The Duggars #2 | Josh's Arrest, Jim Bob Runs For Office Again, Jill Speaks Out

[@DanielleSouthcott]

"Fundies don't agree on anything except...they hate women." I felt that harder than the entire 300-odd pages of The Handmaid's Tale.

[@kathrynboone8716]

Was reading it super difficult? or just difficult? i’m starting college soon and want a good book for my free time and the HandMaids Tale seems incredible but intimidating:/

[@DanielleSouthcott]

@@kathrynboone8716 Nah. Margaret Atwood's writing is detailed, but accessible. It's not an easy read, but that's more due to subject matter than writing style.

[@batking4342]

@@kathrynboone8716 There's also a graphic novel version!

[@lesliesheppard6112]

Same! I came from the IFB so when she said that, I felt it in my soul!

[@jacquelinek5036]

@Kathryn Boone I read it years ago and got a lot out of it. I also recently read the sequel "the Testament" (I think that's what it's called) and enjoyed that as well. But I also read something else of hers and my reaction was "what was that about?"

[@kerrid5717]

Josh having his *kids on the wallpaper* as he views child abuse imagery is just God it’s next level insidious

[@kristalefler3312]

Ugh, I didn't even think of that. It's heartbreaking that his children will one day discover that their father is a child predator.

[@alessandrajackson3768]

Honestly they need to do medical examinations on the children. He had a specific video downloaded that I learned about in my Psych class. It’s not just CP, it’s cp mixed with torture and mutilation. It’s widely considered to be the worst video ever created

[@itsme-ih2cx]

kerri- remember it wasn't him that did it, it was the devil, the devil made him do it.

[@dork7546]

@@kristalefler3312 Honestly, there's no way I can give him the benefit of the doubt and believe he didn't rape or molest his daughters so far. He already did this to his baby sisters and his deviant behavior was constantly being enabled by his parents so yeah, I really think nothing would have stopped him from also doing this to his daughters. I just hope that Josh will go to prison and his kids will be taken by child services and be given all the help they need.

[@Charliefox71]

@@itsme-ih2cxEither you’re being sarcastic, or you’re an evangelical just like Duggar who’s trying to blame someone else for his actions.

[@PeahPooper]

I'm surprised they didn't re-name their adopted child Jyler tbh

[@annikabergstrom8733]

As my Russian biology teacher once told us: “in Russia, there’s no such thing as passive aggressive. There is only aggressive aggressive” and I like to think this same sentiment applies to this channel

[@a697ag]

Is true

[@rachelcopeland6109]

I love this!

[@keiishine]

I wonder where is passive passive lol

[@belindarocky961]

@@keiishine that's my ex I think 🙃🙃

[@meghansullivan6812]

hahahahahaha

[@-MaryPoppins-]

If you’ve ever paid taxes, you’ve supported all of those social programs. You’re NOT living off of the government. You’re accepting the helping hand you’ve helped stretch out! There will NEVER be anything wrong with genuine people reaching out for support during difficult times. Never, EVER feel bad about needing help. That’s why you paid those taxes!

[@aswiftshift5229]

and Even if you didn't pay them it's also okay

[@-MaryPoppins-]

@@aswiftshift5229 anyone who’s lived in the US has paid them, you cannot pay taxes when buying regular items! So still paid, even with what little you may have!

[@chillarypuff]

Exactly bestie!!

[@HolldollMcG]

Right? And if we're gonna be so gung-ho for the Bible, we gotta remember that Jesus talked at length about taking care of the poor and sick. The dude was absolutely a socialist.

[@megdonnelly8519]

The very wealthy get so much more benefits from the gov ..just saying

[@lauren3054]

“Jana’s wearing pants now, and that’s great” what a sentence lol

[@juliannehannes11]

I hope to God Jana is secretely gay and will have a butch coming out where she cuts her hair off

[@goreyfantod5213]

I literally snorted with laughter each & every time she congratulated one of those gals for wearing pants.

[@dork7546]

@@juliannehannes11 She's in her 30's and yet she's not married despite the fact women in the Quiverfull movement are expected to get married by the time they're 18 or even younger so I think there's a good chance she's gay or asexual.

[@poutinedream5066]

I was legit like "well good for her." 🤣 These people are driving me out my damn mind

[@BlahBlah-bb6rl]

Character development! We love to see it!

[@agnes7404]

“We named her Madyson, not Madison. There’s a difference.” -Anna, probably

[@melz6625]

“We” I don’t believe she is allowed to pick a single thing in that home

[@agnes7404]

@@melz6625 that makes it even worse 😭😭😭

[@dee-dee-]

*cue Trixie Mattel laugh*

[@gracehaven5459]

"We spelled it with a Y that means we invented the name" - every mom whose used a "variant" spelling ever

[@MeganVictoriaKearns]

I used to work with a girl whose mother named her Kymmbyrleighah. Yeah, can't make that stuff up!

[@dancinginthepsychward6381]

As a trans man who was raised Fundamental Independent Evangelical Baptist, your channel has been a vital tool in my own healing from religious trauma.

[@asdfghjkl-oo7lv]

Same

[@asdfghjkl-oo7lv]

Hugs!

[@shallowblue8387]

I'm also a trans man raised in a fundamental Christian church (that was also my school). My entire schooling was PACEs up until 3rd grade & I had to take etiquette classes. Somehow despite PACE curriculum denying evolution and being a terrible science education, I ended up in STEM. It's crazy to even consider looking back.

[@spoooook]

Best of luck in your healing journey 💓

[@Directioner1713]

As someone who grew up catholic i agree!!

[@abbymenear6635]

I grew up Quiverfull and I think something that’s worth noting that many people in the movement believe they’re creating a literal army to fight for Christ in the end of times. Basically making sure christ has more “warriors” than Satan.

[@glory5110]

thanks for sharing this, I didn't know that

[@AJ-ii6fu]

Yea, their paramilitary force might be the most frightening part of it.

[@SBrown-og3nr]

Jen: Should I do a Bates Part 2? The rest of us: babe, we want part twos for *all* the fundie families.

[@FiddlebirdBlue]

Excuse me, we want part twos for everything she makes lol

[@janenaughtin8118]

Yass!! Need Sister Wives part 2

[@jillianwildman3511]

Parts 2 3 4 KEEP EM COMIN

[@barclayej]

2nd that

[@maryvampiregirl666]

i need a Jerry Falwell Jr. part 2 ^^

[@oliviahernandez8957]

For my finals I'm writing about child neglect cases, and you bet your ass I'm adding "child neglect, not a good look" to my final draft

[@juliannehannes11]

Don't forget Silvia Likens

[@smittykins]

34:01: “She’s the one who’s most likely to write the tell-all book.” Nailed it, Jen!

