The Dumbest Way To Fight A War | The Tomorrow War

Fighting a war isn't easy, but some armies just make it unnecessarily difficult on themselves and doom humanity to extinction in the process.
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[@Rinchen8192]

It makes perfect sense. The people of 2050 realized they were in a movie and their only option was to scour every other dimension and timeline for people to throw into the meat grinder until someone with plot armor wins the war for them.

[@ru5h1n68]

Honestly I don't hate this idea as a movie so long as it's leaned into. I could seriously picture Ryan Reynolds making this a movie

[@daegnaxqelil2733]

at leasy the figts scenes were cool we only watch the movie for it

[@webguy943]

White man saves world.

[@adityarao7703]

holy sheet, you're giga brained

[@LTirishkeg]

Endless Meat Grinder = Glorious Plot Armor...checks out

[@Werrf1]

You're missing the critical subtext. The human resistance was crippled by the fact that all their generals, tacticians, strategists, and generally competent military leaders had been killed, leaving them with only the tactical sophistication of a Hollywood screenwriter.

[@BernddasBrotB7]

And apparently every single strategy gaming enthusiast as well, and writers of proper military fiction... Or just anyone who hadn't been lobotomised. Better than Hollywood, at least.

[@humppi.2304]

@@BernddasBrotB7 i'm not sure which would be more of a death sentence to fight under, a Hollywood writer or a Hearts of Iron 4 player?

[@obiwankenobi4252]

@@humppi.2304 good question. The Hollywood dude would be like “Charge straight at the enemy, try not to die”, while the HoI 4 player would most likely be like “Whaddyamean armies need supplies”

[@h1tsc4n40]

@@obiwankenobi4252 nono, he would probably try to win the war by only using artillery. Hoi players understand the concept of supplies. They also love their artillery, though.

[@BernddasBrotB7]

@@humppi.2304 Depends on the HoI4 player's favourite doctrine :p

[@AzureIV]

Brannigan: "You see, killbots have a preset kill limit. Knowing their weakness, I sent wave after wave of my own men at them until they reached their limit and shut down. Kif, show them the medal I won."

[@MrCordycep]

Mmmm... 👈

[@kvakerbillduck9500]

Yeah, futurama got that whole movie in just 20 seconds.

[@thegreatemuwar3677]

Kif! I have mated with a women, Inform the Men!

[@phreakazoith2237]

@@kvakerbillduck9500 even DOOP trains soldiers like soldiers before sending them into combat, even if it is just for an entire afternoon

[@necrophadian]

He bought it with his tax return

[@RCJH2022]

"You don't need Training" *The ONLY guy we know that came back was HIGHLY TRAINED* 🤣

[@coolbreeze2.0-mortemadfasc13]

lol Exactly.

[@hangebza6625]

Quick question: if there are only half a million people left in the future, why not evacuate them to the present? You could then use their tech and knowledge of future events to solve concurrent problems and prepare for the invasion. Heck one could even make a series about the potential drama and resulting social and political rammifications. I hate it if bad stories may create interesting ones if you just turn their premise a bit

[@HotDogTimeMachine385]

That sounds like an interesting geopolitical story about migration and refuges. Also it could be interesting since some people are older versions of existing people. But that would require a smart writer

[@mojojojo9458]

@@HotDogTimeMachine385 >Also it could be interesting since some people are older versions of existing people. At the very least, they tried to explain this in the movie with all future soldiers being younger than 30 and all conscripts being dead before the war with the whitespikes starts. But that's it. It still doesn't make sense why they didn't send staff and research into the past where it would be far safer, with more resources, and time that was bought by the time travel machine. They could have provided time travel research to the present and given them 30 years to perfect that and anything else. They could have created toxin laden bullets that kill whitespikes after one shot.

[@LAV-III]

And if the present and the future are technically in different dimensions then there is no need to fight the white spikes right?

[@Del_S]

Well see, that wouldn't let them make a big dumb action movie would it? Er, I mean, the clock is always running in san dimas... timey wimey... great scott marty.... judgement day is inevitable...

[@Del_S]

@@mouse7248 So basically still "we made dumb rules for our dumb story and were too dumb to actively seek any workarounds."

[@jaynguyen1573]

Can we all stop for a second and appreciate the guy who had 24 hours to prepare for a future war vs aliens and decided to rock a full on chef uniform?

[@johnthompkins9593]

He wasn't serving dinner he was served as dinner.

[@nateb4543]

He wasn't even a chef. He hoped they'd see that and put him on kitchen duty

[@buttsexandbananapeels]

What they don’t get into is that the first shot was fired in the New York neighborhood formerly known as Hell’s Kitchen.

[@HuyHoang_95]

That a legendary skin.

[@ankari5257]

Dude got that fortnite skin mood

[@mikebbabe1120]

I knew you guys wouldn't let this slide. They wanted to pull the reverse terminator.

[@TemplinInstitute]

Come with me if you want to die - the masterminds in this movie

[@ArlindoBuriti]

@@TemplinInstitute But to me they did the time travel because they needed the manpower to buy time to make the toxin... nothing more than this... that is why they drafted civilians and did not have then train...

[@ArlindoBuriti]

@@TemplinInstitute because if they had the toxin,they could give it to the people from the pass and kill the aliens from the pass as well.

[@ArlindoBuriti]

@@TemplinInstitute another reason that they only recruted people that died feel years in the future so that they could not create a paradox... you notice that none of the future soldiers tried to run from the monsters even once? because they know that there is no winning this war...

[@andrewdiaz3529]

@@ArlindoBuriti USE DRONES THEN! Have all the past governments dedicate all their military spending to drones and send those into the future. The aliens are basically wild animals but Kinda smart, and last time I checked, LAWS (Lethal Autonomous Weapon Systems) and drones tend to not be what their trying to save.

[@Ninvus2]

My biggest issue with this movie was the ending. Crisp Rat comes back from the future knowing exactly where the alien ship had landed. He tries to bring the info to the government but despite good reason to believe him and their previous willingness to throw thousands of lives at the future war, they suddenly have no interest in stopping the same thing from happening in their timeline. So then Chris Pratt goes to kill the mothership on his own instead and very nearly fails which would have started the invasion early in his timeline. It's hard to say who is more incompetent: The future military command, the present military command, or Chris Pratt's character who I refuse to Google the name of. The one good thing I can say about this movie though is that the creature design was top notch. that's probably the only reason I watched it to the end.

[@battenro]

As a vet I was super confused at the whole “you get 7 days of ‘training’ then we’re throwing you out there with no gear or support in whatever you came in wearing” thing. Almost as if they had no military observers on set to be like “no”.

[@TornadoADV]

Not to read too much into the narratives of the movie vis-a-vie suggorate for the producer/director's morals, but what better way to get rid of vast amounts of population then dumping them in a future that will no longer exist if everything works out?

[@Soundwave3591]

@@TornadoADV one could also spin it as an anti-military narrative vis-a-vie "All these professional soldiers accomplished absolutely nothing, so it's up to us free-thinking civilians to solve the problem for them"

[@NODnuke45]

@@Soundwave3591 That was my first thought, someone wanted to write an anti war narrative into a movie, who either knows nothing about or refuses to acknowledge details about war or why it is sometimes a necessary evil.

[@AceDan-gc9po]

If they can only send 1000 people at a time why send basic conscript infantry? The US alone has 2.2 million trained soldiers sure a lot of that has only had basic combat training but that’s eons better than civilians with one week. Then use the time where the military is being sent in to give the civilians actual training.Second how are these swans stopping aircraft because it looks like they’d be helpless against ac 130s warthogs or other mass payload aircraft. But that can be said for any dumb mob enemy.

[@HotDogTimeMachine385]

As a vet, what's your opinion on the protagonist "strategic" choices? Like when he sees his friend about to get killed so he makes the decision that kills 5 more people AS WELL AS that friend? And nobody calls him out on it... he's still the total hero of the story. man this movie is bad

[@thekingbradable]

Kinda weird too how the world governments were so willing to listen to these people who claim to be from the future and spend money to send their people to die, but not willing to save their own time and prevent it from happening towards the end of the movie.

[@SpartanMikey]

It's a typical public opinion/greed thing which is refelcted by todays governments. While the bridge between the two timelines existed, there was a "threat" that needed addressing. As soon as the bridge collapsed, all the governments were concerned about was their respective economies because the percieved threat that the time travellers had made them aware of, was no longer there for all to see and/or was no longer in the politicians own interests to pursue.

[@lyfizp4ain]

Also low key doing good for over population problem in their agendas probably

[@neku2741]

Don't think, explosion!!

[@domvasta]

Yeah, kind of makes you want to develop 3d holograms on drones and airdrop into a public event dressed in military garb, claiming to be from the future and tell the government that we're under attack from aliens, but they're allergic to gold, so can we have like, 20 tonnes? Just chuck it in the back of this time-truck.

[@PeppaJackable]

Right we can't even get people to believe in Covid and they were all on board for this.

[@trk20.]

"We need help the planet is overrun" "Well I guess you can have these 4k odd nuclear warheads" "no we need random civilians" "what"

[@randomcast3183]

"Hello this is the future calling. We need you to send us soldiers to die in this war we can't win." * click * "Hello! HELLO!"

[@Fury-lx6pc]

And why did they use only conventional bullets? where are the explosive ones that rips apart even the thoughtest skin

[@trk20.]

@@Fury-lx6pc the guns they used were absolutely dog shit for fighting aliens too

[@crazyfriend50]

@@trk20. ah yes basic ak47s so powerful for literal gods compared to us

[@Vlad.Barbulescu]

@@Fury-lx6pc That's what i was thinking, where are all the armor piercing, all the hollow-points, etc wtf lol

[@mikey5396]

The biggest flaw in this movie is assuming Universe A (2022) would willingly send ALL of their combat capable citizens to help Universe B. In reality they would have quickly realized that saving the future does absolutely nothing for them and promptly told their future visitors to pound sand. After that they would probably have just scoured Siberia until they found the ship and then nuke it to oblivion.

[@coleeto2]

The movie does explain this, only people who were already dead before the worm hole was created could be sent. So they were destined to die early anyway. I believe for the protagonist it was cancer.

[@joshpollnitz3665]

The point isnt that people couldnt be sent, the point is that people wouldnt be sent@@coleeto2

[@algprei4243]

​@@coleeto2 true to some extent. Still those people could be useful for preparations of upcoming war, like expanding war and other industries, building fortifications, scouring Siberia in order to find the enemy while it's asleep and end the war before it starts. The movie is dumb because there wasn't given any reasonable idea/plan how those draftees could help either 2021 or 2051 world. Later on we get some sort of reasonable idea that draftees can help delay 2051 onslaught giving enough time to build a superweapon that wins the war. The problem with this is why didn't 2051 world give info about their weapon and technology to 2021 world. Both worlds could've pooled their resources and possibly finish the weapon faster. Or at the very least 2021 world would be saved with some survivors of 2051 world. That bugged me the most that 2051 didn't share their secret weapon basically dooming 2021 world to the same fate as theirs if the enemy wouldn't be found while they're asleep.

