The Duality Of Supercell...

The Duality Of Supercell...

[@ajaychauhan6560]

CC and CR are fundamentally different. CC always looks for more ways to make the game interesting. In the years I've played, they added builder base, clan wars, raid weekends and so much new content. CR tries to keep the game the same way it is, very rarely adding new content in order to push people to pay money on trophy road and clan races.

[@lillyie]

COC is also more f2p friendly while gems and magic items does skip progress, you still have to learn how to attack. you cant 3 star every base with just one attack strategy as every base you meet has a different layout and require a new strategy. and even if you do find a base stronger than yours, not a problem. click next or attack something lower if its a clan war and let a higher level teammate take care of it not the case for clash royale. strategy means jackshit when your opponent's musketeer is one level higher than your fireball and can survive it

[@ShokyoLeaf]

its not CC its COC! get it right!

[@ThePrimeYeeter]

​@@ShokyoLeafyou're wrong 🔥 it's CC

[@Mullaloo]

@@ThePrimeYeeter cc is clan castle

[@incomplet1396]

in coc new levels are exciting, in cr its just unfair

[@lillyie]

clash of clans: increases price of gold pass, offers more rewards clash royale: adds new tier of pass royale, takes away rewards

[@chaoticchargewars]

The new rewards in coc is useless extra 2$ for no reason

[@rw4210]

@@chaoticchargewars still better than clash royale

[@lillyie]

@@chaoticchargewars still better than taking rewards away

[@swagiichu]

@@chaoticchargewars free 10M gold and elixir in the season bank for BB, an extra rune in the pass, decorations for home village and clan capital, auto forge slot are not ''useless'' and the extra $2 increase is because of inflation - not item inflation, ik pixels on a screen can't be affected by IRL inflation, but i'm referring to the wages/costs for CoC to run as a company and game effectively.

[@destroyercrush1052]

@@swagiichuagreed

[@GL3DE]

My opinion about each of the games: Clash of Clans: Progression friendly, no brutal mistakes yet. Boom Beach: Great game but hard to understand for new players. Hay Day: It is at its peak in a while. Underrated and performing well. Brawl Stars: Progression friendly, active community and fun with friends. Clash Royale: No need to write anything.

[@lillyie]

imo the only brutal mistake of coc is the first iteration of builder base. being limited to 3 attacks with loot a day isnt that fun and while loot in bb is still slow, its certainly better than what we had before.

[@ChrisPtoes27]

@@lillyieI feel like it wasn’t too brutal of a mistake though because old bb was still fun at early levels but nothing changed at higher ones. For instance with the home village the higher you level, the more content you unlock and easier it is to get loot. If old builder base wasn’t completely time locked or pay to beat, then it wouldn’t be bad. Also it just got too repetitive which was a main issue

[@Hagurmert]

@@kamelsmatti4039that wasnt a mistake personally

[@yapperbird]

@@kamelsmatti4039 nah its removed for good althought its a little bit sad

[@Lol-zc1vd]

Clash of clans waiting for 1 month to build a building

[@TheQuackinator]

I believe that Clash of Clans is closer to being pay 2 lose than pay 2 win, not just from a resources and progression standpoint (a new player who whaled their way to max town hall level will now have to learn the game playing against people who have learned the game and it's strategies for years, if not over a decade), but also from a "fun" standpoint, the journey to a maxed base IS the game, slowly watching your base expand and evolve is one of the main parts of the game and I'd imagine that you'd lose interest in the game very quick after that

[@donstan9392]

supercell really didnt want another clash royale situation

[@dawidsmigielski1232]

this why rushing is bad

[@zombathinlostleghackercat5233]

It's because a village shares and is caring, while a kingdom with a king is greedy and hordes.

