The Duality of Supermassive Games

[@Daytona_Ronnie]

Until Dawn was backed up with Sony that’s the main reason why it was polished and high production all the time. I’m pretty sure if they had Sony help the whole time, the other problems you had wouldn’t be that bad at all.

[@MoccaDeShibe]

It's also been cooking since 2008. They didn't just got Sony's help at the time for no reason too, the IP is owned by Sony after all.

[@maboilaurence8227]

Willing to bet it had double the budget of the entire Dark pictures Anthology games combined. The writing of those games (except HoA) being garbage has no excuse though.

[@maboilaurence8227]

I'll give House of Ashes a commendation for having actual good writing unlike any other Dark Pictures game (I would argue Salim and Jason's character development is the best in the entire Supermassive catalogue).

[@martijnklaassen3536]

I love House of Ashes. The final showdown at the end is my fav part of the game.

[@cyborg2254]

The twist of the first two DPA games being hallucinations really hurts the series as a whole

[@ThePlague_1888]

I swear the character movements and overall graphics just plummeted in quality after until dawn

[@hippo440]

I feel like everything doesn't compliment each other in their recent games like it did in Until Dawn. Like I think a good example is Abi's first chase scene in the Quarry, the setup is solid but the actual direction of the chase is just terrible. It's the first introduction to the monster and you're in its natural habitat, it could have been an Emily in the Mines moment but instead they decided to give Abi like 3 QTEs for the entire chase and the option to randomly climb a tree at mach slug which just highlights even more how she's not in real danger.

[@stevenulch2764]

Don't forget Hidden Agenda

[@ThePlague_1888]

@@stevenulch2764 what hidden agenda?

[@stevenulch2764]

@@ThePlague_1888 2nd choice based game by Supermassive Games. You have to track down Trapper, a serial killer who specifically targets cops. Was 2nd PS4 exclusive also playable on PS5.

[@clementine2718]

they dont have sony money nowadays and are well beyond their budget which can be seen in them having massive layoffs earlier this year

[@Merc_507]

Frank stone makes alot more sense if u know dbd lore, but even then it has some rough parts.

[@vastiy3441]

they cut a lot of what was originally going to be the game, around 40%. i understand why ppl can find it underwealming

[@metalmask5]

Frank Stone is almost a nothing burger, idk man, just my opinion.

[@Merc_507]

@@metalmask5 it could've been alot better if they didnt kill of frank stone at the start.

[@metalmask5]

@@Merc_507 Yes

[@sckaze777]

Its so confusing with the time travel / dimensional machine. I know dbd has multiverse but i dont think they executed it well

[@solishniwa]

Something that helped me love the layers to Until Dawn, is that beside the interpersonal relations, and the ancient supernatural that's the twist, part of that final monster is one of their own making, intentionally or not (insert 'its just a prank, han' here). It's hard to recapture a formula like that with a new premise without it getting old, but I feel like it should be possible. They're obviously trying and I'm full glad they are. Like you said, some of the games each have their moments. Now it's the art to try and get enough time on that dev clock to not rush it to death, that way maybe performance also improves lmao

[@cappedminer369]

the wendigo is actually a real life urban legend, though this is one of the few games to have a great interpretation of it. sadly there are chunk of plot holes in how it's utilized

[@solishniwa]

@@cappedminer369 o no I know what the wendigo is. I meant technically the cast had a part in Hannah's transformation into one.

[@TheHasmith99]

@@solishniwa Yeah as far as I know it's the only supermassive game where the antagonist has a personal connection to the protagonists. All the other games the cast just happens upon some crazy shit that tries to kill them

[@cobaltultra2007]

8:14 saying this while showing salim (one of the best written characters) is kinda crazy

[@rill1150]

they should have shown Alex from Man of Medan who is the greatest example of this

[@kolcheks]

that whole section having house of ashes clips was funny because it’s arguably one of their most character driven game

[@cobaltultra2007]

@@kolcheks completely agreed

[@FemboyKaiSaku]

all the new characters suck though

[@congamez4198]

Yeah that's why I showed him. Well done, you worked out the point 😂 House of Ashes did well with it's characters, especially him.

