THE EMPEROR & THE LAST CHURCH | Warhammer 40k Lore

[@korstmahler]

Big E: Burns the last church of Terra and the last priest self immolates whilst a magic doomsday clock tolls Also Big E: "The Warp will not react to this significant event at all. No sir." Alfabusa's buddies: "It's free fan canon"

[@ageneralsenseofconfusionan1268]

*Insert Frieza "I'll ignore that" meme*

[@xaga8794]

Alfa did speak with the author before he made the podcast. So thing about that how much canon it is

[@wanderingursa8184]

Remember when Kurze had to choose whether or not to shank a kid due to a vision? This was Big E's version of that event.

[@refurbishedtechpriest9076]

Holy crap, that's a rather spot-on comparison. With all the infinite choices people can make that can alter the course of future-events by an equally-infinite degree, there's no way the Emperor could know with absolute certainty that the path he chose was the only way.

[@brigidtheirish]

@@refurbishedtechpriest9076 And yet, as typical for Big E, he convinced himself that his way was the only way because he is always right. Cue galactic scale eyerolling.

[@Gormathius]

@@brigidtheirish Since Slaanesh was born at the time, the galaxy is literally rolling its eye.

[@refurbishedtechpriest9076]

@@Gormathius I see what you did there...

[@brigidtheirish]

@@Gormathius HAHAHAHA!

[@cristianalvarez5803]

"Nothing of such grand scale can be achieved without a singular vision at its heart, least of all the reconquest of the Galaxy." "Didn't you just tell me of the bloody slaughters perpetrated by crusaders? Doesn’t that make you no better than the holy men you were telling me about?" "The difference is I know I am right," said the Emperor. "Spoken like a true autocrat." "You misunderstand, Uriah. I have seen the narrow survival path that is all that stands between humanity and extinction, and this is the way it must begin." "It is a dangerous road you travel. To deny humanity a thing will only make them crave it all the more. And if you succeed in this grand vision of yours? What then? Beware that your subjects do not begin to see you as a god."

[@RatQueen413]

"The difference is I know I am right" Basically a fancy way for him to say "I have literally no counterargument and my narrow-mindedness and hypocrisy has been totally exposed but forget that I'm right you're wrong"

[@ayanleman]

@@RatQueen413 I think he meant "no wait i mean I had a vision of the future! this is the only way!" ...however, that story with him at the tower of babel shows this is just one possible future and shit potentialy could have been just fine without him doing a big space crusade. Olly even calls him out on it as being a thinly veiled excuse to be an autocrat and possibly a self fulfilling prophecy

[@chasewilson3693]

@@ayanleman I don't think he wants to be an Autocrat. He had millennia to do it and could have easily succeeded when Humanities civilizations were young and not strewn about the stars. I believe the emperor pushed for this path for a far more, ironically, human reason. He wanted to jumpstart Humanities evolution so he wouldn't be alone anymore. And no, I don't mean create sons made from his own genetic matter that are like little clones of him. I mean humans in general evolving the point where they are all alpha+ level psyker superhuman geniuses like the emperor. It explains a lot of why the emperor hated mutants so much, because they were going down a far different path than what he wanted humanity to eventually become. Its hard to comprehend the emperor's viewpoint, but the man has spent tens of thousands of years surrounded by humans who he is so much more advanced than. So much so that he views the rest of us like we view chimpanzees. We can see the similarities and why we share so much DNA, but ultimately they are shit throwing animals who are simply lacking in comparison to our intelligence. The emperor sees the rest of humanity the same way and desperately wants us all to start evolving to his level so he can finally have equals and not be surrounded by shit throwing chimps. Even the other perpetuals, while greater than humanity, are still nowhere close to his own level and he can only tolerate Malcador as he is that one genius chimp who can kind of almost be an equal if you squint hard enough. I think that is the real reason the emperor had such a hard time with Horus. Because despite him trying to distance himself from his "sons", who he only viewed as tools, Horus was someone who he unintentionally grew really close to as he just didn't think he could create someone who was so much like himself. Every justification the emperor gives is really just to hide his true very selfish reason, even from himself. Its something all humans want, even super humans like the emperor.

[@ayanleman]

@@chasewilson3693 Good take! For me, even in the story when he tries to convince Olly that humanity's future can't be left up to chance, it almost feels like he's trying to convince himself. Of course, there's also parallels with Dune and the God-Emperor's "Golden Path" plan, but as the lore developed and somewhat distanced itself, I'm starting to feel like it's a deconstruction of that god-emperor's whole schtick of "I need to be brutal to ensure a specific future comes", paralleling in 40k with Konrad's own future sight, giving visions of a future that he's convinced himself is "the only way". Like father, like son. Ultimately, 40k lore is a gnarled mess and there's a few different, valid ways of interpretting it. I just personally like the ones that shit on Emps.

[@aria5614]

"I know I'm right." So did all those crusaders. They were certain they were right too.

[@low-resghul8306]

Man, I remember seeing the awesome “The Last Church” Movie some time ago, before GW shut it down :( The visuals and voice acting was so compelling, I hope the people who worked on it don’t get discouraged by GW’s bullshit, and seek further success!

[@HuevoBendito]

Don't worry, people saved copies. The film is still on KZbin lol

[@TheDeathstyk]

It's still up on KZbin in places.

[@AxioProductions]

I was one of the people who not only funded the movie but did voice acting as a background extra.

[@drmalpractical]

Follow KillTeamHungary, he posts it up often

[@hentaihaven8552]

@@AxioProductions great work thank you

[@95keat]

"religion is the source of the worst wars of mankind" "But your leading a Galaxy sized crusade" "Shut up"

[@Raziel312]

If he hadn't, earth would have gotten rolled by the first Tyrannid hive fleet or Ork Waagh that happened along.

[@SamueL-td7fb]

@@Raziel312 that's only if the Dark Eldar haven't showed up yet...

[@lweaver2988]

@@Raziel312 and if the crusaders hadn't, millions of souls would have been condemned to hell.

[@primusinterpares5767]

@@lweaver2988 So true!

[@Mondy667]

@Muhammedlee The Auretian Technocracy, The Interex and the thousands of human cultures, nations, planetary governments and empires that the Imperium destroyed

[@YoBen100]

Can you imagine Big E, badly wounded and about to take his seat on the Golden Throne while remembering this exact moment when he destroyed the last remnant of the religion of Earth? Big E ensures the priest that he won't make the same mistake as others did before him, but in the end, his empire entered the path of great degradation.

[@jackmack4181]

Big E looking at himself on the golden throne, watching his empire burning to the ground is reminded of the last church. As he slowly loses consciousness he mutters out a word full of pain defeat. “Fuck..”