[@BirdsFlyingAway]

Love it when Christians say they "love" the lgbt community but can barely hide the disgust/disdain in their voices when they say it. Very convincing! Really feeling the love!

[@EternalDensity]

I'm sure they're delightful to ALL their 0 trans friends.

[@dominicfucinari1942]

And yet Gothardists and their ilk are frustrated that fewer and fewer people, let alone LGBT-etc allies, want anything to do with social, religious, or theopolitical conservatism, and never get any closer to figuring out why.

[@asdfghjkl-oo7lv]

Yes! I don't trust them. They also always claim to have a gay, black, or any other type of minority friend so they "can't" be racist or homophobic. What ever.

[@shallowblue8387]

The transphobia was so disgusting. Gross that they think they're doing LGBT people a favor by not being transparent that they don't think they deserve human rights. Of course we can detect that shit easily so I can garauntee they're not going to have any trans friends lmao.

[@hollydaugherty2620]

@@EternalDensity Lumping all religious people into a category based on your bad experiences is better than what they’re doing, how, exactly??

[@Metro431]

Holy shit that “wisdom” booklet part was the dictionary definition of victim blaming. “Why did God let it happen? Because of immodest dress? Being away from your parents? Just having the audacity to exist?”

[@ddjsoyenby]

"hey i know i r@p3d you and destroyed your life, but it's totally your fault cause you weren't wearing a christian hijab and winking also don't tell the cops cause god'll make you stronger or something idk you tw3lv3 and i'm 40" - the person who wrote those.

[@Windsweptzariel]

I’d to like to ask Gothard if he really believes this shit?

[@bobbiobanion7706]

@@Windsweptzariel He does, I believe in Jens video talks about allegations against him.

[@Raewoo333]

@Lost pelican hell yes it is! That book is scary. You know what brings me comfort.... if even 1% of what these people believe is true then blasphemy is the single unforgivable sin. Blasphemy was translated from a word that was used only 4 other times within the Bible, the only way you can translate any word in the Bible is based on where else it is used in the Bible, and it actually meant "one who claims to speak for God". Not saying God Damn, not qn occasional Jesus Christ when things get on your nerves but actually claiming you know what God is trying to say! If that is the only UNFORGIVABLE sin then I can't wait for these evil bastards to get their God Damn just desserts!!

[@NotHere4ThisShip]

@@Raewoo333 OMG you just made my day. Lol

[@imshinycaptain]

Jill and Derek kept yammering on but all I heard was, "We won't be condescending and hateful to your face. We'll save it for the appropriate moment." How polite of them.

[@dork7546]

@@micheleengel3428 Okay, but you know the Bible has contradictory messages right? So what are we supposed to do, shun gay people or love thy neighbor? There is NO way you can not pick and chose what the bible says because the bible was written by different authors, with different beliefs, over the course of multiple centuries so... you might as well shun gay people or love thy neighbor. It's up to you to decide, but personally, I don't get why so many Christians chose the former when there's only one verse in the entire bible that speaks ill about homosexuals and a ton of other verses in it that tells us to not judge and instead accept people who are different.

[@ryleerogers7998]

I could feel the sarcasm 😂😂

[@Lisah707]

@@dork7546 why love thy neighbor of course! And I think that’s what the comment above was meant to convey 💕

[@issecret1]

"like when we vote on whether you should have rights"

[@shockofthenew]

​@@micheleengel3428 I mean they technically have the right to hold any opinion, but that doesn't make it any less destructive. Imagine saying "I don't think straight couples who are infertile should be allowed to be in relationships because a book told me the purpose of relationships is to reproduce. I think those people should be alone forever. Sorry, just my opinion!" and then half-heartedly saying "well I *guess* I could be friends with an infertile couple, and I *suppose* if they invited me to their home I wouldn't make a point of rubbing their faces in the fact I believe their relationship is a sham and shouldn't be allowed" or even saying "I LOVE the infertile people in my life (I just don't believe they should be allowed to be in relationships but) I'm such a loving person!!!"......... I mean, you're not going to get arrested for saying that, nothing will happen to you. You have the right to hold that opinion. But of course most people will think you are a horrible two-faced person and not want to be around you, and will perceive you publicly stating those beliefs as extremely insulting to infertile people!! Do you see what I mean? As they always say: freedom of speech is not freedom from consequences. In this case the consequences are people around you feel hurt and disrespected and don't want to be your friend any more. Now imagine you took it further and didn't just insult infertile couples in your social circle but actually advocated and campaigned for political policies which would take away their right to be married (including the legal privileges and protections marriage entails, not to mention the emotional impact) because you "disagree with their relationships." Then infertile people would not only think you're a nasty person and not want to be your friend but would rightly feel that you are causing them very real harm. You can use the words 'polite disagreement' all you want and say "it's just how I was raised" and use 🤗 emojis till the cows come home, but in reality it is discrimination based on biological factors people have no control over. It's cruel, it's pointless and people have AT LEAST as much right to criticise you and refuse to associate with you because of it as you have the right to hold your opinions and vote for your chosen policies.

[@sorchahenderson9443]

THEY GIVE JOSH INFINTE CHANCES BECAUSE HES THE ONLY KID THEY ACTUALLY RAISED EVERY KID AFTER HIM WAS RAISED BY ANOTHER KID HE'S THE ONLY ONE THEY BONDED WITH!

[@molls127]

literally like jana and john david turned like five and they were left to fend for themselves

[@jerseygirl9402]

Ooooooh yup, there it is

[@Lauren-xw8bo]

*gasp* truth!

[@savlukeadventures7694]

Holy fuck you’re right

[@tashibalampkin8555]

That a very good point.

[@lizziebassett15]

i swear why can’t these people just chill out and take care of their kids

[@nomoreprivacyanymore]

Doesn't seem to be gods plan unfortunately.

[@iciajay6891]

The way there faith is structured the more fundamental stuff, makes abuse more prone to happen. As the children are not raised with healthy sexuality. I'm a survivor of csa facilitated by extreme religion. It was generational in my paternal aide until I broke they cycle. If you raise your children with the ability to ask questions and healthy attitude to there own bodies, abuse has no place to fester. This is why they are were they are. Repression only breeds abuse.

[@lethargicAilurophile]

Yet they keep on having them... . ... . . ..

[@pansprayers]

Because they couldn't even figure out how to stop HAVING kids when Michelle had a nervous breakdown after the first five. Common sense isn't so common with the Quiverfull.