[@Robalexe]

Something that bugs me: part of the reason why the characters look much worse in the Dark Pictures games is that most of them are modelled on a certain person, but they are voiced and motion-captured by a different person. Only Conrad, Andrew, Rachel and Kate are voiced, mo-capped and modelled on the same actor (because they're the big name for each game). I despise that approach, it almost always ends up looking cheap. The Casting of Frank Stone isn't any better than the Dark Pictures games, but at least the characters look better and like real people cuz they went the Until Dawn/The Quarry route (which hopefully they will stick to going forward).

[@congamez4198]

I wasn't aware, and yes that seems like a strange way of doing it. Makes sense that it looks cheap then

[@Raddish-is-radd]

I'm glad the next game in the series has had more time to cook, I really think they should abandon their 1 game every year model, and do a new game every 2 to 3 years or at least a year and a half. That way the stories could reach more potential and they could have time to iron out bugs.

[@congamez4198]

Couldn't agree more.

[@Unknown-jd1iu]

Until Dawn will always be a one hit wonder i fear

[@kevinmalone584]

1. Until Dawn 2. House of Ashes 3. The Quarry

[@DummyDum-et1tm]

The devil in me is better than house of ashes no

[@kingafro2881]

@@DummyDum-et1tmtripping😂😂😂

[@ladypool1404]

You don't find any characters annoying in the Quarry? Like Jacob whi always talked about chips and snacks or Aby who can't confess to the guy she loves? The girl with a blog who's not very brave, smart or kind? You don't find the freeze-frames for every choices silly? You have a lot of patience 🙂

[@lukiklepsa6218]

@@ladypool1404 The game is fun and can be scary when it wants to be. if not scary then definitly stressful. I like the characters for being pretty much the horror stereotypes that you have to take care of despite them seemingly wanting to die at almost every turn.

[@qran2286]

Until Dawn has been in development since 2008 and different studios worked on it that’s why it’s so well developed

[@siegfriedo]

Until Dawn is undoubtedly the best interactive cinematic story game made to date. And it did not need a remake. I agree that since then SG went downhill, their other games are not as good by any stretch.

[@farrukhahmedsid]

@@siegfriedo Detroit become human is by far the best...

[@frenchboi6826]

⁠@@farrukhahmedsidwhile it has the best choice making system, for some people story and characters are equally important. Detroit kinda fails as it has only 2 good characters, and a mid story at best.

[@Thatchaoticelf]

I’d have to disagree about the remaster of until dawn. Some of the new scenes are fine but I’m real upset with how badly they fucked up the sound design for a game that was already really highly regarded. Updated visuals are great or whatever but it’s the same as when movies started only making prequels and TV started making only spin offs of stuff that has already been done really well then remade until it’s hot garbage series material. It’s a huge money grab on a title that already did really well because their last few endeavours really didn’t do well at the end of the day. It feels like recuperation of losses to be honest.

[@notkurumi]

Money grab didnt work out tho, the sales arent that good. (Tho i have no idea how little or big resources they used to make this crap:P)

[@mrleleunboxing]

the sounds had to be different because of the rights of the game that Supermassive has

[@VGSpoonium]

House of ashes still hold a place of almost. i'm almost bitterfull about it. The remake of Until dawn look allright, but id rather they create an another.

[@congamez4198]

I agree. I much prefer new ideas but enjoyed the remake. It makes a mistake or two but love the way it's shot and it's graphical direction. Truly hope they get to those heights again

[@stevenulch2764]

create another* Not sure create an another is proper.

