The End Of Classic Cars? What the 2030 Ban Will Mean Will You Still Be Able To Drive Your Classic?

[@chrisbaker121924]

I’ve always made the assumption that driving a used car is way more efficient than buying a new car. Nice to see my assumption was right!

[@olikat8]

"Manufacture equity"

[@isaacsrandomvideos667]

Yup

[@recyclespinning9839]

If you stop buying new cars and just fix old , it more green than building new. How can it be more green building new factories, new batteries, new electric power plants , new steel, . Its all about selling new . Its all BS . Just fix old and build cities for people , phase out cars. We care sooo much about our children , yet we pollute their air , tons of pollution . So full of BS we all are....

[@jsanders100]

@@recyclespinning9839 well you are. What you say only applies if you do a low mileage. Are you suggesting we stop building new cars and all stick to old wrecks?

[@vincentl.9469]

@@recyclespinning9839 you mean we become like Cuba?

[@maxwellgunning]

Long live internal combustion! Provided the shell of the car is a beauty.

[@theclassicvaluer6998]

They don't make them like they use to

[@chargeheadsuk]

Arguably ugly cars are more interesting to look at and rarer 😉🤣

[@Thinginator]

@@chargeheadsuk I actually really like ugly classic cars for some reason, they’re just strangely charming IMO.

[@robgraham9234]

@@theclassicvaluer6998and it’s probably just as well!

[@BIGBUN34]

Surely the leap in alternative energy cars.Are companies going for the new technology.The cost up front is to high for now for most people.Of course 2nd hand electric car are almost worthless.most have poor reliability but range.so with batteries being replaceable but extremely expensive so I don’t think.there’s going to any chance of anything going to happen for the foreseeable future.Allan

[@FakeItalianoII]

My toughts : Gouverment(s) will start increasing the price of gasoline ( petrol ) and yearly automobile registration so consumers will eventually get rid of those cars. Then we see the trap they have for us : the price of electricity will go up, also gradually. Governments will justify this by saying there is too much demand and not enough supply, "we need to implement new energy producing means" ( what ever they will be ).

[@ChicanoOne760]

New energy source will be infants in pods creating heat.

[@VintageVaughnVehiclces]

Usa cars o er 30 years exempt from tag renual permanently tagged for $ 28usd I have 23 cars never have to pay any yearly tag fee anymore. Insurance $1.oo a day for 2 cars. Diesels are the choice to restore and keep 16gal used motor oil 3 gal farm diesel 2 gal gasoline 4onz acetone Yield 21 gallons Black diesel costs $0.81 a gallon 25MPG what more could you want

[@Prosecute-fauci]

@@ChicanoOne760 no, that would require them to not kill the infants, and the people who are pushing these “green” policies love killing babies too much for that.

[@nmn8829]

It's time people stand up against this whole fiasco

[@captainamerica9353]

I agree. There are a number of ways to ban old vehicles, some as you said, keep increasing petrol costs, refuse to license them, set up road blocks / inspections, etc. Fuel rationing, it's sort of like gun control; they will ban or tax ammo of of existence, making the guns useless except as displays . . .

[@gerardlacey9384]

I recently replaced the exhaust on my Austin a35 and was short of a piece for the tailpipe, after looking around for a piece of pipe I found an old bike frame with the crossbar exactly the size that I needed, a little over an inch in diameter which fitted perfectly. A short while later I was at a junction behind a big almost new people carrier thing with two big exhausts one either side and I remember thinking no one could make me believe that what came out of my little bicycle crossbar could be worse than those two big exhausts for the atmosphere. Lovely video. Many thanks. Gérard lacey in Ireland.

[@superchuck3259]

Government exhaust is always good. In England during the 1950s there were nuclear fuel piles cooled with air to make plutonium. Open air vented out into the world. It caught fire and made a mess. I use this as proof the government don't care at all about the environment. I see this 2030 thing as a ploy to make a bunch of money. If people don't comply, they they will blame everything on them. It is win win for the gov't con.

[@danielbentley8103]

@@superchuck3259 of course, the whole climate agenda is a lie fuelled by big business and bankers. Tony heller makes a mockery of them.

[@roudydog3063]

It all depends on how much tyranny you will put up with!! They do not have any right to ban anything!!

[@godfreyberry1599]

Roudy, exactly!.

[@johnssmith4005]

" YOU WILL OWN NOTHING AND YOU WILL BE HAPPY '' doesn't really sound like we are going to be able to do much in that regard

[@qwertyui90qwertyui90]

and electreic cars with computers wil ldetect who's sitting in the car, where you go and when ect: tracking you everywhere Papers please people..... classic cars will skyrocket in value

[@anonymousr1918]

Exactly.

[@deanstanley5799]

You have to fight back !

[@lilith_linda]

Remove the fancy electronics of a Tesla and program your own, 3d print metal parts for our own engines, convert them to hydrogen or wood even, they can't stop us.

[@terrybrown6057]

What you didn't mention also is.. A. Every 2nd hand part used to keep cars running is better because it's recycled to be used again. B. Kit cars... Motorsport cars, there's a HUGE industry out there. Building a kit car at home is THE most environmentally friendly car on the road regardless of the clouds it produces. 2nd hand low volume, and made by hand in a private workshop is miles more friendly than a new Tesla which brings parts from all over the world on container ships, is built in giga factories, and shipped out again on another huge ship. But people think that's the greenest car...it's not... Your current car is! Keep it... Stop swapping stuff just because it's the "new model" If you could see a car factory from inside you'd be STAGGERED what it takes to run it... Example Nissan at Sunderland... There's X3 body panel presses. Can stamp one 5000t press in bang, a roof, bang a hood, bang, bang bang... It drops every few seconds churning out panels..for scale... Just one of the machines is taller than a house, has a dozen press dies in each one. Each side of the press die weighs over a ton... To lift that die up and down take vast amounts of energy... A gear wheel in one cracked a few years ago... After 20 years use. The gear is 12ft wide not diameter but across the teeth! And theres 3 of them. Haven't even mentioned welding robots 12ft high, paint dips of hot lethal chemicals.... The list goes on and on of really huge equipment, the endless stream of trucks going in to feed the relentless line of cars... 2 cars a minute roll out the doors... And that's just Nissan... Your new car whatever it's green credentials are using fake credentials. Advertising that omits the carbon footprint it really has. Factories like this have public relations department, go on a tour

[@kinasc1575]

Spot on Terry, too many stupid people out there spending too much money on new cars thinking there going to be better, when they're not!! My car is 26 years old and I'm keeping it!!

[@jsanders100]

Shall we all stick to home build old tech smokers then? For how long? Have you seen Cuba?

[@mikemoscato2995]

@@jsanders100 beautiful cars from the 1930s thru the 1950s rolling works of modern art,todays cars almost all look alike with the exception of some muscle and sports cars!👍

[@Thinginator]

@@jsanders100 yes! Or at least put a modern engine in an old car if you’re still worried about emissions, that would still be far better than buying a new car. Cuba’s biggest problem is that they can’t get spare parts, which results in patchy repairs just to keep running.

[@superchuck3259]

@@Thinginator Cuba is a small country like England. It is easier to do electrics. But Cuba is so poor, because communism works so well, that their vehicles are more push than Petro powered. Just kidding, well sorta....

[@darrennicholls5248]

I would like to keep my 20 and half year old Peugeot 306 meridian 1.6 going, such a good reliable car and excellent in fuel economy . If it's not broken don't fix it 👍.

[@Barkevshadian]

60% of electricity generators in the US is powered by Coal, and abt 35% diesel. So yes, electric Cars will completely eliminate pollution. And of coarse, we all know how environmentally friendly producing and salvaging Lithium is.

[@caseyjones1983]

And the us Admin is ending coal

[@Barkevshadian]

@@caseyjones1983 The US admin is ending the US.

