Were the Crusades Defensive?

[@hbomberguy]

This video was the first thing on my feed when I opened KZbin on my phone for something to listen to in prep for a long drive. This gon' be good

[@Bhazor]

Hey saw you in the sonic trailer. That costume has gone downhill man.

[@basilofgoodwishes4138]

@@Bhazor Yeah, we need him as the actor for Sonic and kill that fascist Eggman, after all, he mistreated Benny( not that Judeo-Christian fanatic called Ben Shapiro, who gets destroyed by Facts and logic).

[@Dorian_sapiens]

It's H. Bumbleboy! 🐝

[@johnarbuckle2619]

What are you doing here? Keep making videos and consuming soy!!!

[@phelanyoung6770]

Hah same!

[@Natakupl]

Crowder playing ck2: Why is he moving troops on me? We are both Christian!

[@deltachiken5847]

Lmaooooo

[@arabtrappers6934]

Also in ck2: Why is my brother plotting against me and fucking my sister? We are both Christians!!

[@thatonestormtrooper2760]

One time I made my son a monk so didnt have to give him any landed titles. I feel like that pretty well sums up how "Christian" medieval Europe was

[@Natakupl]

Me: Pope! Pope! Can I sack these Slavic lands? Pope: to defend the Christian values? Me: yeahhhhhhh to defend the Christian values ( actually to gain majority land to become king)

[@mir4924]

@@thatonestormtrooper2760 Comparing a game to real life. Big oof.

[@Realkeepa-et9vo]

I love fighting my defensive wars against Islam in the Baltics and Scandinavia against Pagans

[@joebowden4065]

God damn those dirty Finnish Muslims

[@Jatischar]

yeah seriously. Just like the Nazis "defending the west against Communism" by invading Poland and France and Greece and Belgium and the Netherlands and Yugoslavia, etc pp

[@КимВладимир-ж6ы]

Don't forget Southern France.

[@jakubmike5657]

@@Jatischar You have to first gain terrain to effectivly defend it right?

[@wublesmoop6125]

Not to mention the Crusades against the Cathar Christians in France and the Orthodox Christians in Byzantium.

[@periodicgaming5159]

Wait. Crowder thinks that American schools teach anything about the Crusades at all? Edit: it seems that my school was just really bad at teaching history, because plenty of others learned about them.

[@Tcrror]

He also thinks anything other than college and above teach CRT. The GOP is just a black hole where information COULD be, but it's not.

[@yrretgnortsmra8955]

Of course it doesn't because it has nothing to do with US history at all.

[@Tcrror]

@@yrretgnortsmra8955 ...and? It's called History class, not US History. Honestly schools should be teaching even more of the bad shit that we've done as a country, as well as what other countries have done. Kids need to know how the world works rather than just being thrown out there with a flawed perception.

[@magamemes3453]

American schools are liberal, leftist indoctrination camps. They don't teach the truth about History.

[@magamemes3453]

LMAO...this dude is using wikipedia as a reference...I bet he even used google as a search engine lol. I've written things on wikipedia and I'm faaaaar from an expert on anything. Literally anyone can post anything on wikipedia.

[@kayt9627]

Christianity can only be defended by destroying Christianity. THIS POST WAS MADE BY 4TH CRUSADE GANG

[@starmaker75]

The true enemy of Islam is other Muslims This post was made by medieval Middle East empire

[@ericph9]

Wasn't that also SkyNet's reasoning?

[@mahirshahriyar545]

ericph9 very true

[@brotlowskyrgseg1018]

Every crusade after the first one: "Well, I guess the real success were the jews and christians we killed along the way."

[@OfficialFedHater]

The people's crusade was truly the best crusade.

[@kiDchemical]

It seems like every war can be broken down to some rich guy or guys getting a bunch of poor people to kill each other to further their own gains

[@sadboipotato3382]

Basically. Consolidating power is the primary driver of all wars.

[@fulcrum2951]

Basically

[@gr_m_ry]

**Honestly.**

[@Falstaff0809]

kid versus chemical 4000 years of world history in one paragraph.

[@vagabondwastrel2361]

@william sadly it doesn't mate that paragraph true. The further in time you go back the more of the leaders were in the actual combat and the majority wasn't by some marxist example of wealth caricature. That simply isn't how it went most of the time. Sometimes the landowner points the army sometimes they are just riding the tiger hoping not to get eaten.

[@xwolpertinger]

Wait, who are we supposed to kill again? Crusaders: Yes

[@starmaker75]

Everyone that breathes.

[@DemagogueBibleStudy]

Children: enslaved Jews: murdered Constantinople: sacked Yep, it's crusading time.

[@zacharymohammadi]

Demagogue * ANGRY BYZANTINE NOISES *

[@alfatazer_8991]

"Slay them all, God will know his own."

[@humanthefinite8304]

@@DemagogueBibleStudy "who would sack the nut castle on my second son's first birthday?"

[@GrayXephyr]

Imagine being swayed by propaganda that’s like 800 yrs old

[@lordpiggington5259]

Stefan Moleneux fell for 2000-3000 year old propaganda about Rome

[@X64813]

@@lordpiggington5259 Ironically the Romans also believed that people who had lighter skin like him were inferior in intellect. So he probably shouldn't be spouting propaganda from a civilization that would've deemed him intellectually inferior.

[@lordpiggington5259]

@@X64813 It's like Sargon using the persona of Sargon of Akkad while saying Muslims from the middle east are the cause of all evil, they just don't see the irony

[@negao360]

Judeocristianity/Islam has entered the chat

[@thesneakygamer4343]

@@negao360 I was just gonna say that religion is basically the same thing.

[@pitdarkangel2961]

Fun fact: You can easily use Steven Crowder's logic to justify 9/11 as a defensive action against the American Empire.

[@qk-tb2df]

yeah it's almost like war isn't a good thing for anyone, and any justification other than being attacked is a shitty political move

[@TheDirtysouthfan]

Exactly. The “Christian Empire” had been killing subjugated Muslims in Chechnya, Kosovo and Bosnia for wanting to be independent, and the Christians had been bombing and slaughtering Muslims in their own homes. It is only an appropriate response from the Muslim empire to retaliate.

[@ObiJohnKenobi67]

@@TheDirtysouthfan Funnily enough US support for the Russians in Chechnya was one of Bin Laden’s motives

[@battlez9577]

@@TheDirtysouthfan how on earth did you think that logic passed the sniff test? West supported Kosovo and Bosnian independence. Islamic terrorism against Russia during the Chechen war is well known

[@TheDirtysouthfan]

@@battlez9577 I think you completely missed the point. Read the comment I'm responding to

[@NumbFlynn]

"I have to admit... these are a lot of dots." I'm dead.

[@uzimyspecial]

"vlad tepes was a little bit of a sadist" understatement of the century lol

[@benlyon8883]

Yeah, a guy who left a forest of impaled bodies outside of his kingdom to act as a deterrent for his enemies. I mean, just a bit sadistic.

[@nathanielclaw2841]

Even killed thousands of his own people, but if you say that you are a propagandist. Then i guess Bram Stoker is also a propagandist, since he was inspired in Vlad to make his VERY evil and bloodthirsty caracter dracula which clearly isnt making Vlad tepes to be a good guy. And no, im not saying romanians shouldnt look up to him as a hero, heroes kill people BTW. But painting the guy as a sane and perfect savior? Thats disrespectful for him

[@identdis4576]

Vlad The Impaler was a sadist after he lived in Turkey all his childhood and teen years.

[@AdamNoizer]

There’s a big underdog narrative surrounding him. Neo crusaders like to push the idea that everything he did was justified since he refused to pay tribute to Mehmed II.

[@brandondavidson4085]

Oh, I thought you were talking about the anti-villain antagonist from the Castlevania Netflix show, and I was very confused for a minute.

[@danastumpe8992]

Steven Crowder was the one who snapped me out of my anti-sjw phase when I was 17 because he said something so idiotic it made me just close the video and walk away from that whole rabbit hole.

[@takeshikovach5165]

do you think teens are consuming his content, like who is watching him now? its not younglings?

[@danastumpe8992]

@@takeshikovach5165 No idea. I'm guessing anyone who feels like a social outcast is a prime victim.

[@chaotickreg7024]

Do you remember what he said that made you leave?

[@stuffwithsoph8264]

Same, fucking same, I am far left but I identified as "right wing" due to some echo chambers I got myself into, but Ben Shabeebo and Crowder got me out, ironically

[@MarillSweatshirt]

@@chaotickreg7024 it could literally be his entire catalog and it finally clicked for them.

[@Aconitum_napellus]

Anybody looking to Steven Crowder for historical insight really doesn't care much about historical accuracy.

[@somerandomguy4919]

He only cares about 2 things 1 Money 2 His slaves

[@Machiroable]

I mean, the same goes for Three Arrows, if you truly want to learn history just open a book.

[@someguy4512]

@@Machiroable lol no , he give sources AND FACTS HARD ONES. if ur blind.

[@marie-angeavohoueme2077]

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[@fulcrum2951]

@@Machiroable compare three arrow's description to Steven's in regards to the crusades, then tell me who actually does the research

[@TheOriginalPoon]

“The Crusades were campaigns against Muslim aggression” Doge Enrico Dandolo: “I am blind, I don’t know what a Muslim looks like. I thought we were in Egypt when we burned Constantinople nearly to the ground”

[@EmperorTigerstar]

Next to the cause of the US Civil War this topic is the most eye rollingly "debated" topics that we already know the answer to but clearly deals with stubborn revisionists. Crowder is one of the worst when it comes to this type of thing.

[@brett66]

Right, you're dealing with people who desperately want to contort history into a neat little binary package to reaffirm their own fearmongering and cultural elitism.

[@nantzstein3311]

The Cathars never forget

[@slayerofpuss6717]

Trolltician you trolls aren’t even trying.

[@cowmaneater1243]

I dont believe that these events should be the basis of geo politics to be clear but many details should be debated. For instance several classes I have taken from middle eastern studies to cultural anthropology, and books I've read still describe crusaders as 2nd and third landless lords sons, all agreeing the average man's impetus in joining the crusaders were economic in nature. Yet these same classes or books ask us to believe genuine religious motivations of other actors. Even when let's say a jihad generates incredible loot or territory. I believe the wests ability to reflect and criticize their own past has gone too far, muddying a genuine attempt at rectifying years of disinformation

[@harrydamour7564]

Suck you

[@KevinElamMusic]

"Blood up to their knees" could very easily mean blood stains, splashes or splatters on their clothing, not necessarily that they were literally wading through a pool of blood at that depth.

