The Easy Way to Load 120 Film Into a Paterson Tank!

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Pictorial Planet

Pictorial Planet

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@elliotmarks06
@elliotmarks06 Жыл бұрын
I had a small panic attack halfway through loading, so I stuck the film back in the camera and came to watch this video. After watching, I went and loaded the film without any issues! This really is the best 120 film loading tutorial I've seen! Thanks!
@PictorialPlanet
@PictorialPlanet Жыл бұрын
Good job, keeping it all together!
@1accon
@1accon 4 ай бұрын
If I had to land a passenger plane in an emergency I'd want the maker of this video to be the guy talking me through it. So thank you for this video. Just watched this in Berlin and used it to load my first roll of 120 - without dramas. Appreciate your efforts with making it, the very clear and confident way you explain with just the right about of repeatition.
@SilntObsvr
@SilntObsvr 2 жыл бұрын
I've been loading film onto plastic reels since Yankee and FR were the big names for home darkroom. I never found 120/620/127 hard to get started on plastic reels -- where i had problems was on stainless. And when I figured out I could do *two rolls* of 120/620, one loaded after the other (taped together where the ends meet) on a single reel, I was done with stainless forever.
@davidpresnell1734
@davidpresnell1734 2 жыл бұрын
I like the kodak skirts! Ive never had a problem with them
@boredgrass
@boredgrass 2 жыл бұрын
Ah...I had a feeling, that getting the film perfectly parallel to the spindle axle might be an issue...The online shop I purchased confirmed to me that Patterson has issues with 120 and recommended Jobo I also found a comment that recommended Kaiser. In Kaiser reels the tracks have about 13 mm high walls! I ordered... .. . both...😉
@SilntObsvr
@SilntObsvr 2 жыл бұрын
@@boredgrass IMO Paterson and Universal (with the big guide tabs to start the film) are the best for 120. I've never had trouble with them. Photos I found of the Kaiser look just like Universal, so should be easy-peasy.
@fcallo
@fcallo 6 ай бұрын
This is a GREAT tip actually! I always get anxious and frustrated loading 120 in completely dark. Thanks so much!
@mueslimuncher1950
@mueslimuncher1950 3 жыл бұрын
You can load a second film behind the first and your developer will do twice as many films in half the time! Thaks for the loading tip. I wish I'd thought of it!
@user-hf5ww6zt7t
@user-hf5ww6zt7t Жыл бұрын
This was a super smashing tutorial. I'm just now preparing to get back into B&W photography after being away from it for over 40 years. Previously, I used stainless reels and tanks. I've never used a Peterson tank and reel, so I've felt concern about how to start the film on the reel. Your technique has given me the answer I need to be successful. Thanks for sharing your knowledge about this process. Super video. Well done!
@PictorialPlanet
@PictorialPlanet Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@jamessprenger7340
@jamessprenger7340 Жыл бұрын
Even though this installment is a year old, as a recent subscriber I wasn't able to see it till now. I've been using stainless steel tanks with Hewes reels for years. However for developing four or five rolls of 120 at a time I decided to try the Peterson 2.5 liter tank. I was simply having too much trouble loading the reels, though, and put off starting to use them. Then I saw this video. Genius! This trick makes loading the reels so much easier. I recently returned from a 23 day cruise through the Caribbean and the Panama Canal and back and I had twenty five rolls of 120 film to develop. So I had five development sessions as opposed to the thirteen I would have needed for my two reel stainless tanks. This video helped to make that task so much easier. Thank you!
@PictorialPlanet
@PictorialPlanet Жыл бұрын
Yay! That's what I like to hear!
@marike1100
@marike1100 Жыл бұрын
Nice tips, very useful. I put a small piece of scotch tape on the left hand side directly under the left tab. That way in the changing bag I can immediately locate the left tab, and quickly line up the right tab guide. It’s been working but I like the old piece of film trick. Thank you!
@PictorialPlanet
@PictorialPlanet Жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@ackamack101
@ackamack101 Жыл бұрын
I was so happy to see that you use the tape-end of the roll to put it on the reel. I think the folded over tape acts as a good guide to get it onto the reel. Awesome. 😀
@PictorialPlanet
@PictorialPlanet Жыл бұрын
Yes, and helps make the end stiffer. Glad you're onboard!
@teenaoakleyart2700
@teenaoakleyart2700 5 ай бұрын
I just had to comment. I’ve watched several KZbin tutorials about this, and no one else has come even close to explaining it as well as you have. They all miss bits out, assuming that people know a certain amount about developing, eg terms, etc. Thank you so much for this video, I now feel much more confident for when my developing tank arrives. Liked and subscribed 🙏
@PictorialPlanet
@PictorialPlanet 5 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@Richard-mz7qu
@Richard-mz7qu 11 ай бұрын
Brilliant! That loading tip is by far the best I've seen. One less hurdle to jump. Thank you sir.
