All About Paul & Morgan

[@PUNK69420]

This man wakes up every day, mad that he was a virgin until marriage and makes it everyone’s problem

[@alexwyatt2911]

This comment made me laugh so hard that I had to pause the video until I could compose myself. I just had this mental image of Paul asleep and frowning before his morning alarm goes off. He wakes up and gets even more pissy as the realization washes over him-he’s still a fucking loser.

[@MiscellaneousBLKGirl]

*screams*

[@lindseyhendrix2405]

Omg you nailed it here.

[@tan_the_man]

this shouldn't have made me cackle as much as it did omfg 😭😭

[@magzdilluh]

he also just straight up says that he can't pleasure Morgan, you couldn't waterboard that kind of info out of me

[@davidross8242]

Paul saying “slave owner’s rights are human rights” made my appendix grow back and it ruptured again

[@Buttondor345]

Right 😵‍💫

[@naomirmckay3368]

I felt such freaking sorrow when he said that, lol. And Morgan’s just like “…” 🙃🔪

[@andreagudal6775]

🤬🤬🤬

[@lucmac6680]

@@andreagudal6775 i haven’t finished the video and just glanced at the comments and hOLY SHIT WHAT THE FUCK???

[@LapostropheAura]

I can't even figure out what point he was trying to make with that, like ????????

[@bigpphaver6972]

as a biracial person i'm so tired of people acting like interracial couples in media is "forcing wokeness", like that's literally my life. they don't realize how common interracial marriages are cuz they live in a bubble

[@raveneskridge3143]

sounds about white

[@naomirmckay3368]

And like, not everywhere had the same history of segregation that North America had and continues to have. I’m from the Caribbean which is soooo racially diverse it’s insane to me that people think “interracial” marriage is woke lololol

[@naomirmckay3368]

Like, is being blasian woke? Is existing as a non-white person in white America “enforcing wokeness”? Trust a guy named after the worst genocidal maniac in the Bible to say yes lmao.

[@freshmozzarello]

Morgan's response makes it even more obvious how horrible Paul's take is on that. She's just like "I didn't even notice it", which is exactly how a normal person would react to that

[@delarosamoni]

Same here! It's so common in my life because my parents are an interracial couple, and I was raised as a military brat, so most of the kids I grew up around are interracial. Most of my friends and myself are in interracial relationships.

[@newtpollution]

Paul wants to get Morgan lobotomized so badly, he just lives in the wrong era for that to happen

[@patriceescalle9709]

He was super mad when he found out Stepford Wives wasn't an informercial

[@hashtagmate]

It almost feels like she was. She looks like she's constantly on drugs/being drugged. She used to be more "present" cognitively

[@alim.9801]

​​@@patriceescalle9709 this comment should not be as funny as it is omg 😭

[@Ugly_German_Truths]

he liked his own lobotomy, so...

[@michaelcoughlin5308]

He is giving Handmaid’s Tale Commander here.

[@frostbluez]

Morgan is a perfect example of someone who is both a victim and an oppressor at the same time

[@happytofu5]

I think its also the perfect example for problems being a systemic issue, not necessarily personally and morally.

[@olive4093]

cis white women often fall in that category for obvious reasons

[@manderly33]

White womanhood in a nutshell.

[@bipolartorecovery1485]

i've lived this. i couldnt finish the video. Good on Jen for making a hard one. But I think i'll go watch one of the more fun ones, Still wanted to post a comment to help the algorithm. She;s helped me unpack alot of what i've had going on, still wanted to give jen a bit of credit

[@matcha9250]

@@bipolartorecovery1485 i wish you luck on recovery 💖

[@Natalie-mr7ec]

They talk about Morgan like she’s a geriatric shelter dog that Paul was kind enough to adopt

[@statusdisarray9598]

Well said!

[@spacebunniie289]

agreed! I think its important to acknowledge that she is a victim of circumstance but also a perpetrator of abuse as well but many seem to overlook the latter and just surmount that behavior to 100% Paul’s fault

[@emmamlis927]

BROOOOO LMAOOOO she deserves better

[@cherrydrop7025]

Don't let her go near Brittany Dawn's hubbie

[@mikehat7652]

@Emmamlis does she though?

[@salemokeefe1214]

Paul was just BEGGING his wife to be as bothered by interracial couples as he is for no reason

[@cantocant2346]

Yes! Her "unbotheredness" was triggering him hard! You could see the mean energy all over him when she was talking.

[@basementdwellercosplay]

She literally didn't care, like even she thought it wasn't worth her time. It's already dumb but even his wife thinks it's not worth a time

[@LunaCidnie]

Yeah what was that. I didn't know interracial couples were "woke."

[@DannyD-lr5yg]

@@cantocant2346 yeah, he reminded me of ClassicallyAbby/Ben Shapiro’s sister’s a-hole husband in that portion. He was giving vibes that especially reminded me of the video Abby made with him about their opinions on every Quentin Tarantino movie 🥴

[@DD-jr3mq]

@@cantocant2346 my ex was bothered I didn't judge others for no reason and at that moment I realized he wasn't worth it. He just wanted to feel better than

[@perniciouschattel5211]

I identify with Morgan vomiting during Paul's vows. Experiencing nausea is my reaction to almost everything out of his mouth.

[@helenacosta7872]

I Gaspped so Hard!

[@saraleigh5336]

Well said.

[@sashalynn6087]

My terrible thought was, " Hunny, that was a sign from God that this is a bad idea."

[@jojocaitlin8508]

I've NEVER seen a person react like that at their wedding... I wanna feel bad for her that she has to live with him but they're both hateful human beings that deserve each other fully.

[@hashtagmate]

I literally thought girlfriend this is your body warning you!!! Your body knows

[@kellymartin9556]

"Her standards were just so low and naive" Dude, those standards are why she picked you

[@DJ5780]

😂

[@Zero-oq1jk]

hhaha, that was funny. although, i think not true

[@shilohgoes5544]

It’s the reason he chose her too.

[@alwaysflushinpublic]

Raised IBLP/Ind. Fundie. Baptist I recognize the complex issue of Morgan having been a victim of an abusive environment, becoming a misogynistic adult responsible for her own actions while jumping into a marriage formed and built on abuse. She appears to be the childhood victim who jumped into an abusive relationship yet she, herself, is responsible for her adult decisions to perpetuate this type of abusive relationship. Definitely I wish that every victim of this thinking may have the option I had to pursue a sec. Uni degree. It took 9 yrs for me to fully deprogram; I completely realize just how lucky I am to have escaped.

[@Zero-oq1jk]

@@alwaysflushinpublic Don't you think you just just want to see your drama in her life you know almost nothing about? Anyway. circle of sin. But you cannot escape life of sin unless you repent for your own. We are all fallen man. None is right but Jesus. We are just different scales of bad.

[@LoyaltyQueen]

calling postpartum bodies undesirable and ugly right after your partner has given birth is WILDDDDD

[@lf5802]

"but not you Morgan, you've done such a great job" eww

[@mariaquiet6211]

@@lf5802 why do they put this shit out there Like ffs I feel like this is something I'm not supposed to see.

[@necroflowers2244]

@@lf5802 Seriously, he treats her like a pet. The language he uses to describe her behavior. It's like he's showing off a mare or something.

[@Houseofbjds]

I seriously hope that karma will get to Paul.

[@katherinerex9067]

@@lf5802 🤢🤢🤢

[@alexandraeconomou2421]

It’s wild because Morgan is SO close to the mark so many times- “I didn’t notice the interracial couples, that’s not a big deal” “people shouldn’t compare their lives to the holocaust” “not everyone who is a mom has carried their child”- and yet she STILL misses it

[@badger6728]

she has so many toxic influences in her life. I don't think it's a stretch to say it's possible that she's secretly harbouring leftist thoughts but represses them deep, deep down because if she ever said what she really feels out loud she'd get berated or beaten by her asshole husband or her asshole husband's father.

[@laurahoilman357]

Right?? Makes me so sad for her. I think there’s a world where she could be so much happier but I also think she’ll stay with Paul as long as he’ll have her ☹️

[@veronica5lmaa]

I think her husband wouldn't let her hit the mark

[@zi6803]

She just looks so done half of the time

[@Sarah-re7cg]

I KNOW 😭 and then Paul goes and gaslights her and you can see her retreating. I’m watching emotional abuse in real time and I have to pause this video throughout watching it tbh

[@paperbackreader]

Morgan claiming that sexual sin was the main factor causing her depression and anxiety, then going on to say her WORST bout of depression and anxiety was during her first year of marriage??????????? It’s not adding up

[@maryannvalerio9869]

Well, actually it does. Because marrying Paul, a virgin Christian man who clearly seems to have a thing about her not being a virgin, just made her feel even more ashamed, and therefore vulnerable to anxiety and depression. She must have felt like, because she couldn't save her virginity for her husband, she was a bad wife and a bad person and being married kept bringing up incidents that made her feel like a failure and start spiraling.

[@MalloryNewcomb]

@@maryannvalerio9869Dang. That’s just sad. Especially when he said the opposite in one of the videos that I watched: that she made a decision not to pursue that direction in her life anymore and decided she wanted to wait until marriage from that point & he said “how could I hold over her head what God’s forgiven?” Which is a nice thought fitting with their belief system. So my question is does he not live that out with his actions?

[@CaitFalconer]

@@MalloryNewcombThat’s a line I’ve heard on multiple occasions in evangelical communities. He knows he’s supposed to say that, whether or not his actual thoughts and feelings align.

[@MalloryNewcomb]

@@CaitFalconer I see. :/ Such a shame. Cuz I remember a time I unironically watched their videos and while I thought her apologizing was weird (elevating her husband to near god level) & I took that line as something meant sincerely and it stayed with me. Used it in my life, like for real. I hope that people don’t get the idea this is how typical Christians act.

