The Earth Is Growing Conspiracy - DEBUNKED

[@miniminuteman773]

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[@A22y-REAL]

Yo, I’m gonna be the first reply

[@A22y-REAL]

Yaaaaas

[@A22y-REAL]

Thank you for replying to me. I just texted my mom about it lol

[@PsiNorm]

Not going to lie, I expected the merch to say, "It's so hard to visualize because it's so big".

[@ghintz2156]

​@@PsiNorm That's what I wanted, ngl

[@Rat_64]

Actor here. The Earth isn’t expanding because the continents on the Universal Pictures logo haven’t moved or drifted apart in over 100 years of logo redesigns.

[@el_perro2436]

Real

[@d1sasteroid]

LMAOO

[@rebeccarittenhouse2203]

😂😂😂😂

[@idon.t2156]

So funny. Now do 13 billion years

[@Zefar77]

DEAR GOD! He's onto something.

[@missplacebo175]

As a japanese studies graduate: There are maps where a snake/dragon is drawn around Japan. Therefore, Japan must have been small enough for a snake to wrap around it 600 years ago.

[@studio._.z]

🤣🤣🤣 this introduces so many rabbit holes with other imagry around the world

[@JustahighlymerryEDMguy]

Oh my god, America use to float in a “ginormous” shallow sea (according to some Native American tales, the earth, their land, was just floating on water. Search it up.)

[@phantomxi7631]

​@@JustahighlymerryEDMguyno shit our ancestors didn't have everything figured out yet, but I bet you're still dumber than them considering this is something that can happen within nature

[@pretzelbomb6105]

@@JustahighlymerryEDMguy Not familiar with the specific mythologies, but there is at least one place in North America where that happens: the Okefenokee Swamp. The name translates roughly to "land of trembling earth" thanks to the swamp being rich in peat, peat being more than rich enough to support plant life up to mature trees, and large masses of peat being more than buoyant enough to float whilst supporting said plant life.

[@JustahighlymerryEDMguy]

@@pretzelbomb6105 I didn’t know that. That’s cool. Mine is from a creation story, but that’s still cool

[@Tkmined]

Manufacturing engineer here. If the earth was expanding, companies that rely on long-distance transport for vairous raw materials would notice the additional pennies on their fuel costs, and make it my problem somehow.

[@strob5657]

🤣 late-stage capitalism being proof of tectonics, i love it

[@varunpandey8117]

DEBUNKED

[@ArandomPerson7996]

capitalism = scientific proof

[@Maladjester]

"and make it my problem" I'm dying ♥

[@cassandra5011]

As an accountant I was wondering how my feild would play in but now I see that I'd be the one making it your problem due to my balance sheets not balancing thanks to those pennies. We can all truly play a role here ❤

[@auggith]

Pilot here: In 1955, it would take 9-10 hours to fly from New York to Paris. In 2024, the same trip can be done in under 7 hours. This is not due to changes in the size of the earth. This is due to the advent of the jet engine.

[@Knightpiecerules]

OR, HEAR ME OUT! THE EARTH IS SHRINKING

[@ellymyths]

“Be nice to him he’s dead, Be nice to him he’s dead” Milo’s daily reminders as he scripts all of his videos

[@josiahcox7313]

It's just archeology 101, honestly.

[@Maladjester]

I'm not an archaeologist, so on behalf of those who feel they can't say it, I'll say it. Anyone who believes, "well my power went out for a couple hours yesterday and I was forced to do a little thinking for the first time in my life" trumps literal thousands of man-years of rigorous study and analysis by qualified professionals who bled from the eyeballs to get us where we are today, is an idiot. It is impossible to disrespect someone who has earned no respect. Death doesn't make people better.

[@ArtVaeirs]

I know, so many crazy people out there, he should totally debunk also that ridiculous conspiracy theory about the Epstein guy and how he supposedly worked with the CIA and gathered top scientists from around the world and had prostitutes sleep with them while secretly filming them in order to use it as blackmail, and then used those blackmailed scientists to do the CIA's bidding like put false scientific "information " out there done through flawed studies and corrupt researchers, or have them do whatever else nefarious thing they wished of them. I think he's gonna need to buy some extra big tinfoil hats for his future video if he chooses to tackle this ridiculous conspiracy

[@CAPSLOCKPUNDIT]

We are being nothing, if not respectful. Look at the massive accumulation of comments, and there's been no complaints from Neil so far.

[@Deathtrouper]

No way you say that 💀you are kinda right tho

[@devilslamp7306]

As a physics professor, I've got a few besides the ones you mentioned. 1. Where does the _energy_ come from to lift up that much rock against gravity, into its new height above the earth's center of gravity? That is an insane amount of potential energy. 2. Earth's gravity would be increasing exponentially as well.  a. This would possibly be happening faster than evolution could keep up with, say, the strength of tree branches or leg bones.  b. The increased gravity pulling on the moon would decrease the radius of the moon's orbit and increase its orbital speed. This would be easily detectable in the span of human history.  c. The asteroids that live in earth's Lagrange points wouldn't be there at all, because those points would not have been stable. 3. As the radius of the earth increases, so would its moment of inertia. Just like an ice skater spinning fast then throwing her arms out to slow her spin, the earth's angular momentum would stay the same, with a bigger radius, so it would slow down its rotational speed. Dinosaurs would have experienced days only a few seconds long.  a. If this isn't happening, then what is applying an enormous amount of torque to earth? 4. Satellites in orbit would be affected both because of earths increasing gravity, but also because the earth is rising beneath their orbits - their altitude is decreasing just because the ground is rising to meet them. Anyone tracking satellites would have noticed it.  a. Geostationary satellites would be impossible because of this. 5. Didn't he say all the rules would have to apply to Mars too? So why isn't Mars growing? And why doesn't it have oceans that fill in as it grows? 6. If the planet's growth is exponential, then why haven't planets from other, much older solar systems, completely consumed the universe? He mocked the idea that the earth is unique, so he has to concede all these other planets should do the same type of growth.  a. What is the cutoff for how large a body has to be before it's considered a "planet" and experiences exponential growth? Why do small asteroids exist today? Is Ceres too small to have had growth? Does the sun grow too? 7. As the earth gets flatter, more distant cities and landmarks should become visible as they rise above the horizon. This would have been a noticeable effect across recorded history, and yet it is never mentioned in any historical source.

[@hayswan14]

Yeah, casually dropping that he thinks it's growing *exponentially* was what I would most like to hear someone explain.

[@Wizalot]

For point 5, don't most observable objects in the universe shrink over eons? Like any 2 objects with mass are drawn to their center of mass, right? So, the earth would have to be gravitationally unique for it to expand.

[@kkrg413]

wait, about the gravity, wouldn't it be opposite, and with rising radius, but same mass, gravity on the surface would be lower? maybe I missremembering something, but neutron stars, while having mass on pair or even less than sun, have tremendous gravitational pull?

[@egeirmakgulseven8945]

​@@kkrg413 the theory say that matter created from nothing. Which as Milo said contradicts thermodynamics. So Mass does increase in this theory to make it grow.

[@brianhurd3355]

@@kkrg413 Yeah Neil said gravity is increasing due to the mass of Earth increasing, but never described how planetary mass could just spontaneously increase.

[@Kontr4]

I want to see a flat earther debunk this. I just want to see a debate between an Expanding Earther and Flat Earther

[@laraleveuvre886]

Let this man cooooook! God I would PAY to see this!

[@valentinmitterbauer4196]

Expanding Earther, Flat Earther, Hollow Earther and Hollow-but-we-live-on-the-inner-face-Earther battle royale.

[@DiZoSoMom]

Hell, somewhere i would bet there’s a “flat, expanding earther”. I once met a “jew for jesus”, so at this point, nothing is impossible.

[@darks_gene707]

Yes

[@johannsanchocuevas7854]

@@valentinmitterbauer4196 The battle of the R-tards.

[@23itfollowsme23]

When I was in middle school, I noticed that it looked like the continents fit together. When I pointed this out to my teacher, she told me that they did once fit together, but that God reached down and separated them. (I was at a Baptist school). I’m no longer religious - that’s a different story - but watching your video, looking back on that memory…It makes me mad that I was lied to, when the teacher could have acknowledged something so well-known as plate tectonics. Thank you for what you do, Milo. I’m sure there are lots of little humans that have questions like I did, and I hope they get the truth from people like you.

[@RD-zx6py]

She's literally momma from The Water Boy.

[@anonymouscausewhynot]

Your teacher was beyond a doubt an… interesting individual, huh?

[@jasonjd84]

As bad as that is, at least she knew the Earth wasn't expanding.

[@markschiller5596]

I propose an alternate theory: the earth is shrinking. It took Ferdinand Magellan three years to circumnavigate the globe (1519-1522), but Michel Dupont and Claude Hetru did it in under 32 hours in 1995. Therefore, I conclude that the world is over 800 times smaller today than it was 500 years ago.

[@teathesilkwing7616]

I can confirm this. When I was younger, everything else seemed a lot larger than now

[@cyrus2395]

Sounds perfect

[@SuperDestroyerFox]

Huh, I never thought of it that way

[@freddylisy10]

Don’t tell mainstream archeology or the Smithsonian is going to come for you.

[@kylerocco7467]

Can't some super sonic planes go around the earth in a few hours like single digit numbers

[@heidibarker9550]

Classics student here. I felt a visceral reaction to the sentence, "as you go back into history, the clearer things become." my brother in christ, we are debating the existence of named individuals due to lack of evidence.

[@o.mcneely4424]

I’m a reenactor and former archaeologist, and I audibly CACKLED when he said that. If I shared this with my timeline history group, you’d hear the guffaws from leagues away.

[@jefferymosdell2490]

The fact that there legitimate arguments about individuals from the 18th century, a relatively recent period of history in the broader terms of the Earth, should be enough of an example to how exponentially difficult past history is to record accurately. We're lucky that we know as much as we do!

[@thod-thod]

Dude we’re not sure about entire civilisations

[@amentrison2794]

​@thod-thod Ooh, that sounds interesting! Which ones?/gen

[@ifly6]

@@amentrison2794 Homer, Romulus, and Lycurgus are easy examples of legendary figures that most scholars don't believe existed but are named in various sources. Romulus and Lycurgus even have whole biographies in Plutarch. Basically nobody thinks Romulus existed, except like Andrea Carandini. The guy says he found a big wall in eighth century Rome; that doesn't mean Romulus existed. Oh, and most controversially, the incessant "debate" over whether Jesus really existed - that one especially is a doozy.

[@drZer0]

As a historian, my first question was 'How do you account for Eratosthene's calculations of the circumference of the earth not being significantly wrong even though 2000+ years have passed'. Not to mention how an expanding earth would almost certainly destroy almost all ruins and archeological sites as their foundations were torn apart

[@DaddyWarlocks]

I truly thought that's where this video was gonna start.

[@hexagonPie]

Exactly what I was thinking, how on this green (not expanding) globe did the great wall china, which was built literally hundreds of years ago NOT get pulled apart or collapse? There would have been obvious gaps if the earth was in fact expanding.

[@Mr.Volcanoes22]

To be fair, he believed this process took place over geologic time scales. Time scales ironically determined by people that eventually, after mountains of evidence, no pun intended, came to the conclusion that plate tectonics is fact.

[@Solo-Anarchist]

What Eratosthenes proved depends on your interpretation of the data. It could be evidence of a round earth with a sun millions of miles away, or it could be evidence of a flat earth with a sun thousands of miles away. His experiment would show the same results in both scenarios.

[@ondrotuska1490]

i mean he did say the land stayed the same and only the oceans were added in the gaps... so structures would not get torn appart. unless they were build in the mounains witch are supposed to be folds in the land.

[@demon22353]

late to the party but i gotta say, the fact alone that this dudes entire hypothesis can be summed up with "na its expanding. Thats why everything is how it is." and every defense is basically "Na, just the earth growing. Thats all it is trust me." is wild.

