The Easy Answers of YouTube Conservatism

[@RoamingAdhocrat]

"I hate lead poisoning, but shouting 'the lead water pipes are poisoning people' doesn't help combat lead poisoning. You have to show me individual instances of lead poisoning and we can treat them together. What I find really problematic is the virtue-signalling from the other side saying that there's something wrong with our plumbing system here."

[@rust44]

Conservatives will always misuse the term virtue signalling.

[@mangalores-x_x]

@@rust44 It often enough it seems to mean "half way decent people do something decent for a change. Stop them!"

[@ScorpionViper1001]

@@rust44 They cannot imagine people sincerely holding virtues different to theirs.

[@MissEliza99]

Excellent analogy! 😆

[@dannyarcher438]

So you say we shouldn't locate specific pipes that are causing the lead poisoning and replace them? We should just scream and protest that lead poisoning is a problem? You are right. It's only bigots and morons who want to fix the specific problematic pipes. Let's form 67 committees to discus the broad subject of lead poisoning. Did you already post 200 posts on Twitter about this problem?

[@yaketysaks]

Ben Shapiro is the kid who says “Gun beats everything” when playing Rock Paper Scissors

[@botodin6979]

And say Time Out right before you tag him

[@MrZauberelefant]

@@botodin6979 "rules don't care about your feelings" - ends up in the litter bin.

[@avf6532]

Uhh my rock can still beat your paper in the market place of ideas 🤓

[@nunyabiz012]

And another kid without the baggage of political bias of the bystanders observing, would be celebrated as “thinking outside the box”.

[@MrZauberelefant]

@@nunyabiz012 except Shapiro is clearly thinking inside the box laid out by his billionaire overlords...

[@Advent3546]

To quote a News Dude whose video is right in my recommends, "Perhaps Ben Shapiro shouldn't be taken seriously by anyone about anything"

[@rickardkaufman3988]

Is that Cody Johnston?

[@genieglasslamp5028]

@@rickardkaufman3988 Yes. And the video he did was amazing.

[@Advent3546]

@Hans Hanzo Especially because of that. The boar menace must be stopped

[@d.rabbitwhite]

@Hans Hanzo I think 'bore menace' is more appropriate. Have we not wronged animals enough?

[@phangkuanhoong7967]

that's one of my favourites. XD

[@nicholasrodriguez5578]

Ben Shapiro is a genius. I wish I had thought of making a career out of only debating college students.

[@spindoctor358]

You also have to be good at dodging debate offers from actual experts while convincing your audience that your opponents are the ones running scared instead. You might need funds from fracking billionaires though.

[@cornupswar]

@@insomniad2514 It's like he plays a video game on the easiest difficulty then he claims he is the best player. When he plays on the hardest difficulty, he blames the game for being unfair.

[@supremeleaderarmy9164]

@@cornupswar I take it u play video games.....

[@moosesandmeese969]

You don't even have to win the debate either, you just make sure you throw some abrasive lines in there, upload it to KZbin with a clickbait title, and let right wing KZbin eat it up

[@supremeleaderarmy9164]

@@moosesandmeese969 The left thinks there is more than 2 genders, lmfaoo

[@LauraGrrrr5370]

"Shooting black 12 year olds" = "proactive policing" My German Shepherd just ran behind the couch, that dogwhistle is so loud

[@spindoctor358]

Which remind me, Bench Appearo wrote a putrid political fic called "True Allegiance" where in one chapter black activist group somehow are conspiring to trick a cop into murdering innocent child whom he thought had a gun. Sounds familiar?

[@AYouTubeCommentator]

Spin Doctor did you see Josés book review of Ben Shapiros book "True Allegiance"?

[@Thor.Jorgensen]

A good joke and all but I don't think that's a dog whistle. Otherwise, you're going to have to explain it to me. What's the hidden message?

[@lordpiggington5259]

@@spindoctor358 I know In his book the BLM protests about a murdered black 8 year old are bad but a Woman who commits a bombing is a good person because it was against the EPA

[@jurtra9090]

@@lordpiggington5259 BRETT HAWTHORNE

[@starmaker75]

Ever time I think of Ben Shapiro I think of him walking out of a talk because Andrew Neil( an British right winger)was being an “left winger” that he couldn’t handle.

[@vashtilantigua908]

Star maker 75 me too😂😂

[@forcea1454]

The moment he had deal with even a minor amount of critical questioning he had a tantrum.

[@pseudonayme7717]

That was hilarious 🤣😂

[@Naheed_Ahmed14]

Holy fuck I still can't get over the fact that he called Neil a left winger. Neil in his autobiography said that Thatcher didn't go "far enough" when it came to her cuts.

[@ParabolicBox]

In American conservatism, disagreement is leftist lol

[@luciddreams7976]

🙋🏾‍♀️I have a brother that was locked up because of child support for 6 MONTHS WAITING FOR A TRIAL when he finally got one he got off on time served (THIS IS THE STATE OF VIRGINIA BTW) "Saying that EVERYONE whose in jail already had a trial" Is the boldest of boldface lies that have ever been told🤦🏾‍♀️. There are mfs locked up right now as I type this STILL WAITING for a trial & have been in jail for months & YEARS at a time. 3 Arrows baby if that was ignorance then he needs to get his shit together & do some research.

[@elvingearmasterirma7241]

Oof. I hope your brother is doing better now. He didn't deserve that.

[@KateeAngel]

Jail system in the USA seems terrible. Poor people are locked for a long time, but rich can just buy their way out

[@luciddreams7976]

@@KateeAngel its always been like that we're not poor but yes a LOT of poor people are still in jail because they cant afford bail

[@luciddreams7976]

@@elvingearmasterirma7241 he's fine doing much better now 😊 thanks for the concern! I appreciate it

[@SlaughterHouseEducation]

THIS. God that pissed me off. 'Everyone in jail has been to trial' WHAT. NO. That's not how things work in the US, fucking, at ALL. I hope your bro is in a better spot - jail time for child support is fucking stupid and counterproductive as hell.

[@SeanKL107]

“Edward Jarvis Realized that the New England Journal of Medicine had actually published cringe.”

[@unknownusername5111]

You've posted cringe, you're going to lose academic credibility

[@pseudonayme7717]

Mainstream media is cringe in general, that's why we watch Three Arrows(amongst others)✌

[@sofia.eris.bauhaus]

@@pseudonayme7717 medical journals are not mainstream media 🙄…

[@OsefKincaid]

I had to stop the video to come lol at this quote in the comments

[@pseudonayme7717]

@@sofia.eris.bauhaus I am aware. I was making a seperate but connected point, thanks👍

[@BazzBrother]

shapiro states a statistic and says its true, an audience member says the statistics are otherwise, and shepiros defense is "sorry, you have to show us the statistics or else its not true" does this not apply to him?

[@buggerall]

That's the lawyer in him right there. He knows that winning this only has to last the length of the discussion.

[@juhlsghouls]

Because he pulls ALL his “facts” out of his ass and if facts actually mattered he wouldn’t use any true facts at all. I guess he just assumes people do the same?

[@disappointingperson9162]

He uses his platform to deceive and indoctrinate. Facts don't actually matter to them.

[@rust44]

Also the burden of proof is on him not only cause he’s making the initial claim but because he’s a lawyer and an authority in that room.

[@timediverx]

Exactly. Shifting of the burden of proof is weak.

[@Dr.MikeGranato]

Ben Shapiro, the purely emotionally based conservative who likes to scream “data,” “evidence,” “FACTS,” etc. He is quite literally the kind of person Dunning and Kruger wrote about

[@Ugly_German_Truths]

But you don't understand. He LOVES facts. If they correlate with how he feels.

[@AliceDiableaux]

Don't forget the most ironic fact that he's hardcore orthodox in his Jewish faith. Nothing more objective, reasonable and factual than intense religiosity.

[@lylewalker5681]

Too dumb to know how dumb he is. A classic logical trap.

[@bierrollerful]

'Facts!' is the new 'Amen!' That's a fact btw.