[@saruwatarisa]

@@congamez4198 I think I just like the remake for getting Josh an ending where he doesn't turn into Wendigo... srsly one of my fave character besides Sam's towel. Yes I see Sam's TOWEL as another character xD

[@MelvaCross]

Supermassive's games need three things: compelling mystery, likeable characters, and well written branching paths. Until Dawn did its mystery and characters so well that they struggled to follow it up. The Quarry did a great job with making the choices matter, and the cast was extremely likeable. House of Ashes was solid all the way through. But these games unveiled their mysteries way too quickly. Little Hope had an intruiging mystery, but the characters were extremely boring, not to mention the cheap ending. I hope the second season of Dark Pictures is a step up in writing and game stability.

[@zavillion893]

I dont think Until Dawn revealed its mystery too early, you only find out its josh whos the psycho at chapter 6, and the wendigos are only revelaed in chapter 8, during the last 3 chapters

[@Gabriel-all]

I played all men of medan, Until Dawn, Frank Stone and the Quarry, and i liked it all

[@stevenulch2764]

You missed Hidden Agenda

[@DonutToast]

ok but in my opinion the quarry actually improved with one thing you mentioned here, and that is the characters and their personality. Every character in that game had a very clear personality and natural-feeling dialogue. because... let's be real with ourselves here, the dialogue in Until Dawn wasn't always STELLAR, especially not at the beginning when the characters were still being set up and introduced to us. I'll never get over how Beth went from "Hannah! 😨" to "Where 🤖is🤖my🤖sister🤖going🤖?" in the same sentence, or the whole conflict between Jessica, Matt, Michael en Emily at the start... I haven't met a single person who didn't get slightly confused about those interactions. The Quarry gave us dialogue and character interactions I could see me and my friends having too, the goofing off especially being a part of why I feel that way. It feels more natural, is what I'm saying... but it really feels like in the Quarry that's all they put their focus on. Right after the radio shack scene, when the mystery of the werewolf finally gets revealed and shit is supposed to get REAL scary, it just...... doesn't deliver. There IS no real horror in the Quarry. It's like, entry level horror for people who can't play more intense horror games. It's ALL character and no plot/suspense. You can make the most charming characters, but if you don't put them in a coherent situation, that's all they'll be. THAT is what Until Dawn did right!

[@MoccaDeShibe]

The quarry writing really reminds me of early drafts of until dawn. It used to be a cheese fest where they had no idea what to do with the direction of the game most of the time. Especially seeing how the game was in development hell since 2008, they really got lucky the final product ended up being that good.

[@KILLUASTRIFE]

Until Dawn remake was made by Ballistic Moon it’s a new studio by the devs that made the original until dawn they left super massive and started a new company it’s rumored to be owned by Sony so the quality will be better in future games

[@wler865]

That is why I'm waiting for Little Nightmares 3. For now it looks so much better than most of their games. Maybe the best, I hope so.

[@metalmask5]

I'm convinced they nerf themselves so they don't get so op

[@mikemurray8562]

😂

[@stevenulch2764]

I wouldn't say Dark Pictures are trash. Not as long or perfect but still fun. Also you missed Hidden Agenda which released between Until Dawn and Man of Medan.

[@congamez4198]

I completely forgot about Hidden agenda. Tbf I'm not saying they're all bad, just the majority.

[@sashadeea]

what's the hidden agenda?

[@stevenulch2764]

@@sashadeea PS4 exclusive playable on PS5. You have to track down a serial cop killer known as ‘Trapper’ Choice-based game and 2nd Supermassive Games released game

[@greedgod5827]

They captured lightning in a bottle on until dawn and have been trying to do it all over again

[@Jojo-nq3bp]

until dawn was initially going to be done by sony london and they handed it over to supermassive

[@cocopots]

No because I managed to save everyone except sam at the last moment. I was so upset

[@ganja_weasel]

I love dbd and supermassive but omg Frank Stone may have been the biggest waste of money ever. I had people in my chat thanking me for streaming it so they didn’t have to take the gamble on buying it.

[@Tempsdg]

Until dawn and house of ashes are the goats for sure.

[@Mattis06]

The quarry was a comedy.