[@KingofAesir]

An artist here, if this theory were true, we wouldn't have any of the marble ancient Greeks and Romans, etc., used for their iconic sculptural works. Marble is formed when limestone or dolomite is heated to extreme temperatures and pressure at, you guessed it, tectonic plate boundaries.

[@marcpaulus6291]

This is a shadow gouvernment lie!

[@bryanwendland235]

lmfao that's just what the googledebunkers want you to think. Marble is OBVIOUSLY created when and because THE EARTH IS GROWING

[@TypicGal]

​@bryanwendland235 I cant tell if your being sarcastic or stupid

[@TypicGal]

And if you are being stupid why watch the "Googledebunkers" (one word may I add even though there should obviously be a space there) video's

[@TibetTibet-fi1jh]

Man would these googledebunkers stop lying about this stuff EARTH İS GROWİNG

[@abuBrachiosaurus]

Train nerd here, I think I'm on Neil's side, Amtrak trains take hours longer than they did in the 1950s, meaning the distance between destinations must have increased significantly. (This is a joke making fun of Amtrak)

[@sesch629]

I'll send this to my train nerd friend

[@bmanning4999]

I think that has more to do with the expansion of freight train length than the expansion of earth

[@abuBrachiosaurus]

@@bmanning4999 PSR moment

[@francesconicoletti2547]

The United States may be expanding then but Japan, France, China, Germany and Italy are shrinking.

[@REEbott86]

Trust a train nerd to take this opportunity

[@thedenseone6443]

University janitor here: I don't really got anything specific to my career to say, but if the earth was growing, wouldn't city infrastructure get SUPER fucked up? Like, sewer systems being steadily torn apart, building foundations coming to pieces, etc.? Also, if it somehow *were* true that the earth was growing, what purpose would it serve to try and hide that? It's like the flat earth theory, world governments would realistically have zero reason to hide that other than just for the sake of it

[@manhattan3601]

as a civil drafter, city infrastructure 100% would just break apart pipes aren't built to be pulled, they're built to be pushed, then with roads, they're actually rather fragile to the point you could pull it apart with your hands so roads would break within a month

[@MarkZawadzki]

​@@manhattan3601that explains the potholes and cracks in my city's streets! Eureka!

[@jjcymbolic]

Yeah, what's more, that would mean all ancient societies would show this breakage/separation to some degree.

[@idon.t2156]

1) lying professor saying he's a janitor 2) supporting this goof because he's confident 3) lacking research

[@thedenseone6443]

@@idon.t2156 🎣

[@NE0N0W0]

Game designer here - If the earth was growing that would be a highly inefficient use of resources on such an expansive open world, surely the easier solution would just be to shrink the player model to get the same effect.

[@rmyikzelf5604]

Wait! People are shrinking?! Explains EVERYTHING! Mind. Blown.😂

[@Plague_Commander]

Honest to god that Metal Gear Rising meme is god tier. “How about you back it up with a source.” “my source is that I made it THE FUCK UP.”

[@starmaker75]

That sums up this series and other debunking conspiracy series on KZbin.

[@cookiecraze1310]

Max0r's professional brainrot at work.

[@carrotking123]

It's fantastic.

[@nihilism1652]

Was looking for this comment!!!

[@bass-dc9175]

Source for the meme is Max0r's video on Metal Gear Rising. Mind you, that is the same guy who got a professional voice actor to record voicelines for a character he allready voiced saying (and I quote): "I DO NOT HAVE DADDY ISSUES! I AM PAPA'S SPECIAL ___CKING BOY!" [From his Ultrakill video]

[@StarField369]

Computing student here: the earth is not expanding because the underwater cables that make up the internet have not been stretched, but still cover the distance between continents.

[@dieSpinnt]

The Russian gas pipeline that provided gas for Germany suddenly exploded without any reason[1] that mankind knows. Gotcha! [1] I am not mentioning the start of the Ukrainian/Russian war, when this "accident" occurred. There is clearly no correlation! Oh and please excuse that kind of dark German humor and that most of us are supporting the guys who possibly committed that terror act (or cry for help ... if you look from another angle, hehehe), which actually was an eye-opener. But that is just baseless chatter and conspiracy theories, because clearly the "burping earth" destroyed that pipeline. Oh and btw. didn't you know that the fishnet stockings of us ladies get recycled into cable insulation material for submarine cables? Believe me! They are very stretchy ... Hihihihi:)

[@TheRatsintheWalls]

To be fair, those cables were put down with quite a bit of slack.

[@affaansyed]

@@TheRatsintheWallsagain like he said they haven’t been stretched

[@TheRatsintheWalls]

@@affaansyed yet ;)

[@yumi-zc9bb]

Computer science student here. Actually we know the Earth is not expanding because the devs patched that years ago.

[@denvvver2]

Professional office worker who spins in his chair all day here; If the earth was expanding, just like when you stick your legs out while spinning, wouldn't it slow down by like, a lot? Like enough that the change in lengths of days would be dramatic enough to impact all sorts of fields of study when they look at the past?

[@sjm9876]

I absolutely love this comment. You are awesome

[@OhhCrapGuy]

So, obviously the planet isn't expanding, but interestingly the Earth's spin has actually slowed down slowly over the last 4 billion years. It's entirely explained by tidal dragging by the Moon, though. Also, keeping it spinning at the same speed while adding volume and mass would require adding a lot of energy, but nowhere near as much massenergy as the extra mass.

[@KatSpicert]

That's an absolutely incredible deduction, wtf!? Yeah it 100% would, and like one of the comments mentioned, is slowing down due to other factors that doesn't involve the inflation of Earth. But I bet he'd still use this information just to apply it to his "theory".

[@icarusbinns3156]

@@OhhCrapGuy ah, but the rotation HAS sped up. By a fraction of a second, but still. Remember that MASSIVE Japanese earthquake that killed the Fukushima power plant? That quake shoved all of the main islands of Japan west by nearly 2 meters. And the 10m seawalls to lessen tsunami damage were not as effective because the nation dropped by 8 feet. (Somewhere between 2-3 meters. The caption I found didn’t convert the measurement, weirdly). And… sped up Earth’s rotation. I just… find this really, really stinking neat. Both my parents are geologists, so rock stuff gets my attention

[@isabellawalters3151]

GOOD ONE

[@deadliersheep7697]

Space nerd here. Technically, the earth did expand when another planet and thousands of asteroids crashed into the earth, increasing the size. the part of the planet that didn’t crash into us later became the moon.

[@What-thaW]

man inflation even affecting the earth now huh

[@TH3.ACTUAL.LUC1F3R_M0RN1NGSTAR]

Lol yeah

[@AKrKs2106]

Top comment 😂

[@amycatass]

I’m so big and round ohhh don’t pop me uuuuhhhnnnhhh

[@No-mq5lw]

There's a rule about this. Look up "earth inflation rule 34" for more information.

[@ShowerWithSocks]

​​@@amycatass Oh Yeah! Earth sama! You so big UwU

[@Tabbyclaw]

Musician here: In 1988, the Proclaimers walked a thousand miles to fall down at your door. Fourteen years later, Vanessa Carlton *also* walked a thousand miles so she could just see you tonight. If the earth were expanding, she would have had to cover more distance.

[@Handles_are_garbage]

This supports his theory though. Vanessa Carlton could just see you after the 1000 miles, where the proclaimers were about to fall down at the door.

[@emhoj97]

That would depend on how far Vanessa Carlton needed to go to have you in visual distance. If in 1988 a thousand miles was exactly the distance to be within door distance, and 14 years later the same thousand miles would only bring you into visual distance then the earth might indeed have expanded. Now if we bring in binoculars or telescopes into the picture then the expanded distance might be even greater. Or maybe you just moved away a bit to escape the Proclaimers and so Vanessa had a greater distance to travel. Or she started from a further distance away and had a limited travel budget 🤔

[@mightyocelot]

Comedic gold

[@jed4131]

Got ‘em!

[@Plethorality]

Australian lyricist, here. Kilometres is a hard ask.

[@edwinm6735]

Actually, the Earth is shrinking. Back in the day, my grandfather walked 15 miles to school uphill (both ways). I live in the same house, go to the same school, and walk there in 6 minutes.

[@StaticMarblesChannelouioui]

You walk 15 miles in 6 minutes

[@stevenpeek8842]

You forgot about the snow. He walked through waist-deep snow to school. Year round.

[@edwinm6735]

@@StaticMarblesChannelouioui Olympic Speed Walker... 🙂

[@edwinm6735]

@@stevenpeek8842 Totally correct!

[@DantheManZ-wn6zg]

​@@stevenpeek8842 It was also always 200°C with the sun in his face the whole time

[@paintthecosmos840]

Don't forget Marie Tharp, whose discovery of the Mid-Atlantic Ridge was integral to proving the Continental Drift Theory! Her discovery was dismissed due to sexism when she published her findings in 1953, and she was only recognized once a man posited the Continental Drift Theory over a decade later.

[@ClaeFace]

I love how half of every conspiracy theorist’s explanation is “because it has to be this way for my theory to make sense”

[@blakksheep736]

Classic "start from a conclusion and find evidence that supports it".

[@enravotaboyadjiev7466]

​@@blakksheep736 people do that all the time, in all sorts of spheres of learning. The question is - when you start with a conclusion but then find no evidence that supports it or you find evidence that disproves it, are you going to alter your conclusion or reject the evidence? That's the difference between a conspiracy theorist and a normal person

[@whytho1152]

but then it didnt make any sense?

[@WasatchWind]

Sadly a lot of the time it comes from a religious background - someone has cherished beliefs, and someone within their faith tells them you need to believe in flat earth to be a Christian (which is completely false, the Bible says nothing about flat earth, and numerous scientists, astronauts, etc have been practicing Christians.) Now this person faces a scary discrepancy, where their cherished beliefs, about the personal experiences they feel they've had with the Lord, the teachings they love in the Bible - they come to believe that these are in conflict with modern science, and thus, they must reject the thing trying to destroy their treasured life experiences. They do this, having been taught that science is the enemy, rather than the mature view of "I don't understand how this thing fits into my beliefs, but I'll learn about it what I can, and if it still doesn't fit into what I believe, I'll set it aside from now - and I won't act as if my religious beliefs are empirical science." A lot of people who respond to conspiracy theorists seem to have utter contempt for religion, and not understand how it creates these split loyalties for the conspiracy theorists. The one debunking often has a very dismissive attitude towards religion that will only lead the conspiracy theorists to further entrench the position. Milo, I'd say, does a fair job of more respectful interaction, where he will sometimes give constructive feedback on good things someone can do instead of making conspiracy content. That is how we should approach this. If we encourage religious people to be more open and patient with science, and encourage non religious people of science to avoid being dismissive of the subject, we can diminish the silly science versus religion debate. Really the two areas of thinking should have little to do with each other, as scientists shouldn't be jumping to conclusions about philosophy and metaphysics, and religious people shouldn't act as if the purpose of the Bible is to be a science textbook, rather than instruction for improving one's self.

[@tommerker8063]

@@WasatchWind thats not an argument, before the 70s it was practically mandatory to be chrsitain in europe and the americas. you might as well say christianity and science are compatible, because some scientists followed christianity at gun point.

[@Fishfoe]

Former animation student here. The principle of Squash And Stretch only applies to nonrealistic, often comical animation styles. Since the Earth is rendered realistically with regards to physical laws, it has to preserve its overall mass and shape in order to remain appealing and realistic; aka, stay on-model.

[@quadraticus466]

I think you'll regret it if your kids google the entire list of geophysicists who did this.

[@Enby_Potato]

Current animation student here- I can confirm.

[@aribantala]

As another Former Animation student, To be fair with Neil. He was a Comic Book Artist. Not at all absolving him from cooking this kook (heh).