[@Alex-cw3rz]

@@AliceDiableaux what you said is just silly, you know the big bang theory was discovered by Georges Lemaître a priest..... you can't get much more orthodox than that. Theology and Philosophy do not have core facts, science is a different subject. You trying to pretend Atheism = fact, is exceptionally stupid, the true answer is we don't know, but acting as if you are know more because of believing in nothing is laughable, just as (more so because of how insolent you are) you would do with people who believe in something.

[@alexhobbs2352]

'I'm a libertarian' 'Proactive policing' Pick one, Ben

[@Kobolds_in_a_trenchcoat]

@@bosstowndynamics5488 it shouldn't matter if they are gang members if they haven't actually committed any crimes...

[@cgg2621]

Is this a joke about how anarchists used to/sometimes still use the word libertarian? Cause right wing American libertarians typically exclude the police from their beliefs, as long as they are only policing violent crime, theft, etc and not stuff libertarians think should be legal.

[@jeffersonclippership2588]

@@bosstowndynamics5488 Exactly. To conservatives, and fascists, freedom and tyranny are about who, not what.

[@Quetzocotol]

@@cgg2621 I mean, policing violent crime and theft is one thing, but proactive policing seems contrary to even right-wing libertarian thought. It's pure authoritarianism.

[@Medhead101]

I don't think he's a libertarian. He's more of a neo-con

[@carnibenz8217]

Anti-Drug Abuse Act of 1986: I'm not racist bro I have black friends

[@LadyTylerBioRodriguez]

60 plus minutes on Bennie Shapiro? Guess I hate myself enough to enjoy this.

[@Akumasama]

Just think of it as 60 plus minutes of three arrows.

[@LadyTylerBioRodriguez]

@@Akumasama I'm now imagining Three Arrows hosting 60 Minutes and I like the image.

[@Kobolds_in_a_trenchcoat]

@@Akumasama or 60 minutes of hating ben Shapiro

[@FieldMarshalFry]

I just remind myself Ben had a temper tantrum when Andrew Neil asked him a question

[@LadyTylerBioRodriguez]

@@FieldMarshalFry He lost to a conservative with very little integrity. It was like seeing Tucker Carson lose to Glenn Beck.

[@o0Avalon0o]

I'm so frustrated with the yt radical right pipeline. It 100% messed with my family's heads & if I didn't have a childhood with a surprisingly good teachers & unique friends, I would've ended up the same.

[@goosewithagibus]

I ended up in it and was brainwashed by right wing grifters for years in my teens. It wasn't until around when I was 19 that everything started to fall apart. Then for 2 years I was in a weird limbo of contradicting viewpoints before finally getting super redpilled into socialism during the 2020 election. Now I'm 23 and a communist lol. I just hope more people can pull themselves out of the pipeline. I've met quite a few people irl who had the same exact shit happen to them. So it gives me some hope.

[@pascualsmithvaldes9038]

@@goosewithagibus Hard leftist (from Chile) living in Chile. I reaally feel you

[@cardboardking577]

@@pascualsmithvaldes9038 how do you feel about helicopters (I had to say it)

[@cnjor2331]

Everybody talks about radical/alt right pipeline and how "it brainwashes" people but nobody will talk about alt/radical left pipeline

[@boijone8440]

@@goosewithagibus I'm not pro communism, socialism, or capitalism, honestly i think that we should stick with capitalism until we are able to sustain an abundance economy (we probably could right now), then we should implement a UBI and make the physiological needs of people a human right(housing, plumbing, electricity, sanitation, food, healthcare), but those are just opinions.

[@TheUglyAnswers]

"You have to show me WHO the racists are, so we can fight them together." One sec Ben let me grab a mirror.

[@SlaughterHouseEducation]

"Everyone in jail has had a trial and plea" FALSE! POINT OF ORDER THIS IS FALSE! In American you are often sent to jail after being arrested - so WHILE you still have the presumption of innocence, before you either take a plea deal or have a trial. And if you can't make bail... So that's a basic knowledge of the criminal justice system fail on his part. He is correct though that there are innocent people in jail, for this exact reaction I just described. Obviously, people are not sent to prison without a trial or plea - but jail and prison are different things. Again, basic criminal justice stuff that Ben doesn't understand and then spews onto his viewers.

[@jpe1]

SlaughterHouse Education you say “obviously jail and prison are different things” but that isn’t obvious to me at all... I look in my dictionary and under prison is says “a jail” and under jail it says “a prison” and I’ve always heard those terms used interchangeably. Can you point to an authoritative source that says they have different meanings? More importantly, do they have different meanings in common usage?

[@mofinebovine1597]

@@jpe1 the 2 terms are used interchangeably when referring to prison, but "prison" is specifically a holding facility for people that have been convicted of a crime. Being put in a holding cell after arrest but before conviction is going to gaol (or jail)."Prison" means implicitly that there has been a conviction while "jail" is more vague.

[@jpe1]

Mofine Bovine interesting. I know the facility in which I was incarcerated was officially called a “correctional institution” and all of the statutes and sentencing paperwork et cetera for my case never used the words “jail” or “prison” or “imprisonment” but always said “state correctional institution” and “incarceration”. Perhaps that was to avoid ambiguity of the words “jail” and “prison.”

[@katherinemorelle7115]

He’s a lawyer. He should know this. It’s a basic, well known fact.

[@likeguiltdoes]

@@jpe1 Generally speaking, my understanding is that there is also a layer of severity. Jail seems to be a more temporary situation (so lower level crimes, state level crimes) whereas prison is long term (higher level crimes/felonies, federal crimes). I've never heard of someone being in jail for years.

[@JSmusiqalthinka]

16:23-16:45: "The police don't round up people like in 1984/Brave New World/Nazis, therefore, no systemic oppression of any kind is happening at all."

[@fionafiona1146]

They however are, especially if you look at minority protests (against gas pipelines?) and 1930 Germany (before the power grab) the USA don't look good (brown shirts still having being tailored may bias me).

[@SlaughterHouseEducation]

Also it doesn't count if those people are brown, immigrants, children, or any combination thereof - MURICA

[@EbonyPhoenix]

If YoU CaN BuY a BiG Mac YoU ArN'T OpPrEsSeD!!!!

[@nob2243]

Seriously though, the level of strawmanning is unreal - so much so that it's not just a strawman anymore, but hyperbolizing your opponent's argument to the point of absurdity.

[@ScorpionViper1001]

@@EbonyPhoenix Given people are literally getting shot because they politely tell people they can't use the food court because of the plague, it suggests most conservatives really do hold freedom as "How much stuff can I buy?"

[@tvremote9394]

Let's just assume, hypothetically, that a socialist bar hostess agreed to send me feet pics

[@peterprime2140]

Benis when he finds out that the feet pics folder is full of pics of Charlie Kirk's face: "What in the goddamn-"

[@monkeibusiness]

i hate that i understood that

[@magolor7856]

@@monkeibusiness I don't understand it actually. I know it has to deal with AOC, but what's the joke? I'm lost.

[@eliasapollo4131]

@@magolor7856 it's a meme about how Ben is secretly simping for AOC

[@charliechaplin5240]

@@peterprime2140 *Bennie from New Vegas gas entered the cha*

[@heldengrab8312]

As a German I think it ist ironic that one of Nixons counsellors is named Ehrlichmann which in German means literally "honest man"

[@gehtdichnixan3200]

@Turanshah Hafizovitch Muradabubakarovthats a religion not an ethnic ....

[@peterprime2140]

@Turanshah Hafizovitch Muradabubakarov Implying that a Jew couldn't be a German? Hmmmm, why does that sound familiar...

[@heldengrab8312]

@Turanshah Hafizovitch Muradabubakarov what does that have to so with everything.

[@SonofSethoitae]

@@gehtdichnixan3200 Being Jewish is both a religious and an ethnic designation. Kind of like Yazidis, or Parsees in India.

[@SusCalvin]

This is why Warhammer Fantasy names in German are so fun.

[@shadowflame5007]

Really brings me back to my conservative days and how uninformed I really was. I can't believe I unironically liked this guy, Crowder and No BS too.

[@jaojao1768]

Oh dear, happy to hear you have changed

[@jotabeas22]

No BS? Ooof... glad to hear you're out of that cesspool.