[@hashtagmate]

@@maryannvalerio9869she didn't just feel this way out of nowhere HE made a point to MAKE her feel this way. I'm also sure she isn't allowed to say no to sex because she is "a dirty slut she liked sex so much she wasn't a virgin so how can she say no". Not that christian women have the right to say no anyway, but I can just picture him screaming horribly abusive shit at her

[@someonerandom256]

She knows how it feels to be bullied, and yet chooses to bully others because they are different than her.

[@smokyquartz5817]

Shit rolls downhill. That's the only break she gets. Always that way.

[@danysanerd2383]

Hurt people; hurt people.

[@morgan3918]

It seems like she has so much anxiety about everything (I'm right there with ya, unfortunate name twin) and so, she chose a husband who would basically make the bulk of her own choices for her. I guess it must feel better to be the bystander wife to the bully than it is to be the victim for once? But good Lord, I just want to give this woman a hug, a pep talk, and a grilled cheese cut diagonal.

[@johndoe4110]

Those who are bullied often become the bully. It's a bad coping mechanism.

[@raquelnunes9793]

If she has to live this way and be trapped in this culture how dare others not conform as well. Who do they think they are? Its just sad :/

[@liv-bv3pl]

Paul referring to a post partum body as “letting themselves go” is INSANE.

[@patchesthepatchworkkitty246]

oh yeah that lady really let herself go when she… pushed an entire baby out of her

[@youknowimright1725]

You have to work really hard after giving birth, I know I did

[@Fourblackcatz]

I feel so bad for his wife. If she had depression/anxiety before I can only imagine how much worse it’s gotten after having a baby and him as a husband.

[@hagelslag9312]

We all know you just manifest babies out of thin air. It's not like your body does all the work. She just ate too much. /s

[@Mama_Bear524]

@@FourblackcatzI mean I do hope she’s “cured” of her depression but I don’t think that’s possible so the likely reality is that she’s suppressing it. Which is worrisome.

[@kennedyhigdon4872]

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. Morgan throwing up at her wedding was her subconscious desperately trying to save her. I don’t pull this card often, but I’m a licensed therapist, and I truly believe this.

[@angelsnaiilz]

yeah, that’s just chilling. seeing her whole vibe around him when he’s going on rants is so uncomfy.. girl get out of there

[@carolyntalbot947]

I couldn't agree more.

[@grace_low]

I believe that your body rejects bad energy in the same way it rejects bad food or too much alcohol. Her body was for sure telling her to get out

[@lilafeldman8630]

I totally agree! I'm not a therapist but I have done a lot of therapy and had similar symptoms.

[@MoonColouredDemon]

I’m fully with you on this. I believe in psychology and gut instinct. Everytime that clip pops up I get a heavy feeling. Like the bottom will drop out for her at any second.

[@mary.b.93]

Paul is the perfect example of personality making someone unattractive.

[@rowanquynn9964]

He's the kind of guy you see from across the room and go "wow... he's good looking." And then he starts talking to you and you go "wow. He's hideous."

[@07Flash11MRC]

I feel the same way about Morgan. I just don't know how much of what she's saying are her own thoughts or just ideas Paul and other Fundies implanted into her.

[@XYZ-kb3mm]

@@07Flash11MRC i get the strong sense that she has no actual identity because she can barely even pretend to have confidence in paul’s ideas half the time (visibly wincing/cringing and refusing to verbally agree with him when prompted by him) but then just agrees at the end, probably as some weird obedience of husband thing. disturbing. a little side note, to me it is extra interesting that she’s been diagnosed with BPD and a huge part of that disorder is an unstable identity.

[@tcaprecap1448]

He's got those Patrick Bateman vibes - an attractive, charming psychopath.

[@dawnamariamiriam]

THIS! The personality is 🤢🤢🤮🤮

[@alyssaparsons8364]

Jokes on Morgan, I had depression and anxiety BEFORE the premarital sex 😎

[@ItsLexy]

She would just say that you were sinning in other ways and that's why. In Evangelicalism depression is actually by many considered a sin in of itself. They say you're "choosing" not to "glory in god's plan" and equate it to sloth when depression leaves you sapped of energy. They'll even say 6 year olds are sinning if they have any mental health issues.

[@georgiabundick]

i was diagnosed w autism after premarital sex… serves me right 😔

[@alyssaparsons8364]

@@georgiabundick the fact that im going for testing for the tism 💀 if only we didn’t sin so much

[@Ouchiness]

@@georgiabundick damnnn serves you right /(joke)

[@angrbodaloren]

Girrrrllll you & me both 💀💀

[@amberdurst4820]

what morgan's therapist probably told her is that she will always be vulnerable to depression, and there is no magic cure that "sets her free," but she misconstrued that in her head in such a weird way.

[@lynnfrancke7926]

Yes her therapist was doing the responsible thing by being upfront and stating there’s no cure for depression.

[@isamayoge8736]

Thought this too. Morgan is a terrible narrator.

[@katherinecartier1778]

I bet the therapist was also talking about her BPD, too. Unfortunately, that diagnosis is not something that will disappear, and she will have to manage it for the rest of her life.

[@dominicfucinari1942]

Morgan Hawley '007 probably got conditioned into thinking every condition that's hard to understand and doesn't have visible symptoms could be chased away through spiritual warfare. Her sect has to be among the most loathsome this world has ever seen.

[@rosaliegonzalez7315]

As someone who both deconstructed and struggles with mental illness I can speak on the fact that 'being cured' totally and completely is very deep rooted in the idea that god is your only savior so when the mental illness doesn't completely go away forever it directly challenges that idea, wish she couuld've received that news better than she did :/

[@ryanhburnette]

“…living in sexual sin was literally being eaten alive…” Only if you’re doing it right.

[@amberevol]

in my dreams! 🤣🥳

[@Ammo2Ammo]

😂😭😂

[@noobiedoobers2324]

Oh that FOR SURE ended when she married Paul

[@tlheinrich]

😂😂😂

[@ryanhburnette]

@@noobiedoobers2324 it’s probably 2 chaste kisses, missionary, then a hand shake and a “good girl” from Paul. Eww.

[@kristynamatulkova5771]

I swear Paul wants to be like a martyr for marrying Morgan, because he doesn't even seem to like her as a person? It's like a project for him? WTF.

[@MalloryNewcomb]

Probably makes him feel better about himself Dang that is dark

[@Ugly_German_Truths]

I'm not sure about the project... i think he does not like her cause he's as gay as they get... and she's his god-beard.

[@LordofFullmetal]

They hate each other. I have never ever seen those two look at each other like they are actually in love. She literally thew up at the wedding, and spent most of the first year of their marriage in the worst depression of her life - all self-admitted. I'm convinced neither of them knows what actual love is. They think what they have is "love", but it's really not.

[@leahcollins2729]

Can confirm Paul was a substitute teacher. He was a sub at my Christian school. We all thought he was gay and was shocked when we found his channel

[@lanaharper9798]

That must have been WILD

[@KasThinks]

I could certainly see that perception of him!

[@casey5683]

He totally strikes me as someone who is gay, but so internally homophobic that he leans into religion to deny who he really is.

[@bigtombowski]

Wow

[@emmacarlsen2651]

Could still possibly be veryyyy closested, he wouldn't be the first gay man to find himself a beard

[@scorpinope]

insane to think that if this woman had just swiped left she could have ended up with a healthy relationship, an actual support system, helpful mental health resources, and a world view compatible with reality 🙃

[@lesbiangoddess290]

Now that is the real tragedy here

[@Nina-rf8ek]

To be fair, if she was at such a low point to marry Paul she’d marry any of the million other men just like him 🙁

[@Oujouj426]

I doubt it was all Paul. I think she always had that evil in her, Paul just helped it come out.

[@saraleigh5336]

@@Oujouj426didn’t she mention that meeting him was like meeting Jesus? I am not Christian, but whether this was a metaphor or felt genuine to her, this is a dramatic encounter that expresses a deep power differential from the start.

[@leahcowan6720]

Morgan is just as bad as Paul… the met and started dating because they have the same beliefs and p.o.v’s

[@AS-kv8zb]

She says when she "gave up darkness" she wasn't sick anymore... But she vomited during her vows to Paul? Girl...

[@Angel-ts8rc]

Lmaoo😭😭 her body was trying to reject his evilness

[@KB-ht2lg]

And they even admitted her darkest days were AFTER they got married 🙄

[@sickgurl138]

Vomiting in a god honoring way

[@angelamaryquitecontrary4609]

@@sickgurl138 Righteous retching, mayhap?

[@CherryBlossomBlyue]

That was her body, telling her to run, but she didnt listen

[@searoses]

"depression is caused by premarital sex" *laughs in 29 year old extremely depressed and anxious virgin*

[@wilczekudly]

Me, who has been mentally ill from age 2: hmmmm, something dont add up here

[@sillysir2]

28 year old virgin here and same!

[@beckiejani7782]

First depression occurred at age 11, 10 years before I committed sexual sins😅.

[@Billy-bc8pk]

One of the causes....

[@alim.9801]

I can assure them i was depressed LONG before i had sex 😂

[@animallover23344]

I've never seen a man who just so clearly doesn't eat women out in my whole life

[@mickithompson5888]

He may view it as “unclean” or thinks her pleasure is somehow sinful. Morgan admitting that she sits on his face and farts just says he probably is terrible at cunnilingus, and she’ll do anything to keep him off her.

[@itsniquenique45]

Lmaooo perfect description

[@Zero-oq1jk]

Actually he do, check their latest video on that subject. But it is wrong. I guess, flesh-oriented people never get it, right? Do you know why there is a saying about pigs that cannot see heaven?

[@Zero-oq1jk]

@@mickithompson5888 So nothing unclean about anal sex either. Since it's pleasurable, so it's good and tasty. Right?

[@rachelk4805]

I feel like he stares in the mirror when they are having sex.

[@swagmoney9944]

Man I’ve been celibate for two years and I still have a mood disorder

[@coulson4267]

most underrated comment

[@rowanquynn9964]

Bro I'm asexual and I've got a ton of mental problems

[@Em-gt5wr]

I'm sorry but this made me cackle

[@smol-one]

​@@rowanquynn9964 Same.

