The Eboni K. Williams discussion is disingenuous at best

[@smithkaren1387]

Yes, its about punishing "uppity" Black women. But they tell Black women to "choose better"

[@AKA-lonewolf]

They can't choose better because the good men are avoiding them like the plague

[@MsLolaTaylor]

​@@AKA-lonewolfyall are not "good men"

[@AKA-lonewolf]

@@MsLolaTaylor 😂😂😂😂 your answer is very telling, you still didn't show me how I'm wrong 🤔🤔🤔. I understand feelings get in the way of logic but no matter how you feel you cannot run away from the consequences of your choices

[@AbronHawkins]

@@MsLolaTaylorno we’re great men who are being ignored by BW in favor of Pookie

[@ThemisThoth]

These people tried it. I am with you here Kim!!!

[@knuclestheechidna5406]

Yes! Let's hate men while at the same time support patriarchy.

[@nay6544]

Everyone: Ok as a woman you can have standards, but whatever you’re asking a man to do for you, you need to be able to do for yourself. Eboni: Requires a man to be able to do for her what she can do for herself. Everyone: HOW DARE SHE!?! EAT THE RICH! OFF WITH HER HEAD!

[@wokefromhome7389]

She Doesn't require a man to do for her. She is worth 4 million dollars. She is a lawyer. Why should she want to get with a guy outside of her social economic status when most women at this income bracket would not? What could a bus driver or any working class man really do for her that she could not do for herself. Unless he is going to birth their future kids he really would not have anything to offer her.

[@nay6544]

@@wokefromhome7389I agree. I was just highlighting the moving of the goal post and hypocrisy.

[@13579hee]

​@@wokefromhome7389 Reading celebrity net worths on the internet means nothing. This is the same woman who once said she refused to keep a legal license in the state where she didn't live because it was too expensive, I can tell you if she were truly doing exceptionally well financially she wouldn't care about that expense. Chances are she's not doing that well at all... But she has resources in the opportunity to make money. And that's why she doesn't want to date a blue collar man. That in and of itself is fine... The problem is the very disingenuous way that she presented her elitist dating preferences from a performatively probe black standpoint. Just say you don't want to date a blue collar man and let that be what it is

[@carrington2949]

​@@wokefromhome7389 That's the op's point.

[@carrington2949]

​​@@13579hee I have several lawyers in my family. Two of them, much like most who graduate from law school, don't even practice law anymore. They found better jobs

[@user-tn6fg2du6v]

Nah they think she’s pretty enough , they just don’t want her to think that

[@logicandwisdom]

They want to live in the delusional that they all have access to her.

[@professorxslave1500]

It's not that at all. She's average in terms of a mens ranking. She's only hot shit to the independent BW tribe; the rest of us see her for who she is

[@dkt4377]

If she is the catch that she says she is, the type of men that she wants would have put a ring on it already. Clearly, she can't compete for that caliber of man.

[@MrTwonetwone]

Naw you think she’s pretty enough. You should date her

[@AlluringBelle1]

I think another element here is that, Eboni is a light skin “preferred aesthetics” of a black woman, who essentially rejected them. It just added salt to their wound that a preference denied them.

[@candygirl20048]

Agreed

[@NeasTube]

That's it

[@BriApple_TheBIG1]

Y’all really believe this preference thing huh

[@LeafInTheWind88]

Facts

[@samyljones3871]

YUP

[@carrington2949]

I am still trying to figure out why was the question asked. Would they have asked this of a successful, single white woman?

[@DeborahWalkerXOXO]

This right here. Behaving like wealthy, educated BM don't exist.

[@SuburbanKween]

Iyanla raised that question because she understands that most people don't think very critically or objectively. Update: So that it's clear, I completely disagree with Iyanla. Iyanla's question was basically red meat for people using scarcity tactics to humble upwardly mobile BW. The conversation between Eboni and Iyanla could've been more fruitful had Iyanla asked what Eboni wants in a man.

[@seanymac242]

@@SuburbanKween You are right but they don't even know what you're talking about. They do not understand your works they only understand paychecks money and over a $100000. Goodnight keep trying though

[@seanymac242]

@@SuburbanKween I see that you have your head on your shoulder squarely and if you care about The Black Men That you. Know you should suggest that the single ones get on the airplane and get out of here as fast as they can

[@jisi8462]

@@seanymac242 Why? Do you really believe that if you change the country, you change human nature? There are cultural and economic reasons why women in other countries seem to behave differently. I say seem because I’ve heard plenty of stories about men who marry “mail Oder” brides only for them to behave differently once they get to the US. I’ve also heard about women in other countries giving the men in other countries just as many problems, they just don’t showcase it online. Please don’t think I’m discouraging anyone from seeking what they want where they want it, I’m just curious if they are being totally honest with themselves.

[@slimjen1000]

I agree. It didnt need to be this blown up and I see it as "how dare this black women demand more for herself?" Everyone has a right to live the life they want

[@youngone1985]

She's mad at average dudes for being average. That's why she went into the evils of being average and didn't keep it on her preferences. I get discouraged during election season when I hear this kind of rationalization.