[@AmSpam]

@@nomoreprivacyanymore if I could give you an award for best comment ever I would.

[@Cookiemonstaroxs]

Independent Baptists: *Ships pastor off to a different church after abuse allegations* Me, a former Catholic: That sounds familiar. i really wonder how that is going to work out for them.

[@dork7546]

My guess is, it's gonna work as well as it does for Jahova's Witnesses, meaning they might face a huge expose in the near by future.

[@sheltertwo7957]

As far as Anna goes, there has to be a point where you ask yourself “would god really want my children in the same home as a predator?” I get that these people view divorce as an unforgivable practice but what about child endangerment? Why isn’t that viewed with the same contention? That doesn’t seem to hold as much stock with them.

[@sailorsaturn12341]

I get the feeling that she may want to leave him, but she has six kids and barely has a high school education because women in their cult are conditioned to be dependent on their husbands. Plus, since Jim Bob controls all of the money she would not receive anything if she tried to leave Josh and take the kids with her. I am not sure if her family would be able to help support her if she tried to leave. All I know is that her upbringing, lack of education, and lack of money are the reasons why she is choosing to stay with her pedophile husband

[@sheltertwo7957]

@@sailorsaturn12341 Yeah that definitely makes sense! I can only imagine how many people in that family are getting in her head right now pressuring her to stand by Josh. I hope she finds a way to get out someday & lives free of all that bullshit.

[@hixo6507]

I would sacrifice my entire self and give my children to people who can care for them and keep them safe until I figure out to support them. I would light myself on fire to keep them from being abused by their own father !! Being broke isn’t an excuse. Get them to safety then figure out the money. Eat dirt for a year and live under a bridge if that means they are safe and away from that dangerous waste of human matter

[@JLynnEchelon]

I also can't reconcile the fact that you're supposed to stand by your man or whatever, but doesn't god also test people? Maybe the test is whether or not you're strong enough to protect your children? I'm not personally religious, but I do find it amazing that people who believe in God think they can possibly know his plan.

[@CheeseCake5990]

Where do they get that divorce is unforgiveable? Josh already cheated in the past, and they do view sexual abuse as sexual sin, so I think CSA content being found on his computer would count as adultery at least to them. And also, Anna is incredibly naïve if she hasn't even pushed for some kind of investigation into whether he was actually abusing their own kids. ANYWAY - yeah, he's doing sexual stuff outside of their marriage. I would think they would think this falls under the umbrella of adultery, Biblically permitting Anna to leave the marriage.

[@Harpsoup]

And then Jen proclaimed, “Haters gonna hate, monochrome it is.” And the Jennonites rejoiced.

[@tianna1116]

🙌

[@jenniferwright834]

Is no one talking about Jen’s skin? Jen, you have the most beautiful glowing skin. Whatever regimen you’re using, it’s working!

[@brandyparker3987]

I was literally about to say this!!! I’m jealous of how great and healthy her skin is.

[@miriamscuderi4680]

I need Jen to drop her face routine NOW.

[@apskalleapa]

My thought exactly! And that haircolor looks amazing against that skin. Reminds me of a Mermaid book I had as a child.

[@smugandsmarmy]

Can we please talk about her eyebrows tho?! Or am I the only paler than pale person who has translucent eyebrows and can’t draw them on to save her life? … Just me? Okay.

[@allisonlandry5823]

Yesssssss I was thinking the same perfection

[@Filecabinet0170]

The Duggers are like the gift that keeps on giving, but in a mouldy, unwanted 100 times re-gifted holiday fruitcake kind of way.

[@CapitalCLYDE]

They’re like herpes. Keeps coming back even tho you really wish it wouldn’t.

[@catherineervin2630]

Two lines into your comment and I immediately thought about fruitcake. Lol

[@evenstar04]

@@CapitalCLYDE yes, herpes... THAT is the best description.

[@katherine5797]

@@CapitalCLYDE Herpes or glitter. When you think you’ve gotten rid of it all, it just creeps back into your life from nowhere.

[@CapitalCLYDE]

@@katherine5797 yes! You can’t ever get rid of either one of those

[@Mels0103]

I feel absolutely terrible for Josh's children. Not just because I'm worried about their wellbeing but also because they have to live with the knowledge of what their father is.

[@lala_lakeypoo]

They will probably brainwash them into believing it was all lies and they won't be able to learn the truth until they're adults. Even then they will be shamed for "going against" their all mighty father 🤦🏼‍♀️ So sad...

[@juliaroseb8226]

i get this feeling they’re the ones in the pictures and videos that were found… it’s very scary

[@lala_lakeypoo]

@@juliaroseb8226 omg I pray that's not the case 😔 if it's true and his wife knew and had another baby with him anyway, it will definitely change my opinion on her

[@jax422]

@@juliaroseb8226 The FBI has confirmed that they weren’t. The images he had were from a source that is apparently famous on the dark web, I can’t remember the name, but the FBI released it. None of the children in the photos were able to be identified which makes me think they likely weren’t American children or they were trafficked children.

[@jax422]

What is worse, they have to live with the fact that everyone else knows what their father did.

[@allieren]

I think it’s important to remember that Anna has absolutely no support outside of the family. So she doesn’t have the benefit of secular counseling or really anything that isn’t skewed toward trying to prove her husband is innocent. Not to mention if he goes to jail she’s facing being a single parent without skills to support herself. I would probably disassociate and make questionable choices, too. I’m sure she’s stuck between self-preservation and sticking by her husband like she’s been trained to do.

[@Juwlz]

I imagine the hate comments you get about your makeup, are from actual fundies who only own makeup products from Mary Kay, Avon and all the other makeup MLMs & actually think applying makeup is solely meant to please your husband & have never understood that playing with makeup is about self expression, fun and making YOU feel good about YOU, not to please other people. You do great, you look amazing.

[@whatthehellisthis]

they’re pressed ‘cause she’s not wearing it in a “god-honoring way”

[@Juwlz]

@@whatthehellisthis lmao 🤣 your comment reminded me of a part of contrapoints video on JK Rowling where she goes *sarcastically* "I like to honor God with my body, I'm honoring God with my sex change"😂

[@VeginMatt]

I figure that if God didn't like brightly coloured things then God probably wouldn't have made rainbows.

[@giareeves4240]

👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 *applause from the peanut gallery*

[@rachelk4805]

lmfao

[@Joannefibracs9994]

“Pro-gun” and “pro-life” has always been such a bizarre combo to me

[@molls127]

doublethink

[@cmjdenver1]

Same with Pro-life and Anti-Vax

[@asdfghjkl-oo7lv]

@@cmjdenver1 lol 🤣

[@juratory8876]

@@cmjdenver1 And the same with being pro-life and pro-death penalty. It makes no sense.

