Breaking down the final two episodes of The Dynasty | Exclusive conversation with Brian Hoyer

Phil Perry, Tom E. Curran and Michael Holley are back to discuss the final two episodes of Apple TV+ The Dynasty.
Exclusive Interview with Brian Hoyer
Tension over Alex Guerro relationship
Hit job on Bill Belichick?
Tom Brady's contract in the 2019 season
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[@toddbrady183]

I'm not just a PATS fan, I'm obsessed with them and love them, have done since 1982 when NFL first came to the UK, we've been spoilt for 20 years, now the hard work begins again, finding a franchise QB and that's rarer than rocking horse poo, Go Pats 👍🇺🇸🇬🇧 I'm flying the flag in England

[@AlanFisher]

We Pats fans should be proud. I’ve been a fan since I was living in Sharon in 1970 when driving by the then new Schaefer stadium with my mother driving.

[@chrish2112]

Two decades of memories that I'll cherish forever. What a run.

[@jacobhughes9010]

As a pats fan, who also coaches sports and I think what happened was bill lost sight of the number 1 rule: “It’s always about the players. Players win, coaches just have to try to not lose the game for them”

[@andresalderete]

You are right and that happens even in companies. Managers think you can exchange people like a spare part and is not. What surprises me in that Bill even up to the end never gave even one flower to Tom. He was asked direct questions about Tom and he always spoke in plural about the team. What a punk

[@MultipleMike-tl2ty]

@andresalderete There is an article out there where Bill praises Tom a lot. He talks about their film sessions and how he loved coaching him. It’s not the most ideal way of giving flowers, but he does praise Tom. I think the two of them do respect each other and now that their time in NE is over, they will have time to heal the rift. If Bill joins Fox on TV, it’d be interesting to hear him and Tom talk football. Two great minds with an unbreakable bond.

[@chrish2112]

​@@andresaldereteCalling Bill a punk is just ridiculous.

[@blankname6629]

You nailed it. It was always on bill. Something they did not mention but was every bit as pivotal are the draft classes belichek had down the stretch. His picks went from picking the best player available to picking guys that no one else had rated in those spots to try to make himself look like he knew more than everyone else.

[@edwardmccarthy7665]

I agree with your comment.

[@jacksmith8002]

It was the greatest journey in professional sports

[@stephanea5364]

Amendola was a savage in that doc. We worked for Bill but we played for Tom. Now Bill, let's go try to win with Johnny Foxboro and high schoooler down the street LOL (When Brady left)

[@gusserks5609]

Danny is a straight shooter. Respect

[@controlledsavage6627]

Bill allowed his pride to get in the way of the team and he forgot his cardinal rule that players win games and coaches lose them. The moment Brady won #5 Kraft should have said Brady what do you want? And got a contract done to finish his career in NE. He bet on Bill instead of Brady and payed the price for it! At the end, Brady’s legacy was elevated and Bill’s was damaged. Without Tom, Bill was nothing more than a 500 coach for an 10 year span and without Bill, Brady was champion again. This dynasty will never be duplicated and I’m glad I was alive to witness it! LFG!

[@MultipleMike-tl2ty]

You aren’t wrong, but I will add that the Tom that won SB55 was a Tom that developed through 20 years under the wing of Belichick. Without Bills lessons and coaching we might never see what Tom eventually became. Both men were reasons for each other’s success.

[@erikpuka2627]

​@@MultipleMike-tl2tynah. Brady was great himself. There is a reason no other Belichick QB ever had success. He isn't a goos coach

[@davis2k1234]

@@MultipleMike-tl2tyBrady took over the same team that was 5-13 with Bledsoe and lead them to a super bowl then lead the NFL in Pass TDs in 2002 he was the guy from 1st start and Belichick is defensive guy he doesn’t develop QBs just ask Mac Jones

[@MultipleMike-tl2ty]

@davis2k1234 Of course Brady was the guy from the start, but he had to develop into that guy as well. It doesn’t happen overnight. He learned from his teammates and his coaches. By the time he left NE he was already experienced (20 years worth) and while he always had the DNA to become the goat, he nurtured this development under Bills system. So Bill (and the other patriot players) DO have a major impact in who Brady became.

[@Clearwater124]

Ridiculous@@erikpuka2627

[@cavebilly32]

Brady comes out of these episodes really well - genuine, emotional, thankful for the success, and circumspect. BB comes out about how you'd expect - unapologetic, buttoned-up. Kraft comes out awfully, to me - C-list acting, revisionist, self-centred.