[@adhdhikaru]

not only that, but one of the principles of utilizing squash and stretch is to at least roughly maintain the object’s volume. having something “grow” arbitrarily is unrealistic even for cartoons.

[@Kai...999]

Your animation experience holds no relevance to anything about this video.

[@AgentSnowpuff]

Customer service worker here! When Neal says the Earth is expanding he sounds exactly like my boss telling me that the raise he promised "just wasn't in the budget" but if I work even harder, I'll "definitely get it in a few months".

[@zoinomiko]

Oh god that hurts DEEPLY

[@an0rmalp3rson70]

Look for a new job bro

[@IDK-xe6yg]

Definitely quit

[@smolmoru]

that made me laugh sarcastically with a strong desire to punch your boss. I wish my manager would at least promise that, but he just says the costs for employees are too high with most getting 12,50€ or 13€ an hour and someone getting 25€ an hour and him having more than one property. dude's not just getting by. it's just your typical favoritism+greed. if it wasn't for my coworkers and the sad fact that it's hard to get a job as a developmentally disabled person I wouldn't be there any longer. my protection against getting fired will come in handy as soon as I get it tho.

[@danolantern6030]

Best wishes to your situation, that boss is a scumbag!

[@crushgirljane]

I like how every time Neil presented a map Milo instantly calmed down Maps are his comfort character in this story

[@jasonjd84]

Then he got upset when Neal talked over the map.

[@lvmpenprxle7135]

please god never stop calling us googldibunkers its the single greatest name for a youtubers fanbase in all of history.

[@dusfitz]

E PLURIBUS GOOGUM

[@Hollyberrystreats]

Yes, I love it!

[@derrickvo9292]

Theater person here. Some ancient theaters used acoustics to have the actors voices travel across them much better, which were extremely well tuned mathematically to perform this effect. If the ground was shifting at a notable rate, it would probably be obvious to the nerds over at architecture that the acoustics wouldn’t work nearly as well, even if the building isnt literally torn apart.

[@danielwilke7574]

I think part of Neil's theory isn't that the "ground" is growing. Just the earth and all the places that have land is still the same size and the places that have "grown" have become the seas. Idk this theory is stupid.

[@aribantala]

​@@danielwilke7574 The waters for those seas has to come from somewhere too... As Milo pointed out Where's all of those gargantuan amount of water came from? Well, if the ocean is already there, and it's just a matter of the continents moving apart from each other, we already have our answer.

[@pwnUgood]

I am an artist who worked closely with Neal Adams at Continuity Graphics for years and he was the most rational, easy to communicate with and reliable decision maker and boss you could ask for. It wasn't until I saw this "Expanding Earth" video on KZbin that I realized he was a nut. I left a post (under my screen name) asking if this was a prank and he got surly and defensive. Downright belligerent! There was no reasoning with him. And yet at work he was the picture of a high functioning professional. RIP Neal.

[@Tensen01]

Loved his artwork for ages, no clue he was like this.

[@stefansneden1957]

This was just a great comment. Reminds us we are not defined by a single odd quirk. Based on this post Neal seems like a good dude that just had this one weird spot where he was a bit nutty. I imagine we all probably have something like that. Also agee with the fact that his art is fantastic.

[@bobshaker]

He was a nutcase when writing as well. Great artist though.

[@JaxdoesArt]

Just once I’d like to find a great artist who isn’t whack in one way or another

[@timhazeltine3256]

No, most of don't...​@@stefansneden1957

[@AmberSpecter1999]

"I can't even think of a joke, it just is a joke." That was a severe burn. I hope I never do anything stupid enough to become worthy of it

[@OnlineStandUp]

"We are human software running on animal hardware." Is now one of my favorite quotes

[@thunderspark1536]

We're just animals on both ends, we just learned how to write shit down

[@yopoxikeweapescai9066]

@@thunderspark1536 and scream in coherent ways lol

[@not-that-guy-pal-]

​@@yopoxikeweapescai9066Dont forget the thumbs

[@godslaughter]

Human software is still animal software. We're not special, we're not more intelligent or more evolved, we're not sentient vs. the "non-sentient" ones, that doesn't exist. Humans came up with anthropocentrism and it's still running rampant.

[@paulburnett886]

This quote needs merch made for it 😂

[@TheArtisticGamer7]

"My mind can't comprehend it. Cause I'm a goddamn- I'm Monkey" Please Milo put this on merch I will legitimately buy so much, Its so well put and accurate.

[@AnamLiath]

I want this shirt too. Or jewelry. Remembering the monkey examining the skull.

[@Shade.85]

I'm in. 🐒

[@carrieeloff2220]

Samesies

[@dirtpig02]

I need it

[@TheBunzinator]

We are all apes, we are all fish, we are all LUCA.

[@angeline6477]

Forensics student here. If the earth was constantly expanding, skeletons and remains that were originally buried together (ie in a grave) would be found much further apart from each other, as the earth would have pulled the bones away from each other as it expanded

[@LieseLotte471]

That is actually so interesting! You would be able to super accurately date basically any burial site by spread rate alone. Also I just realized that any building older than a few years would collapse due to the ground shifting beneath it but oh well lol

[@oceanmariep256]

But it seems like the claim is that the continents have stayed the same size. Then again supposedly mars has grown too, and mars is entirely land mass, so I guess only Martian bones would spread?

[@rhokesh4391]

@@oceanmariep256 Also makes you wonder where the water that's covered the gaps and that we now call oceans is supposed to have come from... 🤔

[@nlald]

That would explain some of histories greatest cold cases.

[@KLanio-lr8yv]

so that is how the giants are explaind...

[@Devlinflaherty]

Know you probably won't see this, but it occurred to me that most of these people believe these theories because they think there are "gaps" in our understanding that, an expert like yourself, knows the missing pieces to fill. But as we don't know everything, I am guessing that there are still ACTUAL unexplained gaps that even the experts are stumped on. At the risk of giving conspiracy theorists more ammo, I think it would actually be pretty interesting to hear some of the REAL mysteries that have yet to be explained, and perhaps what the leading expert theories are on the subject? Love the content, keep up the awesome work. :)

[@tablesalt9129]

Cartoonist here. I don't know if this violates your call for respect, but I actually met the guy and can probably fill some gaps in explanations of why this video exists. He had quite the reputation for being stubborn and argumentative, which I actually got a taste for firsthand when we got into a heated conversation at his Comic Con booth. He seemed very fixated on being able to talk down to everyone given his legendary status, but was extremely sensitive about discussions of his own work. For context, he was offering portfolio critiques that I decided to avail myself of. I don't particularly mind revealing that he was unimpressed, however he was adamant that the problem was broadly that stylization is a crutch for weaker artists and should always be avoided, but became very incensed when I pointed out that his work is stylized as well. Then he got into a huff and demanded I leave the booth immediately. Long story short, I don't think Neal had a strong internal incentive towards consistency in his views. He seemed very eager to throw his weight around but was surprisingly sensitive about himself. I suspect this video is the result of one such argument, where he had hoped to curry favor with his followers to bully whoever this unfortunate target was with sheer numbers. I don't wish to speak I'll of the dead, but to be honest he did not extend much of the same courtesy to me when I was alive and physically in front of him.

[@laraleveuvre886]

Somehow this doesn’t shock me. Thank you for this! This was the ✨Tea✨ I craved

[@sunzelretch22]

Damn man, even a spirit had to come back from the grave to give their two cents

[@timschantz3233]

Stylization is what makes one artist's work unique from another.

[@felesnocis]

Delicious delicious tea 🍵

[@supermell13]

Actually this is helpful context because I was thinking that given he would have attended school in the 1950s that this theory is possibly something he actually learned in school & for whatever reason had clung to all these years.

[@SmugKitsune]

Can't wait for earth to grow big enough that I can get lost in the woods and not find a twinkie wrapper half-buried in the soil!

[@Julia-uh4li]

I love your comment. As an American now living in the English countryside I've been horrified for well over a decade by the amount of litter all around me. There are no McDonald's near us yet we see that litter everywhere, amongst all other crap. Apparently the UK needs what we got in the 1980s with the massive anti-littering campaign with the Indian crying the single tear when seeing litter in the beautiful wilderness. I wonder who they'd end up using as the anti-litter mascot over here...? Sadly, I don't think there would ever be a campaign that would make a difference & actually stop these disgusting fools from doing it. They are so proud of keeping their cars spotless inside that as they drive down any roads they roll down their windows and chuck all their rubbish out. And no, their aren't enough police to do anything about it. I can go 5 days straight without ever seeing 1 police man or police car when driving in and out of the city for work, week after week, month after month.

[@1-eye-willy]

Walmart bags with the smiley face on it will haunt us for generations

[@strangerfromthemoon13]

​@@Julia-uh4liYou're so d@nm right, like I would rather use my backseat as a dumpster with trash in old grocery bags and clean it out every week or so, I will never understand people who just throw it out the window. I also smoke cigarettes, and always have an old soda can or SOMEWHERE I can put the cigarette butt other than out the window for a bird to choke on lmao. People that litter are just as trashy as they seem.

[@Robynhoodlum]

Considering wind exists, I’m not sure this will ever happen. Where there is air there is a way.

[@Paigemeelee]

I find twinkle rappers all over the world like Asia... and Missouri that's 100% undeniable proof that an ancient globe spanding civilization at the last the end of the last ice age.

[@serialzero1979]

Taxonomy enthusiast here. Platypuses are not marsupials.

[@DiscoDachiff]

Famously so

[@PixelRockett]

Also marsupials originally evolved in North America

[@weaponizedemoticon1131]

Oh my goodness, that one hurt me so badly. (They are monotremes, as are echidnas if anyone is unsure what platypuses are.)

[@TimTime10]

​​@@weaponizedemoticon1131 Really? I thoight they where egg laying mammals of action.

[@Tentfire]

Oh thank the gods someone said it. We honestly need more advocates for those venomous aquatic rascals.❤

[@jadiscardelli3487]

Ok, comic artist here! I can say lots of things loosely related to my job that debunk this! But I don't need to... Why, you ask? I refuse to accept the opinions of _anyone_ who calls a *platypus,* a _marsupial_ without joking. (10:56) I may be an artist, but I grew up watching tons of nat geo and will not stand for this... IT'S A MAMMAL EVERYONE KNOWS THAT!!! IT'S LITERALLY FAMOUS FOR BEING THE ONLY EGG LAYING *MAMMAL* I DON'T CARE IF I GREW UP READING COMICS WITH HIS ART AND LOOKED UP TO HIM HE IS DEAD TO ME NOW!!! P.S (This is obviously a bit of an exaggeration. I still love his art. I just have to cope with the fact he was delusional, but I'm sort of not surprised considering his... disagreeable personality.... That said, he had some genuinely wonderful contributions to the world of comic art, and Neal will be missed...) P.P.S (Technically, Platypus isn't the only mammal to lay eggs, but it is the most famous. Any monotreme can lay eggs!) P.P.P.S (Monotreme just refers to five species: the one type of platypus and the four types of echidna.)

[@junebug73642]

I mean, marsupials *are* mammals, or at least all the ones I know of are. Platypi definitely aren't marsupials, though.

[@Mini_Squatch]

Marsupials are mammals. So are placentals. so are monotremes. But yes, platypuses are monotremes, not marsupials.

[@eleanorepiening3611]

I love how people with professions from jewelry designer to astrophysicist to process engineer have all come together to say to this conspiracy “lmao no”

[@AnimeFreak40K]

I think this is all kinds of awesome. I have very little science background myself (other than I just like the stuff; some of my favorite channels here are science-related) and I think its hilarious that folks are pointing out this 'expanding earth idea' (it doesn't even deserve to be called a hypothesis, much less a theory) is just all kinds of wrong.

[@Albukhshi]

And at least one paleogeographer (in training)! There is also a welder, a couple of data engineers, some guys running trains, and even a guy who brought up Eratosthenes (not sure if historian or not). EDIT: And we have an actual historian, too, who specializes in African history.