[@williamstiggersws]

She does have a right to her preference, but attempting to belittle blue-collar working Black Men. Most of these modern women were raised by blue-collar father's.

[@hazelbasil6451]

​@@youngone1985 Black men on this very platform have done the same thing to black women and worse! The hypocracy is astounding!

[@youngone1985]

@hazelbasil6451 you're right. Women want leadership. Financially, lifestyle, in the bedroom, in protection, so on... many modern men are far from leaders in most areas.

[@tamarapowell8982]

@@williamstiggersws ummm when did she “belittle” them?

[@brooklynforever1990]

BM especially don’t want to be reminded that you may not qualify for the type of woman they want 🤔but have no issues reminding BW of their requirements all day. Move in silence sisters

[@buffalo.blackk]

No man is upset that he doesn’t qualify for a woman based on her educational or career attainment. Men are disappointed when they cannot get the woman who is attractive and a feminine asset. And the men who do have educational attainment and career success do not mate select for an equal on those metrics. They may end up w/ that, but men prioritize youth, beauty, fertility, chastity, loyalty. Men are prefer a submissive woman to an educated, opinionated, masculine one. Which is why women like Eboni K. Williams end up dying alone.

[@dkt4377]

@@MitchMitch77-77 it's the blind leading the blind.

[@PrinceKoffe]

​@buffalo.blackk You literally can tell you know nothing about higher socioeconomic status.

[@PrinceKoffe]

​@@dkt4377Projection is all y'all do.

[@dkt4377]

@@PrinceKoffe Per the late great Kevin Samuels "You can want what you want, but you can only purchase what you can afford." Its OK for Eboni to want the type of guy that she does; however, she can only date/marry the highest caliber of man that she can attract... and she wants a top 10% of high earning man. Men who are in the top 10% of earners are not checking for a middle-aged woman who is well past her prime child bearing years. Those guys can get a woman who is nearly 20yrs younger and more attractive than she is.

[@moesadiq6109]

People have issues women's desires. Nothing freaks society out more than a woman who says "I want".

[@Craig-pm2kc]

"I want" is all that comes out of their mouths.

[@lezlieanne21]

Men: Have standards! Pick better! Woman: okay Men: How dare you!!!

[@daradee3593]

And don't dare say that you are happy being alone until what you want shows up.

[@ArethaFrankly]

@@daradee3593 Chile they HATE this lol! They get tight that this is not something they can use to shame folks into settling for a partner they do not want. Then it's, "Yeah you say that now we'll see how you feel when you're 40 with 6 cats." As if it's hard to believe a person would be happier to be without romantic partnership than to be partnered with someone they're not happy to be with 💀

[@jeffreysalley]

so true!

[@lynthamanford4147]

Nonsense!

[@dkt4377]

@@ArethaFrankly when you are post age 45, and your friends are going to graduation ceremonies of their children... those cats become a poor substitute for the Familia affection you could've had

[@zerotolerance2026]

Fake outage! Nothing to see here. Shout out to Eboni and all BW who remain dust free.👏🏾

[@wilsonholts9991]

Buy a dog. Die alone.

[@brandonburns5365]

She bought to be a single mother. Now thats dusty 😂

[@patrickpowell601]

To the dust she shall return. Alone😂😂

[@liteflightify]

@@brandonburns5365 Nah. She’s rich enough and pretty enough and educated enough to always have options. Unlike you.

[@SeawardMari]

​​@@liteflightifyoptions she doesn't want 😅😂

[@millsykooksy4863]

She’s a multi millionaire. I don’t know why anybody would expect her to date a bus driver….it doesn’t make any sense. Life is not the movies.

[@dkt4377]

High value men are not checking for a middle-aged woman who is well past her prime child bearing years.... she mismanaged her time.

[@irisfellous3804]

Turns out she was raised by a single mother who was... a bus driver

[@irisfellous3804]

​@@dkt4377High value and low value people dont exist. Spit out that red pill before it rots your brain. It's poison

[@BellesView]

I can’t believe it’s a conversation.

[@Eyesis_1]

THIS! 🤷🏾‍♀️🤦🏾‍♀️💅🏾

[@youngone1985]

It's not. It's an intervention.

[@drtash21]

I agree. I was embarrassed at the level of butthurt in some men over this. As a man I didn't understand the big deal. She don't date average men cool that's her right. She wasn't even disrespectful about it.

[@logicandwisdom]

​@@youngone1985 Why not intervene with the BM online given crredence to yt supremacy, why not intervene when KS was insulting BW, why not intervene at a local program to help black boys? Why is it obly a crisis when a BW, a successful and beautiful one at that, says something you dont like

[@bradthomas7431]

​@@drtash21But shes below average tho. Shes 40 and 10-15 yrs past her prime

[@brittneyk0158]

Ebony said what she said! 10/10! She has the right to like who or what she likes! Period!