[@GoingForth]

​​@@coleeto2doesn't explain the dumb move made by the 2022 Universe sending their manpower into a useless war with no clear advantages for them

[@thefisherking78]

Or, you know, tell Future Humans to send back intelligence on Duh ArlienZ and promptly develop the weapons to destroy them. If anything they should be shipping humans BACK in time, not forward. Bring information back in time, settle down, build the weapons of the future.

[@Thatslifebro_]

I get the feeling whoever is responsible for this movie wanted to do a "Edge of Tomorrow", but only saw the movie once during release, doesn't understand sci-fi or military, repeatedly ran into glass doors as a child and managed to get his/her hands on incriminating evidence to finance this mess.

[@Sephiroth144]

Nah, just saw a few trailers

[@RX552VBK]

And half read the book Forever War and thought: "Hmmmm...'

[@Hunpecked]

The humans actually have an "Edge of Tomorrow" advantage over the aliens. In 2051, gather all the info on the enemy and send it back to 2022, along with plans for weapons and the time machine. Prepare for 26 years, prudently building one or more time machines. Fight the enemy. If humanity is losing again, send the corrections back to 2022, and start over. Eventually humanity wins. It's just like the "Mimic" advantage in "Edge of Tomorrow", only the reset is 29 years instead of 24 hours.

[@talltale9760]

Definitely read All You Need Is Kill if you liked edge of tomorrow. It’s what it is based on

[@Archivaris]

dont forget seeing Alien as a little kid. u know, crashed ship, some kind of "cargo".... yea...

[@phillipgouthier5525]

Never try to out zerg the Zerg when you're playing Terrans.

[@johngaltline9933]

Finally. The comment I've been looking for. sending drop pods in to a maxed ling army is pretty silly.

[@arkwhite23]

My thoughts exactly bud lol.

[@AegixDrakan]

This is the most on-point comment I have ever seen.

[@ICU1337]

Gotta use the Golden Armada and burn it all down. Funny though, they showed that fire was a clear weakness to these zerglings but still, they tried to out zerg the zerg 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@hungcuong606]

@@ICU1337 firebat , hellion , hellbat used plasma to seep into the zerg armor they don’t use fire because if that the case then there would be no zerg on char an entire planet cover in fire and lava

[@Ares-rx4zz]

It’s like the Script was made by a kid who only knew Human wave tactics and basically was like, “Yup, this will surely save humanity from an alien race”

[@PrivateDoge]

Ikr, why can't they for once make a fiction war movie that isn't so incredibly dumb...

[@GAndreC]

Pal the whole showing the military as a organization incapable of meeting it’s most basic duties and responsibilities was to further aggrandize the heroes in the story. And it was pretty much as if the invasion happened in the early twentieth century and they were fighting it with muskets and getting to battle in horse drawn carriages.

[@idkaboutthisfuckoffyoutube1041]

Probably just really bad writers makes sense there was a huge strike in 2006 and all the good movie company’s went to shit because they only gave a majority of credit to star actors

[@malachiseerisrael]

Stupid movie if the people in the past die in the tomorrow war how can their children exist in the future huh

[@Herstal8389]

he clearly saw to much glorious imperium tactics and thought our past self could so easily do it to...idiot

[@Ozblivion-Official]

the fact that not one person on the *entire planet* thought "hey? why don't we take a look at where they first appeared" is the among the most unbelievable things in this movie

[@StudleyDuderight]

What I don't understand is how the future military was losing so badly. They figured out how to cram several hundred rounds of ammo into a 30 round magazine so it should have been a cake walk.

[@4wayy_x363]

More so, they figured out time travel with 27 years. Wtf is it so hard to kill an alien. I feel like those 2 things should be on an even scale

[@anubusx]

I never understood how the future humans couldn't develop a weapon to defeat the aliens.

[@jimmyseaver3647]

@@anubusx Well, technically they _did_ with the whole toxin thing that's the center of the plot of this generally idiotic movie. Honestly they should've just started nuking things the moment it was clear that there was no chance of containment with existing conventional forces.

[@anubusx]

@@jimmyseaver3647 I umderstand that. I meant far more powerful guns or even some type of endoskeleton suits.

[@BamBamTheInfluence]

No bullets.. rocket launcher, grenade launchers, explosives., Fire ... Land nines... Bombs were the most efficient & effective method

[@Bevan1988]

The thing that bothered me the most was that the draftees only went there for 7days. There is no incentive to achieve strategic objectives if you know you are only there 7days. It effectively becomes a defensive manoeuvre where every man and woman tries to stay alive for a week

[@conan2096]

they were literally buying time and most of them would die anyway...they were already dead to the future people so they didnt really care.

[@ethanwillis7369]

Fair enough especially if you know you're going to die before the invasion

[@TotallyAHuman]

it felt like it was a video-game challenge, "Survive for a week and get rewards!"

[@heidtb6746]

I could see this as a distraction

[@mycrazylife1111]

Agreed, and in 7 days, I really think more than a few of those recruits could have found time for a few push-ups and wall-climbs too

[@sharks3010]

I laughed at the line in the film... "If we showed you what they look like, it would be impossible to fill that hanger [with recruits]" They used a global draft, then tracked recruits along with the threat that their loved ones would go in their place if they failed to show. After all that and finally getting them to turn up at the base, still didn't want to show them what they were fighting.

[@siddharthbirdi]

Wouldnt be the first time it happened, propaganda usually shows a flowery and heroic vision of war because if they showed all the dead children and maimed veterans people would lose morale, even during the Iraq War US govt asked TV channels not to show dead American soldiers, so I kinda do get what they r going for.

[@gg3-yobm675]

@@siddharthbirdi the recruits bro... the recruits. this movie is whack, litteraly there was a guy with a claw on him surely he would have shared the aliens weakness but instead tell it mid combat with them.

[@siddharthbirdi]

@@gg3-yobm675 Yeah that whole toxin arc was pretty stupid when it really didn't need to be, it could have been a government sponsored mission to Russia and it would have made sense.

[@SuperOmnicronsj44]

Loved the film, but hey everyone wants to sh*t on a rainbow, so go for it.

[@little_hunt3r]

@@SuperOmnicronsj44 just because you liked the film doesn’t mean everyone else does

[@snazzydrew]

Lmao as soon as you explain the premise of the Tomorrow War, I immediately said "wtf why send people from past to die in the future? what?!"

[@Nooboroshi]

They're scared of fire. So of course we'll use flamethrowers in literally one instance and never again!

[@Marylandbrony]

​@Colton Hauk *Fortunate son starts playing*

[@michaelarchangel42]

So I guess unleashing the power of the sun would be useless?

[@Schneeregen_]

@@michaelarchangel42 I mean, small arms can kill them, so a tactical nuke should do the job better at a fraction of the cost.

[@Valdaishere]

@@Schneeregen_ ehh not too patriotic napalm with fortunate son it is

[@renard6012]

What? What's next? They die after hearing a loud noise?? How can any species in the universe wage war and be afraid of FIRE?

[@jonathanhall5836]

If there are only 500,000 people left why wouldn’t they just evacuate to the past and bring their resources and knowledge back with them to prevent the war in the first place?

[@sevenrubberducks5450]

Becuase there were 500,000 people left and they were spread out everywhere

[@tyeh114]

That would shorten the movie to like...5 minutes.

[@miguelperez9906]

Same reason people don’t leave when a Hurricane is coming …. People are stubborn AF and they really really don’t like to admit defeat.

[@JNArnold]

So they kind of gloss over it pretty quickly in the film, but its implied that they don't want doubles of people either in the future or in the past. So the only soldiers they sent back were to young to have been born yet and the only people they sent to the future were those that had died by that time. Two of the characters theorize it is to prevent some kind of paradox but its never confirmed and it still presents somewhat of an issue because the soldiers they did send back in time ended up stuck in the past, so presumably their younger selves will be born at some point. There are some neat ideas/concepts but I'd say its just an OK movie with some fun action. In some ways I think its realistic in just that a lot of mass human endeavors, including war, is often completely bungled and results in a lot of unnecessary death, so I don't think that doesn't quite make sense, but theres plenty of other things that fall apart if you think about it.

[@cfdfirefighter]

Because not everyone can go back in time. Only those that are not alive in that timeline can go there. Only people who were dead in the future were able to go forward, and only those not born yet are able to go back. So many of those people who are able to go back are necessary to the defense of 2051, meaning if they just left, the rest would be doomed for sure. This guy misses the whole part about that and just says the militaries of the world are destroyed. That’s not true. Only those in the military who are dead in the future could go. So those were exhausted. Then the whole point of the conscripts was to find people who can pull a trigger to help keep the tides at bay. Also this author kept bringing up tanks as if a slow moving, slow traversing vehicle could keep up with the white spikes. There is likely a reason only light vehicles are still around. Everything else is just a tuna can for spikes to peel.

[@niks3632]

you only need one tactic in warfare: "Get em ladz, WAAAAAAAAAGH!!!!"

[@Marylandbrony]

LEEROY JENKINS!

[@_x_X_shal0w_g00se_X_x_]

Yough heard d Boz, WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGh

[@inquisitorbenediktanders3142]

How to counter *WAAAAAAAAGH!!!!!* Strategies/tactics? Simple. Use dakka. And if that don't work? Use more dakka. -every single imperial guard high officer ever.

[@HalfTangible]

"DA GREATEST WAR MACHINE IS DA ORK WAAAAGH!! WE DON'T NEED NO TINKER-TRAPTION TO BE STRONG! WE *IZ* STRONG!! LISTEN TO 'EM: SCREAMIN' WIT ONE VOICE ACROSS DA WHOLE PLANET: WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH!!!"

[@b1indmailman]

2052 General: We need more manpower to fight the White Spikes 2022 General: Nah, youz problem is not enough dakka. Who made this git Warboss?

[@tomasmv1993]

Another thing that was a massive plot hole is that they should have moved the development of the bio weapon into the past, as it would not have been in constant risk of destruction

[@williamwchuang]

That's the biggest plot hole. Billions of people working in it rather than 500,000.

[@notimeforwargames3048]

When i first saw the trailer all I could think was : "Why not just use time travel to prepare for the alien invasion by training an army of verteran soldiers for a decade or two, or why not look for a way to prevent the alien invasion in the first place, 30 years seems like a nice buffer to get plenty of stuff done. Oh we are just going to use our ancestors as cannon fodder so their are even less people to fight in the future... that is literally the worst use of time travel that I have ever heard"

[@UptownDegree]

You would still have to figure out the origin point of the aliens. It seems like these things are ridiculously proficient killing machines even when facing a well armed military.

[@Axquirix]

Somehow worse than "Go back in time and kill past me so that now I have two of my favourite gun." You know your version of humanity is dumb when Warhammer 40k's Orks are smarter than them...