[@kk-9981]

As an art historian, I feel obliged to add my Hell, fuck no.

[@NZSally25]

Just like all the conspiracy theorists and flat earthers never let a fact get in the way of a good story.

[@blakksheep736]

@@eleanorepiening3611 and a kitchen designer and a professional office chair swiveller.

[@unripetoast-nu4lv]

As a political science student, all I can say is that this theory perfectly shows why not all people should hold a public office.

[@Maladjester]

I'm uncomfortable with how well "It looks like politicians know aliens did it but won't tell us because it would upset the apple cart" still works.

[@micahfoley9572]

we can't just have people who understand the government running the government. that would be crazy.

[@unripetoast-nu4lv]

@@Maladjester It's astounding how many people aren't willing to accept that a government consists of human beings just like them and not all-powerful deities

[@nathagar9251]

Flashbacks to the US congressman who asked “if we expand our naval base on Guam won’t the island capsize and sink?” kzbin.info/www/bejne/jmbHnKSLrpygi80 This is a real, genuine concern. Your representatives do not necessarily understand that the world isn’t expanding or that the navy can’t sink islands.

[@unripetoast-nu4lv]

@@nathagar9251 Thanks for that clip. I'm not American but I study American politics and culture, and that video is just insane. I can't put it any other way.

[@kiwenmanisuno]

Linguist here! -If the Earth was expanding, how is it possible for Caucasia to have so many unrelated cultures, when they would've been right next to eachother a few thousand years ago? -How did the Romans learn of China *later* in their history, if the silk road would've been much smaller early in their history? -Proto-Indo-European was spoekn in Anatolia and southern Ukraine. As they migrated to the edges of the modern-day Indo-European family tree, it would've been more and more difficult to traverse, so you'd think there'd be more languages per km²/mi², but no, all of Europe and India have the same general number of languages. How does that make ANY sense?? -Saved the best for last: **HOW** did Europe NOT contact north America earlier if the Atlantic ocean was tiny-er 2000 years ago?? The Vikings would've had a much easier time conquering north America than Columbus, but you're telling me that they didn't?

[@Ba77ery4c1d]

@curiousnerdkitteh lol you wanted a linguistics side of this--

[@the_user_redacted7924]

even the linguists have evidence god damn

[@kiwenmanisuno]

@@the_user_redacted7924 It's mostly historical linguistics but damn right is this expanding earth theory garbage

[@Temujin1206]

To be fair the original theory suggests growth over geologic time, which would be pretty insignificant in terms of human history-according to the rates given in the video he seems to imagine that the Earth is growing at something less than 30.8cm per year in terms of its circumference at the equator. That means that, taking the latest hypothesised dates for PIE, the Earth was about 1.387km smaller at the equator at the time of the migrations of PIE speakers, similarly the Earth would have been just 780m smaller at the equator at the founding of the Roman Republic and 308m smaller during the period when Vikings landed on North America-when you factor in the way those changes at the equator would manifest at higher latitudes you're talking about those journeys being a few metres (or perhaps a few tens of metres) shorter than they would be today, essentially a negligible impact on the scale at which those journeys would be made. The theory is still utterly bogus in every possible way, but trying to disprove a theory arguing for planetary expansion over geologic timescales based on cultures being closer together on human timescales isn't a very effective refutation and is easily debunked by believers.

[@kiwenmanisuno]

@@Temujin1206 How about the emergence of humanity 4 to 7 million years ago? Why did humanity take so damn long to take its "baby steps" if the glone woulda been much smaller? Besides I don't think this theory has genuiene believers (except people with some form of undiagnosed schizophrenia or psychosis), this is just me having fun

[@dracolyte08]

22:02 “You have to be nice, he’s dead, you have to be nice to him ‘cuz he’s dead…” That was hilarious and idk why 😂

[@Niendorf_an_der_Stecknitz]

computer engineer here. if the americas and europe were connected 60 million years ago and the space between them has expanded to the 7000 kilometers today, it means the gap is expanding at a rate of 10 cm/year. since 2007 when that video was posted, the gap would have expanded by 2 meters and all the optical fibers that are carrying connect americas to europe under the ocean would have broken apart and that video would no longer be on the internet

[@DMTri-no8sh]

I'm studying french history so on that subject.. the IFA 2000 connecting the power grid of the UK with the rest of Europe was installed in 1986 and is still working. Wouldn't the cables have been severed if the land masses were drifting apart?

[@ack7956]

​​​​@@DMTri-no8shNo, because the UK is on the same tectonic plate as the rest of Europe. Currently, the North Sea and English Channel are actually very similar things to what existed in North America- the Western Interior Seaway. It's just smaller and less extravagant. This land has been dubbed "Doggerland." The reason Doggerland is submerged is due to the gradual melting of the ice caps as we passed the glacial maximum and came to an interglacial period in the current ice age. Now, what you may be referring to are the transatlantic telecommunications cables that connect the Americas to Europe. These are mostly intact because seafloor spreading and plate tectonics are so incomprehensibly slow that the entirety of human existence is hardly even an eye blink, let alone the mere centuries since installing those lines; hence, nothing much has really changed. Edit just to say that there's more to Doggerland getting submerged than just what I mentioned, but I kept it brief for ease of communication.

[@laureng2110]

thank you fellow engineer, I wanted to post this exact response but didn't want to do the maths for it

[@bevolkisch4628]

you are assuming that the earth expands at a constant rate over time, not taking into account that all the expansion could have occurred already and that in addition to expansions there could also be contraction periods and the internet cables that you speak of have only been in place for less than 30 years and indeed at some point in the future they could snap and the fact that a certain amount of slack has already been built into them and that surely this slack is greater than 2 meters given the distance that the cable is said to traverse which is thousands of miles or kilometers.

[@foreverNwonder]

Sidenote. It’s WILD to me that there’s cables crossing the entire oceans… humans be wildin’ - ya know???

[@Finvaara]

Tech Support here. GPS wouldn't work if the earth were expanding. Satellites couldn't stay in orbit at all, either because of changes in gravity, or because ball got too big and bump into them.

[@Cuubey]

Oh no google maps would be dysfunctional!!! 😱😱😭🤬😱😱😭😭🤬😭😱😱🛠📺🔋🧯📺🎙🛢💷📷📸🪚⚒☎⛏🪙🗻🖥🏖🩺🛠🪬🚬🛋🏺🛌🪒💉🪄📄🪩📫📐📌🥍🥏🍪🍸🍮🍔☺🤫😌😔😍😤😙🤓🫤😡🤗😎😜😥😎🗾😙😰😉🫢😙😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱

[@arcticthehunter7099]

Oh yeah! Even a few centimeter would obliterate our careful mathematics

[@sync-on-luma]

I also thought of that. The other thing that occurred to me, is wouldn't all the undersea cables we've been laying for the past 100 years stretch and break if the earth was expanding? Edit: or railways, highway, and just telephone lines in general.

[@kandyweeb1885]

@@arcticthehunter7099 there’s evidence of this in Australia, which has moved 7cm(iirc) per year since the 1990s and messes up gps today. Sometimes if the gps hasn’t been updated since, you’ll be driving on the wrong side of the road according to the gps

[@tsm688]

@@sync-on-luma undersea cables *do* break a lot. The matherati want you to believe, sharks.

[@Kenshin6321]

Network engineer here. The undersea fiber cables that connect the internet across the world wouldn't work if the earth was expanding. If the earth was expanding, the fiber cables would have ripped apart and it be impossible to connect to the internet in other countries unless you're using satellite internet. But satellites wouldn't work either because if the earth was expanding, then the satellites would just fall out of orbit and back onto the earth.

[@Engy_Wuck]

fiber cables wouldn't be a problem if the earth was expanding "slowly enough" so the cables could slip a bit around. Even with plate tectonics you need to account for a few centimeters a year difference in distance. If Earth was "half as big" 65 million years ago it would only need to gain 30cm (a foot) per year of equatorial length to grow 20.000km in the last 65 million years. Satellites are another problem, but then again they already need a bit of station keeping due to atmospheric drag (at least those in LEO, like starlink). GPS on the other hand...

[@twisteddaylight]

"what are cables covered in? Rubber. Why? Because rubber can stretch when the earth grows bigger"

[@squee599]

Oh dip! I didn't expect to find anything remotely related to IT but here it is! ❤

[@davidwright7193]

We have had transatlantic cables for 150+ years now and the Atlantic is expanding, there are no subduction zones on the east coast of the US or the west coast of Europe and Africa. So the Atlantic has widened by 30-50cm during that time. Basically there is a bit of slack in the system and the cables get broken from time to time and replaced or patched. For 100 of those years we didn’t know that the ocean was actually getting wider but the cables still dealt with the expansion.

[@mistermonkey5842]

satellite internet wouldn't work anyway for a number of reasons: 1. space is fake 2. planes would be unable to disseminate chemtrails because all the cat 5 cable dangling from the satellites 3. the size of the disk is fixed by size and strength of the ice wall

[@somelurker6115]

I'm still hung up on the fact that Neal called platypuses "marsupials." He had a whole Australian continent of marsupials to pick from, and he went with one of the two remaining monotremes.

[@telemarkaeology]

I mean, geology doesn't matter to him. Why should biology?

[@AbbyHargis08]

I want to see a flat Earther, expanding Earther, and a hollow Earther just battle it out. God I would pay so much money.

[@fafflerproductions]

I didn't know I needed this in my life until now

[@RonaldParkinson-fm7km]

No need to. The Earth is a flat plane that constantly expands at the edges, ans underneath there is a hollow space.

[@Resters52_official]

throw in a world ice theorist for good measure

[@GreyBirdKiki]

They would sit around attempting to debunk each other (you shut up no you shut up) hence all their theories would cancel each other out in a whole lotta mental gymnastics 🤸

[@xXLiLJokerXx]

Then the Dyson sphere ppl get involved

[@buttherewasnojanus6637]

English major here, Neal's pinned comment should be enough to debunk his theory on grammar and spelling alone.

[@daviousmaximus6446]

You sure you're only a major, that sounds pretty general.

[@conscripthornet4430]

@@daviousmaximus6446 I give this comment 5 stars and a 💜

[@jaymesl7360]

I’m very glad to say that I, as a layman with no field in academia, immediately asked “where water come from?”

[@fancypigeon681]

From rain obviously 🙄🙄🙄

[@emmarichardson965]

This was my thought too. (Also have no formal training, and my high school science was laughable.)

[@plebiansociety]

d'uh, from the land. If the planet was smaller the water would be higher. like on top of the land. That's why all life that started on this planet was water based, because the whole planet was water. As the planet expanded, the land came out from underneath the water and that's why you have water fossils on land.

[@MrHenrry98]

​​​​​@@plebiansociety but at that point why the biological similarities exist? If everything popped from the water and then life started to adapt to live on the land we shouldn't be able to find similar animals on very far away continents, or even plants for that matter, something that in the original video is used for evidence. Having both the similarities, which means a lot of land above water, and the water above the land before the expansion is not possible because there wouldn't be enough space for everything on a smaller earth.

[@superleipoman]

Can you be thirsty if water didn't exist?

[@jocelyneragan2791]

Did dude say that Magma, which is hot enough to melt granite.. is MORE dense than granite? If everything melts together and becomes homogeneous, density doesn't come into factor - it's homogeneous.

[@omniarch8078]

hey, sociology and anthropology graduate here. plate tectonics is also used to explain why cultures that haven't interacted with each other have a lot of the same materials for everyday life. Minerals normally found on a different side of the planet were used not because of trade but because the people living in these environments found them in the ground. It's a big reason why the age of a material used by a culture can't always indicate the age of the culture itself.

[@Mx.b0ba_gxcha]

That is so bloody cool….

