streaming overhead. Again , please move your airspace up above our living spaces. Altitude equals options….and time to assess systems, to evaluate choices, to prepare crew and passengers, time to make calculated decisions, prepare responders, allows increased range to the best landing place that avoids those living and working in their rightful airspace. Except for emergency, approach and the pattern, manned and unmanned commercial craft benefit from increased altitude. Ground dwellers benefit from the lower noise levels and yes allow model aviators generous space to fly their balsa and plastic creations while passing knowledge of such to the upcoming generation. Knowledge that includes safety, responsibility of our actions, following reasonable rules. Flight training involves all of these and so much more. We practice responses to occurrences that are common to flight. We learn about how weather affects flight and our decision to fly or not to. We also want national security, privacy and safety. We look out for one another and pull aside those who practice risky behavior. We do this to protect people, and also to protect the right and privilege to engage in such a great hobby and sport at all the various locations that are appropriate for flying whatever class of model. We also always have an eye and ear our for any aircraft that might even be close to colliding with our models. We react early and decisively to avoid any risk or collision. We are adept at this awareness because we practice it often. And as aviation enthusiasts, We notice aircraft, we look out for them, manned or UAV. If we saw someone demonstrating a risky flight we would stop and assess their actions, share our knowledge, and educate. We would inform the proper authorities if we recognized a hint of bad intent. And there is no other group who are better prepared to recognize such threats. Finally implement a reasonable shielded operation plan. Most multi-rotors and model aircraft are flying below cell and water towers, surrounding buildings and even tall trees. And keep manned aircraft above 500ft and 1000-1500 for safety and altitude to have time to act to live. FAA Plans For public safety and noise abatement please push your Airspace up above and out of the human's living and breathing space. After all It is our right to have living space to work, to serve, teach, be family, and enjoy the timeless pursuit of recreation, even flying our kites and model aircraft as for example in Shielded recreational operations . How much of our tax dollars over how many decades has the FAA spent on noise abatement only to dream of running a web of multirotor light to heavy lift aircraft streaming and screaming over our heads. Manned and commercial aircraft will always be needed, but will require separation as well as integration. Separation laterally and in altitude so as to improve the quality of life of the peoples this tech is developed to serve. And separation in altitude and route in case of the eventual aircraft failure, pilot error, bird strike, or medical emergency. In order to give the souls on board and the people below the statistically proven best chance of survival, usable altitude and a safe route are keys to safety. For about 100 years model aviation has been proven to be the safest forms of aviation. And I agree Bad Actors will use drones. They will not display their ID and location. But placing the burden of installing remote devices on their balsa , foam and plastic model planes does not satisfy public safety nor does it improve national security. Primarily and most importantly, modelers use model aviation to teach aeronautics, safety, construction techniques and craftsmanship and as well teach doing no harm and good citizenship.

[@Pooua]

Nobody is going to read this.

[@dronetag]

Hey Bruce, thanks a lot for your comment on our latest offering. We completely agree with the points you mentioned. But let us add a few remarks to the discussion. 1) We are working on the transferability between multiple aircraft. It is just something we don't focus on in the early stage. Perhaps, we will release a 3D model that pilots can print / buy and use the Velcro to move the unit around. 2) You don't necessarily need to use the antennas we listed on our e-shop. You can use any copper tube antenna for 2.4 GHz, which most modelers have at home and just buy the GPS antenna of your preference (patch, one with adhesive, or just one that will hang around). Keep in mind that we don't manufacture the antennas and we just resell them. So in reality, we are just covering our costs of repackaging them and managing the inventory + operations. 3) We do believe the $50 mark is feasible. Just not for us as a small company mainly targeting enterprise solutions. If we were able to purchase an inventory of tens of thousands of units, we could do that. But at this stage, there are no guarantees for us in this hobby industry. Let's keep the BS now as a benchmark and maybe someone else might come and beat it with better features and business model. If you have some further questions, speculations or remarks, just reach out to me and I will be glad to transparently discuss intentions and product roadmap. Lukas from Dronetag

[@Jay-zc7iq]

Shove your tag where the sun doesn’t shine , off to fly in peace & in private! Your nothing but a skid mark in the underpants of rc.