[@johncahill3644]

That is such a tired argument. The clear (and rather obvious) goal is to more towards sustainable energy generation. The weak link in the whole plan was transportation, and so that’s been handled first. Also your numbers are way wrong....60% is the number of all fossil fuels combined. Coal itself is a bit under 20%.

[@caseyjones1983]

@@johncahill3644 according to political science, I want to see an honest debate on climate change, other wise it's clear it's about control

[@russgould707]

@@johncahill3644 We already have sustainable energy. It's called oil.

[@richardsimpson3792]

Just remember, no one has actually voted for any of this.

[@captainamerica9353]

Yes, but as the world becomes more Liberal, ICE would get voted out. One question, though, is: will they leave collector vehicles alone, as being a small segment anyway, or ban all petrol vehicles? And are boats, snowmobiles, ATV's expected to go EV, also?

[@ronseal02]

Very interesting to watch and listen to your arguments. The government’s knee jerk reactions shows their inability to devise and implement public policy with a measured approach.

[@russellbergersen3296]

My biggest question is about what happens when they get totaled or wear out? I see salvage yards turning into toxic wastelands. The chemicals and metals in the batteries are far more toxic than ant oils that could leak from current vehicles. How do they plan on dealing with this? Especially metals like lithium that can ignite on contact with water. When those batteries burn, they release things that are far more toxic than car exhaust. And having worked at a junkyard, I know that the vehicles will be left out in the elements regardless of condition.

[@mar91169]

Exactly, the whole EV (scam) makes no sense, they do not mention the exploitation of children, in Africa and elsewhere, used to mine the lithium etc, nor do they mention the fireball that could ensue if one of these EV's crashed. Plus, as far as I'm aware, the batteries can not be recycled, but eh why let the truth get in the way of being able to virtue sigmal and polish ones halo!!

[@petershepherd6889]

Watched the panorama program regarding cobalt mining in Africa and the exploitation of the locals. Nice to see the nuns bought Tesla shares so they could have a say as to what's happening in Africa. Just a shame nobody at Tesla took the time to respond to their questions. Hope all you people driving electric cars took note of what is happening.

[@clonie9963]

The plan is to ban or price out private transport for the plebs and pleb uses public transport within their allowed area.

[@petershepherd6889]

@@clonie9963 I totally agree with you. Us mere mortals won't be able to buy an electric car and will be at the mercy of public transport which if you live in a rural location won't exist so you will be totally cut off. What people don't realise is it's all about control. When the government find that all the power grid is struggling under the load they will start rationing electricity so you won't be able to charge your car batteries or run your air source heat pump to warm your house. Those with petrol in their vehicles will be mobile and if you still have a gas Central heating system you will be warm. Going all electric is a big big mistake.

[@clonie9963]

@@petershepherd6889 I think the mines are owned by the Chinese and Hunter Biden is involved. That's why Joey Biden just announced US switching to electric vehicle economy... Modern government is Mafia

[@tim1polman]

I saved 4 Saabs from the scrapyard now.. (1991 900 2.1i, 1994 900ng 2.3i convertible, 1994 9000 2.3t and a 2004 9-5 2.3t running on lpg) Glad to see it was the 'right' thing to do. 😄 All of them have a sticker on the back.. "Think green, repair!, don't replace"

[@ripvanwinkle3509]

I agree with the guys who think the deadline will be extended. Look at the halfwits who made the decision and consider the facts they based it on, and let's not forget the completely inadequate supply of power to charge these things along with the fact that barely anyone is trained to maintain them. I have classis bikes but I won't be selling them in a hurry. Assuming we're still allowed to own a personal transport device, I'll take a classic over an electric vehicle any day.

[@joshuakhaos4451]

You cant point this out though, People just scream Climate change and that your killing the earth. Its so scary how many people have bought into this scam, when it tales less than 10 minutes to prove that its never going to work like how we've been told.

[@varmastiko2908]

@@joshuakhaos4451 The general public typically only believes lies - the truth is completely off the table.

[@pioneer1131]

@@joshuakhaos4451 we are slowly killing the earth, they aren't completely wrong about that. but with that said, just let us drive our damn classics.

[@superchuck3259]

@@joshuakhaos4451 When the Governments all give up Nuclear weapons and their fuel burning armies, then I will see they are serious. War is always bad for the environment. Anyone recall the Gulf wars and the burning wells and tons of dead. Heck people today don't get there is a tradeoff to everything. Even solar uses up a ton of space and costs a lot to make. Wind smashes birds on the blades! Personally I have been working to walk more to save fuel.

[@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270]

@@joshuakhaos4451 When will people like you get it into their thick heads that climate change is not some kind of scam. The science is clear, there is no longer any controversy about the issue. Man made burning of fossil fuels is causing damage to our world. End of argument.

[@geoffhalsey2184]

A lot needs to happen before EVs become a viable option for the masses, not least the generation a huge amount of extra electricity. My guess is that, that 2030 date will be put back by at least a decade.

[@hikaru9624]

I still think we would have been better off going for hydrogen over electric cars. Yes electric cars, in terms of range, have gotten better (my benchmark for electric cars is can it do 300 miles range) but then you have other things like the winter cold. We all know electrics do not like freezing temperatures and it really doesn't take much cold to cut the battery performance in half. Then of course there's the infrastructure issue that you've pointed out. Stress on our power grid and access to charging stations across the country. Not everyone lives in a town or city where charging ports are common. My nearest petrol station is 5 miles out for example! (Also to this day not everyone has mains electric but have to rely on a genny annually).

[@ThienTran-vq8kp]

There will not be any lithium left by then to take any real cars off the roads.

[@hyphensclassics]

@@hikaru9624 friend bought an electric and is already looking to get rid of it! Loved it to start, but hates it now. Too hard to travel anywhere

[@geoffhalsey2184]

@@hyphensclassics Too hard to travel anywhere, sums it up nicely.

[@bikerman6907]

"Funny" fact..... A regular wacum cleaner has a power limit of only 8-900 watt, since governments/eu want all of us to use LESS energy, but when it comes to EV,s, well, no power restriction there, cars are getting bigger and heavier... The new Nio ET7 will have batteries up to 150 000 watt!! Where is the logic!!?? Well there is no logic if you ask me!🤔

[@richardcarter1000]

Excellent video. I intended to keep and enjoy all my classics. No EV will ever get near the low level of emissions my 1963 Mini Minor I use for local/shopping trips most weeks, or the larger engined cars I use for holidays and events etc. Synthetic fuels combined with a classic car, could be the ultimate low emission transport.

[@xiaoka]

A second hand leaf powered by solar panels on your roof will. Especially since your mini has no emissions control. The yearly emission numbers shown in this video are for modern cars. Not 60s cars.

[@richardcarter1000]

@@xiaoka you'd need a lot of solar panels.

[@craiggreen4388]

There aren't enough years left for manufacturers to replace all the cars with combustion engines out there, with an EV. Petrol is here to stay.

[@samuelwyatt-haines5157]

Woohoo good news for my 1990 Mini Cooper S!!

[@theclassicvaluer6998]

Plenty of time to enjoy her out on Dartmoor Sam

[@berwhaletheavenger]

We are of course assuming that the 2030 ban actually happens. A lot can happen in politics and the economy in 8 years! E Fuels, hybrids, hydrogen etc are also part of the solution. Electric cars are AN answer, not THE answer.

[@johngreen6795]

You need to tell this to someone in government 👍

[@theclassicvaluer6998]

Thank you and more than happy to! I'm sure you know but the good people of the newly former Historic and Classic Vehicles Alliance are set up to do just that www.hcva.co.uk

[@Thinginator]

I hope the information in this video spreads. I feel like so many people misunderstand what we’re actually dealing with when it comes to electric cars and classic cars, and it’s resulting in some bad decisions which are going to absolutely suck to deal with. My car is almost 56 years old now, it’s lived through almost three normal car lifespans, and gets driven less than most modern cars. It’s totally better for the environment than a new electric. I’d hate to no longer be able to drive it :( I just hope synthetic fuels will become widely available quickly enough for the existing gas station infrastructure to adopt them.