@snakeyjakey7643
@snakeyjakey7643 Жыл бұрын
Brilliant video. I have been shooting and developing medium format for about 3 years. Must have processed at least 50-60 rolls, yet I have learned so much from your video (I could never figure out what to do with the sticky tape at the end of the roll). Thanks so much!
@PictorialPlanet
@PictorialPlanet Жыл бұрын
You're very welcome and thanks for your comment!
@Being_Joe
@Being_Joe Жыл бұрын
Good tips. I have ditched the Paterson film reels and replaced with the Arista Premium Reels, they make a world of a difference.
@centurybug
@centurybug Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the insightful and methodical video walking through the process! Just loaded my first roll of 120 without issue. Going to go develop it as soon as my chemicals are warmed up!
@PictorialPlanet
@PictorialPlanet Жыл бұрын
Congrats!
@M___S___404
@M___S___404 Жыл бұрын
Just tried your film guiding trick. Worked like a charm in the dark!
@kappios78
@kappios78 11 ай бұрын
this tutorial was amazing! and your tone and voice is so, honestly excited about teaching - it's amazing!
@HaterHater519
@HaterHater519 3 жыл бұрын
recently got into developing film due to labs shutting down and running out of chemicals. This tip helped me out tremendously never thought about this one!
@PictorialPlanet
@PictorialPlanet 3 жыл бұрын
Good stuff Liam! Stick with us here and you'll never go back to those labs.
@tomsun3159
@tomsun3159 Жыл бұрын
Really great advisory, can't wait to get the rolleis back from service (after 50 years for the first time), unfortunately i had to get rid of fathers darkroom, so i have to start again.
@PictorialPlanet
@PictorialPlanet Жыл бұрын
Go for it!
@johanvanhuyssteen9217
@johanvanhuyssteen9217 2 жыл бұрын
This is so amazing. That one tip is just such a game-changer for me. Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge, I appreciate it.
@PictorialPlanet
@PictorialPlanet 2 жыл бұрын
You are very welcome Johan!
@merima632
@merima632 2 жыл бұрын
you're a natural teacher. thank you for the tutorial !!
@PictorialPlanet
@PictorialPlanet 2 жыл бұрын
Cheers, Merima!
@andrewgreen1355
@andrewgreen1355 3 жыл бұрын
I am thinking of moving to medium format but have been a bit daunted about loading the film for development. I thought you video was very useful. Thanks
@PictorialPlanet
@PictorialPlanet 3 жыл бұрын
You're welcome Andrew!
@mrfurrutia
@mrfurrutia 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the tutorial! I'm just trying to get back on B/W film photography after 20 years and while I remember a lot of the basics I never got the chance to try 120 or 4x5, so the excitement and fear of trying something technically new can be overwhelming and discouraging, but clear and simple videos like yours help me to try, stop worrying and enjoy the ride...
@PictorialPlanet
@PictorialPlanet 2 жыл бұрын
That's good to hear Fernando! Keep on watching, there's plenty more to come.
@johnward2964
@johnward2964 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent tips...especially the twizzle stick tip! Thank you kindly.
@PictorialPlanet
@PictorialPlanet 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you, John!
@PictorialPlanet
@PictorialPlanet 2 жыл бұрын
RAF?
@matta7647
@matta7647 3 ай бұрын
I never would have thought. I’ve always removed the tape thinking it might be bad for the chemistry. And never removed the paper first. So then I’m always struggling to tear it off with the film mostly in the reel at the end. AND I can see how the tape would make it a tad stiffer, therefore easier to start. Brilliant! Thanks!!
@GirdHerd
@GirdHerd 7 ай бұрын
I've loaded dozens of 120 reels and never thought of removing all the paper first. Thanks for the tip. I'll try that the next time.
@sushi_donut
@sushi_donut 2 жыл бұрын
So many INCREDiBLE tips in this one video. I'm gobsmacked. This is clearly years of experience and tricks generously shared for everyone. Thank you!!!
@PictorialPlanet
@PictorialPlanet 2 жыл бұрын
What a kind comment! Thank you, d.
@sushi_donut
@sushi_donut 2 жыл бұрын
@@PictorialPlanet You are so welcome!! I just got into my first medium format system, and this is the first tutorial that makes me feel confident enough to do it 😅 I'll definitely be using your example if anyone asks me how to start as well. So, thank you from the community!!