[@mal6232]

Sorry Lukas, but how can you sit there with a straight face and claim you are struggling to make a profit at $89. Perhaps you could justify a higher pricetag if you are using some fancy GPS module or MCU, if you tell me what GPS module and MCU you are using I might change my mind but as it stands at the moment the component parts to manufacture your drone tag is around $15.... and that is one off prices inc delivery.

[@RC-Flight]

Due too the high cost of these modules and antennas, I’m going to protect mine by completely wrapping it in tin foil, that should do the job!

[@flowstate_link]

You will need more than tin foil to protect yourself from these mega-corporations. Greedy executives you can drown in *iss

[@shootingsportstransparency7461]

Keep on the good work Bruce

[@SueMyChin]

Hey Bruce, you should do a review of the mobile phone apps that spoof a remote ID signal. You could set it to broadcast your position without any hardware on your quad or just spoof another location entirely so anyone looking for the pilot is sent somewhere else.

[@b3owu1f]

What's this now.. links please..

[@SueMyChin]

@@b3owu1f I can't remember the name of it and quick google I only found this DroneID_Throwie but essentially because there were no transmitters on the market devs made a phone app to spoof the signal for testing receivers. I was told about it in a comment section of one of the Xjet videos.

[@wearemany73]

Alas, I don’t have or plan to have any spare electricity on my models. 🤷‍♂️

[@billflynn6903]

I am working hard to be the FIRST American Discovered Without this tech. I have a good Attorney.

[@slapdat.byteme]

Gonna have to get in line behind me! 🤣

[@iwontreplybacklol7481]

Salute you sir! I will fly safely the way I have done for two decades without a single incident to life or property.

[@doctorditman]

Such brave talk until it happens to you and you have to pay the fine AND attorney's fees. Join the crybaby club.

[@tedmoss]

That's not an antenna on that module, it is an antenna connector made for use several times before it breaks.

[@MadDragon75]

B.S. is right. 😂 At least they're honest about it.

[@cup_and_cone]

If the FAA wants me to use an RFID module, then the FAA better send me one. I'm not [literally] buying into this BS.

[@burntnougat5341]

Well said

[@Jay-zc7iq]

Yea we need to come together not even review this bs , when is this hobby going to come together! Yo ya think this will end here ? Wake up people wake the fuck up , we’re good people responsible people, they track phones , internet, when you shop when you drive , I’m flying in peace & in private, and that’s how it’s going to stay , they’ll have to prize my tx from my cold dead hand before I comply !

[@torpedoLaw]

Same here. Send one free.

[@slapdat.byteme]

Yup, send one free. So I can attach it to my dog’s collar.

[@MCsCreations]

Oh well. Here we go... Thanks, Bruce! Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊

[@berndm9743]

IF I decide to play this game, I would only get one of these and use Velcro to attach the module and antenna to my various airplanes, all of which are at least 1.2m in size. .

[@slapdat.byteme]

IF I decide to play this game, I’m attaching one of these modules to the underside of the airline seat in front of me.

[@henryofskalitz2228]

Lol

[@bunfighter]

You missed the price of the cables and possibly the *cough* 3M adhesive pads. Great video, thanks!

[@MikeHammer1]

And tax and shipping too!

[@FINNIUSORION]

I haven't counted how many planes I have in years lol. Over a hundred. Most of them built by me with help from myself. I cycle them out and don't fly some for years at a time. This would make it so much more difficult for me to have a quick field day without spending an entire day just getting ready switching out these stupid trackers. I don't believe I will be complying. Which means I might as well stop paying ama too. I'm going to be an outlaw rc pilot. I'm sure there's going to be loads.

[@foellerd]

The law isnt even talked about in the news. I've never seen an enforceable important law be forced upon the people without loads of coverage to inform people. The fact that it isn't talked about mainstream says all we need to know about it. Nobody cares.