[@AceDan-gc9po]

Yeah consider that 30 years of pure war time development with insight on the coming enemy sorry a swarm wouldn’t stand a chance the very least humans could do would make Russia a nuclear minefield don’t matter how many of them there is you aren’t overwhelming a nuke

[@Llortnerof]

@@UptownDegree You mean a poorly armed band of civilians in military clothing. There clearly weren't any actual militaries involved in this.

[@Protectorio099]

@@Llortnerof When the war first began the aliens were fighting the 2040's military at full strength so they slaughtered a thirty year more advanced military in the span of a few years. I would say that they are proficient killers from that alone.

[@Minotaur-ey2lg]

“Hey, want to go fight in a war 30 years from now?!” “Depends, what are my chances of survival?” “None! We’re blindingly incompetent and we’re not going to train you!” “No thanks, maybe we deserve to die.”

[@davidsworld5837]

does this not sound like the Russian army. there troops go to war with there own uniforms and guns. and they have no idea what they are doing

[@zato-1766]

It's like "please come fight a war for us where based on the time rules here will not benefit you in anyway and we're gonna drop you in without parachutes 20 stories off the ground into Miami.

[@TheGeneralMoe114]

Oh man, so the plot is even worse than i though. From the small clips in the trailer i saw, i thought they were prepping for the future war, but instead them are sending random people into the future? Wow.

[@marcelguberman]

Isn't that a plot twist? I love it! The film is great!

[@Kowalski301]

You (and the guy who made the video) are missing the vital part here: They are only sending people/soldiers to fight in the future, who already was dead from other causes _before_ the war started. If you are preparing for a war some 30 years from now, but dies 10 years from now, all that preperation and you, would be wasted, unless you could travel to the future of course... This was also the reason they couldn't send as many trained soldiers from 2022 to the the future, because soldiers are generally younger, so less of them would be dead in 2051, so they eventually needed to use older, ordinary people.(which is where the movie starts)

[@marcelguberman]

@@Kowalski301 right! Love the plot.

[@JT-zy2ft]

@@marcelguberman for a dumb summer blockbuster movie sure the plots acceptable. Please tell me why were they using people from the past to fight a war in the future when the people in the past would still have to fight a war in 30 years?

[@marcelguberman]

@@JT-zy2ft it's science fiction! Fiction can be surreal.

[@eye-chan1711]

I really have to wonder… why not just evacuate the future? Especially if the worlds are basically separate. I love how the entire plot falls apart at the tiniest bit of pushback.

[@TotallyAHuman]

but then you have to figure out where to keep them in the present

[@bigcycfullhd]

​@@TotallyAHumantrue but weren't there like 5,000 total? 2,500 people are born an hour so would it be a problem?

[@irisisblind2412]

@@TotallyAHuman There were only 500,000 people left in the future. I dont exactly think it would be impossible to find somewhere for them to live

[@alanderek1231]

​@@irisisblind2412yeah large portions of Australia, Canada and the US have such little population density they're almost empty

[@kustomplex709]

Because those who time travel cannot exist in time at the point they are travelling to. it is the entire reason why they are only drafting older people, who would have all died before the Whitespikes invaded. It is also the reason why all of the military from the future that travelled to the present are so young, in the present they were not born yet. Evacuation would not work because most of the population in the future would not be able to time travel to the present, and if those who could stay here as refugees, their present counterparts would eventually be born, killing one or both of them.

[@BlazingOwnager]

When I first saw the trailer, I thought their plan was effectively to give people of the past knowledge of future events to change said future events, not send people like cannon fodder into a losing battle.

[@AndrewBakke]

First trailer seemed to be the going to the future part, but I thought they had Chris Pratt as the ex-military for a draft kind of thing, instead of random office workers.

[@jeremyallen492]

It wasn't a losing battle, the movie makes it painfully obvious that the future war was already lost

[@thekingbradable]

@@jeremyallen492 If the future war was already lost, isn’t that what a losing battle is? Lol

[@jeremyallen492]

@@thekingbradable duh, I was reflecting the redundancy of the movies plot

[@jeremyallen492]

@@thekingbradable and believe it or not there's a difference between fighting a loosing battle and wasting ones life on a lost cause

[@DerpsWithWolves]

If it's two timelines, all they're doing is sacrificing a separate timeline's chance at survival to do nothing to save their own. If it's the same timeline, then all they're doing is wasting their only chance at surviving by making no attempt to actually change the past at all. As both a veteran and a writer, I want to have a word with whoever made the screenplay...

[@Marylandbrony]

If it's two timelines, find one engaging in a proper world war 3 and have some component forces to booster your side. If it's one timeline, just prepare earth until many times needed until the alien's are successfully repelled. Either way it's a better movie.

[@RandomPerson-tz7wk]

The entire time travel story would have make sense if "the future" was the one prepared by another "future2" but still fail because they fail to find where the monster came and shown that nuking entire continent still didn't work somehow. So instead they want to make bio weapons but need people to be bait, people who going to die anyway in normal timeline, for them to lure and capture a queen to develop a toxic weapon for bomb and bullets. And the plot twist, the present is still doom. But they pass what they learn and have to the next timeline. Repeating the cycle, but every time, their chance of winning increases by 5%. Basically mass effect storyline, except instead of ending the reapers. The story is about prometians last fight against the reapers.

[@saiyaman81]

Did folks watch the movie? I don't want to spoil anything, but the dialogue of the movie and the actions that take place explain the two timelines and how they work together. I highly recommend watching the movie, as there's what's being told publicly and what is being done covertly. In the end, it's kind of a silly action movie, but the premise of it makes sense within the rules established in that movie. Analysis done on the "rules" of time travel that don't use the rules established in the movie are kind of bunk in my opinion. For instance, don't apply Warhammer Fantasy Logic to WoW. The both include orcs, humans, dwarves, and "elves" but the worlds are built on different rules and should be treated as such. This movie is the same.

[@nicholasbove3554]

@@saiyaman81 I have not watched the movie but is it explained why the survivors of earth 1 didn't just leave to the past and try to win the war in round 2?

[@cloudsombrero]

Take it up with doctor whos time war this is a clear rip off

[@k26295]

Like PUBG: no proper clothing, no training and shitty teammates!

[@spoilers2199]

So true hahahahaha

[@robbieaulia6462]

But this time with shitty plans

[@jericdavidjones6749]

Being food for monsters to buy strategic locations more time doesn't require much training.

[@Mr3LW3RO]

LMAO IF PUBG WAS A MOVIE🤣🤣🤣

[@WolfvineGaming]

where we dropping bois **didn't grab a parachute and hit the building**

[@fourhorsemen9274]

My biggest issue with this movie is that they don't tell the troops what the hell they're fighting. Yes they say it's alien, but it is big, small. How do they fight, nothing is explained and you expect to win a war. They basically said you're so worthless you don't need to know how to fight or what your fighting.

[@jacquelineking5783]

Related you would also think they would have mandatory weekend boot camps for everyone eligible to be drafted. Even if you don't tell them exactly what to expect you would think you would have them get some military training before they got sent.

[@PinguinOfGruft]

Don't forget: the science lady is Yvonne Strahovski, Mass Effects Miranda Lawson. She is familiar with suicide missions.

[@JinKee]

I should go.

[@supersentaipepsi3736]

@@JinKee After playing mass effect for the first time, I finally get this.

[@ScotlandWeitzel]

WOW, I watched the movie recently and never caught that! I played ME2 probably 10 times over, too.

[@pudanielson1]

@@ScotlandWeitzel She has an American accent instead of her usual.

[@dfgdfg_]

Someone else might have gotten it wrong

[@kurt9395]

"Hey, let's send a bunch of ordinary people with no training and totally ineffectual weapons into battle with murderous aliens and we'll do it in drips and drabs." "Sounds like a plan. Should we tell them what the aliens look like so they know what to shoot at?" "Don't be ridiculous."

[@efxnews4776]

The name of this movie should be called, we have a time machine but we don't know how to use it...

[@minutemengeneral1324]

I forgot no one brought back any picture or videos to study/train

[@Herstal8389]

pretty sure the 2nd guy was just hopping for A plan...and didnt know anything else..but he tried to modify it abit to not make it sound stopid..but failed

[@itztrieuz]

I thought the fact that US Army draft few teenager into the war already dumbest. But hey, at least they trained the Teen

[@nicholaswoods4249]

I was literally yelling at the TV through this whole Movie-- No Intel, No Tech, No Explosives, No Air Support, No Training, absolutely No Strategy = No Chance of Winning --- Then I realized That's what the movie wanted the Whole time -- For them to Lose

[@GrockleTD]

This is would be basically like playing plague inc and instead of warning the past of the disease, they brought people forward to try and cure it.

[@Sephiroth144]

Cure it by giving it to them...

[@theaureliasys6362]

it fails at the first point: "why should we help you? I mean thank you for the intel, we'll ramp our productions. But what would you have to offer? you're even scarcer in oil than us."

[@Philtopy]

The only logical reason why universe A wanted to have the draft was to DELAY the whitespikes and keep them busy with eating people from the past, while they create a cure and save themselves, dooming a weakened Universe B to be eradicated. That sounds more horrible and frightening than the whitespikes …

[@DIY_Miracle]

The video also completely glossed over the fact that those drafted into the future war were dead by the time the future war would've occured meaning they wouldn't be able to contribute manpower. This would've had a greatly negative affect on the economy and therefor the net output of firearms by that time but economic idiocy is the standard in film

[@nstorm2415]

You are wrong in the conclusion. They wanted the past people so they could buy enough time to find a way to kill the spikes. But not to save their world, the plan was to send the solution to the past people so they could save their own world. The future world was considered doomed already because they didnt have the resources to create and distribute the poison.

[@Philtopy]

@@nstorm2415 yeah thats only because they realised the initial plan doesnt work. its too obvious to draw the conclusion that their first intent was much more selfish than that. its human nature. I am 100% sure humanity would not come to a conclusion that would mean they die, just so others can live.

[@404found00]

alternatively just hand over a copy of their existing research on the bioweapon to the past and have those people who would have been meat grinder'd stay in their reality and aid the upcoming mobilization effort.

[@spongmongler6760]

@@404found00 good luck testing something on a creature you don't have. did you watch the movie? everything you just said is moot

[@killmachine8216]

My favorite part was how out of the entire population of the world the only person who knew what’s I assume is pretty basic volcano knowledge was a high school kid.

[@turdferguson7105]

Like all "I didn't see this coming" moments over done in movies from 2007 to present.

[@iWhacko]

Well, they did figure it out pretty late. Chris pratt was teleported back to the past, and why not ask the kid before checking with an expert.

[@jimmykarlsson4126]

THIS IS AMERICA XD

[@ICU1337]

@@turdferguson7105 lol for real. They over played that hand and the global warming news in the background WAY too hard. It was like, "Well, guess we know how this movie ends now..."

[@devindiaz1085]

@@iWhacko I'm pretty sure the guy running the earth sciences lab wouldve already been the expert to ask... and he was in the group that went to the highschool to ask the highschool nerd that just happens to like volcanos. For that matter even if the guy running the earth sciences lab didn't specialize in volcanoes I bet someone who works there does and it'd save you a trip. So. There's not really any justifying 70% of this movie

[@itztrieuz]

"Wonder why there only few people alive" *Spawn on the sky and 90% of them fall to death.*

[@rasmuskock8077]

As soon as I saw that I was absolutely speechless. WHY?!

