The Dynasty explores Patriots' Super Bowl 36 win & Spygate | The Dynastic Post Show

Phil Perry, Tom E. Curran and Michael Holley break down episodes three and four of the docuseries on the New England Patriots, "The Dynasty" on Apple TV Plus. The group goes in-depth about how the Patriots went from heroes to villains in such a short time. They're later joined by Matthew Hamachek, the director of the series, to discuss pressing Bill Belichick on Spygate and much more.
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[@jacksoncraddock7264]

They did the series such an injustice not putting the Lawyer Milloy vs Rodney Harrison situation and not shedding light at all on the 21 game winning streak and the 03 and 04 SB winning teams….

[@bpusef]

We all know the Lawyer Milloy story there’s been like a million discussions about it

[@jacksoncraddock7264]

@@bpusef ok well what information did they provide or what light did they shed on the spygate shit that literally anyone and everyone didn’t know already????? They skipped right over that stuff and got into the spygate scandal and really provided zero new information lol

[@universityofpassiveincome]

Na this guy doesn’t get it. Fans want the whole dynasty covered… but u skip 2 championships and go straight to spy gate 🤦‍♂️

[@chadbinette3201]

The worse part of spygate is the casual fan constantly crying " Patriots were filming other teams practices " and have no idea what it actually was. Yes let's think about that the rams, colts, and other teams let an unknown person film thier practices. In a time when cell phones DIDN'T have cameras and video cameras were the size of a fricken brief case! C'mon .

[@r.williamcomm7693]

Agree. I’m a Steelers fan so if the Patriots were cheating I would love it. But the fact is that the rules for taping signals only applies to signals being taped for USE IN THAT GAME. Roger Goodell’s memo applying the rule to all signal taping did NOT CHANGE the rule. The only way to change that rule was a majority vote of the team owners. If it had been a court case, then it would’ve been thrown out of court. The NFL & the Commissioner had egg on their faces so Bill Belichick accepted the fine & penalty for them & for the sake of the game & because Kraft wanted to get along better with owners. Belichick was the only one who so loved the game that he let his good name be tarnished in the eyes of ppl who are too lazy to read rules, understand simple things & exercise critical thinking. That’s just the truth.

[@chrish2112]

Filming opponents' hand signals is still, to this day, not illegal in the NFL. The Patriots broke zero actual rules and were punished for winning too much. Fact, not opinion.

[@donywahlberg]

@@r.williamcomm7693Additionally look at how folks reacted to Bounty-Gate. Do we treat SP the same way we treat BB? No and we never have. That one got chalked up to "league culture" with the assumption being most teams were trying to kill important players. Look no further than Dynasty when the Pats defense talks about how important it is to blow people up and spook them. Spygate was much the same as Curran says -- people were filming and stealing signs going back to Bill's Cleveland and NYG days.

[@gf4670]

@@r.williamcomm7693Yeah the NFL has a habit of selectively applying rules, changing rules, ignoring rules, etc depending on public sentiment and whatever they feel is going to be best for the corporation in that moment. And then they expect players and coaches to fall on their swords because of that whole "Protect The Shield" mentality. They really bungled it with deflategate, but also bountygate, Ray Rice, etc. And to make it worse the media plays right into it to draw more eyeballs.

[@martinj205]

Excellent comment. The idea this has to be explained to other fans is a sad illustration of IQ levels in general.

[@bobwalton4630]

Seeing Eli Manning escape from Jarvis Green and throw that miracle pass to David Tyree is as painful as ever. But I have to give props to the filmmakers for the "Spygate" episode. The focus was on how the 2007 Patriots rallied around their head coach and how they used the scandal as motivation for their outright destruction of everyone in their way that season. The behind the scenes footage alone is worth adding Apple TV for a couple of months. The game footage is just beautifully produced here, every play is in slow motion. Johnathan Kraft's description of the Patriots locker room in Arizona was tough to watch. The Patriots may have been better off resting the starters down the stretch (not to mention that crazy ending to the Ravens game) but went for perfection instead.

[@michaellalli7693]

I thought it was suspicious the video taping the Rams walk through practice from February 2002 - surfaces in February 2008? Also Pioli was fantastic in describing the Mangini betrayal. Thats something Mangini will always regret.

[@donywahlberg]

People will focus on the "cheating" and claim any empathy to Bill is misplaced but the dude literally got sold out. He was approaching coaching like it was WW2 and he felt as if one of his "Allies" switched sides. He was right too.

[@jjgreen5206]

Pioli has the ethics of a car salesman.

[@Zuki-1866]

Watching this thing, Belichick reminds me of a 3 star general or military figure it's just dead inside. There's nothing inside. They talk about the giants lost, and every player goes into detail, gives emotion, and his answer is quick and short. Giants were better than us they deserved to win the same thing with spygate, just nothing a direct short answer.

[@mvaroudakis]

The key lime there that none of the Boston reporters touched on.... "That a lot of other people were probably doing". It wasn't just the Pats filming the other teams sidelines but that fails to get mentioned time and time again.

[@bobwalton4630]

Because Bill Belichick did it. If it had been Herm Edwards, Bill Cowher or another coach who was more friendly to the media it would have been a one day story. But Belichick was so rude to the media, and this was them getting revenge.

[@ericjdevops]

Twas tough to relive the Tyree catch

[@elmerrobinson7126]

Awesome

[@BondSask]

In the first Rams SB, when Belichick made the call to try and drive the field and win the game in regulation, how about the fact that Belichick asked Ernie Adams what to do, and then went with his advice. I thought these guys would be all over discussing that. Adams doesn't get near enough credit for the Pats success.