[@m3g4byte]

Those flexy Antenova and Taoglas antennas are very tuning dependent on what they’re adhered to. Will make a good $60 dummy load on a carbon frame.

[@sullytrny]

I've got the BS for recreation and the pass through one for a cube orange stem research. Both work perfect, shipping is 20 usd @ 3-5 days to america

[@dadandkids5028]

Imagine the outcry if cyclists had to carry a remote ID.

[@lightbulbjim]

Not remote ID, just ID.

[@iwontreplybacklol7481]

Imagine the outcry if when someone bought alcohol at the store and just to carry it in their car even sealed, they would have to broadcast their location, speed, use of turn signals, lights, mirror adjustments and use of two hands on the wheel and personal identification to law enforcement real time.

[@minkorrh]

Good call. I would hesitate a guess and say there are a thousand times more incidents between motorists and cyclists, each at equal fault.

[@Voyajer.]

@@minkorrh I don't like the idea of throwing one hobby under the bus for the other.

[@ianwalton284]

I think kids need to put remote ID on their baseballs and footballs. Many more people are injured by stray children balls than are hurt by stray drones. And lawnmowers too.

[@flowstate_link]

Thank you for this informative video!!!

[@Nkkdxn45j]

24 to 30 insertion cycles would be good. I saw one data sheet where the female part rated insertion cycles was 1. Ie, it was intended for internal assembly fit and forget.

[@larryblanks6765]

I pre-ordered my skyID from spectrum and it cost $74.00 and I can transfer it to any spectrum reciever in my planes. I have the same recievers in all my planes. I already have GPS MODULE'S in all my planes so I can use the models existing GPS module's for my antenna. Easy peasy!

[@heeder777]

The FAA along with the FCC will do a rule change next year that will require a special RFID radio operators license to operate an RFID transmitter. But don't worry, the online school will only cost you $200.00, the initial operator permit fee will be $175.00 with an annual renewal of $100 and the annual refresher operators course will be $75. Of course, there will be a commenting period where hundreds of thousands of citizens reject the rule but those will be ignored by the FAA/FCC in the name of safety.

[@Paulman50]

They need to be manufactured with a single multi pin plug on them. Plug and go style.

[@mytubehkjt]

The legislation says it needs to be fitted. Does it say it needs to work?

[@BillHerring-nh5th]

You can make up "pigtails". The pigtails have your 30/time connectors on one end, and a reusable connector on the other side. You could even glue the 30/time connectors into your module to prevent then from being pulled apart. Those who are more electronic savoy will remove the connectors from the modules and replace them with pigtail connectors.

[@p39483]

This will hold us over until the FAA changes the spec again. Then we'll have to buy updates.

[@blanksender7808]

The beauty of living in the US is that I'm "free" to say fuck all and ignore this BS (which I will).

[@doctorditman]

Yes. That is just what all crybabies usually do.

[@ThatBigJeep]

2:13 "choose your time" I choose never!

[@DDsAerialViews]

The team over at Dronetag are really trying to be the premier RID module company. I have the BS coming; I've covered everything else they've put out so far, the Mini and the Beacon. The Beacon is the best, self-contained and has own power and can be easily changed from aircraft to aircraft. Price is a bit stiff $200. Probably the best we're going to get as far as size and functionality. The FAA would make this all a lot easier if they just remove the ground station location. The information being broadcast from the module or aircraft should be enough.

[@b3owu1f]

Would be better if they just made it so only police/faa can locate rid... I don't think the community would be nearly as angry (and many laving the hobby) if we didn't have to now worry about all the nut jobs with guns that can just randomly find pilots and cause problems/harm/death. That.. and the cost/weight to have to put these on our drones. This one at least looks small enough to fit/be out of way on 5"+ sized drones.

[@BaracW]

I found the cheapest self contained unit is Holy Stone HSRID01, at 89. I'd love to see you review this, Bruce, and let us know if it's a viable option.