[@dostwood5103]

In my opinion, another big factor in why the games they made after Until Dawn just don't live up to it is not only the writing, but the acting. The acting in Until Dawn in phenomenal, meanwhile the acting in every game they made after that ranges from awful to good, but rarely anything stellar. I'm going to chalk that up to the fact that Sony gave Supermassive a big budget, but actors such as Rami Malek, Hayden Panettiere, and Brett Dalton truly bring their respective characters to life and make them so memorable. I'm not sure if it's the direction, the actors, or both, but there have not been many similarly memorable performances compared to the characters I previously mentioned.

[@billmcdermott9647]

I wonder if it’s because the anthology games are rushed so they don’t have time for reshoots because most of the big starts like will poulter and ashmore are all good actors but seem strangely wooden Unless they are just not used to the Mocap

[@Adog00]

I need to play the most recent, and The Quarry as well😂 but I really loved Until Dawn, House of Ashes, and TDIM.

[@-bluejay211]

Would love to see that remake video!

[@whatispongebubdoin]

People complaining that the remake is too expensive and buggy on release are absolutely correct, but they're wrong in the conclusion that it's not worth buying because of it, and that it's just a cash-grab. The graphics DO look better that before, even if you think the original's don't look bad at all yet either. The added content is amazing fan service, and this remake made me rerally happy to be a fan

[@marcusclark1339]

its mediocre, never accept cause u can stand it a straight port would've been better than changing for the sake of a sequel bait that's never going to happen

[@whatispongebubdoin]

@@marcusclark1339 I disagree I think it's an upgrade the original over all. It is a downgrade in some aspects but overall it's a better experience. I loved the added scenes and content as a fan

[@CaseysRepository]

As a hard-core fan of smg, I I always try to be fair and hear all views of dpa. Yes some things aren't as good and a bumpy road but there are good things in them, frank stone I never took to only played it once, the dbd part never attracted me in the first place. But the main part is dpa, mouth movements I agree can be odd at parts but then alot is OK, people say it doesn't look right but even in real life, it can look the same as games so I think some people are bit to much of whiney side. Now I can talk about each game one by one on good and bad things. But doubt anyone will read that long of a comment😂 but a nice video man👍

[@laurenjohnson1707]

Great video...just wondering what you think about the Until Dawn sequel rumours?

[@congamez4198]

I really hope they don't go down that path. It's clear now that they're not trying to one up Until Dawn anymore because they believe they can't. The remake and the movie prove that. They shouldn't give up though and a sequel would ultimately be a bad cash grab, imo.

[@laurenjohnson1707]

@@congamez4198 Deep down I know you're right, but I loved these characters so much I sort of hope there is sequel in the works. I guess they pushed my nostalgia buttons haha. But unfortunately I do think your assessment is the right one.

[@LeqitAndre]

I like all the games, even if its sometimes bugged its normal and part of the series lmao

[@urielthelesser]

Points for being able to finagle in the phrase "tickle your balls" while analyzing a horror series.

[@congamez4198]

🤣

[@Zion7105]

the until dawn remake is meh , they ruined the entire soundtrack removing all tension and stress from the og soundtrack

[@congamez4198]

Couldn't agree more about the soundtrack. Something I'll explore soon

[@Nathan-Croft]

My top list of Supermassive games that I played so far 1. House of Ashes: I really enjoyed the mystery surrounding the creatures, all of the main characters were sympathetic or had nice character arcs 2. Until Dawn: Same thing I can say about it, it's their scariest game, however while the twist was interesting, it didn't really make sense plot wise. I also didn't like that there were too many characters, therefore some barely got any screen time 3. Devil in Me: Good cast of characters, not too many of them (which is good), but the villain had inconsistent powers and felt nearly unstoppable, I liked the different endings and the mystery though. I also appreciate how they tried to improve the gameplay, but it was a little buggy Mediocre 4. Man of Medan: Not the best cast of characters, some annoying, some uninteresting. The plot twist undermines the whole story, except for some character developments here and there. The bad 5. Little Hope: The biggest wasted potential in the series, a plot twist that makes what happened in the story completely irrelevant, interesting mystery that only exists in one character's imagination 6. The Quarry: Half of the characters were likable, the other half seemed lifeless. The worst scenes in the whole series and the dumbest decisions by the characters, laughably bad dialogues at times