[@monsterhiddenfromthesun210]

... Fuck me that's seriously like another kick in the teeth. The literal amount of sheer "god dammit" cannot be fathomed by it.

[@jacobfreeman5444]

I doubt Big E is self aware enough to realize he set himself up for his fate. For all his intelligence and abilities he seems to lack hindsight.

[@Obsidianen]

He did try everything he could to supress the religion centered around him at least ;D That was the whole reason why Lorgar became corrupted after all, he was rejected by the Emperor and his main city was burned to the ground because they didnt stop publishing his book.

[@patrickdees5256]

He's probably thinking, "I've became the very thing I sought to destroy..... it's like this is some grimdark story.

[@couchpotato5592]

**Emperor leaves** **Uriah's pocket watch ticking** Trazyn the Infinite: 🙂

[@dexterthejester115]

Oooh moment of history. . . Gimme!

[@r.cdahuman7682]

@@KoffeServer Considering the only other time the watch is ever seen is in a vision Magnus has, the watch might very well have been destroyed. But honestly, I'd prefer if trayzn took it. Then it would still be around, and if any moment in humanity deserves to be preserved it's something from the destruction of the last church on terra.

[@Sylinnilys]

@@r.cdahuman7682 I thought the clock was in Malcadors collection/museum..?

[@r.cdahuman7682]

@@Sylinnilys was it? Last I remember seeing it was in the vision Magnus had directly before Horus's betrayal, the one that prompted him to try and stop Horus's fall.

[@Sylinnilys]

@@r.cdahuman7682 Agreed. I thought it was in one of the novels which detailed malcadors collection, that someone took note of it in passing. I could be misremembering given I don't even remember which novel I thought I was remembering it from.

[@lupercal6461]

Big E during the burning of the last church: Religion only cause problems. Big E when meet the mechanicum of Mars: But Maybe it can have its uses. Big E moments before being interned in the golden throne: Maybe becoming a God is the best choice to protect mankind Big E in the 41 milleniun: Give me this sweet faith juice

[@boartank]

Big sip

[@korstmahler]

Just for interest's sake; Big E, Canonically the first contact he makes with Guilliman in the 41st millennium: *"My son."/"Thirteen."/"Lord of Ultramar."/"Saviour."/"Hope."/"Failure."/"Disappointment."/"Liar."/"Thief."/"Betrayer."/"Guilliman."* _(All at once)_ *"Robute Guilliman."* *"Guilliman"* _(Big E loops on that word a bunch before sending a ton of contradictory telepathic orders to save/kill the other primarchs and the Imperium)_ *"A son"./"Not a son."/"A thing."/"A name."/"Not a name."* _(All at once)_ *"A number. A tool. A product."* _(All at once)_ *"Father. Not a Father. Thing, thing, thing."* *"Apotheosis."/"Victory."/"Defeat."/"Choose."/"Fate."/"Future."/"Past."* _(All at once, again)_ *"Renewal. Despair. Decay."* _(At this point Big E stops tripping on psyker juice long enough to focus)_ *"Guilliman"* *"My last loyal son, my pride, my greatest triumph."* *"My last tool. My last hope."* *"Guilliman..."* Throughout this (it took three or so days real time) Guilliman was a crying wreck but Big E covered that up. The nearby Custodian only saw Guilliman talking with a bright light in a reasoned manner, though he couldn't make out what was said. Source is Dark Imperium: Godblight.

[@GameTimeWhy]

@@korstmahler that's really interesting emperor knows that if Guilliman was seen having his brain melted that it would be really bad for morale.

[@MarkoDash]

if the HH hadn't happened Emps would have probably tried to ether subtly influence the mechanicum away from being a religious organization, or once the imperium was strong enough simply wiped them out.

[@DarkHunter047]

@@MarkoDash Yeah, probably that was the plan but that doesn't make it better. I belive that the technical term for this, in English, is being a b****. You just don't get to shit on religious belief while profiting of one of the largest religions that makind has ever seen, one that specifically see you as their god, a thing that you later chastized one of your sons for doing.

[@thecommentguy9380]

"Deny someone something and they will crave it more" Lorgar, once the most devoted to the Emperor. Went to the Eye of Terror, became a demon prince, in his desperate quest to find God. "Beware that your subject do not begin to worship you as a god" Lorgar

[@Spartan135]

Lorgar is the king of Irony. (no heresy) 🤣🤣🤣

[@thecommentguy9380]

​@@Spartan135 i woulnd't say so. In fact i will drop a hot one, high-key heretical one at that: Lorgar was another victim of the Emperor's refusal to see the error of his ways. Because all primarchs despite of being born as tools, they were all raised as HUMANS, and it is in human's nature to find something they can believe in, save for a few like Perturabo. Just as Uriah instinctively seen Emperor as a god, so did Lorgar. But the Emperor was so harsh in his way that he would rather punish his son and destroy an entire city than to try to understand. Refusing to understand Uriah's view was inconsequential to him, but there were consequence when he denied someone like Lorgar.

[@theweebthatyouknow2269]

And now he sits in his tower to hide from corvus

[@shawnli9775]

@@thecommentguy9380 yeah, big E thought to create trans-human sons to bring in an age of humanity buy it was the humanity that brought lowvtheir dreams.

[@hondshoven8477]

@@thecommentguy9380 Counter - take : Lorgar was a victim of his fear of his own free will. He could've decided to embrace anything else, be it virtue, sin , art or even his own personal, private worship of whatever he desired but he instead was so desperate for a god to tell him what to do and tell him he was the bestest boi , he ran straight to chaos. Big E is also a person (I was gonna say human but meh) so it was entirely in his right to refuse the idea of being turned into a religious icon, a thing he despises so much, where's the empathy for him ? P.S. : I have nothing against your average religious person but Lorgar is far from your average one.

[@wildranger5833]

>Cover a pretty serious book about religion and Emperors hypocracy >End with "Have you seen Baikens boobs?" 10/10. That's why we love you guys

[@ragna3023]

Learning that DK is also into guilty gear warms mu heart if they could only know the the tale of my armorclad dreadnought potenkin

[@addison_v_ertisement1678]

​@@ragna3023I would pull all of the money out of my broke ass bank account if it would mean I could see Potemkin and Big E interact.