[@MarkusAldawn]

I saw a rock in a museum yesterday which the plaque declared formed between 3500 million years ago and 2500 million years ago, and I'll be honest I would be intrigued to see somebody claim breathlessly that some ancient society had been around for that long simply because they used a rock which was that old.

[@schwarz8614]

Ah yes, the human nature of finding rocks and stacking them

[@stephencowie696]

Nope - tectonic ages did not impact the last stages of human evolution... 1-2 hundred million (tectonic) vs 1-2 million years (material culture) - the earth pretty much resembled what we see today until about 40 million years ago... oldest material culture is about 2.5 million years...Trade was how materials got around.. different places used the same materials the same way toddlers still stack building blocks like the pyramids - it worked good.

[@christieap]

For eg. Obsidian we can actually match the flake to the source because of differences in trace minerals though! Which makes it really neat because you can specifically track trade/movement. One of my arch profs uses the technique to follow the journey of obsidian around BC Canada-sometimes the closest quarry isn’t where it came from.

[@FelixTheLad]

Cleaner here: If the earth was expanding, I'd have to clean up more chipped paint and crumbling concrete dust as the buildings rip themselves apart.

[@cherri_chip7257]

Hmmm, someone's never heard of earthquakes before... a phenomena that is definitely not explained by plate tectonics

[@alexskv4644]

​@@cherri_chip7257so how would the earthquakes happens if there was no plate tectonics?

[@kashiichan]

​@@alexskv4644I think that's exactly cherri's point

[@cherri_chip7257]

@@alexskv4644 One again my theories are foiled by you damn googledebunkers

[@DavidSmith-vr1nb]

​@@alexskv4644 You have been tripped up by unmarked sarcasm in the wild. I suspect English is not your first language so don't worry about it.

[@leXie1337_chan]

As a layperson with a more-than-passing interest in biology and paleontology, this guy's literally saying that live evolved on land first, then propagated to the sea. But the overwhelming majority of oceanic life doesn't even look like it had land-bound ancestors!

[@angeljaceherondale]

Only whales are from Earth every other sea animal came from space! New theory just dropped.

[@Eloraurora]

​@@angeljaceherondaleYou're encouraging the octopus panspermia people.

[@bmxrichard21]

Once upon a time, when I was young, My father told me 'bout a place beyond the sun, A world far away, where three suns shine, But the planet there, well, it wasn't doing fine. He said, "Son, sit down, let me tell you a tale, Of dolphins in rockets and cosmic trails. From a distant galaxy, they took flight, Left their home, to find a place just right." He said, "One day you'll know the truth, my son, About dolphins who came from a world undone. Their planet burned, couldn't take the heat, So they found Earth, where they made their fleet. Live a life you'll remember, make it count, For the dolphins left, when their world was drowned." He told me 'bout their journey through the stars, In shiny rockets, they traveled far, Through cosmic dust and asteroid fields, To find a new home, where wounds could heal. He said, "They landed here, in oceans deep, A secret kept, a promise to keep. From the planet they left, where they could no longer stay, To Earth, where they swim and where they play." Now every time I see the ocean blue, I think of dolphins, and the tale I knew, Of rockets and stars, and three suns' flame, And the world they left, with no one to blame. So now I know the story well, Of dolphins who escaped from a fiery hell, They found their peace in Earth's embrace, And swim in our seas, their secret place. Live a life you'll remember, make it count, For the dolphins' tale, I won't ever doubt.

[@ominous-omnipresent-they]

No, God did it, goddamnit!

[@daviddegeorge2667]

​@@bmxrichard21All i can say is "So long, and thanks for all the fish."

[@kingmorgan5047]

"things should be easier to understand the further back we go" is like saying "your memories of being a newborn infant should be much stronger and easier to recall than your more recent memories" jfc, i had to pause the video so i could stop laughing before i moved on XD

[@daemondan666]

IT Professional here: The major backbone of international internet communications is actually insulated cable spanning the ocean. Under the ocean. If the planet was growing, even at an incredibly slow rate, that cable would have gone taught at the parts where it connects to the intercontinental infrastructure and snapped.

[@Dumb-Comment]

"So they are secretly adding cables 😂"

[@Rogsnutle]

@@Dumb-Comment fr bro never seen a spool before

[@michaelfiori6700]

​@@Rogsnutleyes.

[@Ashtrogen]

wait, so what you're telling me is that the internet is a series of tubes???

[@zeeoh5466]

that's interesting, because wouldn't plate tectonics contradict that too? if the ocean floor really is a conveyor belt, then it should also have snapped the cable at this point, or at least at some point

[@piercearora7681]

Astrophysicist here. If the radius of the earth expands, then that means that the diurnal parallax of celestial objects would also change. We've got fairly precise diurnal parallax measurements going back to Tycho Brahe and Johannes Kepler in the 16-17th centuries. Over hundreds of years of expanding earth, that would mean that planets, comets, asteroids, and literally everything else would get parallax measurements making them appear to get closer to earth over time, which they dont

[@Knight_Dragon]

I like your funny words magic man. (Pls dumb it down for me)

[@MohamadYasserMasalchi]

Nonastrophysical explanation: "If the Earth was getting bigger, things like stars and planets in the sky would look closer and closer over time. But that doesn't happen, so the Earth isn’t growing."

[@m4rzb4rz-qq3yq]

Ayy another astrophysicist :D

[@Knight_Dragon]

@@MohamadYasserMasalchi thank you

[@malcolminthemetal4992]

I didn’t even think of that! You clearly know your stuff; that’s a smart measurement. I was trying to think of things we could measure far enough back to debunk, and the diurnal parallax was smart. I got to acceleration of gravity which was relatively accurate in the 18th century.

[@ExcenGaming]

My old comic book shop held a signing for Neil Adams. He was very kind, had a lot of great stories. Back when I wanted to be a graphic artist, he gave me the best encouragement I could have ever asked for and ask for my signature on a advertisement piece I made for the event. I was so humbled I cried in the bathroom for half an hour. It's shocking to see his conspiracy side. I never knew any of it existed. Very strange. Never got any of that with my half a day spent with him. Mind blowing stuff.

[@71705558a]

It does explain Batman Odyssey a bit, though.

[@FrikInCasualMode]

If you want to keep your peace of mind, for the love of Thor Odinsson do not read what happened to another legend - Frank Miller.

[@jzilla989]

@@FrikInCasualMode OH God lmao. I forgot about that!

[@peccant]

It is scary how many people we love can also have absolutely absurd head cannon about the world. I think we all have crazy head cannon about all kinds of crap, and it's part of what keeps us sane and searching... it's when we give in to the idea that some "they" out there is trying to keep everyone else from believing or agreeing with our head cannon that things get sad and scary.

[@BLET_55artem55]

​@@peccantit's almost like famous/rich people are still people 😮

[@mieroslavtomas]

44:41 I laughed out so loud, I was actually folding my laundry

[@jaydenfrancois3684]

Astrophysics Graduate and proud Googledebunker here, I wanted to see if I could run the numbers and test how ridiculously contrived this hypothesis would have to be if it were true. I assumed that for the Earth to expand, the mantle and core would have to behave like an expanding fluid. Honestly, it's the only physical process I can think of that even barely works, but it still fails horrifically. Here's what the thermodynamics say: 1. The core of the Earth would have an average temperature of around 17,760 K (~3 times the surface temperature of the Sun). a) Temperatures like this aren't impossible to find in the universe, but they're not likely for a smaller planet like ours. To put it in perspective, it would be like stuffing Saturn's hot core into a planet the size of Mars! I’m no expert in geology, but I’d be amazed if extreme conditions like that didn’t leave long-lasting marks on our planet. b) If Earth's heat flow had been relatively consistent throughout its history, the cooldown time of the Earth's core to its current temperature would have taken more than three times the entire age of the universe! 2. An expanding Earth would also have started with a surface gravity of 33.8 m/s² (about 3.4 Gs, or 1.4 times Jupiter's surface gravity). I don't care how oxygen-dense the surface might be; the bones of megafauna would simply be unable to keep up. Hell, fuana on the humans scale would have struggled. 3. I found that the early thermal pressure of the core and mantle could provide up to 75% of the energy needed to break Earth's binding energy. For those who don’t know, energy amounts above Earth's binding energy are enough to physically obliterate the planet. That’s one Earth-Theia collision event away from shattering the planet into oblivion. a) Speaking of which, why can't we see any visible signs of inflation on the Moon? Old craters still retain their shape, marks, and ridges, yet expansion should suggest that craters would smooth out over time or at least be discontinuous. b) If I use the same process for Jupiter, it highly suggest that Jupiter should have started off as possible Brown Dwarf star. When fusion starts, it's hard to stop. Yet for some reason, Jupiter just decided to change career paths I guess. 4. I also found that the core density of an expanding Earth would have started at half the density of the Sun's core. Which brings an important question: What would even cause these insane initial conditions to form anyway? We're talking about stellar-level packing on a random dusty ball in the middle of nowhere space. a) We have a scenario where, for some reason, all the elements of the Earth are compressed beyond there natural sizes for a planet like ours. b) Conditions like this would have made it nearly impossible for complex life to form as early as it did. *_Part of me feels like it's a gateway to creationist Earth hypotheses (be it Scientology or whatnot) there are just to many unexplainable questions as to why Earth started off so unnaturally_* 5. Furthermore, why don’t we see evidence of planet expansion elsewhere in the universe? As we look into deeper regions of space, redshift should allow us to see the early universe. We should see exoplanets that are smaller on average than in the early universe vs. those in the later universe, but we don’t observe that trend at all. And if this mechanism works on our planet, why don’t we see it on larger-scale objects like galaxies? Don’t get it confused-the universe itself is expanding (i.e., the distances between objects), but gravitationally bound structures like galaxies don’t change size for no reason. These are also structures that tend to have more outward pressure, unlike Earth. But no expansion to speak of.

[@awdatzya]

this was such an interesting comment, not only educational but also well written, thank you!

[@triciaryland3587]

This was all spectacular and I thank you for your very well put and info heavy thoughts immensely, and I don't wanna detract from them, but ngl, the Jupiter changing career paths line was PEAK googledebunkery and I. Am. Here. For. It. 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

[@catto4589]

Dr. Google D. Bunker

[@Aeris052]

I really took the time to read all that and its one hell of a interesting information!

[@alexandrialecarpentier9877]

Most informative comment I've ever read

[@atlander4204]

Hobby historian here: The Pacific Islanders used celestial navigation to find their way between widely scattered islands. That wouldn’t work if Earth was expanding, as some of these islands are TINY and a few degrees in latitude/longitude would make you miss them.

[@MusketMan1997]

US Army Field Artillery Officer here: if the earth was expanding, our tabular firing tables and computational procedures would constantly have to be revised in order to hit our targets (or close enough for government work) to account for the added distance from the tubes almost yearly. Not to mention the wind patterns and planetary rotation compensation would shift due to planetary size changes and make it all but impossible to fire accurately with High Angle (any elevation of the tube, or barrel for you non-Red Legs, above 45° or 0800 milradians) since we would have zero way outside of our expensive GPS-Guided Inertial-Aided projectiles like the M982/M982A1 EXCALIBUR projectiles and MAYBE the PGK fuzes on standard HE projectiles. EVEN THEN our grid zones and gird locations would be constantly changing which would throw all this off even more which would cause delays in the form of new software updates in our targeting computers (AFATDS, cool but complicated as fuck system) to account for the growing planet thanks to new maps having to be published and new updates to the satellite systems to account for the growth as well. This would be my hell as an Artilleryman, and the branch would barely be worthwhile if the planet was growing at that rate stated unless you were damn near using the guns as direct fire.

[@latoshi3671]

Find a better job please

[@lyravain6304]

I mean, it would explain how so many 'smart missiles' hit hospitals and schools in Kossovo... But, yeah, apart from the mental "durrrr" of some higher ups, I agree with your point. Earth isn't expanding.