[@caramelAquarius]

Exactly that's her preference

[@bobsecret199]

(Sigh) 🙄 And *WHO* and *WHAT* she “likes” …have a natural RIGHT to like “WHO” and what -they- WE “like” …and apparently it ain’t *HER!* ☺️😁😅😂🤣

[@brittneyk0158]

@@bobsecret199 …..And THAT’S ok! 🤷‍♀️

[@dkt4377]

Her preference has her middle-aged and unmarried. It's okay to want what you want but the type of guy she wants is not checking for a middle-aged woman who is well past her prime child bearing years.

[@brittneyk0158]

@@dkt4377 should know that she’s probably not interested in “them” either! To each “their” own! 🤷‍♀️

[@Itsallaboutlove52]

People have an issue because it’s a BW who said the truth.

[@imitatorofJesusChrist]

People have an issue because of the mentality of the person that said it. Not their skin appearance. If a woman wants to have a satisfactory relationship with a man of respect then she ought to act like a woman of respect. This mentality bears no fruit of having a successful relationship long-term. A woman who cares about money doesn’t understand love AT ALL.

[@cortezbarrett5826]

but the men she want dont check for her lol

[@youngone1985]

Wisdom differs from understanding by that it gets outcomes regardless of the understanding. Fools speak the truth every day, but Eboni is still not married, still has an engagement called off, and still has a history of men reminding her she's not in a courtroom while on dates. Her words.

[@Scam-ish]

@@youngone1985yeah it’s sad that’s she obviously trying to convince other BW to think like her all the while the outcomes of her preferences has her in a position most women would not want to be

[@rm5282]

Ha. People generally get angry when people who want to be considered elite talk down about others. Have you noticed that she was on a show trying to get answers for her issue finding suitable men? There are plenty of suitable men out there. Those men just seem not to want her. Why doesn't Eboni have an issue with the men of financial means not wanting her? When you can't get what you want, you are only viable for what you can get. Either that or remain single by the choice of those not selecting you.

[@TheBarloboat]

As long as its not a black woman...people are ok with anyone else's standards. Just cant be a blk woman having high expectations. How dare we not want to settle?! Why arent they celebrating Iyanla?! She would date the bus driver. Its because Eboni is what the men desire...and most cant have her. Iyanla is not their preference....

[@RJ-nl8do]

We got a professional victim over here. Nobody else has to deal with boss b*t hes. Everyone else's women are women. They tricked you into being the only group of women that think they're too good for their men.

[@kennyking5606]

No one is marrying yall

[@blackdaria9075]

Listen!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You hit that nail right in the head! I had this conversation with my sister. The issue will always remain that she is a black woman expressing her wants and needs. She is accomplished lawyer, educated, independent sister and she is saying this. The issue is she dates white men, they have an issue with that but are not saying it. She is older, they don’t want her to be picky. And she is brown skin, not light enough to have these standards how dare she have boundaries. Lord! Kim go on these panels and tell them off! Go OFF sis!

[@dkt4377]

When I was 16, I wanted Tyra Banks to be my girlfriend... its okay to want what you want, but you can only date the highest caliber of man that you can attract. The type of guy she wants is in the top 10% of high earning men. Frankly, those guys are not checking for a woman approaching 40 that is well past her prime child bearing years.

[@invisiblerevolution]

People actin like she works at WAL-MART..... And said, wouldn't date a bus driver. Then that would be a different story!

[@ButtacupTF]

IKR

[@Luver4lyfe]

You’re right! that’s why this uproar is hella disingenuous. When Iyanla asked her would you date a bus driver, no matter how she delivered that “no”, folks would still want to fight her. Anytime a BW states her preference she is crucified, regardless of her socio-economic status.

[@jaydog7299]

@@Luver4lyfe crazy how yall dnt look at how she projecting on male bus drivers when her mom didnt love here the way she needed due to her dad missislng and mom was a bus driver. if u shallow and not deep enough to understand just say that. but she was projecting

[@Seeingisntbelieving]

@@jaydog7299what are you talking about? Stick to the subject and stop gaslighting.

[@TwoPrettyRedDimes]

Right 😂evening if we do have a decent job we still don't have to date working class bus drivers or dusties THEY'RE EGOS ARE DUMB (especially if we're child free) I will never date another 1 IDC REGUARDLESS LOL I LEARNED MY LESSON THEY THINK THEY ALL THAT THE ONES THAT DRIVE BUSES ,MOST OF THOSE MALES HAVE KIDS EVERYWHERE I WILL PASS

[@SureYoureRight]

👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽 Completely agree. This wouldn’t even be a discussion if a non black woman had said this.