[@kristinccha]

yes I was looking for this comment..They mean pro birth

[@tuesdaypatience]

I have to give Jill a telepathic fist bump every time she interrupts or talks over Derick. Neither of them does that weird gazing thing when the other speaks. Like Jen said, “BABY STEPS!”

[@stephanieocamb4012]

"Children can tell when you choose their romantic relationship over their safety" .....yup.

[@dominicfucinari1942]

I think children whose mothers throw them under the stepfather's bus might be one of the most understated dangers facing children in the US, if not the world. I don't understand how it's so easy to get away with.

[@asdfghjkl-oo7lv]

Yes! My mom put us in danger for staying with my abusive dad. I can tell she stayed with him for her reputation but he was so abusive to us and not a great dad.

[@stephanieocamb4012]

I too have these memories, and more than likely led to me not wanting to have children; I was not going to have history repeat itself and was determined to break the cycle.

[@snailmailbox7298]

So if women are not highly regarded in this family, making Anna the accountability person for Covenant Eyes seems like a perfect way to get away with stuff because does she really have any power in making him do anything? Yay patriarchy.

[@tracey7241]

Exactly. The most she might do is tell Jim Bob.

[@samclarn]

BINGO!

[@lyricrogersofficial]

When I was younger I DESPERATELY wanted to be part of the Duggar family; seeing as I was an only child and felt alone. As I grew up, I started to know better.

[@aliciaweber7519]

I felt exactly the same way. I begged my mom for 13 years for a sibling and never got one

[@tanyalong2606]

"Fundamentalism is the petri dish in which evil grows" - a qoute I found on FB and knew you'd love it.

[@AngelicaNyqvist]

Oh a classic scream into the pillow intro, lemme get some popcorn! 🍿

[@mariec3527]

my literal fav part

[@DarkbutNotsinister]

The first 30 seconds were hysterical!!

[@frumtheground]

A queen also watches another queen's channel. I love it here.

[@shonapushedplay4326]

One of my favourite things about Jen videos is scrolling to see which random KZbinr/s has popped up in the comments this week. Hello Angelica!

[@mintycrackers9810]

I just came from on of your videos. Hello again Angelica :-)

[@ellorakatherine]

The way you mentioned that jill will be the one to write a tell all book and now her tell all is coming out!

[@caracalfashions6435]

I think Jill and Derrick genuinely believe that the LGBTQ are making a "choice". I used to believe this as I was brainwashed too. It was meeting and working with lots of of the LGBTQ community and having many reconstructions of my beliefs that made me see the truth. I think there is hope for Jill and Derrick. They are still young and alot of the beliefs that they were brainwashed with are still sticking. I hope as they experience real life and talk with many people, that they will see what is real.

[@delia_watercolors]

Very true. I like that you noted it is a process to free your brain from all the chains of fundamentalism.

[@kdewit1618]

I agree. They deserve some credit based on where they're coming from and the progress made so far. I feel there is hope for the progress to continue!

[@blondshadow9451]

100% agree. I was a deeply closeted bi trans man and holy fuck I was homophobic and transphobic. I was taught to despise anything LGBTQIA+, I had it preached to me over and over and over that gay people were making a choice and they'd go to hell. I struggled a ton because of my bisexuality. I did like men, but I liked women too. I thought I was "choosing" to NOT be gay by dating a man. I didn't understand bisexuality at all, and because of that it put me into an odd position where it did feel like if I found a girl attractive that I was choosing to do that.

[@FeliciaLeon]

I agree. You can tell Jill & Derrick are struggling with the cognitive dissonance of their changing views and the beliefs they were raised with. The fact said they would use pronouns out of respect really surprised me.

[@HeatherMantica]

I think they separate the “action” of homosexuality from the fact of being gay. It’s like you don’t make the choice to be “same sex attracted” as they say but you make a choice to act on it. I personally don’t see much wrong with them thinking that acting on homosexual feelings is wrong as long as they don’t think being gay means you as a person deserve less rights or as long as they don’t hurt or Harass people because of those beliefs. To get caught up on them not being “perfect” allies is really dumb because a lot of lgbtq people aren’t good allies to other members of the community I mean bisexuality is like never even considered lol. Once they get more and more comfortable with deciding for themselves what they see as “sinful” (like how weird sins have been basically removed as sins) they can grow even more to understand the beauty of the lgbtq community.

[@-alyissa-3632]

I live in Arkansas and it was so weird to see the news talking about Josh's case then immediately after talking about his dad running for government lol

[@pansprayers]

Yeah, I'm currently on the other side of the Earth, and the paradoxical stupidity of that made news here.

[@solarsatori]

Please remind your friends in the area to vote against him. I feel like he might win and that's the last thing we need here.

[@-alyissa-3632]

@@solarsatori yeah I've already told everyone I know that is 18+ to vote

[@vysharra]

@@-alyissa-3632 drive at least 1 person to the polls. My area won a state senate seat by only 12 votes. Most local races are won by

[@-alyissa-3632]

@@vysharra I don't have a car but like I said in a previous comment I am encouraging everyone to vote against him though I cannot vote myself as I am a minor.

[@monicacassar3549]

Out of all the Duggar’s, Jill was the last one I would of guessed going “radical”

[@tater.tot.freak.]

Also, you are helping me deconstruct religious trauma I didn’t even realize I had so thank you endlessly, my new parasocial bff

[@brookemckinley5709]

Omg!! Same!!

[@vysharra]

Omg, we need “Parasocial BFFs” as a subtitle for “Jennonites”. It’s PERFECT

[@dreadfulwater]

“One man’s ethical violation is another man’s monetized KZbin video” T SHIRT RIGHT NOW!!!!

[@kathykiger7548]

Thank you for saying everything I was thinking about how you can’t “disagree” with someone being LGBTQ+. My head was about to explode listening to that clip.

[@amityislandchum]

So, I have a crazy insider connection to this case: one of my friends is a former Secret Service agent who moved to the DHS to investigate child porn/child sex trafficking cases online. He is one of the special agents who uncovered Josh Duggar's crimes. Although he can't give me any specific details (obviously), he did say it's probably the most horrifying case he's seen in his 7 years at this job. Really, really sick stuff.

[@ddjsoyenby]

that is horrifying.