[@uhtmilk5032]

I am still consevative but that No BS guy lmao

[@xImBeaST12321x]

I "liked" no BS when I was in gamergate and hated loud fat angry pink haired SJW's. I quickly was turned off by his content (most likely cause it's devoid of human discourse and the prime example of what it means to be driven by bullshit). Years later I can now see him as the empty brain dead white nationalists who don't know a single thing about policy or debate yet dog whistles to nazi's in every video.

[@clarkoption1941]

Good for you, life is better when you’re open minded and can evolve thought and realize you were wrong and as long as you change there is nothing wrong with that

[@surgeland9084]

Ben Shapiro reminds me of that one guy from highschool who read a book by Adam Smith and idolizes Winston Churchill, but doesn't really know much about the world, its inner functions or its past. He could speak fast and often about politics, so people called him smart, but if you challenged him with facts, he responded in frustration. You know who I mean. We all met someone like him, I think.

[@randyohm3445]

I've met a lot of libertarians like that. Sound smart until you ask them how literally anything would work in their perfect world, then you realize they have devoted zero thought to that and just want to wave it all away with "someone will pay for it once I don't have to."

[@roachofdoom1234]

It’s the guy who came to school in a suit everyday

[@starmaker75]

Monstrous Demon which is worse?

[@surgeland9084]

@Graphics don't matter GAMES do Hæ? What in hell are you talking about?

[@kevinarteaga3824]

Yuuup. Hell, I WAS that guy if I'm being honest. Looking back, I chalk my shitty attitude and smug sense of superiority up to the approval I received. The adults and teachers in the conservative atmosphere I grew up in were always so quick to praise me for having the "right" opinions, I couldn't help but let it go to my head. Over time, though, their approval meant less and less. I could eventually make up my own mind without worrying about how my conclusions would be judged. I learned how to admit that I was wrong without feeling like that was some kind of moral failure. Folks like Ben Shapiro, though? They cling to their adolescence. They get older, sure, but their minds are still fixated on the validation they received from winning a couple of debate tournaments when they were sixteen. It would be sad if they weren't such cancerous gremlins.

[@QuestionableObject]

Is it just me or is Ben's whole schtick just pretending that evidence doesn't exist? Actually is that just all of conservative youtube?

[@jacobford3452]

It's pretty much just all of American conservatism really.

[@Fuctmentality]

*"conservatism"

[@lennyjay8390]

Welcome to the post-truth-age

[@InquisitorThomas]

That and also loudly and rapidly spewing off prepared talking points against young college students that haven’t prepared for a debate and then declaring he wins because he overwhelms his “debate opponent.”

[@J4ckC4ver]

I think this is not just conservative. This seems more like a "I imagine the world I want" altitude. I have noticed it on a lot of people (yes the major part was conservative, but not all) that want the world to be in a certain way and had problems acknowledging differences and understanding that they do not know a lot. Maybe this is a human trait in general to keep "computation power" low? I have no idea, but these people usually mix their insecurities into their political theory, and that is a problem.

[@SamuraiMujuru]

"Where's the evidence of mass incarceration?" Bennie Ben Ben, my boy, there's news articles reporting on private for-profit prisons threatening to close if the state didn't provide a certain amount of convicts. The evidence is right there. Google is a thing, Ben.

[@SaraH-jn5db]

I just want once for one of the 18 year olds he's trying to argue with to pull out a folder full of studies and just start reading the abstracts to him for 3 hours, but he'd probably run off stage crying in rage long before that

[@cgg2621]

@@SaraH-jn5db He would talk over them and say "this is irrelevant, this is a wall of text, what's your point" and then cut them off before they could respond and move on to someone else. He cannot be productively engaged with in his natural habitat because he sets up everything so that he has disproportionate weight in the discussion.

[@SaraH-jn5db]

@@cgg2621 right, its hardly even a "debate" when he's allowed to cut them off at any point and has control over the entire situation, absolutely the reason he will only debate college students. He's a coward

[@spindoctor358]

He already twisted the term "mass incarceration" into something that it isn't to in order to disprove it. Either he's maliciously stupid or he's lying.

[@e.458]

@@cgg2621 and the appropriate answer for that would be: No, that's the facts that YOUR FEELINGS don't care about.

[@Calpsotoma]

I like Three Arrows, but wish his videos didn't require me to listen to Ben Shapiro for 15 minutes.

[@d.rabbitwhite]

But Three arrows did the hardest part of listening to ALL of BS.

[@sherkas_merfolovskiy]

It's like a vaccine. You need some quantity of virus to make it really useful.

[@KingBobXVI]

It's annoying, but necessary - it's what separates left wing content from the alt-right nonsense. Instead of "here's Shapiro making his argument..", they do, "Let ME tell you what SJW's think and why it's stupid". Providing the point being argued against up front and sticking to that specific argument is an important step to avoiding beating on a straw man.

[@driziiD]

+1

[@Alexander_Kale]

How would THAT of all things be your main problem? Unless he is making a religion related argument, Shapiro is quickwitted, eloquent and the sheer speed at which he talks has genuinely allowed me to become better in understanding native engish speakers. The sad thing is not how he says things, but how he is apparently quite dishonest. Though to be fair, there is some dishonesty in this video as well.

[@ProfessorFlowers]

Ben Shapiro: "Facts don't care about your feelings!" Also Ben Shapiro: *Uses statements that are factually untrue to support his argument.* I love this video 🖤

[@bierrollerful]

I wonder how Ben's feelings care about the facts in this video.

[@Thor.Jorgensen]

Ben Shapiro: "Facts don't care about your feelings!" Also Ben Shapiro: An orthodox follower of Judaism, which claims that the earth and plants were created before light was created. Meaning plants would have had to survive on photosynthesis without any photo to synthesize.

[@LisaBeergutHolst]

Also Ben Shapiro: "I oppose abortion because 'God doesn't make stupid rules'."

[@bassyboi581]

Bench Appearo: * proceeds to use appeals of disgust (going into gorey details of operations, etc) as arguments *

[@Kickiusz]

@@LisaBeergutHolst has Benny boy even _read_ the decalogue? Yeah, not using Lord's name just because, to the point that 4 thousand years later they don't even know wether his name is Yahweh or Jehova seems like a 100% logical rule. Or, y'know, like half on the Deuteronomy, with its rules about planting your plants in neat rows and other petty bs.

[@SlaughterHouseEducation]

As a psychologist, all of this pseudo-science makes my brain hurt. From a psych perspective everything Benny says is mega-cringe. And it's always been very telling to me that he never seeks out actual experts in the fields he talks about.

[@LadyTylerBioRodriguez]

Its the worst. I'm heavy into psychology and this stuff is painful.

[@Mrgruntastic]

Just subscribed to you :)

[@SlaughterHouseEducation]

@Russ Olson that sounds incredibly fascinating and also idk how you cope with that knowledge in this current era without completely losing it. Yall have all my respect

[@SlaughterHouseEducation]

@@Mrgruntastic Thank you! Appreciate it very much!

[@SlaughterHouseEducation]

@Graphics don't matter GAMES do maybe speak to your primary care physician or a therapist about that? If your perceptions of other people's opinions on the internet causes you that much physical distress it might be time for a break or consulting another opinion.

[@themarinaraman9580]

"Let's say that I'm correct and your wrong." -Bing Shapiwrong, all the time.

[@michaelsurname8668]

5:49 "If you want to talk about systemic racism, you're gonna have to show me who the racist individuals are." Ben doesn't know what systemic means, jesus christ...

[@COEXISTential]

The biggest problem with Ben's position on systemic racism is that he clearly doesn't understand what it is. Listen to what he says in that first clip: 5:48 "...shouting institutional racism doesn't combat racism, you have to find individual instances, you have to show me who the racists are..." Um, no, Ben. The racism may not even be intentional. The problem is that institutions tend to have rules, and those rules are often rigid and ignore context, and certainly ignore history. Any system that looks at familial wealth but ignores the impact of red-lining, any system that looks at African-American incarceration rates, but not at the arrest rates that precede them, is systemically racist.