[@Blockbustah]

Supercell going the canon ways

[@Howardax]

Clearly you've never had to deal with an incompetent or greedy local council then lol Also, unless the King you're describing is an Ork Warboss leading a Waaaagh!, hordes aren't really a thing. *Hoarding* wealth, however, is very much still a thing ;P

[@cowhorse4146]

*hoards

[@Crxnkyy]

@@Blockbustah lmao

[@serenealwong298]

Personally, i think brawl is the most F2P, there was literally like 2 upd that was all about making it f2p. Even the premium pass was excessible by gems which f2p players could access. And pwr lvls are very balanced as a pwr 9 could easily beat a pwr 11(max) if the player was using a decent brawler. I think gems for the premium passes for CR and CC would be an incredible addition for f2p

[@bambooniballs16]

Yeah the most pay to win thing about brawl stars is that it doesn’t let you get gems in premium pass, so you have to wait like 3-4 seasons to afford it everytime

[@totallynotdope7671]

They also maked all skins free to buy with a new free to play currency

[@joudkahwaji6369]

​@@bambooniballs16 every second season can be bought by a f2p player

[@pro-ankit1234]

​@@bambooniballs16 It can Be Brought Every two season mate.

[@Zafar_Askarov]

​@bambooniballs16 Bro i have been playing since 2019. I have one f2p and another account where i purchased gems. The difference between them isn't that big considering the fact that i play in p2w account a way more. Also i bought ever other battle pass by just saving gems. Its true that brawl stars was a bit p2w when lvl 11 was introduced but then they released really good updates which fixed issues and made progress easier.

[@hecate7]

Pass Royale: 5.99€, new season every month Brawl Pass: 169 gems, worth over 10 times the value, seasons last well over two months, giving time to let you make your money well worth spent. Deals in Clash Royale: Often cost money, giving you a good chest, some gold, and some other fancy stuff Deals in Brawl Stars: Occasionally cost money, with most of the other rewards being gem or bling prices, often good deals that cut prices. Tower Skins: Rarely don't cost money Brawler Skins: Only once cost money Probably a bit innacurate, consideing I haven't played CR in a long time, but I think you get the point.

[@GuyThePerson]

You're more accurate than you think, the only inaccurate part is "good chest" Idk if I'm just unlucky but i swear they give you like 2 epics at most

[@gloweyegaming7887]

Brawl stars making the least amount of money out of all of them, yet still trying to making it f2p.

[@malignantpootis213]

I returned to Clash of Clans for its tenth anniversary and haven't stopped since. Before that I played back in 2015-2017, but stopped after I got stuck halfway though th8 (since troops used to not be free to train like they are presently), but the fact that I made it to th11 in a year playing on and off and spending around 100$ on gold passes and occasional shop offers blew my expectations away with how fast the early game became. The rest I spent on hero skins and sceneries. The new Gold Pass (even for the inflation adjustment) is great and gave f2p's more rewards as compensation. What really hurts me about Clash Royale is I've played it since the first day of global launch and experienced its decline after 2017. I used to spend a lot on it until level 14 and champions were introduced which was the last straw for me with spending money on it and the Update for Losers made me quit for good. I spent hours a day on CR practicing an original deck only to have power creep out the wazoo ruin any odds I had of achieving success. The duality between the games comes from both the respect for their playerbase's money and their monetary incentives. The CoC team learned their lesson the hard way after the TH11 update when they removed TH sniping and after the Witch broke the game for a second time. 2016 would extensively fix lots of the loot issues present at that time, and over the years after would gradually reduce troop prices until nowadays where there is no risk to being a bad attacker other than losing trophies. In addition to the plethora of handy new things every player has gotten that I'd be exhausted from talking about in-depth. I look at CR updates these days as terrible sports teams always getting first rounds picks just to repeatedly shoot themselves in the foot and learn nothing from multiple seasons of tanking, whether intentional or not. The only "Players" that will even stick around in CR's foreseeable dark future are rich whales who will always be able to afford overpriced shop offers and the gutted diamond pass that no one asked for. If they had never put the Book of Books in the pass to begin with, the game wouldn't be in the crisis it's in now.

