Call it cheese or not, this is good stuff, thanks for the vid man :D
@Helenar_vr11 ай бұрын
Cool strat! I think the ‘no cheese’ in the thumbnail is a misnomer, as I’d say this strat is the definition of cheese
@vinegar35811 ай бұрын
It removes rng annoyance of getting lavae spawning cycle instead of enraging which makes the fight super long. It also removes guaranteed hit after that spawning cycle. For me it just speeds up the fight as it's nothing special in the first place either way, you just do 6 hits and dodge, this boss is just a damage sponge, having 27500 hp with basically no special attacks
@Hexagrontley11 ай бұрын
@@vinegar358which. Is cheesing..
@dexobj11 ай бұрын
@@vinegar358 Very nice strat. But I have to agree with op about the misnomer. You said dfly has no "special attack", but her special attack IS the lavae. The wall alone is a cheese strat. Shifting the arena center on top of that essentially breaks her.
@vinegar35811 ай бұрын
@@dexobj it doesn't break her. It's the same amount of cheese as the classic strategy but faster and safer
@lks1911 ай бұрын
Well, again, this discussion. I was arguing with someone and after I was convinced that walls and flute are indeed cheese, from now on I only fight df without walls and flute. It's quite a fun fight.
@Ryusuta10 ай бұрын
This was very, very helpful, and finally gave me a clear, simple understanding of how to do the boss fight effectively. Much appreciated!
@notgabriel862411 ай бұрын
I’d say 80% of this is cheese lol but that’s not a bad thing. Really cool strategy! I wonder why she changes her arena boundaries like that
@vinegar35811 ай бұрын
Idk where are 80% came from as 80% she was aggroed on me. This just saves you some time, if you block the lavae with classic strat you can also count this as cheese. I also don't know the reason why the center shifts like that, but it seems to be an intended feature
@Rudy13711 ай бұрын
@@vinegar358the og wall metod is a cheese to be honest lol
@ozylocz407811 ай бұрын
The wall method IS cheese… nothing wrong with using more of it in this game. We just gotta call it how it is, and this is definitely cheese lol
@vinegar35811 ай бұрын
@@Rudy137 cheesing is beating the boss with no effort. Here you still need to know how to kite properly to do this without healing. While I do agree that it's not really cool to remove the boss ability to do X but with this boss it's a different story. Doing no walls strategy on characters who can't 1 cycle lavae(without animation cancelling) require a shit ton of armor and healing because they will stockpile you which becomes impossible to kite so you might as well just use 12 walls and call it a day at this point. You want to kill this boss approximately on day 10-15 to also have some time for ruins before winter starts. Will this boss loot be worth it if they nerf the wall method and leave lavae damage and health the same? No. I'm not the fan of using unintended ways but this boss is an exception because I either do it that way or don't do it at all
@Rudy13711 ай бұрын
@@vinegar358 I mean not dealing with her minions removes some od the effort u have to put on fighting dfly lol
@MisterBones2235 ай бұрын
Wormwood with night armor, a pan flute, dark swords and some cactus/compost wraps can tank it tbh My favorite method lol
@Alias02253 ай бұрын
People like myself like to kill dfly before day 10. Tanking requires much more resources. The amount of time it would take for you to gather armor and healing can be more than just simply kiting. Tanking can be a good strategy depending on the scenario. Deerclops campfire tank is better than kiting.
@moat_n_coat11 ай бұрын
Blocking lavae is cheesing, but so is using panflute to stop enraged form. Whether you agree or disagree with me, I can say for sure that nobody wants to fight dfly the "normal" way which is without doing any of what I said earlier. Your choice... I'd say that "intended" way to deal with lavae is to freeze them with an ice staff and using panflute is intended way to skip enraged form but whatever... Cool strategy, liked it!
@ScrubxxLord11 ай бұрын
really handy to know, thanks for the detailed guide
@JellySapinho11 ай бұрын
Thanks for teaching your ways, our savior vinegar358! 🙏
@CraniumMaddoo11 ай бұрын
This is badass thanks for sharing!