@markillsley6488
@markillsley6488 3 жыл бұрын
The template idea is great. I quickly stopped using my paterson reel for 120 film after getting my hands on a couple of AP reels. They fit the paterson tank just the same but the extra guides make loading 120 and indeed 35mm film a lot easier. AP Reels are cheap as well, I always recommend them for 120 film instead of paterson reels.
@PictorialPlanet
@PictorialPlanet 3 жыл бұрын
Good to know, Mark!
@randomsixty
@randomsixty 2 жыл бұрын
Where can someone find an AP reel?
@Shutternutteruk
@Shutternutteruk 3 жыл бұрын
John, the film template idea is genius...another brilliantly informative video. Thank you.
@PictorialPlanet
@PictorialPlanet 3 жыл бұрын
Cheers Charles!
@Shutternutteruk
@Shutternutteruk 3 жыл бұрын
@@PictorialPlanet and it works a treat...I’ve just loaded a film in record time with no creases after years of struggling!
@PictorialPlanet
@PictorialPlanet 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome!
@paulhyde1834
@paulhyde1834 9 ай бұрын
I've used Paterson tanks all my photographic 'life' and like them a lot! Now in my late 60's I have Diabetic Neuropathy and I am loosing the sensation in my fingers! I think your tutorial has saved my bacon. Thank you!
@PictorialPlanet
@PictorialPlanet 9 ай бұрын
It makes me very happy, Paul, that you can keep making photographs! Drop me a line if you want to chat.
@paulhyde1834
@paulhyde1834 9 ай бұрын
@@PictorialPlanet Yes, will do! I've just looked at your post re: taking the ball bearings out of the spiral.... I might give that a try, as I have more spirals than I'll ever need I won't be risking anything. Regarding feeding the film in via the 'tapped' end, it never dawned on me that you don't HAVE to remove the tape! I did try this yesterday as I was getting so frustrated by the 'curly' end of the film.... But, so as to avoid the tendency of the film to curl (as shown at 6'11") I put a heavy 'drying clip' at the 'bottom end' of the film which, with the help of gravity, made it hang 'flat and open' without curling around my thumb! - if you see what I mean! Best wishes, and thanks again! Paul
@PictorialPlanet
@PictorialPlanet 9 ай бұрын
@paulhyde1834 the heavy drying clip is a really good idea. I'm always happy that so many great ideas come up in my viewer comments, Paul! Yes, it's worth a try with the removal of the ball bearings on a spare reel. I find it allows me to feed the film in so much more easily.
@jumpingjohn280459
@jumpingjohn280459 3 жыл бұрын
Brilliant advice - Thank you. Even the tip about leaving the tape on was really helpful.
@PictorialPlanet
@PictorialPlanet 3 жыл бұрын
Cheers John!
@jaysan12
@jaysan12 Жыл бұрын
brilliant tutorial. I've developed several 120 mm rolls since I watched this. Thanks!!
@PictorialPlanet
@PictorialPlanet Жыл бұрын
Good news!
@BarwickGreen
@BarwickGreen Жыл бұрын
Some useful tips. I make loading the film onto the reel much easier by using Kaiser reels which have "wings" making it much easier to get the film started.
@PictorialPlanet
@PictorialPlanet Жыл бұрын
I have one of those reels. Yes, the wings make it easier to load, for sure.
@kenblair2538
@kenblair2538 2 жыл бұрын
Great tip. First time I tried this, something got jammed and had to resort to my old method, called, struggle. Tried again today, it worked !. Must have been my 75 yr. old fingers , first try. Thanks. KB
@PictorialPlanet
@PictorialPlanet 2 жыл бұрын
That's good to hear Ken. Have you removed the little ball bearings from your Paterson reel? It helps loading for me to always take them out.
@kenblair2538
@kenblair2538 2 жыл бұрын
@@PictorialPlanet No have not removed balls, as I do use these for 35mm also. With 35mm, I start the leader in day light, as the first few inches are already exposed .
@PictorialPlanet
@PictorialPlanet 2 жыл бұрын
Me too but I find the end stays in ok.
@sccjono
@sccjono 2 жыл бұрын
Why have I never realised to use the tape end to load first? Great tip and well explained. Thank you.
@jhenline7813
@jhenline7813 Жыл бұрын
Good tip re using a short strip of negatives to aid in threading the film, but I don’t remove all the backing paper first. I only separate the beginning of the film from the paper. The paper falls away naturally as you wind and therefore you minimise handling the film.
@PictorialPlanet
@PictorialPlanet Жыл бұрын
Thanks for your comment and kind words.
@heinzhagenbucher4714
@heinzhagenbucher4714 10 ай бұрын
The very best tip I've seen so far. Thank you so much.