[@millabasset1710]

He took a photo with me and my daughter for a minute at Fantasy Camp 2019. Brady didn't have to, but he did and I can tell he cares about the fans more than Kraft does.

[@Karnakthemagnificent]

Have to differ with you. Having met Kraft, he was very approachable with my son and me. I find it strange that people here dismiss the idea that Kraft could have moved the team to CT and gotten government spiffs to do so. Instead he chose to build a new stadium in Foxboro, keep the team in Massachusetts, and fund it with his own money. Hardly the actions of a tight fisted owner. As for the salary, that was very much Belichick's domain. In every book I have read, Belichick was the decision maker, and in fairness Belichick did a very good job. Even now, Mayo will benefit from the cap space that Belichick left behind. What is evident from the documentary is that Kraft did intervene on Brady's behalf - as well he should have since Belichick was pushing him out the door. Kraft now thinks he should have acted differently in the end, but I did not sense that he absolved himself of the responsibility of not intervening at the end.

[@davis2k1234]

Kraft and Belichick are both irrelevant without Brady to carry that franchise for 20 years

[@Vestner262]

The director did that on purpose. This was a hit job on Belichick. The man loves football, he wanted to talk about football, he wanted to talk about those special games, those special players. If you talk about football with BB, he'll talk to you for hours, but all the director wanted to concentrate on was the negative. Devin McCourty and Rodney Harrison have both come out and said this documentary duped and fooled them. They weren't allowed to talk football or highly of coach Belichick. The director even told Rodney Harrison that he only wanted the "trash" stories about the Patriots. This documentary is a slap in the face to all of the former players, coaches and fans of the Patriots. It's a little revenge soap opera to appease Patriot haters who have had to endure a 20 year Dynasty.

[@elizabethgodfrey1033]

Brady didn’t carry the Patriots! The players carried it! Brady is just a Captain of it. It’s 53 players not just 1. The Defense carried his behind.

[@Mike-pb4ju]

It’s amazing to me that Bill’s greatest ability as a coach is to adapt his team/defense to each opponent, but he has a blind spot about the same approach being needed on a personal level. Young Tom, early in his career, needed to be coached differently than veteran Tom that became the best player to ever play the position, and Bill refused to adapt. It was all so avoidable.

[@Vestner262]

I respect BB highly. I don't believe how they portrayed him in this documentary one bit, however, I do believe BB made a grave mistake with Brady later in his career and doubted his ability to play past 40. Belichick wanted to move on from Brady and Brady wasn't willing to retire and wanted to continue to play. I think Bill didn't think Brady wanted what was best for the team anymore, and that was his mistake. Don't know why coach didn't see that. A rare L for coach Belichick. Brady should of retired a Patriot. Bill should of rode into the sunset with his QB.

[@cavebilly32]

To a cynic like me, it's the ABSENCE of any negative comment on Kraft that speaks volumes.

[@Karnakthemagnificent]

Perhaps because the people who were there, players and coaches both on the documentary, did not think he deserved being criticized.

[@MU_._]

6 rings and 1 handjob in 20 years legend

[@Titleist24]

@@Karnakthemagnificent I mean, it was a Kraft production. Heavily slanted towards him, Christ half of the doc was aimed to propel him into being as important as Brady or bill. Did we need Rupert Murdoch to tell us how great he is? He was responsible for choosing bill over Brady; did he want to talk about that at all?

[@Karnakthemagnificent]

@@Titleist24 it was not a Kraft project. That is the truthful fact.

[@Titleist24]

@@Karnakthemagnificent the book was and the documentary was, not hard

[@joshshoe5421]

I wish the doc highlighted the Bucs vs Pats game. I mean they played against each other and if wasn’t mentioned

[@70elcamino.]

After tom left the writer of book left to write his book

[@PaulTaylor-z8p]

They couldn't. Mac looked too good in that game. It would have made it harder to put the bus in drive that they were at the time stuffing Mac under...

[@508boiii]

No matter how it started , continued or ended us as #PATSFANS should be ABSOULUTELY PROUD of our team & ALLLLL tha AWESOME memories tht'll forever be engrained in our heads... These last 2 eps were POWERFUL man , like tha tears was jus flowing lol!¡! As a #MASSACHUSETTSAN , I'm FOREVER grateful too have witnessed 1 of IF not thee GREATEST run in sports history!.!.!

[@chrish2112]

Memories I'll cherish for the rest of my life and share with my children. What a run.

[@Karnakthemagnificent]

The last five minutes with the Rolling Stones playing was like a master class in leadership and teamwork. The words of McGinest and Brady describing the journey to greatness, what it took to get there, and how it was always about the team. Was one of the best things I ever saw.