[@noahbossier1131]

That is horrifying

[@GoldenXBoots]

Wow, that is really disturbing and disconcerting to hear. I hope your friend is able to get help to process what he saw during the investigation into Josh Duggar's behaviour.

[@amyvanmechelen4457]

I hope your friend will be ok eventually. How awful.

[@dominicfucinari1942]

Rumors say Josh was downloading hurtcore. The internet is littered with forums and communities of latent pedophiles who don't act upon those urges. And though they carry that dangerous paraphilia inside of them, they explicitly ban hurtcore from their sites and aggressively rat out anyone who dares post or advertise any. Hearing that even most pedophiles loathe hurtcore and condemn it as a bridge way too far even for them, it figures that whatever Josh was downloading would be the worst the Homeland Security agent has ever seen! And if law enforcement can FINALLY nail Josh, even inmates convicted of unrelated TYPES of crimes, who'd been railroaded by the justice system, would probably tear Josh apart out of resentment for all the lucky breaks he got between about '002 and '018.

[@reyl6152]

"you cant disagree with someones humanity" hit me really hard. growing up in a very rural very evangelical christian/fundie environment as a lgbt person, its always been insane to me how people will say they "love" lgbt people but in the same breath they tell us that were going to hell and that our existence is a sin. its just such a strange mentality that some people in the fundie spaces have and weird to experience, like no you dont actually love me because if you loved me and my siblings in the community you wouldnt think that were going to burn in hell! anyway great video as always, hope all is well in life for you ❤

[@jpf77302]

I’m so sorry that this continues to happen in our country. My grandfather committed suicide 25 years ago and fundie helpfully informed me that he was already burning in hell because of his act of selfishness the day after his funeral. It’s extremely difficult to find examples of love and compassion in too many communities that claim to base themselves in gods love.

[@gracehaven5459]

Like "we love you, but change or fuck off"

[@gracehaven5459]

@@jpf77302 my church used to tell me with regularity that my catholic family members were going to hell & to "maintain distance" from their sinful Influence.. lmao!! Also, my Nana was the most objectively moral person I knew & she rarely, if ever, went to mass.

[@thedeviousdevilxx]

I find that people who think like this, tend to believe bigotry of any kind is just a hatred of, but it's much more complex than that. So they can deny their bigotry because if they don't "hate" and profess to "love" then surely they can't be a homophobe, or transphobic, etc etc. Nobody is buying that much anymore.

[@molls127]

no literally like- what is derick smoking

[@megancannon4237]

You have no idea how much I want a “we are fully aggressive, there ain’t nothing passive about this” Fundie Fridays merch item!!!

[@talentosa57]

As soon as that left her mouth, I was like "I don't know how but I need that in writing on something in my life! "

[@willrcole1]

As someone who grew up extremely conservative & religiously Christian, I was kicked out of my church when I came out. Just wanted to say thanks Jen for helping me feel included and giggle along with the rest of y’all to feel a part of a community that actually loves me for me. It’s good to know that I’m not the only one who has been through similar negative instances.

[@aly969]

There are soooooo many LGBTQIA+ friendly Christian churches that are AFFIRMING. I am so sorry you had to go through that. Screw that trauma. If you read about Jesus and your takeaway is “judge and stone” then you lost the plot IMO.

[@amycortez3289]

@@aly969 I tell my mom that every time we speak. Don't preach Jesus to me if you're really just using him as your reason to make people suffer. If the Jesus of the New Testament were here right now, he would want to know why we are using a random geographical border to deny aid to people. Why we are allowing children to die so the adults can have their gun rights. Why so many people are denied humanity in his name. It's all so stupid.

[@aly969]

@@amycortez3289 “the year of living biblically” by AJ Jacobs is a WONDERFUL book that i would HIGHLY recommend as a Christmas present to any ultra conservative Christian family members (or anyone in general tbh) because it shows just how difficult/impossible it is to live all rules in the bible “literally” (because there are so many direct contradictions). It’s very respectful in the way it’s laid out, but very worth the read. Denominations pick and choose and if your church is telling you it’s “their way or the highway” or hating on you for who you love then it’s time to find a new denomination.

[@danascharrer3689]

I love how their focus is parent’s rights when children don’t have any declared rights

[@champagnesupernova777]

If Jim Bob gets into a government seat in any capacity, we are DOOMED. I mean we are already doomed…but we will be even more doomed

[@Onyx421]

Lol we will always be doomed

[@pelicannurse7397]

Degrees of doomed 😂

[@angelzashez]

It's so crazy that JB and Michelle STILL have what anyone would consider to be a big family lol. Like if I met a coworker and she said she had 6 kids between ages 10-17 I'd be like damn.

[@tracey7241]

I just keep thinking about how Anna is probably going to drag all of her kids down to the prison every week to visit their father, assuming he ends up at an institution within driving distance.

[@SaraHinata]

Pretty sad stuff 😓😢

[@molls127]

i don’t think they are allowed to see him

[@minimoomin]

@@molls127 They are currently allowed to see him if she is also there. I’m not sure if that will change once he’s in prison.

[@esthermcafee5293]

“Accountability is a four letter word to them”. Well yeah, if you’re homeschooled by your barely literate older siblings a lot of words get spelled with just four letters…

[@Tazzie1312]

Yeah, no, you can't disagree with someone's right to exist as their whole authentic selves and still be "friends"

[@sillygoosegoose]

i feel like in jill and her husband’s whole talk, they didn’t stop to question whether any lgbtq+ people would want to be friends with them. i can assure you the answer is no.

[@marylovesss]

I’m part of the LGBTQIA+ community and I will confirm that, no, we do not wish to be their friend.

[@molls127]

lol right?? doubt they’ve ever met an lgbtq+ person- at least jinger’s starting to realize religion is a personal thing and not your whole life

[@Tazzie1312]

For the record I am also queer XD

[@tarajh]

This!

[@classified773]

“You can’t disagree with someone’s humanity.” - Book of Jen; 11:26

[@Zeerotohero]

Naming the baby Madison could be a way to divert search results like what Disney did when they named the movie Frozen

[@amoribund]

Naming the child Madison could possibly be a bizarre attempt at search engine manipulation. Looking up the members of the family alongside "Madison" could be made to yield results about the child instead of the cheating scandal, with enough effort.

[@carlymatthews3532]

Ooh I feel like this is it

[@dogscott7881]

Oh gross 🤢 I’m afraid your right

[@SjofnBM1989]

That's so fucked up....

[@angrybear86]

@@SjofnBM1989 it's lawful but morally awful

[@truffles2721]

It is Josh being defiant and proud of himself.