[@Zafersan]

i forget the author but that is a direct quote. its a nice perspective you have but the contemporary sources inflate the number of dead. maybe one street had all that blood

[@Tracker947]

@@Zafersan Maybe the bodies were piled that high, and it wasn't actually just blood.

[@ishitrealbad3039]

I reckon you are speaking about the first crusade sieging Jerusalem? The numbers of people mentioned are higlhy inflated as no city in that time had that amount of people. Also anybody who beliefs streets in a city could be filled with knee high blood as if it was a river, is a fucking idiot..... that's not how genocide looks like, that's a hollywood romantication of genocide...

[@fluffynator6222]

I spend half a year in high school writing a scientific prepatory paper on this. Pretty sure they actually implied the pools of blood being that high tho that's obviously a exaggeration or maybe a misunderstanding.

[@fuckamericanidiot]

It means "blood up to their knees".

[@KingsandGenerals]

1 hour! My day is already better!

[@zmanafacation]

love your content man!

[@solk.posner7201]

Love your videos, keep on the good work.

[@bigdurk4115]

You do good work

[@A.A.0812]

Oh you're here too?! Love your videos

[@seltzerpolicedroid6666]

Love your video keep up the good work.

[@BBrecht]

How has Crowder spent so much time in the media, yet somehow no one has taught him not to breathe and sniffle into the mic?

[@lukeh2556]

I don't imagine the right spends much time trying to positively critique each other

[@highsun76]

Every time he sniffles i want to throw up

[@exodus3518]

probably by nit recognizing neck beards like you

[@lukeh2556]

@@exodus3518 that was childish to the piont of being much sadder than it was insulting

[@exodus3518]

@@lukeh2556 okay, if its sad can you debate the substance?

[@FishDinners]

28:30 To pitch in: I've had an Islamic education and yes, we learned about the slave trade as part of Islamic history

[@FishDinners]

@I Am Groot Not really. It was instead designed to be phased out, since slavery can be so ingrained in a certain society. It made slavery a "recessive policy" as in, over time it perpetuates itself less and less.

[@dr_lubaba]

I Am Groot slavery isn't haram but they have to be treated like a full human being with all rights but they can't have payment for their work and can not choose what work they can't do. More like modern slavery.

[@idenree8606]

What country are you from ?

[@pipelayer859]

@@dr_lubaba nope

[@dr_lubaba]

@@pipelayer859 There are many historical figures in islams who were slaves. Don't talk about something that you don't know.

[@torfinnzempel6123]

Speaking of the ancientness of beheadings and torture, in ancient Greek and Rome, slaves who gave testimony in a trial, were required to be tortured first, because a slave that wasn't tortured was assumed to be lying. This was what Crowder would call the "heart of Western Civilization".

[@yojelle1]

The crusaders were just having a heated gaming moment

[@Siamzero1994]

At least they went farther than any gamer, as they actually ate some ass.

[@candacecasey5634]

@@Siamzero1994 ewww

[@uhtmilk5032]

@@Siamzero1994 the absulute state of gaymers

[@khadirafarah1314]

@@Siamzero1994 Ba-dum-tissss!...

[@radiorender7163]

"exigua enim trolling " -Godfreyy of Boulion, 1099-

[@frankquist9601]

Wasn't bored a single second. Don't apologize for the length!

[@unknownusername5111]

Hoooold on how did you get to watch it so early

[@AdamNoizer]

Unknown Username Patreon.

[@MattieK09]

God. It was so painful to listen to this 1hr of straw-manning

[@eesmaaura4961]

@@MattieK09 what? He fact checking what Steven Crowder said, hows that straw-manning?

[@tjk9263]

@@MattieK09 You dont know the definition of strawman at all.

[@mrdude7518]

I know this is a really really really minor mistake, but as a big fan of Byzantine history I would like to point out that the Byzantine Emperor shown at 17:06 is not the First Crusade contemporary Alexios I Komnenos, but his great-grandson Alexios II Komnenos. It doesn't matter, this video is still great.

[@shmeckle666]

Any correction is welcome. Can never have to much information, mate.

[@2FadeMusic]

Liam Marra Correction: too* sorry I had to

[@jaimem4973]

Ludus you’re aware you can edit your comments after they’ve been posted?

[@shmeckle666]

Ludus thanks mate. The toos, tos, and twos always get me. I appreciate it, it helps to have a grasp and to have command of ones language.

[@2FadeMusic]

@@jaimem4973 yeah... ?

[@FeralDawn]

Yup, 'cause the Catholics were so nice to all the pagans and nonbelievers in the lands they conquered, Steven.

[@bosertheropode5443]

To be fair the spread of christianity was more peacful then the spread of Islam, yes many people were converted violently (the frisians, saxons and baltic tribes for example) but over all still more peacful then Islam

[@funstuff2006]

There's also a 'fun' episode from the peoples' crusade where a contingent of the crusader army was moving through Germany and thought, 'hey~waitaminute, why risk our necks trying to get to the holy land when there are these rich jews to pillage right here!'

[@funstuff2006]

@@bosertheropode5443 feraldawns comment was a simple illustration of Christianity conveniently ignoring the violence used to spread it, and you had to come back with some, 'yeah, but we were less violent than those other guys!' rationalization. You also left out the reconquista and the inquisition, the subjugation of the Americas, and all the other places around the globe where imperial/colonial euorpeans viewed themselves as being in the right when forcefully bringing 'savage' tribes to heel so that they could be 'civilized' by christian teachings. gtfo

[@bosertheropode5443]

@@funstuff2006 The reconquista was Kind of justified tho, at least till the part of the persecution of muslims and jews

[@bosertheropode5443]

@@funstuff2006 Lmao do you Think native american, oceanic or african tribes were peacfull towards their neighbours? I know this could be seen as Whataboutism, but its kind of annoying that just caucasian people have to reflect their dark past. The arabian and african slave trade isnt a thing on our schools (even tho it lasted quite a bit longer then the european one), some rich black guys on tiktok literally say that homeless white people are still more privileged then them, others want reperations for things neither them nor their parents/grandparents experienced, and some strange individuals, like evergreen State college students, want to exclude white people from their Campus and attack them if they point a damn finger at them.

[@kitsuwaifune]

Historian here. My training on the crusades doesn't make me an expert in any sense. My training was more readjusting my perceptions of the past to understand the past as a foreign land that I've never seen before. With this in mind I can't assure anyone that this video is exactly correct, however I can say you did an absolute outstanding job of at least explaining the crusades on a basic level. Most of your other videos deal with war related history which is not my field. My field is middle ages, late roman, and early Christian history. So to understand this history it was very important to understand what really happened with the crusades. This is all completely on point with what we went through at a college level. Please if you wish to counter someone on their beliefs on the crusades, share this video. I don't recommend using it in an academic sense, but I feel that's a given and not the goal for Three Arrows. So for what you were trying to accomplish you did an admiral job. Thank for your channel.

[@kitsuwaifune]

"Dark Ages is actually misleading and is very euro centric" THANK YOU

[@MrCmon113]

@@kitsuwaifune I don't like the term "Dark Ages", but no one ever said that it applies outside of Europe.

[@DVRKSHVYVN]

@@kitsuwaifune It's referred to Dark ages cause of how little written history is available in Europe , and it's solely based on western history, the same time era isnt referred to as Dark Ages when it comes to Eastern history. It's like saying Qing Dynasty is misleading because there were other rulers at the time in different parts of the world.

[@THX-bz8bi]

@@kitsuwaifune your not a historian

[@kitsuwaifune]

@@THX-bz8bi I am actually

[@agentdoodo299]

"Peter the Hermit was the Stefan Molyneux of his time" I'm dead bro hahahaha

[@larsfrisk6658]

@Colin Cleveland probably

[@bootmii98]

@Colin Cleveland I have the unfortunate experience of being familiar with his work, mostly through Shaun's videos debunking it. I'd call Stefan Molyneux a Hoppean.

[@rolfs2165]

@Colin Cleveland He certainly has the horizon of someone sitting at the bottom of a well.

[@MrCmon113]

More like the Mullah Omar.

[@bluesnail5042]

Why do people refer to the Crusades as if they were all the same and immediately followed each other. They transpired over the course of centuries and each had different motives and reasons.

[@pedroholsbach8592]

Because it's easier and people are lazy

[@AdrianCelsiusTepes]

Because it’s easier to only talk about the one that could arguably be considered like a defense against the Seljuk Turks and act as if all the crusades were systematically about "Christians killing Muslims in self-defense". To talk about the crusades separately would need nuance, and Crowder can’t do this because it would destroy his manichaean view of history.

[@azchris1979]

Well, for Cenk (Which this original video was directed at) it is to say Western countries are aggressive brown people killers and should feel bad about it.

[@pedroholsbach8592]

@@azchris1979 So it's to try to add the crusades to the many times through history countries in the West actually acted like that

[@pedroholsbach8592]

@@azchris1979 I actually agree with the intervention in Kuwait, afterall Iraq just invaded them without any reasonable justification. But the rest of your examples you're correct, I'm against the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan by the US, the intervention in Syria by Russia and coalation, etc But I wasn't talking about recent history, you know. I was refering to stuff like the Colonization of Africa, Asia and the Americas, the genocide of the natives of these places, the Slave trade, etc

[@yaketysaks]

Given that the actions of Medieval Islam against Christianity is the source of so much indignant outrage amongst the 'Alt Right' crowd, you'd think that their revulsion would also extend to the Pagan Norse Vikings. Of course, the Vikings are mentioned with total reverence for 'European culture'. I wonder why...

[@alnotbiggaytho7124]

Ofcourse the difference being that medieval Islam was much kinder on the christians.

[@braindamage2285]

@Contrapunctus XV lmao, if you really think that the europeans didn't start this snowball, you are pretty brainwashed and far gone into a cult. You seem to be pretty brainwashed if you think the crusaders promoted peace and tolerance. You *want* that to be the case since peace and tolerance is what we value today, but back then it was seen as honorable to conquer land, and the pope and his crusaders conquered lots of lands, and left everything in ashes and destruction.

[@Stegibbon]

@The Icon of Sin and there is no difference between Hitler and any modern alt right leader *cough* DRUMPF *cough* in terms of values and beliefs.

[@braindamage2285]

@Himer Samps even lower iq comment by you.