[@kmariamv]

You’re talking about height we’re talking about income + social class. Those two don’t compare

[@youngone1985]

@kmariamv you're right. I deleted it because it's not very relevant. The problem is that in all other groups, low value men are invisible. In black America, they are targets because black women, according to dating sites and data science, are the least desired women just as asian men are the least desired. This active marginalizing of sexually low quality black men is common. The guys making Cs and Ds got more of the chicks in high school. The guys making As and Bs accepted their lot with a different kind of woman early on. If there are exceptions, they're taken. I'm not saying that's fair, but why "target" average guys as if they owed her something by doubling down on it? The asian community strives for excellence, and the men still deal with the same lack of choice. At least black women can make adjustments. Asian men can't change their height. BUT I understand the anger she feels. The desirable men hold all the cards. Being asked to accept less after putting in so much with no guarantee and a familiar track record of failure. All i can say is that black women should keep in mind sexuality is a marketplace where young girls get high balance credit cards and boys get empty bank accounts. Those credit card limits build up from 15 to 23 and get reduced throughout her thirties until well... A man wants respect, admiration, and reverence, so success, leadership, and so on are his currencies. A woman wants attention, validation, and exhalted vanity, she her currency is beauty, youth, feminity, and so on. The currency in her account can't pay off her credit card unless the guy she desires exchanges it for her. I don't have answers.

[@dkt4377]

Not true. Women who are high earning career driven of other races also complain about their dating circumstances too.

[@professorxslave1500]

Because they value they're men unlike many of you 😂 Eboni couldn't even get her dream guy to quarantine with her. The black community doesn't understand that as a people, we are treated as 3rd class. You're money doesn't give ability to run away from yourself

[@wilsonholts9991]

It's been a discussion for decades from non-black women. Where you been?

[@nuggetsnicole4851]

Black men just mad bc a preference told them they're not her preference 😂

[@kweenz600]

@@BrickByBrick24 bc Black men projected themselves onto her statement. If you watch the original clip, she didn’t mention race AT ALL. She actually said that she dates all types of men. DJ Envy and Charlagmane are the ones who said she was talking about Black men.

[@Wiseguy87]

@@kweenz600 but when you talk about classism you can draw the racial line

[@nuggetsnicole4851]

@@BrickByBrick24 i said what i said🤷🏾‍♀️

[@anthonyblake4427]

A 40 year old woman with average looks ain’t our preference neither; maybe that’s why she can’t get a husband…of ANY race🤷🏿‍♂️🤷🏿‍♂️🤷🏿‍♂️

[@ghost99100]

in my complete honest opnion. she is slightly higher than average looking. who is she a preference towards?

[@fatherbewithme]

Crazy cause most of the same dudes craping on Ebony was championing & cheering on K Samuel's after he said the same thing to a dark skinned black woman but I digress!

[@hr9336]

KS never shtted on DSBW. Y’all just making sht up now. Fkn shameful.

[@ArethaFrankly]

Correct. And it’s so interesting to me because most of the things Samuels talked about were relatively immutable. For the most part, people cannot change their faces or the structure of their bodies without costly and risky surgeries. Even if “big Shirley” workouts, if she’s darskinned, doesn’t have the right shape, isn’t the right height, doesn’t have the right hair etc., she’s still “average at best.” Eboni is talking about something these folks can change. If they’re Samuels fans then they’re not the type to make “excuses” about how white supremacist capitalism makes upward mobility virtually impossible. No, the “cia” can simply get more credentials, read books other than things like “Rich Dad, Poor Dad,” and broaden their horizons if they want to exit mediocrity! Lol they’ve been saying that it was “40 years” of rhetoric like Eboni’s that caused them to flock to Samuels because he was “finally” humbling Black women. It appears as though they don’t like the reminder that their deceased and decaying leader didn’t actually change their station by pointing out alleged facts about Black women. Poor stinks were riding the high of hatred for us and forgot that they’re right there in the gutter with us “average at best” women.

[@fatherbewithme]

@@ArethaFrankly Well stated as Chrissie says it's even more hurtful to these hypocritical dudes because Ebony is above average & she fits their black female preference criteria as far as physicality goes but apparently most of the ones who got in their feelings & went off on sus believe that they don't/can't meet her criteria so it bruised their egos & k!lls their fantasy. It's always the most disrespectful dudes who also tend to be thee most emotional/hypocritical when they feel they're being critiqued or when they feel their preference is leaving them out as far as being an option goes.

[@p.d.6888]

Agree!!! There is always an underbelly of “Black women should take any man, because men deserve an amazing woman independent of his pedigree “ sorry yall all men are NOT kings or prizes and sometimes your career doesn’t qualify you for certain women🤷🏽‍♀️

[@MsLolaTaylor]

💯💯💯

[@vanessarickford6260]

Don't give your gold to Kangz

[@brielleknoxsragerecoveryclinic]

Mic drop

[@PrettyPrincess9609]

I learned the HARD WAY to not date based off of “ potential “. My ex ( then boyfriend ) lost his job and I loaned him money to pay his rent. He turned around and disrespected me by calling me out my name, he cheated on me with his “ best friend “, and he never paid me back the money he owed. NEVER SETTLE LADIES !