[@BLET_55artem55]

Content creators are the thing that had carried CoC through it's dark ages tbh. In CR they've tried, but had ultimately failed at that and now are just shetting on the game with the rest of community

[@sajjadahmad2418]

I ain't readin all that

[@ayowdf]

I think if they hadn’t made mistake with diamonds pass I would still be playing this dumpster

[@mczkygamingofficial]

00:23 I'll stop there for awhile. I quite agree,coc is totally f2p friendly, coz it wont force you to spend cash unless you want some just for you to be satisfied with it. I played cr before I guess but didnt enjoyed it,and so,making it as more of p2w game is reasonable since theres coc for f2ps. I enjoy coc tbh,the hardship gives you fun,and sadness when you dont have gems or boosters to boost anything.

[@swapniljoshi8650]

I won't say it does not force u to cause when u pay in the game the time saved is huge but and u buying stuff or not does affect a lot but bs is totally f2p as u can buy skins pins sprays and all the other stuff which does not actually give u big advantage over other non payers and it also gives every other brawl pass for free and recent update also potentially made a lot of skins 90% free

[@BLET_55artem55]

​@@swapniljoshi8650it only cuts your time for practicing specific tactics away, so it's kind Pay to Loose

[@imperfecttables6713]

You enjoy coc. 🤨

[@earnthis1]

You are correct. It's Corporate greed. They also run the courts, so we get monopolies.

[@epcjmd4705]

No amount of money can buy player skill. Which is why Clash of Clans has stands the test of time. An easy to pick up casual game that caters to both casual players, & higher-level players interested in the competitive aspect of the game, which is definitely nuanced enough, with a constantly shifting meta with each update, keeping things interesting & fresh. Brawl Stars is built the same way. Everyone will mostly have the same tools more or less eventually, & it’s not locked behind a paywall like other games. Plus, watching the pros go at it is pretty exciting making for a healthy growing E-sports scene. You can pick up the game & play for 5 mins, then drop it & come back later without too much worry that you’ll be losing progress, keeping it from feeling like a job, or you can go on a binge & play for an hour or two.

[@laniakealocal1934]

In clash of clans , as free to play, once you are maxed, after each new level you can reach max in 3 months and then maxplay for around 6 months. In clash royale you never reach max

[@holyromanemperor420]

Furthermore, there is no need to max in the first place. Maxing doesn't gives you an advantage over a lower lvl TH because matchmaking is also based on TH lvl. You could just sit and enjoy the TH lvl you are comfortable with without worrying about facing TH15 as a TH10 player.

[@grahhhh615]

@@holyromanemperor420It’s also based on trophy counts, too. Rarely will a TH10 or 11 face a 7 or 8 unless their trophy counts manage to align.

[@justanordinaryguy6568]

Plus there is no reason to push. Most of the time you want to be as low of a trophy count as possible so you can farm easier

[@epicvids491]

I ve started playing cc and cr again at similar times, for cr it was just generic update. but when I did cc it gave me a whole secret mechanic of righting my own village? and i realise how much skill it takes to make a solid defence and a great attack. cc is skill based, cr is money based.

[@BLET_55artem55]

Agree, everything that happens in CoC is based on YOUR decisions to make a specific army, pick a specific opponent and do specific actions (troops dropping order, placement, spell support, etc)

[@epicvids491]

not to mention making a perfect base (which I can barrley do)@@BLET_55artem55

[@PolarisxAndromeda]

Clash of clans: Upgrades the entire base while your away and gives a huge loot bonus Clash royale: Chest that might not even give you cards you use or need

[@megamattical]

As someone whos played tons of ark pvp and has been keeping up with the community hearing the snail games comparison was a pleasant surprise

[@flamingpaxtsc]

Brawl Stars: Gems are rare, but useful in a lot of good ways, including buying the pass. Clash of Clans: Gems are common, but they are still useful for when you want to skip stuff. You can’t buy the pass, but hey, that’s okay. Clash Royale: Gems are common and very useful for anything besides the important stuff. You cannot buy the pass, and that’s important. Boom Beach + Hay Day: idk because I haven’t played them, but I’m gonna guess that they’re at least better than CR.