[@tigervigesaa1866]

@Winston Mosquehill To be clear while I am not agreeing with The Guardian Monke saying that the Ottoman had Similar women's rights today is not true. Additionally while they were more tolerant of jews and other minorities than many European states at the time that simply meant not banning them entirely. For example, many jews in the ottoman empire were still forced to live in ghettos, had to pay additional taxes, and were forbidden from owning property. A great resource about the ottomans on youtube is kraut's The Turkish Century. It is long but a very well researched and informative source.

[@fadechicobuarque1989]

I really don't have the stomach to do the kind of work you do. Thank you. I am glad you exist and do what you do.

[@anthonyantinarella3360]

@Trolltician Happy to see someone else sees the BS from this Marxist.

[@giogio6086]

@@anthonyantinarella3360 We're all waiting for this argument, but you keep disappointing!

[@Dan-si8fp]

@Trolltician wanna elaborate?

[@joedav67]

Anthony Antinarella I’m always amused by the people who come up and just go “he’s lying” and then disappear. It’s like the real liar is in the comment section.

[@joedav67]

@Achilleskneel Watch whose video exactly?

[@momspaghettis4527]

Vlad the Impaler just had a heated gaming moment when he impaled all those people give him a break

[@dylanchouinard6141]

Killing those two Ottoman diplomats by nailing their turbans to their heads and sending their bodies back to the Sultan was a bad meme, calm down guy!

[@artisanmage5378]

@Bas Baas looking at your channel banner with anti jew and white "genocide" propaganda, I am honestly not surprised at this take.

[@ee-ec9vq]

@Bas Baas not woke or breadpilled begone nazi

[@chuckthedragon5332]

LOL

[@thrawnprotocol9780]

@Aaron Friedman He impaled diplomats and civilians as well(including his own people).

[@alfatazer_8991]

Basically Steven Crowder *_"Why let facts and logic get in the way of a good crusade?"_*

[@Kurvaux]

Alfatazer _ Good ol EC references

[@TheGoblinoid]

An extra history fan. I too, sir am a man of fine taste

[@millerrepin4452]

Walpole somehow caused this

[@grips7813]

I wouldnt let anything get in the way of a good crusade 😉

[@Ubermensch9240]

Deus Vult! Is that how it's spelled?

[@akivaleider4427]

I love how he says the crusaders weren't just going around slaughtering muslims because they weren't christians because I'm Jewish and in school I was told stories of crusaders coming to Jewish towns and commiting massacres of men women and children but I'm sure these were just rettaliations to the muslim's "first crusade"

[@krankarvolund7771]

Nah, it was rettaliation for death of the Christ :p I'm not kidding, that was actually the reason given for most antisemite acts at the time ^^

[@homeboy144]

👑

[@CODELIRIOUS-sy8xz]

@Cal oy vey

[@philippebrunot4662]

No, it was retaliations against persecutions of Christians by Muslims AND Jews that were the accomplishes of the Muslims. Historically, Jews also helped the Muslims to conquer the Maghreb and Spain to destroy Christendom.

[@juanisaac5172]

Dood, Mohammed was killing Jews in Arabia for not becoming Muslim.

[@imjustboredleavemealone9055]

Steven "I only debate 19 year old college kids" Crowder

[@anotherrandomer]

@Anemo R didn't he get bitchslapped by one of them? lmao

[@AdrianCelsiusTepes]

Steven "excuse midlle aged mom, please try to debunk our health system right now so I can own you in front of my audience" Crowder

[@noahnicholas3221]

I'm just bored leave me alone he debates people other than college kids it literally takes 30 seconds to find on his channel

[@starmaker75]

Steven “I act like a jackass, but it works sadly somehow’ crowder

[@JacktheRah]

"And still lose"

[@surgeland9084]

The worst thing about Stephen Crowder by far is that millions of people listen to him.

[@SoeZ-M4]

@Noise Pollution Relax diabetus

[@MrCrazyLeprechaun]

@Noise Pollution You don't need to be american to tell that crowder is a moron. Just eyes and an IQ that surpasses the single digits.

[@banana1231234]

College students are really getting into Crowder. It's insane

[@oakist628]

Crowder is way more successful and viewed than this guy or any other lefty channel. And that’s with the special privileges Lefties have from the media and the constant attempts of shutting down non-liberals

[@thewisp7447]

@Surgé Land at least you Irish got rid of that pesky Norman Stefan Molyneux

[@ChillyBenpa]

I mean he’s a guy that thinks Ottomans existed in the 11th Century

[@philknox]

Are you going to argue that the Kayi tribe of Orghuz Turks did not exist in the 11the Century? You are nitpicking with a guy that is not an historian.

[@ChillyBenpa]

@@philknox thats basic knowledge. If you are going to make a video about history you must know history.

[@philknox]

You should make that suggestion to 3 Arrows.

[@melissarupert4925]

onox hamaju no you are nitpicking by ottoman weren't there he means wasn't close to the power and size they would be in the 14 and 15 hundreds they existed but we're not a threat or any reason the crusades happened like Steven Crowder was saying.q

[@philknox]

The only ones nitpicking are you and the incompetent creator of this video. Your side nit picked Crowder when he confused Seljuk and Ottoman. I am merely pointing out the absurdity of your arguments against Crowder a man that never claimed historical accomplishment. Your selective use of sources, and lack of understanding of secondary sources, makes you out to be worse than Crowder. Most of the actual academic sources cited (Madden, Riley-Smith, and marginally Asbridge) agree with Crowder's assertion even if gets some details incorrect. The sources listed do not include Hillenbrand which is a major omission on the Islamic perspective. This makes all of you agreeing with 3 Arrows look like morons. The irony is that most of you are not educated well enough on the subject to converse intelligently in spite of your pretensions

[@ornos3133]

“The dark ages weren’t call that because of all the knights” My news favorite unexpected pun 😂

[@1terminatorr]

As someone who grow up in the Middle East, i can tell you first hand, your average Moe does not link the Crusades with modern day west ... we're not that stuck in history. My history class didn't emphasis much on crusade atrocities either. At the end of the day, there are way too many modern day atrocities in the past century for focus to shift that far.

[@highsun76]

I'm from the mideast too and I can confirm. I think we took one fleeting lesson on the "fringiyun" and that was it. Where I'm from, we're dealing with much more impending and immediate issues, and we're not caught up in something that's happened centuries ago.

[@exodus3518]

@@highsun76 welcome to most of american students. The media would like you to believe something else, but no.

[@ishitrealbad3039]

sadly this is not the case for muslims living in the west.... or for the Turkish government in some sense...

[@highsun76]

@@ishitrealbad3039 lmao what?

[@ishitrealbad3039]

@@highsun76 Erdogan literally views it's relationship with europe as "crusaders vs muslims". Many islamic (moroccan and turkish) migrants in europe view europeans as their enemies and view western modern culture as christian. Literally overheard a group of turks argueing that "spain used to be ours". Anyone in europe who lives in a multiracial society and actually listens and talks to the different peoples knows this.

[@aviimax]

me every time crowder says 'they teach this in college': ....i don't think this man has ever been to college....

[@willowarkan2263]

Someone should gather a college curriculum from what Crowder thinks they teach, just to see how that ends up looking.

[@Jacob-yg7lz]

Because he hasn't. He went from highschool straight into being a "comedian" and Fox News hack.

[@willowarkan2263]

@@nixonesport1998 did you mean to post this as a comment to the video? I am asking because it doesn't really make sense in respect to the original comment or any other reply. So I was wondering.

[@nixonesport1998]

@@willowarkan2263 Fixed it. I was referring to the jizyah, the tax Muslims made non Muslims pay after they took their country. This video is full of misinformation

[@willowarkan2263]

@@psychic_beth I mean if they did they would sound even more incoherent. Going from low key conspiracy theorising to full blown paranoid talk, just short of claiming Jews are reading their minds.

[@lordlammi1562]

Short answer: No. Long answer: Nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.

[@FunnyBlackHole]

Jude Lammirato Short answer: no Long answer: Well maybe but actually no

[@starmaker75]

I think the Byzantine will answer that question

[@angeliparraguirre7329]

I hour long no

[@sarsath7481]

Backstroke of the West version: DO NOT WAAAAANNNNNT!

[@MrBassmann15]

I'm just going to assume that the long answer was in Darth Vader's voice.

[@scl1332]

Steven Crowder: “context matters” *when talking about Bill Clinton and 9/11 Also Steven Crowder: *proceeds to put everything out of context

[@highsun76]

It actually makes me sick when I see him do this. I've seen fear mongering before--especially with politicians, but I don't have the stomach for it when he does the same thing. There's something so ugly about him.

[@Fenris77]

@@highsun76 Fear mongering is when leftists basically claim there are "nazis"# everywhere... Or make up bullshit about Trump while being blind to Biden's errors...

[@thedabblesovereign458]

@@Fenris77 Name a leftist who is on TV saying there are nazis everywhere and name an error biden has made that the left has ignored.

[@Fenris77]

@@thedabblesovereign458 And Biden's errrors, how about the executive orders he made how many? Racial studies that to me sounds awfully like racial biology. Him screwing up jobs and then this about purging for example the US military from anyone that may have just voted for Trump...

[@thedabblesovereign458]

@@Fenris77 He is purging the military of white supremacists if that comes off to you as him purging trump supporters then idk. Also, please name some of the orders you have a problem with and you think are errors.

[@Ioraek]

"Crowder takes 10 seconds to make a claim, and the explanation why what he says is gibberish takes several minutes." Sadly one of the reasons why the bullcrap of Crowder and others is so pervasive

[@soyborne.bornmadeandundone1342]

So true... I feel bad for Crowder. Failed comedian turned cash hungry alt right talking head. Must be hard to look in the mirror for him... I bet he doesn't actually stomach a lot of the things he says. He just says them for cash... The guy speaks more than one language right? He has a decent educational background right? Surely he's not a total fucking moron right??? He's just a asshole who sold his soul... What a waste. Guy could do so much better in this world with his platform but no... He's a shit bag...

[@travishimebaugh8381]

Right off the bat he says that something is being taught across colleges but fails to provide a single example of it being taught in any college. It's a baseless appeal to the College Bad sentiment that his viewers lap up like ambrosia salad. In fact, to support the idea that this is a ubiquitous concept among the populace, he cites one politician's speech and a couple KZbin-based online news/entertainment sources aimed at a younger audience.

[@lispinlunatic9205]

@@travishimebaugh8381 are you pretending you were showed the whole video??

[@lispinlunatic9205]

He did not disprove this being a retalitory war. He reiterated war has violent bloodshed.