[@tehnoonusmani658]

This should of been 2 seasons 10 years each season.

[@titusprime5240]

We know all about it as Michigan football fans lol

[@jjgreen5206]

No one in that building, in particular Ernie Adams will admit anything. It’s going to take a whistleblower

[@ミフネユキオ]

Because I’m the only person watching this series who noticed: that for the soundtrack to 07 SB they chose the Dies Irae to Verdi’s Requiem. I have some issues with this series - excluding the non linear chronology which is actually appreciated - but they are vastly offset by the immaculate production value. The Kraft bias is heavy at the outset. A few things are overplayed or underplayed or misrepresented or passed over. Of course they are retreading a lot as necessary but the new footage, new quotes, new perspectives, greater candor (other than BB), deeper insights, … and the spectacular reenactments (Ernie snow game drive and the woman with the hammer) have been fun. It all feels like 50 years ago which is not actually far off. I still get worked up about EVERYTHING. It’s been an experience. Hard to believe 6 more to go. 07 was really the beginning of the 2nd third of the dynasty so the math is about right but the reality is the first 7 years were way more than 1/3 of the drama I would’ve condensed the back half and expanded the front end even more. But the direction so far is extremely intelligent so I’m sure it will feel quite balanced by the end. Just grateful it hasn’t been another generic sterile tribute homage. It’s respectful in the richest and most humanizing way possible.

[@becker1111111]

I actually came here to say the same thing

[@jasontibbetts9981]

The thing is early belichik would joke with the players, mess around, even be jovial with the media. The more they won, the more sullen he got, I imagine in the end 2018-2024 he was awful to play for.

[@chadbinette3201]

That 07 team had basically a entire defense and then some that won 3 superbowls and atleast the 04 Superbowl and then went through spygate and wanted to prove the NFL world it was the players and nothing else.

[@Hupernike45]

Every time an offensive lineman holds a defender, he cheated. Every time a DB holds or deliberately interferes with a receiver, he cheated. And, in the history of the NFL, how often have coaches stolen signals from an opponent? I'm not defending what the Pats did, but GET OFF YOUR HIGH HORSE!!! There have been many, many offenders of cheating in the NFL. The Pats at that time were just the bulls eye that everyone was aiming at. How many rules were changed because of the way the Pats played back then? 4, that I know of.

[@Hupernike45]

"Living long enough to become the villain". Are the Chiefs becoming the villains now, or as a Pats fan am I just hoping for that?

[@eac1235]

Who knows? They haven't been caught cheating yet. However the refs help them just like they did your team. I've been watching the NFL since the 70s and I used to think that no team would ever get help from officials the way Dall-ass did for years in the 70s. That was until I saw the league helping Brady and his team every time they were on the verge of losing, here came a questionable call at best or a blatant call ( Tuck Rule) to bale them out. Strangely enough the Bucs with Brady received more defensive pass interference calls( 28) and over 600 yards of penalties in their magical SB season. Really strange to the point ,that it's easy to see why more and more fans believe the NFL has pre determined outcomes or at least the games are being pushed in a certain direction.

[@Hupernike45]

My main point is that almost every time a yellow flag hits the ground, someone's been caught cheating.@@eac1235

[@richardtorres1324]

If yr not cheating yr not trying

[@robertholston4708]

I'm still not sure Belichick did anything wrong in the whole ordeal.

[@shanecadden5303]

Always funny Mangini rolls on Pats but no accountability for fact he never said anything when he was complicit in NE. And absurd nfl cared so much they never looked into other teams doing same.

[@jacksoncraddock7264]

They also gave Strahan WAYYYYYY too much tv time

[@Bondecieo]

Ya. He was realaxed allright. His good friend Tom got his rings

[@jeffleary1598]

Soft balls is cheating in the NFL… F em all

[@joegordon2915]

why do you guys keep saying "they cheated" all they did was film from the field instead of from the stands, which you are allowed to do. Goodell even said they gained no advantage doing this. he just fined them because he an asshole, just like deflategate.

[@sgoody334]

So stupid!!!?? People say it doesn’t matter who else is doing it but it absolutely does!!!! New rule!!!! Most teams probably still do it

[@andresalderete]

When they destroyed tapes, C'mon man, that is admission of guilt . When your right arm man (ernie adams) says that he is taking what he knows to his grave, that is second admission of guilt. C'mon man

[@chrish2112]

Listening to delusional, jealous fans of other teams hysterically screaming about imaginary asterisks in a feeble attempt to discredit the Patriots while simultaneously creating a built in excuse for why their team doesn't win has grown to become one of the greatest joys of my life.

[@andresalderete]

@@chrish2112 we won. 3 in 5 years

[@chrish2112]

@@andresalderete Right, but when Spygate happened you were mired in a decades long drought and you're obviously incapable of looking at the situation in anything that even remotely approaches objectivity. It's a fact that they didn't break any rules. Reality is right and your feelings are wrong.

[@Leeedy_1]

All facts 💯

[@Bondecieo]

Belichek gave those games to the giants. You know wy.

[@Bondecieo]

With another coach theres no way in hell they lose to the giants. NO WAY. that team was way to good.

[@davecarew1116]

You guys can gloss it over, but the legacy of The Most Overrated Coach in NFL History is that--aside from that--he's a cheater and a person of poor character. Jerod and his new staff SHINE by comparison.

[@chrish2112]

Listening to delusional, jealous fans of other teams hysterically screaming about imaginary asterisks in a feeble attempt to discredit the Patriots while simultaneously creating a built in excuse for why their team doesn't win has grown to become one of the greatest joys of my life.