The end of racism: Part 2 - with Dinesh D'Souza and Glenn Loury (1995) | THINK TANK

[@WLKwYA]

This is the best discusion I've seen in youtube, we have downgraded quite a lot, I hope one day these kind of programs resurge

[@herbertlewis8442]

Intelligence Squared. It's on You Tube

[@MrLTLB]

...you do realize that Dinesh's position in this whole conversation is so dangerous that to be quite honest the idea that we should even entertain it by having a Conversation or Discussion about anything he's saying actually gives ppl who do hold Racist & Bigoted Ideals hope that they will 1 day have the Freedom to be RACIST and Discriminate openly again. Ppl Today who are RACIST and do want to Discriminate don't do it, due to Law's and Public Judgment. But if we take away the Law's that keep them from being RACIST and Discriminating against others they will do it...they wont care if the Public Judge's because back then they did it and not 1 Racist cared about how they act or treated Black Americans. The Birmingham Bridge, The Riots in Detroit, The Bombing of the Black Baptist Church, The Burning Down of Black Wall Street, The Lynchings that we have learned of that entire Towns have Participated in, need I say more events?

[@iwishiwaswrongbutimnot517]

U do realize that u and I are free to discriminate right now. And if u don’t realize that blacks do it more than anyone else then u r not looking. U NEVER hear white people on a commercial saying “go out and support white businesses”. Never. U never hear whites who win an award saying “I dedicate this award to all my white brothers”. U don’t see a white entertainment television. U don’t see white only colleges. Black people and the left wing government have separated whites and blacks. And denying that only means u r complacent with it. Being the “oppressed” race just means when u actually do something stupid that u can blame any and everything and any and everyone who don’t look like u. So it makes the worst people in that group reliant on “racism” to continue to not take responsibility for their own actions. And we have riots to prove it.

[@jdmpieries8604]

Great example of respecting those you disagree with! Should be shown to SJWs in present day!

[@chamboyette853]

Notice how none of these people are relying on their gender or race.

[@MrLTLB]

...nope, this was a Terrible idea because then ppl who like Dinesh feel or believe what he does gives them Credibility to think the way they do. That its okay to Discriminate. That its okay to be think Racist way and then if they believe it's okay to think Racist thoughts they'll one act on those Racist thoughts...

[@MrLTLB]

@@chamboyette853 The whole conversation was about Race and Discrimination

Loury and DeSouza discussion in 2020?

[@MaxMarvelous]

plzzzzzzzz

[@fineartlifestyling]

Yes please!

[@DavidJ-iz8wl]

Now this was a debate. I consistently found myself going “good point, oh wait he had a good point to counter” lol. Very good stuff

[@FM-dm8xj]

yep, the number of X people got me, but then it was countered again.

[@josiahcrew375]

It’s Amazing. These conversations have been debated for a long time

[@shivasirons6159]

If i could start over in America i would choose to be a black American, white America is walking on eggshells and bending over backwards to accommodate minorities, schools would love to fill thier slots, employees would get wet over a qualified black American, i don't know where i,d start first, school, business, politics, maybe all 3 at once but either way i,d build a great life for myself and my family!

[@MrLTLB]

There was no Black American before so how could you choose to be something that didn't exist at the beginning of America..

[@coryCuc]

I love how the guy completely side-stepped the question as to whether he would pick up the two young black boys. That tells you all you need to know.

[@saucyjk6453]

exactly..... his face said it all, he smiled, because he knew

[@chamboyette853]

The other black guy from Boston Univ. gave a great answer however.

[@chamboyette853]

You realize that if one asks that question now the person will be accused as being a racist.

[@shivasirons6159]

I read the book, it,s great!

[@mmmckaysquad]

Basically, Glenn's issue with D'Souza isn't even that he was completely wrong, it's that he is a partisan and a provocateur, and his rhetoric is irresponsible.

[@danielanthony8373]

Love Dinesh ❤️

[@quinson93]

Here's hoping for the awakening of neo-neo-Confucianism.

[@johncastle5071]

So, the government should be involved in regulating "attitudes"? There's the elitism of the Democratic party.

[@johncastle5071]

At 25:30.

[@MrLTLB]

Attitude shouldn't be regulated...because that makes an opening for regulating aspects in our personal lives and our choices as well.

[@IngeneroPuri]

"If you asked Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn what the most serious problem facing Russia is, he would say 'The return of the Bolsheviks', and here you have two people proclaiming the return of the Bolsheviks" - it's really, really hard not to say Solzhenitsyn would have been right, now. Putin, a former KGB officer, has reinstated the Soviet political regime without the purported Soviet economics (which worked badly in the first place). This comment aged really badly.

As long as there's a Democratic party, blacks will be doing bad overall. Dems need that.

[@dingusfartacus9624]

Dinesh is right, but Glenn is more mature in his argument.

[@vanguard4065]

glenn is all bluster

[@br7451]

Excellent discussion! Glenn Loury and Christopher Edley do not address the main point of Dinesh's book, viz, the social pathology of black culture and behaviour.