[@PhillyDroneLife]

Hello Bruce. Nice to see ya. Ok let me learn something... 💙💙💙💙💙 Mikey

[@acf2802]

I fly drones without remote ID and I always will. Come at me, bro!

[@slapdat.byteme]

FAA can go pound sand.

[@iwontreplybacklol7481]

They will never be able to find you and cops would care less tbh.

[@thebridgeninja]

Good stuff

[@tramsgar]

No matter, just refuse. One day, the line has to be drawn. Do you want to draw it now, or later when we must wear a leach when leaving the house?

[@davidkepley4396]

Leaches? That's so 18th century...

[@iwontreplybacklol7481]

@@davidkepley4396 haha, leaches on your balls as mandated by the gov.

[@flowstate_link]

The line is drawn!!!!!!!!!!! It has already been stepped over

[@camshaft74]

DroneTag B^ll Sh*t simply brilliant !!!!!

[@davidwebb4904]

We don’t want RID, so stop promoting it.

[@RemarkXer]

In my 20+ years of making and crashing planes I have never spent anything close to 100$ (regular price + antenna) on a single component that will definitely hit the ground at an impressive speed and I have no intention of changing that just because some bureaucrats wanted to give themselves more to do.

[@vegetalko]

Only justification would be for this, would be operating drones in towns which you can't anyway. With the new rules for czechia we have been thrown to only one place (model airplane airfield) we can fly legally in 20km radius. Honestly I don't know why I couldn't fly 300g parkflyer under 20m because there are buildings in 100m radius... the glide ratio on that is so small it would crash to ground anyway...

[@WillyFPV]

Velcro is a good tool to mount and remount modules. We"ll see.

[@Username-qx9gk]

Those tiny UFL/IPEX connectors are rated for 30 cycles, which in reality means one or two

[@WillyFPV]

@@Username-qx9gk I would take the antennas with the module

[@TheRocksRocketGuys]

Most of what I fly are fixed wing planes built from DollarTree foamboard with cheap electronics. The cost of one of these modules is about double what the aircraft itself cost. It’s ridiculous.

[@GhostRyderFPV]

@ 4:10 Begrudgingly, I think that's an awesome feature (to have the GPS sensor on your Remote ID module act as your FC's GPS, too). Still...

[@georgemaccrone6147]

All of my models identify as weighing less then 249 grams.

[@jaysonrees738]

Don't fat shame my aircraft, sir!

[@lightbulbjim]

I wonder if someone like Horizon Hobby will mass produce a budget RID module?

[@garypaisley]

The Chinese surely will bail us out again

[@iwontreplybacklol7481]

Yea, it will be as good as their blade helicopters and other junk, lmfao

[@OpenCarryUSMC]

About half through. No mention of the “taxes” that were over $40 for the drone tag beacon (16 grams) when I went to back order one earlier today.

[@undergrounddroneleague]

It’s a $10 module they’re charging $50 for because nobody else has one this small and there’s a panic for pilots to get something. This looks like something any beginner could design in easyeda. They will be a dime a dozen by September. And dronetag knows this. That’s why they’re pressuring you to buy now with the threat of the $90 price tag. $10 might be a bit of an exaggeration but I highly doubt its cost is gonna be significantly higher than current gps units. I foresee the “high end” or “premium ones” coming in at $20 or $30 max.

[@ingmarm8858]

This will be a giant rort. Modellers will be ripped off at every opportunity. $49USD on that represents probably 500-800% markup over an inflated estimate of a build cost. A name brand GNSS chipset (eg a NEO module) with antenna is about $3-5AUD in single qty and a typical BT SOC to control it all another $2-4AUD assuming aircraft power is available then power management maybe another $1-2. I haven't read the FAA spec but it is just BT I assume. "$49USD is below cost" bwhahaha. If you had someone in the US hand making them and you were paying a decent wage then sure but an offshore PCB and fab house will churn them out at fractions of that and quantity will make up for the R&D investment. For $25AUD you can buy a 4G/LTE GPS tracker and that is an order of magnitude more complex. An Apple AirTag compatible tracker retails for $2.50AUD lol.