[@dylanb_2011]

Malcolm Butler was actually benched because he had a shouting match with the Defensive Coordinator, Matt Patricia, at a practice session prior to the Super Bowl.

[@jackbauer4186]

So that means you can't play the entire SB?

[@Karnakthemagnificent]

That was the rumor, but not one person on the documentary. Players and coaches who were there, confirmed that story. Universally they threw up their hands and said they had no idea. The only person who knows for sure is Belichick and he does not think that he owes anyone an explanation. A reasoning that created a ton of friction on the team who thought that their self professed team first coach owed it to the team to explain why.

[@devonwhite2443]

@@Karnakthemagnificent i remember at the time there was srerious speculation that belicheck threw the superbowl on purpose to tarnish Brady's legacy. Considering that the pats didn't win it all in any of Brady's 3 MVP years, might be evidence for it.

[@Karnakthemagnificent]

@@devonwhite2443 I don't know if Belichick is that petty, but the fact that he refuses to explain himself years later is a very bad look and he really does owe it to the players to explain why he may have cost them a SB.

[@steveaustin4424]

@@cag19549 what was told me to from a girl who has a family member that works in krafts office is that , Malcolm hooked up with Stephen belichick wife, Stephen found out had a convo with bill during pre game and was caught walking with him, when he probably made the decision, by Kraft saying it was a personal issue…… that might be it!

[@alexanderb4165]

Twammy 4 evaa!! ♾️ 🐐💯

[@chadbinette3201]

Belichick got extra perks over the years. It was said after the 3rd Superbowl bill had total control of the football team, drafting, free agents, contracts , picking the waterboys and on. Bill couldn't let go of his ego for one moment to realize he had a front row seat to the ultimate QB. Not asking for top dollar like other NFL QBs , the ultimate leader and team first QB . Wish we could get truth serum for bill and ask him "after having Mac Jones and cam Newton would you go back and give tom that 2yr extension"

[@davidg3944]

"Truth serum" wouldn't work in this case, as BB doubtless believes to his core that he "did what's best for the team". He didn't, of course, as his ego and eccentricities took over from sound coaching and GMing.

[@jeffreykinney635]

No control of the money.

[@chadbinette3201]

@@jeffreykinney635 who Belichick? You think it was Kraft or Belichick that didn't want to give Brady 2yrs $50mill? You think it was Kraft or Belichick who asked players to restructure their deals? Their deals that Belichick gave them. Belichick did every contract and picked every coach. No one besides Belichick would of brought in Matt Patricia and Joe judge to coach the offense. I'm sure ownership at time would ask bill to do things a certain way or cut money, but how it was done was all up to bill. Funny defensive players like Steph Gilmore got paid top dollar , think that's a coincidence? Nah

[@elizabethgodfrey1033]

@chadbinnette4201 You didn’t have Cam Newton no 3 yrs. You had Mac Jones. Mac Jones Sh**ted all over the Patriots. He burned down the house before he left. Kraft deserved it because he tricked Cam within 24 hours after Belichick gave Cam the Starter job. Now , he got another Black Coach, Jerod Mayo to cover his trick to Bill B. Kraft pushed Cam before the gun after Brady left. When Cam helped to rebuild with no weapons. He tricked new 170 M of the new 1s away & gave them to Mac Jones. Mac got Bill, Patricia, O'Brien, all fired. Cam left honorable! Mac Jones didn’t leave honorable. Mac lost the locker room. He cussed out coaches. He didn’t get alone with Zappe. Old Kraft needed it. Because he did Bill dirty, too! Kraft did Bill dirty & Tricked & foiled Cam. Don’t compare Cam to how Mac showed his a**! Mac also got fined 3Xs playing dirty! He is 2-9 in 2023!

[@elizabethgodfrey1033]

* fooled Cam!

[@werocktheplanet]

Kraft looks AWFUL in all this. And now NO money being spent on FA...Seems he's not the guy we all thought he was?

[@robertcosta6967]

The Krafts are reshaping history to their liking. Robert after all is the one who ultimately let go of both Tom and Bill....

[@robertcosta6967]

​​​@@cag19549 What are you talking about? Kraft could've stepped in and told Bill Tom stays and that's final. Tom is the exception to the rule. Bill would've stayed at that point because if he quits he loses the lucrative contract, some estimate at 20 mil per season. The doc came out one month after Bill was let go. It's licensed as Kraft Dynasty LLC. So, I'm sure they were editing Kraft's image and narrative right up to the final cut deadline and release. Kraft did 3 great things : 1) he bought the team 2) he hired Bill and 3) most importantly.... He got out of the way! You get a different feeling watching the doc, hence my opinion on 'reshaping' history....