[@Billiamwoods]

He doesn't even criticize the concept, he just says that "shouting it" doesn't help. You could literally make that argument towards anyone making an analysis of a system or concept. But, actually, people do give plenty of examples of institutional racism, they even point to people who work in those institutions who uphold racism... Ehhhh honestly I don't know what his point even is

[@andrewz925]

The way he talks about racism makes it evident that he doesn't understand what racism is. In your example he says to tell him who the racists are, as if it's an interpersonal problem. Later on while discussing the crack epidemic he claims that black senators supported it therefore it's not racist. People like Ben think racism is a KKK member beating to death someone for being black, or Jim Crow laws. He and they don't understand that race-based disparities in things like incarceration rates are a type of racism because they have a bias on racial lines, even if the laws aren't explicitly racist. Conversations about systemic racism between progressives and conservatives rarely acknowledge this. Conservatives don't even know what they're arguing about. Discussion of structural racism is an acknowledgement of biases in society along racial lines, whether intentional or not, not about explicit discrimination or hatred.

[@isaac6077]

You very much do have to be intentional to be racist.

[@RobertB0H]

Ronald Reagan: helps the contras smuggle cocaine into the United states. Also Ronald Reagan: punishes black people who possessing a tiny amount of cocaine. That's conservatism for you

[@codyhamilton7682]

I, personally, am getting tired of rhetoric about the war on violent crime and the war on drugs. … These types of budget cuts certainly would seem to contradict a serious effort to develop a federal drug strategy, ... My patience for action in the drug arena by this administration is beginning to waiver. Just as I criticized the Carter administration for a lack of innovative ideas in this area I will criticize this administration if promises and rhetoric are not soon replaced by result - Joe Biden on Reagan for not being hard enough on drugs, and spending enough money. From 1981 June 5th a prepared statement for a select committee meeting he missed (he was with his pregnant wife waiting for Ashley Biden to be born)

[@codyhamilton7682]

PS that wasn't me disagreeing with you, that was me calling Biden a conservative

[@kittycatwithinternetaccess2356]

Small government, low taxes, free market, free speech, individualism and fiscal responsibility

[@caseclosed9342]

Except the difference from the cocaine sentencing came from the 1994 crime bill authored by Joe Biden and signed by BILL CLINTON

[@dumdude1083]

@@codyhamilton7682 it's been a big me for a while now that conservatives think democrats represent the left appropriately

[@superluser]

The law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal bread

[@RealRanton]

16:55 "noone believes people just get snatched off the street" well that didn't age well at all ☹️

[@eoin8450]

Aaaayyyyy my boi

[@carrier2823]

monkaW

[@spacemeter3001]

It actually did because rioters deserve to be put in prison.

[@eoin8450]

@@spacemeter3001 they weren't rioters

[@spacemeter3001]

@@eoin8450 They are. Funny that my other comment with the linked video got deleted. Almost if there us a hidden agenda on yt.

[@zachbellacero6622]

"The burden is on you to prove the disparity, not on me to prove the non-disparity" he says from his central platform in the middle of a room he was invited to speak in on a topic he had weeks to prepare for and provide his evidence... to a person in the crowd who could only respond to what he was saying in the moment with no preparation beforehand.

[@eldrago19]

Ben Shapiro: you are clearly left wing Andrew Neil: _laughs in Daily Mail_

[@spindoctor358]

Bench Appearo: "I was wrong so I'm just gonna take the L and move on." His rabid fans: "Andrew Neil is still a leftist!!"

[@unslaadkrosis3489]

Ben Shapiro fans are so far right than anyone to the left of them looks like a leftist from their perspective. Case in point: Jo Biden is by almost every metric centre-right with a handful of socially progressive views. But they think he’s a communist. They’re politically illiterate and they should read a book.

[@thetribunaloftheimaginatio5247]

Ben Shapiro has a very limited skill-set, and those skills revolve around "Sounding Smart To Stupid People."

[@alanritchie7850]

He is a lawyer that's his job

[@paulelkin3531]

@@alanritchie7850 When he was 17, he started shilling identity politics for entitled snowflakes, and that's been his entire career since. Even if he had ever worked as a lawyer, he certainly isn't one now.

[@thetribunaloftheimaginatio5247]

@tiglath pileser Depends on the BreadTuber... the only one to my mind that's an ACTUAL grifter is Vaush, and fuck that guy. Or any other "Would-Be Robespierre" whose approach to improving the world begins and ends with "Murder All The Rich People And Take Their Stuff." Not as common as you might think... and unlike the genuine threat of the far right, the far left are merely an annoyance. Leftists will just chew your ass and block you on social media... you can survive that. Fascists want your head on a spike.

[@Alex-cw3rz]

Ah yes ben shapiro the debate god, who lost a debate to someone (Andrew Neil) who wasn't even trying to debate him

[@evan.f1738]

And lost to a music video.

[@radschele1815]

because he was not allowed to advertise his book and had to answer slightly challenging questions.

[@evan.f1738]

@@radschele1815 1. This is why he's there 2. Answering challenging questions is what journalists are meant to make the people they interview do.

[@Calvinfromcalvinandhobbes]

@@evan.f1738 and the people who are asked the questions are expected to be competent at answering them

[@bradenculver7457]

I like how Ben loves to cite crime statistics to heavily enforce areas as though that doesn't affect crime statistics. If you disproportionately police minorities, of course the crime statistics are going to say they commit more crime or are more likely too. But that's too much nuance for Benny boy.

[@hopedream11]

Don't forget policies like stop and frisk and racial profiling which still go on despite the latter being unconstitutional. I could point out the treatment of black citizens as disposable tools and enemy combatants and the general fact that people like Strom Thurmond and James Eastland are still held in high regard. I could bring up Benjamin Tillman and the Origins of modern policing coming from Slave patrols. But Benny won't listen too much Koch and Sackler money coming his way.

[@chrisxd146]

Careful, you're going to break Ben's algorithm.

[@nicktaylor8771]

@@hopedream11 so what are you thoughts on African immigrants coming that are coming to the us?

[@ANONM60D]

Locations below the poverty line are policed more because those places have higher crime rates. It just so happens that minorities (intentionally) occupy these low income areas. This isn't at fault of the police force as much as it is that of the nation. Provide the education employment and infrastructure to combat poverty and crime will decrease.

[@yeahwhatever8774]

Yes and those areas are policed more due to the fact they are high crime areas, don't blame the police, blame the lack of fathers and terrible culture that is perpetuated in these communities, which the left help to create by the way

[@jonah_da_mann]

There's a precept in criminal law called Blackstone's Ratio, which is basically the idea that it is better to let 10 guilty people roam freely than it is to risk punishing 1 innocent person for a crime which they did not commit. As you spoke about stop and frisk and the war on drugs, I was frequently reminded of this quote from John Adams (the U.S. President), which ties into the above idea: “It is more important to the public that innocence should be protected than it is that guilt should be punished, for guilt and crimes are so frequent in the world that, by definition, not all of them CAN be punished. And oftentimes when they happen, they happen in such a way that it is of little consequence to the public whether they are punished or not. However, when an innocent person is brought before the bar to be condemned, especially to die, then that person will think to himself: ‘it is immaterial to me whether I do good or do evil, for innocence itself is no security.’ And if such a sentiment as that were to take hold in the minds of the citizens, that would be the end of all security whatsoever.”

[@Pretermit_Sound]

It’s hard to believe Americans ever held these kinds of principles in regards to how the justice system should conduct itself. John Adams is such an underrated president. One of the few founding fathers who walked the walk when it came to his views on slavery, and other moral issues. ✌🏻🇺🇸

[@twistysunshine]

"YOU have to bring the exact stats" Ben says as not five minutes before he was like "the stats say that most people in prison at drug dealers, not users. A number? I dont have to give you a number because I'm moving on too fast for you to even ask me"

[@sergeysmirnov1062]

the mmoent you said "Northern free blacks were diagnosed insane more often" my head went "Okay... how often ARE slaves given a mental health check?"

[@jemolk8945]

There's also the fact that there was literally a diagnosis called drapetomania classified as wanting to run away from slavery that was regarded as a kind of insanity. Black people not wanting to be slaves got them classified as insane sometimes. Let that sink in a sec. It isn't just what is checked or how often or how thoroughly. It's also what's regarded as a mental problem in the first place. Humans, with fallible perceptions, ideas, and agendas, determine that. It's not an inherent feature of the universe.