[@unsertainley]

Dk making that leap to Alpharius is completely logical and absolutely funny, thank you I needed that

[@seeingseeer5282]

The Last Church is a glimpse at the inherent inhumanity of the Emperor, showing that, though he would absolutely fight for humanity as a whole (and he does do that by hanging on to life despite being entombed and kept in a wounded, half-dead state on the Golden Throne to keep the Astronomican lit) he ultimately could not truly relate to or understand the individual, average person. However, there was an attempt here, a poor attempt, which showed that for all his inhumanity, it seemed that he did want to be able to relate to someone, as one person to another. There's a possibility that Emps truly is a god-like being or something close to a real god that humans have created who thought/felt/pretended/wished he was a human, a person, and that this conversation with Uriah was Emps trying to do SOMETHING, perhaps to cling to what little humanity he had or he thought/felt/pretended/wished he had or to try and have someone truly average on the opposing side switch allegiance to him not through his supernatural charisma but through words only to find that he was too far removed from the average people and not just because of his powers but also because of his age and his knowledge of the universe.

[@davidthomas2870]

That's an interesting take. If the emporer was a god or God-like and had the foresight to see that he would be worshipped, it would also lend some more depth to how the grey knights are "one last shield, forged in defiance of fate". One last attempt to avert his own inevitable fate which every attempt to avoid has only lead him ever closer.

[@garberasandor9699]

This kinda reminds me of a wh40k meme: "The Emperor loves Humanity=happy face As one loves their body. Do you rejoice whenever a new blood cell is made? Do you grief everytime a strand of hair falls off? Do you know the name every individual cell in your body? Of course not.=shocked face"

[@seeingseeer5282]

@@davidthomas2870 Yup, there's a possibility he never wanted to be in a position of power let alone becoming an Emperor and that's because by doing so, the god he truly was would slowly but surely took over and destroy the man he wanted to be. But then came the Iron War. Then the Age of Strife happened. Then the Eldar fell as Slaanesh was born. Then the Chaos Gods all got riled up. Then Orks started to get riled up too and mobilizing like never before. All the while, humanity that had spread across the galaxy was shattered and scattered all over, vulnerable to predations of greater powers in the galaxy. And he was the only one left who was powerful enough to actually have a chance at helping the scattered and lost humanity rebuild to face the turbulent galaxy.

[@davidthomas2870]

@@seeingseeer5282 and then he proceeded to make some pretty grevious mistakes along the way

[@xNero96x]

This also kind of parallels the creation of the space marines and the primarchs, taking humans and making them a bit more like him (transhuman/inhuman) to create an army that would be more reliable, one that could share his logical and cold vision of humanity and his empire. In the end, he could not remove their humanity from them and lot of them fall/betray him for some of the most humane reasons, like love, fear, greed and the most important one FAMILY *insert F&F meme here*

[@mercy3765]

This book alone really puts that whole "40K is a warning of what NOT to become, and what humanity could become if we allow the wrong people to wield the wrong power" thing in perspective. Really hammers that theory down.

[@SamueL-td7fb]

Hehe Spess Muhreens go pew pew

[@lionheartgoodfellow3770]

Humanity had all the cards stacked against them from the beginning though, we needed SOMETHING to be able to stand a chance against the various horrors of the 40kverse ...Well they had the men of iron, but they got chaos corrupted/revolted(?) and broke humanitys collective backs, and from there it just went down the rabbit hole

[@cryamistellimek9184]

I like how people always say “don’t become the imperium of man.” And then ignore the myriad of factors that led to humanity to become what it is. Most annoying thing about Tau arguments.

[@Bluecho4]

@@lionheartgoodfellow3770 The problem with 40K's satire is that, as a fictional universe constructed by writers, it made the mistake of having setting elements that unintentionally make the fascism it's trying to critique be justified. The reason anyone can say "Humanity needed to do [X]" is because the writers wrote it that way. Which has the side effect of portraying brutal, militant authoritarianism as, if not good, then _necessary._ It's hard to have a cautionary tale against Fascism and militant theocracy when foundational setting elements keep making excuses for it.

[@brigidtheirish]

@@Bluecho4 Except everything the Emperor and the Imperium did made things *worse* for humanity. They destroyed aliens who were already *allies* with humans. They turned potential allies into *enemies* because of the wholesale slaughter. Big E's paranoia and insistence on keeping the nature of the Warp secret *lead to several primarchs falling to Chaos.*

[@F0XDogWithABigSmile]

The Harlequin laught in the face of Slaanesh but was terrified when she gazed at the Emperor.

[@Morec0]

I mean, if I saw Satan I feel like even I have enough faith in God to be safe from him. But the One Divine Chimp Ascended? There's nothing about that in the good book.

[@johnmaxwell9966]

Ever since I first read this, I have always wanted to read a "What If" story about what if Uriah had stayed with Big E. I would think that two would have become close. I think he could have been a counter balance to Malcador. Imagine if Uriah would have been there to say "Let me talk to Logar, I've been there and can maybe fix this before you start burning things" or be a comfort to Magnus or Mortiation.

[@refurbishedtechpriest9076]

I like the idea of that. Imagine how different things might have been with a more tempered and humbled individual like Uriah in the mix... Though I'd be lying if I said I didn't likewise want a "What if" story where Uriah is "rescued" by the Dark Gods and "rewarded" for his faith... Not at all unlike the TTS vox-cast episode on this story, only done serious.

[@lionheartgoodfellow3770]

@@refurbishedtechpriest9076 Well...the former actually happened in the fanfic imperium ascendant

[@calebgrant5636]

I like this, actually. Like the angel and devil on his shoulders, with Big E as a (neigh) divine being trying to figure out which is right at the time.

[@lordfelidae4505]

@@calebgrant5636 the emperor is no equine.

[@ScoutTrooperMan]

@@calebgrant5636 big E as kronk with malcador and uriah on his shoulders

[@Thatonedudeyouknowtheone]

>Be Emperor. >Can't even win an argument with a priest of a primitive religion written by an atheist. >Use force >"I'm so smart and great and righteous."

[@Lightscribe225]

"An Athiest Accidentally Reaffirms Religion" the book. The Emperor who could sway the friggin Dark Gods to a bargain, and convince armies to surrender could not get a priest to renounce his faith.

[@Morec0]

@Muhammedlee nor should they. If they could/did they'd leave themselves and future generations open to indoctrination by others. The first thing any culture must do is establish rejection of the other and their ideas. It's all fascinating when you begin to consider the mechanics of it.

[@CWB342]

@Muhammedlee it's odd that you ended that statement with "open your mind."

[@Nempo13]

@Muhammedlee ​ Atheism itself is a religion. It is a belief, after all. Without proof, atheists ae just believers in a different religion. THAT is the sad fact they cannot handle. Atheists are also just as fervor filled about their beliefs as any church goer, just listen to how empassioned they get about preaching their beliefs. The only ones who have it right are the agnostics. They don't know what is there, so don't believe one way or another. accept this unknown and move on. They do not believe there is no god, they also don't believe there IS a god...they admit they don't know and leave it at that. You yourself are incredibly closed minded by your own words here. Hence why it is odd you end your statement with "open your mind" when your own is incredibly closed.