[@aliceflanagan3672]

Tom wanted to go

[@timdepault133]

1- this was unfortunate. Bill deserved better. He picked Tom, identified his talent, stuck with him. He deserves credit. 2- Bill built how many different championship defenses? 8? I mean…. That’s not an accident. 3- could he have done better with Tom? Sure. This whole thing was presented a certain way to highlight that. But did Tom benefit? Ask him. He’ll answer it- in fact he did. 3- is it at all possible that whatever Butler did- Bill is doing him a favor by keeping his mouth shut. Have you heard Bill bad mouth any player? Hell- HERNANDEZ KILLED PEOPLE and Bill won’t say a bad thing about him. 4- was Bill tough on Tom? Sure- but I’m not sure the best way for Tom to get respect is to have Tom’s wife to go to Bill’s boss and demand her husband gets respect. Seriously. 5- Why can’t we just say thank you to all of them without taking anything away from any of them?

[@jasontwills12]

Andy Reid will go down as the best coach in history mostly because he wasn’t a raging prick

[@jackbauer4186]

Johnny Foxborough could have told you letting TOM Brady go was a stupid love.

[@Toobzilla]

stupid move? obviously. but what do you do when there are 2 kings on this team but only one seat at the throne?

[@tharrigan5661]

2 years, $50 million contract and Tom Brady would have stayed. Kirk Cousins just got a significantly better contract than that. Kirk Cousins has won 1 playoff game in his illustrious career, ONE playoff game. I’ll never understand the decision to let Tom walk.

[@TheChubbyd07]

@@cag19549the problem was they never gave him a serious contract offer.

[@TylerP717]

Krafts scapegoating Bill and setting the narrative with this documentary.

[@JoeyAgzBDA]

Malcolm was the best defensive player on that roster that season. 1,000% Bill punted on a Lombardi.

[@eggynyce]

If Bill gets all the Blame he should get also all the credit

[@brendanmoreira8037]

Now that the series is over, I’ll say I thought it started really really well, but overall I thought it was terrible. Total hit piece on Bill and gave no credit as to why they kept winning and why people stayed. I thought the directors were very lazy and gave a skewed perspective, almost like they had an agenda.

[@FerGarza-q1p]

It was Bellichik’s EGO….he is mediocre without Brady as his record shows…

[@stephanea5364]

FACT! But... but... he won some DC rings riding PArcells coattail!!! some fanboys will say LOL

[@user-lj1ed6nd3r]

Bingo!!

[@patrickfoley6215]

​@@stephanea5364and Parcells built the defense that won the first 3 superbowls in New england

[@tedclubbalang778]

@@patrickfoley6215 really? i had no idea that richard seymour, mike vrabel, asante samuel, rodney harrison and vince wilfork were all parcells doing.

[@georgeedgeworth1429]

Bellichick has coached every year since like 1975, so I think like what can you expect?

[@millabasset1710]

Kraft ruined it all. I'm not a fan of decisions made by Bill in the past 6 years, but this documentary was a clear hit piece on him and it's no wonder he hated it. Tom Brady gets a pass because he's the GOAT and should be free from most criticism, he is the one actually playing on the field after all. Now the Chiefs are going to three-peat and Kraft will join the loser club with his buddy Jerry Jones; thanks Robert!

[@Toobzilla]

bill gets the bad look because after all, he is the singular antagonist in this docuseries..

[@Toobzilla]

im not surprised about the tommy stats as brought to the surface by BB. his athleticism was never the key ingredient in his success. combine stats?.. anybody? remember those? TB's success came from his fortitude & will to win. his work & discipline ethic & his ability to elevate his teammates ability around him & his preparation. he never threw the longest, hardest, ran quickest, run game?... what i do find surprising is BB trying to sell these stats in his quest to deflate TB. he more than anybody knew these traits in TB & how little they mattered in his success. he knows RK was aware of the global strengths of TB. its pretty telling actually. his disdain for TB & his desire to off him was stronger than i thought. it also negates his desire to put the team first.. it also proves his ego was much more sensitive & in disrepair than i thought & prob took a hit everytime TB did some "parting of the seas"... very interesting... im seeing Bill in a different light than the one im used to..