[@devlinburgess2463]

I know this is petty and superficial compared to his repugnant politics, but after a dozen or so Shapiro clips, I have to say it: I hate Ben Shapiro's voice. It's that whiny, irritating drone you find in sitcom dorks applied to gussied up Rand Paul talking points.

[@anoobindisguise4337]

Ben is the adult version of that kid from the Polar Express movie. You know the one.

[@hollandscottthomas]

Half the time I can't tell if the clip has been sped up and I need to check my video settings.

[@shannonpace512]

Agreed. Also, if this is the post thread of superficial comments, I'd like to add there there is always at least one word per video that Dan says with his German accent in such a way that I have to go back and listen to over and over. In this video, it was "marijuana." Thank you, that is all.

[@jasonlefler3456]

I think “Ben Shapiro” should be paired with the words “adenoidal fuck stick” from this day forward. You know I’m right.

[@_Somsnosa_]

His voice is so offensive. Why does he have to speak like a racist stereotype of a white man?

[@alex_roivas333]

12:39 "if i have to show an ID to buy *_an_* alcohol" ah yes Ben, i can tell you've bought many many alcohols.

[@peterprime2140]

I, a Hoo-man, would like to purchase one singular alcohol please.

[@RemixedVoice]

Reminds me of when Dwight was tricked into thinking the "Alcohol Club" was a real place lmao

[@cosmicjenny4508]

+Espurr Fitzroy Give me some of that CH3CH2OH extracted from potatoes, or pineapples, please.

[@SlaughterHouseEducation]

@@RemixedVoice I was getting Vincent Adultman Vibes

[@alex_roivas333]

@@SlaughterHouseEducation after ben bought an alcohol he did a business XD XD XD

[@reasonablyskeptical]

"virtue signaling is problematic"-shapiro a la benjamin

[@cosmicjenny4508]

+ObliviousShadow “Virtue signalling is when you say racism is bad BUT DON’T BACK THAT UP WITH FACTS THAT I ACCEPT”

[@fermintenava5911]

It's especially problematic if you have to retcon or whitewash massive amounts of reality to signal your patriotic virtues :)

[@KingoftheJuice18]

The term virtue signaling is virtually useless, since the public claim that others are virtue signaling is itself a signal that you are being virtuous by calling out those people's bad behavior. It's a self-defeating concept.

[@MissEliza99]

I love how Ben can just spout off unsupported assertions, but if you're debating him, you have to provide him with statistics. 😒 Thank you for slapping Ben with some facts. He really needs some good pushback.

[@magicmerls291]

Ohne Scheiß du bist einer von den wenigen deutschen KZbinrn bei denen ich mich nicht fremdschähmen muss das sie aus dem selben Land kommen. Und auch wenn proud of not beeing proud ein guter Leitsatz ist freut es mich doch, dass es auch hierzulande noch Leute gibt die sich so differenziert mit politischen Themen auseinder setzten können. Bro danke, wirklich.

[@kipuvi9181]

I used google translate and I agree

[@freedombro]

Differentiated, so pushing group think and demonizing your opponents Got it, thats how diversity works

[@magicmerls291]

@@freedombro have you even listened to what he said?

[@terawatt1]

@@freedombro demonizing, so picking apart someone's arguments because they make no sense, are shortsighted, and/or lack basis in actual data Got it, that's how the alt-right victimhood narrative works.

[@page8301]

@@freedombro Projecting much, aren't you.

[@unknownusername5111]

The sexiest accent on LeftTube has entered the chat 😌✨

[@gehtdichnixan3200]

german accent i sexy ? i should date more english speaking women ....

[@blairsnitch97]

Gehtdich Nixan you should! 🤤❤️

[@calebr7199]

@@gehtdichnixan3200 sehr sexy

[@joecarom391]

Oh God. Do you have any idea of how insecure Germans are about their accents 😳 We are so thirsty for compliments in that matter, your comment is gonna make a lot of German days 👌

[@vinnys7514]

@@joecarom391 as someone who's grown up around lots of Amish/Mennonite/Dutch heritage Americans I've grown used to the accent. But I've never thought anyone was insecure about it, haha. Seems pretty normal around here at least.

[@sjoerdglaser2794]

Does Ben ever argue with people who actually know something? Or does he just go around college campuses and argue with college kids with much less knowledge?

[@spindoctor358]

Shapiro has always made sure to avoid debating actual experts in order to keep his fragile faux intellectual brand intact. Now he certainly doesn't want to repeat the mistake he did back in BBC interview, that is by avoiding similar circumstance altogether where he must defend his indefensible position on things (which is why he was _desperate_ to land some attacks on the interviewer).

[@urzmontst.george6314]

@@spindoctor358 "We'll have a conversation about a conversation." Ben Shapiro

[@spindoctor358]

Me: "If someone were to disproportionately hit my head instead of any of my body parts, I'll be more likely get brain damage." Ben's logic: "No, that's just means you already had brain damage. The hitting simply revealed it."

[@silverceleste7260]

The fact that Ben can just brazenly lie like that and not immediately get evicerated for it is stunning.

[@_Somsnosa_]

By the time you've debunked one point he's made 20 more fallacious statements. It's the same with trumps thousands of lies and stupid shit he's done. The more he does the more people think that it can't be true that he did that much crazy shit so the media must be lying and anti trump. If trump molested 1 person people might believe it but if he actually molested 100 people his followers and even more moderate people will think "nah that can't be true, a hundred people? Why are they coming out about it now? They just want money and fame. They just want to hurt trumps election. The media is just exaggerating. What about bill Clinton etc" Rich and powerful people can and do horrible shit to people and get away with it because who will believe those victims over rich, "respectable" members of our society who provide thousands of jobs etc. If the queen of England molested me how the fuck would I go about bringing her to justice? Who would believe me? The police would laugh at me.

[@iMajoraGaming]

God this has not aged well. We thought it was bad 2 years ago. Jesus Christ. I have seen shit that just, fucking confuses me. There is a person, a fan of Bengal Sharpie, who goes around, and has been doing so for around a year or longer, on any video about Native Americans, posting just unhinged shit about how the Trail of Tears was a hoax and other absolutely ludicrous shit. People now grift so hard on KZbin Shorts that every other video is someone who shamelessly has switched their content from their unsuccessful, but sincere, earnest content, to transparent grifting about shit like how January 6th was a day of martyrs and when democracy died for Real AmericansTM. And the audiences do not care. They see it and they watch it, donate, it's all so drab and depressing.

[@bluedotdinosaur]

The rhetoric of people like Shapiro is designed to prey on the urge of privileged people to shy away from troubling things with reasonable sounding excuses. When he claims "system racism" is vague and undefined - despite being something very well defined, documented, and backed up by data - he is appealing to the experiences of people who have likely never experienced system racism. Or if they've seen it applied to others, have tried to excuse it to themselves with rationalizations. To such people it might feel "vague" because it is something they keep hearing about but "never see". Therefore, Ben framing something that is heavily documented as being non-existent doesn't come across as disingenuous, but as a sensible observation.

[@josephsteven1600]

Thank you, Three Arrows for this. I'm not American I'm Filipino, but helping me better learn and develop my understanding, values, and making me more aware of problems facing us as human beings is more than invaluable. My love and support (I'm very sorry if it doesn't meaning much) goes out to the American minorities, especially the black community. I hope and pray that things get better, even if we take two steps forward but always one step back.

[@thelastjerkbender2505]

You're a good guy.

[@m.f.3347]

Keep fighting the good fight, brother

[@JC-jd1us]

@ Oseph Steven How're you holding up during Covid?

[@josephsteven1600]

@@JC-jd1us doing ok, hope you are too.

[@rhaq426]

love the comment and its replies

[@notorio526]

KZbin algorithms favour the right because they use more clickbait titles like "FEMINIST DESTROYED".

[@timokaaarp7779]

Just look at who owns KZbin to find out why it leans so far to the right. And look at the demographics, most vcustomers are white men so their voice is amplified.

[@anenemystand5582]

I swear to god, if I see one more daily wire ad I'm going to do something! I dont know what, I dont really have many options but something.

[@mementomori2285]

@@anenemystand5582 adblocker?