[@iwontreplybacklol7481]

And then its like, where does the rip off stop..one day you will need to pay a monthly subscription to be monitored. No thanks!

[@Simon-Edwards]

@RCModelReviews Is your Pi ADS-B Alarm coming soon, please Bruce? I've not been able to spot it on the website yet. Thanks. 🙂

[@kirkglundal4289]

What are the voltage requirements? Might have to wire in a regulator as well if the only power source is the flight battery which could be as low as 3.8V and as high as 8.4V or even higher depending

[@woogieman02]

Umm...how about NO. This is completely unenforceable, just like the $5 fee a few years ago was.

[@b3owu1f]

So if a cop/faa shows up, asks to weigh your drone.. and then cites you for not having remote id.. what will you do?

[@woogieman02]

@Kevin Duffey that will never happen. The cops are not going to enforce this because they already can't enforce the laws there are, let alone the man power that would be required to do all these "checks". How many times have you been flying and a cop walks up and questions you? Willing to bet never, as this is all a non issue

[@ctvxl]

I don't think it is something they will proactively enforce. It will just be another card they can play whenever anyone with a model aircraft does something to annoy someone. Flying at the local park, and Karen complains? Where is your remote ID? Flying in your back yard, and Karen next door calls the cops? Here' s a fine for not being RID compliant... etc... I don't see them driving around to club fields and issuing fines routinely. If they do try that at our field while I am there, you will probably read about it in the news.

[@slapdat.byteme]

@@b3owu1fI’ll wake up… because that scenario would only happen if I’m dreaming.

[@iwontreplybacklol7481]

@@b3owu1f lock the rc model in the car and use your right to remain silent. Let them do all the work to find out.

[@stevendegiorgio3143]

Nobody mentions that joining an R/C model flying club is NOT a solution,most clubs require you to register your models and have the number affixed somewhere on the ouside of the model.I feel this is stupid.I found this out last summer when I visited a local model club.The members sound like they actually favor all the FAA regulations.I was disapointed when I left and drove away.

[@izzlate]

I'm going to make my own antennas for it.....50ohm resister + ufl = Done!!

[@toastrecon]

Now it's 90 Euro for the cheapest "BS" option. Another thing they could have done: allowed it to be open sourced. Push it to something like ESP32 or ESP8266 where there are a ton of cheap dev boards. Push the Arduino firmware with the right config, and done for like $15.

[@minkorrh]

I live in Canada and I've seen them talking about implementing this. Good luck on me signing up, paying any fine, or complying in any way. I fly for fun in a safe and controlled manner away from people and in solitude if at all possible. The only damage I will ever do is to my wallet with a lost quad. I'm really starting to understand why other countries hate the west.

[@Pooua]

Remember what Trudeau did to the truckers.

[@jlarson42]

Great overview of this rid BS model. Yeah, it's useless to me. All it's got going for it is it's small. It's not transferable, it's not self contained, it's not easy to install, especially for fpv drones. So, no thank you. Happy flying everyone. 🤓

[@samjohnson9894]

If bluetooth is onboard, and that alone satisfies the reg, then keep it PAN-only range for ID and use a separate GPS. Why plug in any additional antennas to that particular module?

[@AxleFoley]

Cuz Bruce likes to make bad faith arguments.

[@DelDredd]

It has no antennas on that module they sell them seperate.

[@flyinghorsedrone5376]

Wow! Thank you for filling in the blanks on this! I will probably contact the FAA and ask; Why do you think this can be done for $50?

[@mal6232]

I built one for ~$15. A Quectel l80-R $7.63 and a seeed studio xaio esp321c3 for $5.99. Admittedly it was running a French remoteID firmware but I don't see why it wouldn't run the US firmware...I think I will have to build another to try it out. I can't tell which mcu the Dronetag device uses but the DroneBeacon uses an esp32c3 so that should work.

[@flowstate_link]

$100 plus shipping!!!!!!