[@cubecopyright872]

@@rowanquynn9964 oh shit hi me too

[@TippiTappi]

He seems so genuinely surprised every time he asks her opinion on something. It's like they don't actually talk to each other unless it's on camera.

[@SirBubbly33]

he has too much confidence to expect her to have any viewpoint that’s different than his. He thinks more highly about himself than he does about her. a total narcissist

[@gloomyxbabee]

That's such a good observation it's so true!!

[@hagelslag9312]

@@SirBubbly33 I also think it's intentional to make her feel her opinion is always questionable.

[@kristenwerner4416]

What makes me super uncomfortable is that they never really make eye contact 😬

[@aydadae7337]

I know wym, did they not watch the Rings of power together? How did he not know she didn't notice the interracial marriages? I sure af didn't notice until I saw Jen show the fundies clip about it.

[@RandaPandaMakes]

The fact that Morgan threw up during Paul's vows says so much about this relationship....she should've gone with her gut on this one.

[@Loren641]

…Literally. ❤

[@johnoleary4647]

I agree the body has a built in natural intuition to avoid danger ...ie if a Bull chases somebody the body runs with a natural drive to survive ....

[@kbeeeeee7263]

Right?! Talk about God giving you a sign.

[@mariannesartcorner]

"I believe every woman can orgasm during sex, but i dont". That says alot about how Paul is as a sexual partner. Its sad.

[@LightningDoesStrikeThrice]

Even if they fight he still expects sex that same night regardless. The entitlement is unreal lol

[@platannapipidae9621]

i wonder if his d is tiny or he's actually THAT bad

[@gracie1312]

Every woman can orgasm _everytime_ she has Sex* Her old boyfriend must have been a much better lover than Paul 1:12:00

[@AsmrShhay]

That deep depression and anxiety from "living in sin" is just purity culture and shame from what she was taught. Not because of sex. Its so sad to see

[@advisorywarning]

Very sad. I’m ex Mormon and see a lot of myself in those aspects struggling with the shame & anxiety & physical things I would do to myself as a teen. Purity culture is so fucking harmful. I worry for their kids if they’re raised in a similar environment.

[@Vivian-ks7jr]

YES of course she’s nauseated with anxiety because she thinks she’s going to hell.

[@aleksandrawilkos1278]

or suppressed trauma

[@maiapapaya4643]

I've never seen a man hate his wife so much and live under this guise of "godly love". If my husband treated me with an ounce of disdain that Paul has for his wife, well we would have never made it down the aisle.

[@alwaysflushinpublic]

I grew up IBLP/ind Fundie Baptist. Only a handful of men in the church were NOT abusive IMO. My dad weekly tried to beat the sissy out of my older gay brother. Because of this I grew up trying to be 100% perfect so as not to anger him but their religious rules changed constantly. So very grateful I pursued a secular Uni degree on scholarship'; given to me because I had been sent to cult boarding school & later homeschooled by a mother who was classified as learning disabled and Sp Ed. The full scholarship (deep rural Southeast) was set up for anyone escaping a cult via Uni education. W/O that I would most likely still be in the abusive religion and not have the luxury of being able to support myself & pursue 9 full yrs of deprogramming. I was the lucky one. So many other childhood friends have chosen to remain in the toxic type of church.

[@morganboutwell8231]

That’s so many religious couples tho, they aren’t special or unique

[@supme7558]

Thats ever christians hetro experience

[@pie1o1morris46]

@@supme7558 not every Christian is like that

[@heatherhaven1268]

I sure have. Haven’t seen much else, tbh. 😢

[@theknittingrev]

Paul always looks like he is on the verge of snapping, which is terrifying.

[@hashtagmate]

He looks like that because he is 😬

[@07Flash11MRC]

I had that same thought for some years now. He looks the part of a domestic abuser with his stern look always reminding Morgan that even one step out of line could turn her into a battered wife.

[@izzycarter3897]

This!!!!

[@alim.9801]

I'm glad I'm not the only one that got that vibe. It's like something in his eyes, like he'll be smiling but the eyes don't match the expression

[@amandasturgis7768]

Oh yeah, 100% if she tries to leave he looks like he will try to kill her. ☠️

[@emmalinekim9822]

if I were writing a sitcom I don't think I could write anything funnier than the groom saying "I can't take care of you..." and the bride throwing up

[@baby.yogurt]

truly divine timing

[@sexypickle123]

pfft. happened to me in the sims once

[@dominicfucinari1942]

Shouldn't that have taught Morgan Hawley '007 that she couldn't really depend on Paul Olliges '004 for much in times of need? Why didn't she believe it the first time he told her what he was?

[@susannehuber3996]

Your profile pic is amazing ❤

[@fricketyfracktraintrack]

I had the same thought. It's such a comedy of errors type beat, I love it

[@shashabmc1]

I'm so happy to know that my mental illness when I was 10 was caused by sexual sin, even though I was a virgin child.

[@ravenisgone9893]

same

[@valentinecore]

same lol exactly what i was thinking

[@BallotBoxBoogeyMan]

Same😭

[@BallotBoxBoogeyMan]

Literally suicidal at 12…. Thrown out in the streets at 16 by my… surprise… super fundie family…

[@kelviannaepperson3677]

Same that's when my period started. I was so disassociated from my body didn't know how to express my feelings really down dealing with depression when I didn't know what it was.

[@alyssastewart738]

Hey Morgan. You ever think that maybe it wasn’t the sex before marriage that caused you depression and anxiety, but rather your internalized guilt from your faith? No? Oh okay. Just the sin.

[@scarlettredding]

THIS

[@diemdia]

1000%

[@dirtbagdeacon]

I had depression after entering a happy heterosexual monogamous marriage! It's almost like depression is something unrelated to any of the shit she is talking about! 😱

[@ZenWaveCinema]

Yep

[@rachel8331]

I had premarital sex and DIDNT struggle with mental illness or any other sickness… didn’t know God was picky choosy on who gets punished 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@lunapotter2065]

As someone who grew up in purity culture, I felt so horrible the first time I had sex. It’s this internalized guilt and shame ingrained in us from a young age. That’s probably why she had so much depression and anxiety about premarital sex. It’s honestly sad to see her damaging content

[@skrtskrt22]

this!!!!!

[@MalloryNewcomb]

I totally agree. Growing up within a religious community that promotes a negative outlook on sex is big factor in sexual shame for a lot of people. I say that not as someone who is negative on religion, I’m a Christian myself. But experience with sexuality is such a significant and personal part of human experience that to have shame in this area can have a big impact on how you feel about yourself generally. To carry this idea that there is something inherently weird or wrong or dirty about you is so damaging. So much of the language about abstinence when she was a teenager was likely fear based, so poor thing that she went through so much guilt it made her depressed and struggle with her mental health. Because she’s way more than whatever decisions she regrets from her high school years..

[@deloceanophoto]

Absolutely! I experienced that before getting out of the church. Serious self disgust at having normal human needs, because of the internalised shame of having it drummed into me that sex before marriage makes you dirty.

[@skinbeyondbordersrc4981]

Same. I even stoped having my period for months

[@holey_donut9096]

Morgan is so strangely multi-faceted and it baffles me, since I feel like we don't ever see these opinions from fundies. Her not even being bothered by the interracial couples Paul is seething over, her insistence that they not compare modern-day rejection of conservatism/Christianity to the Holocaust, her reminding the audience/Paul that not everyone who is a mom gave birth to their child, etc. It's really fascinating to me.

[@alexandraesfahani301]

Right?? It's like there's a decent person inside of her trying to get out. I bet that's also the part of her that threw up during the wedding.

[@hanatemonstas4485]

Probably pre-convert.

[@tessapal]

@@alexandraesfahani301it’s the demon inside her trying to get out 😂

[@shouldbewritig]

Genuinely I just keep hoping that someday she wakes up and realizes how badly she played herself. I feel the same way about the Dugger children. We don’t know exactly how fundie Morgan’s family is but while I hate the shit she’s pushing, you can see something in there trying to be a better person. It’s not like Girl Defined where I see no hope. EDIT: she just feels to me like someone who found (in this case, rediscovered) Jesus at a really low point in her life and happened to latch onto the most toxic version there is to try to find meaning.

[@davidjones5547]

Morgan comes across to me as being very immature. I pity their child having to live in that toxic environment.

[@KDM268]

I don’t think Morgan realizes that probably a big reason she was so anxious, sick, and depressed while having premarital sex was because she felt guilty about it. Not that sex outside of marriage is inherently wrong, but that she has absorbed the IDEA that it is so deeply that her “disobedience” caused turmoil in her and resulted in debilitating anxiety. People who were not raised with those beliefs about sex are not made miserable by sex.

[@moriqana3679]

True!! If you are constantly thinking about how disgusting you are for what you're doing.. it's going to cause you shame, depression and anxiety.. its unfortunate people cannot learn to have healthy relationships with their bodies.

[@Mollipoprocks]

“I can’t imagine living life on my terms.” - Morgan That’s the saddest thing I’ve heard her say to date. And I feel for her. When I see her videos, I see a woman in pain trying so hard to fit a mold she thinks will bring her internal peace. IMO she has given her sense of self to Paul so that she doesn’t have to think about it.

[@perniciouschattel5211]

A (type of) slave defending slavery. Gross. Having been a part of an evangelical group, and buying the whole rancid enchilada, I feel sympathy for their self destructive delusions.

[@benfoldskicks33]

It’s so sad 😢

[@kell576]

I swear she is an undiagnosed autistic and just masks her way thru life. And it's wayyyy easier to let someone else make decisions when you don't understand yourself or who you are or what you actually like. I truly feel sorry for this young woman. I mean they're both terrible racist, 1 dimensional twats but I think there's actual hope for Morgan if the right people came into her life.

[@bariatric-parasite]

yeah it's incredibly disheartening to see herself feel responsible for pauls actions, something fundie women are taught to do

[@ed8329]

I think you hit the nail on the head. She is so, so lost.