[@eduardoanayatfschannel8498]

Man in the Arena was so much better than this one

[@ultimatepats1211]

We were all blinded by bill…. But Kraft deserves the blame equally

[@Vestner262]

WTF are you talking about? Blinded by Bill? Blame for what? Winning Six Super Bowls in less then 20 years? 9 AFC championships. 16 Division Championships. This documentary was complete and utter trash. Instead of celebrating 20 years of Domination in the NFL, it concentrated on the media's portrayal of the Patriots. It threw one of the best coaches of all time under the bus, despite that every player that played for Bill had nothing but praise about him. Even Tom Brady, to this day, says he owes his success to Coach Belichick. This documentary was edited by a bunch of salty Patriot haters to make the whole dynasty look like they cheated and plotted every win. It was disgusting to watch. They even found a way to blame Trump for the downfall of the Patriots, despite them winning again in 2018. This wasn't about football, this was some soap opera, 10 episode drama that focused on everything except Football. It focused solely on the drama. I'm sure there was lots of drama and head butting behind the scenes, but sadly, that's all this documentary concentrated on for the most part. I barely made it through the last two episodes.

[@Titleist24]

@@Vestner262be mad that the mediocre coach had a massively inflated ego because of the quarterback. Those who blame the media are idiots. You thought Wickersham and them were making up all of the drama and issues, turns out that was 100% accurate. Cry more

[@erikpuka2627]

​@@Vestner262considering the QB he had - should have won at least 12

[@millabasset1710]

@@Vestner262 The Trump scenes ruined it me.

[@Vestner262]

@@Titleist24Jokes on you. Players are now coming out and saying that they were fooled and duped by the director and the editors of this documentary. Devin McCourty even said he wasn't allowed to speak highly of coach Belichick and they only wanted to hear bad things about Belichick. Rodney Harrison, who sat down for over 6 hours with the interviewers and directors said he was completely left out because he spoke too highly of the coach and the success of the Patriots and they directed him to trash the Patriots and Belichick. Those who believe the media and this documentary are the real fools. They purposely overinflate the drama so salty little Patriot haters like you will fawn and drool over the drama cause you've had to live through 20 years of total Patriots domination lead by the greatest coach and QB to ever play in the NFL. Devin McCourty - "He gave me an opportunity, a fifth-round draft choice. He gave Tom Brady an opportunity. He sent out a 100-million-dollar quarterback when no one thought it was popular and started Tom Brady. … He gives guys who are the underdog an opportunity. No one talks about that. … And I just don’t think that he got enough credit, enough respect, enough props, man. This dude is the greatest coach of all time.”

[@jumpforjoy6]

Hit piece on Bill. Kraft is a bitter, ungrateful man. Im glad so many players have come out against it and defended Bill. Its sad that Tom did this

[@feliciashepard8578]

Hit piece on Bill. Trash. Tom and Bill had egos get in the way. Tom can't have his boyfriend, and Bill could have let up a bit on Tom.

[@craigjames2604]

Malcolm hit on Linda Holloway at the pregame breakfast. She told bill and he never told Malcolm why he wasn’t playing

[@Toobzilla]

now we're getting somewhere. i remember a published story, within days of the event, about Butler, a late night tryst (waaaay after curfew) & the daughter of Bellichicks partner (holloway, i would presume). i remember it vividly but it disappeared as quick as it appeared &.now it seems unexplainable?.. 😊

[@cbaker8887]

Alex is a weirdo and maybe a criminal. Look at his history. It worked for Tom though.

[@johnvegas9059]

It’s really funny to me that people can’t just accept that things end and it’s not always sunshine and rainbows. They were great for 20 years . What else do people want ?

[@dougmiyamoto3109]

Was shocked at how little focus was on Gronk, the 2nd greatest Patriot of all-time. Is Kraft pissed at him? The second half of the dynasty doesn't happen without him.

[@Karnakthemagnificent]

What is this nonsense about Kraft? This was an Apple program, a Ron Howard production directed by Hamachek in cooperation with Benedict and they stated clearly in response to comments like yours that Kraft had no editorial control of the documentary. As for Gronk. This story was about the 3 people who were there for the entire 20 year dynasty. It was about the dynamic of how they made it work and how it came apart at the end.

[@dougmiyamoto3109]

If it's about the 3 main players, why so much time on Hernandez then?@@Karnakthemagnificent

[@Karnakthemagnificent]

@@dougmiyamoto3109The title of that episode was "at all costs". It spoke to how the team was taking risks to keep winning and how that risk led to Hernandez being drafted. It contrasted how each of the three main protagonists and members of the team dealt with Hernandez. Kraft in his fatherly way, Belichick as the driven coach believing that his system would keep Hernandez on the right path, and Brady who was often left to be the disciplinarian. In the end Kraft found that Hernandez fooled him and Belichick's system could not keep him from his worst inclinations. Frankly Hernandez was a sociopath, there were red flags everywhere, but he was also a very good football player and the Patriots took a chance with him because they were looking to get back to the SB and win. In the end there was too much false pride in what the Patriot Way could manage, they were ill equipped to deal with someone as dangerously flawed as Hernandez.