[@baileymoran8585]

Pro tip: everyone who has to tell others that they do their make up better than someone else, doesn’t actually do their make up well. They might know how to use face tune, or they don’t have any makeup pics on their social media. I’m a MUA and I have met many women who wanted me to teach them how to do their own make up because some stranger online told me their makeup sucked. When I said ‘bet that assface isn’t no pro,’ they were far from it. Your hater doesn’t even realize that monochromatic makeup is a look many people choose, especially when using brights.

[@elainaveasey5831]

Right? And tbh we all start somewhere. I bet those people making mean comments wouldnt want their old facebook profile pictures with frosty shadow and mega orange foundation pulled up for all to see. Jens makeup looks are fun and colorful! She isn’t a professional makeup artist. We cares if a look isn’t perfect?

[@victoriashevlin8587]

So true. I love Jens bright eyeshadows, but I couldn't wear them as to my eyes, they don't suit me. However I love my makeup styles and spent YEARS slowly growing in confidence and refining my skills. If you have a way to help someone who is not using the right foundation, or something, then cool. Help politely by offering your assistance, and be honest about your own journey to your skills. Or you could say, something positive-and true- like, I love your eyeliner. You know I was just thinking about how such and such foundation/powder would be amazing on your skin tone... There's no need to be cruel or belittle people.

[@kyleeguthrie1787]

Agree with this so much & it’s literally just makeup !!! it makes me so mad that people still care to comment on how someone’s makeup looks 🤦🏼‍♀️ I love Jen’s super cute color block eyeshadow looks !!

[@Fiona-68]

She does makeup like real people do makeup. Newsflash. I don't have the skills or time for 3 different colors and shading and all the bullshit. No one cares. I'd be willing to bet most people don't even bother with base. Point is it's like Real People hun.

[@HoneyD109]

also it’s not like this is a tutorial channel. i should hope not at least 😖

[@chloe_3787]

I hope Jinger can someday get to the point that she can say she was traumatized by Josh’s abuse, not just the moment the abuse was publicized.

[@LilMissClementine]

Can we get a King James video where he shows the connections between these fundie families in the style of the red string/conspiracy episode from Always Sunny in Philadelphia? Please and thank you.

[@MissCarlyJoy]

Yes! Fundie family tree

[@Bakedbri]

Please!

[@lionabby123]

I am BEGGING JEN

[@mellie4174]

yes!!

[@tiffanys9411]

You just named something I need badly but wasn’t aware lol

[@briyawnuh]

When I lived closer to her, my knitting bestie and I would hang out, talk about your videos/our own religious traumas, knit, and watch Ghibli movies. So thanks for being part of that

[@audreymckinney1023]

I knit while I watch Jen too!

[@airypersiflage]

The wholesomeness 😭😭😭😭😭

[@helenstory9924]

Jill and Derrick : “ we are progressing. We are no longer prejudiced or phobic when we might get caught or called out” I like these guys and admire the steps they’ve taken away from the Duggar storm but they’ve a ways to go.

[@futuredeadcamper1736]

He has never once had to face accountability for his shitty and horrific actions. Not even when he was doing things to his own siblings. And now he and his family are in a mess because the church can’t hide them and make it go away.

[@dominicfucinari1942]

Gothard's close to 9 decades old, and deserves to pay for all his transgressions with young girls by getting locked up for his golden years. But Josh is into hurtcore, which entails he could be a *lot* more dangerous, so I wouldn't have much pity if Josh rotted in a federal pen for the next 4 decades or so!

[@alicia379]

If there’s any KZbinr who deserves their platform and success, it’s you(and James). You’re actual good, empathetic humans. That’s rare in this space. And to top it off, you’re doing important work. Congrats on everything! ❤️

[@asdfghjkl-oo7lv]

Yes! I can see the sincerity, hardwork, and pride in these videos! Well deserved!

[@jenneh8816]

"When your kids are living off a half a cup of rice and Plexus, you've gone too far." Jill Rodrigues is that you??

[@apolloforabetterfuture4814]

Every new Duggar video is another fresh injection of pain. How's your island doing Jen?

[@brookebailey4330]

This is kind of off topic, but who cares how Jen does her makeup? I actually like how she's does it because she does it like me. A normal girl just doing it the best she can and it makes us feel good. What else matters.

[@teamcougars]

SI agree, Jen always looks great! I would love to have a chance to sit down with a cup of coffee and chat with her💗💗

[@catherineervin2630]

Well said

[@jasminelambert3753]

Her makeup isn’t exactly my style (I’m a boring neutral gal usually lol) but that literally doesn’t matter. I’m here for the fundie snark and her fantastic breakdowns of these people. She could be wearing literal clown makeup and I wouldn’t care at all. It’s not like she’s out here selling makeup classes or anything lol she’s just having fun and wants something to do while she talks about these people

[@mw7845]

I think her makeup looks great too. I love a monochrome eye, and she shades and shapes it way better than I ever could

[@flbreglass]

I know right, the content is her words, not her fantastic makeup🤍

[@angelaa7388]

These quiverfull families don't reach out for government assistance because then their home life would be up for scrutiny, and the abuse/neglect in the household would come to light and likely some intervention would occur.

[@CeceJianni]

I don't understand how you can create a huge family and completely derail, tactically abuse, and control them this way- yet at the same time refuse to hold Josh accountable for the things he's done and continues to do. If you love someone, you don't do that.

[@asdfghjkl-oo7lv]

I bet if it was a woman they will disown her. They let a lot of things pass because he is a "man".

[@jst6r]

Period

[@megt4622]

I have just had the worst morning and I opened this app and shouted “it’s fundie friiidaayyyyyyyy!” Thanks for that. ❤️

[@FuzzyLittleWolf123]

Same here, friend! Here's to a good rest of our days and a happy Fundie Friday!!

[@elakinireland3637]

Oh my God , totally the same, no matter where I am I am shouting Fundieeeee

[@mandappb]

Josh Duggar isn’t the reason we clicked on the video, you are Jen. Thank you for making us think, laugh, and want to experiment with makeup in equal measure. You are the beautiful snarky icon we deserve 🙏

[@muellerphyllis]

I am 56 years old and I love your channel. You are intelligent and informed. I so appreciate your voice on these religious groups. My family, via my mother, had been involved in religious groups like this since I was very small. I have a brother and sister that still live on an end time farm in Alaska. I have stories about these leaders that would make your blood curdle. Bless you for giving the victims of this garbage a voice:) I’m sure I can speak for most of us that we love you!