[@BaileySarian]

I bet she watched Magic Mike

[@jazminedrebenstedt6432]

My guess was something like Twilight lololol

[@riley2243]

honestly it could've been something like harry potter bc of the witchcraft or whatever and paul could've been offended by that lol

[@MegJuniper]

OMG HEY BAILEY

[@abigaelrarts2257]

@@MegJuniperi didn't know it was her at first! she so funny 😁

[@sophiasframeli]

BAILEY

[@i_aint_ai]

Made me sad when Morgan said she was freed from depression and said in the same breath super quickly “but sometimes the devil tries to sneak in”. Which to me means she still struggles with it

[@ehhhhhhhhhhhhhholly]

That was a cry for help... Insane. I feel as though she has to hide her mental health because he'll take it personally if she struggles.

[@Teajay21]

Yep she can't admit to it though because she's claimed God took it away from her. I don't like her but I do worry about her especially post partum if she feels she can't reach out for help because it will mean that her mh struggles have resurfaced

[@Myaccount923]

Ummm yes because that’s how it works lol. If you have childhood trauma or any trauma you’re going to deal with anxiety and depression for the rest of your life. But God and Jesus are by your side everyday and bring you peace when you ask for it. Not defending any of these people just wanted to mention that.

[@angelsnaiilz]

@@Myaccount923 that’s what the commenter is saying; morgan basically claimed god got rid of her depression when .. we all know that’s not how it works. i’m a believer too and ofc i believe faith can help but it’s not a replacement for therapy nor a permanent cure!

[@ElixirSpice]

She sounds like one of those Christians who tries desperately to convince others that they're "ex gay". I'm not buying it. She doesn't want to be judged for it because she already knows her community will say she isn't devoted enough and that's why she's depressed.

[@soph541]

Paul is constantly talking about all these problems he had with Morgan before they married that made him question whether or not she was the right one for him, but if it was such a big deal, WHY did he marry her anyway? Why go against your convictions, why marry someone who isn't a virgin if it means so much to you?? It's very clear he chose her because he knew he could control her.

[@ilanarhian]

Yes clearly he likes being able to hold that over her

[@c.m.cordero1772]

He’ll probably never get over that or let her forget it.

[@KatsMeow90]

literally his entire way of life is just constantly holding every "mistake" over his wife's head so that he can feel some sense of moral superiority. it's gross.

[@mylene_b]

He thinks he's better than her, but in reality he was a p*rn addict...

[@austins9795]

The kicker is when she does that, you can tell he’s using every bit of willpower he has to not fly off the handle for her daring to call out his behavior.

[@iamadogwhoisblu]

Paul is an absolutely terrifying man. There’s something that’s so unsettling about him that I can’t place. defo the type of guy I would cross the road to avoid lol

[@phantomlovebs]

He seems like he might snap at any moment tbh

[@louise3953]

@@phantomlovebs exactly, I feel like I’d be constantly walking on eggshells around him like he’s a ticking time bomb

[@ksis86]

To me he seems like the type who would kill his wife and then all his family and friends would defend him no matter what. Scary.

[@mxflint1715]

He reminds me of my dad in a bad way, like he's a walking bomb that might go off at any minute because you told him that he put the wrong laundry detergent in the washing machine

[@lunieahexx6043]

Ya he reminds me of my dad and not in the good way. My dad if you didn't do something HIS way he would get angry, for example I somehow swept the floor wrong and he got mad at me and got the belt and you can guess what happened.

[@danielle22106]

My jaw dropped when Paul said “I identify as Black now. I played a lot of basketball when I was younger” … and then to hear him talking about “slave-owner’s rights” he fucking sucks

[@LightningDoesStrikeThrice]

If slave owners get rights then so do gay people right Paul!?? See how flawed his logic is here? That's what I like to call flogic lol

[@foxxtrot]

I had to rewind for the "slave-owners rights" part because I genuinely could't believe that I'd heard it right the first time.

[@Ugly_German_Truths]

Another example how "Christian Love" drives people to embrace all forms of hate. Just think about his "GOP voters are the new holocaust" example... the Jews were just people, living in Germany, they did NOT do anything as a group, malicious or not, they not even were all religious or anything, a lot like in today's America. The conservatives otoh go aorund making horrible laws harming millions of people, from the immigration disaster they willingly created, to the sabottage of Healthcare/Health Insurance coverage to penalize "the Poor"... Yes and the Roe v Wade Elephant in the room too, "don't say gay", Transharassment and so many more things driving people into misery. HOW is that the same as Nazi persecution of Jews??? W-T-F...

[@emmamlis927]

Paul is like “I felt like such an asshole and such a douchebag and such a horrible husband” and then doesn’t change at all lmaooo

[@AaronHatcher]

He might as well have added "and I liked that feeling." Lol

[@-carl-6969]

It's because GOD will change him, silly!!

[@lindsey8669]

Paul is the human embodiment of a notes app apology

[@danysanerd2383]

@@-carl-6969 idk about him being changed. It's all about being forgiven 😌 like the lds and their second anointing bs. Telling people the only sin that would not be forgiven after the second anointing is; murder. That's it! Just the one thing would keep them from heaven... some people think, that if God can forgive me- what do I care.

[@mariaquiet6211]

I guessssssss she finds him funny.

[@savannahs8914]

I keep having to re-remind myself that Morgan is not 16 years old. It's not even that she looks that young physically, but everything about her reads like she's 16 and it's disquieting. Like, the slurred speech and baby voice, too.

[@GBfanatic15]

that's probably how paul trained her to be

[@carlahemeon4453]

Yes! Her voice and demeanor had me thinking she was a young twentysomething! Then her singing voice---what?!

[@takke9830]

She‘s totally regressed. Ofc she is. She‘s stuck in a loveless marriage all for a imaginary being that couldn‘t care about her even a little bit. Just like her husband. And her also being groomed into basically being a defenseless child is part of it.

[@savannahs8914]

@@cindystewart7981 well, there's a lot of teenagers who sound a bit like that, even when sober, hence why to me she sounds 16, not impaired. I dont speculate on that

[@TheJanaRina]

Sometimes when people experience massive trauma they can kinda get stuck at that age mentally...

[@pxssbxby11]

its hilariously ironic how at 17:26 she says "person" and "they" when referring to the therapist a few times but was screaming about how they/them pronouns couldn't possibly exist LMAO

[@edvh88]

My challenge is discerning when “they” is singular and when it’s plural. Not in the above example, but other times when one is discussing a group that includes NB folks, it can be quite confusing for me to keep up with which “they” is being referred to, one individual or a group?

[@tracyveronika]

I clocked that too!!!

[@jasperanda2769]

@@edvh88 Then ask who they are specifically referring to if you are confused.

[@beastofburdon]

@@edvh88 that’s why people have names.

[@noellelavenza494]

@@edvh88 The same issue exists with "you," since formal English has no distinction between second person singular and plural.

[@Kagimine]

Okay but her sitting on his face just to rip ass is absolutely hysterical

[@shrimp.trap3]

Hate to say it but she did go off with that one

[@bitchesgonbebitchesluvthemhoes]

thats the kinkiest thing they’ll ever do

[@thenopedetective]

Wait, WHAT? I'm not at that part yet, that sounds horrible but deserved on his end.

[@Onyx421]

Good for her

[@ThatSailorMouth]

it's the fact that Paul literally just stood there while she literally puked and ran of stage that speaks volumes

[@bunnylacy2097]

And he was just standing there thinking about how HE would be perceived because of him being interrupted in the middle of his vows instead of thinking about her and omg is she okay? Is she sick ? Food poisoning? Is she really anxious or way over dehydrated to the point of being sick? Nope.. just I didn’t get to finish my sentence and it sounded bad

[@FabricofTime]

Yeah, my partner 100% would have gone after me and helped me. I can't imagine him just standing there like a useless lump.

[@moustik31]

He keeps proving, that he doesnt see her as a human being but as a provider of s3x, children, emotional labour and probably housekeeping.

[@dliap98]

it's so sad. I feel so heartbroken when I see that clip. I remember being in an abusive relationship and it being so bad that I would be wretching from the stress. having such a physical reaction to something like that is not to be taken lightly

[@laurenconrad1799]

I think puking before your wedding to the wrong guy was a plot line on Sex and the City. Except it didn’t involve domestic abuse…

[@gracebarber4496]

“My depression is gone.” “Satan still comes back and tries to mess with me mentally.” Gotcha. This isn’t unhealthy at all.

[@makeupandtheology1821]

Agree 💯

[@laurenbarber8579]

I had depression until I left the church and purged out its belief system

[@skrtskrt22]

​@@laurenbarber8579 I recently gotten PHYSICALLY out of church and I have been thriving. all the lingering feelings of guilt and shame are almost completely gone. I know I'll still have bad times because that's life, but I feel so much better since getting out.

[@LARRYCAL]

@@skrtskrt22yeah you can sin and sin until you don’t feel guilty anymore because you ruined your conscience

[@skrtskrt22]

@@LARRYCAL OR I don't let a 2k+ year old book tell me what to do anymore because it's just a book.

[@roseyfields2729]

It’s actually wild how Morgan expects us to take her personal experience as fact, meanwhile she ignores thousands of people explaining their personal experience with racism, and other forms of oppression.

[@jaybee4118]

It’s so, so common unfortunately. I think we can all be guilty of it at times if we’re honest. But yeah, her, Paul and many other conservatives seem to make an Olympic sport of of ignoring other’s experience in life.

[@yooperskeptic]

and transgender

[@jaybee4118]

@@yooperskeptic doesn’t that come other “other forms”?

[@mariaquiet6211]

It was at the point where Paul was explaining oral sex that all I could think is who the fuck are these boring asinine kids? Who told them their views deserve a bullhorn across social media? Their experiences are so limited and mundane yet they seem to think they know what's right for EVERYONE. HOW are they famous?