[@travishimebaugh8381]

@@lispinlunatic9205 *are you pretending you were showed the whole video??* There's no pretense, bucko. I watched this one a few years back when a relative was trying to sell me on how great Stevie Crowder was. Even then I knew how flawed his account of history was. Imagine my delight when, only a few hours ago, I find someone dug up this putrid scrap of self-indulgent, faux-journalistic jetsam and made a point of uprooting the flimsy excuse for Big Braininess buttressing it.

[@KilijHistoryKlcTarihi]

As a Turk we are toughed about how we enslaved people, how our economy depended on it and how it was a part of the Empire and its system. I don't know what the heck this dude it on about.

[@Benji567891]

You're also taught to deny the Armenian genocide.

[@KilijHistoryKlcTarihi]

@@Benji567891 Yes indeed I do not believe it was a genocide

[@Benji567891]

@@KilijHistoryKlcTarihi you're no better then steven crowder then.

[@KilijHistoryKlcTarihi]

@@Benji567891 Am I? That sucks am quit sure its a contested historical debate tho last time i checked. I dont even think most countries in the world see it as a genocide but eeh whatever right just slap the word genocide on it sure

[@KilijHistoryKlcTarihi]

@@Benji567891 The main issue when calling it a genocide is mainly that the supposed killings that happened against the Armenians happened mainly in the eastern provinces of the Empire. The Russian Empire and its Armenian militias that they armed occupied most East Anatolia. 1917 -1918 is when the Ottomans captured the Eastern provinces back and had to give up most of the land again during Sevr. The Union and progress committee lost its power during this era and most fled the country or helped with the indepence war. The conflict between the Armenians and Turks in these provinces is not really a genocide as both parties killed one another. The same happened during 1919 - 1922 with the Greeks, as it was conflict amongst ethnic groups. Killing ethnic Turks in Van, Bitlis, Malazgirt, Satak etc and of course the Turks didn't keep it clean either.

[@96robola]

I think trying to morally judge any medieval empire, christian or Muslim is a waste of time. They where all awful. There I did it.

[@TheShatteredEmperorpiece]

Robola Gaming I mean....your not wrong....but where would the fun be in that (hint hint...sarcasm)

[@KingOhmni]

Awful by your modern conceptualization. You're argument is lacking in merit sir as there is a distribution to that 'awfulness' that can be argued over. EG. Was Athens or Sparta better? Or how about, Moorish Spain or Christian Spain? Now you may not like such arguments but they are entirely valid thanks to spectrums and distributions meaning we can interpret 'progress' in one civilization as being better than another. Although I will say that morality not being universal means it is dumb to moralise such things and especially centuries later. Another example, The British Empire having an Industrial revolution as it was decent enough to outlaw slavery which in turn makes labour more valuable so people find work arounds to hiring EG water wheel power whereas the Romans never did outlaw slavery ergo they never got past a metal age even though they easily could have thanks to everyone just using everyone else as pack mules and such like. Same goes for the even more intelligent Ancient Greeks. So sorry, you really didn't do it.

[@96robola]

@@KingOhmni first of all ancient greece and rome wheren't medieval but lets out that aside for the sake of argument. Yes they where still awful by modern standards. They had really barbaric practices. Arguing over which empire was worse is kinda like arguing about which deadly poison is worse. They all kill you, so lets not mess with any of them. Also if you're gonna write an essay in response please feel free to use paragraphs I have really hard time with huge blocks of text thanks.

[@KingOhmni]

@@96robola Yeah cos that was an essay. Lol! Way to be condescending to someone with dyspraxia by the way and you missed my point it appears. It is entirely possibly to compare empires/nations and even cultures unless of course one believes in post modernist nonsense like cultural relativism. Just because some think it unpalatable does not mean it cannot be done. Good day.

[@Mrk3lly]

Facts !

[@UnbearableYT]

The guy who punched Steven Crowder in the face only performed "defensive" assualt.

[@dovahkiin2]

its called forward defence

[@donkimble]

You can always tell an honest person by their bibliography. I just found your channel (embarrassingly because of Rammstein - Don’t make fun) and have been creepily leaving comments ages after the videos were posted. But as an academic myself I deeply respect your honesty and rigor. That you’re not the one with 9 million views shows just how corrosive the medium is to the discourse. Thanks for the great work! I would donate, but like I say I’m an academic so I am paid in committee assignments.

[@BasiliskEyes]

Cheers! I discovered him because of the Deutschland video

[@dogeofgreatness2222]

I make no fun but how did you both find this channel from listening to Rammstein. I love Rammstein but the only history I have ever learned from them is a summarization of Germany's long history (the song Deutschland )

[@justiziabelle]

@@dogeofgreatness2222 daniel made a video about a rammstein song and that's probably how they found his videos, not just through listening to rammstein lol . they were likely looking for that song or discussions about it.

[@SunflowerSocialist]

I found Rammstein because of three arrows so you have permission to laugh at me

[@Able542]

@@SunflowerSocialist I would, but Rammstein kicks ass.

[@bigkroner766]

Can we please start referring to Molyneux as Stephan The Hermit

[@jbeil-byblosbaalback6850]

This is so fucking underrated

[@alfonso201]

LOL

[@KFro9k]

What about Stefan Mule-nuts?

[@thomasjess5029]

@@KFro9k Also underrated comment.

[@CripplingDuality]

@Scott Conner must be why his pseudohistorical treatise on the 'fall' of Rome is still up in an unrevised form despite the litany of factual errors in his analysis.

[@AdamNoizer]

34:30 Don’t worry about the length. The amount of energy required to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude larger than the amount required to produce it. (brandolini)

[@photon812]

By that logic: The Ottomans capturing Constantinople was just a reaction to the Roman Empire's expansion in the year 4 CE.

[@psilocybinx8596]

Except the Ottomans were largely Turkish and didn't live in Anatolia until much later.

[@Fenris77]

Meaning?

[@Howleye]

@@psilocybinx8596 No his "point" is BS, your own statement of fact should've made that clear

[@franciscomap75]

Your knowledge of history is lacking

[@ishitrealbad3039]

What.... you do realise islam didn't exist prior to 500AD right?

[@barkasz6066]

lol,. the Vikings and Hungarians regularly "desecrated" Churches when they looted towns. And yet the public salivates at the mere mention of Vikings and know nothing about the Hungarian skirmishes.

[@connormccormack7953]

I’d say the clear distinction is that both the Scandinavians and Hungarians eventually adopted Christianity and the tradition of raiding began to diminish over time. This is juxtaposed with the Barbary Coast rapings during the 17-18th century where the Barbary pirates under the Ottomans continued to raid the coastal towns of Southern Europe. Though one could argue that the former becoming Christian helped diminish the stain of barbarism in the eyes of a predominantly Christian West.

[@flaviusbelisarius7517]

But the tombs themselves where damaged not just the stealing of golden crosses ect

[@travishimebaugh8381]

​@@connormccormack7953 I don't know if I agree with that. Christianization MAY have played a factor in convincing Scandinavians not to raid the coast, but I've heard it proposed that a bigger contributing factor was the continentals building up their defenses and relocating monasteries away from the coastlines until raiding became too tough to be profitable. For the record, the Barbary pirates _also_ had to curb their piratical activity after the formation of the American Coast Guard took a lot of the potential profit out of pillaging.

[@xXRickTrolledXx]

Andras can you hear them? The winged Hussars are coming!

[@lordvenusianbroon]

I can't speak for the whole of Christendom, but in my part of the woods, during the numerous wars between Scotland and England - both Christian countries from the early middle age period onward at least, churches and religious institutions were regularly pillaged and destroyed by both sides. See for example Melrose Abbey in the Scottish Borders: Pillaged and burned by Edward II in 1322, burnt by Richard II in 1385. Lindisfarne had to be fortified against Scottish raiding etc...Then we have the protestant reformation, starting with the dissolution of the monasteries (cash grab by Henry VIII and other unscrupulous nobility) and vandalism and destruction caused by all sides of churches in the Wars of the three Kingdoms in the 17th Century. I am sure others in Western Europe have similar histories of desecration of religious houses and buildings that occurred in wars and other movements between solely Christian powers.

[@bernardheathaway9146]

It takes 10 second to lie 1000 times and several minutes to debunk these lies.. I felt it man! Your work is immense! Thanks

[@bernardheathaway9146]

Vlavitir glutginskiya In the west muslim people are the victims. In North Africa and East Asia christians are the victims. What doesn't change is that all people that suffer are poor. This is the only distinction where we need to focus. But at the same time is of high importance to stop the lies of bigoted people as their only aim is to divide based on religion, race and other things of minor importance.

[@satqur]

@@AnHeC You keep saying he's wrong but you never say how. Just admit that you have no argument but you don't like him contradicting your redpill bullshit worldview.

[@loonachan]

I was actually giving a lecture about the Crusades as a general subject the other day. It's an incredibly difficult subject to cover due to how much background information one needs in the political situations in the middle east, eastern Europe, and western Europe. I find that very few people actually try to approach the subject with the nuance it deserves.

[@mysticonthehill]

Yes it is and requires a lot of patience as most people cannot contextualize how different the middle ages were to their own lives and the modern political landscape.

[@whitegold2960]

Crowder shows vlad the impaler as a reason while the crusades were defensive. The guy lived literally about 100-200 years after the crusades, comedy ++ Edit: Ok I just realized that there were crusades after the fourth and also against the ottomans but I crowder has no idea they exist

[@ScorpionViper1001]

And sided with the Ottomans once or twice when it was politically expedient/convenient.

[@whitegold2960]

@@ScorpionViper1001 BuT tHe CrUsAdEs wErE dEfEnSiVe

[@SusCalvin]

​@@ScorpionViper1001Hey hey, Balkans. Its us, the Dual Monarchy. Everything will be just swell if you all join. I think it was a necessary balance between Vienna and Istanbul for a lot of these little Balkan states. I like how mercenary the Italian cities and city-leagues can be.

[@danieljohnkirby9412]

Yo I love how this dude with the non-History PhD is out here referring to the idea of a Muslim Europe as the destruction of "Classical Civilization." That's how you know he has had very little history education, in most disciplines of history (in fact AFAIK in _all_ disciplines of history) "Classical Civilization" refers to the Ancient, pre-Christian West. Which was indeed destroyed...by the Christian Europeans who smashed up all the temples of Mithra and the other _Classical_ religions. When I first learned about that I was like "Shit, that sounds like some ISIS crap right there."