[@little_hunt3r]

It sounds like edge for the sake of edge. Pure shock factor

[@Kaanfight]

Lmao that’s actually in the movie? That’s literally the joke from Futurama when they have a time machine that kills their old selves and resolves the time travel paradox.

[@DaveQZ85]

In the movie they explained that as a “glitch” in the exit coordinates. They were meant to land in the middle of the streets I’m guessing. Not totally improbable since they’re sending them through time and space. Simple script way of not having to put a ton of actors into the shots if they all made the trip.

[@Shadamachaeon]

Which would be the worst way to go - Materialize several thousand feet in the sky, or several thousand feet under ground? 🤔

[@alexkaen1701]

The idea is good, basically following better movies like Edge of Tomorrow, a time travel story where a military searches for victory across multiple timelines They took this idea to the absolute dumbest denominator, "Time travel...ooga booga...more troops...bang bang" The worst part isn't how stupid the final story was, it's that the outline was there to make a truly great movie, like giving a tricorder to a caveman

[@Brasswatchman]

Betcha some executive or another got involved.

[@GirlWhoCriedAardvark]

@@Brasswatchman Executive Meddling: The Movie!

[@Ignonym]

"Mankind has had ten thousand years' experience of warfare, and if he must fight, he has no excuse for not fighting well." --T.E. Lawrence

[@leonardhollsten8145]

@AC .G The greatest mistake a lot of people make. Yeah, you can claim that mankind is good at warfare, but it doesn't hold up because people are complicated.

[@Ignonym]

@AC .G You're reading too much into it. I just thought it would be an apt quotation given the video's subject matter.

[@matti8633]

@AC .G Groups of people can be said to have skills even when all of its members do not have them. For example if a family has four members that are very musical and one member that is not it can still be called a musical family. Humanity as a whole has a lot of experience at making war and as a whole can be expected to do it well even if most of us are not trained for it.

[@SuperOmnicronsj44]

Who's T.E. Lawrence.? "HE's DEAD NOW" -God

[@praetorianguard261]

@AC .G Tell me what happens to the people who don't know how to fight

[@TheSaikek]

Those drones did a pretty decent job. why not start mass producing them instead ?

[@j.fragoso7451]

YES, it seems way more effective than sending random civilians without training. Imagine a sky filled with a swarm of drones killing aliens 24/7.

[@elmichellangelo]

They didn't do shit if you've wash the base invasion properly.

[@TFZ.]

As youtuber "terrible writing advice" would put it: "I dont have to worry about real tactics, because that would draw attention away from how awesome my self-insert Mary su... I mean Gary Stu is." (P.S. no hate intended against Chris pratt.)

[@dannyzero692]

Because that wouldn’t make a good story which this movie already failed at

[@stealthcone]

@@j.fragoso7451 no shit nothing is stopping a wall 30mm APFSDS rounds except for a steel wall a meter thick

[@sylvianblade75]

The whole film was like an algorithm where the plot was mined using data. People like aliens in America? Yes. People like a patriotic navy seal? Yes. People like a family man? You bet. People like aliens which are bloodthirsty? We got this. People like time travel? Duh. This is Netflix’s bright all over again. The plot is just duct tape to stick all the tropes.

[@skychieftain]

You've just described the MCU

[@warrior_of_liberation]

@@skychieftain Yeah, thanos was vampire

[@skychieftain]

@@warrior_of_liberation oh you just noticed?

[@alphasiera1757]

Reminds me of that zombie flick with dave bautista, zombie? Check! Robot zombie? Hell yeah!

[@kevis6310]

Why don't people like bright

[@svenlauke1190]

while the premise and especially the ending were ridiculously dumb, I did enjoy the "montage" at the beginning on how everyone is getting recruited, and feeling the dread of the characters, that things are getting perpetually worse. that was well done

[@GeorgeMonet]

But that was the problem. The only reason people felt dread is because of all the writing stupidity.

[@morganb6717]

"Whitespikes" "Oooh, they're being attacked by hard seltzer?" - Ryan George

[@BeautifulEarthJa]

'no, that's white claw' lol

[@BigMikeMcBastard]

Whitesnakes! They're being attacked by extraterrestrial hair metal bands!

[@TheNefastor]

Hard seltzer is *tight* !

[@sam23696]

I love how the F-22s at 8:40 are just dropping hellfire missiles out like they are unguided bombs. There are so many ways to represent a realistic saturation bombardment on a city, and they clearly have the CGI budget. Why did they choose the wrong aircraft to incorrectly deploy the wrong kind of weapon in the least realistic manner?

[@Hedgemech]

In fact, why F-22s at all? F-22s are massively complicated aircraft, which require huge amounts of resources to keep running - resources which the future population base can't afford. They also have capabilities which are completely useless - the White Spikes can't fly, so what use is stealth, ECM or supercruise? Instead do it with DC3s or the equivalent. Cheap to build and maintain, rugged, capable of carrying a far greater payload, multi-role - and just as immune to the White Spikes as an F-22. You could literally have a guy pushing C-4 bricks out the back and it would be better than a flight of Raptors...

[@sam23696]

@@Hedgemech Perhaps they use them for their speed? They also maintain a time machine on a gigantic oil rig surrounded by mines and several tall fences. So I take it maintenance isn't much of an issue. Come to think of it, you could even argue that because there are only a handle of people left they would have access to the combined resources of a advanced civilization that used to be billions strong. That suggests there is probably a surplus of whatever they want. All of these points are excuses however. You're right, why not any other conventional bomber?

[@songhan1586]

ya they used f-22s air superiority fighters instead of the best available air to ground fighter, the a-10

[@Vindicator_SD]

@@Hedgemech literally tho. World War Z had an entire chapter dedicated to an F22 pilot who was salty about how she can't fly F22s anymore because they are ridiculously resource intensive for an apocalypse situation. At this point I'm pretty sure the only reason they keep using the F22 is because someone made a high quality computer model for the first transformers movie and it has just been circulating Hollywood like a high-school math cheat sheet ever since because no one wants to make another one.

[@spectre9611]

@@songhan1586 YOU'RE GOD DAMN RIGHT THE A-10 IS THE MOTHERFUCKING BEST BOI

[@Honestcarry]

As a former MLRS driver, just one of us could destroy an entire grid square. I firmly endorse this idea of all of us going over there.

[@sirflapfla97]

yeah each motor group has like one shared between them so yeah thats a lot of artillery so use it

[@RorikH]

How big is a grid square? Like a block, or like a square kilometer?

[@sirflapfla97]

@@RorikH I believe a square kilometer or it might be 10 I forget I am not a member of the military

[@supatotenkopf88]

@@RorikH square kilometre

[@Tank50us]

@@RorikH it's a 1km x 1km area on a map, and when using the right kind of ordinance, the M270 can turn that entire section of map into something resembling the surface of the moon.

[@somerandomschmuck2547]

I remember seeing the trailer and thinking, “there’s a twist, there’s got to be some sort of twist to make this make sense, it gotta be some sort of plot to kill off people in the past, no one would ever think up a plan like this, and no one would expect to even work.” I did not have any expectations, and somehow I was still disappointed.

[@DivineFalcon]

With technology and knowledge from the future, they could just spend 30 years improving their defenses. And if it still fails, just use time travel to go back and keep improving. With time travel you literally have all the time in the world to prepare.

[@dallasmckim4370]

*Checkpoint reached, progress saved* *Activates "Keep inventory" cheat* *Restarts checkpoint over and over, kills lvl25 Whitespike with unique lvl100 Napalmthrower*

[@beastwarsFTW]

That sounds villain's plan to learn the secret of eternal life in Time Splitters 3.

[@Elmithian]

Yeah, because even if the future folk couldn't be transferred, the information and research they had achieved, especially the time travel tech, would definitely change the other timeline future immensely.

[@deathsheir2035]

@@dallasmckim4370 Minus the "keep inventory" cheat, you basically described "Edge of Tomorrow"

[@LuizAlexPhoenix]

@@deathsheir2035 Yeah, until the movie decided "enough progress has been achieved, not enough for a clear victory but close enough. Now removing barely explained time travel privileges."

[@nottherealpaulsmith]

"We need help! Send us soldiers!" "You think we can open one of those wormholes above a Minuteman silo?"

[@divery4eyes]

good luck getting in 341st

[@nottherealpaulsmith]

@@divery4eyes No, no, you misunderstand. We open the portal, you launch the massive fuck-off missile up through it. Boom, alien barbecue.

[@bluemountain4181]

@@nottherealpaulsmith Though do the future people not already have nuclear weapons? If they wanted to nuke stuff they could use their own. Perhaps they already did and it didn't work for some reason. Though really they should have just used the wormhole technology to evacuate rather than continue the fight

[@jimmyseaver3647]

@@bluemountain4181 Roanoke Gaming posited that future humanity figured nukes were unneeded since they were fighting a bunch of beasts and already had lots of tanks and air support, only realizing too late that a radioactive cordon would've been quite useful.

[@wxmyjnsn]

@@divery4eyes 351st Whiteman AFB 90s

[@francesco8000]

The only sci-fi universes where i accept the "send more people into the meatgrinder" are Starship troopers (movie) and WH 40K. The first is a satire where the incompetence of the high command is actually part of the story and Warhammer....it's just insane.

[@NihilTruth]

Well, 40k is satire too. What of depends on the focus, hell the Imperial Guard satirizes different things depending on the regiment. Catachan are clearly Vietnam satire, just look at "Sly Marbo", while Krieg is of WW1-era attitudes to warfare, for example. Then you got the Orkz, who "what if english football hooligans were an entire species".

[@TheIfifi]

It even makes sense in 40k... Manpower is literally so cheap. Which even makes sense looking at a population growth chart. It's freaking exponential, in 40k they are able to produce people faster than kill them.

[@seamusperkins2526]

@@TheIfifi Exactly. 40k is a universe where entire Segmentums are Exterminatus'd to contain a relatively small Chaos cultist outbreak. The scale is enormous.

[@matthiasbindl7085]

@@seamusperkins2526 considering that the imperium has only 4 segmentums, i doubt that. I think you are looking for the word sector and even then that´s the exception of the exceptio

[@francesco8000]

@@NihilTruth Wh 40 is all over the place but in a good way. You go from the most competent and best equipped (not space marine) soldiers in the empire to commanders that would literally lose a millions of soldiers in one assault and call it a success if they barely advance. Everything is insane but it works.

[@chrisshorten4406]

You know, if they were able to create time travel technology (with how ridiculous their plans were), they could have just built mechs that could mimic the White-Spikes and fought then with those.

[@scottyhook33]

They didn’t even let the conscripts know what the enemy was, what they look like, what to expect, I got better training in COD 2 throwing potato’s like they were grenades

[@justindunlap1235]

Wait a minute, if you threw the potatoes, what did I put in the stew?