@eleanorburns8686
@eleanorburns8686 2 жыл бұрын
This inspired tip will be invaluable when I finally work up the nerve to start shooting x
@martinlyons2566
@martinlyons2566 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for taking the time to share your knowledge. I destroyed two rolls of 120 today, I'm more used to 35mm. I shall try again.....
@PictorialPlanet
@PictorialPlanet Жыл бұрын
We've all been there :) Practice makes perfect 👌
@annespellberg7173
@annespellberg7173 Жыл бұрын
Oh how helpful! Thank you! So much great information, so many helpful tips! Thank you! I just got my first Rollei, can't wait to develop it myself, it will save a fortune!
@PictorialPlanet
@PictorialPlanet Жыл бұрын
Yes, home development will really open up possibilities.
@stevehughes2133
@stevehughes2133 2 жыл бұрын
Using old negs for a template to start the film in the reel - GREAT!!!! THANKS!!!!
@PictorialPlanet
@PictorialPlanet 2 жыл бұрын
You got it, Steve!
@josephawatson
@josephawatson 3 жыл бұрын
that tape bit on the end will help me tremendously. I dont have a problem starting the film on the reel its getting it to keep going seems to bind at some point and wont go on. I am going to try that.
@PictorialPlanet
@PictorialPlanet 3 жыл бұрын
Binding of the film, when it gets stuck, can be a real issue. I find keeping the reels very clean and making sure they are absolutely dry helps a lot. If my film does bind wiggling the reels seems to get it past the tough bit.
@tikkafoxer
@tikkafoxer 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you, this a verry good tip ! I always hassle with 120 film, it got much better since I use a spool with lage lips.
@steveweston5902
@steveweston5902 3 жыл бұрын
This was a timely one John. I usually use a durst to LPL tank with stainless steel reels but decided to use the Paterson tank for a change following the tip about the lid. It took me an age to get the film on the reel. I will definitely be trying this out next time.
@andyvan5692
@andyvan5692 3 жыл бұрын
one interesting fix for this, do like the LF guys do loading the sheet holders, put thumb and index finger on the entrance barbs and feed towards your other hand, should give a tactile sense if the film has gone in.
@mirandaleung1119
@mirandaleung1119 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing 😊
@PictorialPlanet
@PictorialPlanet Жыл бұрын
Cheers, Miranda!
@jean-claudemuller3199
@jean-claudemuller3199 2 жыл бұрын
I'self make it the complete opposite way and it works fine too 😂 When unwinding the film roll I put the end off the film into the spool as soon as the film appears. I grab the film end with two fingers and pull directly in the spool (I don't push it) I pull it for about half of a spool wind. (Entrance of the spool is easy to find in the dark by touching with the fingers) After I simply make the back and forth mouvement with the spool, film unwinds itself and the paper rolls up separately by it's own When arriving at the beginning of the film, I tear the tape in front of the film, put the paper away, wind completely the rest of the film into the spool.
@yosoyalquan
@yosoyalquan 3 жыл бұрын
Best video on KZbin!!! Saved me a trip back to the store to return 😂😂
@PictorialPlanet
@PictorialPlanet 3 жыл бұрын
That's good news! Glad you liked it, alquan.
@rhohoho
@rhohoho Жыл бұрын
Thank you this helped me a lot with loading my first roll of 120!
@PictorialPlanet
@PictorialPlanet Жыл бұрын
I'm glad it helped, Ryan! Your first roll of 120? Welcome to the medium format club my friend.
@rhohoho
@rhohoho Жыл бұрын
@@PictorialPlanet Thank you kindly!
@helenwatkins2587
@helenwatkins2587 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you, this is so helpful! I've just bought a 1924 Kodak and after some renovation work I was very excited to load my first 120 film in it today with spool adapters. Now I've shot the film I wasn't sure how to split the film from the backing paper to get it into my Paterson tank. This was so clear and some great tips, thank you!
@PictorialPlanet
@PictorialPlanet 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you, Helen! So glad the video helped.
@peterkreindl2037
@peterkreindl2037 Жыл бұрын
Thank You for shortening my ages of loading film in a Paterson or Jobo tank :-)))
@PictorialPlanet
@PictorialPlanet Жыл бұрын
You're very welcome!
@Christotheb
@Christotheb Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video! I just finished developing my first 120 roll. Despite it being the same stock that I've developed dozens of times in 35mm format, I was very nervous. All went well thankfully, even with my homebrew rodinal...
@PictorialPlanet
@PictorialPlanet Жыл бұрын
Good job, C!