[@elizabethgodfrey1033]

Brady, Gronk, James White, Julian Edelman, McCourtys, Amendola, Rodney Harrison, etc were all top players & important. Brady isn’t the only top player. He had great teams all his life. He got too much credit. James White got robbed as a MVP in a Super Bowl.

[@Karnakthemagnificent]

@@elizabethgodfrey1033 Actually Brady had some pretty average teams over the 20 years and still had winning seasons. Reche Cadwell as your #1 receiver? Get real. As for James White in SB51, he had about the same rushing yards as Dion Lewis (29). The one matchup that was working for them was the pass catching RB against the LB with Gronk out and Bennett gimpy. So Brady targeted White 16 times who to his credit caught 14 of them. Overall Brady had 43 completions and 466 yards passing in that game. The final drive of the 4th quarter was epic. Brady had to go 91 yards to tie the game with Grady Jarrett living in the backfield and sitting on his chest every other play. There is no way you would give the MVP to White after that, it should have been Brady and it was.

[@shanecadden5303]

Bill could have responded in piece and choose candor and he didn’t.

[@Clearwater124]

Pats fan since '65. Great 20 years, BUT, this is a typical slanted version of events to fit someone's bias. Great owner, but I don't think this production does him any favors, he does a lot of Bill bashing for a guy that won him 6 Superbowls.

[@bobg1069]

Belichick comes out badly in this series, but he comes off badly in all video's and appreciations. My own view is that Belichick is over rated and without TB12 he would be no more than an average coach. He is arrogant, grumpy and vindictive and with limited personal skills. It surprises me not at all that no other team wants him. Compared to Andy Reid, he pails into insignificance.

[@Toobzilla]

am i the only one who sees Brady going to RK to overturn Bill's law regarding guerrero, his all-access etc as the Singular Event that damaged the relationship between BB, TB, & RK?.. it mustve put Bill in a position of not-so-much control over the team. his stature with the organisation mustve been usurped & most importantly, all that Bill was trying to strip from Tom was handed to him on a silver platter by RK.. Bill had to be incensed.

[@Karnakthemagnificent]

Overall this crew (Holly, Perry, Curran) has been the best when it comes to covering this documentary, but I differ about their take on Kraft. Yes Kraft did intervene at times over that 2 decade span, but it was really in the final couple of years when Brady and Belichick were barely talking. Prior to that, after the dynasty was established from the first 3 Super Bowls, Belichick was given tremendous authority over all aspects of team operations. As for his portrayal in the Dynasty series, Belichick was his own worst enemy during the interviews, he was taciturn if not outright hostile and dismissive - it was a bad look. If not for the comments by long time players it might be possible to say that the director slanted this story, but it only reinforced the worst notions of who Belichick had become (Belichick was a much more approachable person at the start of the series, it was fascinating to see the transition of both Brady and Belichick over the 20 years). From the perspective of the documentary, he seemed to have changed after Spy Gate, he was much more reserved. Towards the end Belichick was flirting with nepotism, hiring his sons and friends to staff the team. I think that somewhere during that time, the notion of the "Team" had morphed into an extension of Belichick himself, as if the two were one and the same and it led him to act as if they were - the benching of Butler for what now appears to be personal reasons is an example of how that became manifest. When Belichick determined that Brady needed to be shunted aside. Not only did he put together metrics to prove to Kraft that Brady was declining (never mind that Brady had to throw to receivers like Kenbrell Thompkins and Aaron Dobson), he also commissioned a study about Brady's personality construct (not covered in the documentary). Not even winning in SB 49 & 51 convinced him that his assessment was wrong. That seemed to be his fatal flaw later in his life, the inability to see his own short comings and SB 52 brought his worst traits and his flawed judgement into crystal clear focus. SB 53 appears to have saved his job, but the cost of it was Brady leaving. Could Kraft had intervened once again? Yes he could have, and in listening to his comments, if he had to do it again, he would have - he owns that, but I did not get the impression that Kraft absolved himself of that blame. Such is the arc of their story, it became the Patriots dynasty, and it was magnificent.