[@ghouliayells9116]

emily is peak like her or not

[@zavillion893]

Fr

[@polar6066]

bothered me a lot in the devil in me how erin and charles were the only ones who reacted like normal ppl. also the main girl was very weird to look at once i saw her original model. its like they botched the ingame face completely

[@congamez4198]

Yeah true the models for Devil in Me were terrible. Charlie by far the best part of that game

[@ionutcristian9650]

These assholl teens made me root for the slasher 😂.

[@DanDCool]

8:00 um wasnt he serious at the end...

[@AlaskanWhiskeyOfficial]

To me i cant even view the dark pictures and quarry on the same level as until dawn or even made by the same company. Until Dawn was a clear passion project with talent in every corner doing their best. Supermassive's games since are passionless projects that are simply just copying until dawns format/genre but dont understand what made it good in the first place.

[@pwpqwq7648]

To be honest, the more titles they released after Until Dawn, the worse the quality got.

[@stevenulch2764]

Hidden Agenda was still as good

[@pwpqwq7648]

@@stevenulch2764 That might be an exception, but in the case of the rest of the games, you can literally see the quality dropping as the years go by

[@Machina-me8sf]

8:28 Or Matt? Like the main protagonist? The Final Girl of the game? The best character in the entire game?

[@dammitluke]

2:32 music?

[@johncracker5217]

Until Dawn was so good. I beat it in two weekends. Pretty much every other one from them in that style that I tried I could barely finish. I think I only finished little hope and the quarry. I am currently playing devil in me. It’s ite but it’s no until dawn

[@Rowan_0161]

Imo it was lightning in a Bottle, Everything was near perfection from the cast to the monster, the set up to the pay off, i think with horror especially once you've done something you have to give it time befor you can do it again, Man of Maiden was poor as they failed on almost every level and whilst it wasnt bad it didn't even come close to untill dawn, other than conrad i didn't really like any of the characters amd whilest the idea of the monstere being hallucinations playing with my freind for my first playthrough ruined the experience as we figured it out from the pro log and basically saved eachother, if i was in their shoes i would have given it a few years to work on a new game, until dawn wasnt perfect as their is a lot more i woild have liked to see such as Matt and Jess in the mines and i would take that into account and make a new game with the flaws in mind, instead i think they tried to capatalise on the success of untul dawn too quickly and failed to live up to the hype

[@congamez4198]

They needed to get Man of Medan right and they didn't. Couldn't connect to any of the cast and completely betrays it's premise.

[@ItsTheOfficialDH]

until dawn remake is alright, theres some stuff I like in both the remake and the original

[@yabigboiiii9703]

just me or does Supermassive always seem to have difficulties with the characters eyes? it’s frustrating to see them randomly stare at the side or blankly

[@LouPhonze]

I'm absolutely frustrated with them. I loved Until Dawn soo much and everything else is just fine at best. Like the quarry had potential but I literally guess werewolves in the first 10 min, and there was no other surprises left, and I found everybody unlikable

[@papabear6611]

Hey I liked man of Medan. It was corny but I enjoyed it

[@urfuturebf]

I played all those games and Until Dawn 2015 still the best in my opinion, from the story, plot twist, casts and OST. I bought The Quarry in 2022, heard people said it was great compared to Until Dawn so I spent my money and my time for it, turned out it wasn't that good, just a little bit better than the Dark Pictures series but ain't that good compare to Until Dawn.