[@Scam-ish]

Hold on though I’m assuming you mean potential for earning a living but what does that speak to the quality of his character. I’m sure even if he made money , paid you back he would still have the propensity to cheat on you and be an aint shit brotha stop this narrative it’s not healthy and completely bias

[@brandi1294]

@@Scam-ish what narrative does she need to stop? She simply shared a factual event from her past. There were no hypotheticals

[@Scam-ish]

@@brandi1294 the narrative that building with someone never works . There are ppl with and without integrity . Maybe it’s a better policy to not loan boyfriends and girlfriends money . Seems like she trusted a person before truly seeing what he was like . My wife trusted me to loan me money when were just dating and I told her that’s not a good idea many people will take the money and treat you wrong but doesn’t mean you cant see potential in someone and see that through . Also the ‘never settle ‘ mantra ladies statistically are interested in the same few guys hence all the cheating and lack of loyalty but when y’all double down on this “never settle “ talk what y’all tend to do raise your expectations into an even higher sought after and unavailable man. Y’all gotta stop thinking you settled cuz someone did you wrong you just ran into a bad person . It happens to all of us.

[@brandi1294]

@@Scam-ish I see exactly what you’re saying but, money with come up at some point in time in a relationship and that’s just another opportunity to establish and reinforce trust. When a woman says never settle, I take that as lower the standards in terms of self respect, character, long term goals.. has nothing to do with the status of the man or dating up or benefitting forms a man’s pockets.

[@Scam-ish]

@@brandi1294 I wish the areas in which you’re mentioning were highlighted more when women speak on never settling, it seems as if there’s a high emphasis on the finance aspect of settling these days but what you said does make sense

[@dilsiaedwards595]

Thank you. 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽 How dare a BW to speak her feelings. We can accept it from anyone else BM included. But a BW, no way she is supposed to take what she gets, be happy, quiet and Loyal to BM. Something that a lot, not all of course of BM are NOT to BW.

[@Nmendenh-rl6ej]

I actually think Eboni K Williams is a preference.

[@jaydog7299]

is that why the white man gave her back to the blk community😂. yall women will follow anything. just because he makes alot of money wont stop him frm being a bad person

[@ITech2005]

Yeah, a "preference" that none of the men on her level wants. 😂

[@thatgirlkells5505]

​@@ITech2005 How would you even know. Clown 🤡!!!!!

[@henen747]

To who? Clearly she’s not. 40yo, dusty looking, and runs off the mouth like a child.

[@MT-hk9cp]

@@ITech2005 And that is the problem she refuses to address. She fails to mention that the Jweish fiancess dumped her because allegedly she didn't want to deal with his kids. I'm a woman and she used to be so cool but now she is annoying.

[@aquilachefba-ados]

I'm rock'n with Harriet on this one... and im gonna throw in cliques and Bullying... folk really just want to be on the inside!

[@princellasmith7562]

This is 500% accurate, and yes, you are right that people don't care about classism. We live in an extremely materialistic society. This was about a black woman having the nerve to speak up about having standards. Nothing else.

[@dkt4377]

Her standard is unrealistic.

[@vrichards4363]

Exactly kim. They don't have an issue unless it affects them. The hypocrisy...

[@db6881]

They have a problem because she IS pretty, she's a preference and her standard alienates the majority of black men.

[@joburch7583]

My sentiments exactly!

[@l.j.r.8448]

Pretty but can’t get a man?

[@stormx2591]

Is it me, but I never heard the words "black men" during her conversation? How is the after party conversation centered on a particular group of men?

[@mrslim500]

I'm a blue collar black man and it is what is. I rather date in my class, unless I'm chosen. I got to be appreciated not degraded. Most women that think they are cute are looking to date up financially. That's Kool just let them do them

[@wisdomteethsoup]

I absolutely have a problem with classism, but the reactions to her are just ridiculous, because I feel like when talking about partnership, it’s more about equity and equality in the relationship than class at that point in the discussion

[@anikasmith8361]

I agree with this summation 100%! I don't give an ish either. They need to get their passports and leave us uppity "Bs" to happily purchase our expensive pets and travel.

[@l.j.r.8448]

Ok.

[@lynnellscott9079]

Eboni is the common denominator in her failed relationships. She doesn’t run in blue collar circles she is with the well-to-do so what is her problem? Not her standards. It’s her.

[@nightwishisthegreatestband6355]

Do you know what went on in her relationships or are you just sprouting nonsense? No wealthy woman should date down. The men's egos can't handle that.

[@lynnellscott9079]

@@nightwishisthegreatestband6355 She's pretty, accomplished, in the right circles, 40, single, and alone. Wherever she goes there she is.

[@audacity2hope645]

@@lynnellscott9079 That’s where she is now. Accomplished women tend to marry later because of their focus on career goals. She may choose at some point to never marry. I don’t think people should live their life or forego what they want to get any man. Just because a man has means doesn’t mean he automatically qualifies.

[@seanymac242]

Women like $ for their time most are for sale. Eboni told her price tag out loud.😮

[@kimleemoon]

Only broke men think this way

[@mizzmolly7649]

Well, they're going to have to get used to it, because I've been blk and "uppity" all my life.