[@latetwenies]

Update removes big amount of gems from masteries and you say gems are common?

[@Meesens]

Hay day seems to still have a lot of players but isn’t put in the spotlight as much.

[@GL3DE]

Clash Royale is at this state because they want their players to try Clash Mini before its global launch. They are purposely ruining CR and will most likely fix it if or when Clash Mini goes globally.

[@thabas7578]

I really hope you are correct

[@ChrisPtoes27]

I really hope so but I think if it isn’t fixed soon it will backfire and the game will basically already be killed off

[@theking167]

No I doubt it even if clash Royale is bad doesn’t mean the clash mini devs will miraculously become good each team is seperate more likely reason is clash Royale team is just greedy plain out and simple

[@Swagtrap_CZ]

That's pretty garbage buisness decision

[@theking167]

@@Swagtrap_CZ that’s because the at wasn’t there business decision in the first place clash Royale d bad updates got no correlation with clash mini

[@orionoverton945]

CoC has an end goal, to eventually boot up the game as and upgrade that last 10 milloin dollar wall, which actually keeps the players somewhat engaged. Whereas cr their is no realistic goal, for most causal players you can't get into those top arenas and you end up playing against repetitive decks and will never reach the pro level.

[@dubbyplays]

Clash Royale was Pay To Win in the first years since release. But in 2023 is no longer Pay-2-Win: *It's Pay-To-Play*

[@itskyle7424]

Yes

[@ayowdf]

It’s pay to play since 2018

[@dubbyplays]

@@ayowdf You could play and have fun in release date when legendaries weren't even a thing. Now it is Pay To play, as if you don't pay you can't have a fun casual experience

[@ayowdf]

@@dubbyplays I was playing it since 2017 and stopped in 2022. Bought almost every goldpass and I regret it more than anything in my life. Game was much better back then fr

[@dubbyplays]

@@ayowdf I played it too from the APK releases (betas) when it wasn't released on Play Store and I was a kid. I stopped few years later, learning how valuable is money and how pointless is to spend them there where anything you pay for in that game will be completely useless or nerfed or become easier to find for free with time. I understood the level of powercreep of that money grabbing game. I returned and left often, like, once a month I checked and left. And in 2023, when I heard about new updates like Evolutions and stuff, and ALL the bad news about the state of the game, I returned to see if it was really that bad: *to my surprise, it was even worse.* I do regret having wasted those 100€ of in-game purchases but I'm also glad, because it's thanks to that awful mistake (and the remorse after) that I learned the true value of money and how scummy game companies are.

[@bababooeyxbh190]

It took me 2 months to max th11 from th 10 and on my secondary account without paying for anything I'm stuck at th 11 for 6 months

[@bobodalien1804]

I think what cr could do is that they should try to make 1 higher level cards wont change any supposedly interaction. Like +1 lvl zap wont immediately kill goblins

[@bruh27965]

Thats so stupid

[@hyper_d1113]

it doesnt

[@max8584]

@@hyper_d1113si it does

[@hmmm....37]

I think what you're trying to say is for CR to make 0.5 levels, and I won't begin to list how horrifying the monetization for that would be, but, if it wasn't monetized like *ELITE WILD CARDS*, then the grind would be pretty fun

[@78svak4]

this channel is so underated

[@jayxdwbaw8299]

Best and happiest decision in my life was to leave CR and continue CoC and BS 😎😎❤

[@Dojafish]

Very great video ! Also small correction Tencent doesn't own Supercell, they just get a portion of their profits in exchange of marketing and a Chinese version of their games .

[@Reel-Lou]

I swear, clash of clans is like the mobile version of tf2 since they both still haven't died in literal years of them being out.

[@antirickrollcard1497]

But when Valve updates tf2 they don't make the game worse cr does

[@GuyThePerson]

@@antirickrollcard1497 wrong one lol

[@justanordinaryguy6568]

@@antirickrollcard1497tf2 gets updates?