[@pioneer1131]

what car do you have?

[@redlight3932]

A proper response to tyrany is resistance

[@shawnlayne5841]

The whole nwo crap will make sure we have nothing, we will live in pods, eat bugs n soy and be happy and all this is brought to you by satan since his boy the antichrist will be this nwos top dog to rule this dystopia at least until it's destroyed by God himself

[@howardlake6178]

I think one factor that needs exploration, is tax on EVs. The revenue from petrol and diesel is so high, it will need to be replaced. I think fuel tax pays double the cost of the NHS 😳

[@janeblogs324]

Ausfalia has combated this. There's a new per km EV tax you have to pay or you can't register unless you pay it

[@highdownmartin]

No problem. We’re now pumping350 million/week into the nhs so that means there’s no need for VED in the future. Now I’ve just got to milk the unicorns.....

[@hikaru9624]

We'll probably see an increase in tax for our electric and something to do with the efficiency of the bev and the age of the battery or something. Either way its another shit covered stick We'll get cracked over our arse.

[@jasonbrown7258]

They'll just put a meter on your car that charges you per mile.

[@JonBvideostuff]

Thank you for a well thought out proposition. As the owner of 3 classic cars... a '73 Datsun 240z (owned forever... 500 miles per year now, down from 8K), a '71 Citröen SM (again about 500 miles per year of absolute luxury) and a 1940 Fiat Topolino (actually bought because I thought it was the ideal vehicle to convert into a simple electric runabout for town, but still trying to work out how to do that!)... I am glad to be helping the environment by not adding to landfill nor adding to CO2 by the manufacture of yet another item of consumerism! I also benefit from the fact that there is no road tax due, no MOT requirement (although I do get them MOTed for my own satisfaction) and no necessity to be ULEZ compliant (I live in Central London, but actually, when tested, they are still pretty damned good!). Now well into my 70s, my main vehicle is a 15 year old Jimny... absolutely perfect, and saved our lives during 'The Beast from the East', with another potential 15 years in it. However, I am being pressurised into going electric for 'environmental' reasons... but... ... the more I dig into the details, going electric does not really seem to help the environment (yet?), from use of rare materials to batteries being shipped across the world twice, disposal and use of fossil fuels to power them. Confused!

[@dannykeeley9005]

I love those SM's, there's a gold one and a green one not too far from Warwick Ave underground station, one of them isn't yours is it?

[@JonBvideostuff]

@@dannykeeley9005 Nope... I am in Holland Park... but they are FANTASTIC!. I had one back in the early 70s but could not afford to keep it. Now 'retired' (hem hem), I bought this one about 5 years ago, and if ever we need to do a long journey will always choose the SM (We did an 8 hour journey in it and got out as if we had just driven for an hour...). I liken it to driving on a magic carpet with a Formula 1 engine (you go over speed bumps etc as if they are not there)... although it has its peculiarities... no brake pedal, just a button on the floor (like the DS), variable self-centering steering (which is actually great... easy to park then stiffens as the speed increases), LHD obviously, but the visibility is so good that it is not really a problem, although it means that my wife refuses to drive it... the fact that the rear wheels are narrower than the front takes a while to get used to when reversing... those swivelling lights are a Godsend in winter... Similarly, my 240Z is fantastic... everyone round here thinks it must be some exotic early Ferrari! Thanks for the comment...

[@dannykeeley9005]

@@JonBvideostuff wow amazing that there's less than 100 left in the country and three are within 2 miles of each other. Stunningly beautiful cars. I hope you keep it forever and leave it to one of your children (I'm available for adoption) 😄

[@jsanders100]

No I’m not confused. If only doing 500 miles you are right. Suppose someone does 30k per year though? Compare new electric with old smoker over 10 years, ice pollutes far more

[@JonBvideostuff]

@@jsanders100 Agreed, but I only do 200 to 500 miles a year in any of my classics... I really want to convert the Topolino, as a non-polluting town runabout, and I think it can be done without removing the original engine (for future authenticity), by putting an electric motor alongside the propshaft with a chain/mini gearbox (it has a ladder chassis), and using the spare tyre space for the battery. I would have a go myself, but I am a bit disabled now, and the quotes I have been getting from specialist companies are ridiculous... £25K, when I think that a motor and battery from an old G Wizz would give me 10 miles at a time at 20mph... all I need... any suggestions helpful!

[@thewatchman1078]

Really useful balanced and insightful commentary, in sharp contrast sadly but predictably with the main stream media’s awful refusal to deal with facts and detail, instead they just regurgitate the ramblings of some schoolgirl on the subject. It shows the shocking state of the media’s inability to disseminate useful information rather than just sentiment emotions and opinions.

[@Ihraell]

Well the media's inability to disseminate useful information is quite deliberate actually.

[@mescko]

@@Ihraell EXACTLY.

[@Skoda130]

Like loving classic cars isn't sentimental.

[@zypp33]

Great video, thanks! I've always said to people who accuse my 1954 car ( and me by association) of being 'ungreen' that It has only been made once in 67 years whilst they are on, maybe their 10th car, so nice to hear it here. Did the comparable emission of the Polestar v V40 include the power station output to charge it?

[@IcelanderUSer]

Even if the electricity to charge a car came from coal it would still be less emissions to run the electric car vs. one that requires gasoline.

[@petershepherd6889]

Totally agree with you,I have a classic Cortina and it's 38 years old and still got loads of life left in it. If the ECU on your 10 year old car packs up it costs more to replace than the cars worth. People we know that bought a new nissan Micra electric car 3 years ago now regret it after all the facts on electric vehicle are slowly emerging. When my 2005 Skoda packs up and is not worth fixing the Cortina may be my main mode of transport. I am 67 years old and if I last anothe 20 years I will be doing well

[@theclassicvaluer6998]

And that Cortina will bring you plenty more smiles per mile than anything modern can give you

[@jsanders100]

Just …. Tosh, in my opinion. To compare an old cortina ( I had several) to a modern electric car (I have one) is ridiculous. 40 years of technology, you need to go and drive a new car.

[@petershepherd6889]

@@jsanders100 you Waite until your nice modern electric car goes wrong or needs a new battery then you will realise that having something that can be maintained is a much better proposition and it doesn't cost the earth to do it.

[@jsanders100]

@@petershepherd6889 But it’s not going to go wrong, modern cars are super reliable. Even if it does it’s under warranty. If I have trouble after that I’ll use some of the money I saved on tax and fuel to repair it.

[@petershepherd6889]

@@jsanders100 so what happens when every one is driving electric cars.the government will soon start implementing road tax on these vehicles and when their are power cuts because the grid can not cope you won't be going anywhere. As for not going wrong you Waite and see.the salesman obviously did a good job on you.

[@Hydrogenblonde]

Bloody brilliant. It's about time this was said. If every car owner in the world went out tomorrow and swapped their existing petrol car for a new electric we would be in a much worse place than we are now. It's important to think before you act. Don't have a knee jerk reaction.

[@SaraSara-kr6sp]

Luckily not even Greta proposed we do it all tommorow, lol. “Hi Elon, Greta calling. I would like to order a billion cars for tomorrow 5pm.” 😂

[@insertnamehere5146]

This is being implemented by dogma not hard data.

[@albertolodi752]

I completely agree! The reason why of the contrast to combustion engines is not environment, but the interest of som financial and industrial group (mostly Chinese) to implement their new business model.