[@TravisJones-ch8cu]

Who is you? They told the men to stop buying podcasts equipment and be plumbers, it's time to tell the women to stop buying it too and learn to sew or crochet!!😂😂😂😂

[@Tee-Star]

They hate Ciara...now they hate Ebony. 😂

[@timothyjackson1779]

Nope, it's about championing capitalistic value over spiritual values. Dr IV said if he has these moral values and characteristics tied to these actions, then what he does for a living is not as important as the way he will feed her soul. The point is we are getting what we are getting because we are focusing on the wrong things. It just leads to us all being more and more disposable.

[@westtexas6244]

Black women and black men need to go their separate ways.

[@deborahfrederick916]

Kim, the men in these comments are sooo Butt hurt I had to stop reading their comments. Not a Single One of them addressed a single issue you brought up. All they did was pass their judge mental attitudes onto Eboni.

[@blackurustrikes2328]

It was the statements Eboni made after the Iyanla interview that have fired people up. Had she simply focused on her own PERSONAL preferences, you wouldn't have this broader class debate. But, to try to cover herself, SHE brought all off the classism, elitism into the discussion about why SHE can't get the man she wants.

[@BellaNoir3]

All FACTS

[@mikiyapeoples5386]

In the clip Eboni didn't say she wouldn't dste a bus driver, she said she would date a bus driver who owned the bus. By occupational standards this would be an owner operator, still blue collar and still a bus driver. She didn't put down an entire group of people, she specified which of those she would date. Sometimes when you're told what to hear, you hear what you are told.

[@beautonlabell8870]

She don’t want to take care of a man who will most likely want alimony if things don’t work out. Y’all know that. Ask Sherri she’s paying alimony or was paying. Please!!!!

[@Leigh-bq2jo]

This is the reason why Pearl was bestowed the title the “King/Queen of the Black Manusphere” b/c she has been telling men that women should have NO Boundaries and expectations when it comes to men.😅

[@catcoffee7958]

Not that dead fish😂

[@ArethaFrankly]

I love all of the “it’s not what she said but how she said it” comments. So you’re ok with elitism as long as it’s put to you nicely?! Lmfaoooo! Im pretty sure that’s exactly what the kids call “cap.”

[@Indiegirl007]

I feel like the most dangerous man at this point is a working class man.

[@jermainejr11]

SPEAK👏🏾 ON👏🏾 IT👏🏾

[@sunnymarie2060]

...PERIOD! that woman is in her tax bracket. Let her b in her tax bracket. I didnt hear her say anything Specifically about black men though not sure where the capes came from but let that lady live yall.

[@williamsummerville1295]

The conversation with Vanzant was involving relationship help and the barriers that women put up with their boundaries. Eboni asked for help yet her classism and internal racism was identified as a problem she got called out on. Look at the whole segment folks starting with Eboni’s need to want to stay relevant.

[@sirpream.clientele]

By Eboni K. Williams own admission, she was a terrible wife, and a selfish fiance. Her "uppity" status is a moot argument...

[@communitysolutionspro1520]

It almost never works when the woman makes more. Mary j Blige, Wendy Williams etc. Ebony is right it's a waste of time to try.

[@rainicewaller6210]

Not pretty enough? Let's not do that.

[@Wiseguy87]

99% of your race is working class of course we’re going to feel a way about those comments. She’s literally talking about her audience

[@rose4490]

... because everyone wants to feel like they are special.

[@KingJT80]

i dont care who she dates. just dont shit on other people to justify WHY you date WHO you date just say i prefer to date men that are of my social economic status. simple you dont have to punch down to middle class black people

[@iismyalias]

💯on target 🎯

[@AprilMac777]

Is this full video on Patreon? I need to become a subscriber but I’m unemployed.

[@cortezbarrett5826]

and I bet you want a provider lol

[@ajgraves8016]

​@@cortezbarrett5826 bet she would take gus the bus driver at this point lol

[@kmariamv]

@@ajgraves8016 being unemployed is temporary…Kim’s subscribers are more educated than most, she’ll be back on her feet in no time . Unemployment doesn’t mean change your expectations…it means rise to the occasion even if you have to learn a new skill

[@lcchill]

@@ajgraves8016 right and she would be smiling from ear to ear when he gives her free rides on the bus!!

[@ellebarron7112]

The worst part is ignoring that bus drivers have amazing pay and benefits😅

[@audacity2hope645]

I think Eboni was speaking to aspirations. There is nothing wrong with being a bus driver which some may see as an interim step as opposed to their forever job. Aspirations, life goals, world view, preparation to move up in the world all play a role in whether 2 people are compatible in addition to physical attraction, personality, etc.

[@tracyclark7560]

spot on my sister. You are insightful as usual. Tell 'em my sister.

[@beigenegress2979]

When was there a scarcity of blue collar women for Blue collar BM to date? Of ANY race if they prefer nonBlk women?

[@iCoily]

Big facts!

[@anonyme9822]

It's only the dusties who are angry

[@gohardorgohome]

If she was white she would not get backlash. Not a Kim Foster fan but on this one I agree.