[@printerfaace99992222]

As for his portrayal in the Dynasty series, Belichick was his own worst enemy during the interviews, he was taciturn if not outright hostile and dismissive - it was a bad look. YES YES YES

[@printerfaace99992222]

Belichick clearly hates speaking to the media and sharing anything below the surface. Some of that is to not tip any hands on strategy. I get that part but I don't think he really cares about the perception, but the perception I am sure by many is he doesn't do himself any favors by behaving that way. Even Parcells and other guys figured out to handle the media. A necessary evil for coaches? Perhaps. But it's part of their job no?

[@sgoody334]

With what Bill did combined with no Hightower and Edelman we gave a championship away. Second time we were the better team and lost

[@ld-wl3jz]

Lets sign Brady for qb1 this year and top it off with some Malcolm Butler. Lets get it done. PATS literally dont have a better option right now. We're back to Cam Newton days.

[@elizabethgodfrey1033]

What Cam Newton days? Explain.... Cam is 7-8 with the Patriots with almost no help. Mac Jones got 3 yrs. He ended 2-9! Mac got 3 top Coaches fired & lost the Locker room, got fined for dirty play, etc. Zappe & Mac Jones wasn’t speaking! 😳🙄😞

[@DM-mp6gq]

ABSOLUTELY! Bill cost us a Super Bowl! BB should have been fired after the game for that BS call!

[@jesusmontes4868]

Crazy how much curran hates bill.

[@elizabethgodfrey1033]

Tom Curran cut Cam Newton in his back &low rated Cam & accused him Of things he wasn’t responsible. Curran covered up Mac Jones’s BS & Sara Marshall did it too! Karen Guregian did Cam so dirty, too! She lied & lied & lied! 🤥🤥🤥

[@declandonahue592]

Tom e Curran such a goof ball

[@shanecadden5303]

Bill hit himself in series.

[@andresalderete]

Yes this docuseries makes bill look bad but the punk help in that not speaking

[@stephanea5364]

Bill's ego was so huge. Still a loser wihout Brady, that will be his legacy

[@JackCerro]

You don't even believe that.

[@stephanea5364]

Well it's a fact so yeah I believe it LOL@@JackCerro

[@DriveforFive07]

Someone doesn't know what a fact is.

[@multiplemike5021]

Bill had 2 SB rings before he even met Tom.

[@stephanea5364]

DC rings riding Parcell coattail, you're desperate. Check his records as an HC without Brady. FACT!@@multiplemike5021

[@davidlynchsseveredear6944]

It’s amazing how people are so easily swayed by media. All of you “football experts” act as if you could’ve won 6 super bowls with Tom Brady. Absolutely hilarious.

[@erikpuka2627]

If you knew how good Bradg actually was - you wouldn't be talking like this. Pats should have won the Superbowl every year

[@davidlynchsseveredear6944]

@@erikpuka2627 Brady* is the greatest to ever do it, but it’s a team sport bucko. Shows how absolutely small your ability to comprehend the game is.

[@erikpuka2627]

@@davidlynchsseveredear6944 nah. Brady is the best ever. Nobody was as good. Got to isolate the player from the surrounding.

[@davidlynchsseveredear6944]

@@erikpuka2627 I literally called him the goat. Have you ever watched football?

[@erikpuka2627]

@@davidlynchsseveredear6944 the Goat is a term most used due to accomplishments. Thats team oriented. I am talking Real Stuff. Brady makes Mahomes look like Derek carr. Far and away the best player the game has ever seen. Pats had far far far and away the best QB ever. Belichick should have won a ring every year with Brady as his QB

[@brokenfunnibones]

I liked the doc but everyone just said a bunch of nothing, esp BB. Kraft at least didnt no comment everything

[@richardtorres1324]

The book is biblical, gd read. Use the index 2 get where u wanna go.

[@alexevanoski4588]

Hit piece.. disrespectful hit piece for a coach who won you 6 super bowls and took you to 9. Just unreal. With friends like these who needs enemies?

[@gym_bob]

There was one interview with Belichek in which he answered the Malcolm question. In previous games with the eagles, Malcolm struggled and they showed video of that. So Bill played someone else who was closer in size to the receiver Malcolm would have had to cover. Could Malcolm have changed the game had he played? Maybe he could have or maybe they would have lost by a larger margin. We will never know...... It seems that everyone wants to villainize Bill for putting together the best team he could with what he had to work with, against a very good opponent.

[@PaulTaylor-z8p]

Is it me, or did it seem like Apple was trying to say 2018 was Trump's fault, and Tom may be closeted??? I REALLY did not like the 9th episode.

[@daveclark8337]

Trump did call the players 'Sons of bitches' and later told his supporters they should all be Boycotting the NFL. Even though 2 years prior, when Trump was campaigning at New England rally, he read Kraft's letter of support. Such a backstabbing move.