[@georgef1176]

I’m sorry but the thought of no combustion engines makes me sick. I have gas and oil in my veins. I drink brake cleaner daily. Cars and bikes are all I care about. It’s seriously my life.

[@theclassicvaluer6998]

Here here. Now we gotta spread the word about the true environmental cost to keep them on the road

[@IcelanderUSer]

The first step is admitting you have a problem.

[@amnril]

My classic car (modern classic), a 1993 1.9 205 GTi is fitted with a CAT and according to my MOT test station, they say it’s exhaust gasses are less harmful to the environment than your average 5yr old petrol car. Plus I do around 250 miles a year which is nothing. The road tax is quite large as it’s considered old and dirty…… no it’s not.

[@geoffclarke8934]

I hope we see these fantastic machines on the road well past 2030. You can make fast electric cars but they do not appeal to me in the slightest.

[@ToyKingWonder]

I agree Geoff. They're soul-less. Why would I buy an electric Ferrari? For a swoopy body? I can get that in a new Corvette. Electric motors are electric motors. I always say, you tthink you have a fast car? I can strap a jet engine onto a VW and blow everyone into the weeds, but I still have a VW with a jet engine strapped to it. Who cares about 0-60 when you are driving an appliance? One of my favorite cars to drive is my son's 911SC. Not nearly as fast as newer Porsches, but the sound, the shifting, the overall experience is a blast. Just because I would get a greater push off the line doesn't mean it would be a better car if it was electric.

[@IcelanderUSer]

I know, burning fuel, creating exhaust is so much more appealing. Electric cars are not comparable to strapping a jet engine to a vw. What kind of analogy is that?

[@pioneer1131]

i agree. we all know that the only way to make a car more aerodynamic is to have fins on the back lol

[@johngayder9249]

Sadly, it’s not hard to imagine a near future where rabid greeners surround and destroy any classic car they see. Kinda like the destruction of statues we have recently seen.

[@coreydoody1806]

Fantastic Video, extremely informative. I've only bought a classic car, so long live the internal combustion engine!!

[@theclassicvaluer6998]

Glad it was helpful! What did you get yourself?

[@turboslag]

There is also the environmental cost of developing and installing a new charging infrastructure, and, increasing the capacity of the power generation system to cope with demand. I was truly shocked at how much CO2 phone charging produces! Of course this is all uneccessary nonsense anyway, there is no climate emergency, not one that man can do anything about anyway!

[@CherylCold]

The ice age came about from a meteor. Thats not the natural state of the world. The ice will eventually melt, nothing to do with us. We have 4 classics and will keep them regardless.

[@SafeTrucking]

LOL. Fancy thinking that we need to clean up after ourselves....

[@sneekylinux]

I sat through a lecture with the big boss at Bath uni about data and representation and in the end, you can make data look how you want all depending on your goals, but I think one of the main goals in the UK is air pollution in cities and large towns for the present time and having old m/c's myself I don't think liquid fuel is going away any time soon in my lifetime.

[@ronnieg6358]

Better to get rid of cities then!

[@vincentl.9469]

what will happen to existing internal combustion engined cars after 2030? they will till be around. That's when it gets interesting. You cant just expect everyone to trade in for an EV-and what will happen to them?

[@jsanders100]

@@vincentl.9469 gradual reduction in use and continued changes to the fuel mix. Eventually the next generation will scrap em as relics of the past

[@robt8042]

@@jsanders100 what makes you think there will be a next generation?

[@jeffvaljean6030]

The classic car industrie is finished in this country 18 billion down the drain Khan of London has declared war on classic cars that are below 40 years old it seems London can afford to lose a couple of billion each year from the classic car industrie

[@clivegreenall309]

Thanks for presenting an alternative view to the one being pushed by governments. It needs to be taken up by the masses and the true pictures thrashed out. As it is at present, the world is being influenced by emotional rhetoric, pushed by a vocal minority. I look forward to seeing more from your channel and have subscribed.

[@theclassicvaluer6998]

Cheers Clive!

[@andyjota8906]

They will be chasing me down the road in my old bangers well after 2030 thats for sure

[@lordbenny]

Fantastic video..Giles? I just hope the powers that be see this and realise that putting everything into one EV basket is not the way to go! I just wonder what happens to the people, and there are a LOT of people, who drive 15 year old 100,000 milers that are 5th hand and cost under £1000. There will never be an EV car for them. Because most EV cars will be disposable and the tech will be obsolete soon after they hit the roads there will never be 15 year old 5th hand EV’s on the road. Also what about my kit car? Will I be treated like a classic (under 1500 miles a year), will road tax be abolished and tax put on fuel for ICE cars...sounds like a plan?

[@theclassicvaluer6998]

Cheers Andy! The HCVA are starting their work to land this message with politicians and the like, well worth joining as a member to support them if you can. If I was placing my bets I'd say two things (1) carbon neutral fuels will become common place enabling those people who're currently running petrol and diesel cars to drop the fuel into their engines with limited / no modifications required to enable the cars to run on it - essentially keeping the people's cars you talk about on the road, alternatively (2) the government brings a pay per mile road tax system that allows these people to drive but penalises them for driving an environmentally damaging vehicle - Rishi Sunak is meant to be very interested in this route. Either way I don't foresee a moment in the short term where these vehicles or any for that matter are forced from the roads. Classics have been lucky to date to avoid road tax and MoT requirements etc. The Government's rolling 40 year date defines what a classic is (mileage is irrelevant in terms of the definition) so depending how old your kit car is you may fall into that category! Electric cars are exempt from road tax as you know which makes the introduction of a pay per mile system even more likely as cars become cleaner and cleaner

[@DrRock2009]

Gov making a poor decision: what a surprise….🙄

[@davideyres955]

Nice video. Love the data driven argument. One thing you didn’t mention is the mileage loss overnight. Since few people put their cars in a garage they will be exposed to the weather. This causes extra battery drain depending on the car. So even if you don’t use the car you are contributing to emissions. Also look at the efficiency of turning by gas in to electricity. It’s not very efficient and we are not getting to a carbon neutral grid any time soon. The whole green argument is really flawed in reality and we need to work on that 1st before hacking the car industry to bits.

[@mar91169]

Well said! I could not agree with you more......

[@robt8042]

The green argument bullshit is all about building back better for THEM not for you. It’s a big lie.

[@paulbroderick8438]

The music in the background is so irritating.

[@HiroNguy]

1. Cue up Rush "Red Barchetta." 2. The way consumer electronics is designed with planned obsolescence foremost in the engineering department's assigned mission, these EVs will have far shorter lifespans than our Before Covid ICE vehicles. Couple that with a culture among the younger generations of throwing away a $2000(2021$) phone every year - or less! - and you'll see them leasing a new EV every year or two, and the old one maybe going to one other owner before it is junked before its fifth birthday. Meanwhile I'll be brewing my own fuel and still driving my Ford Panther series sedans.

[@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270]

Check out Tony Seba’s presentations on how much longer EVs will last than fossil cars. ICE powertrains have so many components and sub-systems to go wrong and are finally scrapped when a repair is more costly than the car is worth...and at a certain age and mileage you know that fixing one thing will only give you temporary reprieve before the next thing needs doing. EVs on the other hand have very few moving parts and half a dozen sub-systems. When they get old it will be worth fixing them as the chances are they will stay fixed. Average lifespan of a car varies depending on what country you’re in but lets be generous and say 15 years...easily within the life of electric motors and the electronic controls systems on the car...as for batteries, we already have batteries that have lasted over 250,000 miles and the newer LFP cells look good for a million miles and 20 years. So long as the tin worm is kept at bay then EVs will be much better long term prospects than oily old ICE.