[@sirreginaldfishingtonxvii6149]

@@Nempo13 I would disagree. Atheism in itself isn't a belief, it is the absence of one. Much like the absence of an ideology is not an ideology in itself, I say atheism should not be perceived as a belief. I would also say the difference between atheists and agnostics is really quite small. Atheists say "we do not believe in scientific concepts without adequate proof, and as such we do not believe in a god, as it lacks adequate proof." Agnostics say "there is not adequate enough proof of a god, therefore I won't believe in god, but I'm open to the idea I guess." Both, in a sense, would lean on proof for a god to believe in it. But the vast majority of atheists would _also_ believe in a god if presented with adequate proof. Most would treat it as any other scientific concept. In reality, the line between the two are quite thin. However, I would say that sense of anti-religion you described, the thing you hear some atheists peach about, _that_ could very much count as a belief

[@ASingleSpaghetti]

@@Nempo13 An atheist is just someone who doesn't believe in the existence of a god. Any belief systems you attribute to everyone whos an atheist came out of your own brain.

[@orraklbenedict1832]

Man if we ever get an episode on Malcador the Sigillite it's gonna be GOLD

[@raideurng2508]

Not as golden as Emps

[@alphariusomegon3965]

Restart the clock

[@F0XDogWithABigSmile]

Well what kind of books are on him? 'The First Lord of the Imperium' and a Lot of references but nothing definitive. We know he did maybe gave the Emperor the Info of Molech and more. He took care of the 11. and 2. Primarch with definitive Russ and maybe the Lion. And shokeslamed Horus when he didnt approved. The only thing we really know is what happened during the heresy. And than he is always just the man behind the curtain

[@Maribro4]

Remember when DK absolutely nailed the quote that first time? I’m still hoping he gets it again but Im not holding my breath

[@Th4tOn36uy]

He’s on a long streak but a small hope burns that he can do it again to break it

[@phylippezimmermannpaquin2062]

I mean he was right

[@12shaymin12]

Don’t forget, the emperor talked about the wars of religion while simultaneously waging the biggest war in human history against religion.

[@yahyamusseb]

Which became a religion in its own right

[@Raziel312]

And if he hadn't? Life wasn't that great under the techo-barbarian chiefs. If a Tyrannid swarm or an Ork Waagh came knocking, you think the techno-barbarian nations could have repelled them?

[@benjaminhartsock3281]

@@Raziel312 Right. It's understandable, just ironic. Every action he accused religion of, he'd done so many times it was just another day to him.

[@benjaminhartsock3281]

@Muhammedlee Why? "Embrace my way or die." sounds pretty standard.

[@praisethesun.praisedeussol6051]

@@benjaminhartsock3281 only that it Wasn't imaginary and through believe and worship warp god's did form and would form

[@bplup6419]

"God is cringe. I am based. My humility is as infinite as my love for Angron." - Big E

[@jakehearn432]

Someone get the corpse emperor some aloe vera

[@cyanideinmycereal1077]

The Last Church, known also by it’s alternate title: “Lorgar was literally right: part 1”

[@itsjustaline]

Wait , it’s have part 2 ??

[@Lynch2507]

@@itsjustaline part 2 is the Ecclesiarchy and the Sisters of Battle and all that jazz

[@ohamatchhams]

@@Lynch2507 Ah yes, the age of apostasy was plunged further into the mixture into the bloated mess of 40K Imperium, at least before Ultramarine Primarch tried to unfrick portions of said bloated mess

[@lucascoval828]

"Lorgar was F%$&ING RIGHT!!!" 😡😡😡

[@jerichoazariah180]

TTS did this event justice in its podcast, having uriah point out all the hypocrisy of the emperor and the action his imperial truth has destroyed rather than make was so amazing.

[@jeremy1860]

I love how one of the greatest conflicts in this franchise was a battle of words instead of guns 😊

[@Real7419]

Emperor: source? Uriah: it came to me in a dream Emperor: *I was the dream*

[@the_mad_fool]

The Emperor: "Religion causes terrible conflict and is therefore bad." Also the Emperor: Wages a galaxy-spanning campaign of annihilation against anything and anyone who won't submit to his rule, including other Humans, all while calling it _The Great Crusade._

[@Nempo13]

A crusade, as in the word itself, has no religious implications. We link it to religion because of the Crusades in the holy land. However, a crusade is merely a war of total conquest. Why do we not use conquest then? Simple...a conquest you capture the land AND people. A crusade has you KILL the people who do not totally surrender. You leave nothing alive that doesn't bend the knee, and any dissidents are immediately killed along with anyone that helped them. You leave nothing and no one alive behind you that even contains the merest spec of a thought of rebellion. THIS is a crusade. A conquest you always leave parts of your armies behind you to control the land and populous. It is like when the Zimbabwe tribes completely wiped out the tribes around them. That was a crusade. They killed and eliminated entire people from the planet. Another crusade was Alexander's expansion. It was a conquest but he killed a LOT of people, and completely decimated entire armies in places he conquered to ensure they could never rise up against him and attack him from behind while he marched onward.

[@the_mad_fool]

@@Nempo13 I don't know where you base that definition on...crusade comes from the French word "croisade" that roughly means "the way of the Cross." It means a religious war in every dictionary you'll ever find. Your definition doesn't even line up with the actual historical Crusades, which were not exceptionally murderous compared to other wars at the time.

[@sirreginaldfishingtonxvii6149]

@@Nempo13 Uhh... No? Sure, it can mean "a remedial enterprise undertaken with zeal and enthusiasm", which is a newer definition and the closest to what you described, though then againalso not at all what you described. Crusade as a word literally stems from "cross" though, as in "crucifix", or as someone else here said the french "croisade." The Crusades were _the_ crusades, not "just some other crusades", and were the origin of the term. They have direct, specifically religious connotations. We link it to religion because they are _literally holy wars._ Seriously, where did you get this info from?

[@rsv2pyroskitllez1]

To be fair every war we've had is that or for land/wealth, it's stupid to think you can end all of it permanently by winning one great war, but it's a way to end it

[@thatoneguy5582]

As a religious person I really love that you guys admit to not believing yourselves while still being hugely respectful cause we need more of that in this world in all aspects. Love you guys and keep up the awesome content.