[@LOL_MANN]

Bro talk so slow he sound normal in 2x 😂

[@ajbrawlstars8844]

Because of clash royale , supercel is getting blame while other supercel games were far better than cr . I hope that cr will stop doing bad stuff

[@batproofblusoldier2973]

Man I miss frontlines I was there on the last days it had

[@Hollowdude15]

Great video Disfunctional :]

[@celystal2831]

I love it when people plonk down a lvl 12 mega knight and my cards are literally level 9 I don’t even know why I’m using an underlevelled rg deck with barbs

[@darapex1126]

Supercell has a duality with their games because each game has different game dev teams. (I haven't watched the video yet so idk if you said this in the video)

[@LOL_MANN]

From pay to play to pay to win, nice

[@allaldenebja9911]

Bro just said clash of clans than a clash of clans ad came in

[@Bishoppvz]

Who remebers clash quest

[@NotKnafo]

its not a freemium model its in app purchases

[@Vintoneuler]

Freemium 💀😂

[@ronnymorts]

People calling CoC f2p while ignoring that progression is slow. A casual f2p player will take a year to move from th12 -th13.

[@theking167]

Not anymore they reduced upgrade times that mows probably th 14-15 now+ it’s meant to be like that coc is about the journey not the end goal and that’s if you max everything

[@ronnymorts]

@theking167 the CR journey would be more enjoyable if players didn't cry when they can't be maxed when they're f2p. Lvl 11 event mode is wholly enjoyable, but players expect to be not only entertained but competitive and it's not realistic.

[@theking167]

@@ronnymorts not being maxed puts you at such a disadvantage that you can no longer win against players f2p players deserve to be able to max they deserve to cry especially as supercell constantly nerfs f2p progression through the pass and event rework and makes it so the only way to max is to pay money

[@theking167]

@@ronnymorts + level 11 mode is not that enjoyable 2v2 has been in the game for years and the super troop game modes get boring after a while the cr team is plain out greedy and you can’t blame players for crying about it

[@overlord8124]

Yeah the thing is you are not forced to play against max players unless you are in legend league while in clash royale you easily could match up with a a guy with max level cards while you are still in mid ladder

[@Julian-pq9vg]

Snail games❌ snow games✔️😂

[@cakewalk4602]

Idk about the Cr killing there own game to make way for clash mini is true or not but ngl clash mini is just an auto chess ripp off so it won't be that huge of an hit and esport for that game would be the funniest thing ever since there's not much strategy since Cm balance team sucks way harder then Cr 😐. overall I'm happy with brawl stars and only hoping brawl doesn't meet the same fate 😥🤞

[@TordBot69]

"auto chess ripoff" but auto chess is a type of game, not a game in its own? anyway "since cm balance team sucks way harder than cr" okay so defending time, the cm team is obviously not the best, it is very small and cm isnt global. whenever there is an issue with balance they try their hardest to fix it whenever theres an issue. attacking time. the cr team is ass, its always been. evolutions are made to be overpowered for a while costing a ridiculous amount of money so you would spend that insane amount of money just for it to be nerfed into the ground and be ass a week later. now for there "not being strategy in cm" it is a strategy game, the main part of the game is strategy, this is just stupid, im assuming you arent in any of the beta countries to play the game, if so you havent gotten to the sweaty leagues like legend and ultra legend

[@REALMRTRUMP]

Cm is also great and there’s no need to buy anything

[@HennryIsGone]

as ryan said *That's right*. wait i forgot ryan left😢

[@NateTheOhioan]

Brawl stars is almost absurd to pay for what they make resources cost, instead they’re able to make a ton of money off the cosmetics and therefore make a banger of a game

[@Hollowdude15]

LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[@LEEPICTOASTER21314]

4:56 your right, look at pvz downfall videos. 9 times out of 10 they will blame ea for ruining pvz when in reality it was popcap themself. ea published the game while popcap made it yet people blame ea for the downfall of pvz.