@smellybearc741111 ай бұрын
Cool strategy. But I feel like the easiest way to kill dfly is actually tanking with marble suits. You probably get the same dps. This way is cheaper tho
@borgedd4 ай бұрын
this really teached me alot about getting good at killing bosses i used to always craft shit ton of marble armor and football helmets and just tank the damage for almost every single boss safe to say that this strat is wayy less than the resource dump that i use
@pudimfilms11 ай бұрын
Well you could have more lanterns
@astrilume5 ай бұрын
this is kinda weird to me if the larvae don't see the magma pool as a object why are they attacking you instead of running into the pool because they path around walls
@swiyss11 ай бұрын
armored bearger can solo her if you wanna skip the whole fight, but it requires rifts open and a bearger to show up.
@vinegar35811 ай бұрын
You have to like... wait till day 75 before the bearger comes and it's the first time I'm hearing about armored bearger. This is called "easiest way" because it decreases the difficulty of the fight and has basically the lowest fight preparation requirements, unless you do this as a weremoose or something which is very limited
@swiyss11 ай бұрын
@@vinegar358 if you already did late -game stuff. armored bearger is the easiest way I killed it.
@vinegar35811 ай бұрын
Idk why would you need to farm dragonfly in late game. If you wanna gems you can just do fuelweaver ruins cycle as it gives a lot more gems and other stuff too, if you want scales you can duplicate them with construction amulet/deconstruction staff via the turf
@swiyss11 ай бұрын
@@vinegar358 because killing bosses repeatedly is the only way to play the late game. The other alternative is to mega base, but if you wanna build I would reccomend minecraft or factorio. The game has so many of these little core flaws that I resided to cheese strats so I wouldn't lose my mind over trying to make this game make sense.
@Hexagrontley11 ай бұрын
okay no I need to make a comment. cheesing doesn't just mean doing something that makes the fight easier, or require no effort. it's using mechanics that weren't intended to be used, including bugs. blocking off the lavae in any way is cheesing. you're abusing mob pathing AI in order to make the fight easier. something like panfluting isn't cheesing as its intended.
@vinegar35811 ай бұрын
Thanks for making a comment, very appreciated
@loopuleasa2 ай бұрын
this is not cheese, this is clever
@not_umbre2 ай бұрын
No, I'm pretty sure taking advantage of an unintended strat to make something easier is the definition of "cheese"
@loopuleasa2 ай бұрын
@@not_umbre no cheese is when you trivialize the boss for instance how wendy can make toadstool AI bug and not do anything, or when you use flingo to make toadstool not move at all this is not cheese, as you still need to fight dfly and kite him
@elChuchmay11 ай бұрын
Still dont get how freezing or sleeping makes the df move her arena.
@JasonJA888 ай бұрын
7:33 how did you drop the lantern without using your mouse
@vinegar3588 ай бұрын
Hold shift and press an inventory key I believe
@Alias02253 ай бұрын
This is an interesting strat. I rush dfly on pubs all the time and usually kill her before day 6 ( my personal best being day 3 ).
@Domegraton4 ай бұрын
I rushed d fly on day 4 with this lmao, free scaled furnace
@chova583518 күн бұрын
I hit 6 times and it still moves while attacking and I get hit. just went back home to heal my wounds
@vinegar35817 күн бұрын
@@chova5835 you may have been moving too far so you can't land the next hits fast enough. In the case where you get hit you need to attack 8 times, I think it's noted in the video too. I assume you weren't animation canceling since this is obviously a faster hit rate and solution to the problem is trivial
@vinegar35817 күн бұрын
@@chova5835 8:18 this is a way to adjust your hit rate back
@LeeLeo-sh3vp10 ай бұрын
well, i'm wondering why the dragonfly only spawn in one lava pool. anybody who can tell me why?