[@aloaloings5596]

Dam my condolences

[@brigidtheirish]

Same. Deriding the beliefs of others bothers me a lot, in part because I was on the receiving end of a lot of it in college, partially because respect for the beliefs of others is *literally in my religion's rulebook.*

[@stangerr0267]

I think a big reason behind why this is so loved is that the Emperor could not understand the difference between faith and spirituality. One does not need faith to be spiritual, to be moved by an idea or motive that cannot be logically explained.

[@jellyfisharedumb9783]

I think I just had a revelation about The Emperor being such a bad dad. He created the primarchs in his image, assuming they would have the same mental fortitude and maturity he did, he thought he created beings that were just like him. But his sons were far more human than he.

[@UNSCMarine117]

17:27 Shy is just a being of pure chaos.

[@memesofwarhemmer7076]

The emporer : I believe gods don’t exist Me: so you worship nekhowho god of unbelief The emporer: no Nechowho: you are now now my champion god emporer of man kind

[@cultistofdarkness1661]

The emperor: *surprised pikatchu face*

[@ImprovmanZero]

Best Magnus line

[@georgebulbakwa9017]

The Last Church was one of the pieces of lore that I got introduced into early on. It really painted the emperor in a sanctimonious light. He was putting a good argument until it went south for him. After which he just justified his actions on shady decisions. It was all "I have seen it" and a flat out belief that only he was right. He was running on faith on his superiority. He didn't think he could possibly be wrong.

[@Keaghan9]

But who are we to say he isn’t right when we don’t have the foresight of even a regular psyker?

[@leviaaron500]

@@Keaghan9 Foresight may be questionable, but hindsight is 20/20.

[@Keaghan9]

@@leviaaron500 in regular matter yes but galactic conquest is no regular matter,let’s not forget he sees the future far better than even sanguinius and Conrad; to have peace in a galaxy that’s filled with war hungry orks,overstimulated psychic elves,pheromone controlled communist, ever evolving bugs,and monstrous constructs of thought and emotion; you gotta do horrendous acts just as much as you gotta do great acts

[@Kropothead]

@@Keaghan9 Except that those actions have chiefly served to make everything worse. The Warp wouldn’t be so far gone if he hadn’t cheated, then attempted to starve the Dark Gods. Imperial brutality ends up making more daemons and sending more souls to chaos or the xenos. For instance, if the Imperium had any quality of life for the lower class, Genestealer cults would never gain a foothold.

[@Keaghan9]

@@Kropothead there’s no real indication that he made a deal with the chaos gods, only that he went to the warp for some time and came back with knowledge on how to make the primarchs, if his action feed them in the first place then why call him the anathema. Because of chaos that the imperium is like this today

[@orraklbenedict1832]

Best episode yet in my opinion. ALL HAIL THE MAN-EMPEROR OF MANKIND!

[@Spartan135]

YAY

[@Zakvadr1995]

Hail Manperor!

[@deathkorpstrooper8228]

PRAISE BE THE MAN-EMPEROR OF MANKIND!!

[@Zibit21]

"The Last Church" convinced me that Emperor deserved EVERYTHING that happened to him later. Especially the Horus Heresy, "enthronization " and Imperial Cult.

[@vicnedel02]

This is why I like black library. They allow the writers to go all out. They asked this dude to write the most fucked up thing ever, he delivers the demon-kebaba. They ask him to write an atheist vs religion debate, he knocks it out of the park so hard that people are still debating who won the argument. Dude leaves Black Library to write a series about a videogame that has no story, he gives the world Arcane.

[@Kivanos]

Which writer is the one who worked on Arcane and 40k?

[@joshuaandremalata6231]

This is just a reminder that, in the end, Lorgar won.

[@redgunnit]

Yep, he be laughing from wherever he is in the warp. Though obviously not loud enough for Corvus to hear, of course.

[@RatQueen413]

As Telemachon put it, “The Word Bearers won.’ Telemachon was on his hands and knees in the dust, blood trickling from his unmoving silver mouth. He laughed and heaved and vomited and laughed, speaking between dragged breaths and violent convulsions. ‘The Word Bearers won. They eat dirt and drink shame. They chant prayers to the unwanted truth through bloodied lips. They lost everything. And yet they still won.” From Black Legion

[@hfar_in_the_sky]

One of the reasons I love this short story is because it's a story where arguably a normal, flawed human "beats" the Emperor, not through strength of arms but through the vindication of their beliefs. And it's because he's arguably a normal, flawed human understands and loves other humans despite all their flaws and failings as well. It's a story with so much to unpack and every time I go back to it I always find something to ponder

[@brigidtheirish]

Yes. The Emperor loves to *idea* of humanity. An idealization of what humanity *could be.* Uriah loves humanity as it *is.*

[@brigidtheirish]

@Muhammedlee Well, it's not exactly a win for Big E, either.

[@alejandrorivas4585]

@Muhammedlee he beats Big E by embodying the strength and courage religion can provide. Emps is a virtually omniscient omnipowerful being and yet could not sway his belief in the good his work had done. He was not debating to convince Big E, but rather defend the virtue and good of his work. Which he did. He died sure in his mind. Mind you I'm an athiest, but Big E failed. And all his attacks left to rust as blades in rain, as time made a fool of him.

[@Spacewizzard090]

The Last Church. or to give it its working title, "Graham McNeill doesn't understand theology for 90 minutes or so"

[@SpoopySquid]

R/ Atheism: The Novella

[@shadowofebony385]

I like that in the art for this episode you can see big e's skull with cables attached to it behind the church. as if suggesting he's reviewing his memories on the Golden throne.

[@42ndguardian]

Wouldn't it be hilarious to learn later down the line that the methods the Eldar used to create their gods were eerily similar to the way Big E was created? Except in Webway instead of the Materium

[@brigidtheirish]

@Herbert Meier Unless unbelief *is* what he's the god of.

[@winter945]

I mean Ynnead is made up of the various souls of eldar who are in the infinity circuit, so souls combining together can be enough to create a god, and if the origin if the emperor is still cannon of the psykers combining themselves into one being then it very much is similar

[@lucascoval828]

It's a possibility that a group of Grey Jedi utilized their mind meld abilities to create Big E from their collective energy.

[@_NIKOS9_NIKOS]

Emperor: There is no such thing as gods! "lol" said Tzeentch as it yeeted the baby Primarchs across the galaxy "lmao"

[@frogwithhumanteeth7535]

Big E talks to a Little Guy about his Little Guy life for an Hour. Fucking loved it

[@bingusmingus2937]

“The difference is I know I am right” the most dangerous phrase a human has ever said

[@ronantheronin3521]

"human"

[@isaiahburns9140]

Loved the gif of Raiden punching Armstrong. Nanomachines, son

[@sharpetutor227]

Why didn’t the emperor question the fact that a blind and deaf man was left alone and ran around freely to get stuck in a storm in the first place?