[@saruwatarisa]

I wanna say, from s1 of Dark pic anthology, Little hope somewhat sticks to me... like out of them maybe little hope is the good of the bunch? but still not compared to Until Dawn. Like the others meh, Little hope, okay that's kinda good but still meh compared to Until Dawn. (Also I don't remember much detail from the others now)

[@wizardwoman]

what’s the music in the background at 5:09 from, anyone know? i recognise the song but i can’t remember where i know it from

[@congamez4198]

The menu theme from COD world at war 😁👍

[@wizardwoman]

@@congamez4198 oh yeah! thank you

[@mullythebully5557]

stirbt mit mir, brav soldat

[@winterbarker9057]

i honestly think that the remake was essential if they plan to make a sequel. It really shouldnt be $70 though thats ridiculous

[@zavillion893]

Until Dawn is a masterpiece

[@paranoyd70]

I personally like Man of Medan. But I will admit, it was a bit rough around the edges. Loved Until Dawn & the Quary. Little Hope absolutely pissed me off. I liked House of Ashes initially, but when the truth about the enemies was announced, it made me cringe & I ended up hating it. The Devil in Me bored me to tears. Didn't even know about the Casting of Frank Stone, and from what I can tell, its boring.

[@ThePowerscalingCinephile]

I disagree on Capcom being inconsistent. You could say that on the 2010s Capcom but not 2020s Capcom since they have only been giving out bangers everytime.

[@jasonblundelldobebussing]

Yeah. I have to agree. Supermassive Games is the best mediocre company. 😢

[@tomassaalexis9333]

Whatever dude

[@manukau5271]

Maybe they only lock in when Sony is looming over their shoulder

[@thatakwardlatinguy8773]

They are definitely all over the place lol. Until Dawn was amazing. Man of Medan is underrated to me as despite its flaws, the amount of branching it has is genuinely impressive and just outright amazing. Little Hope fucking SUCKED House of Ashes was good. The Quarry was complete garbage. And the Devil in Me is good… if we ignore the dogshit launch we’re the game was unplayable.

[@brianachim2670]

I loved The Quarry 😕

[@thatakwardlatinguy8773]

@@brianachim2670 Good for you bro, it was personally not my cup of tea as the dialogue just felt way to cheesy without charm and I simply hated all the characters outside of Ryan, Abi and Max.

[@thatraddude3087]

8:00 What is this song used in the video?

[@congamez4198]

Serenity from Resident Evil 4

[@frankkennedy6388]

I'm surprised how fast Supermassive fell off. Until Dawn was great but then Man of Medan's best part was the "Oh Death" curator opening. I lost interest in following the games after that.

[@cupid3890]

I fucking hate the stupid werewolf transformations, it looks lazy and the creature just looks pasted onto the screen with jarring moments.

[@FemboyKaiSaku]

supermassive really fell off, i feel like people's standards are so low. Until dawn felt so in depth and complex, but these newer games either have no depth or have terrible execution. But people think they are decent. To me they are trash, like devil in me and man of medan. I thought little hope was enjoyable but the ending was very mid. And i think the animations of the characters look weird too in the newer games

[@farrukhahmedsid]

WTF, Capcom cannot be in same list with ubisoft! Capcom is doing great.

[@marcusclark1339]

the problem right now for supermassive is its NOT the same company, most of the people left and its clear with the remake they don't understand the originals design decisions anymore its a dead brand and it shows

[@Butterfly_8_Effect]

I play all the supermassive games, and Until Dawn is the one I dislike the most since there's no choice impact (in my opinion). Also, I don't like the story and the characters at all. I thought I would enjoy the remake, but I didn't. I don't really like House of Ashes and Man of Medan as well. The Devil in Me and The Quarry are my favorites by far. Great video !

[@congamez4198]

That's a fair opinion. Devil in Me has a fantastic premise and the Quarry executes some good ideas really well. Really enjoyed the cast of that game.

[@tomiharv]

you like the quarry which is regarded as a step DOWN from Until Dawn. no choice impact? you cant say your opinion it doesnt have it because it factually literally DOES have choice impact. characters die or survive based on choices you make. thats the literal point of the game..