@dalehammond1749
@dalehammond1749 Жыл бұрын
This was brilliantly done, thanks. I have never been able to develop 120 with the plastic ratchet Paterson reels. I'm sure with practice, this would work for me.
@PictorialPlanet
@PictorialPlanet Жыл бұрын
Thanks Dale.
@Liampanto
@Liampanto 2 ай бұрын
This video changed my life
@noahgoddard99
@noahgoddard99 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the tips boss
@PictorialPlanet
@PictorialPlanet Жыл бұрын
A pleasure
@OskarFilms
@OskarFilms 3 жыл бұрын
As usual, outstanding tip, John. Purchased a Rolleiflex with a 3.5F Tessar TLR lens last week and shot a test roll of Pan F with it this afternoon. I will be using this tip in the darkroom. Merry Christmas, my friend!
@PictorialPlanet
@PictorialPlanet 3 жыл бұрын
Merry Christmas to you and your family Frank!
@mrca2004
@mrca2004 Жыл бұрын
With the end of the paper folded over, I like to make a 1/2 inch cut in the end of the sealing strip so it's easy to tear open in the changing bag.
@PictorialPlanet
@PictorialPlanet Жыл бұрын
Good tip, Bob!
@telecomprofi
@telecomprofi Жыл бұрын
great advise for a beginner, thanks a million!
@PictorialPlanet
@PictorialPlanet Жыл бұрын
Thanks, Tele!
@eugenehvorostyanov2409
@eugenehvorostyanov2409 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you, sir! Your explanation is filled with warmth. 👍❤️
@PictorialPlanet
@PictorialPlanet 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you, Eugene
@theblackandwhitefilmproject
@theblackandwhitefilmproject 3 жыл бұрын
Great video. I use plastic kitchen gloves- really cheap- when I'm handling film. Very thin and if I sweat in the dark bag it's no sweat!
@taylordelench
@taylordelench 2 жыл бұрын
This video makes me feel better about accidentally touching the film, this guy is putting his fingers all over it!
@PictorialPlanet
@PictorialPlanet 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, you don't have to worry, Taylor, just make sure you have clean hands.
@celestialemissary4934
@celestialemissary4934 3 жыл бұрын
I hold with one hand the plastic spool and with other hand paper back and just pull. Film will roll it self you don't have to touch it. Film template is really nice tip that I will use for sure :) I use Jobo tank and reel and you don't even have to twist the reel since film sides get out of the reel so you can just use that to guide the film in.
@PictorialPlanet
@PictorialPlanet 3 жыл бұрын
That's great!
@Hugmir
@Hugmir 29 күн бұрын
This might end up helping me a lot. Thanks!
@robcanis
@robcanis 3 жыл бұрын
Great tip, John. Very useful for thin films like Fomapan which are fidly to load.
@ianclarke2633
@ianclarke2633 3 жыл бұрын
Some brilliant tips there. Thanks
@PictorialPlanet
@PictorialPlanet 3 жыл бұрын
Thank, Ian!
@flowermaze___
@flowermaze___ 4 ай бұрын
7:50 the turning with a twizzle stick is this a colour neg step? For BW is the standard agitation by moving gently around the same as with 35mm? 🔄
@PictorialPlanet
@PictorialPlanet 4 ай бұрын
You can use the twizzle stick for black and white.
@flowermaze___
@flowermaze___ 4 ай бұрын
@@PictorialPlanet is that instead of agitating by inverting the Patterson tank?
@PictorialPlanet
@PictorialPlanet 4 ай бұрын
@flowermaze___ yes, kzbin.info/www/bejne/i5WQcqpsipx-fpYsi=dBsm2ktHweHK8Tv5
@leidyescobar3926
@leidyescobar3926 Жыл бұрын
Excelente tutorial, Gracias, Saludos desde Colombia.
@PictorialPlanet
@PictorialPlanet Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@btpuppy2
@btpuppy2 2 жыл бұрын
Great tips, especially the dummy film acting as a guide! Thanks!
@PictorialPlanet
@PictorialPlanet 2 жыл бұрын
Your welcome bt
@ndavid42
@ndavid42 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you, this was the best explanation and presentation!
@PictorialPlanet
@PictorialPlanet 2 жыл бұрын
You're very welcome!
@midios22
@midios22 7 ай бұрын
Muy buen video, justo estaba vierndo como simplificar esto. Fui muy util. Muchas gracias, voy a probar. Ricardo desde Argentina.
@PictorialPlanet
@PictorialPlanet 7 ай бұрын
🙏
@wullieg7269
@wullieg7269 2 ай бұрын
ive lost so much sweat without this simple method
@mattdavies5023
@mattdavies5023 2 жыл бұрын
You’re a legend mate. Great tip. Subbed.