[@dominicfucinari1942]

It makes me grateful *both* that I wasn't raised under sectarian conservatism *and* that I watched America's Most Wanted as a teenager. It taught me that spiritual abusers, sex offenders hiding behind church leadership titles, and violent criminals justifying their evil with fringe theological thoughts, don't deserve the respect that most of United Statish society gives their spirituality by default. I can't stand how I'm expected to presume them benevolent by definition.

[@muellerphyllis]

@@dominicfucinari1942 people do many things in the name of God to justify their deception. I do believe we have something in us that knows it isn’t right. I wish America’s most wanted had been around when I was a kid:)

[@tinas_hotdog_sophie]

Jen, have you watched the interview of the 2 Turpin girls on 20/20? It made me cry buckets what these kids went through. Compared to those parents, the Duggars are Angels (not Josh. Never Josh)

[@kiraanne3524]

I did! It was awful. Absolutely awful

[@calamitynatalie8590]

While watching this I realised I would love a breakdown of the fundamentalist beliefs of the Turpin parents. I really would think Jen could do this in a loving, compassionate and respectful way.

[@belindarocky961]

@@calamitynatalie8590 I'm wondering if the parents have even been open about their beliefs anywhere? I agree with you. I'd be super curious to hear.

[@calamitynatalie8590]

@@belindarocky961 I’ve heard snippets here and there but a well put together and comprehensive breakdown would be enlightening and interesting!

[@CheeseCake5990]

I cried and cried all morning learning about that case and watching the new special released with the interviews. I think those parents had distinct issues compared to the Duggars - they tortured those kids using the Bible to justify it. The commonality, I think, is that they were at least early on Pentacostal and were involved in the Quiverfull movement. Everything else seems very, very different.

[@vidkidz83]

I grew up IFB. We had a church building, but never did anything with other Baptist churches and relied on the interpretation of our singular pastor. Fear of hell was very real and I'm still undoing the damage; I see you all 💓⚛

[@purplemusiclover1597]

Thank you Jen! They aren’t disagreeing with a hobby or a tv show they are disagreeing with someone as a person being allowed to exist or have rights

[@bee-pv8ph]

Yes exactly! And fundamentally disagreeing that they are who they are, which is an absolutely advanced form of gaslighting

[@MelissaJSams]

Jill and Derick are the "love the sinner, hate the sin" type.

[@whatthehellisthis]

hopefully they’re able to steer away from that mentality now that they’re out of the clutches of jill’s parents.

[@helixmoore7636]

Well Im just flat out going to hate evil people.

[@summersys]

They’ve literally said this in their LGBT Q&A video

[@summersys]

@@whatthehellisthis i doubt it

[@vinregret]

I know the type, I grew up all around them. All I can say is from what I've seen (cannot speak for people I don't know) they *think* they're doing the best they can. For the most part they aren't hate filled people, at least not consciously. Unconscious biases and preconceived notions, definitely full of those. Just lost tbh.

[@introusas]

Oh lord, that whole clip of them claiming to support gay rights is just painful to watch. It’s a nice way of saying “we think gay people are gross but we know we’re not allowed to say it.”

[@summer_the_rae]

i have friends i disagree with (ex: i'm jewish and my friend is an atheist, but we respect each other's opinions), but if someone thought that my very existence was a sin then there's no way in hell we're being friends

[@asdfghjkl-oo7lv]

Exactly! Like you can disagree on religion or political views but when it comes to lifestyles that is your identity (LGBTQ+) or race (something you can change) how can you be friends with someone who you don't support 100% just for being alive.

[@mellie4174]

ya i'd like to know who are these lgbtq people that just love hanging out with them!??

[@juratory8876]

@@asdfghjkl-oo7lv Amen!

[@clairee527]

@@mellie4174 probably the gays for trump crowd

[@bee-pv8ph]

@@asdfghjkl-oo7lv also lgbtq plus isn't a lifestyle just to add

[@victoriakee61]

May your island be an oasis of peace during these trying times.

[@feleciaeaton5232]

I am so thankful that I found you. I was raised in the IFB movement , married to a pastor. I was destroyed mentally and emotionally. I have just discovered the movement against IFB! I wasn't crazy!!! I love your humor. You have helped me in healing. Thank you. I'm also impressed by how quickly you can do a great eyebrow. :)

[@kathleenuclear]

I hate people who comment on other people's makeup skills. style isn't always indicative of skill level and honestly unless it's your own face, why do you care what someone else does to their face? I love the looks that you do, and anyone here is usually here for the subject matter, not for a tutorial, so idk what people are expecting. also LOVING the new hair! it looks fantastic 💜💖

[@miltoncat]

My MIL died suddenly last week and I am here cleaning out her house. This helped me a lot today, to listen to FF while doing a grim task. Thank you. ❤️❤️❤️❤️

[@GoldenXBoots]

My condolences to you and your family ♥️

[@miltoncat]

Thanks everyone. Husband is okay so far but the reality hasn’t hit us yet. After the funeral is when I think he’ll feel it and I’m dreading it for him. Pretty sure his mom had a stroke.

[@LuminescentHouseHippo]

I’m so sorry for your loss. I’ve helped clean out a house, it’s so hard. Thinking of you both.

[@magicalwatermelon5147]

“I don’t think you’re supposed to put a baby and a toddler and stack them on each other” I was playing Tetris rights as you said that and I couldn’t stop laughing.

[@moon_moodlet]

It took me so long to learn that you don't need to be a "beauty guru" to enjoy makeup, just like you don't need to be a "perfect artist" to enjoy making art. Same can apply to most things. Being perfect is overrated. Having fun should be the main goal, always.

[@abigail1994]

'...half a cup of rice & Plexus' 🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️ always grateful for the great content, Jen!!

[@laurag7303]

and at last Jen proclaimed, “child neglect? not the look sweetie!” and the masses reveled in Her holiness

[@tmoore1144]

My mom would call us by each others names all the time. Every mother does it. How did Michelle even remember all her kids names? And you know they all got called at least 4 or 5 of their siblings names before she got to theirs when she started yelling.

[@catbunfish]

She probably has it easier...can just call them all "J", and not worry about who answers, lol. *every parent*....my husband is worse at calling our kids by other names than I am XD but agreed!

[@Nirrrina]

And I thought calling my cat the wrong name was bad.

[@jacquelinerobnett2257]

this topic is no laughing matter however, Jen my god you never fail to make me laugh my ass OFF every video. I love you and your personality

[@hippiedachshunds1632]

Well said!