[@Butterfly_8_Effect]

@@tomiharv Yeah I enjoyed playing The Quarry and the Dark Picture games more than Until Dawn ? What's the matter ?

[@JoutaiSasuLover]

​​@@Butterfly_8_Effect - disliking Until Dawn - both your username and pfp are "Butterfly Effect" (and you even put one quote from Until Dawn in your profile) 😐

[@Butterfly_8_Effect]

@@JoutaiSasuLover Because I like games when choices have huge consequences, like The Quarry, The Devil or Me or Little Hope. I put a quote from Until Dawn bc it's the only game when they talk about it (unfortunately). However, I don't like this game.

[@cyndankit4989]

lets see you make a video game.

[@congamez4198]

Crazy argument

[@trantorthetroll8768]

Frank stone didn’t live up to the hype. The story blew, and before a dork goes wild replying, yes I’m aware of DBD lore. Stone just fell flat. The quarry also wasn’t as good as I thought it would be. The acting from the Ryan character was horrible.

[@congamez4198]

Some very questionable acting performances not helped by horrible writing overshadowed some solid moments in the Quarry unfortunately

[@jordanbighook4866]

I played dbd and knew some lore and is still garbage in the hole game noing happens I thought it was going be about the entirety how it kid naps people and stuff not be running from someone who is dead

[@darkdelphin834]

I disagree on Until Dawn Remake... The atmosphere is worse and also the new ending is meaningless. It makes the story a lot "less" in general just to make a sequel even though the story has obviously already concluded (just like Life is Strange). Also the sound effects are HORRIBLE and the game is 100% less scary than the original

[@vandrued1502]

Did u see the new prologue? Im starting to think all the people who dislike the remake not even see the final product at all.

[@darkdelphin834]

@@vandrued1502 I saw all of it. I am a huge fan of until dawn, it was a big part of my childhood. Just assuming stuff cuz I don't agree with you heh

[@zavillion893]

Its way scarier than the original, if you ignore the soundtrack, the wendigos and lightning are way more terrifying

[@darkdelphin834]

@@zavillion893 I tend to disagree

[@zavillion893]

@darkdelphin834 How so

[@GothPaoki]

I wouldn't even call it duality when most of their games are piss poor. They never got close to games like until dawn with their subsequent series. Poor writing and game design never improving on their mistakes. After the quarry I'm not giving them any money. They had far too many chances.

[@congamez4198]

@@GothPaoki That's a fair assessment. Directive 8020? 👀

[@GothPaoki]

@@congamez4198 against my better judgment I'll probably buy it just because i think space is a very interesting setting for the series

[@Manofspeed448]

I perfer the quarry over until dawn but both have 1 key issue that makes me laugh my ass off every time and thats the "death recognition" for example Emily dies after being bit "oh my she wasent gonna turn" "oh well lets go and find mike" in the quarry its the exact same but worse instead of ignoring death they just outright dont care sometimes abi dies in pool house "dont believe me? look at your friend" its just so weird to see Brenda song joking about dying after seeing abi get ripped apart by her turning bff at the RV

[@jordanbighook4866]

Ngl no one asked for a remaster btw

[@niteshanthony2324]

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.🎉❤❤❤

[@PresAlexWhit]

My girlfriend and I both think The Casting of Frank Stone is better than Until Dawn. Everything that people praise Until Dawn for is present in every other game besides the characters and plot which are both good. Until Dawn has much less "Your choices matter" than even Little Hope. I think it's just overrated, and people don't actually know what they want. Until Dawn's only "choices" are deaths or prevention of such.

[@der_dude1425]

The Devil in Me was one of the worst games I‘ve ever played. Every aspect of the game was terrible.

[@MettFox]

Until Dawn is mediocre as hell cmooooooooon. Dark pictures is horrible in last few entries...

[@zavillion893]

How is Until Dawn mediocre?