@SapoProject6 ай бұрын
I don't know exactly because I've never looked at the code of the game, but I guess when she enters the lavae phase, she checks nearby ponds in a range. If she's far enough, she'll only detect one of them.
@azd26554 ай бұрын
Is it works on mobile?
@GoldenDaemonas11 ай бұрын
Really Cool didnt know about that one
@CipherDst11 ай бұрын
You're a genius!
@mothaiba802011 ай бұрын
one month ago by salem in his dragonfly speedrun vid
@vinegar35811 ай бұрын
I knew there's going to be a video that youtube won't index for me. Ig I'm gonna credit his video. Thanks for the info
@agenerikusername280211 ай бұрын
Really useful, thanks
@pudimfilms11 ай бұрын
"no cheese" and then proceeds to cheesing haha. But cool video tho!
@vinegar35811 ай бұрын
Blocking lavae = cheesing
@l-r162211 ай бұрын
Can i use some endothermic fire?
@vinegar35811 ай бұрын
If you mean put it to light up the area in the night ig you can. It would be even better than lantern as it provides more light. Default fire campfires also should work
@alexowo84086 ай бұрын
@@vinegar358 I'd suggest a north star tbh, I've rushed the ruins before beating the dragon fly and got my hands on multiple staffs and magiluminance
This is just the same strategy with cooler wall placement and you have a lesser chance of getting damaged
@vinegar35811 ай бұрын
This decreases the length of the fight in half so worth it imo
@pr0npon11 ай бұрын
I almost did that on survival server but ping is jumped to 120 💀💀
@Iforgotmyname1034 ай бұрын
1000 iq by using cheese
@MuchuutheSensible11 ай бұрын
LetMeSoloHer
@Rudy13711 ай бұрын
Nifty
@themjbrothers653611 ай бұрын
This is the old wall and sign thing but with no signs and walls (block the larvae, focus on dragonfly and kite properly, etc). Also a cheese method is just a way of doing something that requires less skill, not no skill. That being said, kiting attacks honestly isn’t that hard so this is basically a cheese Also please stop telling everyone and correcting them saying it’s not a cheese method because it is and they all know it. Blocking the random rng of larvae spawning everywhere is still making the fight easier which ultimately results in this fight being a cheese.
@vinegar35811 ай бұрын
Everybody has a thing called opinion and my opinion states that this isn't cheesing therefore no cheese will remain in thumbnail. You can call using pan flute on its own a cheese since it decreases difficulty of the fight as well
@themjbrothers653611 ай бұрын
I agree, but the majority of the community says it is cheese so I would still recommend changing the thumbnail to say this strategy has little cheese
@TheLifeLaVita11 ай бұрын
looks like you finally realized you were indeed cheesing since you changed the thumbnail. Whether you believe it or not, at least you're not clickbaiting 👍
@vinegar35811 ай бұрын
@@TheLifeLaVita well when people upload classic wall strategy they don't claim their videos to be CHEESE STRATEGY and this is essentially the same amount of cheese so I just changed "no" to "some". I'd rather never mentioned the word cheese here as half of the comments about it
@TheLifeLaVita11 ай бұрын
they don't mention it because everyone knows it's cheese, it's the "NO cheese" that's a problem because it isn't true, if you saw a youtube video with no cheese and the walls then it was wrong :D@@vinegar358
@Shacklez11 ай бұрын
Yo? nice stuff
@agentf6726 ай бұрын
This is hardly the easiest. Cheapest anf fastest, yes, but not "easiest".
@vinegar3586 ай бұрын
The easiest you can get is with gunpowder of course but here you have the best ratio between resources and difficulty of the fight, usual wall strat always gets you hit after DF spawns the larvae unless you have a lot of speed bonus/ice staff and you don't get a lot of free hits too like here
@micz324211 ай бұрын
cool strat now wilson can deafeat wilson fly with wilson flys babies: wilsonarves