@Zoomfreaky
@Zoomfreaky 2 ай бұрын
Thank you for this very helpful video with clear step by step instructions! I think I will dare to try it now...:). So thank you again! I have heard that AP reels are easier for loading 120 film. Have you ever tried them?
@PictorialPlanet
@PictorialPlanet 2 ай бұрын
I have and they are a tad easier.
@Zoomfreaky
@Zoomfreaky 2 ай бұрын
@@PictorialPlanet Thanks I will try them first then..:)
@letmebereal
@letmebereal 11 ай бұрын
Great tips, do you ever load 2 rolls at the same time if so how do you know when first roll is fully loaded. Thanks.
@PictorialPlanet
@PictorialPlanet 11 ай бұрын
I don't.
@pggrootde6726
@pggrootde6726 Жыл бұрын
Excellent video. Thanks for this! 😊
@platformjprmts
@platformjprmts 11 ай бұрын
Thank you very much. Happy New Year.
@PictorialPlanet
@PictorialPlanet 11 ай бұрын
Happy new year to you too!
@Murgoh
@Murgoh 3 жыл бұрын
Great tips, I've so far used my AP tank (which is really easy to use as the spiral has guide tabs for the film, kind of like your tip of using a negative as a guide but these are molded into the spiral) as I've been using reusable developer (Cinestill Df96) so the amount I need to fill the tank does not really matter. But now I'm moving to Pyrocat HD which is a one shot developer so the less I can use the cheaper it gets. I have a small Russian 120 only tank which only needs something like 300 ml of chemistry, half the amount I need for the AP one, but I have not been able to get film on the spiral because no matter what I do the end of the film comes out of the groove after I get some of it In. I think this is partly because I use Fomapan film which is slightly thinner than for example Ilford and partly because of the sloppy tolerances and build quality of the Russian tank. So next time I'll definitely try the tape trick, maybe it will make the end of the film stiff enough to stay In the groove all the way. So thanks for the tip.
@PictorialPlanet
@PictorialPlanet 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comment! Yes, the tape should help stiffen the end of the thinner film. Good luck and let us know how you get on.
@Murgoh
@Murgoh 3 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately even the tape trick didn't work with this reel, it's simply too roughly made. No matter what I did I was not able to get more than maybe half of the film (still a lot more than without the tape) on the reel before it got stuck and wouldn't go further. Fortunately I anticipated that and had my trusty AP tank also in the changing bag so I loaded the film into that instead. The reel might work for a stiffer film but for Fomapan it's a no go.
@PictorialPlanet
@PictorialPlanet 3 жыл бұрын
Dang that film's so thin!
@Murgoh
@Murgoh 3 жыл бұрын
@@PictorialPlanet Yes it is. and needs to be exposed at 100 or 150 to get decent density so the ISO is off too. I think I'll stick to Ilford in 35mm and 120 after I get through my current stock of Fomapan, much less hassle and not that much more expensive. Fortunately the Foma 4x5 seems to be okay once I got the exposure figured out, at less than half the price of HP5 I think I'll keep using it at least for the bulk of my 4x5 shooting.
@masanthar
@masanthar 4 ай бұрын
Always good advice 👍
@andyvan5692
@andyvan5692 3 жыл бұрын
great tip, one other is to cut some offcuts of developing paper, and use it, rather like the tongue tool to de-spool the 35 mm film (to get the leader out); just use the tape that you folded on the film, stick it to the "tongue" of the paper, and pull on it, like the demo, and make sure the tape is removed afterwards. this is simmilar in a way to using a "starting chord" on a mower, or outboard engine for the dinghy, but to pull the film through.
@dennyoconnor8680
@dennyoconnor8680 11 ай бұрын
Old timey darkroom guy here. Strated loading 120 reels (620 actually) in the 1950's. On a 3 month 5000 mile trip and no room to bring my 4 reel SS tanks and reels for 120. I just bought the Patterson tank while traveling so I can develop rolls so I can be sure I don't have an exposure failure. In the dark my fingers don't have to think about the degree of cupping and the amount of tension on the film as my other hand rotates the reel. It just happens - sorta like a knee jerk when the Doc taps your knee. I am not convinced at this moment the Paterson reel is the answer but I will be souping the first rolls tomorrow. We shall see.
@PictorialPlanet
@PictorialPlanet 11 ай бұрын
How did the development go using Paterson reels?