[@Resomius]

Because that's normal for him. Look at any manufactorum. Man had to be happy not to be around to gotten turned into a servitor

[@steps8140]

@Muhammedlee well how would a blind deaf man recognize thunderstorm

[@steps8140]

@Muhammedlee fair enough

[@l33t9r0u93]

the 1st time i heard of the last church was through TTS and man was it awesome, the VA for the priest was awesome and sass-back between him and Big E was gold (which makes because emperor)

[@omegawilliam95s36]

REMOVE CHOAS REMOVE CHOAS REMOVE CHOAS REMOVE CHOAS

[@JackClockerinos]

@@omegawilliam95s36 Alright! LISTEN HERE YOU SHRIEKING REVENANT!

[@HuevoBendito]

I heard Smell of the Game. This truly was a great episode.

[@xaga8794]

While I love the story. I also am a fan of the tts version where Uriah became a demon prince of chaos undivided

[@FireTalon24]

As far as I am aware, he's but a simple priest worshipping his new Gods, not a daemon prince himself.

[@xaga8794]

@@FireTalon24 he has his free will. As far as I know only demon prince are able to have there own opinion without getting the Eldar treatment

[@TheOnlyeX]

TTS podcast on the Last Church is a good, if a little fanfic-y, continuation of the debate. After ten thousand years, Big E lost most of his points. On a more serious side, Guilliman inquiring about the nature of divinity in "Godblight", by Guy Haley, is good too.

[@Keaghan9]

In his defense,his soul and mind was shattered thanks to Horus so he wasn’t in the best condition. Most of Uriah’s points can be easily bunked.

[@alejandrorivas4585]

@@Keaghan9 yeah, as good a read it is, its very "first time seriously thinking about theology and epistemology". And thats fine, cuz if they started talking infinite regress or russel's teapot we'd lose some folks. Still a good read.

[@Keaghan9]

@@alejandrorivas4585 regardless I’m still with the emperor as no matter how much people try to point out flaws for his work,at the end of the day,the four chaos gods banded together in order to stop him…which is an extremely big deal. So whatever he’s doing,he’s doing something right

[@cybronikai1957]

What solidifies BIg E's humanity is his natural human traits. He is no stranger to hubris, arrogance, and vanity.

[@Hoangapalooza]

I remember watching the animated version of The Last Church on KZbin during my early weeks of starting my Warhammer 40K hobby. It was a random video that was recommended while I was searching for painting guides by Duncan Rhodes and decided to give it a full listen. I'm an absolute sucker for good banter and definitely recommend it to anyone who hasn't read it, even after hearing the summary of it in this video. Either way Day 35 of asking for a Space Wolves Lore video 🙏

[@Resomius]

Woof Woof Woof

[@dalekrenegade2596]

I'm still waiting for Emperor's Children/Rylanor.

[@nullakjg767]

Yeah its still uploaded and has like 500k views.

[@sorufa888]

Reset the clock

[@ZekeBuildsSlow]

I believe I've read a few places that the emperor is actually normal human sized and the psychic projection is the golden giant man. If I remember correctly in Master of Mankind you see from the perspective of a sister of silence. When this sister sees the emperor for the most part he just appears to be a human man. That could also just be the emperor making her see that too, who knows what his actual power levels are.

[@ZekeBuildsSlow]

@Herbert Meier I'd say it does when you're talking about blanks like the sisters

[@ZekeBuildsSlow]

@Herbert Meier That's the whole point of a blank? That's why he had the silent sisterhood made, to hunt psykers of course they affect his power the reference in the first post was to a book where they do that. Blanks have no soul and there for can't be touched by psykers aka the emperor. Now there are ranked levels of anti psyker like there are psykers which is why I said maybe his power was still affecting the sister.

[@Ashtor1337]

If you seek the truth read the HH book about Corax. He sees through the projection when he first meets the Emperor. Big E actually has to push to get Corax to see what everyone else does....

[@ZekeBuildsSlow]

@Herbert Meier "now there are ranked levels of anti psyker like there are psykers which is why I said maybe his power was still affecting the sister" I might not have been clear but they're powers, the emperors and the sisters would inherently always mess with each being that they are opposites. And like the other comment said it's been stated multiple times that the weapons and even armor of the emperor are actually just projections or manifestations of his psyker powers. I mean aside from the sword that guilliman now uses. But yes the emperors power would effect the sister and the sister would effect the emperor.

[@hollowparagon1102]

Oh boi, another legion episode! I can't wait for the Fulgrim, Rylanor and the Emperor's Children episode! Then they should do the Sanguinius and the Blood Angels episode next! (Reset the clock! Reset it until they have nothing left to talk about!)

[@masterchief674]

On the topic of Big E`s Divinity next Ep should be about the Raizing of Monarchia and Lorgar. Excerpt: ''You say ,you can picture it? Idont believe you. The heavens rained fire. And with it, delievered to us the 13th. Warrior Kings of Ultramar, slaughtering innocents..... All that remains is but Ash. False Angels. As the Seas boiled and the Earth burned...... My faith didnt die. It is the moment I began to believe God was real......... And he hated us.''

[@thomashearne6643]

Do remember that Chaos refers to the Emperor as The Anathema. He poses a genuine existentioal threat to them.

[@CupCakeUnleashed]

*starts video* "Oh, I gotta read this book" *Pauses video.* *Buys The Last Chuch* *Listens for an hour and a half* *returns* "Yeah this is a banger"

[@CupCakeUnleashed]

I actually did this btw

[@PyrusFlameborn]

@@CupCakeUnleashed I hope you enjoyed the book

[@Matej_Sojka]

I consider Last Church to be a tragedy because it clearly shows Big E did not intend for Imperium to become what it is (despite Luetin´s theories to the contrary). He was doing his best to build something that does not need religion and it was because he was so detached from humans at this point already that he missed the very important fact that religious people are people who WANT to be religious. It does not matter that they get their morals from society they live in they will still claim all the good and evil they do is due to divine, not their own agency. Emperor is certainly hypocritical when he condemns those before him when he uses exactly the same methods. But speaking of hypocrisy, Uriah is a thief who placed his loot on the altar he worshiped... And sees no problem with that.