[@rafaelfarias4359]

@@justindunlap1235 The Commissar said that the actual grenades were more valuable than the trooper in training. So likely that he did had to collect them after the throw and add to the officers' stew.

[@juliane.mfarias9285]

Oh it was COD 2....Thank you, i didnt knew what COD was

[@charliecooper6586]

Epic reference to cod 2, it’s been some time since I’ve played that

[@GabeNsApostle]

That’s because real grenades are valuable! In fact, they’re worth a lot more than you are.

[@Regnart_Seht]

We have 20 years to prepare. Let's train for 7 days. That should be enough.

[@KaffiRawr]

The future civilization did not even have 1 year to live, though.

[@AegixDrakan]

@@KaffiRawr So move the survivors OUT of Doomed Timeline B, and into Past Timeline A, where they now have 20 whole-ass years to prepare.

[@k4zum4s4m4]

@@AegixDrakan I think the movie explained that the same person couldnt exist in both timelines, the future soldiers that came back wasnt born in 2022 and the people who went to 2051 was already dead there. But again... it was just 500k native 2051 people... there were bigger numbers of civilians left behind in conquered territories in wars... They could easily save the unborn ones and count the rest as colateral damage... HELL saving just the unborn ones would be considered a win... Since the aliens killed the entire human population already...

[@mAsiann__]

Yeah I don’t understand why they didn’t just prepare for 20 years. They fail? Try again. Just lie and tell them that they are in the first attempt and not in the 23rd (or whatever). Just take what works and you’ll eventually win.

[@Holsp]

@@mAsiann__ they said the time passed in both worlds. meaning even after ten years in our world we would be still 30 behind and those 10 would also pass there. That means they couldnt just drag their people back train them for a few years and send them back in

[@123FireSnake]

Spoiler: I also "like" how they create naratives that are at odds with each other, the recruitement having to be of people that are dead in 2051 or risk creating a paradox is completely at odds with the idea that these are supposedly parallel universes.

[@MrCoolguy425]

i dont really think that is the case. Time travel is quite a weird thing, so if a parallel universe sends another of you over to this universe at the same point in time, the universe would have two identical instances of the same person, even if they are different in that they are from another universe

[@Sephiroth144]

Also, REALLY good thing none of them did anything that affect the next thirty years- like, at all.

[@123FireSnake]

@@MrCoolguy425 well even then as we are talking parallel worlds there will be no paradox causality remains intact. Basically all time travel paradoxes stem from breaching causality if oyu just say they are parallel worlds it's fine.

[@abelaidloera5930]

And haven't they figured that being sent to the future and not returning IS the cause if them being dead by 2051?

[@Hunpecked]

@@abelaidloera5930 Actually, no. As of 2048, when the aliens appear, Chris Pratt's character died in an accident a few years after 2022. The guy on his third tour died of cancer in 2023 or so. We're to conclude that only half the 2022 military can go to the future because only half die by 2051. That's odd, of course, because there are literally millions of active duty soldiers today plus millions more veterans, and a population of only half a million humans in 2051.

[@thatoneguy3032]

A great idea would have been to say "NOPE" and the resistance taking all the data and people they had through the time hole and leaving a nuke to go off behind them to destroy any chance of the spikes accidentally making it through

[@By-s]

Well, in Armageddon, they thought that training miners to become astronauts makes more sense than training astronauts to become miners.

[@kazansky22]

At least they didn't send a chef that couldn't mine, or astronaut.

[@sylvianblade75]

Lmao yeah but they did acknowledge that and made it funny.

[@Cypheria]

didnt they try to do that in the first place but screw up badly

[@JeffrikOG9]

They are drillers not miners, and drilling is most def a skill and need a good crew knowing what to do.

[@alinmeleandra3175]

you know this movie's plot is shit when Armageddon's plot makes more sense than it...

[@Rubicon2305]

"You will receive no training... no running, jumping, crawling or obstacle courses! Now, the next thing we are going to do is drop you into combat where you will have to run, jump, climb skyscraper stairwells and navigate obstacles up, down, left, right, front and back of your position at any given moment. No, we won't give or even advise you to use adequate body armor that you have in abundance here in your time (or the resources, manpower and industrial capacity to produce quickly on a massive scale)... we just want you to shoot small caliber weapons at a beast we won't describe, but which has natural exoskeletal armor which perhaps higher caliber weaponry would be more useful, but naaaaah! Oh!... and let's not forget, we will tell you where on the animal to shoot but won't tell you how to identify it's height, proportions, size, weight, or anything that would let you know if you're pointing in the right direction or at the right spot or not. And those grossly inadequately under-powered small caliber weapons we are going to send you with (instead of 7.62 or 30-06 or .300 winmag or 6.5 creedmoor or 300 blackout or 458 lott, or 30-30, or .50 cal, etc.)... well we are going to give you ridiculously inefficient or ineffective optics and accessories for the weapon platform which you are issued." I liked this movie - sorta, but also hated it on so many levels at the same time.

[@tntproductions1996]

@mandellorian Actually the 5.56mm x 45mm round was developed by the Armalite company in the US during the late 1950s. Infact the Americans were to first to ditch 7.62mm NATO rounds by switching from the M14 to the M16 (much to the distaste of everyone else, who had invested heavily into a standardized round.)

[@TheOriginuk]

Like the guys in the future know there 556 does fuck all expect on neck and belly, surely the first thing they want to change in the past is, get bigger guns, they should be throwing 762x51 rifles through the portal like its on shale, rocket launchers, nades landmines 50cals everything, and if they are sendning people they should be going with that same shit as well, send them into the future with Vics with 50s or mk19s, i enjoyed the movie as a turn your brain off kinda watch, but its pretty funny to watch the litterly first battle being against gravity and like 99% of the people eating pavment for what ever reason, never really explined how that happened.

[@coldpsyker1354]

Dont forget, not only are you going to be shooting a small round in comparison to some of the calibers you SHOULD use to kill these big-ass aliens, but you are also going to be shooting it out of like a 6" barrel, so you might as well be shooting flashbangs at the aliens and all your friends surrounding you!.

[@arya8165]

Yea I already checked out of this movie at the beginning when I saw the "12 months later" pop up on screen which means a group of people from the future managed to convince all the nations on Earth to put aside their differences, their political and economic rivalries with each other and work together and enact a global draft to go fight a war in the future based on nothing but their word alone since the future people deliberately hide the truth about the aliens and how scary they are otherwise nobody would wanna go to the future to fight. The movie is dumb on like 1000 levels.

[@marquez4497]

Don't forget, we'll give you a 7 inch barreled AR, you might as well be shooting roman candles at the aliens

[@Modusoperandicod4]

This movie mashed so many different plot points from so many sci-fi films/media. The monsters look and their inexplicable arrival was alot like All you need is kill/Edge of tomorrow. The draft thing reminded me of The forever war in its implementation. It was a honest try with very poor execution.

[@jojothebard6687]

This movie feels like it was written by Terry Goodkind doing a Mad-Libs reading on an Isekai anime. There’s even a “teleported to a distant land” troupe in the movie’s hook.

[@DocWolph]

I was going to say "A Quiet Place" monsters. But certainly the white spikes have that "tentacle quadrupedal beast" thing going. But ditches that nanotech slightly out of phase with reality vibe "Edge of Tomorrow" monsters have.

[@sunshineskystar]

the plot is straight from the resistance with monster coming from north russia and most of earths military is wiped out. hollywood really finally out of ideas after all these years.

[@DocWolph]

@@sunshineskystar They aren't out of ideas. The studio execs no longer have the guts, gall, and balls to actually act on new ideas. Then you can add writers and producers who are too interested in appeasing social media to do anything they know is actually good and interesting. Hollywood is not out of ideas, it is full of cowards. the type of cowards who never would have made it to where they are in the industry in the first place.

[@reactorfour1682]

At least edge of tomorrow was actually a good movie. And I thought this movie was supposed to be something like the forever war as well and was extremely disappointed when it wasn’t.

[@joelhaggis5054]

If you have access to time travel and the best plan you can come up with is "draft soldiers from the past," you are now operating on the same level of strategy as a cartoon supervillain

[@justhope2117]

The game "Into The Breach" actually has the same concept and in my opinion, does it right. There`s a team of mechs from the future who have time warping tech and go from timeline to timeline trying to save everyone from alien bugs. Although it's never explained which future they came from, saving the past still makes a ton more sense than trying to save the future.

[@articcenturion8387]

It's really well done in that game. If you win one timeline, you can pick from the characters that survived, and bring them into the next timeline.

[@FemmeCatGirl]

Titanfall time travel mission

[@WanderlustZero]

@@articcenturion8387 and when you find yourself in an unwinnable situation, it's 'ah well, onto the next timeline!'. A true Forever War.

[@lordhamster9452]

Did you just read my mind? Or are you from another timeline? Yes i too wanted to mention Rift walkers and the rest, and how they fight the apocalypse better. I personally don’t think that all the mechs, pilots and resources are from one timeline in specific. As hundreds have been lost, and the travellers constantly hop through them. One question which i had was weather “Yours” team is the only one in a timeline, backed by the regulars. Or if there can be more teams in a single timeline, fighting on different fronts. I personally found that quite likely considering the foe faced, but not necessary.

[@xexeed1356]

His wife being the only person out of the billions of people on earth to figure out that the aliens might have been here longer than they thought is hilarious and unbelievable 😂😂😂

[@Tank50us]

I mean.... she probably watched The Thing a few times

[@alilweeb7684]

it was that part that i had a aneurism

[@blumoon131]

So really the future didn't need their moms to be soldiers, they just needed their moms to talk some sense.

[@christopherfleetwood5252]

And on top of that he’s married to Phoebe from friends.

[@Parocha]

P L O T A R M O R

[@garrettz.6857]

"Hey, we need to take soldiers from your timeline to throw in large numbers at our enemy. This will have no tactical advantage to you and have little to do with saving our timeline." "Uh, no." *roll credits*

[@zidahya]

I would watch that!

[@MouldMadeMind]

*kills the aliens in their sleep*

[@oldphe1733]

“Also you will somehow have to negotiate a global ceasefire so you don’t fall into a two sided war, because you know, it’s 2022 and people are still fighting”

[@RebornV3]

its funny considering near the end of the film the defense secretary guy didn't want to send 1 spec ops squad to Siberia to kill the aliens but hes willing to send millions to die in a hopeless future.

[@no3ironman11100]

@@RebornV3 Because it's got to be dramatic for a movie. Sending millions to die ? Wow that's such a moment to show how strong the bad guys are! Sending a spec op on a tough mission? Nooo that'd resolve the ploot

[@ablosch2452]

My suspension of disbelief on that movie was broken when they said "destroying the time machine in the future has ruined our plan to take the anti-alien toxin to the future." I mean couldn't they just wait? You don't need a time machine to send something to the future, just keep it in storage and wait.

[@abhijitmajee6754]

The most annoying cliches in this movie was the part where in the tunnel, Chris Pratt sacrifices two more people(and possibly the while team) to save a single person who was already a liability to the mission anyway. As if there hasn't been senseless bloodshed and wastage of human life anyway all around them.