[@PaulTaylor-z8p]

@@daveclark8337Let's be honest though. That kneeling was the most unpopular thing to come from the NFL EVER. The only ones being back-stabbed were the men & women that protect the county so those whiny players could make piles of cash playing a child's game.

[@daveclark8337]

@@PaulTaylor-z8p Instead of building the Wall as Promised, that's what the President of US focused on instead: a few black guys kneeling for 2 minutes a week.

[@PaulTaylor-z8p]

@@daveclark8337Pretty disingenuous argument man. If they were white, people would STILL be pissed off. Building that wall was not going to happen if Congress and the Senate didn't get behind it.

[@chitalian22]

Terrible ending to a docuseries that was average at best. How does Edelman only have 10 seconds of time in the final two episodes?!

[@millabasset1710]

They cut Brady and Gronk talking about Aaron, which was incredibly stupid.

[@jacksoncraddock7264]

Kraft ruined it all tbh

[@johnnieyang1963]

From Rhode Island and a hard core Patriot fan but What belichick did to Brady. Belichick should be held accountable on how stupid of a GM he is. Hope belichick never coach again. Guy had a stupid EGO and destroyed the dynasty a little too early. 🗑️ trash

[@jaytor15]

This conversation is fkn stupid. Why would the Cowboys get rid of an All Pro QB in his prime?! No he's not Mahomes but nobody is. Surround him with a better team and he can win you a SB

[@shanecadden5303]

Kraft said the winning kept him all in.

[@ademirsegura6307]

Yet couldn’t find a soccer stadium for the revs Kraft also owns the Revolution

[@Karnakthemagnificent]

@@ademirsegura6307 Not sure what you mean there. Kraft needed to get permission to build the stadium on the Boston area waterfront. It is a prime location that has public transportation and be near the city. However it has been held up in negotiations with city government, but it looks ontrack to be approved this year.

[@noahjonmarshall5779]

this show was a disappointment. not much new info. no real insights in hernandez or butler.

[@tomascarlsson1856]

new englanders like blame game backstabbing, now mediocer crap

[@AccumulationNation1]

This doc is so bad...

[@NunyaSchabusiness]

I stopped watching. It was obviously a hit piece organized by Jonathan. Lost a lot of respect for players that did nothing but complain about winning championships. I don't care what the rest of you all say. Bill was the reason we had a 20 year run of dominance.

[@stephanea5364]

Bill was the reason we had a 20 year run of dominance. Ahahah Still blind. Man...

[@NunyaSchabusiness]

Bill built 2 separate dynasties. He has my respect. You think Tom Brady beats Peyton Manning every year with a lesser coach? Professional football is the only sport where coaching truly matters.

[@Titleist24]

@@NunyaSchabusinesshe conveniently couldn’t build anything without Brady. Just so happens that having Brady helps cover up all of your flaws as a coach and roster builder.

[@davis2k1234]

@@NunyaSchabusinessYou think Chiefs players gonna come out and trash ARied a actual true genius HC when they do Cheifs documentary?? No they won’t because he isn’t a ego maniac who puts himself over the team the Malcom Butler benching was a fireable offense to me and bill still won’t say why he did it

[@ryanc675]

Brady had success without Bill. Bills never had success without Brady. All the evidence you need is on the field.

[@jayhawkins9459]

Drama fest documentary

[@dayman5417]

Never realized how over sensitive slater and mccourty were when it came to trump. Nobody should be kneeling during the anthem AT ALL.

[@karamjitdedyal752]

I think Shelby Steele said it was a hussle for the NFL to pay more money to the players. And Roger Godell and the NFL came out saying we will pay more….basically saying we are not racist, please we are not racist oh for the love of everything we are not racist. It worked.

[@stephanea5364]

Are you white?

[@vgb1328]

@dayman5437...the point that was always missed kapernick asked an active marine what was the best way to protest the marine said they show reverence by kneeling. .no on had an issue even Jerry Jones kneeled until TRUMP THE DRAFT DOGGER WHO TOOK SO MANY BENEFITS FROM VETS THAT BIDEN HAD TO FIGHT TO GET BACK..I KNOW I AM A VET.. people listening to a racist that believe black people have their " place " in the US and that place has been overstepped....divide and conquer can't say man does not kniw how to divide

[@WrathMania32]

so they're not entitled to their political views, but the coach is. Way to prove the point.

[@PardeepBains10]

no one should be bowing down to a made up flag

[@steefc84]

This was suppose to be called a dynasty more like misery truly upsetting to see the team I love fall apart