@dennyoconnor8680
@dennyoconnor8680 11 ай бұрын
Development went fine. This was a total experiment, not just the Patterson reel. The film expired in 2006 (Tri-X 320) The developer is one I have never used (Diafine) and does not need temperature control or careful timing. The film was curled so tight after 18 years it was wrestling with an octopus to get it on the reel. I took shots at box speed, pushed 1 stop and pushed 2 stops. For the most part the 1 stop push negatives look the best, but all three are printable, but the box speed are dense and will need a bit of expertise to coax a good print.. I have to say the Patterson 120 reel seems far more difficult to load than the typical stainless reel. I have a fresh Tri-X 400 in the camera now (C330 TLR) and we shall see how well it loads.
@hukumongdu
@hukumongdu Жыл бұрын
what an excellent video, thank you sir
@PictorialPlanet
@PictorialPlanet Жыл бұрын
Cheers 🍻
@jeandaubas3252
@jeandaubas3252 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this excellent tip! Cheers from France, jeqn
@PictorialPlanet
@PictorialPlanet 2 жыл бұрын
Hello France!
@OhFishyFish
@OhFishyFish Жыл бұрын
Excellent tutorial, and just to confirm - is it OK to touch the undeveloped film? Won't it leave finger prints or smudges?
@PictorialPlanet
@PictorialPlanet Жыл бұрын
Wash your hands with dish wash soap. It takes the oil from your skin and means you won't leave residue. Never had a problem.
@OhFishyFish
@OhFishyFish Жыл бұрын
@@PictorialPlanet Thanks, I've been sending my films to be developed for years, time to do it myself!
@randallstewart175
@randallstewart175 3 жыл бұрын
Even if you are invested in Paterson, the easiest way to deal with problems loading a Paterson reel is to buy a better quality reel (and tank). Which one? Practically any one you can find. The AP looks much the same. but appears to be much better made. It is also sold in the US by B&H and Freestyle, relabeled as their store brand equipment. Do you think the big stores know something there?
@PictorialPlanet
@PictorialPlanet 3 жыл бұрын
Good point, Randall!
@steveb7477
@steveb7477 Жыл бұрын
Easiest way is to replace the reels with Omega Universal Adjustable Multi-format Reel (35/220) which I ordered from BHPhoto. They fit perfectly and have a lip to guide 35mm and 120 film onto the reels, Works perfectly and SO much less frustration. I have 4 of them.
@PictorialPlanet
@PictorialPlanet Жыл бұрын
Good tip!
@abohosamabohosam4178
@abohosamabohosam4178 Жыл бұрын
In fact, I had an experience with a 35mm film, after trying to insert the film into the screw of the Patterson tank, under a lot of blankets, sweat and anxiety on a summer day, because I do not have a black bag, but I succeeded in the end and was able to get the film stuck to the screw threads, and I also succeeded From repeating the ball with four films, but I did not try with the 120 mm film. The question here is whether there are holes in the film until it is attached to the teeth, or is that not a condition? I am waiting for an answer from the experts, thank you.
@PictorialPlanet
@PictorialPlanet Жыл бұрын
Well done!
@tealbluewhite
@tealbluewhite 5 ай бұрын
Woooooooow 🤯 great tip thanks!
@jackyleecs
@jackyleecs 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much for sharing! I am just able to self develop my first roll of medium format triX. I had been developing 35mm all along. The tip on feeling the direction of the film tip when loading the reel into the tank is useful. But if I alternate turning the stick both directions when I agitate, I suppose the film tip direction would not be that much an issue?
@PictorialPlanet
@PictorialPlanet 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your comment, Jacky. By twisting toward the open end I find I get better movement of developer across the film. The downside of going the "wrong" way is there's little movement of developer and therefore less than optimal agitation. The art of black and white developing is in optimising every stage of the process to make the highest quality negatives for our later printing or scanning.
@klofisch
@klofisch 3 жыл бұрын
Good tip for beginners,.....and for film which like to hard to handle
@PictorialPlanet
@PictorialPlanet 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you Peter!
@jakobstyrupbrodersen926
@jakobstyrupbrodersen926 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot John for this excellent tip, can't wait to try it out! :-) Yesterday I removed the small annoying metal balls from all of my plastic film reels as you advised in another of your wonderful videos: It's so much easier to load the film now! Thanks! :-)
@PictorialPlanet
@PictorialPlanet 2 жыл бұрын
You are welcome Jakob. I'm very pleased you're finding it easier to load the reels and thank you for taking the time to leave a comment!
@900bdk
@900bdk 2 жыл бұрын
Hello - interesting video !! Thanks - what is the music at the very end ? It are bagpipes but who is performing? Now back to my Hasselblad 500 …!!
@PictorialPlanet
@PictorialPlanet 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks! The music is from the free Final Cut Pro sound library.