[@kritkratt6383]

Morgan looked so shook and uncomfortable with Paul’s unhinged slave owner speech

[@ThatRedhedd]

Actually, I'm not sure why there wasn't more context provided for that clip, but it changes things a lot. I can tell that he was comparing women's rights (a woman's right to choose) to slavery: _Paul was actually saying,_ that when FEMINISTS argue, "A woman shouldn't have to sacrifice her education, her career, her goals, in order to raise a child. We need to consider how it will inconvenience the mother if we force her to carry her baby to term (while ignoring the fetus' rights)" is like advocating for slave owners who want to keep their slaves. That's his comparison...that's his pro-life argument.

[@modestieispurete]

The irony of Morgan complaining about the way her atheist friends were trying to "tell her how to live her life"

[@mariaquiet6211]

I have my doubts about her narrative, idk

[@thatblvckhippie1911]

@@mariaquiet6211 i do too. She doesn't seem to be very truthful

[@beultra3083]

That's bullshit, Morgan doesn't have atheist friends.

[@mariaquiet6211]

fun fact, atheists don't insist you'll suffer eternal torment for not being atheist. I can't even conceive of coercion so severe, short of physical violence.

[@graysonspaw]

I've never told my relgious friends how to live their lives. Unless it harms other people, I don't care. I live my truth. They live theirs and were all happy!

[@Alexis-pl5cn]

I've never heard someone explaining how completely out of depression they are and still sound utterly depressed.

[@okoala62]

For real; she saddens the eff outta me. She just appears sad and….unwell? I say this as someone who’s felt as she appears and I was NOT well, no matter how much word salad I tried to speak it into existence 🫠

[@penne4107]

⁠@@okoala62 she also just always seems so out of it. Like she’s there but her mind is somewhere else unless she’s spoken to or is asked to speak.

[@litneyloxan]

I see the tiniest glimmers of light in Morgan every so often and it’s like Paul’s energy snuffs it out immediately

[@Marinlss]

yes, these days she posted about how motherhood didn't happen how she wanted and how grateful she was to have a choice and be able to choose what was best for her family. Sometimes she's almost there

[@smokyquartz5817]

You're so right.

[@brittneylyntalks]

Yes!!!

[@halfassfashion]

Like how many times is he going to hold if over her that she has sex with someone other than him?

[@anothercub6958]

That's probably the best way to showcase how your relationships in the faith can stop you from leaving

[@JuliaRich-r1y]

“I’m not racist, but two interracial couples is one too many…” 😀 wtf…

[@agsweet708]

😅

[@uschilou]

"I don't care AT ALL but come on, it's a little much!" Right, you don't care at all. He's such a horrid little man.

[@cwonderland6259]

While Morgan herself is also problematic, the real problem in this relationship is Paul. It is so obvious to me that Morgan has trauma from emotional abuse, probably in her past, and also currently with Paul. The way she looks at him while he is talking - like she is dissociating to not interrupt, to agree with him, and when she disagrees she laughs nervously, makes indirect non-committal comments rather than directly disagreeing, she talks in the baby / little girl voice because it is non-threatening to Paul, her mannerisms are so familiar to me, knowing women in similar controlling religious relationships. She is deeply uncomfortable and unhappy around him, and desperately trying to believe she is actually fulfilled and happy instead.

[@Suki-Tawdry]

💯💯💯

[@uncertain_zee]

Feel the same, when they talk about sex and consent it's also very clear that it's not a healthy relationship, i believe it was in a Rachel Oates video i saw their clip of that. And Morgan full on seems like she regresses and in general you can see how uncomfortable or in disagreement she is with him on certain things, and over time it seems like she's being more like "whatever I'm gonna be honest" and cares a little bit less about disagreeing with him but it's just.. so strange to watch them interact.

[@alisonhutchinson9518]

THIS THIS THIS THIS. She repeats this pattern over and over: starts to assert herself...realizes Paul will disapprove...stammers...looks at him...giggles...switch to baby voice. It's like watching Michelle Duggar: The Early Years of Training.

[@maruguida8056]

This is EXACTLY what I was thinking. While she is clearly not a very good person and holds very problematic views, I feel so bad for her. The way she acts and talks, her mannerisms when she is close to Paul remind me so UNCOMFORTABLY much to me in my ex abusive relationship. The way she always agrees with him doesn't seem very genuine, and when she says something that doesn't completely align with Paul's views, she seems like she is holding back from being honest and trying to say "but what you are saying is also right Paul!!! Idk maybe I'm wrong", she backpedals so fast. The way they talk abour sex and consent is SCARY, how she literally said she still does it even if she doesn't feel like it because it's her duty, and the way he tries to make her feel guilty for saying no if she doesn't want. I'm not necessarily saying Paul is abusive..... but that relationship is for sure not healthy and there is a clear power imbalance. I really really hope she can leave him (tho i doubt that'll happen)

[@firebird189]

So I am a 65 year old Catholic granny and I love your work James and Jen. (Sorry if it should be Jenn.) You offer intelligent, informed, and enlightening content. While you are an atheist, you are respectful about true spiritual experience. My only complaint is that I work from home and am having a hard time no watching your work while I should be working. 😉

[@lunaledlow6945]

Love this comment!

[@Mikey-xe3vl]

awe this is so sweet lol

[@charissabihl1731]

52 year old Catholic about to be a granny in a few months and … same.

[@Onyx421]

EVERYONE ELSE ON EARTH TAKE NOTES

[@alwaysflushinpublic]

So true! It took me 9 yrs to fully deprogram from being raised IBLP/Ind. Fundie. Baptist. Only 2 others from my youth escaped beside me; by all accounts I should be an atheist yet I still believe albeit in a liberal, affirming, democratic belief system. I, too, appreciate how Jenn/James handles these topics without offending those of us who have pursued some sort of non-abusive faith. Good for you for pursuing your own faith while still educating yourself on the problematic issues of faith.

[@lauryn_talks]

interracial couples is "wokeness" being forced on to us???? i wish y'all could see my face during this entire video, paul and morgan are a case study. i am in shock

[@rebeccanater]

*black and white ppl exist together* paul: first of all, how dare they

[@casey5683]

RIGHT? What year are we living in?! My grandma dated my grandpa, who was a brown man, in the 60s and they were judged by their community, and their priest especially. I’d like to think we’ve come a long way since then but clearly that’s not true when it comes to religious people.

[@lauryn_talks]

@@rebeccanater 🤣 what kind of world did he grow up in for interracial couples to be this new and this "woke"

[@lauryn_talks]

@@casey5683 it's WILD

[@rebeccanater]

@@lauryn_talks to be fair, he still hasnt gotten over the big bang, so give him a billion years to catch up

[@faunly]

Morgan seems so much happier in the music stuff. More alert and interested in her life, lacked that dazed staring.

[@Rei-1200]

I usually don’t speak on others’ experiences with their mental illness, but I genuinely believe that Morgan’s symptoms being worse while “living in sexual sin” was caused by the extreme pressure the church puts on you to be pure. OF COURSE YOU HAVE ANXIETY you’re being taught an almighty being is ALWAYS WATCHING. So when she stopped “living in sin” she felt healed bc the pressure of going to hell forever was off

[@yumgumgrl76]

I’ll never forget the time our lady pastor told the teenage girls that since god is our father, we should picture our actual dad being in the room any time us and our boyfriend (yup, they didn’t say “or girlfriend”) were in a room alone together. Took a while for that to get out of my head tbh

[@beyondallmeasure]

Yep. From a survivor of fundamentalism, yes.

[@CherryBlossomBlyue]

Yes! It's sad that she doesnt make the link between her anxiety and purity culture.

[@emmaatkinson7379]

Exactly. She described having sex and being Christian as feeling like she was being ripped apart and tortured. And blames it on the sex itself. Like, honey, no. It was because you were having this unecessary and painful conflict because of purity culture. It wasn't "living in sin" that was causing you pain, it was the terror and shame and guilt others were placing on an entirely normal act. So many Christians have sex outside of marriage and don't feel this horrible existential fear and shame, and they don't get anxiety or depression over it either. It's the doctrine, not the act. Also I just find it interesting how so many fundies refuse to accept health conditions (like mental illness) as facts of life that just happen, it always has to come down to personal behaviour and how you "brought this upon yourself". Like someone wouldn't have had a heart attack, or a mental illness, if they'd just acted the right way. It's abhorrent but speaks to a yearning for control and meaning.

[@lindseyhendrix2405]

BINGO!!

[@TheRealTrueCrimeAnalyst]

Wait a minute! If depression is caused by engagement in unhealthy s*xual relationships, then why was Morgan at the lowest point in her life early on in her marriage to Paul?? 🤔

[@LordOfElysium]

Because she wasn’t a virgin (From what she believes, not me.)

[@steflondon88]

I don't agree with her - but it can definitely get worse, because satan can easily attack you when you're not living close to God.

[@lisajohnson4744]

You don’t think Paul was unhealthy?

[@Airkanrickee]

He never misses a chance to diss her or put her below him in her faith expression.

[@jenniferbelveal4331]

The way he dismisses her lack of orgasm- 'we are one flesh'- only he and his needs count, clearly.

[@joanevans7034]

The definition of a church

[@Airkanrickee]

@@joanevans7034 it has been my experience more often in my life than otherwise. I’m in a church now and I’m extremely guarded. I’m trying to have my relationship with God and Jesus but without other believers. It’s just what I have to do to stay emotionally safe. Most of them are very lovely people, good people- but there’s always a handful that can jack it up for everyone.

[@caitlindayman2469]

He clearly doesn’t respect her. There is a such a power imbalance in this relationship. I couldn’t imagine being married to someone like that.