[@edge21str]

As a dude who formerly almost fell down the alt-right rabbit whole, it’s also got to do with the general weirdness and radical nature of tumblr feminism in the late 2000s and early 2010s. Kill all men and similar sentiments were the first experience many young men like me had with feminism in their lifes. I mean, I know now those were just frustrated teen girls who probably just started noticing all the sexism around them, but I can understand how a lot of people especially those who spent a lot of time on the internet during that time, ended up becoming reactionaries because of that.

[@TuesdaysArt]

Not to mention, a lot of the "left-tubers" (PhilosophyTube, Shaun, hbomberguy, etc.) post on an infrequent basis and that means leftist content is less likely to be recommended by the algorithm.

[@luked2115]

I also recommend "White Rage" by Carol Anderson for your reading list, it's very informative about the various tactics and history of white people oppressing blacks throughout American history and even before it became a country.

[@Medhead101]

Corrupt political power and governments were responsible for the past evils of history. I don't think it's helpful to title a book 'White Rage' as it seems to paint white people with the same brush, especially because many white people were innocent or didn't agree with what the government was doing and most white people living today are innocent and disagree with the unjust laws. I hate this divide and conquer strategy going on today of pitting groups of people against each other instead of forgiving and trying to constructively move on. Instead all I see is the kindling of hatred between the races, rich and poor, man and woman, gay and straight. Is it possible to just treat everyone as individuals and have a free society and let everyone rise and fall on their own merits instead of constantly playing group politics and judging group performances? Why is equality amongst the groups such an important outcome if individuals are not even equal to each other? I think the more we chase after an illusionary and nebulous phenomenon like equality we will all never stop hating each other. We should be striving for freedom of the individual and fully protecting the rights of the individual instead of seeing it from a group lens.

[@alankennedy6778]

Thanks.

[@Wyrdangus]

Medhead101 The only good hatred is hatred of the rich, for the exploitation of the poor, for the wealth hoarding, for the amount of power they exert over political structures, and their inability to contribute even the most basic taxes to society, let alone labour. Also, the book title is likely because: 1 - It’s catchy, it’ll grab people’s attention, and will get people reading it. There’s a book called “Guys Like Girls Who...” which uses the same sorta tactic, I believe the conclusion it reaches at the end is “Guys like girls who love themselves”. Ostensibly misogynistic title for a book that specifically seeks to aid young girls with self love, confidence, and being themselves rather than moulding themselves to fit men. 2 - White people are largely responsible for the discrimination minorities face. A generalisation doesn’t make this wrong. It was white people in power enacting laws that the average white person didn’t disagree with, because it affected the minorities not the white man

[@Medhead101]

@@Wyrdangus My God you are mistaken on many levels and I hope you will correct your intolerance, especially as tolerance is a key virtue held by the left but of course as any good little Marxist, intolerance is for the rich. Firstly in a purely capitalist system the only way to get rich is to convince other people to voluntarily give you their money. How the rich do this is by offering a product or service that's of a sufficiently good quality and/or low price or something to attract customers to purchase the product. He who excels at offering the public such a product or service and does so efficiently to maximize production to then sell to customers will be rewarded for this and become rich. If the rich need help in running their business and pays people voluntarily through consent to help them then no immorality has been committed. Don't get me wrong there are some rich people who get their wealth through illicit (predominantly they use the government to gain wealth and/or get the government to pass regulations to hurt their competition so that they have a monopoly). That would be wrong but what about all the rich people who did not do this and obtained their wealth fairly and contributed greatly to the common good (e.g Steve jobs providing iPhones and MacBooks which improve other people's lives as customers voluntarily buy those products thus making Steve jobs rich?). Secondly the rich pay an enormous amount of tax. The bottom 50% of Americans pay only 3% of the taxes whilst the top 1% pay something like 29% of the taxes. Its extremely progressive and disproportionately harsh on the rich. The top 10% pay the vast majority of the taxes. I think it's pretty evil to demonize a group of people and to advocate stealing their property when the majority of them have acquired it through consentual and valid means. As to your point about white people, there definitely has been historical injustices that have been committed but every culture in every part of the world has also committed evils. Islamic society, Mongols even the Aztecs and Incas were killing and enslaving neighbouring tribes. It was really 'white people' that invented enlightenment philosophies and exported these philosophies and even ended slavery to it's bitter end (when other parts of the world were vehemently trying to keep slavery going). You have a bleak view of white people and white history and culture that I think is tragic and will do absolutely no good for the world espousing these views. We must move on.

[@d.rabbitwhite]

@@Medhead101 More than 465 million dollars a *day* (i believe that's US dollars) is lost to societies because it is hidden in offshore accounts, or tax shelters. UNPAID taxes, at the ridiculously low rates the wealthy pay. Now if there was a top margin tax... 70% was suggested by folks like AOC, I believe, was paid on top of the unpaid hidden tax, and it was put into society... As I understand it, in the 1950s there was a top margin tax of around 90-ish% and the wealthy stayed wealthy, and that was considered a prosperous time. Also consider exactly how much millions and billions, are. Consider bezo's worth of 142,600,000,000. If you divide that by 30,000, as in 30, grand a year of income, which is significantly higher than what I have per year, we see 4,753,333+ years of income. Most of that is NOT going back into civilization. And I don't care how many models anyone shows me about capitalism (which can not work without exploitation, prove me wrong by showing me some pure capitalism that works without exploitation, cuz I ain't seen it), It is unconscionable for one to have that much, while another barely lives, while so much improvement is needed. Also, tolerance is not a key virtue held by the left. Tolerance is that that thing that the right thinks the left thinks is ethical, when to tolerate another is still widely missing the mark, which is, Acceptance and recognition of rights. I listed a coupla books i recommend out the prolly thousands that exist that likely equally good, but I haven't the time to list, in another comment. I suggest that before holding too tightly to the idea that white people invented enlightenment philosophies, and ended slavery, you maybe read them. There is NO moving on without acknowledgement and atonement, you know, enlightenment. Without those things made praxis, you have a sweeping under the rug, which, as an example of how that has worked, has led us to the divisiveness that exists now. Take it from the white rabbit that's been down that hole.

[@IanMcGarrett]

The drop in violent crime in New York began under David Dinkins and had more to do with his policies than with Rudolph Giuliani's. Dinkins hired more cops and, in order to build community trust in policing, strove to hire them from within the communities being policed. Of course in order to hire cops you first have to train them and, once on the street, they next have to build the trust of the community which is reflected in the gradual decline in the crime rate. In fact, stop and frisk was counterproductive to that effort.

[@rickardkaufman3988]

IKR. People say he was the greatest mayor when 9/11 happened. Um. you do remember people wanted him to resign because of the actions caused by stop and frisk and police brutality? It was really counterproductive. People like Ben don't care about the people getting fucked over just to use them as political pawns o own the libs when the conservatives were also involved as well.

[@ACGreyhound04]

Ben Shapiro is sort of an enigma to me. On one hand, he’s a Harvard Law School graduate who should be well-equipped to do real legal research, and easily find caselaw or policy papers to support any argument he cares to make, just with a quick search on Westlaw. On the other, his schtick is to easily “defeat” naive college students in debates using rhetorical parlor tricks like gish gallops, straw-manning and logical fallacies that anyone capable of getting a decent LSAT score would realize are weak. He’s like an NBA player spending most of his time crushing high school kids in games of HORSE at the YMCA, and using every dirty trick and technical foul to do it, not to coach them, or even to show them how much they still have to learn, but just to pump his own ego and legitimize his own preconceived notions, which ironically, the process of legal education should have drummed out of him. I wonder: has he burned that many bridges in the legal world that he couldn’t get a real job at a law firm, corporation or law school despite his Ivy League sheepskin? Could he really hold his own in a courtroom or boardroom? As a lawyer myself, I’m very skeptical.

[@urzmontst.george6314]

He'll talk circles around your 21 yr old. thats for sure.

[@ACGreyhound04]

@@urzmontst.george6314 - Of course he can. My point is, why does he want to do that?