[@HiroNguy]

@@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270 You're not accounting for planned obsolescence, something statists love. History has shown that the statist will institute programs to destroy perfectly good stuff that poor people would benefit from being affordable to prop up their Korporat $pon$or$. Eg: "Cash" for "Clunkers." And the WEF globalists want everyone to have to rent/lease everything from them anyway, so why bother designing things to last and be maintainable. BTW both my ICE cars are almost *20* years old and have yet to require even minor rebuilds of their transmissions and engines.

[@Swindonboy56]

@@HiroNguy You end up arguing with yourself there Mark. I don’t know who the ‘WEF Globalists’ are but if you are talking about companies who make cars then sure, they want to change their business models to be a recurring revenue one rather than 'sell and forget'. Now if you make something that you’re renting out it becomes an asset that you still own, so in order to get the best returns on your asset you want it to last as long as possible...so you’re going to do the opposite of ‘built in obsolescence’. This is what Tesla have in mind ultimately, Musk believes their Model 3 is designed to last for a million miles and they and others are already claiming batteries with LFP chemistries will last a million miles. That is yet to be proven but for sure, vehicles powered by electric motors and batteries will last longer without need for serious maintenance than any internal combustion engine which need constant oil changes and other TLC as they age. Probably the best thinker in this area is Tony Seba who has been proved right over and over again on his predictions of what new technologies will do kzbin.info/www/bejne/aJOWpaenjqmqfJI

[@HiroNguy]

@@Swindonboy56 TLBSDR.

[@fraa888grindr6]

In the US, our gov't has been making fuel efficiency an uphill battle by demanding more and more safety features which has increased the weight of our vehicles, so much so, that vehicles made with the most advanced, lightweight material still can't achieve the fuel efficiency of economy autos produced in the 1980s. I drive a 1964 Dodge Dart wagon w/original 170 cid slant 6 that gets 25-30 mpg. There are new cars that don't get that. My take on the next 25+ years (2050) is that combustion engine vehicles will be allowed, but expensive to own and operate for two reasons: (1) governments and (2) practice; gov't will making owning and operating petrol vehicles expensive via license and registration fees, as well as taxes. Then from practice side there will be fuel, parts, and maintenance costs which eventually will be astronomical as generations of mechanics die off and aren't commercially trained. It will boil down to only wealthy people own such cars because only they will be able to afford them. But the other side of this is people in major cities won't be able to own EVs because the grid will never be big enough to handle it, so EV autonomous public transportation will be the future for city dwellers. Eventually very few people among the masses will even know how to drive beginning in 2050. The freedom of jumping into your own vehicle and going wherever you want will no longer be part of the human experience. Freedom will be lost. Autonomy will be lost. Electric cars aren't about saving the planet, its about controlling the mobility of the masses. All except the wealthy.

[@pioneer1131]

as someone that is growing up in all of this, and as a classic car enthusiast, it breaks my heart to see this comment. it seems as if the thought of having a car with those beautiful fins on it is only a distant dream. and with the sound and general feel of a v8 under the hood, of course.

[@simongibbs2986]

Fantastic presentation many thanks!! I’ve only just got my Audi TT MK1 project car, so I intend to make the most of it!!

[@bobdobalina2931]

I can't afford to buy a new car, all of my cars are secondhand. My current car is a Mercedes w203 C180 Kompressor. I bought it for £140 with a known gearbox fault which cost me £180 to fix. I was confident buying that car because I knew that the engine has years of life left in it. If I have to buy a secondhand electric car how am I going to know that the batteries aren't knackered. It may run fine for 50 miles and then the batteries deplete rapidly. I can't fix that. What are people on a limited budget going to do?

[@presstodelete1165]

As classic cars are a leisure persuit it would make more sence to compare them with other hobby type emissions. After all if I can't tinker with and drive my car, what will I use that time for? Also, an EV has a hard barrier to entering the classic world, a full replacement battery emissions are almost the same as a complete new vehicle.

[@rockl085ter8]

It's far greener to keep your petrol or diesel car than change for an electric. Especially if you don't do huge mileage

[@cisium1184]

That ban is never going to happen.

[@theclassicvaluer6998]

Fingers crossed

[@jt92]

I'd like to see how you arrived at those numbers for emissions of using a cellphone. A good cellphone battery today is about 15Wh. Assuming you use 100% of the battery every day and charge it fully, that's 5475Wh. Add 10% losses in the charger and you're at 6Kwh of power for a whole year. 1Kwh of energy produces about 0.250Kg of CO2 in the UK. So we're talking about 1.5Kg of CO2 in a worst case scenario vs 651Kg for very modest car usage. The number you showed on screen should be 1.25Kg, not 1250Kg. That's three orders of magnitude of difference. Please make this right and add an annotation or edit mentioning that, because it's straight up wrong information.

[@chriskelsey2628]

Great video, few people think whole life costs and usually forget manufacture and disposal. Electric cars make a good headline in terms of emissions but currently not feasible for vehicles that run for longer, JCB are looking into hydrogen for example. I suppose the other thing for consideration is we have classics and daily drivers and hence is some of the 1200 miles extra miles? I.e going out to drive for the sake of driving? 😀

[@theclassicvaluer6998]

And TfL have rolled out hydrogen buses! Good point on how they're used

[@mikedstringer]

The longer term plan is surely no personal mobility, no autonomy in where you go or why, all journeys will need to be ‘approved”, probably indirectly by a social credit system and personal carbon allowance/allocation.

[@rachellegarcia5741]

HYDROGEN FUEL INJECTERS ARE THE REAL ANSWER FOR OUR ENGINES

[@howardlake6178]

Great video! A couple of years ago I bought possibly the most original Alfasud Ti in the world, and the values have gone up so much in the last few years. I think, although these EVs are almost ridiculously rapid, they will be very boring. So my prediction for classic values is they will go up steadily because people will miss the fun. Watch this space on Porsche. They ain't stupid, and they see that lack of fun as a reason to invest heavily. One sector that will keep on changing, is where we fill up. At least the douche nozzle who spends 20 minutes in the shop, will have an excuse. Charging their EV

[@huwjones5879]

I love the Alfasud, I spent most of the mid-80's to early 90's keeping them on the road. In the end there was literally nothing left to weld on most of them to and I had to admit defeat. Is yours a boot or hatch?

[@howardlake6178]

Mine is a hatch. One of the very last made in SA. It spent most of it's life in the Kalahari Dessert, and in SA they still fitted a proper 5 speed (not overdrive as on Euro car so) It....absolutely flies and I love it to bits 😂

[@dotpeat1372]

Interesting but dated, most figures are way out, EVs are massively under performing, resetting the whole picture!

[@maitlandju]

I guess the important question is how expensive will it be to have a petrol car with all the new zones increasing in out cities

[@johnwilliam1945]

You can have your car but can you afford to use it, and where can you use it the government will say.

[@maitlandju]

@@johnwilliam1945 I wonder if the classic car exemptions will stay ? as they dont have to pay for these zones

[@johnwilliam1945]

@@maitlandju With this government, I have serious doubt be classic shows only, somehow they will make us pay.

[@theclassicvaluer6998]

Agree, I can't see the classic community being exempt from things like ULEZ for too much longer

[@jeffarcher400]

All new cars are unsustainable. Once all the plastic ages and the complex electronics get gremlins they aren't worth fixing. It's just going to get worse and even the factory mechanics can't keep up. I bet nearly half of the cars don't make it ten years. My classic has outlived five plastic cars. You can't convince me that the extra smog outweighs the environmental damage of producing and scrapping five cars. As much as I love the gas engine with all its parts working in harmony it's got so many things that can wear and fail. A sustainable powerplant would be a hybrid using a smaller battery pack that's constantly recharged using a simple RV type generator. Hooked up to hub drive wheels we can convert any classic to a modern system that is light, powerful,fuel efficient,smogable and easy to repair. It will sound lame.😢 No more Braaap-papapa-Braaaap!