[@morganashley321]

I'm just tossing this into the void because I felt like rewatching this video and now I'm reflecting on why. I was raised in purity culture, and about 2 months ago I had my first experience with another person, at 24, we went from nothing to completely and I genuinely hated myself afterwards. I practically sobbed the entire way back to my house. I started my deconstruction process years ago, I've been sex-positive for friends and loved ones and working on embracing my own sexuality, but I didn't realize how much of a loss it would feel like for this simple thing to be gone, and how broken I would feel. My friends are from a post-religion part of my life and dont understand, my therapist is secular, and I've felt so alone in mourning the loss of something I didn't think would feel so... heavy. Paul and Morgan would say its because I recognized how wrong my actions were. I don't know why I'm throwing this out there, but genuinely, watching this has given me perspective and reminded me of how I would approach sexuality for a friend, for a younger me, for someone else trying to let go of purity culture. Its healing, a little bit. If you've read this, thanks lol

[@taxfrauddotcom]

💖💖💖 as someone who grew up in purity culture I'm sending you all of the love and solidarity. I'm here if you need to talk. It might also help to find a therapist who specializes in religious trauma syndrome (rts is often a form of PTSD!!!! And it sounds like maybe you had some kind of trauma response maybe rooted in cptsd) 💖💖

[@luminescent_tides]

It’s sadly a very real, very unfortunate and extremely unnecessary trauma that too many people have to experience for no good reason whatsoever. Purity culture is such a distorted concept that only causes undue pain and destruction. Illogical virtuous beliefs are counterproductive, put needless pressure on innocent individuals causing anxiety, fear, guilt and shame for absolutely no reason. Virginity is placed on an imaginary pedestal which can potentially lead to false feelings of sadness and loss, unworthiness and feeling flawed or broken. Sex is natural and good regardless of marriage as long as it’s safe and everyone’s comfortable and consenting. I wish everyone was taught this and could believe this truth rather than believing something that only results in the possibility of suffering short term and long term trauma and pain.

[@LO-zo7yp]

i’m 25 and i still haven’t had a sexual experience bc i’m so scared of it, and i’m very open about it, i like to talk about what i’d like to do and when someone has a close minded approach, i tell them sex is the most natural thing in the world, howeveeeer, i still feel internalized guilt and i know having sex for the first time will trigger so many things for me. im quite positive purity culture ruined my life

[@n.r.m.15]

Do you think it was attributed to the situation and the other person's actions? When I first had sex, my partner was much much more experienced. There were many years of us in love where sex was mutually amazing. The love and connection felt so real. But slowly over the years, after we had kids and had been together over a decade...there were times we would have sex and it felt so manipulative, abusive, forced and like something I had to do as "my job" and if I didn't it was a fight.....I started to see the abusive nature of our relationship. When you don't feel safe, cherished, and loved, sex can feel like someone took something from you. You're giving your body to someone else. And in the beginning, until you're comfortable with your sexuality, it might feel overwhelming and uncomfortable. Once your body and mind mature more, you may get to a place where you have sex when you want to and it doesn't always have to have such strong mental and emotional side effects. You'll just have sex cus you feel like it at the moment. But don't feel weird that being new to sex, it might feel like you are giving something valuable of yourself to someone who didnt value it as much as you expected them to. I think that's normal, especially when you're raised modestly or with purity culture. Just remember as you grow, YOU are in control of what you want to do sexually. Own the power in that. Sorry for the ramble but I felt very much where you were coming from.

[@eszterszasz5]

this is exactly what happened to me, even the age is matching. I was very sex-positive, I felt that even though it would be nice to wait until at least engagement, I'm ready and wanted to have this experience - and I had a mental breakdown after my first time. you're not alone, there are plenty of us out there who know exactly what are you going through right now. ❤

[@nicole_sinisweet]

I threw up at my wedding too. Because my soul knew I was making the biggest mistake. 12 years later I was finally able to leave that narcissist who abused me. They are the absolute worst & I feel like throwing up just watching them spread the lies they do.

[@idamay4590]

Im so glad you made it out! As women we are taught to deny our gut instinct, it’s despicable. You deserve your freedom and all the good things coming your way❤

[@lilafeldman8630]

So sad, I know. Perhaps someday, 12 years from now, she will wake up, too.

[@kimdoogleouo4521]

I’m glad you’re free now 💛

[@minisnape]

So glad you made it out! 💜 I also ignored my gut on my wedding day. I had a panic attack and was hiding for half of the reception. I got a divorce 7 years later and my life is so much better. So happy you are free of that marriage now.

[@sia9907]

I'm so sorry you went through that. Glad I'm not the only one who sees what a narcissist he is though. Morgan will leave one day, like you did and like countless other women bravely do. I'm so certain. Her mental health will eventually get really bad and a psychologist will help her see their terrible marriage.

[@mistyd2438]

If Paul and Morgan are love doctors, I'm filing a malpractice suit.

[@bradmyers5354]

I’ll have my people call your people, and we can make it a class action suit.

[@Han-yb7qo]

It’s really unhealthy how Paul tries to punish Morgan constantly for her past. He clearly holds resentment toward her as a person, he’s always trying to change every part of her and it’s never enough

[@Zero-oq1jk]

maybe try to watch their videos without secondary commentary next time

[@567dirt8910]

Massive resentment. You know it kills him. Jackasses- the both of them. Of course, a child in the mix assuring the dysfunction generationally.

[@supertoezen]

@@Zero-oq1jk Nah

[@dianehutchinson9257]

But also, he loves it, because it's something he can lord over her forever. He gets to be the "bigger" person, the one who "forgave her." It's so messed up 😞

[@Juniperxo]

@@dianehutchinson9257 I've always hated hearing that whenever he says "I forgave her" like for what bro you created the rules that made her feel like she even was wrong in the first place.

[@jackukay]

And she literally said she "can't call someone by THEIR preferred pronouns". She literally JUST used they/them pronouns without a second thought. But when someone asks for it, it's an issue?

[@keaton_]

The amount of times Morgan laughingly asserts that Paul is _awful_ in bed just adds even more whipped shit on top of this triple scoop of yikes that is their marriage.

[@pjrodriguez386]

Like her confessing her husband virtually never makes her cum and then Paul immediately saying they’re one…. Nightmare fuel for sure

[@Zero-oq1jk]

where she said that?

[@johannacarr3246]

@@Zero-oq1jk she doesn’t finish 😮 and he was talking about “we” don’t finish she’s like no that’s just me buddy

[@Zero-oq1jk]

​@@johannacarr3246 thanks, but can you point me to video where they talking about it? i want to see more of first world problems

[@bubullibooooo9928]

​​@@Zero-oq1jk It's the what I wish I knew about marriage video. Or is it the sex advice video. One of the two.

[@meh5069]

“Call me black, I played a lot of basketball” 💀 oh boy. The slave owner argument… does Paul have a white hood in his closet? He even makes Morgan cringe.

[@alexwyatt2911]

Oh, he doesn’t even bother with the hood-it would mess up his hair. He just wears the robes and carries around a cross. Then he puts that cross in the yard of an interracial couple, lights it on fire, and yells, “I don’t mean it in a racist way!”

[@bambida1st]

@@alexwyatt2911 I literally guffawed

[@moustik31]

He does, you know he does. His meltdown at ir couples on tv was a dead giveaway. I bet, he thinks being a modern knight and riding in the night is romantic. /k.

[@curlyhairblacklilacs]

When he started going off on slave owners “human rights” I screamed at my ceiling 😱 Me looking left, right, up, and down for the fucks I give for ENSLAVERS

[@giannaleng1897]

@@curlyhairblacklilacs his argument was literally like but what about the money ? Don’t these enslavers have the right to make money ? Forget about treating people like literal animals and focus on the money !

[@CocoLicious]

I always love that being a "sassy conservative" is fine but just the existence of people with different skin colors in a show with elves and dwarfes is pure audacity

[@user-mv5zt8qd9l]

"I'm not racist but I'm so sick of seeing interracial couples forced down my throat" as if someone put a gun to his head and made his bigoted arse watch them.

[@Viteaification]

that just tells me most of the people they interact with are white. only way i can imagine paul's slavery rant happening in the 2020s

[@LightningDoesStrikeThrice]

It's like when Yucker Carlson had a melty over the green female M&M not being 'sexy' enough for his strange, weird male gaze lol

[@anagracefields9868]

I definitely think her take on premarital sin is what leads to mental illness is either a. Paul suggesting to her that her issues came because she “misbehaved” and he doesn’t struggle because he stayed a virgin of b. She was so indoctrinated with the idea of having sex as sinful that when she did the immense guilt associated with it led to her mental decline

[@OzmaOfOzz]

On point

[@NancyGomez-iy5om]

Its the second one. That is how it works in Christianity, the shame and guilt and encouragement and validation that you ARE guilty and gross and dirty for your sins (aka human experience) causes severe mental health issues that are chalked up to God telling you you’re fucking up. Of COURSE that is going to mess you up as a believer

[@belindarocky961]

"Her standards were disappointingly low" lmaooo well she married YOU, Paul so what does that say?

[@katerrinah5442]

*are Paul can't English 😜

[@marlyd]

I think this is one the the reasons he married her out of other people. She has made grave 'mistakes' before she knew him, things she can't take away: the tattoo, the singing, the sex before marriage. She will never be able to make up for that and he didn't do any of those flawed things, so he'll have the highground forever and won't have to try as much because he's always won ahead of time. He chose a 'broken' woman who was going to try to get to his made up standards no matter what.

[@phoenixlyons5678]

Paul: there are SEVERAL interracial couples and I'm fine with that! *immediately proceeds to tell us he was NOT fine with it*

[@millsykooksy4863]

Psycho

[@MeganManXxX]

He can’t imagine that there might be a world where interracial marriages are like the norm…..no problem imagining a world where hobbits are the norm, though.

[@debbysbest]

I literally didn't even notice 😅 and he continues to point it out... 😬

[@bigtombowski]

I am married to someone of a different race but the colour of our skin never really presents any issues lol. Just normal stuff like everyone else!

[@akiko7298]

Gee Paul that doesn't sound very Christian and Christ-like. Lolz

[@kulaniwarner7262]

That is SO sad that Morgan was so physically sick from the oppression of religion.