@900bdk
@900bdk 2 жыл бұрын
@@PictorialPlanet I meant who / which band is performing and what is the name of the song so I can identify the music I wish to download ('legally') thanks, Bart
@PictorialPlanet
@PictorialPlanet 2 жыл бұрын
I understand but Final Cut Pro doesn’t tell you who wrote or played the song, it’s just a “jingle”. All I know is it’s called Shetland. Sorry Bart.
@900bdk
@900bdk 2 жыл бұрын
@@PictorialPlanet Ok - thanks !! wished I lived in Scotland ... !!!
@PictorialPlanet
@PictorialPlanet 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, living here is amazing! I'm very lucky 🍀
@framesngrains2933
@framesngrains2933 9 ай бұрын
I couldn’t get the film to load cause of that tape you mentioned to keep on and so I had to cut it off. The second roll I did had a bit more tape on it cause of course it wasn’t a straight cut in the dark. I believe the adhesive chemicals turned my developing fluid bright green! You failed to mention that unless it didn’t happen to you. So now I’m wondering if the 500ml used to develop the roll is now useless or what. Any info? Thanks!
@PictorialPlanet
@PictorialPlanet 9 ай бұрын
Is this your first time developing 120 film?
@framesngrains2933
@framesngrains2933 9 ай бұрын
@@PictorialPlanet I googled my situation and apparently it’s normal. Well, it was my third roll of 120 developed but ninth overall
@PictorialPlanet
@PictorialPlanet 9 ай бұрын
@framesngrains2933 your googling is correct. The colour doesn't come from the glue but the film because 120 film often has an anti-halation layer and the chemical in that layer comes out. The glue does no harm and doesn't affect development or the film at all - well, it hasn't in the last 50 years I've even doing it.
@framesngrains2933
@framesngrains2933 9 ай бұрын
@@PictorialPlanet now I’m at ease 🤣 thanks for the responses!
@silekiernanphotography
@silekiernanphotography 2 жыл бұрын
Great tip! Thank you!
@PictorialPlanet
@PictorialPlanet 2 жыл бұрын
Cheers Sile!
@flipflopsleica
@flipflopsleica 3 жыл бұрын
Great tip. Why are twizzler sticks too short?
@PictorialPlanet
@PictorialPlanet 3 жыл бұрын
Ha! Good point. We need a video on lengthening a twizzler stick ;)
@michaellong9526
@michaellong9526 Жыл бұрын
I stick my little finger into the roll as I’m twisting the spool and spooling it in it,makes it easier
@PictorialPlanet
@PictorialPlanet Жыл бұрын
You know, I think I do that sometimes too!
@Karwan89PL
@Karwan89PL 9 ай бұрын
Great tutorial!
@PictorialPlanet
@PictorialPlanet 9 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@memohaddad
@memohaddad Жыл бұрын
Does leaving the tape on the film as you displayed, not cause any reactions or issues during developing with the chemicals? Thanks
@PictorialPlanet
@PictorialPlanet Жыл бұрын
Hi Monte, none at all.
@jmm117kgb
@jmm117kgb 2 жыл бұрын
Great loading tips. Although I am worried you leave the tape on the film when developping. It messes up the chemistry and I am sure you could make your chemistry last longer by removing the tape
@PictorialPlanet
@PictorialPlanet 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Jean-Michel! Thanks for your comment. Not in 50 years of darkroom work has the tape effected my chemistry. Don't worry about it at all.
@stephendeakin2714
@stephendeakin2714 2 жыл бұрын
I checked with Ilford a couple of years ago and they are happy with leaving the tape on.
@PictorialPlanet
@PictorialPlanet 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for that insight, Stephen!
@SD_Alias
@SD_Alias 2 жыл бұрын
It is a good idea with the short strip as a template. Did you remove the little metal balls or how do you get the film pulled back?
@PictorialPlanet
@PictorialPlanet 2 жыл бұрын
www.pictorialplanet.com/beginner_photography/beginner_photography/easy_reel_loading.html
@SD_Alias
@SD_Alias 2 жыл бұрын
@@PictorialPlanet Thank you! with 35mm film i always found these little balls quite helpfull. But if stuck and with 120er film they annoy sometimes. I will test it with one castrated reel with no balls.
@mhc2b
@mhc2b 10 ай бұрын
Great tips!! Thanks.
@PictorialPlanet
@PictorialPlanet 10 ай бұрын
Glad it was useful!
@adamovitale2366
@adamovitale2366 8 ай бұрын
Great video
@WGmini
@WGmini Жыл бұрын
This is brilliant I love you thank you.
@joeperez6451
@joeperez6451 7 ай бұрын
Thank you so much for your the video! ✌️
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