[@GearHeadBoris]

The fact is that electric cars have been used before and found to be impractical.

[@SafeTrucking]

LOL. Bronze will never catch on, everyone knows stone is just lying around everywhere...

[@johnnymula2305]

Everyone knows that keeping and restoring classics is far better for the environment than building new ones. Especially electric. Luckily here in America they won’t implement this new law (except for California). The one thing these lawmakers arent considering is those that can’t afford new cars. And cant afford to own used versions. If a charging system or batteries go out. What do they do? I believe classic cars and gasoline (petrol to you Brits 🤣) will be around for many decades.

[@JonDraeger]

Thank you so much for this calculation. I have been saying for years that us Classic Car owners are missing the ship on the sustainability argument. We simply cannot buy or manufacture our way out of a climate catastrophe. Replacing various equipment with cleaner, better products is important (and natural), but to be done with the knowledge that the majority of pollution comes from manufacturing and shipping new goods. So we need to fix stuff more often and demand that manufacturers get back into the habit of making things that last and/or can be reasonably fixed. It is always convenient to demonize older automobiles as it is: 1. a boondoggle for the new car industry and 2. puts the onus (and bill) for any action back onto the consumers. But as you show, not only does this not solve the problem, it is only making things much worse.

[@southney7211]

Bang on buddy. In a consumerist society suggesting they make things that last longer would be intolerable. Just had to replace the entire indicator cluster in our e91 daily bmw, because they decided an entire throw away led was better than having the option of changing a lamp. I’m talking it up now but I don’t recall having to change an indicator lamp in our 04 Skoda which we’ve owned for longer.

[@vincentl.9469]

Many older cars have to use Super unleaded..the kick in the teeth is that this is heading to £2-00 pwr litre-£9 per gallon.. Why ? why is no one complaining.?.this is a money grab..nothing to do with oil prices

[@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270]

A well considered and informative video with no element of ‘EV hating’, which is much appreciated... but there are some big omissions in your ‘hard facts and data’. I don’t know what your sources are but the fossil fuel industry, along with many traditional car OEMs fail to mention how much Co2 and other pollutants are generated to make your petrol. Remember that petrol doesn’t just appear out of the ground, it takes a huge amount of energy to pump crude oil, ship it, refine it and ship again to the petrol station. Estimates on this vary and the oil companies are shy on how much electrical energy and fuel burning is required to get gallon of petrol out of crude oil... but if for every ton of Co2 your ICE powered car produces you can add between another half and 3/4 a ton in getting it into your tank. So your numbers for in-life use are somewhat in error. You are right to point out that EVs produce more CO2 during manufacture than ICE cars, pretty much all of it being in the production of batteries. This gap is narrowing fast with mass production making battery production more efficient and of course once the battery materials are in the eco-system they will be recycled, Audi/Northvolt are already making new batteries out of old with a 97% recovery rate, Tesla/Redwood believe 99% is achievable. The other thing you fail to mention is that electricity grids get cleaner all the time with a rising renewables component, so your estimate of a 10-15 year in-life emissions between the ICE and the EV is another growing gap in favour of EVs. Latest data I have seen show that by 18,000 km of driving an EV is ‘in credit’ so to speak in terms of its environmental debt when compared to an ICE powered car. I have no problem with classic car people wanting to pursue their hobby, I had fun with a lovely MkII MX5 here in France where I live, kept it for 3 years and sold it to an enthusiast who keeps me posted on how the 22 year old is doing. The problem you will have is what people are finding in Norway now as petrol stations are closing. This year EVs are almost 100% of sales there but the ICE legacy means that still only 17% of cars on the road are EVs...even this level is causing retailers to close...but we know the margins on fuel retailing are tiny. At some point finding fuel will be a problem in the UK, though probably not until the 2030s. We all want to see the end of internal combustion which is incredibly inefficient and polluting but I hope people are able to keep these wonderful old cars going....and there is a growing business in converting them to electric...I can hear the screams now from those who get more pleasure from ‘tinkering’ than driving😝....and would use the ‘sacrilege’ response to my suggestion..Well, enjoy while you can because the ICE is a dead man walking, your descendants will have great fun tinkering with early Nissan Leaf’s and suchlike in the future.

[@ToyKingWonder]

Excellent analysis with good data. However a few comments. "Unless the government has a radical rethink..." hilarious. As if this is dictating what you can buy isn't enough. Your government, and mine, will simply tax fuel at the pump, or your registration for your dirty vehicles, to sky high rates. They will pressure insurance companies to raise their rates on your "dangerous" cars. Alternate fuels I am skeptical as well. We have all sorts of blends in the US, and some have shown to destroy gaskets, carburetors, hoses, etc. All these fuels will be taxed as well. The EU, the UK and the US have all let their governments run amok. The idea is to scare people into thinking that our environment is crashing, and we need to move to electric vehicles. Sorry, our environment is not crashing. Key, heavy polluters such as China and India will not be complying with any of this, so that is an important consideration as well. There are so many other devastating points to reckon with. Charging takes too long, and, at least in the US, we simply do not have the power grid to handle this. In California, the most Soviet in its government attitude, simply shuts down power when people are using too much. Thankfully, this does not happen often, however, our power grid is limited and brittle. So it is in other parts of our country, and other countries as well. How often do we forget to plug our phones in overnight? Same will happen to cars. The grids depend on low evening use for maintenance....now that will be gone. Try to build another power plant in places like California. What will be their answer to that? "Sorry, we are not building more. Drive less." Whenever we hear about how great a mileage these cars get, they rarely consider AC and heater use. We have blazing hot areas in our country, and bitter cold areas. Electrics have problems with both. But, hey, sorry, you just have to deal with that, right? I hate to sound like a conspiracy theorist, but let's be honest. This isn't about pollution, it's about government control. The EU has always been fine with extreme government control and high taxes. Look at the tax they foist on gas. Remember, a vacuum is always filled....when they start seeing a reduction in revenue from fuel tax, it will simply be transferred to the cost or electricity, killing the middle class and the poor. But government officials, whether in Washington DC or London, will always have their cushy cars, plenty of fuel, and everything else, because, well, they're special. Governments love the idea of controlling people. Look, they think, we can stop the movement of people by throwing a switch. All the new electric cars will continue the direction of including hardware to track and identify wherever you go. What condition they think you are in as a driver. Deciding when and where you can drive. How about automated insurance rate adjustments depending on what route you decide to take? Automatic ticketing if you exceed the speed limits. Shutting down your car if you have too many "points" on your driving record. The list of horrors continues. This isn't fantasy, I have worked my whole life in the tech industries. This stuff is being designed now. Before you scoff, California had a program where, as you drive, remote "sniffers" would analyze you tailpipe emissions, and send you a fine if non complaint. When people got wind of that, they actually complained, and that plan was rescinded, for now. This is big government, controlling how you and I live, every aspect of our lives. Look at what happens when these government windbags get together to talk about all this. They all board luxury airliners, stay at first class hotels, drive all over the hosting country, and live it up. Our own "climate specialist" Al Gore, enjoys huge SUVs with nonstop running and nonstop AC. If he really believed this BS about the environment, he wouldn't do such a thing. If all the celebrities that scream about climate change and drive their Toyota Prius 20 miles a year really cared, they would give up their mansions and live in 500 square foot economy apartments. In fact, if we really want to save the environment, why don't we shut down the movie and television industries, keeping only public information and hard news stations? And while we are at it, we shut down the sports businesses. If we are in a crisis of such proportions that we must force people into small electric cars and take such drastic measures, why are we not shutting down sports events, stadiums, and all that truly gross pollution? Nothing to do with pollution, everything to do with control.