[@EmmaAndEmmaAndEmma]

And sad/ironic that she attributes her mental and physical illnesses to “living in sin,” rather than to the severe shame and guilt that religion inflicted on her for totally normal behavior. :/

[@Mary-fo4en]

That was my first thought… I’ve definitely experienced that

[@doloresparra4604]

Don’t let her fool you, she loves the oppressive attention. Best to not give a s*** about these two sinners

[@reneepaulus1263]

Right? So much so that she still was puking on her wedding day.

[@dominicfucinari1942]

I don't think it's a coincidence all that happened in Kentucky. That state has one of the US' worst theopolitical climates.

[@gracebrowning3404]

morgan often sounds like she’s been sedated or drugged. the fundie haze is in her eyes too

[@rebeccazeman9309]

100% agree. Honestly I'd need to be sedated to be with that asshole too. I kinda don't think she has the same views at Paul. I think she is in an abusive relationship.

[@caitshannon8260]

I think she just is not smart.

[@cutiepeel]

i love how the bad slavery joke Paul made about "slave owner's rights" is actually literally what happened in history during the abolishment period. Enslavers were given bailouts from the government, while no reparations whatsoever were given to enslaved people.

[@TheAnovagrrl]

I thought exactly the same thing during Paul's slave owner's rant. I'm glad you pointed this out.

[@VegemiteQueen1]

I felt like Morgan's face told me she knew this and was dying inside, but I could be wrong.

[@melanieg.9092]

As someone not as knowledable on this, thank you for your comment

[@lydiathornton1999]

Seriously, the whole time I was just sitting there like "Yes, Paul, wouldn't it be absolutely WILD if this actually happened, like SO WEIRD AND IMPOSSIBLE, RIGHT? *facepalm*"

[@lydiathornton1999]

@@VegemiteQueen1 yes, but I also feel like that's what her face looks like 90% of the time he talks about anything. Like, that she knows on some level that this guy is a complete cringe dumbass and the only way she can even cope with being in his presence while he spouts off his weird, offensive inanities (let alone remain married to him) is to just have her soul leave her body. I mean, I don't want to let her off the hook, she's also awful. But she also seems maybe a little smarter? Or used to be when she was still allowed to have a brain.

[@theonejokeking3191]

I’m so taken aback that her intuition is so alarmed by him that she started vomiting during his vows and she has been living with that intense feeling and ignoring it for so long. Her intuition KNEW that he could very likely unalive her one day.

[@Nosfermarki]

He's dangerous and they both think that's "love". Watching them is like watching people who were raised in a basement and truly believe there's no world beyond it. It's terrifying.

[@stars19735]

it’s really tragic honestly… the fact that he told on himself by saying “morgan, i’m NOT going to take care of you, etc etc” and it started happening.

[@jordangabi]

I think Morgan vomiting during the wedding was her subconscious telling her something was wrong and not to do it.

[@cassbenelliegardens]

I completely agree!

[@idkgiana3202]

But she went through with it :( sad

[@lilafeldman8630]

Agree

[@empyrea_2546]

In my last relationship, I broke down when I realised I was attracted to this guy who I was afraid that if he found out would view me as a 'lesser' being. I could not sleep that night. Anyways, the feels were mutual so I had nothing to worry about. Well, he turned out to be a major piece of shiet. Next time I break down at the thought of being with or being attracted to someone, I will not ignore it.

[@alwaysflushinpublic]

Raised IBLP/Indie Fundie Baptist I recognize the physical sickness that comes with the transformation from victim to victimizer. Her wedding was the no turning back event that locked her into "being stuck" permanently in this highly abusive religion.

[@alisonelewa6231]

Paul gives me the vibes that he’ll hit her one day if he isn’t already. His eyes are so scary

[@Lady_Katie]

And think it’s because “he loves her”.

[@localgirl33]

I do hope he never does but I can understand the urge.

[@MJtubers]

You “can understand the urge” to beat her? Wtf?

[@isabelledunaway5576]

Paul was a substitute teacher, I can confirm. I went to school in the Lexington area and I remember him subbing at my school a few times. He was known as the “hot sub” and always LOVED all the attention he got from middle school girls…

[@SpiritBox01]

This makes a lot of sense. Especially with how he treats Morgan regarding her premarital sex life 🤔

[@alexbee3736]

[@baby.yogurt]

stop oh no

[@Ouchiness]

NOOOO PEDO …

[@perpetually_empty_bucket]

*le shriek* but on a serious note, does every school have that male teacher that thrives just a little *too* much on teen attention

[@Craftyfox_]

Every time I see Morgan be normal or creative or open up about her struggles I’m like “I can fix her” and then she starts talking more and I’m like… why girl….

[@mw7845]

Yeah it’s no fixing her, maybe she’ll come around eventually but I don’t see it happening anytime soon

[@cheesecake134]

She spews just as much vile shit as he does. And she is often the one really ranting and raving(calling it “being sassy” or “righteous anger”) and just being really mean. She has vehemently defended her husband against abuse allegations and has also repeatedly mocked the concern people have for her. She fucking sucks. We need to view these women for the asshole bigots they are not the possible potential we see in them to “be better if we just got them out 🥺”. Morgan is a racist, misogynistic, homophobic Bible thumping dick spreading hate just like Paul.

[@birdie9548]

No cause I feel this… When I watch her I’m reminded a lot of what I was like before I deconstructed.

[@ehhhhhhhhhhhhhholly]

I honestly feel like she's afraid and that why she says the stupid shit she does, just to fit in with him. She was lost when she met him, and she's still lost now - that man is the reason for her mental health.

[@ladyzoe5734]

13:05 the way she can’t even understand that it was religious guilt and shame making her physically ill. It’s so sad to see her fall so short on freeing herself from that anxiety

[@Zero-oq1jk]

but depression and anxiety is most spread in unbelievers, right?

[@samanthaharrell7342]

That’s the part that hurts to watch. She had no idea that she was being abused and shamed. I’m always torn between feeling sad for her and angry at her insane beliefs.

[@mariaquiet6211]

@@Zero-oq1jk It seems to me "unbelievers" talk about it more

[@AD-dg3zz]

@@Zero-oq1jk unbelievers tend to talk more openly about mental illness and identify things as being mental illness rather than calling it "doubt" or "shaken faith" or worst of all, "demon possession."

[@Zero-oq1jk]

@@samanthaharrell7342 can you please show me example from their video (link+timestamp) where I can observe this?

[@aishayassain8513]

It's so strange that Paul finds seeing three interracial couples on a TV show as 'woke'- my parents are in an interracial relationship, I am in an interracial relationship, my sister is in an interracial relationship. To be honest I don't even really think about it like that, because it's normal. They must not know that many people if seeing three interracial couples is ridiculous to them

[@YesterdayJam]

Yes this is so weird. And what does he even mean by “they’re pushing interracial couples on us?” Actors of different ethnicities auditioned and got various roles in a show… that’s not woke??

[@Ugly_German_Truths]

biologically there is ONE human race. There are cultural and genetic (mostly phenotypic = superficials looks only) differences between smaller subgroups, but nothing justifying any form of racism. And as we in the end all descend from proto humans that once lived in africa, even in the worst racist view we ALL would be "!interracial".

[@alexlaurellanz9912]

Between how much Paul hates her and how much she hates herself, Morgan is probably the most hated person on this channel.

[@jjbobby1969]

holy shit you are brutalll

[@michellekenoyer8245]

TBCH, Morgan seems to hate Paul just as much as he hates her, so there ya go.

[@pookieandfluffernutter]

Best comment

[@alwaystired1]

there's probably more love and empathy in Guantanamo Bay than in Paul & Morgans relationship

[@LML1248]

the part where paul keeps complaining about the interracial couples in LOTR but following it up with “i mean i dont care” feels just like the seinfeld episode where george and jerry keep denying they’re gay and following it up with “not that theres anything wrong with it”.

[@necroflowers2244]

Paul's emotional reaction to seeing 3 interracial couples was just hilariously ridiculous. Like oh no, 3 is too much! I know like 5 interracial couples. Both my brother and sister are in interracial relationships. The way Paul got so loud,and animated with his opinion. He really must live in all white community, because if he lived in a more liberal city, it would be rather normal to see interracial couples.

[@jenniferbelveal4331]

Right- Paul, you CLEARLY CARE A LOT. This an UNFORCED ERROR on your part, 'buddy'!

[@ryanhburnette]

@@necroflowers2244 I looked up where they lived (Lexington, KY) and the racial demographics and the city is 75% white, 15% black, 4.5% two or more races, and 4% Asian. There are more rows to the break down, but those are the top 4. So maybe he doesn’t know many non-whites or interracial couples, but this is also 2023 (or whatever year that particular clip was shot in, most likely within the past 5 years) and it shouldn’t be shocking to him to see different races commingling together.

[@drew2510]

@@ryanhburnette the clip was just a few months ago 😅😭

[@ryanhburnette]

@@drew2510 I hadn’t gotten that far into the video yet, but I saw that Morgan was either pregnant or had the baby already. I don’t follow them or keep track of them closely at all, but I did hear for the first time about 6 months ago that they finally got knocked up. Yeah, they’re young people and they need to just accept things. It’s not like they’re old timers and set in their ways. They are ridiculous and not in the funny haha kind of way.

[@idyllisera]

paul and morgan: sorry, we cant use ur they/them pronouns, you gotta choose one also paul and morgan: would you go to a bar with an alcoholic to show THEM that you support THEM? its almost like they/them pronouns have been around since forever

[@LPempty]

I mean I’m a Paul and Morgan hater, and anti religion in general but surely you can see they aren’t talking about it the same thing.

[@whothehellisthiskid3363]

@@LPempty Well they obviously don't see it the same way, but kind of is. They naturally used "They/Them" in a sentence to be gender neutral in reference to a person . It is the same thing they could do for someone that actually requests it but they refuse to because it's "woke".