[@flowstate_link]

When they are in stock!!!!!

[@flowstate_link]

Which they won’t be!!!!

[@flowstate_link]

Or won’t we be suing the FAA!!!

[@PeterA650]

I would design such a module with built-in chip antennas and call it a day. I have already miniaturized GNSS for a different design and it works amazingly well with a proper matching network. Adding a 2.4GHz chip antenna for BLE would be trivial.

[@WackFPV]

Well this device ain't fully complaint, you need to broadcast your transmitter gps location. Also good luck mounting all those antennas on your apex's! I legit tried FAA, I tried!!!

[@MrJackHackney]

It’s FAA approved so good enough for me!

[@WackFPV]

I love how a China made RID gets approved when DJI gets banned cuz of privacy concerns. Lmao, it’s like the FAA is huffing paint!

[@kevingrainger2530]

My Dear Bruce, The next generation of remote I.D will be fitted to vehicles. The more advanced we become, the less freedom we'll have. Take care mate.

[@haydenblack967]

Are we really advancing if we are losing freedoms?

[@vonSchwartzwolfe]

You mean like onstar and the other vehicle tracking and help systems??

[@kevingrainger2530]

@@haydenblack967 Sir, Thank you for your reply. Authorities are always looking for ways to monitor you. Everyone is a risk. Go and fly in International waters and you won't need Remote I.D. Regards, Kev.

[@flowstate_link]

Yes the modern cars have remote ID in terms of internet connectivity. What happens when there is a flaw found in Bluetooth again and someone writes code which flys all drones in range into the ground or maybe worse as high as they can go!!!!! Then when the battery runs out they fall to the sky. The sky is falling !!!!! This is insanity….. I thought it was bad that we have computers and cell phones tracking us 24/7. But when someone manages to gain access to the connected FC this is going to end badly!!!!!

[@asherdie]

Compliance with tyranny is death.

[@dieterweik6858]

If Dronetag fails in flight, how are you going to know?

[@mpojr]

answer ,,,you wont,,,

[@TheAirplaneDriver]

When the FAA shows up with guns drawn shooting at your airplane. Then, once the plane is down and the "threat" to society neutralized, they will turn their their guns on you. Then you will know.

[@AB-vc7ox]

I been wondering what a tape head demagnetizer might do to these before installation.

[@SplendidVids]

After submitting the extensive FRIA application data the FAA has kindly updated our flying club's FRIA application status as denied for the following reasons. Reason/Justification: The request submitted encompasses areas where the public may gather or regularly transit such as public buildings, roads, and parking areas, and may pose a risk to persons and property on the ground [14 CFR § 89.215(c), AC 89-3 Section 7.4] None of those items listed are in our submitted FRIA submission. We fly over fields and woods with access via a non-public, locked, gated dirt road. However, if you look at the FAA-approved FRIA in Florida many are inside controlled airspace some limited to max flight altitudes of 100 feet, include flying over private homes and busy paved roads but of course, these are ROTC high school sites and other government-funded sites. Definitely double standards here FAA, get a grip and I suggest you focus on preventing manned aircraft crashes rather than on messing with R/C toy enthusiasts with regulations that make no sense and don't improve safety in any way.

[@excaliburfpv9113]

Civil disobedience works!

[@iwontreplybacklol7481]

The alcohol prohibition of a our time!

[@joeshmo5399]

Demand for 249 gram drones just went up:)

[@Deaner3D]

DLGs reign supreme!

[@b3owu1f]

That's why I bought the new Lumenier nano qav pro. Hoping to be able to get it under 250.

[@MrJackHackney]

Way up!

[@TradieTrev]

Agreed those antenna connectors are rubbish, screwed a few up in my time Bruce!

[@billyrebcollins9615]

is there a Remote ID Module compatible with Fly Sky FS-ia6B or FS-ia10B receivers?

[@brandonpurdy7658]

Wasn't that estimate by the FAA before the rise of inflation. I will not comply.