[@generatorjohn4537]

I enjoyed your comments. I'm having a tough time accepting this transition to electric vehicles. I don't want any part of it. We were told that fossil fuels are finite and yet so is lithium. So why we going this route? These vehicles will not reduce pollution if most electric generators in the world use fossil fuel to produce the electricity to charge these vehicles. This is insane! I believe you are correct that this is going to be all about control. Thanks for your comments.

[@CherylCold]

Biden only had an 86 car convoy for the 'green' Cop26 conference.

[@williamwood1176]

'Nothing to do with pollution, everything to do with control'. 100% correct.

[@wallisparnell4464]

Many are certainly working on gas to EV conversions. Long live the Classic Car!

[@vincentl.9469]

Do you have E10 petrol in the US?

[@wardmontgomery9259]

Chinese Calender: “2040 - the Year of the Junker”

[@chriswalker4272]

Awesome presentation thank you sir 👍. I feel so much better driving about in my 47 year old Land Rover Gigi now. She is still on the road and working in woodland where I grow all my fuel to heat my house and water in the Defra approved stove. So the old Landy's actually working to help the environment and transporting carbon neutral fuel home lol🌳. I turn all my brash into BioChar which locks carbon into the soil for hundreds of years and also continues to absorb more CO2 from the atmosphere. I don't understand why every government doesn't turn all their bio-waste into BioChar. It could help solve several global problems. Help with food production, restore soil from erosion, and dramatically reduce the need for fertilizer use 😂

[@theclassicvaluer6998]

Sounds like you’ve got it all sorted Chris! Glad you enjoyed

[@robt8042]

It’s a big lie and you bought it.

[@captainamerica9353]

I can tell you that in the U.S., collector cars, trucks, ATV's and motorcycles are going insane in price. I can't speak for airplanes and boats but would guess the same for them. Even though the Biden gas prices are well over $4.00 a gallon! I've heard that younger people are pushing up prices of many of the 1970's through 90's vehicles, yet don't know any young guys who can turn a wrench. Had to show a kid at Bike Nite last year what a carburetor is! But we have similar bans coming here in 2030-35 also, you'd never know it going by prices at auctions, eBay, etc. What's pushing these bidding wars? Too many early retirements with more money than brains? Too many people paid to stay home last year? Wages going up for those few that work? Yes, some collector vehicles get shipped and displayed without being fueled, but it appears no one is worried about licensing or fuel bans / prices.

[@TR4Ajim]

Frankly I was more worried about you putting your elbow in the candle flame!😬 More to the point, while petrol may still be available to cars/motorcycles, what if a “use tax” is levied on petrol, similar to congestion tax?

[@theclassicvaluer6998]

Haha - the trade off of atmosphere and a visit to A&E. If a use tax, pay by mile system or similar is introduced it is what it is and each driver needs to make a personal choice of whether they want to pay or not ultimately

[@ToyKingWonder]

Jim, of course they will increase the price of gas. The EU has that already, and those people just love it. The big surprise will be a tax on electricity, because the government certainly will not want to lose they money they make on gas tax. So while there is less gas sold, it won't be made up for by just increasing the tax on gas, they will tax the electricity as well. Paid for, as always, by the middle class. The poor will be subsidized, the rich will not care.

[@stanleydenning]

In 2030, If I can't own and drive my 1929 Ford Model "A". Then I will drive it with a shotgun in hand. Not really, but just making a point. Right?

[@anth5122]

Driving cars for pleasure will become a thing of the past, unless you are extremely rich

[@ericlipetzky4221]

Only "connected" Inner Party Officials "might" have personal exemptions for anything like a recreational "toy". Roads will be hard to find where you could actually use it. The Global Agenda 2030 has declared the end of private property. But, you will be forced to be "happy".........or ELSE ! Besides, you won't be allowed to travel anywhere without permission of the State,& the necessary punitive Global carbon & travel taxes.

[@ericlipetzky4221]

You could fantasize driving using V.R. goggles..........if they are property of the State !

[@v1-vr-rotatev2-vy_vx31]

Toyota refuses to make electric cars. And for a very good reason. There is a Toyota hydrogen car driving around Los Angeles. It gets 1,800 miles per tank full. With an onboard hydrogen generator. Keep in mind the exhaust is H2O. This is the ultimate Way to the Future Not EVs.

[@fineclassics7239]

It's unfeasible to keep an electric car once the battery pack needs to be replaced. And they are loaded with electronic tech, so acquiring new parts for it, even two years down the line will be difficult because electronics become obsolete fairly quickly. This means no resale value either. I would venture to say that they may fill up the junkyards, but on the plus side they have good strong bodies. So I guess there will be a lot of electric vehicle bodies being equipped with ICE engines once their batteries or electronics become obsolete.

[@janeblogs324]

But Tesla etc just use common 18650 battery cells. Not rocket science to replace.

[@EVinstructor]

It’s the other way around. The batteries are outlasting the cars. There are plenty of high mileage 10 year old Leafs and Teslas out there. When the car gives up the batteries are used in static storage.

[@IcelanderUSer]

Check out early 00s hybrid Honda’s and tell me how obsolete they are. There’s an entire industry devoted to making replacement batteries. And teaching owners how to replace them at home.

[@local56]

I really doubt the 2030 or 2035 dates will happen. Not a chance of enough public charging points available and even if there was it takes to long at present to charge a car and the range when charged is woeful, so we will need massive advancements in battery range and charging times. Charging at home, people who don't have off road parking will not be able to charge at home, imagine a row of terraced houses with charging cables trailing across the pavent. Blocks of flats, same problem. Then we have the idiots who will vandalise charging points, steal charging cables for recyclable components or just damage them for fun. Then theres the massive cost of buying these electric cars, 30k for just a small city car, ridiculous and then theres the life of a battery, approximately 7 years then you will have to pay thousands to replace them. No one will want to buy a second hand electric car. Cars will become a rich persons purchase. And public transport will not get any better so how will people function. Theres no chance these rules will be in place by then, government's will do a Uturn

[@nateshoemaker2729]

Thank you thank you thank you!! I often feel like I'm the only one with a working brain when all I ever hear is how electric cars are the solution to all of our environmental problems. I don't understand how most people can't seem to see past slick marketing campaigns. I think most people just want to justify their decisions and not dig too deep for real answers. Keep up the good work!

[@johne6081]

Some people unfortunately have made a religion out of electrification. Ironically, most of these same people are anti-nuclear, which is our only hope for carbon-free, smog-free powering of the electric grid. We still need nuclear fission as a bridge technology to buy us time for nuclear fusion to come online. We are seeing the same phenomenon in the pressure to replace perfectly good natural gas appliances with electric. I get the energy efficiency argument for heat pump water heaters, clothes dryers, and space heaters, as well as for induction cooktops, but not for the cheaper and still more common electric resistance heating of these. There is a lot of energy (and carbon emissions, waste, etc.) involved in recycling old appliances and manufacturing new ones. There are also questions about leakage of refrigerant from heat pumps about the longevity of the more complex heat pump appliances. My next car probably will be electric, but I am about to prematurely scrap either of my current well-maintained, nicely-aging,very efficient gasoline cars, particularly the B5 generation 2001 VW Passat wagon/estate/variant, which is simply the best-sized, best-configured car ever offered on the North American market. If it ain't broke, don't try to fix it! My own credentials include an MS in physics and a doctorate in environmental science and engineering. I am an environmentalist, but a rational, realistic one.

[@jemimagoss8672]

Very interesting. Great job Giles

[@theclassicvaluer6998]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@denseljosephs9500]

What happened to LPG converted cars I have an old Audi v6 that I had converted it runs that clean on gas you can close the garage door and leave it running completely safe.

[@gamernaut8864]

I've also heard electric cars will have a shorter lifespan and petrol cars. The environmental impact of this shorter recycle/replacement cycle for EVs (possibly every 100,000 miles) should increase exponentially over time. Great video.