[@jaydog7299]

nah if she wasnt engaged to a yt guy but speaking on blk men this wouldnt have happend

[@gohardorgohome]

@@jaydog7299 It would have happened either way. The argument from her was never color. Broke black men MADE that argument. They would have done so no matter what. The "black manosphere" acts like it's cool to be mediocre and them dudes get mad if you say it's not. That's what really happened homie. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.

[@jaydog7299]

@@gohardorgohome she's only is talking about blk men. all im saying is talk about white boy not us we havent done anthing to u. also she is projecting on blk men because her mom didnt love her proply due to her being a bus driver

[@jaydog7299]

@@gohardorgohome also of she wasnt talking about blk me why try to add the black women vs blk men in who's buying houses? i mean what ever dumb women listens will be railroaded like y would u by a house now with this F'd up economy🤣. that lady tryna get back good with FOX

[@anthonyblake4427]

A white woman is smart enough to not say this publicly and that’s the difference.

[@kmariamv]

They are on the outside Kim, they don’t want to admit it though

[@anthonyblake4427]

90% of Americans are on the outside, including yourself.

[@elledumble]

Kim sounds classist in her recent videos.... I've been a supporter for 10+ years.... And I've noticed that she has become more classist and xenophobic even though a lot of her fans are African sior diasporans in general

[@Singletary25]

Yup!! That's it.. They are literally upset that she has options

[@mawnee3000]

I want to see if classism comes up this Roc Nation brunch season. 🤔

[@TiffH82]

Actually, I do have a problem with classism and elitisms. The working class is always getting shit on, unless there’s a pandemic they need us to shoulder or a war they need us to fight. There is a problem with what she said, not initially, but when she tried to make it about the state of the black community, when we ALL know that’s not what she meant. She should’ve just stayed 10 toes down instead of trying to hide behind so called black elevation.

[@lexis.6075]

no, i don’t even stand 10 toes down for my own community, only myself. 10 toes down is dating a bus driver when you make 100k or more? lol 😂

[@wokefromhome7389]

There is a black community element to it because American blacks both men and women are in the lowest economic category in the country. People tried to humble her by pointing this very fact out about black women but let's not bring it up if it is about black men. 😅

[@TiffH82]

@Nashae Well they caught the stray so they had a right to voice their opinion just like she did.

[@TiffH82]

@@lexis.6075 I was referring to her staying 10 toes down with her original sentiment instead of trying to morph her stance into something it wasn’t originally.

[@jaydog7299]

@@lexis.6075 what does that have to do with love yall so lost😅. yall show other races of ppl blk yall r to b bought not loved

[@freelancerdjp]

So she has a preference, that’s cool. She doesn’t date blue collar men, not a concern for me either. Let her live her life & when she dies the world will still continue. Not sure why Envy & Charlemagne brought up BLK men as if BLK men are concerned w/ who she connects with. For the most part it seems she championing women who are far from her lvl to have similar insights. Let them live their lives & if that means divesting from BLK men so be it. The world is bigger than the preferences of bm & bw

[@VyCityMusic]

No problem . All the best to her . I will however, gingerly allude to that maybe the problem lie with Ebony if she’s asking Iyanla for advice regarding relationships ; but I’m just nitpicking 😊 love and light to everyone .

[@BeautifulEarthJa]

Really? That would tell me she's the one that's looking to develop good relationships rather than the partners...

[@juman9696]

@@BeautifulEarthJa she literally said she been with them all……. It’s definitely her 😂😂😂

[@BeautifulEarthJa]

@@juman9696 yea, you can conclude that with no info. Ok.

[@numbers5796]

You said it uppity black women, we have a disdain for them as they have a disdain for working class men. I think it goes both ways, especially when men don't want a woman like this. Men don't understand what's so hard to get about this.

[@broco6608]

I am Team Eboni K, all day! It's about choice, baby! If Iyanla can choose a bus driver or a garbage man, Eboni K can choose a man that owns the bus or garbage company. It's her choice!

[@alexandercrowell156]

If everyone is saying the same thing, you think it's time to maybe have some introspection? Nah, still not gonna do it. Bye

[@Neycebadass]

🎯🎯

[@DaffyducksTBR]

It definitely is about protecting working class black man . The fuck 😂

[@dkt4377]

I disagree. Eboni has a preference for the type of men that she no longer qualifies for. She thinks she should be dating a man that is in the 10% of earners. Those types of guys are not checking for a woman approaching 40. She came off as anti-blue collar men in her response, that's why she recieved the amount of flack.

[@truthteller816]

❤ Loved this interview ❣️ I liked the range pf topics they covered, the relaxed playful pace of the interview, and I liked that Eboni didnt hold back. She was confident in her posture, sober and introspective about her life choices. She's obviously a very beautiful 😍, intelligent, assertive, driven and conscious woman who's aware of her privilege and power. I'm not surprised some men are intimated or threatened by her. I pray that God will send her a man that compliments her 🙏🏾❣️

[@bernardtalbert6729]

If roles were reversed and Eboni was a black man complaining about the lack of good black women while being engaged to a white woman black women would have crucified him. BTW that white man refused to marry her also. She's a 40 year old black woman who wasted her prime years and waited too long to get serious about finding a husband and having a baby. Now instead of being accountable for her own bad life choices she wants to blame black men? The HVM she wants doesn't want her!! And just like she doesn't want to lower her standards and settle neither does he and he has a lot more options than her. Only black women believe that the average black man is beneath them? So like Kevin Samuels once said about women like her ... she can buy dog and die alone.