[@connormccormack7953]

Daniel John Kirby yeah, plus the stuff regarding the destruction of the library of Alexandria is devastating too. Tbf to the Muslim caliphates, at least they helped permeate classical Greco-Roman philosophy and ideals back to Western Europe in some way, combined with the Papal States post- Ostrogoths and the HRE.

[@travishimebaugh8381]

Bit I liked: "They tell you in college Christians TOOK Jerusalem. Took BACK, they should say!" Right... so at what point did Christians control Jerusalem before 1099? If memory serves, it belonged to Jews, then the Fatimids took it in the 7th century, then the Seljuks conquered it (cue Crusade), then the Fatimids got it back one year before 1099... so when exactly did Christians have it in the first place? How'd they take it "back" unless they had it first?

[@cohorsevocata]

@@travishimebaugh8381 Jewish rule over the region had been largely over by the second century A.D., having been crushed by the Romans in response to several Jewish revolts. You could argue that since the Byzantines inherited Jerusalem in the unraveling and division of the Roman Empire and they were mostly Christian from 400 A.D., it had indeed been "under Christian rule". It's rather reductive to refer to that period as such though, as Byzantine vs Frankish rule and Fatamid vs Abbasid rule etc. aren't fully the same. Claiming that the Latin Crusaders "retook" Jerusalem ignores that the Franks didn't really have a claim to the region prior to the region.

[@travishimebaugh8381]

@@cohorsevocata Yes, you're quite right. I went back over some old notes yesterday. Evidently it has been a long time since I last studied this. But I feel my underlying point still stands; if "Christians" have a right to take Jerusalem after nearly 500 years, Crowder had best vacate his house so some native Americans can move in.

[@mysticonthehill]

The point still stands that none of those men's ancestors (franks, normans, swiss etc) have lived there. Nor was the christians living there members of the Latin church. So it most certainly was an occupation.

[@deathdoor]

This mindset that "Islam is a religion of hate" is specially infuriating for me here in South America. The things that the spanish did here with the natives... vish.

[@gerbenvanessen]

the christanization of europe was by murder and forced conversion. im glad atheism is growing to 50% of the population within a couple of years. getting sick of middle eastern religions, I'd rather hail Wodan, Freya, and Dondar ( not true, there are no gods) but yeah christians are just as bad and only those with short memories that identify as christian seem to have forgotten.

[@jakubmike5657]

All religions are essentially religions of hate. In every disscusion where both sides are equally wrong there is only one strategy: might makes right. I mean how could you possibly prove that your religion is true religion? By sword of course.

[@whocares3061]

Islam is a pretty hateful religion just as most others are. Not saying all muslims are hateful - just saying they are not truly muslim, since they dont believe in the supposed "word of god".

[@joebowden4065]

Jakub Mike please tell me how all religions are religions of hate? 😂 Sure all religions have been used as justifications and vehicles for hate, as have various political ideologies, National identities, pseudoscientific beliefs, traditions etc. I don’t really get your point.

[@subroy7123]

Nσ Gσđş, Nσ Mąşŧεŗş

[@ericb.4313]

The bit at 33:49 reminds me of a joke from Blackadder where in the first season, the main character's father (the king) is going on a crusade and leaves saying "The bible says to 'Love thy neighbor' unless that neighbor is Turkish, then kill the bastard!" Is that what Crowder's bible says?

[@ijustwannaleaveacommentony6511]

some neighbours are pretty hard to love. some neighbours take your love and throw it scornfully back in your face

[@lytoxel]

As a muslim I truly respect the unbiased approach you went with and the amount of research you had to do entering the history of a religion many are unfamiliar with, subscribed.

[@christophersnedeker2065]

Look into CS Lewis and George MacDonald.

[@omarhab3689]

Am Muslim and I think He is slightly biased and leaning to the left. I also disapprove of everything crowder said

[@anghusmorgenholz1060]

The best man who was alive then was Saladin my apologies for not being able to spell his name correctly. He was a man of honor.

[@nartali9683]

He is totally based, the crusades did start after centuries of Islamic invasions in to Christian lands, that's what literally happened. but some how for you unbiased means searching for every excuse for Islamic wars of conquest while shaming others😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@anghusmorgenholz1060]

@@nartali9683 no you are totally ignorant of history. The simple fact that you in any possible way think Crowder is a reliable person to get history from shows the world that you are even dumber than he is. He at least gets paid to lie to racist half-wits. You being said racist half-wit have no excuse. I find your ignorance appalling and you to be an offensive boor.

[@Serpico2406]

I do love this relentless fact-checking channel. Great job!

[@kevinroth1049]

"Actually, technically speaking, it would be impossible for the blood to be up to their knees." Rational thinking at its finest...

[@johoreanperson8396]

Over exagerating at its finest

[@yusuffusuy4971]

And that, kids, is why I subscribed to three arrows.

[@coryfice1881]

@Bas Baas Edgy

[@smile-tl9in]

@Bas Baas 6 arrows for you

[@trashrabbit69]

@@smile-tl9in Wait, is this a subtle reference to Kemalism? I haven't been able to watch this full video, so IDK if Herr Iron mentioned it here.

[@smile-tl9in]

@@trashrabbit69 not really i just said he needed a double dose of reason. What's kemalism ?

[@trashrabbit69]

@@smile-tl9in What (was) the principle ideology of Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, the man who dismantled the Ottoman Empire in Turkey and set forth massive modernization and liberalization projects throughout the country. Including giving women the right to vote (in 1930s Eurasia no less!) and using state funds to further public primary and higher education. Yeah... he did a LOT of stuff. And most of it went down the shitter when Erdoofus became leader for life. Edit: Forgot to mention that the "Six Arrows" of Kemalism refer to the six ideological pillars of his regime.

[@ChristianCatboy]

Wow... As a Christian, I find it deeply disturbing to learn that these perverse arguments have so much currency among people who claim to worship the same God I do. Thank you for at least mentioning that Christ's actual teachings are radically pacifistic, like "love your enemies", and "my kingdom is not of this world". Jesus didn't go around sacking cities...

[@ishitrealbad3039]

Jesus was not a pacifist, nor is christianity a pacifist religion. Jesus protected the helpless and destroyed the jewish temples. God also doomed major cities in biblical theology. "loving your enemies" does not mean that you should give them your house, territory or let them have your wife. It means that you should not hate yoru enemies, as they are as broken and full of sin as you are. And it would be a lot better for everyone if they would see that and make themselves better instead of fighting amongst themselves. You seem to sound like one of those hippie evangelical protestants......

[@MF-R]

@@ishitrealbad3039 C'mon; launching off at someone cause if their religion like that makes you just as bad as Crowder. Clearly this individual is on our side morally, don't pool them in with an overarching group full of people who malpractice the belief.

[@christianthinker2536]

Romans 13 and 1 Peter 2 give permission for the government to use violence.

[@salahsaleem518]

@@ishitrealbad3039 it doesn't mean you should deskin them or open their body open for gold or pull infants out of their mothers brest and crush their heads in front of the mothers

[@eazy8579]

@Nathtaly Roy there’s a song you might like called “Who would Jesus bomb”

[@Frosty14748]

Your intro sounds like the intro to a Dark Soul Boss: *Three Arrows, Mispronouncer of Words*

[@MensHominis]

The Defiler ... of English Phonetics.

[@rolandmorales4504]

@@MensHominis 3 arrow's accent is always really nice to listen to

[@weakboson7813]

Dark Souls confirmed to be historically accurate

[@fulcrum2951]

Are there stands in dark souls?

[@MensHominis]

@@rolandmorales4504 -- yes it is. I just made the joke for the sake of it.

[@sammosaurusrex]

“Were the Crusades Defensive?” Oh my Lord, where the hell do these people come up with this stuff

[@lastword8783]

Squim this is a real effort by the right to reinterpret the crusades. See the channel 'realcrusadeshistory' its full of bias dedicated to justifying the crusades.

[@starmaker75]

I don’t think weaking the Byzantine/neo-Roman empire(the Christian center) to where Muslims Ottoman saw it as a easy picking is defending Christianity. I guess you said this the reason why friendly fire should be off.

[@themarinaraman9580]

Drugs. Drugs or being evil.

[@kazaddum2448]

@Absolute Mad LadIslamists? Those were some raiders. Christians? You mean frankish lords? The battle had nothing to do with religion. Literally local lords stopping a raiding party. The franks got along very well well with the iberian muslims, vassalizing many local lords and selling them a shitload of slaves.

[@joebowden4065]

Parker Hetzel his point is correct though, islamic/Christian rivalry wasn’t the key to the conflict

[@redfoxtress]

The Crusades by Thomas Asbridge (wich is also quoted in this Video) is a fantastic Book on this topic. It sums up all major and smaller events and shows both the perspective of the christians and the muslims

[@Nostripe361]

Interesting. Thats how you should do it. show all perspectives. I like watching some history youtubers and one of them did a historian pet peeve video and one of them was actually how they hate when people try to figure out who is right and who is wrong. He felt historians should be neutral and only bring up the factual events. Cause you rarely have a Hitler situation where you can point out who is the bad guy easily.

[@Kurvaux]

Nostripe361 You talking ‘bout knowing better

[@Nostripe361]

@@Kurvaux I watch him too but the one I was thinking of was this one kzbin.info/www/bejne/anuZeoOeetCMo9E

[@fromthedumpstertothegrave3689]

Just started the video but my 'favourite' crusade was the one where Christian crusaders were hired as mercenaries to defend a city and then after defending it were like. "We'll take that payment...also this city is ours now too, sorry not sorry." Also one of the first muslisms I got friendly with (coming from a rural town literally never met any until I moved near london in my early 30's) explained to me that any not mental modern muslim uses the term 'Jihad' to literally mean 'Personal struggle' in practically any part of their life, not specifically to mean 'holy war'. It's almost like most people are just, well, people.

[@krankarvolund7771]

"but my 'favourite' crusade was the one where Christian crusaders were hired as mercenaries to defend a city and then after defending it were like. "We'll take that payment...also this city is ours now too, sorry not sorry."" Wich one is that? ^^

[@Youtubeisntlettingmeuseczech]

@@krankarvolund7771 Probably a modestly fucked description of the Fourth Crusade

[@MrGorillafist]

But recognizing people as people is just a leftist cultural Marxist lobster hierarchy conspiracy .. . But it's not the Jews definitely not the Jews, wait why am I surrounded by white nationalists *sweats in Jordan Peterson* Btw mega sarcasm here. Treating people as people is pretty good actually.