[@korvo9936]

​@@lyravain6304those ordinances aren't made to the same budget nor standard as the US ones

[@HumanPersonNotOrangutan]

As a former merchant seaman with some education towards becoming a nav officer... I share your pain. With this, and flat earthers. Though I sometimes daydream about a world where you can just set a course, and not worry about spherical trig :P

[@amirordibi1348]

I did not know the military had so much science behind a simple cannon being aimed over a hilltop. Nice👍

[@erickemp8574]

Thanks!

[@renadex4905]

Damn, even earth is not safe from deviant art

[@kingumbryon8021]

I hate you, take my like

[@deltatime9010]

Pyro paid for a commission of the earth 💀

[@umapessoaeujuro1873]

💀

[@seanwallace9269]

Baoberry, but on a global scale.

[@crazywarfare]

💀

[@margsmargsmargs]

As someone in the performing arts, I unfortunately CAN confirm that the earth is expanding because Shakespeare said “all the world’s a stage” and the largest stage in the world is in Nevada and is 42,175 sqft. Since the earth today has a surface area of 196.9 million square miles, we can deduce that in the early 1600s the Earth’s surface area was a maximum of 0.000000000762% of what it is today.

[@CristinaGarcia-xx4gy]

Fun fact: my dad got to learn about tectonic plates in school all the way in the 70s, not because it was part of the curriculum, but because his science teacher happened to be a geologist and was aware of it already. No one else but that woman's students learned about this in school at that time. It was very new back then.

[@monochromegreyson]

That's awesome!! Thanks for sharing!

[@HyperTextCoffeePot]

0:48 bold of you to assume we can read. Now I have to keep watching your video to see what this is all about!

[@dinodude6992]

Not once in my life have I ever heard of such a conspiracy theory... but now that I've heard about, it is making me question the people I share a reality with

[@FunnyBlackHole]

22 years i lived on this earth and just now I hear about this fever dream level shit. Fucking discworld made more sense…

[@mendesjosr4438]

Lack of creativity is surely something they cant be accused of. The last one that has entertained me is that pictures of the world/universal fairs buildings are pictures of old hidden civilizations

[@_frogerino]

tbh that’s the issue, we share a planet, but live in very different realities

[@sadge0]

I remember hearing about it on TV, I think they said that the earth expanded outwards because the water started to flow from inside of the earth. A very weird theory, why would it expand the earth if it was already inside of it, and why would it start to fucking flow from inside of the earth if it somehow stayed inside of it for all this time? So many questions

[@Viper505repiV1]

Oh don't worry, we don't share the same reality with them.

[@lolcatsravenight]

Welder here: wouldnt the electromagnetic fields be absolutely fucked and doing funky nonsense if the earth were growing?

[@hollismcc96]

Yes! Earth’s electromagnetic field is created because of the convection in the outer core so if the Earth was expanding and we were somehow gaining a shit ton of mass inside the planet, our magnetic field would be way stronger and also probably fuck with other planets magnetic fields

[@DuplexWeevil337]

It would, nice new googledubunking

[@ebreshea1337]

@@hollismcc96 not only that, but if we assume all that mass is spinning, that rotation would slow down due to conservation of angular momentum. So the earth's magnetic field would be getting weaker exponentially.

[@adaelion3772]

​@@ebreshea1337they threw out the conservation of mass.... You think they care about the conservation of angular momentum?

[@themonsterbaby]

Also a Welder here (though recently I went back to cnc machining).... what does being a Welder have to do with your question? Lol

[@aarondruckmiller8174]

Hey Milo! Meteorologist here! The way the atmosphere formed was a result of volcanoes (something that this theory just doesn’t account for apparently) spewing gasses such as methane, co2, water vapor, etc into the air, which created our atmosphere. As the surface cooled, water was precipitated out of this primordial atmospheric cocktail created our oceans. This a pretty big simplification but this is generally how it happened. Or if ur Neil, they just kinda showed up one day.

[@aarondruckmiller8174]

So further to your point of “thicc atmosphere” per Neil’s theory the atmosphere just occurred via no normal process whatsoever. Essentially suddenly atmosphere instead of thicc atmosphere.

[@lacalaca85]

Astronomer here: large portion of the water came from H2O-rich asteroids and comets crashing into the recently formed Earth, 4+ billion years ago.

[@travm.6013]

The earth expansion hypothesis explains volcanoes. Obviously, as the earth started to grow, it eventually went through puberty, and volcanos are the zits of the earth. Human zits spew puss and junk, earth zits (aka volcanoes) spew lava. But the lizard people who run the government don't want you to know that because they don't want humans to invent anti-zit cream for the earth. Because lizards like tropical islands obviously. (I hope it is apparent, but the comment above is all a joke. I feel shouldn't need to say that, but their are some crazy people in this world, and I don't want my silly joke comment to be the reason someone gives up on the human race today.)

[@KateeAngel]

And how would the Earth work with no oceans at the start. Like on the smaller globe he showed. I think life certainly would not exist

[@nadiastar6264]

So if the earth kept expanding would that mean the atmosphere would slowly disappear?

[@Fnoffen]

Can't WAIT to hear the explanation to where all the oceans water was before the expansion began...

[@AV-Art]

As an aspiring comic artist, I promise we’re not all like this. But here’s my expertise. As a comic writer and artist there are two important things to consider. 1) Continuity, which this theory lacks. 2) avoiding plot holes, especially simple ones like “Where did the ocean come from?” Also, as a comic artist for X-men you’d think he’d have a better understanding of electromagnetic fields.

[@cathrinebase9442]

Neil: earth grows. Just because. Literal Magneto: excuse me sir what the hell

[@Maladjester]

Comics has no science. It has magic pretending to be science.

[@prion42]

I wouldn't look at X-Men creators for knowledge of magnetism since apparently Magneto can manipulate all metals.

[@cathrinebase9442]

@@prion42 also true, though I think there were runs where this plot hole was explored 🤔

[@falsifiedbrib1268]

Chess expert here: The game of chess has been used as an analogy to war pretty much since its conception. If the Earth was expanding, battlefields would have been expanding too, and the chessboard’s size would have needed to increase to compensate.

[@theceo8738]

New square earth theory drop

[@MrDameius]

@@theceo8738 Yeah that's the Minecraft trailer that was just released.

[@The1bluespy]

​@@MrDameiusDONT SPEAK OF THAT FOUL NAME.

[@MsBluebl]

@@MrDameiusfirst rule about the Minecraft movie : WE DONT TALK ABOUT THE MINECRAFT MOVIES

[@chalor182]

Boom. Checkmate.

[@sage5296]

"The continents fit together perfectly" *animation with significant discrepancies everywhere* as I like to say, "Yes, for select definitions of the word 'perfectly''"

[@RyoApeiron]

What conspiracy theorists do is like if you walked into a Best Buy, looked at the TVs, INSIST Best Buy stole them all, and then when anyone questions it, start insisting it's Best Buy that needs to prove it.

[@Minitwill]

My bingo card suggestions: - “THEY DONT WANT YOU TO KNOW!!!” - Alien involvement - Milo saying “as recently as” and then proceeding to say a really long time ago - The original video saying “you expect me to believe” - Post edit fact check amendment - Bonus square : Filip Zieba.

[@esuterunokitsune3556]

- "It looks like" - "mainstream academia" - government conspiracy (bonus points- they only ever bring up the American government) - theory comes from the nazis

[@chocolatepancake501]

I'd add: - "it looks like" - insulting scientist and/or people who accept science - saying something that contradicts their own "theory" - "they want to silence me!" - doubting ancient people could figure out how to stack rocks - completely not understanding the theory they're trying to disprove - providing zero arguments for something - emotional music playing in the background

[@ic5889]

Additional suggestions: - General undefined "they" - actual fact presented wildly out of context - citing a scientific paper which actually concludes the opposite of what is claimed - trusting what old scientists believed while dismissing what modern science says - dismissing contradictions as 'insignificant' without actually explaining them And last and also least: "oh god you're talking about Jewish people aren't you no stop that"

[@Ba77ery4c1d]

I've got more teehee: - typically something massive rather than smaller (but equally important) problems - 0-100 immediately. Big rock? GIANT SKULL. Old petrified log? GIANT BONE!! etc - bonus points if photo evidence provided is from a film set/known fake/etc - also bonus points if the "it looks like" claims could only be said to look a certain way if you had your eyes shut and a really powerful imagination.

[@blanana_m]

I'd add "connection to other conspiracy theories" / "proven using another bogus theory"

[@BlueKuzo]

Science: Here's an idea. Layman: Interesting. What about this? Science: Ooooh. That's a good question. We don't have an answer for that, but, to be fair, neither does anybody else. Let us do some research and get back to you once we have something. Pseudo-science: Here's an idea. Layman: Interesting. What about this? Pseudo-science: ARE YOU QUESTIONING ME, PEASANT?!!!!

[@littlemissmel88]

Pseudo-scientist: Just do your own research! It's not my job to give you all the answers!

[@leow3696]

​@littlemissmel88 Layman: I did some research, and found a bunch of papers that provide evidence opposing your argument. Pseudoscience: NO NOT THAT RESEARCH IT'S FAKE

[@NoobieOof]

@@littlemissmel88 But also pseudo-scientist: NO, YOU SHALL NOT DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH- *(insane rambling)*

[@hatred9427]

not just like peasant, more like Pseudo-Scientist: R-Research?! All mainstream research is controlled by the government to keep you in the dark! Oh what's that? Experiments? All experiments can be controlled through radio waves! No point in that! What? You're a scientist? Of course, it all makes sense! You're not meant to think, you're paid by the government to keep everyone shut in to the truth! Only I, Joe Rogan and Alex Jones know the truth to the real world! Ooh, I said too much, they're out to get me! (naruto runs away from nothing)

[@bobrainy5324]

Always question

[@10vebot]

my field of expertise is "having eyes" and i can see that in the intro as he's saying that it's impossible that the continents could "slot together so perfectly" as a result of plate tectonics i literally can see them warping and shifting to fit together in his visualization

[@MossyMozart]

@1Ovebot - As you say yourself, his animation had to warp the continents in order to force them to "fit".

[@blakksheep736]

Also he said the continents don't move, then showed them moving several times.

[@joelabraham708]

in that animation, you are only seeing the continental crust and ocean water, you aren't seeing the method by which it was reduced - the edges of the continents were shifted towards the mid oceanic rift, to the line where the sea floor is the same age - for example, to go back two million years, he extended the edges of the continents, on all sides, to the point where they reach oceanic crust that is two million years old, then reduced the radius of the earth to that size - the 'warping' that you see is the shape the continents take when you extend them towards the oceanic ridge what he's saying, in the video, is that he did not have to 'warp' or 'squeeze' the continental crusts to get them to 'fit together', they just fit together, on all sides, when you reduce the earth's radius and contract it backwards, towards the rift [he's specifically contrasting it with plate tectonic theory which does warp the continents in order to fit them together, and only on one side]

[@blakksheep736]

@@joelabraham708 evidence for Pangea! 👍🏾

[@joelabraham708]

no - he's saying pangea fits continents together only on the side where europeans coincidentally center maps, and that continents do not fit together on a globe with the earth's current radius, which is why continents have to be warped to fit together into pangea - it is not part of plate tectonic theory that continents spread away from the mid oceanic ridge, neither does it account for why continental crusts fit together on all sides

[@musicgaming6550]

Just found this channel. Please make more conspiracy theories videos this was hilarious

[@connorholt3808]

I heard “Neal Adams” and thought “surely this isn’t the legendary comic book artist, must be a different guy with the same name.” I was totally flabbergasted when Milo confirmed that yes, this is THAT Neal Adams

[@summeronio9751]

Mashes sense. He built a whole career out of shit that doesn't exist

[@plushiepenguin]

I took psychic damage at that moment. I still respect his work as an artist and his contributions to my favorite characters. But this stuff is gonna gnaw at the back of my head next time I read some of his runs. And i know its wasnt his field or whatever. But he still spread this nonsense and contributed to the idiocracy of science denial today.