[@richardruckert7954]

I wonder if our older drones will become more valuable after the rule goes into effect.

[@b3owu1f]

How so? They too will be required to have remote id if > 250g.

[@richardruckert7954]

@@b3owu1f right. I forgot

[@torpedoLaw]

The knowledge to put together your own will go up! Build your own.

[@richardruckert7954]

@@torpedoLaw I already do. Fpv. However unless under 250g, they are subject to remote I'd, as well.

[@slapdat.byteme]

@@b3owu1f”Required” and “actually have” are not synonymous.

[@davidwebb4904]

Wh6 not start promoting hacks instead? Like how to disable built in RID

[@spartan3299]

If the FAA wants to know our model and pilot location they could easily listen in to our telemetry. Add a cheap gps to our aircraft and transmitter and there you go. done.

[@eddiea7795]

Thanks. This is device idea is absurd!

[@NiCadHeliPilot]

Put this on one of the following helicopters: • Goblin RAW 420 • GooSky RS4 • OMPHOBBY M2 EVO • OMPHOBBY M4 ...& just for shits & giggles (& to prove a point), put it on a Goblin Helicopters Kraken 700S or RAW 700. ...& yes, I want to see if this is possible to put one of these RID modules in any helicopters (doesn't have to be the ones I mentioned here. I only said these helicopters, because they are fairly recent aircraft).

[@CharlesSmithGetOutTruth]

I won't comply with it period....catch me if you can 😆

[@Siamect]

I just cannot imagine the mentality of those terrible people developing and selling these garbage modules. Such a completely destructive activity! They should really be ashamed of themselves!

[@officialfanofrichiebricker8324]

Hey Peeps! Are You aware of the sale price? Only $325 Today!!! Pickup 2 theyre cheap

[@Nkkdxn45j]

Regardless of the cost, mounting, security concerns etc, one thing I wonder about is the effect on the normal onboard receiver. I think the FAA requirement is that these things must be maximised for range. Since it is Bluetooth or WiFi, that presumably means at the least to be using max allowed power, which (I think) in each case is 100mW. Again, (I think) Bluetooth is 2.4g spread spectrum, as are most people's radios, WiFi is fixed channel 2.4g or 5g - but 5g would have less range. From what I read, these things are likely to be mainly Bluetooth, therefore sharing the 2.4g band. In theory, it shouldn't conflict with the normal Rx Comms except as a slight effective increase in noise floor, because the hopping patterns will be different, in the same way that multiple users share the same band with no issue. However, there's a big difference, multiple users are fairly much physically spaced most of the time. Here we have a 2.4g RID Tx blasting away at maximum power very close to a sensitive 2.4g receiver. Even with a different hopping pattern, channel isolation isn't perfect and I'd expect some leakage channel to channel. Therefore, I wouldn't be surprised if people find their normal range has decreased somewhat. But, time will tell. I am sure the FAA as a responsible regulator will have fully tested this.

[@Username-qx9gk]

Where did you read they would be mainly Bluetooth? I can't imagine them actually settling on anything a cell tower couldn't communicate with..

[@Nkkdxn45j]

@@Username-qx9gk the rule seems to allow either. Just that stuff I have read seems to mention Bluetooth more often, though time will show. If network ID comes back, then clearly Bluetooth won't do, but I expect the FAA would have no qualms with saying "buy this new thing". However, whether WiFi (fixed channel) or Bluetooth, I think the same effect is likely to apply due to channel bleed/spillover, or at least there's a risk of it. WiFi 5g would obviously be better, though possibly it would adversely affect digital FPV, of the types which are closed loop.

[@Username-qx9gk]

@@Nkkdxn45j Maybe their idea is more of an tile/airtag type deal, what they really want is our cellphones ping the mothership on power up so they can overeact accordingly

[@vonSchwartzwolfe]

@@Username-qx9gk It either Bluetooth or WiFi for RID, nothing to do with cell phones or towers. They dropped the net ID idea because of the cell dead zones so many people fly RC aircraft in.