[@battlez9577]

In the 4th crusade they had been excommunicated twice by the time they got to Constantinople, and were used by a byzantine claimant to take the city, only for said claimant to be killed and a usurper raised, who tried to expel the excommunicated crusaders, leading to said excommunicated crusaders to take the city for themselves

[@fromthedumpstertothegrave3689]

@@battlez9577 hahaha, thats amazing. Crusaders: We're on a holy crusade! Pope" please stop. Crusader: No really, holy as fuck mate! Pope: No, srsly, plz stop.

[@KrazyKain]

Genuinely terrifying that the Crowder video is the first history lesson for some people

[@EluneMusic]

Michael Chrisman and I stand with Catholics who believe that priests should not be held accountable for raping children and should rather just be moved to a different parish

[@EluneMusic]

Michael Chrisman did you even read the bible...

[@EluneMusic]

Michael Chrisman cool i am agnostic. Doesn't change the fact that religions are just as bad as they all make each other out to be...

[@EluneMusic]

Michael Chrisman in the famous words of trump: "wrong"

[@tsarzamancorpdna]

@Michael Chrisman and you should educate yourself and pick up a history book on amazon. lmao thats such an over-simplistic lens to look through that any 13 year old with any sense can see through that shit. So what about those Baltic Crusades? Or the Sack of Constantinople? The Age of Imperialism? Gold, Glory and God? Bruh neither Europeans or people from the Middle east are the constant good or bad guys of history. It all depends on the context and politics going on around that time. Like my dude even childrens stories have more complex villains than the scare you're trying to push here. Read a peer reviewed set of books over european and middle east history that might change your mind.

[@cupofcustard]

Steven Crowder clearly wasn't able to hold Jerusalem in MTW2.

[@dominicperez3777]

Bet his whole army deserted by the time he got there.

[@starmaker75]

OOF

[@jeffersonclippership2588]

nothing stops the mongols

[@_chew_]

He probably had to abandon it to defend his own kingdom from his good Christian neighbors.

[@Mykil47]

cupofcustard that game was my shit. The expansions were amazing too.

[@mlovecraftr]

"His PhD is in Physics" Sounds almost like a parody of STEM people stereotypes, like an XKCD comic

[@456MrPeople]

If the dude has a PhD in physics, why isn’t he writing scientific papers instead of political hit pieces?

[@CripplingDuality]

@@456MrPeople because it's a lot easier and pays a lot better

[@fulcrum2951]

You can write something so horrendously wrong about politics with absolutely no knowledge of it whatsoever and still get paid for it

[@RAFMnBgaming]

Politics is easy so long as you reduce everything to spherical politicians in a vacuum.

[@NDOhioan]

Are you referencing that one XKCD strip about physicists approaching a new subject?

[@allnaturalfigjam310]

Crowder struggling to remember literally any year does not instill confidence in me

[@bearVshark100]

You’d think he would at least have some notes there to reference specifics

[@MaximilienRobespierre1]

"2nd crusades", how does Chowder even have a KZbin channel?

[@catnerdadrian7601]

"Headless man takes down dude that doesnt know about the crusades"

[@rasungod0]

The First Crusade was actually France invading occupied Spain, since the Emir of Cordoba had been raiding France. Crowder said the First Crusade was the Mamluks invading Judea? It is true the Second Crusade was a joint European invasion of Judea and that it was a response to the Mamluks taking Judea, but the Mamluk invasion would have been called a Jihad, not a Crusade.

[@Magus12000BC]

I think the OP's question is doubly prudent because if you ask any of the multitude of right-wingers in comment sections, convervative voices are being snuffed out by the SJW's at Google.

[@Vulcano7965]

Magus12000BC Is every non conservative point of view automaticly a SJW for you? That's so silly to assume! :D

[@AdrianCelsiusTepes]

rasungod0 the fact that you call the kingdom of the western franks "France" tells a lot about your knowledge on the subject. And how can the first crusade in Judea be a response to an invasion that came 150 years afterward? First crusade in the holy land: 1096 Mamluks in Jerusalem: 1250

[@carolinast94]

I gotta hand it to you, that did not feel like an hour long, and I was certain I was going to need to pause it and take a break. Very interesting and well paced. I'll definitely need to watch again to make sure I got everything, but the length did not hurt at all. Also, the part with the map of all Muslim battles. 🙄 Every time I think I've seen peak levels of fact manipulation from these people, they up the ante. Just wow.

[@Asrahn]

"Louder with Crowder" sounds about right. Just loud, no substance.

[@soyborne.bornmadeandundone1342]

"Annoying with lying shitbag" Basically...

[@ianbailey4213]

I watched one video and I was shocked by how lacking in any meaningful substance there was in it.

[@djuradjuric7161]

@Vlavitir glutginskiya "Aliens" Yikes

[@thevisitor135]

@@djuradjuric7161 *Independence Day theme plays*

[@narmer8431]

@@djuradjuric7161 curious as to why the use of the word aliens here is wrong in your opinion? (Genuinely)

[@krankarvolund7771]

"They were decapitating peoples just they do now" One of the Cursade's leaders, Bohémond de Tarente, to frighten defenders of a city took captives, roast them alive and pretended to eat parts of their corpses. It's not sure in the sources if he ate them or if he pretended to ate them. Now, talk me again of the brutality of decapitation :p Seriously, decapitation was an execution reserved for the nobility because it was one of the less lonf and painful death you get in that time. In middle-ages decapitation was when you were lucky, because there's a lot of things a human body can suffer before dying ^^

[@revanofkorriban1505]

Who knows if that's true. Chroniclers had a habit of making things up, and this may well be one of them.

[@krankarvolund7771]

@@revanofkorriban1505 Yeah, of course if a crusader does horrible things, now we start to doubt the sources XD But besides that, even if it was not true... decapitation was a thing in both camps, and one of the cleanest ways to die at the time ^^

[@revanofkorriban1505]

@@krankarvolund7771 You're being pretty silly. I merely said that it probably was made up by a medieval writer who wanted to tell an entertaining story, and you accuse me of being intellectually dishonest? That's bad-faith argument if anything is, and it's absolutely disgusting, frankly.

[@krankarvolund7771]

@@revanofkorriban1505 Why would it been made up by an author? It could also had happened ^^ There was rumours of cannibalism during the Crusades, Bohemond wanted to frighten muslims, why not staging a cannibalism scene? ^^

[@revanofkorriban1505]

@@krankarvolund7771 That's exactly why a chronicler would have that idea. Simply, it may or may not have happened, but it's not confirmed, so it should be taken as fact like you have. No serious historian takes the exaggerated accounts of past chroniclers without a gigantic grain of salt. In addition, there are many reasons why feigning cannibalism is actually NOT a good way to make a city surrender, which Bohemund de Taranto, an experienced war leader himself, would be well aware of. Would you open your gates to a cannibal's army?

[@MythicalRedFox]

As someone who's actually taken a middle eastern history class, the level of ahistorical kool aid one has to drink to possibly come to the conclusion that the crusades were "defensive" is beyond me.

[@Woodin_Woodstock]

Current History class from a PC teacher are propaganda, read original texts pre 1900 and you, will realize the bullshit you literally bought The video is typical PC Muslim whitewash that abounds on the internet, all part of the 1984 rewrite

[@pillcosby546]

MythicalRedFox In your class you surely learned about how Islam began in Arabia and spread VIOLENTLY throughout the rest of the Middle East? And went so far as to invade Iberia and the Balkans in Europe? Any war against Islam, which desires to conquer and convert the whole world, is a defensive war.

[@Nazdreg1]

@@pillcosby546 Once again the same misconception. I will give you an example: When Charlemagne violently subdued the heathen Saxons was that Christianity expanding? When Harald Fairhair pacified and unified Norway under his rule as a Christian king, was that Christianity expanding? When Alfred the great eventually outlasted the gran heathen army, was he valiantly defending Christianity from the heathen onslaught by Barbarian vikings? When Romans under Julian the Apostate were eventually beaten back by Sassanids it wasn't a defensive Action against Christianity, but when they fought Theodosius II, it was? Ah wait, Theodosius was Christian so he was supposed to be defensive, right? Yeah, Persians prosecuted Christians, that's why. So it was defensive on the Christian part. Right, so he was in fact defending Christianity against ever expanding Zoroastrianism. Yeah now we got it. Now as this video correctly states, Islam is not an entity, but a religion. So yep, many Arab caliphates were expansionist and aggressive, so were Seljuk or Moorish. That's why they fought each other as much as they fought Christians. And European nobility was by no means less unruly and aggressive, they just didn't come into contact with Muslim territory all too much.

[@medwinhsu3835]

Nazdreg1 my god damn hero ! You deserved a like for all that typing.

[@jonathanhirn591]

@@Nazdreg1 Slight nitpick to your otherwise fine post: Harald Fairhair was a pagan. Norway was Christianized violently by "Saint" Olaf around a hundred years after Norway was unified, assuming that Harald Fairhair was an actual historical figure and not a mythological character used by the Icelanders as an origin myth in the sagas.

[@DG9-q6f]

Unfortunately, some natural scientists do have a superiority complex towards people in humanities, so I am not surprised to hear of a Physics guy thinking he's smarter than any historian. The way he handled data made me curious what his PhD thesis was about, but I could not locate it. EDIT: Now that I watched the vid to the end, thank you very much for going through the effort. IMHO, an additional worthy shoutout is to "Extra History: The Crusades" that manages to capture a lot of the context that does not fit the Christian vs Muslim narrative either.

[@erikbeatty9711]

Don't let _______ get in the way of a good crusade.

[@michaeln.4838]

PЯIVET COMЯADE! Приятно видеть, что русскоязычные тоже смотрят три стрелы.

[@DG9-q6f]

@@michaeln.4838 Глобализация, чо.

[@michaeln.4838]

@@DG9-q6f, если есть желание, буду рад пообщаться в тележке.

[@davidr5284]

Hmmm, Must be elsewhere, here in portugal and afaik spain we generally view every alma mater has having its own different importance regardless of what it is

[@hanssack6675]

I am a theologian, specialized in church history: You are right. Crowder is wrong. First Alexios Komnenos asked Urban II for help but afterwards the european crusaders just took land in the middle east even after they promised Alexios to return it to the byzantine empire. So yes, in this sense it was an offensive war combined with unlawful landtaking from the first crusade on

[@marie-angeavohoueme2077]

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[@kenabbott8585]

You conveniently forget to mention that they took land in the middle east after Alexios refused to send the reinforcements they desperately needed and abandoned them to die. When they survived against all odds, they said 'fuck this guy' and then ruled the liberated land themselves.