[@advisorywarning]

@@ACGreyhound04for propaganda/marketing purposes. He has always been a very, very conservative debatelord. In the mid 00s he actually wrote an article about a final solution for Palestinians. He also tried to work at some corporate law firm but quit after a few months to pursue screenwriting… which he also failed at. A lot of conservative media people are failed debate and theater kids. In any case, he knew what he was doing debating ill prepared college kids, filming it and putting it on KZbin. His media venture the daily wire is also heavily funded by conservative evangelical oil billionaires the Wilkes bros. Most conservative media is heavily astroturfed thru various mega donors, PACs and think tanks

[@ChuckD99]

55:22 "Let's say I active my trap card on you. If this were true, you would then conclude that you are going to the shadow realm"

[@peterprime2140]

Beemovie Shrekiro is literally Weevil, how have I never noticed this?!

[@ejnarsorensen2920]

It seems to me that being a classical liberal/libertarian means freedom to do whatever you want for you and your group, and control and restrictions for other groups to protect that freedom.

[@genieglasslamp5028]

Ya dont say.🤔

[@emperorgraishthefroggy7986]

this comment is dedicated to my friend Al Gorithm

[@rhaeven]

we all need to boogie down to the Al Gore Rhythm

[@starmaker75]

No you idiot, according to white nationalist, we are dedicated to kalgeri soros AI cultural Marxism

@@starmaker75 Cultural Marxism is infinitely preferable to cultureless capitalism.

[@the80386]

Apparently the word algorithm came from Al khwarithmi, an influential islamic scientist

[@Richard_is_cool]

@@the80386 So its an immigrant word... Our civilization is ded now

[@Fragenzeichenplatte]

Seeing Shapiro rattling down this incorrect information at high speed and then have people clap for him is really frustrating to see. He is informed about the issue and aware of the data to some extent so I have to assume that he has to actively ignore whatever he doesn't like or even lie. Edit: The same people who love stop and frisk are the same people who constantly say "innocent until proven guilty".

[@spindoctor358]

Only if the people have "bright future ahead of them" a.k.a. privileged as fuck.

[@Smitywerban]

Btw how many years has it been since ben debated anyone other than untrained college kids? The "master debater" is running from being exposed even further.

[@scottsbarbarossalogic3665]

Well, he failed a debate against a conservative reporter who was interviewing him about his book, the topic of which was how left wing politics are causing the divide in America, by accusing this journalist of being left wing

[@horaspeher3368]

@@scottsbarbarossalogic3665 And that wasn't even a debate. One can only imagine how hard he'd be pwned in an actual debate with someone who actually knows what they're doing.

[@madhumatikhobaragade2651]

@@scottsbarbarossalogic3665 Ben debated Cenk Uygher. I don't know how it went.

[@papasanaah-faried8054]

Madhumati Khobaragade he won but cenk is an idiot and a poor debater

[@papasanaah-faried8054]

Madhumati Khobaragade someone like destiny who’s debating tactics are similar to that of shapiro would be his best foil. Look up destiny on youtube

[@Alex-cw3rz]

Ben shapiro the only person to ever lose an interview

[@soyborne.bornmadeandundone1342]

Eyeah... That did happen lolz. Watching it was hard but at the same time I couldn't turn away lolz. And I wont ever forget it. Self ownage on a level never before seen. Congrats shaperoid... You played yourself...

[@SlaughterHouseEducation]

Neil assassinated him on live TV without even trying. It brings me so much joy.

[@soyborne.bornmadeandundone1342]

@@SlaughterHouseEducation Lol after all of his own ego boosting about how he was a master debater and then that happens. Like watching a guy with no arms and legs claim to be as good as Jordan at basketball. It was... Absolutely pathetic and you know damn well he went to sleep that night saying to himself while face palming hard... "Stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid!"

[@px7107]

True

[@diegosanchez894]

"you have some pretty right wing ideas, can you defend them avaient liberal objections?" "The fact that you're asking me to defend my ideas proves your liberal bias and frankly I don't want to answer such loaded questions framed by a leftist like you"

[@steinmaniac7920]

A one hour video? Dan, you're spoiling us...please never stop doing that.

[@paranoid97_]

It makes me happy when I see Three Arrows upload.

[@paranoid97_]

@Gustavo Fabregas I have but how is this relevent?

[@ragalyiakos]

The thing about voter ID laws is that they aren't NECCESSARILY racist, but they ARE racist in an American context. For example, in my country, Hungary, when you go to vote, you need to show a photo ID both to confirm who you are, and to confirm you are voting in the district you're living in. But, unlike in America, the national ID card is provided free of charge and the offices where you can get them are open five days a week, and also every person is automatically registered to vote in whichever district they reside in, also free of charge. As such, the only way requiring ID to vote would stop anyone from voting is if you lost your ID card, or changed your place of residency without informing the government. Unless the US provides a FEDERAL photo ID for free to every citizen, voter ID will remain fundamentally unconstitutional and racist.

[@Em-gj2sg]

He can literally just make statistics up on the spot and people will believe him

[@spindoctor358]

Oh, it's worse. Bench Appearo openly admitting his loss in a debate he himself started (from an interview no less) and half of his supporters still think he's winning and Andrew Neil is a leftist.

[@Helperbot-2000]

@@spindoctor358 not just that, but he also lost an argument to a dead guy

[@BOAiak]

"Is Ben Shapiro racist?" Yes. The answer is obviously yes.

[@janvanruth3485]

the thing he has on his head says he is...

[@cryptid-king]

Nooooo he's jewish so he can't ne racistttt /s obviously

[@IanMcGarrett]

@CommandoDude Exactly. How does one make a distinction between someone who is a true believer in racism and one who exploits other people's belief in racism?

[@muhammaddawood4382]

Atleast he is not An Anti Semite. You Anarcho Syndical Marxist.

[@quarkonium3795]

​@@muhammaddawood4382 Well yeah... he's Jewish

[@henryberrylowry9512]

"voting seems way more Important than buying Beer." Ouff this fool needs to get His priorities straight.

[@fds7476]

Typical Americans, amirite Leute?

[@VincentTroia]

lol

[@phangkuanhoong7967]

@Mr.Sweg at least one might die if he gets elected and someone better might replace him. the other warmongering rapist is demanding you to die in a pandemic for the economy while giving billions in bailouts to corporate ghouls.

[@EbonyPhoenix]

Man I remember the last time I voted too much in a party, I was barely able to see straight! My motor function hit the shit. Man voting takes a lot from you every time you do it.

[@henryberrylowry9512]

@@fds7476 genau

[@3dartxsi]

Three Arrows(in May of 2020):"people aren't being snatched off the streets" Me in late July 2020: "Gee, remember the simpler days of... two months ago?"

[@AbstractTraitorHero]

Fucking damn.

[@xuexiyingyu]

What's awful is that, even after learning about how North Carolina's voter id law was created to disenfranchise the black vote, people either don't understand that or care. A million more people voted in favor of the law during NC's last midterm election.

[@ameer.thelion]

Bens understanding of the prison system IS INCREDIBLY SIMPLISTIC. Like SO FUCKING SIMPLISTIC. It’s literally “stop doing crimes” omfg I hate him

[@Alex-cw3rz]

As the age old question goes is Ben Shapiro stupid or is he lying?

[@peterprime2140]

Porque no los dos?

[@nathanclark2424]

"A little of column A, a little of column B"

[@seikoshinobaka9139]

Both. If Ben Shapiro changes his mind, he'll lose his career. He's also unable to debate intelligent people, which is why he dunks on college students.

[@peterprime2140]

@Graphics don't matter GAMES do Sweetie, I think those video games are melting your brain.

[@cosmicjenny4508]

+Graphics don't matter GAMES do Fucking hell, the people you subscribe to throw up red flags, everywhere.

[@YadonTheCat]

52:36 : "But! In the democratic party you're not supposed to run on lowering crime rates, you're supposed to run on wokeness!" God, if only. Then Bernie would have won with ease

[@Apankou]

So I'm not the most obsessed German when it comes to observing the American situation.

[@Hannahgs]

Jesus that Nixon ad is like a blueprint for modern anti-blm conservative ads.

[@juhlsghouls]

Lol ‘ “stop and frisk” saved thousands of black and Hispanic lives’ Ben you obviously have never heard of the LITERAL death trap that is Rikers Island (where prisoners from NYC are held waiting trial and are eventually imprisoned).