[@Username-qx9gk]

@@vonSchwartzwolfe Cell dead zones basically don't exist anymore. Either it's the thin end of a wedge, or the Bluetooth has (or will have) features you're not being told about. Otherwise they would have scrapped the whole idea long ago

[@crystalclearwindowcleaning3458]

Not only the cost is a problem but how will these modules affect the way my aircraft flies. On my smaller planes it will be a significant amount of weight.

[@swissfreek]

So, it's $50 on special from this company, which appears to be Czech, and we don't know where it's made. And yet a US a company claimed they could have a US-made solution for $50? Clearly they were either on drugs or lying.

[@vegetalko]

I found why it is czechia company. It was made as an startup of one student from czechia college... 50USD seems like appropriate price for separate components, but even then it is stupid.... I think the initial reason for this company wasn't drone tagging but rather drone gps logging, and the reason why there is no US company is that they can't make it cheaper for production....

[@CrawlersCampRc]

Will you be able to use this for remote id only hooking up just power and don't have to hook up to flight controller? And also I heard this will only support 4s batteries have to hook up to bec.

[@JM-jk9vz]

I wrote my senator about this. Everyone needs to contact their reps and make a formal complain regarding this new rule. Complaining about it on YT does nothing.

[@supergreg72]

10 years ago was the best time to be a RC modeler! Then I guess it was the misuse of multi rotors that scared our governments and no they are killing the hobby. Sad!

[@borgonianevolution]

Its funny you STILL believe this has ANYTHING to do with safety or the fact all the shitbird DJI users are the reason. This is NOTHING but corpo sponsored politicians setting up their corpo sponsor's with another form of profit nothing more nothing less.

[@craigjordan3739]

LOL, Seems the manufacturers maybe sitting on a lot of RID's.

[@kerrymillar4981]

So if i fly into a aircraft with remote will it stop my quad being damaged and not get into any trouble?

[@jotham123]

Most recreational craft don't even have a transponder, yet we must have one 😂

[@DigitalCruzer]

Well, do we need to comply if i cant get a $50 self contained broadcast module my drone can carry? Well I'm not...

[@TheBagOfHolding]

I want a flight controller that erases all data when it crashes or turns off like ram only.

[@nmfireman]

I think on Bardwells review they were saying this is only good with 4S batteries I’m assuming someone will have a solution for this so we can use it on our 6S quads

[@cinemoriahFPV]

Voltage regulator.

[@nmfireman]

@@cinemoriahFPV actually, they say I can just wire it to any 5 volt pad

[@flowstate_link]

Just omit it into 6S batt voltage that will sort it out… I have remote ID!!!!

[@thirtythreeeyes8624]

Frankly I think the whole remote ID thing is BS even if it was $10 they can suck it, $90 is absolutely insane to put on quads that might cost $200 or a plane that's $100 or less for some builds, FTFAA!!!

[@ongkimchoon7383]

Simply put. If you can own and fly 5 models or 1 turbine powered model say all regulators around the world, with exception to Japan, then pay if you want to stay in the hobby. The lesser modelers, the lesser headache, lesser reports to look into, lesser prosecution, etc.

[@MrJackHackney]

Sub 250 gram drones are going to rule the day for hobbyists. They will continue to evolve with better features cameras etc….

[@torchwork8651]

Could an INS setup work for their requirements?

[@billbollinger7305]

Well I Kno a lot of flyers and not one is going to get these. Even rc field were I fly not doing it.

[@iwontreplybacklol7481]

Dont comply! Stick together my rc flyer friends!

[@HDTube101]

👍

[@Walkerjet200]

My airborne rc-projects have turned into "unacknowledged black" rc-projects. (Oh... shouldn't have said that :-)

[@glowplug4762]

You just can't make this stuff up. I buy a third hand 10oz foamy RTF at the local R/C club's flea market. Fly at a family members farm 75 miles from an airport, 5 miles to the nearest town, & a1/4 mile from the nearest neighbor but it will cost about $100 to be in "compliance"...............🤣🤣