[@kincsesd201212]

Alexios didn't send reinforcements because all of the byzantine forces were busy retaking western anatolia. He could not send reinforcements but the byzantine governor of Cyprus actually sent food weapons and ships to help in the siege of Antioch. Also the first crusade's leaders made a big mistake attacking fatimid controlled Jerusalem wich Alexios advised against. So actually the byzantines gave all the help and the best advise they could offer wich the crusaders almost always ignored. The story that the byzentines didn't help was propaganda mostly pushed by the normans leader Bohemund who later wanted the next pope to launch a crusade against Alexios.

[@konradvonschnitzeldorf6506]

@@kincsesd201212 nah, alexios didn't want to risk his army at antiochia after one of the chrsitian leaders (I forgot who) who fled, told him that it was a lost cause. But against all odds, the crusaders managed to beat back the syrian relief army by themselves and later saw alexios' retreat as treachery. There was also a big debate between the crusade leaders id they should stay loyal to alexios. Which basically split them between normans and french. Antiochia and bohemund and his heirs always had tensions with constantinople, while the kingdom of jersualem wasn't exactly an enemy of the byzantines, the enperors just lacked power projection into the levant.

[@jmadmaxx7295]

Ken Abbott how could the land be “liberated” if it by this point was a blend of religions and peoples, who were doing pretty well until the crusades and jihads destroyed those societies?

[@PaulMcElligott]

The Steven Crowder School of Debate: “Talk really fast to a room full of sycophants, and no one will call you on your bullshit.”

[@santiagopacheco504]

The only crusaders i like are the ones that pose and beat vampires

[@JW-xd8up]

I agree.

[@captain_swaggin4065]

Santiago Pacheco iS tHaT A jojO reFerEnCe!?

[@fulcrum2951]

Jojo for life

[@themadmattster9647]

Crowder jumped straight from 800s to the 1400s in that first segment, wtf

[@BlackAssassin1223]

TheMadMattster Crowder is an idiot

[@MrDavidKord]

They still had swords, so it had to be the same, right?

[@philipsalama8083]

I love that he uses the fall of Constantinople, an event that occured centuries after the end of the crusades, as a justification for the crusades.

[@BlackAssassin1223]

Philip Salama lol... next time he probably gonna said that the crusade was a retaliation from the 9/11 attack

[@thrawnprotocol9780]

He probaply doesnt know the difference between mamluks and ottomans the moro

[@august-5085]

You were so happy about the dark ages/knights joke and I'm not gonna lie.. I was too.

[@alonsoarana5307]

That literally was more humorous than anything Chowder has ever come up with

[@seand.g423]

@@alonsoarana5307 perhaps equal to Crowder himself...

[@tiffaneemoore9904]

all that "muslim invasion" talk in Crowder's argument is exactly what Rome did right before them and what Britain and Gaul did after them

[@nilsr.k.7007]

To put all land under Muslim control under one label is like saying that Europe at the time was one united Christian entity.

[@Davesknd]

Mate, that's the point. Crowder and his neo-fascists are trying to spin the world in a way that unites their WASPy friends in one massive army of god.

[@tonguemybumb]

@@Davesknd lol

[@vagrant911]

You favourite mispronunciation of words here -Kaiser Daniel, 2019

[@حَسن-م3ه9ظ]

33:53 thou shalt not kill is a mistranslations,it's actually "thou shalt not *murder* " The bible advocate for war, capital punishment and even genocide (remamber the cana'anites? Yeah...) on numerous occasions.

[@candacecasey5634]

What's the difference though between " kill" and " murder"? They sound synonymous to me.

[@حَسن-م3ه9ظ]

@@candacecasey5634 "murder" is unjust killing. Which doesn't include the death panelty, killing in self defense, and depending on ypur moral system...it doesn't include a lot.

[@leighjordine4031]

There have been more war's in the name of god than i can count. Muslim or Christian.

[@hyperion3145]

The genocide and war parts are actually presented as historical events rather than something you should still carry out, abhorrent but sadly was typical of warfare back then when anyone that wasn't apart of a massive empire was wiped out in one battle along with civilians. The book also states not to oppress the "stranger" since they (those Jews) were also strangers. There was even a limit on how many people could be sentenced for capital punishment and the requirements for a conviction. Of course, this is coming from me, a Jew. Christianity might have some more mental gymnastics to go around this.

[@notinsane4165]

@Artoria Pendragon because the whole stance on abortion is more about women's bodily autonomy. Also we're more for rehabilitation if possible and isolation if not and in extreme cases yeah probs death penalty. But it's based on harm reduction and minimization and not retribution/vengeance.

[@DrillEntertainmentNetwork]

people underestimate how powerful Steven's misinformation and propaganda really is

[@florinivan6907]

When you grow up on shows like Homeland its very easy to start seeing Al Qaeda everywhere.And Crowder is just pandering to those ideas.While its not true that watching terror pop culture turns you into a bigot it does nurture latent fears that someone like Crowder then confirms.And sadly pop culture since 9/11 has exploited these fears to their fullest.Homeland is not even close to the most extreme example.

[@Kedabonius]

but hes not wrong. 10 minute video does force a generalization and even he does this

[@deechonada]

@@Kedabonius who told him to fit hundreds of years into 10 minutes?

[@Kedabonius]

@@deechonada his air time. he has limited time for his podcast which he then posts to youtube/livestreams. whereas if he was only livestreaming on yt hed have all the time to do as such, the podcast lists his specific time in which he also needs to talk about current events not drone on about history

[@django3422]

@@Kedabonius I might be misunderstanding you here but... are you saying that Crowder isn't wrong? 'Cos... we just watched an hour long video explaining exactly why he's wrong.

[@Muslimah1987]

A lot of these anti-anti-SJW channels have been popping up in my feed lately. Admittedly, I did spend the last 3-4 years exploring the anti-SJW rabbit-hole (right up to Red Ice might I add), I did so more out of curiosity than conviction. Far too many folks however - especially young men - are really becoming enamoured by such ideas, especially when presented by those posing as the 'valiant defenders of Western Civilisation' and are buying straight into their message, without a second critical thought (suspiciously like the SJWs they love to hate...oh the irony). While I must be grateful for the valuable lessons learned from Molyneux et al, the inevitable conclusion of their worldview - a toxic mess of racial supremacy and hyper-individualism - made it impossible to accept. Then there were the gaping loopholes in their arguments but you already know about those :P I think channels like yours are our best bet to save people. The clear-headed, thorough examination of the subject matter instead of increasingly hysterical polemics (which I now realise is to compensate for the lack of real substance) - will win over levelheaded people who simply wanted the most accurate picture of things rather than one saturated with labels from either SJWs or the other side of the same coin. As a Muslim, this video in particular was a welcome addition. Sincerely, thank you.

[@jacoblang7840]

I find the world is becoming more polarized and radical. There is our side or theirs. We need to understand that the world isn’t black and white. Everyone says that, but they don’t believe it as it’s just their justification for their side. The crusades were bad, you just need to look deeper. The crusades were good, you just need to stop being so BIASED. That’s the word. The truth is everything and everyone is biased, so we should stop arguing about the past in a political sense, and just accept its history, it’s nuanced. there were good and bad parts to both sides and to simply lean on one is disingenuous and foolish. Especially average people. I watch crowder. I agree with a lot, and disagree with a lot, but would never say that he is either uneducated and ignorant or this ultimate intellectual as both are false. We need to realize fighting over these things will not help anyone and we shouldn’t be so ignorant towards opposing viewpoints.

[@jamesmcdonnell2455]

"As a muslim" ah so that's it, this guy is defending you and dogging your enemy. As for these type of videos showing up, it's just more proof of how KZbin tries to push everyone to the "left" (a.k.a. "progressive" yet authoritarian at the same time)

[@Ifoughtpiranhas]

@@jamesmcdonnell2455; FFS, could you possibly project your Right Wing victimhood complex any harder?

[@jamesmcdonnell2455]

@@Ifoughtpiranhas victimhood? There is no victimhood here, merely the truth. KZbin does have a "left"-leaning bias and is more likely to advertise "left"-wing videos. Also notice how I put quotes around "left" in my original comment and even gave a better breakdown of what I meant. The political compass has a minimum of 2 axes, so "left" and "right" are honestly useless terms.

[@PuffyZillaman]

@@jamesmcdonnell2455 Then how come anti-SJW channels are such algorithm machines the past three years?

[@mitchellbrecht2240]

OMG, Crowder just goes full on Deus Vault at the end! Jesus Christ!

[@Ubermensch9240]

HE SHALL TAKE JERUSALEM!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@mastatheif9909]

@Jack O'Jack he's high on freedom 😤👍🏼

[@flametitan100]

I was so caught off guard by the, "This didn't used to be called the Dark Ages because of all the Knights," joke. Well played.

[@dylgreco]

the moment he says its taught on campus and media its a dogwhistle

[@elitistdsaliberal1032]

Steven Crowder is a pseudo intellectual. Change my mind.

[@luftwaffle96]

I think Peterson is a pseudo intellectual. In my opinion, Crowder is an anti-intellectual.

[@basilofgoodwishes4138]

As is Jordan " Make it like the Lobster, be an Evil Monster" Peterson.

[@jakubmike5657]

okay I will. pseudo imply "somewhat similar to"

[@gabeclaufredd1099]

Psuedo intellectual is way too generous. Propagandist would be more accurate

[@burnttoast111]

@@jakubmike5657 You might want to look up the definition of 'pseudo', as it doesn't mean (at least to most people) what you think it does.

[@MissHeathen]

Crowder should be on GTA5 radio as a satirical radical conservative extremist. It's funny, but also terrifyingly real.

[@greenmountainhistory7335]

Space republicans

[@user-rj2tv1qi5s]

Nothing radical about steven lol

[@thevisitor135]

@@user-rj2tv1qi5s His stupidity and Dunning-Kruger Syndrome is radical.

[@tofu_golem]

He's not an extremist. Among American conservatives, I'm sure his ideas are quite mainstream.

[@thevisitor135]

@@tofu_golem A pretty low standard to go by if you ask me, considering American conservatism is so off the rails it unironically considers the myth that Hitler was a "progressive socialist" as a mainstream opinion, or even a fact, and labels anyone even slightly to the left, even if they would be considered a "moderate republican" in the 1980s(!), as an "EVILZ SOCIALIZT!1!1!1!1".