[@a2312c]

@@LPempty I mean, it’s just funny that they are just being hypocrites. They’re using the pronouns “they/them” exactly as non-binary people request without them even noticing. We have used they/them as gender neutral pronouns forever without thought for a really long time. For example, we’d say “If someone were to go to this restaurant, THEY’d get xyz..” in this case, we don’t know the “someone”’s gender, so we use “they” as the pronoun in the sentence. That’s what they’re doing here. It just makes grammatical sense to use they/them for people who identify as gender neutral or non-binary. Refusing to use their preferred pronouns is just straight up being an unkind, crappy human.

[@LPempty]

@@whothehellisthiskid3363 they’re not the same thing. One is referencing a person you don’t know the gender of or want to keep anonymous. And the other is using it in correctly towards a person who is gendered but think their not. 1. You’re using it automatically as you don’t know the person in question 2. Is deluding yourself and basically going against the normal instinct to correctly gender someone when referencing to a person who is male or female. I completely understand not wanting to play along with the delusion that a person has. It’s not someone’s responsibility to do so. It’s not at all the same thing. And you don’t have to come back to me with the delusion of different genders etc etc. it’s not a thing and that’s just a fact. It’s not bigotry to say you won’t play along with it. If you think this is actually oppression you need to get a better perspective of that means

[@luxuscarnage4828]

​@@LPemptyDecent troll...using horrific grammar to preach at others about words is okay.I would have made it funnier by going the ironic route. Give us something we don't expect. 🧌 😐

[@hiqjix]

Me, who was a devout Catholic as a child, terrified of sinning, and didn't even know what sex was: still had severe depression, anxiety and OCD. bruh ok morgan

[@emilyisreading_]

Same

[@alim.9801]

Oof I felt that one

[@donnalewis4574]

Morgan’s energy is heartbreaking. As far as I’m concerned, boning that toolbag is the most sexually sinful thing I could ever imagine.

[@ashleyhumbyrd7274]

😂😂😂😂

[@liveitup2420]

All of you are single and miserable

[@Fangirl1327]

Honestly. Like have some self respect, Morgs

[@MoonColouredDemon]

Say less. The whole relationship is doomed.

[@_Lucy_1]

It’s very clear to me that SHE cared so much about the sexual sin that her anxiety got so bad that she was vomiting every waking minute.

[@tiegz9770]

Or her body and subconscious was trying to tell her something

[@afckingegg7585]

Or she was in an abusive relationship

[@alwaysflushinpublic]

Would have been great if Anna had vomited at her wedding to Josh. IT'S A SIGN! That sign says : RUN AWAY NOW.

[@madeleineb8287]

Around 16:19 when Morgan discussed how her therapist said “there is no getting rid of depression/anxiety” I can’t help but think that this is a bad faith interpretation of what the therapist said. As someone with pretty intense anxiety and OCD who has also dealt with depression, my therapist has acknowledged that these things may persist throughout my entire life, and that, rather than be afraid of them, it is most productive to learn coping mechanisms to get through them whenever they appear. This outlook has genuinely helped me face my fears and live a more peaceful life and I hope Morgan gets that peace one day as well.

[@Pfpfpfpfpf2020]

It's a fundamental misunderstanding and it comes from this pressure fundies put on others to "trust God" to heal them. After a while the onus is completely on the person to get better or else fundies assume there is some kind of "hidden" sin in the person's life that they must not have addressed. It's really screwed up. Acknowledging you have depression and it's NOT your fault but you CAN take steps to manage it can be really empowering. And my depression and anxiety have gotten so much better over the years since I've distanced myself from fundamentalism.

[@ashley_huff92]

Hard agree. I’ve never known a therapist to speak in absolutes like that. Likely the therapist was expectation setting, like “woah hey, let’s work on tangible skills that can help you feel better and not focus on eradication” or if they were, then idk get a different therapist.

[@EE.333]

also I don't even think she would have said that about depression either. Persistent Depressive Disorder is a whole separate and less common diagnosis, but most people deal with depression in terms of months or a few years with a likelihood of recurrence, not permanently forever until you die. 😐 the fact that so many people talk about depression like it's a chronic unsolvable lifelong illness akin to a personality disorder is a personal pet peeve of mine as someone in remission from depression for several years. It's this exact "this is inescapable, my life will always be like this forever, the best I can do is try to cope" mentality that can keep you locked in an episode or motivate you to do worse things or take drastic action. It's encouraging and facilitating hopeless, and completely works against most methods of resolving depression symptoms

[@lindseyhendrix2405]

I thought the exact same thing and you put it into much better terms than I could. Thank you (and those who commented too) for explaining this the way you did!

[@DavidSilverPrecious]

@Lindsey Hendrix I was thinking the same thing. It has to be so much harder to cope when every time your anxiety flares up, it's the "enemy trying to sneak in." Yikes. Knowing it's a disease and that you have tools to cope is a million times more productive and therapeutic than the onus being on the suffering person to snuff out the "dark one." I have cancer and cannot imagine sitting here on my bad days thinking, "gee I'm really letting the devil win today" 🥴

[@Strega_del_Corvo]

It’s disturbing because I can see hints of Morgan being able to see reason . . . but then God Paul railroads her and she just bends to his will. It’s fucking weird.

[@Daley16Videos]

Paul's views on interracial couples, "I'M FINE WITH THAT!!" *eye twitches uncontrollably*

[@nebi6597]

Doesn't Everyone have preferences

[@Lisa-dv1xn]

@@nebi6597 He didnt get married interracially so why is he talking about it like it's his problem? Some preferences are irrational.

[@user-rz9rq7pp2b]

I laughed when he mentioned being "on edge." Like the idea of being so racist and small-minded that interracial couples put you on edge. Imagine trying to go to Target for lightbulbs or something and peering nervously around every corner just in case there's a couple more than two skin tones apart from each other ~lurking~ in the aisle waiting to catch you off guard. AHHH! YOU'RE JUST SO ON EDGE FROM ALL THE WOKENESS

[@daisyD1234]

​@@user-rz9rq7pp2bLOL my fiance and I will take one for the team and even *kiss* in front of him

[@user-mv5zt8qd9l]

@@nebi6597 refusing to humanise other people because they don't follow your arbitrary and reductionist views on relationships isn't a matter of "preference." It's hateful.

[@ourchilllifejourney1130]

if he was my husband my depression and anxiety would be off the charts too

[@spacecat7864]

Morgan makes me sad cause I’m just constantly thinking “man I think you’d be cool and fun if you weren’t like kinda in a cult”

[@Pfpfpfpfpf2020]

I know 😩

[@awong6436]

I was just about to write the same thing

[@FabricofTime]

Yeah I think I'd wanna be friends with her if she wasn't still in that situation.

[@tiffanyhowell8444]

I agree, I have always felt that way. She has def said problematic things but I really do think she is heavily pressured and influenced by Paul and their religious circle. At her core, she seems so fun and full of life and it’s hard to watch that part of her snuff out over time.

[@redrobynyum216]

saammmme

[@amygeyer1166]

These two are a good argument for well funded public education . Their parents obviously avoided any sort of critical thinking skills in their upbringing.

[@erinfield1943]

Yes! Education is critical to helping the US out of its fundamentalism and essentialist (tribalist) worldview. I grew up in a fundamentalist home and my life changed when I went to university. Stay in school, America!

[@glutenfreesnark]

Every time a Christian influencer says "I was bullied by atheists" I just think about how the pretty worship group girls from youth group bullied the fuck out of me for my looks and my immodest bosom. But I can't help it if I have a heavy ass and a wide set chest.

[@candacebarlow9296]

A Christian group used to pray every morning and block my daughter's locker, made her late for class and when she asked them to please pray in another spot , they and a teacher said it was their right to pray wherever they wanted. She just had to start pushing past them until they moved

[@null5180]

Wtf! This happened to me too! How weird people get shamed for how their bodies are… I know I was horrified by how I was treated (it even went as far as a “friend” of mine physically groping or hitting my breasts) and I wouldn’t wish that upon anyone 😢

[@glutenfreesnark]

@@candacebarlow9296 oh my goodness, that is so horrible. She didn't deserve that kind of harrassment and hostility. I hope she is doing better.

[@candacebarlow9296]

@@glutenfreesnark she is. She just had to stand up for herself and let them know she has a right to not be late for class because of them, and their right to pray doesn't void hers

[@sydneym-y]

Funny enough all my worst bullies were Christians (private school and public school).

[@thebabygiraffe4921]

Whenever she calls him “buddy”, that is her self defense going up after a condescending comment, or when she knows he’s clueless on an issue.

[@Ago2904]

He is so condescending towards her. Her laugh when he does so, hurts me for her.

[@Mels0103]

Imagine having your husband sit there and say that it would be 𝙘𝙝𝙖𝙡𝙡𝙚𝙣𝙜𝙞𝙣𝙜 for him to be with you if you were 60 pounds heavier. Maybe that's a sign that you aren't mature enough to be in a committed relationship, Paul.

[@mxflint1715]

Right like 60 pounds aren't even that much

[@habibti320]

And saying that the postpartum person might have “let themselves go”? Breastfeeding affects people differently and pregnancy has a huge effect on your body and hormones! Not to mention sleep deprivation…

[@Julieb210]

I think it's a sign that he's a dick.

[@goingunder2548]

I get the feeling Paul expects her to look like a 20-something for her whole life, like he's going to be sick of her as soon as her body changes with age as well. If he can't handle 60 more pounds, I can't imagine he'll be enthusiastic about grey hairs, wrinkles, saggy skin etc either. He is obviously very immature.

[@missstripedsocks]

@@goingunder2548 Paul obviously puts a lot of time and effort into his own appearance, the man seems very shallow. Morgan seems more laid back when it comes to her presentation (I think she's naturally pretty, just more low-maintenace.) They just seem so wrong for each other as a couple.

[@emilyrose7381]

It's wild to think that if Morgan had even a crumb of self-esteem, or if Paul had an ounce of self-awareness, the Paul and Morgan show wouldn't exist and i wouldn't have this headache right now