[@jamescelliers3195]

​@@plushiepenguin Its not that deep. I bet you have plenty of fringe ideas that are wrong. There is not one person on this planet you agree with on everything (even in regards to science), and in the grand scheme of things, believing that the earth is growing is probably pretty low down on the list of problematic or harmful ideas that a person can hold. Someone believing something like this should not make you think any less of them. He didn't contribute to science denial, he just had a belief as a layman about geology that was incorrect. He wasn't racist and he didn't act inappropriately towards women (that we know of), you shouldn't really think any less of him. “If you have the choice between being right and being kind, choose being kind”

[@kenkune55]

​@@jamescelliers3195 How was his entire video not contributing to science denial? He said multiple times that scientists were "hiding the truth" from people. Having your own thoughts or theories is fine, but I do think there is harm in spreading them as fact with nothing backing them

[@AshesAshes44]

I'm not much for comic books, but I'm very much for art. It's mortifying to learn he was really good at his job, and I couldn't use that against him. I suppose I *could*, but then I'd be no better than ol' Neal. 'Never try to teach a pig to sing it wastes your time and annoys the pig' (Heinlein I believe). It will also drag you down to their level, dammit.

[@chronque9270]

As a physics graduate, good lord that statement about "the universe MUST be simpler the further back in time you go" absolutely blindsided me

[@maxschlegel3566]

Its not exactly a false statement. The universe does get simpler as you go back in time. Shortly after the Big Bang, the universe was a very simple place indeed. And then, it got more complicated as it spread out and cooled. And it continues to become more complex as we speak, maybe. Eventually, as more energy becomes lost, the universe will become simple once again.

[@davidusa47]

@@maxschlegel3566 agreed - I also didn't like that statement when I first watched Neal's video, but as I've learned more about physics, I've come to understand the idea of emergent properties

[@88HELLJUMPER88]

​@@maxschlegel3566 understand physics or chemistry without the weak or strong nuclear forces. Plot hole detected.

[@Jose_Hunters_EWF_Remixes]

As a Physicist... AND a Chemist... AND a mathematician, why TF do you care? I made it to 1:39 and then decided it was long past high time to trim my nose hairs... the ones on the outside

[@linuslundquist3501]

@@88HELLJUMPER88 What are you on about?

[@JoshsTechWorkshop]

Honestly a huge issue I've noticed is that many people will go to school and then NEVER check to see if their high-school or college-level knowledge is still valid or not. They just live under the assumption that everything they learned in school is the absolute truth. And this is why I want schools to teach people how to continuously learn, not just memorize stuff and stick to that knowledge forever like the wad of gum under your high school desk.

[@TheInfintyithGoofball]

YES. though I hope your not defending this "theory" that doesn't get much evidence provided towards it.

[@stephenhasty252]

Welcome to modern socialism❤

[@superubergoober]

@@TheInfintyithGoofball i believe they are doing the opposite, that this person may have this "expanding earth" theory only because he never opened himself up to recent knowledge @stephenhasty252 no idea what youre talking about lol

[@RoyaleNoir]

​@@superubergoober yeah I think they're referring to the brief moment in the video where it was shown that he graduated school in 1959, which was nearly a decade before plate tectonics were widely accepted or understood

[@KillerRabbit.mp3]

@@stephenhasty252 I don't think you know what socialism is

[@iamtears__]

high-school student here! Frankly, what is the biggest hole in this theory, i think, is, as mentioned briefly, that matter can't be created or destroyed. if the earth has grown, how would it have even happened in the first place? we haven't been struck by a major kind meteor in hundreds of thousands of years, right? so where is all this extra new matter coming from that is supposedly making the earth larger? or, otherwise, what is happening within the core of the earth? this theory is so crazy i can't take it at all seriously

[@m0L3ify]

Speaking as a Biologist, I can confirm that a conspiracy of silence wouldn't ever actually be possible because if there's one thing scientists can't ever shut the f up about, it's their work. At the expense of ALL OTHER TOPICS all they ever want to talk about is their work, and they will tell as MANY people as possible on any given day anything and everything about what they know.

[@varyolla435]

It is like all the _"Ufology"_ BS. If any government actually had proof of aliens that could not be kept quiet for very long. Governments by their very nature tend to "leak" and for something as monumental as that = the scientists would be bolting for the doors to get on CNN etc. and collect their Nobel Prizes........

[@donutgiraffe]

And they will tell you all this, even if you're just being polite and really don't even understand a word they're saying.

[@m0L3ify]

@@donutgiraffe And if you have any hobbies outside of science that you try to talk about at work, they will stare at you blankly as a chorus of crickets serenades your sadness.

[@klas666]

Case in point: Milo

[@m0L3ify]

@@klas666 He is definitely Exhibit A 😂

[@MichaelHeide]

Neal Adams was not just any comic book artist. He was one of the most influential writer/artists of his generation. At DC, he co-created Ra's Al Ghul, Talia Al Ghul, Green Lantern John Stewart, Man-Bat, and at Marvel characters like Sauron and Mockingbird. He's also been instrumental in unionizing comic book creators, in fighting for them retaining the rights to their artwork, and in getting better royalties. Heck, in getting royalties at all. It's too bad that in his later years, he really went off the deep end when it came to conspiracy theories about science. Even in his later comics like Batman: Odyssey and Superman: The Coming of the Supermen, he tried to popularize ideas like a hollow Earth or an additional planet in our solar system, always conveniently located exactly on the other side of the Sun. It's important that you debunk his unscientific ideas. And I appreciate that you didn't make it a character assassination piece on Adams.

[@Edward_USMC13]

Totally agree I appreciated the genuine disclaimer about not bad mouthing his legacy as such a skilled and legendary artist. But you have to wonder if the Man simply went down the rabbit hole later in life and lost it mentally.

[@ashwinnair1092]

Oh, fuck, he's the Batman: Odyssey guy!?

[@MichaelHeide]

@@ashwinnair1092 Exactly. But let's not reduce him to that. His great books far outweigh his not-so-great ones.

[@AC-dk4fp]

Hollow Earth and counter earths in comic books isn't anything notable. I was kind of surprised it was 'the' Neal Adams but its little more than a coincidence. Most people believe in at least one piece of nonsense his artistic legacy has really little to do with him showing up in this context.

[@Returntotheworld]

Man-bat? Sauron? Hmm they sure sound familiar. Eh, no matter.

[@nickperoncomedy]

Fun fact about Neal Adams and his pet theory: It was well known among his peers to the point that John Byrne did a two issue story of Fantastic Four (issues 263 and 264 from 1984) dunking on it. The villain of the story, Alden Maas' name was an anagram for Neal Adams.

[@Bluecho4]

I'm sorry, Neil Adams has believed this nonsense since the _80s?_ That's freaking wild to me. Also, John Byrne is a freaking chad for using his work on Fantastic Four to specifically debunk his dumbass peer.

[@nickperoncomedy]

@@Bluecho4 I mean, John Byrne has his own controversies as a comic book artist. Mostly that he's a bit of a dick, but I'll give him this one. As for Adams, I think he's believed this for a lot longer than the 1980s. That's just the first time somebody made light of it in a public way. For Adams, I think some of his ideas bled into Batman: The Odyssey series he did for DC in the 2010s. That said, I wouldn't dunk too hard on Neal Adams. Despite his ideas about a hollow earth because one of his other big passions was working for the Institute of Holocaust Studies and even gotten stolen Nazi art back to its rightful owners. So he wasn't entirely a crack-pot lune. I guess the point I am trying to make is that people are a complexity of multitudes.

[@BorgztheDutchCyborg]

Is he the guy who made batman an absolute dick for awhile there and had him and Robin painted yellow just to mess with Green Lantern when he had that dumbass weakness?

[@farhanatashiga3721]

​@@Bluecho4well plate tectonics was still new-ish at the time so it's reasonable for someone to doubt it and believe something else at that point. What's unreasonable is for him to continue believing it despite growing overwhelming evidence up until his death almost 40 years later.

[@heysiri3327]

As a cybersecurity major... Well, damn, you got me there. What can I add from a field so detached from the physical? But, as a regular dude, explain how the moon orbits a growing Earth without crashing into it while also maintaining a consistent length of a "month"

[@varyolla435]

_"Gravity"............_ = consistent with its' size/mass. Moral: stellar objects of sufficient size/mass generate their own gravity fields. These then can exert themselves if strong enough upon objects in proximity to them. Jupiter is larger than the Earth. One of its' moon - Io - is similar in size to our own Moon. Thus Jupiter's increased gravity field relative to Earth's is strong enough to "stretch" Io causing ruptures in its' frozen surface and _"ice blows"_ from the water beneath. Yet Io is large enough with its' own gravity to resist being pulled entirely into Jupiter = hence competing gravity fields which create "balance" leaving Io in orbit. So the Moon is large enough to not be pulled into the Earth while it is conversely large enough for the Sun's gravity which holds the Earth in orbit to the Sun to exert a countering force pulling upon the Moon. The force of the Moon's gravity field is enough to cause our ocean tides as it is exerting itself on the closest object - the Earth. Oceans being water are fluidic and hence susceptible to that weak "pull" causing our tides - but not strong enough to pull our oceans from the surface of the Earth as the Earth's own gravity field prevents it. It all comes down to = gravity........ p.s. - the Moon is slowly slipping away from the Earth's orbit - but its' 'drift" is tiny so that it will take billions of years before it finally halts that progression.

[@Delta71]

One thing that I, as a fiction writer, love about these kinds of conspiracies, is working out a planet that would work like this, let it go for a couple million years, and then have characters interact with it. It always grants impressive worlds, and has been a fun thought experiment each time.

[@katsucandy]

Oh yeah, batshit conspiracies are orange juice to the creative mind lmao love to use their half assed world building as writing inspiration, they're like writing prompts on crack

[@mosescheung5794]

main character: man this planet is so fucking massive there are people living everywhere on this planet the one nerd friend of the mc: this used to be one civilization btw mc: the fuck you mean one civilization they live thousands of miles apart

[@dreamfeatherbolts]

I've told my friends many times when listening to YTers like Gabi Belle going over Ancient Aliens that "Oh these would be FANTASTIC ideas for DND campaigns" and then going over logistics of how it would work in the DNDverse.

[@Titleknown]

​@@katsucandySee also, the whole "there are no real trees" one.

[@LunaTheMoonWitch]

@@dreamfeatherbolts Yes, yes. I have some inspiration drawn from conspiracy theories for my DnD campaigns. Now I just need to either get a friend that has DnD, or buy it myself, and play it...

[@29jgirl92]

Kindergarten teacher here- if the Growing Earth Theory is real, why did a four year old call me "a big stinky poo poo head" yesterday? Okay fine maybe I have nothing to add, but I have been wondering about this...

[@Emmieloj]

If the earth is growing, then wouldn't we as humans appear proportionally smaller over time? So to fact-check the Growing Earth Theory, you could look up the kid i 40 years time, and if they call you "a medium stinky poo poo head" then we'll know the theory was right.

[@Blitzmagee]

​@@Emmielojhumans could grow larger over time. As the earth grows, gravity would decrease. It isn't gaining mass, but losing density.

[@hotscottrulz]

Have you considered that you might actually be a "big stinky poo poo head"? Maybe thr kids know something we don't. Really makes you think.

[@COYI_WHU]

​@@Blitzmagee are you suggesting that if this theory is true, the earth would be getting hollowed out or not. If not then it would be gaining mass and therefore have an equal gravity assuming the mass to size gain stayed at a balanced level.

[@Blitzmagee]

@COYI_WHU to accept that the Earth is expanding, or has gone through expansion is relatively recent geological time, it would either have to be hollowing out, or gaining significant mass from some external source.