[@hadara69]

"When Fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." ~ Sinclair Lewis

[@FiveLiver]

Then it will be a power for good. Islam never is.

[@hadara69]

@@FiveLiver Same shit, different book of ancient myths (based on the same ancient myths), Trump chump.

[@hektivity6410]

@@FiveLiver "Islamic fascism is bad! That's why we need Christian fascism to oppose it!" Stellar logic.

[@FiveLiver]

@@hektivity6410 - the lack of logic is the original quote

[@hektivity6410]

@@FiveLiver What?

[@schmid1.079]

"They raided churches!" Yet somehow the Vikings are considered cool even though their main identity was raiding defensless monasteries and villages.

[@gorefieldluvr6921]

Actually the vikings did not raid and destroy as much as commonly believed, they mostly traded goods and were businessmen

[@theodorepatel514]

@@gorefieldluvr6921 they have invented capitalism

[@gorefieldluvr6921]

@@theodorepatel514???

[@theodorepatel514]

@@gorefieldluvr6921 they were entrepreneur

[@infamedepatates2502]

@@gorefieldluvr6921 They traded goods such as slaves

[@granzert1711]

Crusades can't be Islamic. The word "crusade" contains an altered version of the word "cross". In French it's "croisade" where you can see a similarity to the French word for "cross": "croix". In German it's even blatant: "Kreuzzug" contains "Kreuz", the German word for "cross". Isn't the cross a Christian symbol?

[@XellDincht]

the Muslim word for crusade is the "small" jihad

[@atm1947]

@Absolute Mad Lad that's not what jihad is bub

[@uncleubi9008]

@Absolute Mad Lad History disagrees with you. They took over gave the people of the book a special tax and ruled over them much better than other places that would persecute religious minorities. Look at any one of the classical caliphates. Edit. I don't like the word classical but I couldn't think of a better but I mean up until the end of Islamic golden age when this was still in practice. Also be aware that religious precaution was still a thing but it wasn't towards Jews and Christian because they are what the Quran people of the book or how we bunch the 3 religions, Abrahamic

[@uncleubi9008]

@Absolute Mad Lad I never said it was a perfect harmony. I just said that there wasn't a systematic attempt to erase Judaism and Christianity because the Quran states that you are not supposed to kill these people since they are Abrahamic in nature. They were given a silly tax and were left to be ruled and sometimes someone from their community could even be a representative on that province which has also happened on occasion.

[@sillypsyborg]

@@uncleubi9008 "silly tax" is still discriminatory. The crusades weren't defensive, but you don't need to downplay Islamic conquerors. Christian and Muslim rulers alike were assholes. In historical context, some were better than others like Salahuddin.

[@LunaticThinker]

In the wise words of Extra Credit: "Why let a little bit of cannibalism get in the way of a good crusade?"

[@namesnotjoe1394]

Why let a little blank get in the way of a good crusade?

[@LunaticThinker]

@Absolute Mad Lad Damn I didn't know Hammas were crusaders, they have invented a time machine?

[@LunaticThinker]

@@dragonninja3655 "The muslims were persecuting the jews" The crusaders slaughtered them by the thousands of them on their way to bizantine when the first crusades started. They looted them, too along with a few cities and towns they encountered on their way. Also, very few things were ever proven about the claims of cruel and monstruous behavior done by the muslims to hype Christendom into starting the first crusades.

[@dragonninja3655]

@@LunaticThinker no one is defending the looting or the mass slaughter of non combatants. Armies did bad things back then, everyone did it. And the Muslims had literally millions of slaves. And we're still sending raids to Europe to get more slaves. That alone was reason enough to start a fight. But we do know Christians and Jews were mistreated beyond just the tax. Even many of the modern day musilm countries mistreat Jews and Christians, though there aren't many of those left in Muslim countries and there is a reason why that is. Also the Muslims treated women horribly and with the age of chivilary that was happening in europe that only made the Muslims look worse. The Europeans definitely took it too far and were too violent (though again, that's just what armies did back then), but at least most of the crusades had good reasoning to fight. Imagine if Canada was sending raids to take our citizens as slaves, oppressing women, and oppressing Christens and Jews and imagine Canada had a history of conquest, especially against fighting the US. Fighting them would be totally justified. Crusades obviously went too far and too violent, and there were certain people who did really bad things, but there was justification for the conflict.

[@LunaticThinker]

@@dragonninja3655 No my dude, not everyone killed and looted the innocent. It's quite something that you say "no one is defending" while defending in the next breath. Your history seems to be lacking at best.

[@jordanrodriguez7502]

to quote the Blues Brothers "I hate Steven Crowder"

[@Magnolia_Fan69]

Jordan Rodriguez ~ Revs engine to run him over~

[@manholeeunuchsbane6197]

I hate Canadian Nazi sympathizers.

[@mattwolfrum7943]

Good god this made my day.

[@mattwolfrum7943]

@Heavy Metal Collector I'm pretty sure that was in every version. At least, I don't remember it not being in there.

[@ernststravoblofeld]

@@DawnOfTheDead991 That's OK, we hate Nazis who can't spell.

[@TheSLATEcleaner]

My favorite research paper I've ever written was actually on one of the Crusades, one of them that isn't talked about really. Everyone talks about the Catholic vs. Muslim struggle over the Holy Land, but my favorite, one that isn't addressed as part of the Crusades in compulsory schooling and that wasn't acknowledged by the Catholic Church until 1969, was the Albigensian (or Cathar) Crusade. It took place between 1209 and 1229 AD. And it was pointless. Basically, in a bunch of central and south-eastern regions [focused on Languedoc] of France, there was people identifying as Cathars, a group of ascetic Christians who didn't think highly of the Catholic Church. So Pope Innocent III sent armies, eventually killing somewhere between 200,000 and 1,000,000 people of the area. It was one of the events used to explain historical instances of genocide in the book that coined the term (by Raphael Lemkin) and the Crusade included such gems as the sentiment/potential statement "Kill them all, God will know his own" (the origin of that meme); a massacre of 20,000 men, women, and children at once; murdering priests in front of and atop their altars (Christian altars, I'll remind you); an army forcing the entirety of Carcassonne to flee either naked or in just their underwear (depending on the account); and multiple sieges decided by cutting off water supplies shortly followed by burning Cathars alive. The Crusades were horrendous, and defending them from the Catholic perspective is, for lack of a better term, evil. Edit: Three Arrows mentions it a little bit! I know he doesn't cover it much since it wasn't carried out against Muslims, but I'm glad it's covered since it's what I call a 'lost genocide', or a genocide that's been almost completely erased from the public consciousness (because, I mean, the only reason anyone brings it up is to criticize Christianity, which no one is all that interested with in the west).

[@MA-xl3zx]

That's interesting. I'll read more about it.

[@homeboy144]

👑

[@IM-tl7qv]

The empire called the inquisition because it threatened the unity of the empire and the Church decided to step in because Albigensians were getting rounded up and killed by secular rulers and mobs and wanted to stop the heresy. The idea that it was genocide is debated but irrelevant to the Church’s involvement. The secular rulers started a crusade against the Albigensians due to their rebellion against the state for independence, AFTER the Church’s inquisition was over. This is often brought up against the Catholic Church but this was simply a secular crusade fighting for the unity of the nation and it lasted about 2 months. The Church had no involvement with the crusade and only later anti-Catholic writings attempt to argue this, with fabrications such as invented statements from papal legates.

[@DonKrieg-382]

the crusades were even against christians especially the 4th crusade

[@IM-tl7qv]

@@DonKrieg-382 This is just flat out false tho, none of the crusades were against Christians. Yes, in the fourth crusade especially, crusaders went after and killed Eastern Christians but these crusaders were going expressly against the pope and were excommunicated as a crusade, excommunicated before they even sieged Constantinople, so you can't say the crusade itself was ever against Christians when the objective and instructions of the crusade were never to go against Christians and were always forbidden from doing so. Saying "the crusades" rather than "some rogue crusaders acting against the instruction of the Church" is just misleading as if the Church were complicit, involved or told them to.

[@mehwhyausername1]

very excellent analysis. uncommonly-high quality. Crowder's extremely uneducated about the topics in which he so vigorously professes to be an expert.

[@alessandromorales14]

Dr Downtime using bias right wing sources to talk about a complex history such as the crusades, is a fairly uneducated thing to do. It shows that his goal isn’t to treat history with respect but rather spread anti Muslim propaganda

[@yllejord]

@Dr Downtime still, googling a little to gather some curated information that confirms your bias is not education. You need to compare that with actual studying, reading of books, not random people on the street. Knowledge takes a lot of time and effort. People who haven't spent that time and effort are just in a nice comfy Dunning-Kruger delusion.

[@mehwhyausername1]

@Dr Downtime so what you're saying is that he's not uneducated - he's just an evil person who purposefully spreads lies to millions of people in bad faith. Got it.

[@oopsiepoopsie2898]

He is an expert example of the dunning Kruger effect

[@subroy7123]

Crowder's existence is a constant crusade on good drag.

[@exe.stoppedworking]

He is a waste of oxygen

[@TF_Tony]

"Islamic crusades". Does Steven know what CRUsade means?

[@joshuabrant3487]

Jihad triggers him

[@austinsmith3011]

I just double checked the definition of crusade in dictionaries. I see nothing incorrect about calling the jihads, Islamic crusades. Why do you think there is?

[@TF_Tony]

@@austinsmith3011 Don't check the definition, check the etymology.

[@austinsmith3011]

@@TF_Tony The question at hand, as you framed it, revolves around what the word crusade "means" not where the word crusade comes from as for example given in an etymological dictionary. Yes the word crusade comes from "to mark with a cross," but that is seperate from the what the modern word crusade "means". Ok.. so I will assume you wrote your OP based on the etymologically of the word crusade... so since it is not based on what the word means, I will stay with my original reaction to your comment : I see nothing incorrect about calling the jihads, Islamic crusades. The jihads were Islamic crusades and the crusades were Christian jihads.

[@TF_Tony]

@@austinsmith3011 Someone didn't know the origin of the word and now has to backpedal. I specifically capitalized CRU. Dozens of people got it, but you didn't. Also, Islam has no one pope calling out a jihad. Jihad is a philosophy contributing to wars between specific countries, baked into the Koran itself, but there's no one "jihad" where all of muslimkind is called upon by an imaginary Muslim pope to pillage the Western world. Three Arrows even mentions this in passing. Did you watch the video? I recommend it.