[@MeaghanCates]

“Half a cup of rice and plexus” somewhere Jill Rodrigues is QUAKING

[@elijahculper5522]

As a gay man who grew up in a very legalistic religious household, I think we should be cutting Jill some slack. People don’t wake up one morning and realize that everything they thought they knew was a lie and suddenly change all of their beliefs at once. Changing your worldview is a process and it isn’t always fast. It’s ok if the process of leaving behind oppressive religious views takes time. And I for one appreciate any movement away from bigotry. I’d much rather be in a room full of people who disagree with my sexuality but still see me as a person than in a room full of people who aren’t willing to discuss anything other than how I’m damned for being queer. Jill and Derek see their faith as an intrinsic part of their identity. Just like I see my sexuality as an intrinsic part of my identity. I can disagree with them and think that their most closely held beliefs are nonsense but still respect them and be cordial with them if I was to interact with them. If they’re at a place where that’s how they feel about people like me, I’m fine with that. I wish them the best.

[@Meganec3810]

That is so well put thank you

[@anacrea3931]

I love "pro gun and pro life" coupled together on Jim Bob's campaign page.

[@jerseygirl9402]

I was hoping someone else caught that! Made me cringe-laugh

[@ruthrobinson2232]

When I first saw the Duggar’s years ago on tv, I thought they seemed like a caring loving family. …… turns out I was spectacularly wrong!! Love the videos you put out! Keep up the good work. Much love from the uk ❤️❤️❤️ xx

[@Moon_in_a_Hat]

If Janna ever wants to join the alphabet mafia and and have a laid-back farm life, I would personally like to volunteer to be her “roommate.” I promise to drive her to therapy on time and love her always. And anyone who wants to unpack that with me is welcome to lol

[@RajalaRime]

Get in line!!

[@yourgirlchase]

I always love your makeup, as someone who is just branching out from my rut of using only neutrals and some (seldom used) metallics, I appreciate when people aren’t afraid to use a lot of colourful makeup. I was hoping you were going to do one pink and one purple eye, that would be a really cool look! Especially on the opposing sides of your pink and purple hair 😃

[@sunnimckenzie2381]

Ahhhhh!!!! Jen, I just watched you on the Dugger documentary!! I was like, "hey I subscribe to her"!! Congratulations, it was all fantastic!❤

[@quarterblindsocialworker]

It’s pretty clear that this video broke you in someways, I am so sorry for that. As an aspiring social worker who has worked with survivors of childhood sexual abuse and sexual assault I can honestly say that the Joshi Duggar stuff is incredibly triggering. I cannot imagine what it must be like to have reporting on this is your job with no back up and no ability to decompress and get this stuff out of your system. If you ever need to talk I would be happy to help I am not licensed yet but I’m getting there. Also James did an amazing job on the last video and it was really awesome. I’m sorry you had to do this and I’m also very sorry that you will feel the need to report on the verdict, you are doing the universe’s work and I appreciate your crusade. Be blessed and stay in your truth .

[@AllergyPuppy]

Big flex on that commenter to be using THREE whole colors of eyeshadow. We got an MUA in that lighthouse. Thank you for your work as always

[@christinaadelinemartinez6431]

I am so happy I found your channel. I was raised in a conservative catholic school and i stopped going to church last year. I’m 21. And I’ve been apart of the Catholic Church since I was baptized at 3 months old. Your channel has helped me heal my religious trauma. Love you so much! Sending love from Michigan!

[@jamkwasowski5207]

What a relief to know that Jill and Derek would still want to be my friend despite the fact that I'm queer... or a murderer 🙄🙄🙄

[@thepanpiper7715]

Right? Big fucking talk for someone who tried to run over a cat with a sled.

[@shroomshroom5945]

Me: jesus! It can't get that much worse, right? Jen: *screaming into pillow* Me: well that answers that

[@ddjsoyenby]

me: ya know not f'ing up this bad should be easy.......right duggars.

[@amethyst5512]

I don’t know if you know this, but Emily D Baker is covering the legal side of the Duggar case. She’s a lawyer who focuses on explaining the legal language of the filings in well known cases (usually pop culture related).

[@MyNatasha1982]

I would love to see a joint effort video ♥️♥️♥️

[@auntlynnie]

I heard that Anna was, indeed, Josh’s accountabilibuddy, which is messed up since the IBLP teaches that if a husband strays, it’s the wife’s responsibility, since she must not be meeting his needs. What sort of accountability could she hold over him (since the “husband is the head of the wife”)?

[@thepanpiper7715]

Right? She needs to obey her headship, whom she must also hold accountable? How the fuck are any of them expecting that to actually work?

[@annecooper7010]

I grew up in a liberal Episcopal family but went Jesus Freak in college &, sadly, spent a few decades in the nondenominational world. I love your work - accurate, well-researched, intelligent, informative, & intriguing, (love both you & James. I'm still living in Tulsa due to financial constraints but left my church, my friends, & my political party since I woke up as I saw Trump was picking up speed in his presidential campaign & seriously contemplated Germany in the '30s. Glad to see you & others like you as I reconstruct my life on my own terms.

[@voyagerkat22]

I understand your stuck in Tulsa feeling. I live 20 mins from the Duggars and have seen them in the wild on occasion at a local store (mainly Sam's Club). I am glad to know that some people even on the right had alarms go off on Trump, as I do not hear enough about that. Good luck on your journey, I know it is tough making a go of it on your own.

[@mckalahanes4203]

Jill and Derrick in that video sound a lot like me when I was in high school and transitioning from being a “straight” evangelical to a lesbian “chill Christian” to now a lesbian non-binary atheist I’m interested to see their evolving over the next few years

[@sassylittleprophet]

I know. I was raised in the IFB cult, and I went from a "straight" fundamentalist, to a chill Christian lesbian, to a nonbinary atheist lesbian. Everyone else is like "they're not accepting and are speaking condescendingly," but what I keep thinking is "but they're respecting pronouns," like, do you know how RARE that is for fundamentalist Christians? We're taught to believe that "calling people out on their sin" is the right thing to do, calling someone by their preferred pronouns is specifically seen as a BIG no no (because you're encouraging them to lie to themselves). I recognise it's a baby step, but coming from fundie culture, this is a HUGE baby step. Like, just having LGBTQ+ friends AT ALL (outside of the fundie bubble) . . . I don't think people who weren't raised IFB understand how HUGE this is. Those LGBTQ+ friends are no doubt making them question EVERYTHING they've ever been taught about that. Like . . . I realise it's still painful and they still have a long way to go, but as a former fundie, this is huge.

[@Lisah707]

I agree with you 100%

[@katherine900]

Real as hell

[@frostedlollies]

I can never resist a good Duggar scandal