[@cesareangeli6653]

Dear Milo, I think you are missing a lot about this theory. As a geophysicist, I had the great (dis)pleasure to see at conferences people that are technically educated in physics and think that this works. One such guy, G. Scalera, which somehow had a job in a real (and otherwise extremely good) geophysical institution. He vehemently defends this, proclaims that plate tectonic is "too simple" to be true. But the absolute cherry on top is the "physical" mechanism that he proposes: he mixes Bernoulli's and Newton's philosophyical speculations with a misinterpretation of Dirac's models and recent experiments. The conclusion is that "we cannot exclude that future physics will make sense of the mechanism". There was a paper where he put some formulas about it and it is the most brilliant example of "maths salad" I can find anywhere. Look for something called "hydrodynamic gravitation", it is hilarious.

[@suspectsn0thing]

"We cannot exclude" is doing enough heavy lifting there that it could be the source of energy that would be needed to make the planet spontaneously grow.

[@eliartistik]

It feels exactly like a doctor being antivaxxer

[@tessertheyoutuber1100]

Dr. PhD dude has never heard of Occam's razor.

[@Isometrix116]

As a physicist, I have to ask where the _hell_ did Dirac's model make it into this? For those who aren't horrific nerds, Dirac is a very famous physicist because he modeled relativistic (very zoomie) subatomic particles/waves (they're the same thing. Don't think about it too hard. It hurts) and a few equations to model it. There's some other stuff that goes into it that's really interesting, but the point is that he is applying stuff from subatomic particles to macroscopic phenomena when we know and lament the fact that the two rarely line up because "smol stuff gets weird™" Edit: okay, I found his paper and... "Analysis of the problem of storage of aether entering celestial bodies led to a hydrodynamic explanation of gravitation which in turn was found to be closely related to the expanding Earth and to several other phenomena" WHAT THE F- I could not find a single point where this man proved that the aether existed. I am so confused. The aether is an old idea that comes from the fact that light is a wave, therefore it should have a medium! But then we found out about wave particle duality and, despite our best efforts, we couldn't find any evidence of a medium, which should be readily apparent because light should be moving through it. But it's not. He also references "tired light" as a similar "theory". The thing is, tired light is an all but disproven idea. It had some stuff about it being falsified, but it also just didn't work. The entire thought process was flawed so it's been scrapped. Yet, he decides to overtly say he is going with the same thought process. It's insane. Don't get me wrong, I love weird and wacky ideas in physics. Usually, they don't work out, but that's fine because we seriously don't know what does and doesn't work until we ask the questions. But the important part of that is being okay with dropping ideas that just don't work and moving on. He clearly missed that part.

[@chrisarbour]

It's wild that he has a job at an actual institute of science after proposing that. However, it's not like they can fire him for it. Would fall under wrongful termination based on personal belief unfortunately.

[@johnburns2940]

All I can say to refute ALL OF THIS, is, That is a beautiful studio you are recording in. Nice old school paneling, nice millwork and design proportions.

[@maxweaver5589]

hello, I am a geologist, and I just want to clarify something at 22:35. Actually the reason that the onceanic crust subducts is not only because of the force behind it- although there certainly is a lot of force behind it. We currently believe that subduction is driven by the weight of the end of the oceanic crust pulling the rest of the plate down behind it (although drag forces from mantle convection help, they don't impart a downward force). This is why Neil likely makes the point he does, except there is a problem with it (surprising I know). Granite is actually a fairly light rock, so when he says "twice as dense as granite", it's quite deceptive. The oceanic crust is made of basalt, which is more dense than granite, hence why the oceans are recycled but the continents are not. When basalt is subjected to extremely high temperatures and pressures in a subduction zone, it metamorphoses into a beautiful rock called eclogite, which is so dense that it's actually heavier than the mantle! this is how the crust is able to sink through the mantle despite it seeming like it should be impossible because it is so dense. Granite cannot undergo this transformation, so it (and the continents which are made of it) almost never subduct. if you hear that and wonder "well, if basalt can only transform into eclogite in a subduction zone, then how did the subduction zone form in the first place?" then you're right to do so. It's one of the biggest unsolved mysteries in modern geology. However just because we can't explain that doesn't invalidate ALL the other evidence we have for subduction (seismic tomography that shows the shape of sinking plates, fossilised subduction zones, high pressure metamorphism only possible in subduction zones), it just means we need to figure out how it started in the first place!

[@OlgaAndreyeva]

my theory is that the early earth was all molten > some parts were more dense and started sinking > over time the small differences in density became bigger. but also maybe it could be due to the moon impact? they recently found a huge chunk that has more gravity so is probably denser material.

[@GreenH0cker]

I’ll be honest and say that the growing Earth theory has always fascinated me, though I don’t think it denies plate tectonics. I think it is another factor. I can’t deny that it does provide an answer to a few things, - pre-historic animals being larger because of less gravity from less mass and a more dense concentration of oxygen in the atmosphere - so many places on continental crust that were clearly under water for millions and millions of years. But if continental crust is less dense than oceanic crust, then the continental crust should never have been in the position of being under water… unless there was something that caused the Earth to grow so much to displace the water Now, I can’t and won’t deny that plate tectonics exist. My idea of the growing Earth theory rests on accretion, rather than some sort of magical-thinking explanation. If it wasn’t about a matter of accretion, then the oceanic crust would be made of a very similar composition to the continental crust

[@anhhh5838]

⁠@@GreenH0ckerthere did used to be a higher concentration of oxygen in the atmosphere but it only (directly) affected the sizes of insects as the way their respiratory system works is very different to ours, to oversimplify it a bit they basically breathe through the entire surface of their body, so with more oxygen around they grew bigger so that they had a larger surface area to “breathe” through and take advantage of the extra oxygen, in terms of the lower gravity thing it just doesn’t make sense as if the earth was smaller but contained the same amount of mass the gravity would actually be higher, and if the earth was smaller both in terms of size and mass then not only would the growing earth theory break the first law of thermodynamics as was stated in the video, but the gravity wouldn’t necessarily be lower, it would depend on the ratio of earths size to its mass, and since this theory never gives us any evidence that we could use to get an idea of that ratio at any point during earths history we can’t actually say that gravity would be lower. (Also even if it was the whole point about dinosaur sizes is irrelevant anyway, as none of our current reasons for why dinosaurs could grow so big rely on plate tectonics being a thing, the growing earth theory doesn’t need to explain dinosaur sizes because that’s not something relying on plate tectonics, the theory has to explain things like the formations of mountains because it directly contradicts plate tectonics, which we know for a fact are the reason mountains are formed). Your second point about the oceans over continental crusts is actually explained by Milo in the latter half of the video so I’d suggest rewatching it as he explains it better than I ever could

[@anhhh5838]

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@GreenH0ckerand I don’t understand your point about accretion, why would it be impossible for the oceanic crust to have a different composition to the continental crust if it isn’t due to the planet growing from accretion? I’m not an astrophysicist or anything but surely the only place the new matter could be coming from is space, which would not be affecting the makeup of the crusts as a whole but just the surface? For the matter to come from anywhere else would mean it is breaking the laws of thermodynamics as new matter can’t just appear out of nowhere, and if it isn’t coming from space it must be coming from inside the earth, which is not possible, or would have to be not accretion but instead a spreading out of the material that is already here, which would mean gravity was actually stronger back in the past as the earths mass would be the same just condensed into a smaller spheroid

[@davidhale2682]

So if the ancient earth was a giant ball of liquid metal, is granite the slag that wouldn't sink?

[@jonathanwebster7091]

Neal dies and he arrives at the gates of heaven, where he meets God. Neal: "I want to know all that is knowable" God: "Okay, ask away" Neal: "How did the continents form in the way they did?" God: "Oh, thats easy, plate tectonics" Neal: (audible gasp)"this conspiracy went even higher than I thought!"

[@ChelseyK1ng]

amazing

[@bretsheeley4034]

Scientists quietly hand God a check.

[@Al_-cf1dj]

That's pretty insensitive, maybe don't make jokes about someone's still kinda recent passing after explicitly being told by Milo not to do that. Idk, the joke isn't even that funny to justify the setup

[@chuch541]

Spit my coffee out, ty.

[@junkabella6324]

Do i have permission to make a comic out of this?! 😂

[@RedRightHandInk]

Tattoo artist here. I have to tightly stretch the skin to get it smooth and taut while I work. This smooths out any wrinkles, or, "mountains." Stretching smooths mountains and valleys out, it doesn't make them.

[@maksrambe3812]

I think this would depend on the properties of the material. Skin can stretch a bit so the lower layers will be under tension while the top flattens, but rock will either break apart or compress at the edge. The problem is that this compression would look like this weird pattern of buckling along the whole surface of a continent and not mountain ranges. The best example I can think of is the surface of tempered glass.

[@whtalt92]

@@maksrambe3812 Debunked easily. The suggestion was that land mass would collide on the edges while being 'flattened' because less curvature. While it is growing. Which would negate the entire argument of the edges colliding.

[@SecretzChannel]

Upper crust must shorten on an expanding earth. Bend and stretch your index finger to see how mountains are formed.

[@anonymouscausewhynot]

High school student who has geography class here: In Spain, more specifically the Pirineos (the mountains that serve as a natural border between us and France), we have found oceanic rocks at the top. If mountain are formed by the breaking down of already placed rock, how did oceanic rocks get to there?

[@isaacthered]

Biochemistry undergraduate here. Different species of land vertebrates have almost have the same amount of salt in their blood. This salt content is pretty different from that of the current-day ocean, but it _is_ what we would expect the salt content of the ocean to look like during the Paleozoic, when the first land-based life evolved, with the later erosion of mineral salts into the ocean causing the discrepancy. If this the oceans didn't exist until after the dinosaurs, either every land animal coincidentially evolved a blood makeup that fits our theories of how an ancient ocean would change over time really well, or those shallow seas eroded way more salt than should be feasible with their small size.

[@charlietaube4026]

So were as salty as we are because that was the saltiness of the sea the last time we lived there full time, that is so cool! Do aquatic vertebrates derived from land vertebrates like whales, marine iguanas, and sea snakes have high salt content due to adapting to a saltier ocean?

[@isaacthered]

@@charlietaube4026 No; marine mammals just have really good kidneys.

[@jillbaldwin3005]

Nice.

[@MrKekkisSergio]

"Damn, have to take a break from Batman: Odyssey. Neal Adams's writing is too insane to muster" "Oh, a new Miniminuteman video, nice!" "...oh no"

[@Henrex2000]

oops

[@mimisezlol]

Now that's a remarkable coincidence

[@Theonederboy]

I clicked on the video and then heard Neal Adams, and thought “weird he has the same name of the guy who did the old DC art from the early 70s”, and then I find it is that Neal Adams is weird asf.

[@A_Commenting_Pog_Face]

Let's hope Jim Aparo didn't believe in crack pot theories like this otherwise I'm gonna have 2 artists I used to like be rly weird

[@Elsenoromniano]

​@@A_Commenting_Pog_FaceI don't mind artists I like being weird, but I want them to "believe they are a real world wizard who makes fun of other people for believing they are real life wizards in the wrong way" kind of weird no "nutjob conspiracy theorist" weird. Also it's just strange that the first can apply to at least two very famous and well regarded British comic book artists.

[@LJCyrus1]

As someone who works in IT, and remotely interacts with computers multiple time zones apart, I cannot help but wonder whether we would have needed to add more timezones, if the earth was expanding.

[@Reac2]

If the rotation speed changed, yes. If not (though it would if earth just magically gained mass) then funnily enough not. Since the time zones would still get the same amount of sunlight

[@nessa-parmentier]

@@Reac2 yeah, you'd need to expand the time zones as the planet grew, but not add more of them

[@radekdrayco]

One would also wonder, what about all those oceanic undersea data cables? Maybe not enough time has passed for them to stretch and break.