[@radekhornych]

free to play, more like wait to play

[@korkukokusu8311]

Supercell character test : chose one A : clash royale B : clash of clans C : brlaw stars D : boom beach E : boom arena A : you addicted to the game or/ you have nothing better to do B: you have mature taste C: you probably have more than 1 game in your phone , legit player . D: unpopular opinion E : yes you are addicted to clash royale and thought you are best player but when you got negative trophies in boom arena all must be brightened

[@KripTM]

Boom beach was actually fun :/

[@user-rn9ht1sh1e]

Cr became a dead game when they added evolutions and level 15. As a f2p You can't reach max and you can only lose againste a lv 15 counter deck😢

[@GuyThePerson]

At this point, if you want to play a combat/Tower Defence style game, skip Clash Royale and just go for Battle Cats. Much more F2P friendly.

[@slushyplane]

Everyone's already forgotten about Clash Quest... if you think CR was ptw... Clash Quest was VERY ptw.

[@docilelikewintercatfish9897]

As a f2p Clash of clans seems fun until you reach TH12.

[@silverwatchdog]

I think it's townhall 13 now. I will see though as my townhall is upgrading to 12 now and will be ready in 3 days. The upgrades looked fairly cheap, at least compared to 1 year ago and most of the times are shorter than townhall 11 upgrades when I started it 1 and half years ago. The only part that I heard still sucks about townhall 12 still is the 15 hero levels for King and queen and 20 for grand warden.

[@masroorahmadbani1712]

​@@silverwatchdogI will make an argument that it is th 14 as 7 mil for a wall is too much. 16.5 mil for an archer tower is too much. Upgrading pets is too much. Still, I enjoy the game playing it f2p because of attacking and social aspect of it. There is stuff to make it less hard plus new events such as the recent Halloween event shows that the developers are putting love into the game.

[@Extreme_Dream]

I think you should suggest some underrated titals on mobile. 😅

[@flamingpaxtsc]

*titles

[@k90v85]

phobies is good, sonis vampire survivors

[@GuyThePerson]

Bloons and Battle Cats are fun, also I've heard that Super Auto Pets is good

[@k90v85]

@@GuyThePerson those are less underrated and more just good games

[@saadel-marwani5610]

Clash royale became pay to win with evolution and everything else in the nee updates its sad really

[@dikshantdikshant4497]

Brawl stars is free to play I love it

[@NokikkoBs]

brawl stars is most f2p from them it was p2w but since they removed boxes its so f2p now

[@drew8f7rn48]

Bro boxes are trash

[@Joepiyeh1]

man ur voice or mike sucks thats so sad because love the vid

[@bluewatergamingromania.m]

Bs/BS/brawl deleted on some country's is dead.

[@Omega_258]

Bro which part of the country is your accent from? so that I can avoid it 💀

[@moosploum6689]

Cr is pay to win coc is pay to proges faster

[@brobiv2452]

Clash Royale isn’t pay to win kid

[@tristan12424]

Yes it is

[@shaheerahmad3708]

it is pay to win kid

[@brobiv2452]

no its not nerd@@shaheerahmad3708

[@P_Is_For_Pigeon]

you can buy a gamebreaking evolution and almost instantly win every game

[@brobiv2452]

u can get it for free in the seasonal shop@@P_Is_For_Pigeon

[@MykalJacsun]

The Brawl Stars being made because CR was too pay2win is a terrible point. Clash Royale never had too much of a pay2win problem even once Pass Royale came out, which was also after Brawl Stars global release.

[@AdarshNayak1601]

I have Tower11 ID of clash royale. Would like to exchange with Clash of clans ID. Anyone interested???

[@chillalmalik4344]

Coc is boring cuz of that time shit

[@3xtract782]

It depends on the player

[@Jackypro_]

I love spending time on coc ☺️

[@MrMe-uo4wq]

Its only boring when you’re just playing every hour

[@mrrandom347]

Honestly 20 days now a days doesn't feel that long 😌 Time passes really quick