[@tonyplays8083]

Wasn’t Chris Pratt character like a military veteran? Wouldn’t he have learned to put the mission and team first above all else?

[@brettwarren5976]

*whole

[@sarahcampbell3104]

Yeah, I really thought that that whole idea was going to come back into play with Chris Pratt when he is hanging onto Muri with one hand and the vial in the other, that he would have to choose the bigger "mission" and save the vial and let her go and it would hurt but he'd grow and ya know save the world blah, orrrr she would say some tear jerker/cliché like "You have to let go." or "It's okay...I believe in you." and then SHE would let go of his hand so that he wouldn't have a chance to choose her over the vial.

[@bread90210]

exactly, that was so rookie of him, the black guy even told him to stop trying to save his friends and put the mission first

[@SorcerousMammal]

@@tonyplays8083 In the military, you never leave a man behind.

[@Rawnblade13]

The plot of this movie makes no sense. Why would you fight a war in the future that you're just going to fight again in the present? Except with severely diminished resources and manpower because of the pointless future war...

[@Marylandbrony]

It's reverse terminator. But the predestined timeline means the movie is now really depressing.

[@UniverseWillProvide]

You’re looking for logic in a time travel movie

[@redhairdavid]

because the future only needed to buy some time to get the toxin finished. so sacrificing meat to buy time was their plan. a few throw away lines would have fixed this. like saying, this was our 1500th attempt to time travel, we have a new plan now. or something. to indicate they tried all the smart obvious solutions, and they failed for some unmentioned reason. that this was their latest hail mary attempt(as in they tried just warning us, and even when we are ready, we didnt win, time for crazy options). not last chance, because if you can time travel, you have unlimited tries, but just the most recent, and successful one.

[@thatoneguy3590]

@@redhairdavid but making the toxin was useless because they went back to the current timeline and blew up the ship with the white spikes.

[@guldrev]

The future needed the past to masproduce the toxin, but they never got that plan to work in time

[@UltimateDeliciousPie]

"Sir what shall we use? Tanks? Aircraft? Drones?" "No, we shall use the most dangerous weapon in nature. MAN!"

[@Herstal8389]

imperium of man be like but still..JUST BOMB THEM WITH THE WEAPONS YOU TOOK CENTURIES TO MAKE! IT ISNT THAT HARD! ARE YOU DUMB? urgh..this is why you dont let imperial conscripts make movies..they make this bs..oh dont worry..there already executed

[@rasmuskock8077]

I never understood this. I mean, you're fighting against aliens the size of elephants. What are you gonna do, send an army of soldiers with bad trigger disicple and accuracy, and no armour-piercing capabilities, or drones, tanks, planes and armoured cars, that can actually deal with something that big? Why just send a bunch of guys of course!!!

[@enginepy]

2:54 the way they made their first encounter with present day was just so dumb. It’s like listening to a junior high go try to explain a complex concept.

[@B.B.Digital_Forest]

It sounds like they're employing gamers, not actual soldiers.

[@WorldLie]

Thats how you win wars

[@antcig]

Nah there would be more teabagging and somewhat efficient small squad tactics.

[@dr.science_0177]

@@antcig more like they gonna ramboing the whole mission

[@andromedagalaxynebula5751]

Cyberwarfare

[@Herstal8389]

as a gamer i agree this is what a random gamer would do..but im gamer that knows you dont just run into battle..spam nades than take 50 shots to the head than wreck the enemies..no...the russians would explode you in 2 seconds with there rocket spam machines from the moskau video

[@Mickey2099]

Producer: "Why don't the future people explain all the details of the war instead of sending random people through time to die?" Screenwritter: "So the movie can happen" Producer: "Oh ok, fine by me"

[@thesynergyofblood]

Screenwriter: "I'm going to need you to get off my back about this" Producer: "Ok, let me get off that thing" :-)

[@xenobladesrg7729]

@@thesynergyofblood hey ryan

[@thesynergyofblood]

@@xenobladesrg7729 lol

[@pokey1656]

It's super easy, barely an inconvenience.

[@michaelcarrasquillo4781]

“Yeah sending in civilians to their demise by the thousands is tight!”

[@michaelthayer5351]

Would have been so much more interesting if the Resistance were actually working for the aliens, delivering fresh meat in exchange for their continued existence in their last stronghold. That covers all the plotholes of not explaining the whitespikes or properly training the conscripts.

[@viperstriker4728]

But we still have the questions of why the heck does anyone from the past listen to them? I would be like, you guys already failed and you won't even tell us how, yeah I think we will just steal the portal tech and nuke your earth then handle the aliens ourselves.

[@RaG0dofTheSun]

Major plothole: why the world isn't a radioactive ruin. There is literally 0 reason why these aliens wouldn't have been turned into radioactive dust when they first started to overrun russia.

[@grothaal]

@@viperstriker4728 don't think that itself is a plot hole. In the future, no one knows where the aliens came from, so you cant really deal with that threat in a short span of 11 months - what will you do, evacuate and barricade russia? That wont hold the swarm, probably not even nuking it as they could still remain hidden and surge again. All they do sending people to the future is buying time to develop the antigen, and the people with little arms training (they did have some sessions and were set for more ) got sent in an emergency. The bombing didnt made much sense, but movies got be movies. Its just another ID4, whic also had the dumb premisse of connecting and sending a virus to the alien ship.

[@blakefriel704]

@@RaG0dofTheSun Not really. The aliens were not some organized group that traveled in formations, they were simply an animalistic force that spread out like locust. Where would they nuke? The spikes don't have camps or bases. You nuke a city that has them attacking, okay. You just lost a city and millions of people, and you accomplished nothing because the spikes have spread out all over the place already.

[@RaG0dofTheSun]

@@blakefriel704 easy, you nuke the mass that swarms around or the nests where they rest every 7 days like clockwork

[@redman7775]

Biggest plot hole in the movie: If you can go back and give yourself 30 years of extra prep time, WHY THE HELL ARE YOU TAKING SOLDIERS INTO THE DOOMED FUTURE WHERE THE WHITE SPIKES HAVE THE ADVANTAGE?!?

[@apllo4193]

I thought that after watching the trailer, the plot would be that the future people were lying about being from the future. Instead they are from an alternate dimension. They can't time travel but they can hop between dimensions. So they would travel to different dimensions and recruit people by lying that they are from the future. Or something like that.

[@newtonbomb]

That would be way too nuanced and intelligent, jeesh.

[@sweetnerevar3509]

Yeah, I was so hoping that twist would crop up. Everything just seem so perfectly set up for it.

[@enriquealan2481]

This is exactly what I thought

[@bread90210]

i hope part two will focus on the pilot of the alien craft, like a beakon was sent out when the people from the present blew up the craft

[@James-lh7rj]

Oh my goodness that would have made this movie so much more plausible! You did it man you fixed this movie!

[@Etropalker]

Wait... They whitespikes arent just dumb, strong, fast monsters, right? The kind of monsters not smart enough to operate missile defence systems? And they first appeared in Russia, a country with enough nukes to vaporize all of siberia, and a history of scorched earth tactics???? This alternate reality must be related to the idiocracy one.

[@UptownDegree]

I guess Russia was unwilling to nuke itself.

[@Crow_Duskwing]

Wait a sec, I remember one Shyamalan movie with a pretty similar plot… Was a complete disaster. How do scriptwriters keep making the same mistakes regarding alien invasion??.

[@joaobaptista320]

Remember, the aliens didn't signed the Geneva Condition

[@UptownDegree]

@@KarmG-fo4xr detonating nukes in your own territory is still a hard decision

[@TheVeritas1]

@@Crow_Duskwing The twist in Signs was baffling, but it didn't kill my enjoyment of the film.

[@kingmaplesyrup]

It's like the Tyranids vs the Imperial Guard, except the Imperial Guard is smarter than whatever those people have got going on.

[@ANTSEMUT1]

And much better equipment.

[@lyfizp4ain]

Much more fucking competent.

[@kabob0077]

I'd say it's more like 'Nids versus a PDF but that's an insult to Warhammer 40k PDFs since they actually accomplish their goal of holding out until the Guard arrives even though their equipment is probably a million times worse than a standard Guardsman's.

[@lastmanstanding5423]

@@kabob0077 i'd watch that movie

[@zaniatnik]

@@kabob0077 even more so. A lot of attacks are actually stopped by PDF alone. It’s just that they are not spoken of. You can’t make another “Space Marines dropped from orbit and saved the day, hooray” story out of that material, after all. But still. Competent recruits in the Guard have to come from somewhere and said somewhere is the PDF.

[@CommanderShepard-wq3wo]

As much as I enjoy this movie. It is a fun movie to watch for me, it’s a fun ride and I love the bond between Dan, Muri, and eventually James (grandfather). But yeah, in my head while watching the movie, I was like “Okay, if the future is so bad, why not abandon the future? Send all the remaining people alive back to the past. And begin preparing everyone for the war to come. You’ll have wayyyyy more soldiers, and be far, far better prepared and trained for the eventual war against the aliens. Instead of wastefully throwing bodies at the aliens with little to no training”

[@YungFrenchToasty]

I just didn't understand how Physical Training was going to be irrelevant to a person's survival. Also why the marksman training and weapon knowledge of basic training was irrelevant lmao.

[@elmichellangelo]

Waist of time for those in the present and those who will die. I mean even the military of the future xan't do shit. What do you expect from civilian with one week of training. And note, they're not that civilian at all.

[@arnoschaefer28]

The whole premise of the movie, that humanity cannot defend itself against the white spikes, is hard to believe. As is shown in the movie, they can be defeated even using enough small arms fire, and humanity has SO MUCH firepower beyond handheld weapons that it is hard to take the plot seriously. Even if they multiply like crazy I could not envision a scenario where they cannot be contained and eventually eradicated (same thing with zombies, but that is another topic altogether). But even putting that aside, the plot holes (as outlined here) were big enough to drive cruise ships through. They could at least have explained some of the assumptions (you cannot change the timeline, you cannot move large weapons, whatever). It would be so nice to see a big budget sci-fi movie with a little more effort and thought put into the plot.

[@ImpeachObamaASAP2010]

you know what's depressing about zombie movies? the math. do the math on how long it would take survivors to kill all the zombies in the world if there was a 99.99% infection rate. rounding down to 7 billion ppl that means there are 70 mil survivors, assuming half of these survivors can fight that's 35 mil. if there are 35 mil combat capable survivors each one only has to kill 200 zombies (35mil x 200 = 7 billion). so it would take less than a year to kill all the zombies in the world if everyone killed 1 zombie a day

[@deathsheir2035]

@@ImpeachObamaASAP2010 And the infection of the zombie virus is entirely dependent on whether or not the virus gets into the system. If we assume the first zombies had the virus injected into the system directly, and it snowballed from there... Unless the virus mutates, which means we're screwed no matter what, and it surprises me how little zombie viruses mutates, when it would be beneficial for the virus to do so, The survival rate, may be even better than your assumed numbers.