[@angelaadamsali3936]

Truth!

[@samestuffdifferentday5712]

She said the same guys that are angry probably made Cs and Ds in high school….. insulting and disrespectful…. The more she doubled down the nastier she got in tone and vitriol. She should of just said no I would not date a bus driver because I’m looking for an entrepreneur but nothing wrong with a bus driver for someone else. If she would of said it like that and left it there it would of went over better but she said if he owns it and then went into white supremacy and mediocrity like it’s sinful etc etc etc.

[@nightwishisthegreatestband6355]

She defended herself because people dragged her for the first statement. Where she said nothing wrong. And let's be really honest with ourselves. Who has the job of bus driver as a life goal?

[@samestuffdifferentday5712]

@@nightwishisthegreatestband6355 it’s how she said it . She said it with vitriol and disdain for black men. She mad at black men cause zaddy didn’t choose her and now she’s post wall.

[@ImReubenJones]

It’s about getting our black women marriageable again.

[@madisonatior4414]

And black men also should step up as men and make more money 👍

[@ogskullomania3119]

She’s just gonna end up alone that’s. It’s that simple

[@thatgirlkells5505]

If the alternative is being with a Dusty,I think she's OK with that!!!!

[@josephjohnson1057]

It’s not her freedom it’s about her poor choice resulting from it.

[@FireTrainer92]

This is actually disingenuous lol

[@CajonesandCannolis]

yes!!! 👏👏👏you always say what it is!!! 😂 the elites are living for the classism 😒

[@youngone1985]

Your boundary? Boundary? Eboni is mad at guys she doesn't want for not BEING more than average because she couldn't lock in a guy she respects. She doubled down on the evils of being average. That's an irrelevant response for such a sophisticated journalist if it were about her "boundaries." The sexual marketplace punished her aggression. She admitted that guys on dates reminded her that she's not in a courtroom. She "was" engaged, it didn't go anywhere. Moreover, being mad at poor options is not an uppity or an older woman's problem, but it's common among black women. When 80% of black children are fathered by 15% black men, that's an options problem irrespective of class. What you MISSED is that everyone kept it about classim to play nice, avoid further damaging a damaged sista, and show support for that %85 of blac men. It's responsible damage control in a broken community in a perpetual state of emergency.

[@aminaallen7557]

Spot on

[@jojodancer1743]

"Too old, not pretty enough, too aggressive". Yes. You are all of those.

[@terrellbeast7369]

I know 1 thing, she doesn't care about anybody here.

[@ninjainyaear5945]

Let ‘em know

[@hr9336]

I get it but EKW brought up how BM WEREN’T this and that and “not showing up in the leadership”. She brought this on herself by saying that most aren’t up to her standards. So the backlash she’s receiving is well deserved.

[@ellewoods9396]

What she stated were verifiable facts. Fact

[@hr9336]

@@ellewoods9396 Women like her are just NOT IN DEMAND, plain and simple. The only reason she’s talking that crap is because she CANNOT get the men she wants to take her serious. Men of wealth and status are NOT obligated to date her. Choice is a two way street.

[@zerotolerance2026]

@@hr9336 Okay if she’s not in demand…why have y’all been crying about this for almost 2 weeks. Move on already🙄

[@msnewsenior]

She never said black men once during that discussion with Iyana. Y’all really acting up

[@hr9336]

@@zerotolerance2026 Everyone is talking about it. It even made it to The View. Do you have anything to add or are you just here to shame?

[@dominicsanders9599]

She can say what she wants. I remember her saying "I've done 'em all. Trust me". I feel no disrespect by what she asked for. Doesn't seem like she has what she wants so it's her issue. Blue collar men understand the disrespect. No one cares about about that guy picking up trash...until he stops doing it. We know what would happen if we just.....stopped. We respect our community too much to do that.

[@SandraSews0108]

I think it has more to do with their preference not liking them

[@travelingjohn69]

it's about how she said it. if she said due to the tax bracket that she's in couldnt date a bus driver.....that would've been better than coming off as an eletist.

[@Kc_Barberlife]

She can want whatever but if she gotta complain then guys don’t want her 😂😂

[@amajors08]

Black Elitism can be problematic it’s often adjacent to white patriarchy

[@craigsims1189]

Ladies just wait for the rich man..

[@NicoleShanique]

Agreed!

[@West3nd]

In light of the two most recent viral Ebony K. Williams clips, maybe you should revisit the topic.. maybe issue a apology.. maybe rethink your criticisms?

[@zerotolerance2026]

Nope!