[@Bluecho4]

One definition of Fascism is posited thus: _Palingenetic Ultranationalism._ Which is to say a fusion of "Ultranationalism" (the belief in the primacy of the nation state above all other matters) and "Palingenesis" ("Rebirth"). Together creating an ideology that looks forward to, and works to the creation of, a nation's fated rebirth, with frankly biblical overtones. The Last Church reminds us that Big-E is very much a fascist. That only he can save humanity, that humanity can reclaim what is theirs by birthright, and that if they fail it will mean humanity's death. All common fascist talking points, used to justify the consolidation of power, endless war, and the death of or stripping the rights from those positioned by the fascist as "Other". And that, being a fascist, Big-E be definition is peddling a religion. He's formed a personality cult around himself, with the insistence that humanity will only survive and thrive by pursuing its destiny as galaxy conquerors. No matter how much he wants to think otherwise, Big-E's Imperium was _always_ going to become a theocratic state that worships him as a god. Because Fascism, at its core, is a Death Cult.

[@henrypaleveda7760]

A lot of religious people don't even forgo agency, but say I used may agency this way, or chose to not do this other thing. But yeah you're right about the hypocrisy of humanity.

[@BryceJ80]

I think Uriah didn't see the watch as loot. He probably saw it as a burden. A relic that would proclaim doomsday and a reminder of his own shameful past. A reminder to be a better person. I bet he would have thrown it away. Given the chance.

[@Caercutta30]

Scréw his intentions! We all got intentions! This freak Harvested the destinies of 1000 generations because he found "a sure thing".

[@Caercutta30]

Hypocrisy,@@henrypaleveda7760? Or the paradox of humanities dueling natures?

[@thomas_dries]

The last church is one of my favorite WH40K Short stories.

[@theassassin8397]

Fcking perfect ending. I love this episode so much lol. It really had everything from way too super dark topics, bloody gore and violence, diplomacy and deep discussion, and last but not least, humor lol

[@zup9494]

@56:33 holy fuck was that one of the best ways to close an episode yet 😂😂

[@kakyoin9688]

For the Emps being a bad dad, I saw an interesting theory that states the deal he made with Chaos was that he’d have to return half of his sons in exchange for the power to make 20 of them. It makes some sense considering how he treated some primarchs compared to others, he treated the ones good that he wanted to keep. There’s also the fact that Emps and Malcador planned for a civil war to happen as Malcador relays to a dying servant. I’d like to believe there was a time limit to where chaos would take back half the sons and that’s why Emps was so hellbent to finish the Great Crusade. He punished Logar only because he took forever and not for his religious dogma.

[@azathoththe3rd]

I think that was revealed later to be a lie Malcador made up to comfort the servent.

[@Irregulargremlin]

@@azathoththe3rd Iirc it's implied it may be a lie but not confirmed

[@exzyyd392]

@@azathoththe3rd Malcadorl: "We fucked up, everything is going wrong, this wasn't meant to happen. The Emperor will catch you when you fall" Everyone: Clearly he was lying about the whole thing and not just the last part. His words were clearly made up to comfort her

[@Ye-Hu]

If the chaos gods are the corrupted versions of Honor-Vengeance-Justice, Nature-Resilience-Solidarity, Love-Happiness-Freedom, knowledge-Hope-Progress. Then the emperor its the corruption of faith, just like the priest and the empreror said, faith can be a force of good just like it can be a force of evil. But man i really expected this to be related to malcador in some way. Also: Nice 56:18

[@77yvurc]

I cant help but think of TTS take on this and the ,ahem, 'rematch' between Big E and Uriah

[@SamueL-td7fb]

REMOVE CHOAS

[@77yvurc]

@@SamueL-td7fb "Thats not even how you say it!"

[@xaga8794]

@@77yvurc REMOVE CHOAS REMOVE CHOAS REMOVE CHOAS REMOVE CHOAS

[@77yvurc]

@@xaga8794 "LISTEN HERE, YOU SHREIKING REVENANT!"

[@CthulhuOnCam]

Well done Shy. The "It was me Austin!" Vince face got a good laugh out of me

[@grandeagle2127]

undoubtedly one of your best episodes, when you guys get a bit more introspective and insightful the content is very enjoyable, tho meme episodes are fun too don’t get me wrong, hope to see more content like this

[@Coldman942]

I just discovered you guys a couple of months ago and have been listening to fill in some gaps in my 40K knowledge. This episode made me get this story on audible, and it is now one of my favorite 40K stories. Thanks guys.

[@znalniaskas]

That was a great episode about a great book. If you want to explore the theme of some people needing religion more the HH book "the first Heretic" about Lorgar is a good one.

[@Resomius]

Emps: "uhhhh. religion badddd. I burn down your House!" Silent (Daddy) King: "I stabbed your god because I needet batterys for m pimp ride. And I will do it again.

[@suacemanaquiatan9380]

Wait, what did the King do again?

[@ironwarrior5328]

You forgot the part where Uriha comes back as a demonic grand priest of chaos undivided and tells big E to stick it

[@cryamistellimek9184]

Only in TTS.

[@redjirachi1]

"I am euphoric. Not because I believe in any phony God, but because I am enlightened by my own intelligence" The Emperor of Mankind's first kniown words, Circa 8th millennium BCE-29th millennium CE

[@madmanvarietyshow9605]

To share a pov as a former religious person I actually have one major issue with the story. While I think both Uriah and Revelation were written well, you can tell an Atheist wrote it. And not just an Atheist but someone who probably really like Dawkins and never grew out of his new Atheist phase. Now as Uriah is an old man and all that the argument between them makes total sense as it's an argument I've seen played out on internet forums hundreds of times between churchgoers and new atheists. My problem is it could go deeper but instead chooses to stay on the surface and that once you listen to McNeil in interviews you realize that Revelation is an author self insert and it kinda ruins it.

[@SolarArmadillo]

Yup, Emps arguments, as they are presented here, would be annihilated by any any half trained Jesuit, Imam, or Rabbi. The idea of the story is way better than the moment to moment back and forth.

[@brutalbeard9441]

"you can tell an Atheist wrote it" Why do you say that? Sincere question :-) The Emperor is an Atheist, and is an incredibly flawed character. Grandiose in presentation but makes a lot of "inhumane" decisions. The criticisms he levies against religion are just to paint the irony of what's to come and the "tragedy" of his grim dark legacy. The illustration of the failures of 40k humans as murderous zealots isn't because Faith itself is the problem -> it was all kicked off by the actions of an atheist, gods do exist in this world - including the Emperor's Divine power, and other Gods/Worship is conducted in a healthy relationship (Eldar had a good god, for example). It's the human's behavior that is to be criticized - not religion itself. 40k uses religion for powerful imagery and a commentary on human's behavior with it - while the focus is on crazy space battles. While I do enjoy deeper theological discourses, I don't think it's part of the scope for the stories this series is trying to tell - crazy wars and bad behaviors.