[@MrLTLB]

So the book was meant to Judge Black Americans and their social pathology, black culture and how they behave...WOW. How could he write about anything that has to do with Black Americans, what is Black Culture, Social Black Practices and Behaviors in Society...because he's NOT a Black American who's lived anything that a Black American would live in America...so what evidence does he even has that qualifies him to speak about anything that has to do with Black Americans and the Black Community.

[@br7451]

​@@MrLTLB You do not need to be a black American to point out the social pathology of many black American communities, viz, unwed mothers, fatherless children, idle young men with no education or job, graffiti, vandalism, petty crime, poor education, poor employment, street crime, drugs, guns, gangs, police encounters and incarceration. BTW, this social pathology is not based on race but poor social class. Poor whites have it too as well as the poor underclass in Britain who are white and do not have the excuse of racism or the legacy of slavery. Read Thomas Sowell.

[@justmyopinion9883]

@@MrLTLB That is EXACTLY what I was thinking. An African-American wouldn't be able to write honestly about Indian life---and they shouldn't try. I think his book was a hit piece.

[@justmyopinion9883]

@@br7451 Racism/White Supremacy plays a role in ALL the negative social problems you just mentioned. Some people don't like to admit that, but it's true. I believe slavery reparations would help African-American people solve many of their social/financial problems.

[@br7451]

​@@justmyopinion9883 Explain how white supremacy makes a black teenage girl pregnant, and how racism makes black fathers run away from the mom and child. Reparations amounting to billions of dollars per year have been given for the past 60 years in the form of welfare payments, food stamps, affordable housing, rent control, unemployment insurance, affirmative action, etc with NO IMPROVEMENT since the Civil Rights Act of the 1960's. Reparations may help poor blacks of the present generation raise their standard of living somewhat, but the children (the next generation) are not taught how to succeed in life because of negative black culture. The jews have suffered much more than blacks throughout all of history, including the holocaust, and you don't hear them bitching about how hard they have had it. No, they just study and work hard and within 1 generation after the holocaust they succeed in life as professors, nobel prize laureates, doctors, lawyers, businessmen, hollywood, etc . Explain that.

[@chamboyette853]

Notice how none of these people are relying on their gender or race.

[@rabidfarmer9765]

I have never heard of an Indian dude robbing someone at gunpoint. There ya go -

[@rabidfarmer9765]

Im with the Asian guy. Sometimes you cannot see yourself. But others can really point out what you look like. LAZY IS the word that dare not say. LOL!

[@MrLTLB]

I believe you're confused here...its 1 thing when you're talking about yourself being LAZY but it's another thing to take what you are personally and suggest that everyone who comes from Asia would be the same as you...

[@rabidfarmer9765]

@@MrLTLB -one thing about Asians - they refuse to be at the bottom and will work their knuckles to the bone to attain success. Blacks on the other hand are happy where Democrats put them. Is it any wonder there is always a corner of a city where nobody else wants to live other than? You want to change people's perceptions -gotta come from specie first. Thomas Sowell describes it best.

[@FM-dm8xj]

@@MrLTLB most are.....

[@storm1086]

You let that into the building?

[@Bynming]

Thank you for your contribution, old man

[@storm1086]

@@Bynming I'm not sure how to take that.

[@fineartlifestyling]

Pre-judgements are definitely not the just or objective method to screen people based on their race. However, rational discrimination aka racial bias is based in truths where the majority ruins it for the minority. This is about personal responsibility. Every person has to try to become the best they can, the best they are able to fulfill their potential. What makes it very challenging and leads to a very difficult question is why? Why is crime so disproportionate? This can lead to some really dark things. Pandora’s box, a can of worms. Imagine there is an IQ reasoning behind this. Say we unearth a correlation between lower IQ or low intellect correlated with aggression and violence. How do we reconcile these things? It’s a scary thought. It’s a scary place to go

[@rabidfarmer9765]

I see it clearly - the Indian dude pissed in the Black dudes' cereal bowl.

[@victorioojocaliente2928]

Dinesh is a fhie coolie

[@rosannecoffman1933]

There are people I don't like. If that makes me a racist, so be it!

[@aubree01]

I used to think D'Souza was a very good source of information but after listening to these two part series of The End of Racism I have now reformed my opinion of Dinesh as a somewhat detached intellectual with an inch of two of air between his feet and the ground, if I could use that metaphorically to differentiate between someone who is grounded and someone who is highly intellectual.

[@tg9479]

This was 25 years ago.

[@john-wo4rv]

25 years ago bud things change.

[@coryCuc]

Much of what he said during this video and part I are things he says today.

[@Gettingitreal]

I like some of D Souza’s points and courage, and willingness to listen to criticism. I can understand Glenn’s seething attitude towards this non black Indian immigrant American paid to write a book about black cultural inferiority. Stay in your own lane and talk about racism in Indian culture.

[@machtnichtsseimann]

@@Gettingitreal "How" one critiques another person, another group, another tribe, matters. But the whole " stay in your own lane" isn't American, it isn't Free Speech, it belies the potency of critical thinking and pursuit of truth.

The prejudgment is based on stats you IDIOT. Did you even listen?