[@0ctatr0n]

Here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/h37KmGCaj9eAqsk Jump to 3:15 to hear the massive amount of miles the BYD blade battery will do. Quoted as something you could hand down to your great great great grand children.

[@michaelc.seeley4850]

Think of the classic car market and you swap in an electric motor and battery that both swap out later if you want. So you still have your collectible and you also have an EV. Like Ford’s lightning prototype. Wild.

[@EVinstructor]

I think the question about fuel supply has a few other factors. The market, supply and demand. Petrol and diesel are very low margin at the pumps. As demand drops then fuel stations will begin to become unprofitable and start to close. There will be a tipping point where the closing stations motivate more consumers to choose electric. This will cause a downward spiral of petrol station closure which could start by the middle of the decade. Ironically, this will probably end up with just filling stations on main routes selling only diesel to fuel long distance HGVs as they will be the last to electrify as battery density increases. Most manufacturers have all but stopped development of petrol and small Diesel engines and expect the 2025 Euro 7 emission targets to make the few petrol models they sell very expensive, especially compared to the falling costs of EVs. The country to watch as to where we’re going is Norway. They’re currently up to 70% of new car sales being electric with 100% expected by 2025. They are the model for the rest of us.

[@TheLRider]

Tha carbon footprint of classic cars as a sector is miniscule. Most spend their time locked up in garages so it should be easy to make the argument. 2030 deals with new car sales not second hand. I'm driving a Peugeot hybrid for my daily drive and absolutely love classic cars, always have done. The classic car industry needs to be responsible and not bury their heads in the sand else you'll just get run over. Toyota and others are already racing cars with hydrogen fuelled Internal Combustion engines and Btw you can still buy coal for your steam engine. Stop being propgandists for the oil industry. Time for change. Go on you know it makes sense.

[@chrisbaker121924]

It’s the same as when they were pushing diesel. It’s all about selling new cars.

[@derekcrymble9085]

KNOCK OFF THE CLAP A-HOLE !!!! I'M WEARING HEADPHONES ..........DAMN

[@johnfrei9057]

The manufacture of batteries for electric cars and their disposal has a significant impact on the environment. Plus, The recharging of electric cars is largely powered by coal. So someone please explain to me where the environmental benefit is?

[@hippieJOSH420]

Anything made from crude oil can be made from algae oil without the environmental impact. Biofuels made from algae oil produce 86% less emissions so it'd be like taking 86% of the combustion engines off the market without having to convert or destroy anything. You can also treat wastewater and CO2 emissions during the growing process of the algae. Plastics produced from algae oil do not produce nanoparticles when they biodegrade. There are so many other things that rely on crude oil that can be made from algae oil even cosmetics and pharmaceuticals. People don't realize that it's not just about plastic bags and cars. There are so many other internal combustion engines and so many other products that keep the oil industry moving. Every major city around the world could be producing their own fuels and byproducts while at the same time treating their wastewater and CO2 emissions. The elites do not want you to know about this and destroy their consumerism system

[@davidjones8680]

Turn the bloody music off while you are talking. Not everyone has 100% hearing.

[@andrewthompsonuk1]

I am really not convinced that electric is the best way to go. In my mind small lightweight cars that last a long time like the Honda Jazz or old Nissan Micra are probably better for the environment than any electric car.

[@JonBvideostuff]

My '48 Fiat Topolino is the way to go! Plenty of room for 2 plus dog plus luggage/shopping, yet still tiny by today's standards... 500cc's (40+ mpg?)... convertible top... RHD (because in those days Italy only made RHD cars)... what more do you want? And it raises smiles on peoples faces and thumbs on people's hands...

[@jimmyhamm6041]

Crack. GOVERMENT SHOULD GIVE AN $$$ INCENTIVE FOR TURNING IN YOUR VEHILE FOR ELECTIC. IF NOT SCREW THEM.

[@thomasbell6655]

Government moves the goal posts all the time. Your be priced off the road and banded from driving on major roads, pull fuel will be priced up and quality of fuel will be going down hill.

[@Brutaga]

Brilliant presentation... well done. Only one problem, the Government are full of muppets

[@markwilliams5654]

Your forgetting about a.i and autonomous driving and car ownership people won't own cars in the future and they will be autonomous

[@markwilliams5654]

But will you be able to buy Petrol is the biggest problem £3 £4 £10 per litre they would just use hydrogen for large vehicles

[@johnmorykwas2343]

George Orwell's '1984' had only electric vehicles.

[@allanbehn2918]

Listen. It's not the governments that should control us. We can control the government. Jesus wept.

[@andirusyn]

One thing you haven’t mentioned is the environmental cost of building the infrastructure for electrical charging for the millions who don’t have their own drives.

[@carlryan808]

Thank you for doing this video, I think you'd need hours or even a whole series to give content on why the government is making such a poor choice with regards to ICE vehicles. A blanket ban in 2030 or indeed ever is just a blunt instrument. Once electric vehicles become more economically viable than ICE and there is the infrastructure to back them up, then the consumer will naturally switch to these for the use of getting to A-B. This leaves the door open for those with classic cars and even those whom enjoy sports cars (myself included) to keep enjoying what they love and the opportunity for all those small cottage industries out there which contribute so much to the economy to keep being a going concern. everyone wins!

[@tutnallman]

The "greenest" vehicle is the one you have now- the most polluting is the next one you buy.. A dutch study backed this up. the

[@steamgent4592]

Worlds gone crazy bring back cheap leaded gas. End the Great Lie.

[@-pavski-7230]

My old man has the latest Volvo hybrid he leaves it on charge all night and on full electric mode it's dead in less than an hour !!! Also a battery has a shelf Life of probably less than ten years so as the car approaches the end of the battery life the used value will plummet now the rich bloke that bought it new won't care because he has already sold it but the poor guy that buys it second hand has bought a car that's resale value will go directly to zero if the battery fails and will have no choice but to scrap it or fork out thousands for a new battery but putting a new battery in these cars every ten years would make their carbon footprint massive What we are doing is turning cars into mobile phones by giving them a shelf life and we all know the high turnover and waste that is with those !!!

[@chargeheadsuk]

The government are bound to make it very expensive. I'm electrifying a TVR for my daily driver. Before the purists cry into their cheerios the car was modified, had 18 owners, no service history, the flappy system was broken, lastly no MOT. So fair game in my opinion. Once built I'm putting it against my TVR Griffith 500 in a few scenarios on my channel. Check it out! From what I've read by 2025 ICE cars that have no excitement will start dropping in value....

[@edwardm9227]

Tell it 👍, you've failed to factor the demand on the national grid when many people have electric cars and the wind isn't blowing like at the moment 🤔

[@jeffreybarton1297]

There was a recent leak showing that motorcycles using a combustion engine will also be for the chop in about 13 years.

[@meloccom]

Banning the sale of New ICE cars in 2030 is not a threat to the use of Classic cars, so I'm not sure the point of the video. I drive an EV for every day, 2014 Tesla Model S and have a Classic car, 1969 NSU Ro80 for the weekend. If your argument is that you wish to daily drive a classic car then your annual mileage estimate of 1200 miles starts to look inaccurate, but I think there a few daily driven Classics and perhaps it's time they stopped being driven daily. I doubt I manage even 1200 mile in my Ro80 per year. It's true that you may soon be restricted where you can drive the classic in cities, but that's generally not where Classic Car owners wish to spend most or any of their time in any case. You are right that Petrol and Diesel will be available for a long time to come before you have to go to the chemist and ask for Ligroin like Bertha Benz had to. Very long term there are and will be EV conversions for classics, but currently they are beyond most but the very wealthy. Finally, I drive an EV and purchase electricity from a retailer with 100% green energy, mainly wind power in my case, so the CO2 saving is way more than 30%. So you can act on climate and own a classic with little or no conflict, and I don't think this video really helps to demonstrate that.