[@lucascoval828]

Maybe TJ Kirk ghost-wrote the story?

[@Morec0]

There's literally a picture of the author taken with Dawkins out there, so your assertion is probably right on the nose. And as a former atheist I find that hilarious.

[@bigneto95]

@@brutalbeard9441 emps is a atheist and flawed but not retardo to use such shallow arguments agains the Last religious priest on terra

[@goldenguardian8753]

It’s so poetic that to see how the emperor’s mind is so twisted that he is the one way, the man is a god yet refuses to believe so.

[@UCannotDefeatMyShmeat]

“Blasphemy is a victimless crime” is a wildly good line

[@baddudeonthescreen9346]

What did the agnostic, insomniac, dyslexic do? Stayed up all night pondering the existence of dog.

[@SpoopySquid]

Lol

[@calebgrant5636]

I have this wonderful headcannon where Big E, Malcador, and Urias are all crammed inside of the Golden Throne. Malcador had a psychic image of himself flashed into the throne when he held the seat, Urias pocket watch slots into the throne somehow, and Emps is just like "wtf okay?" The three share a studio apartment, and BOY is it awkward.

[@zevalastlegion4228]

The tts short series we needed all along and never got. What a beautifully wacky idea. I love this and now can not envision it any other way.

[@TimeCircleBlue]

“Imperium Ascendant” but Dark Mirror’ed.

[@imperialguardsman5726]

every time Urias sees the emperor he goes "told you so" no matter when and how

[@DrakeSteel23]

I'm so glad I decided to watch all the way up to the very end. Thank you Shy for including Smell of the Game when DK and Bricky brought up guilty gear that was hilarious.

[@Fire_Gaming64]

Bricky’s explanation of the doomsday stopwatch pains be for the inaccuracies, and only because it’s such an important yet small piece of the story

[@ghostrider4915]

the last 15min of episode in particular was amazing, and love the editing right there at the end. this is definitely my favorite episode on the citadel.

[@Andersonzabuza]

I think my favorite part of the book is that the Emperor spends the whole book trying to break Uriah's faith, to turn the priest to logic and reason. He even offers Uriah a place by his side as a result of their conversation! And Uriah, because he's a normal guy who started off godless just to find faith because of a 'miracle', can tell the Imperium to be is going to go down a dark path chooses to die in the building of his faith. The emperor still thinks of it as a victory because he's burned the last church and the last priest is dead, not 'converted' as Big Emps would have preferred, that he's proved his point and won...which displays his crucial misunderstanding of faith and the human condition. 'Faith' doesn't disappear just because there's no people preaching it or buildings to practice it in. Faith is ethereal. Faith is intangible and a part of humanity. And Big Emps unable to tolerate or understand that is why the Imperium is in the state it is and why I believe the Emperor never could defeat Chaos himself. Uriah won the debate. Even if Big Emps learned SOMETHING from the whole ordeal, which is a great explanation for why the Emperor had a human chancellor in Malcador the Sigilite, cause he secretly realizes that he is inhuman and needs to try and control that side of himself.

[@jsantacruz7125]

Exactly! >:D Most people need to believe in something. An ideology, a philosophy, a religión, a value, a code, etc. Many need to believe in something greater than themselves: That is faith.

[@filipevasconcelos4409]

DK THAT ENDING SEGWAY WAS *chef's kiss*

[@907norseman]

"Warhammer 40k" also known as "Space gods go to war with eachother"

[@dominicscreativefilms]

I love this story and the fan film of it. Not only is it a nice break from the usual story about chainswords and bolter porn, but I love that this is basically a educated and nonviolent debate between a atheist and a priest and wasn’t really super one sided. Also the foreshadowing was so good but also so tragic.

[@mistabrrrly]

This was a good episode and I’d like another one with “The Board is Set” short story

[@mastershangchi3410]

God damn I love this super hype beginning this premiere always has.

[@thecommentguy9380]

Suggestion: get DK to watch The Last Church animation at once

[@filipevasconcelos4409]

I second this

[@UCannotDefeatMyShmeat]

39:57 that’s an interesting point, Emps is only supreme in his physical humanity and intelligence, yet he could lack what we might call the human spirit

[@roman09121997]

You shouldn't say that it was the Emperor, till the end.

[@chrisc7563]

In keeping with Ridiculous if not the lore, for reference, Siegler's win wasn't just "he won the biggest tournament in the world two times running" but he did it with a "B Tier" army in a meta which includes "S Tier" and "A Tier". He battled through all the best other players in the world using S tier lists to do it. And it gets stupider. He also won the worldwide ITC ranking which is based on tournaments entered and won, making him the world champion of 40k for the 2021 season despite entering a mere 6 tournaments against people who entered a couple of dozen (he won all the big ones). He's like a primarch that decided to master 40k.

[@inquisitorhedgehog3730]

''Was it Alpharius?'' Me, Alpharius, eating my sandwich: ''I didnt do it!''

[@chancesloan901]

Bought the audio book just to listen to it before this episode of the podcast, amazing book and the foreshadowing of it was amazing..

[@Laban6112]

DK should check out the last chirch animation on youtube. It's like a movie honestly

[@deadlyydude5522]

I literally watched it last night, and then this episode comes out, this simulation we’re living in is weird sometimes. (The animation is awesome btw)

[@takebacktheholyland9306]

Watching this on youtube and being the only 40k I've technically read is beautiful

[@samuelspry6955]

34:33 "As long as God has had a name, people have fought about it." Bricky agreed, Shy disagreed. DK was right.

[@ComfortsSpecter]

18:25 Shy being the funniest thing holding the entire podcast together:

[@Thisisaworkofrat]

He truely is the warhammer 40k

[@mikhaelgribkov4117]

Will they mention that one eternal theist dude who was friend with Emperor? I just heard about him a little.

[@jacobbosecker6916]

An episode on Ollanius Pious would be good.

[@madmanvarietyshow9605]

Btw yall if ya haven't seen the fan animation of this story please do yourself a favor and watch it its fantastic.

[@sirgaz8699]

Well Bricky, you keep bringing up how all your favorite movies are sad old men talking. This is a book of sad old men talking.

[@iambumbo7534]

Like how bricky saying it was a lie made DK instantly think alpha legion, what a host

[@michaelbootes4822]

I might of missed it did Bricky mention the significance of the broken watch that ticked as the church burned? It was said the watch only moved forward as mankind approached destruction or something similar it hadn’t worked since the priest had obtained it so when it started ticking as the church burned was a powerful of not very subtle message