[@will11m]

7:40 I think this argument is best explained as "I don't understand calculus, change my mind!". If this were an honest attempt to learn something, the way to do it would not be to go find some college sophomores and debate them, it would be to go to ask someone who knows what they're talking about. There's probably a professor on any campus who would be willing to take an hour and explain this stuff, it's not hard. But that doesn't make for a good video. "Ben Shapiro DESTROYS his own ideology with FACTS and LEARNING"

[@SlaughterHouseEducation]

Personally, I'd love to watch a college professor calmly explain 101 stuff to a red-faced Shapiro. But that would counter the ridiculous image of himself he's created as an 'intellectual'

[@xXRickTrolledXx]

@slaughterhouse chances are he would sputter “you’re a Communist”so fast and loud he’d put himself into escape trajectory

[@spindoctor358]

@@xXRickTrolledXx that sounds like the excuse he'd use to avoid debating Prof. Richard Wolff or Robert Reich on the economy

[@AbstractTraitorHero]

It'd be the only ben Shapiro video I would give him a like for.

[@CloneHat]

“Had actually published cringe” lmao

[@mothra727]

so many left youtubers have been getting experimental, it's nice to see a good old fashioned high quality reply video, I think they're a really good way to get people to pay attention to some really important info, good vid

[@erikdumas9873]

Anti-anti-racists: are they racist? I don't know, but they're definitely racist-adjacent. And that's a tad too close to racist for me.

[@DNorbs7]

Man, just want to say I love your videos. I feel like I'm getting a free lecture from an awesome professor every time you drop one. Thank you.

[@reyandjeffrulers]

'Thinking, fast and slow' is maybe the most important book I've ever read. I can't express how much I recommend everybody read it.

[@dstinnettmusic]

‘It implies that blacks people are rounded up by police’ Yes

[@spindoctor358]

For suspicions that can easily cleared up, even. To be fair, American cops are often trained by Israeli troops to brutalize suspects instead of de-escalating. We must change that.

[@racewiththefalcons1]

Crack was like a god-send to the govorning right, indeed. It's almost as if the CIA was importing cocaine from central and south America at the same time...

[@benderboyboy]

Before a country can have Voter ID laws, they must first make Easily Accessible ID Laws. Just ask any other countries on how their ID system has succeeded.

[@frocco7125]

"We need more policing to increase economic growth!" "Why does the political compass test not say I'm a libertarian??"

[@aneveningwithebola2727]

Maybe he meant "Home Depot presents: The Police"

[@redmantis3336]

Hello! I've seen you before!

[@Crippycooke]

Pretty mad that a lot of Americans wanted an ethno state only decades ago. Now it's a loud minority.

[@magolor7856]

It’s just disgusting is what it is. What’s the point of an ethnostate anyway?

[@DCNRS90YT]

Yeah, and I hope the vocal minority of white Americans become ignored. If that'll ever happen that is.

[@methanial73]

Ben can be summed up simply by making up statistics. He says something and just expects it to be accepted at the face value. He rarely cites actual data to support his view.

[@Wyrdangus]

Or when he does have actual data, his conclusions are rarely correct. Like the trans suicide rate being because the people are trans rather than the actual conclusions drawn by the people who gathered and studied the data. The actual conclusion being that discrimination, lack of acceptance, lack of access to proper care and help, bullying, and so on. Dude’s just a disingenuous fuck which isn’t really a surprise considering he’s a lawyer whose daddy payed for his success

[@horaspeher3368]

Yeah, and I think that makes it hard to argue with him live. He doesn't give you time to google, so the only way to debunk his wrong "facts" is to actually be a researcher. Otherwise, he'll just say you're either wrong or lying and the audience is biased for him anyway.

[@unslaadkrosis3489]

If I cited and referenced like Ben Shapiro does when I was writing my dissertation at university I would have failed. There’s a higher standard for me than there is for the millionaire trust fund baby with millions of viewers.

[@bigpapa3075]

Now this is a nice thing to see in my recommended

[@Killroy2112]

Love that gotcha where they're like "Yeah? Well the Clintons are bad" Yes, and?

[@funsnailzzzz23]

The most annoying thing about Ben is that I have never seen someone so convinced they are right about everything.

[@deceseze]

i offer myself as sacrifice for the youtube algo rhythm, arrows man

[@dickassman9244]

Since this video is 18 sargons long I'll grab the beers :)

[@morbidsearch]

Aren't there 12 Sargons in an hour?

[@itzakhywell7668]

I count this video as 13 and a half Sargons....

[@justinh4455]

bro thank god, i was just like thinking “i really want a three arrows vid” yesterday

[@rhaeven]

literally same wtf

[@swanky_yuropean7514]

You can always join his twitch streams. He regularly gives his opinions on stuff.

[@aeloh6921]

Damn, I didn't get notified about or suggested this video! I wonder why, I always watch your stuff... Good thing I thought to check if you had posted.

[@deenil]

Real quick about the violent crime stuff...the war on drugs ABSOLUTELY contributes to violent crime offenses twofold. 1. Many people engage in violent crime as it relates to drug dealing (gang violence, etc.) to be fair if we legalized some of these people would still do criminal activity, but many would do something else due to the ease of drug crime being removed (other violent crime is likely not as cost effective or easy or in high demand) as well as the increased job opportunity through legalization, though we could also increase job opportunity by investing in those communities. 2. The communities left behind after mass incarceration and 1/3 marriagable men are jailed or have shit job prospects tend to turn to crime to make ends meet. So yeah...

[@IMatchoNation]

Shen Bapiro stíll didn't get those AOC feet pics in this debate.

[@KeflYeen]

Shen is actually kind of a cool name...

[@kylewilliams8114]

I always knew the biggest indicator of intergenerational upward mobility was the house as an asset. It wasn't till I found out that the US government subsidized home loans in the 30's for decades while explicitly excluding blacks did I understand what institutional racism was about. The institution gave white families a huge benefit(rise of the white middle class anyone?) While denying the benefit to blacks. You can't just say, "fair lending laws will fix it" since those government loans were way easier to get, and now those who grew up with that benefit are far more likely to be accepted for loans now. It created a split in social mobility that 90 years later is still massively detrimental.

[@Kobolds_in_a_trenchcoat]

It was also welfare that was systematically denied to black people. Black people in Las Vegas actually had to form a welfare rights organization just to get the state to do literally anything for anyone in the state. The state reluctantly allowed welfare but the welfare director was an old guard constantly concerned with any little bit of possible abuse and desperately wanted any excuse to kick as many people off as possible lest anyone recieve even a single cent more than they were entitled to (regardless of how expensive and inefficient the means testing itself made the program). Needless to say, he was also a well loved conservative under Reagan and was his welfare advisor while president. There's an excellent and very readable book on the welfare rights organization in Vegas called "Storming Caesar's Palace" that I'd heavily recommend to anyone interested.

[@hopedream11]

@@Kobolds_in_a_trenchcoat nice book recommend I'll look it up

[@kylewilliams8114]

@@Kobolds_in_a_trenchcoat right, there's so many things that contribute. I listened to a talk by an economic historian called "The Steep Climb - the economic progress of African American men since emancipation" by Marianne Wanamaker and she painted a grim picture. Even when controlling for households with both parents there, black men were more likely to end up in a lower economic status each generation.

[@TymeTaylor]

I may have already watched Vaush dissect these lame talking points, but there's no way I'm not also listening to Three Arrows do the same for an hour; even if the content is essentially the same. Great vid!

[@acn1580]

That Nixon advertisement is chillingly similar to what conservatives are saying now about BLM protests

[@tylersmith3139]

Because Conservatives have been portraying peaceful civil rights movements as violent since Martin Luther King, hell since slavery. First it was slaves will violently revolt and kill White people if we abolish slavery. Then it was Martin Luther King is lying and he's actually promoting violence because once in a completely different part of the country, some Black people rioted and MLK is the same race as them so it's obviously his fault. Now it's "well look, 3 riots took place in the same multi year period that thousands of BLM protests took place and yeah, the people had no connection to BLM, but it was during the same years long period they were protesting so it's obviously their fault and BLM is a violent organization".