[@webguy943]

Btw now that u mention it, where the hell is that cruise ship come from at the end? Were ppl just partying it up while the world was dying?

[@BPo75]

@@ImpeachObamaASAP2010 And looking at the majority of the zombie movies, most humans struggle to even survive an encounter with even zombie, much less small packs of a dozen. The real kicker is the omni-present infection á la The Walking Dead, where every death of a human leads to another zombie.

[@sordolaxder3.420]

@@BPo75 what zombie movies fail to aknowledge is natural selection. sure your avarege joe on the street without any weapon or prep time will likely get bitten and turned. hence why the virus spreads so fast initially. another factor is usually the whole OnLy DiEs Of HeAdSHoT bs (which i doubt considering how squishy a human is when combared to modern weapons) the whole argument tends to fall apart once survivor enclaves inevitebly form and survivors with proper training and expierience come along and systematically start to dismantle zombie hords. which doesent take into account that the military might be able to stop an outbreak to begin with. in the end, they are just a convienient set piece for an run of the mill apocalypse timeline. there is also the fact that infrastucture wont just decay over night so reclaimed areas should be able to bounce back fairly quickly.

[@joshmanpro7993]

That thing that really bugged me from the beginning of the film was that nobody seemed to ask the question of how do we prevent this from even happening? Like (before the final act reveal) "How do destroy the aliens the second they get off their ship?" so they don't result in a long duration war or un-winable odds? Like setup a nice warm landing pad with Tsar bombs?

[@MrSwccguy]

They didn't come on a ship

[@joshmanpro7993]

@@MrSwccguy Technically they did as revealed in the final act. The statement I was trying to convey was to destroy them at the point of origin. Whether by ship or wormhole, the point at which they started appearing at could be destroyed preventing spread saving the human race.

[@hanneswiggenhorn2023]

​@@MrSwccguy but they still had a rough knowledge of from where they came, so they could have watched that area and spikes it with nukes

[@grahamstrouse1165]

It would be very, very difficult for the White Spikes to stay hidden after they emerge, especially if the future humans who return to the present can provide a even a rough estimate of where they started their attack from. You task a few satellites to the area, program some algorithms to keep an eye out for them & put a couple ICBMs on standby. Problem solved. This movie really does have a staggeringly stupid plot…

[@joewelch4933]

@@grahamstrouse1165 Why didnt nukes work in the first place? Not to mention any sort of heavy armor. Good luck flipping a 70 ton mbt.

[@Matt_JJz]

I find it funny that the future humans are able to time travel but are completely incapable of stopping these overgrown critters.

[@ducamvinh4462]

the quote i'm most impressed by: "Since only 50% of the military are qualified to jump, civilians were needed to support the war effort"

[@SgtZaqq]

I still don't get what the hell that sentence is supposed to mean.

[@ducamvinh4462]

@@SgtZaqq the way i understand it is that, because only 50% of the military are qualified to go to the future, the army is understaffed, that's why they have to draft civilians to help them out. I might be wrong

[@Elmithian]

@@ducamvinh4462 Yes, the 1 million (50% of the 2 million or so) people that are in the US army or the reserves are just too few. Not to mention every other army in the world... I am pretty sure we are talking about around 5-10 million soldiers that are valid for the jump then.

[@Jarandjar]

@@Elmithian And that's a lot of trained soldiers

[@Hungabrigoo]

​@Volkov Even worse, they did state that only 500.000 people were still alive, which means that 99.9999% of all people were dead, and we can assume military casualties to be higher than that. So if what they alluded to, that you cannot send everyone into the future because their future self might still be alive... is complete bs. I swear the writers literally forgot about their own plot points.

[@sonofsanguinius176]

"Our enemies are not human!" Us: so...like...what are they? Aliens? Demons? Machines? Kaijus? Nothing? Ok very helpful.

[@onesec8005]

The dreaded Meat Popsicles have arrived...

[@billtheman7546]

Pokemons, they are pokemons

[@Raz.C]

Yeah! There's millions of species on Earth and humans are only 1 of those species. It doesn't help for someone to say "The things that are killing us aren't human!" Rising sea levels could have resulted in an Alligator Invasion. They aren't human, either! Angry Birds might have started destroying all the buildings in every city, they aren't human, either!!!

[@IAmTheStig32]

If you want to get really dark, they might actually be humans despite all their claims to the contrary. Humans have dehumanised each other many times in history. For all you know, you could be being roped into a futuristic version of the Holocaust or the Rwandan genocide.

[@tuxedogamer7644]

What made it even better was the fact that they didn’t want to tell anyone what they were fighting cause they were afraid that they wouldn’t help fight it. Whereas if they did they could prepare in the past how to better kill them in the future

[@MrSchnitzelSchitz]

Whoever named them 'The White Spikes' definitely just hates Seven Nation Army but didn't wanna get sued

[@fernandomarques5166]

translate to my language it becomes "White Claws"

[@EkEMaN91]

People are usually entirely unaware of the kind of distances involved in modern combat. When Jarhead ended without the protagonist firing a single shot in anger, people thought that was the case for him, not the majority of the solders, who simply went through the wreckage left after artillery, missile and aircraft sorties. Add to that that it doesn't really make for compelling fiction to have soldiers firing at some windows in the distance where they saw some movement for half an hour, before deciding whatever was there is probably dead or gone and moving on. What then some dude doing a 14 hour shift as a glorified Uber Eats driver, flying bombs in and then going to replenish. But yeah. Super dumb moves made in this movie. If nothing else, they could have just time traveled all of the survivors of the future back to Earth and then fortified it for the potential future. Why throw millions into the grinder to reclaim it for 500k people?

[@hamsterfromabove8905]

1 in 10 US infantryman in Afghanistan ever fired their gun. And 1 in 10 of the infantrymen that fired their gun hit an enemy. The rest of the shots were suppressing fire in the general direction of the enemy. Modern war does not look like movies.

[@elmaster48]

You know that the writers fucked up when even my little pony friendship is magic made a better time travel story.

[@femboyblacksmithing5676]

Haha that's a good point!

[@Marylandbrony]

And Regular Show, several times in fact.

[@koimeme]

Cartoons have better time travel than this movie Also nice clownpiece pfp

[@zacharygilmore1075]

Well, MLP is a really great show, so I wouldn’t say that as if that is a low standard.

[@seekingabsolution1907]

To be fair MLP has some surprisingly good writing sometimes, like, not necessarily good , good but better than you'd expect for a glorified toy advertisement.

[@NTE_]

9:07 He got lucky they put the tracker on his right arm

[@imm0rtal499]

well now he can run and dont need to do the second trip 😂

[@Kevlin0069]

No kidding. I watched this movie. *EVERYONE* has the tracker placed on their left arm, so it was incredibly jarring to see this one guy teleport back missing his left arm and miraculously have the tracker placed on the arm he didn't lose.

[@500spectre]

I'm assuming it was placed on the non-dominate arm. So the guy lost his dominate hand. Better start learning to write with your left.

[@themiddleproject2032]

Am I the only one who’s wondering if that should have brought a Whitespike back with him? It must have ripped his arm off and backed away a bit.

[@Eshtmslaprm]

I agree with the title. It is a stupid way to war. Who ever in the future decided that sending (no, taking) people from the past is smart idea is dumb. (Spoilers ahead.) I mean they could have just.. i dont know sent them, the schematics for the weapons and told them to improve them, told the military the best ways to kill the beasts. Or better yet DO WHAT THEY DID DURING THE END OF THE FLIPPING MOVIE!!!!!.

[@palladin1337]

The more I learn about this movie, the more it sounds like someone's bad fanfic put to screen. When someone like me, who has zero military training or experience, can look at your 'battle plan' and see how useless and wasteful it is, then you've got a real problem if you're looking to create any kind of compelling narrative.

[@HotDogTimeMachine385]

You should her about the protagonist who's a former soldier, he's great. Like when he sees his friend about to get killed so he makes the decision that kills 5 more people AS WELL AS that friend. And nobody calls him out on it... he's still the total hero of the story. man this movie is bad

[@Indigo199517]

Reminds me of Game of Thrones S8E3. Good times /s

[@Josep_Hernandez_Lujan]

Pretty much everything is ripped off from older sci-fi movies, it really does feel like bad fanfic

[@lucascoval828]

@@HotDogTimeMachine385 F this film.

[@elwoodbluesmorris2120]

@@HotDogTimeMachine385 He is called out on it.

[@Booksds]

I haven't seen the movie, but it seems to me that at least some of the factions' motivation would make more sense if they just kept the 2051 (A) and 2022 (B) universes as completely separate. The Resistance knows that giving 30 years of prep time to 2022 is all fine and dandy for Universe B... but it does nothing to help Universe A, the timeline they actually care about. So, they withhold their future intel as a bargaining chip for Universe B's resources. Now, each side has something the other needs. It paints the Resistance as more selfish and even villainous, but that could be developed into an interesting plot about the ethics of saving your own reality at the expense of another. Of course, this still completely ignores the larger problem of why the resistance needs the random citizenry of 2022 instead of literally any tank but it might at least go some way into making things less confusing.

[@daaaah_whoosh]

Reading some other comments I saw one that suggested a plot to spread a bioweapon that sterilized the aliens by injecting it into the 2022 humans and having them get eaten. I think I'd buy that plotline, universe A blackmails B into sending humans forward to feed the aliens the drug that'll wipe them out, universe B thinks it's a dumb plan but they need the intel universe A is withholding.

[@rossmcmahon2584]

Something that caught my eye in the film as just funny is the mentioned attrition rate. 70% attrition for a one week tour. The Imperial Guard has better numbers!

[@ian2081]

“Did their plan make sense?” I’m still not convinced there was a plan

[@TheNefastor]

I honestly kept waiting for a mind-bending twist such as "they didn't show the aliens to anyone because in fact the time-travelers are the enemy and the white claws are really the humans and they want to use us against our future selves". But of course, writing something like that requires way more imagination than is commonly found in a Jeff Bezos employee.

[@kingslushie1018]

They were fucking winging it 😂

[@40g33k]

There was NO plan

[@TheNefastor]

@@40g33k you know what they say : no plan survives contact with the enemy. So they saved time by having no plan to begin with. That's some 500 IQ Sun Tzu shit right there :-D

[@Egilhelmson]

Obviously, the plan was to exterminate the human race so as to save the environment.

[@gladiater56]

Future people: We're from the future, there's only half a million of us left and we need your people to fight in a war that's already claimed the lives of approximately 8.5 billion humans Dumb people: Okay sounds good Smart people: Wait why don't we just bring you guys in as refugees?

[@alexanderkilburg7415]

Exactly. The US alone took in more than 500,000 immigrants so far this year. Insanely high numbers to be sure, but survivable.

[@Schnittertm1]

@@alexanderkilburg7415 Germany, during the height of the refugee crisis in 2015 in the Mediterranean took in more the 1.5 million people and we're still taking in tons and tons of people every year. So is the rest of the EU. Get the half a million people over here, get the tech and all other information over here (especially concerning the bio weapon), destroy the time machine on the future end, tell the past people were they'll emerge in Russia and make sure that that area is covered by interlocking kill zones of such a size and proportion that nothing coming from that region will survive.

[@gladiater56]

@@Schnittertm1 or you know we could do what they did in the movie an blow them up while they're stuck in the ice. And then scour every square inch of Siberia just to be sure

[@fernandomarques5166]

For all this movie does spectacularly wrong I've got to give this one to them, the whole reason as to why they just don't bring everyone left is to avoid a paradox. This is hinted at in the scene where the MC gets drafted... *SPOILERS AHEAD* He died before the date would be sent to ie 2051

[@Hunpecked]

@@fernandomarques5166 That time travel works at all in this film tells me there would be no paradox. Say you recruit a guy in 2022 who's going to die of cancer in 2029. He dies in 2051 and now he DOESN'T die in 2029 (nor does he do all the stuff he would have done before 2029). PARADOX! Consequences? Zilch. So shaking hands with another you from the future would be like having a twin brother/sister, only older: no big deal, at least in this movie. Oh, and by the way, destroying the aliens at the end, based on knowledge from the future: PARADOX! 🙂

[@Barot8]

This borrows from a few science fiction films. In Freejack, characters are removed from the timeline at their point of death to be harvested as bodies for the ultra rich to place their consciousness into as an extension of their lives. It's loosely based off a book. There's a similar idea in the movie Millennium where characters are removed at their point of death and also taken into the future. It's also based on a book. In that film it starts off with all the living being moved off a plane that is going to crash and bodies being put in place. In both movies, the idea was to keep the timeline intact. In The Tomorrow War, they don't care.

[@truonggiabao2348]

F-22: state of the art fighter with smart guided bombs that can strike targets kilometers away. Also F-22: fly low af and dropping missile like they were bombs ww2 style

[@Jaslath]

But why even use a F-22 when an F-15E, F-35, A-10, B-2, or B52 all do the job better?

[@sadiqahmed4143]

@@Jaslath or why not just fuking nuke them They're aliens so they're probably just gonna get nuked

[@Pikkabuu]

At least they are not A-10's doing dogfights like in Terminator Salvation...

[@TW0man4RMY]

@@Pikkabuu Dont disrespect the A-10.

[@Pikkabuu]

@@TW0man4RMY As a ground attack plane, no. As a dogfighter, yes.

[@billhudson5789]

When I first heard the premise of this movie I was so confused why they didn't just focus all their strength on preventing the initial war. This movie seems to be 100% "We have a really cool idea for a movie... but not enough time to make it a good script... or make sense."

[@SpartanMikey]

The reason why was a case of: "We got invaded by an alien we didn't see coming, we have no idea of their origin point because we detected no impact sites and multiple places came under attack simultaniously eliminating our ability to even pinpoint somewhere to start. We're doomed already but, maybe if we can get our experimental time device to bring people from another timeline, already dead before the war started, they can buy us enough time to find a 'final solution' so that we can at least prevent the same thing happening to them". Made perfect sense to me. The problem is that people are looking too deep for meanings to things and then confusing what they percieve to be "plot holes" because they've confused themselves due to the need of having everything explained to them rather than simply: 1. Just sit back and enjoy the film for what it is and 2. Use a little bit of their brains to pay attention to the info presented and just read between the lines.

[@humphreymwanza9298]

@@SpartanMikey hmmm pretty sure someone mentioned Russia was the first place attacked and with very little effort our main character located alien ship in🤔🤔... Russia. It's a big dumb movie but I enjoy big dumb movies every now and then 😊😊

[@Rat_Fบcker]

@@SpartanMikey can't pinpoint They literally did pinpoint domant alien ship by a high school student

[@SpartanMikey]

@@Rat_Fบcker Yeeeeaaaahhhhh, watch the film again and pay attention to when that actually happened. When matey boy is in the future they actually state that there was no detected ship or meteor crash to signal their arrival. The first anyone knew of the Whitespikes being there was when they attacked and that the spread was incredibly fast.

[@no3ironman11100]

@@SpartanMikey Or maybe I'm not a disgusting lowly animal like you who lives his life with his brain turned off. I bet you love it when big tech calls you a "consumer". That's all you're being if you don't ever care about a movie's quality.

[@adrianscott4288]

The only thing stupider than the future's plan to win the war, was Chris Pratts character almost starting the war 30 years early. 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@colossaleaglegaming4351]

Honestly I thought that would have been a cool concept. I was really thinking maybe this is how the white spikes show up.

[@adrianscott4288]

@@colossaleaglegaming4351 Oh yeah, that would have been great. I guess that's the real tragedy of this film. So many great ideas, that were just squandered in favour of action packed set pieces.

[@johnwalton287]

I would have preferred it if Pratt had started the war. It would have been less boring and predictable an ending

[@GTAHeistGuy]

He had to save everyone’s future🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

[@matthewhungerford1861]

might of been a proper twist ending in that whats started the war. as they time to breed to overwhelm humanity, also for their past perspective humanity tried and failed to use a bioweapon design specifically for them to commit genocide. i am not defending the aliens actions

[@evilrevolations]

An issue that bothered me throughout the movie 'The Tomorrow War' was the weapon choice against the white spikes. These creatures are bullet-resistant, yet instead of equipping the soldiers with high-velocity armor-piercing rounds, they're sent with a .556 rifle with a 7.5-inch barrel, which inherently offers low velocity and poor penetration. The shorter barrel significantly reduces the bullet's velocity because there's less distance for the gunpowder to accelerate the bullet before it exits the barrel. When it comes to penetration, velocity is king. For example a M855 fired from a 20-22" barrel is capable of penetrating steel plate armor at close range because of its velocity and kinetic energy. This lower velocity means the bullet carries less kinetic energy, which is crucial for penetrating armor or the tough hide of the white spikes. In essence, a bullet from a rifle with a 7.5-inch barrel doesn't have the speed or force needed to effectively pierce through the defenses of these creatures. It also drastically reduces the effective range of combat, giving their faster, stronger, and more agile opponents even more advantages. Look at the difference... This is based on the M855 62 grn. round: 20-inch Barrel: 3,113 FPS, 1,320 ft-lbs. 16-inch Barrel: 2,970 FPS, 1,190 ft-lbs. 14.5-inch Barrel: 2,830 FPS, 1,070 ft-lbs. 12-inch Barrel: 2,700 FPS, 950 ft-lbs. 7.5-inch Barrel: 2,400 FPS, 770 ft-lbs. Speeds can vary depending on powder load, etc., but this is a good baseline. The M855 round from a 16" or longer barrel can (not always) penetrate nearly a half inch of mild steel at up to about 100 yards. The M855A1 fired from a 16" or longer barrel can penetrate up to 3/8 inch of steel at around 400 yards. Thus the A1 round is significantly better, but once you place that into a barrel that short the performance of the round plummets because of just how much slower the round is moving. I honestly feel like they picked the worst possible weapon they could have chosen as their main battle rifle. I mean, they figured out how to time travel, but couldn't figure out how to make an armor piercing bullet capable of killing these things... Please...

[@gonzaloperalta2836]

I haven't watched this movie yet but the worldbuilding seems to be just an excuse to have Chris pratt isekai'd into a generic sci-fi conflict

[@cjstanky]

They should have just went full isekai then, like Chris Pratt gets hit by a random truck and wakes up in another world then the plot happens.

[@TheGoodluckjonny]

@@cjstanky I'd be more willing to watch that honestly.

[@artski09]

@@cjstanky hmm Chris Pratt in overlord or tanya the evil

[@RoachChaddjr]

No idea what isekai'd means, just please don't say it ever again.

[@TheColombianSpartan]

@@artski09 Lmao imagine Chris Pratt in Re:Zero

[@Destroyerofnations]

I feel like this movie was one of those movies that’s just fun to watch and to not think to much about it. Because the movie was fun as hell to watch, but when I started thinking about it the movie became....less fun to watch.

[@IbrahimAhmed-jk2cl]

Not really I tend to not think a lot about plots And this one was very confusing as the solutions were very easy but they went for the most stupidest ones

[@VARachel]

You understand the point. It was more for entertainment than pleasing some KZbin critic

[@terricon4]

Ya, I'm the type that can't turn off my brain like that. I mean take Heavy Object anime for example. Quite a fun watch with big explosions, machines, and some cool stuff. But I would spend like two hours with the thing paused each episode just silently venting and mentally going over all the shit that was wrong with what I just saw over the past five minutes (first episode was probably around 6 hours of venting... that one really piled the BS on heavy). Much better to go back and rewatch though, but that first watch was quite the mental hurdle.

[@Destroyerofnations]

@@terricon4 Oh no I can understand having that mindset, but I’m personally okay with switching it off every now and again.

[@rasalasblack]

It is not the script that is NOT fun for me. The HAMMY ACTING of Chris Pratt that made me so irritated. He can't sell the stupid, ironic since he is a comedian. If someone better acted the lead, I can have fun with the silly plot.

[@UnreasonableOpinions]

“Gentlemen, this time travel device allows us to change the past to bring resources to the future as our last hope to survive. Options?” “What if we take past soldiers, get them all killed for no effect, and when we run out just send even more useless civilians?” “What if we contact a massive number of alternate pasts, send them all our schematics so that hundreds of fullyfuncfional Earths can get churning out munitions and gear we pay for with our future tech schematics so we gain an insurmountable logistical advantage?” “Nnnno, operation Suicide Idiots it is.”

[@lexxstrum]

Imagine if you set up multiple pasts with advanced tech and knowledge, with a time bridge of their own the last thing, so THEY can shoot all their tech knowledge down farther down into the past, for a couple of cycles? ~White Spikes come rushing into abandoned human city, find a half dozen Ironman style armors, each with a fully sentient AI network guiding their actions. Overhead, a large airship decloaks and begins firing targeted directed energy beams into the swarm, while micro-missiles track the stragglers of the swarm and obliterate them~ And that's how you Future War!

[@UnreasonableOpinions]

Even if there's timeline stuff to prevent you from recursing and you have time passing 1:1 in your connected worlds, having multiple entire Earths building hundreds of thousands of combat drones each - that you can use autonomously because most of the world is already lost - has to be obviously better than sending in civvie conscripts.

[@fxDELTAx]

@@lexxstrum Most of the experts that knows how to do that are probably dead.

[@certain_sloth]

Honestly for the first half of the film I thought the government was trying to do population control or get rid of people they deemed undesirable.

[@Sephiroth144]

@@UnreasonableOpinions Or, shit, a couple thousand from the US stockpile. Fly out, unload, back to the time tube, reload, rinse and repeat. Depending on how signals traverse the tube, either an AWACS holding position at the future entry point with a duped comm system, so drones can be flown by "pilots" in the air, and handed off when they cross the barrier. It'd be even more like a video game- just one that doesn't seem like a quarter muncher.

[@indianpapi3442]

The worst is how they find the ship and make the worst possible decisions to destroy it themselves where it can go so horribly wrong.