The End of the Garmin inReach??

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#hiking #inreach #spacex

[@michaelf2700]

Until any phone has over 2 weeks worth of battery life, Garmin/Inreach will not die anytime soon, at least not not the mini 2.

[@TheBobwatermellon]

Responding to you on my 22000mah android..we getting there 😅

[@Inkling777]

I agree. A device's usefulness doesn't any merely when there's a new alternative. The title is click bait. I'm leaving 37 second in.

[@Valaran1]

I'll believe it when I see it. Until then I rely on IRIDIUM.

[@IdRatherBeHiking]

haha ya ive seen mulitple cybertruck comment lol, believe it when it comes out

[@mausball]

It doesn't make InReach useless, it's an alternate method. Iridium has a carrier grade network and insanely high availability. It's used as life safety communication all over the world because it really is that reliable. Cell coverage is decidedly NOT that reliable, especially if it's coming from a satellite. THis makes cell coverage an OPTION, but it's not a REPLACEMENT. Big difference, especially if you understand the technical differences between the networks.

[@IdRatherBeHiking]

One of the facebook groups I posted this video in has people talking about how they've had their inreach not properly connect a few times when they pushed the SOS button. Its quite possible once more satellites go up the general cell network will cover more area than iridium. For not obviously iridium and inreach is the option to go with.

[@mausball]

@@IdRatherBeHiking That's an issue with the Garmin side, not Iridium's satellites. The Ir network is consistently shows to have better uptime and coverage than cellular. And Musk's backhaul technology is not set up to be 5 9's reliable like Iridium is. I'll trust Ir over t-mobile in space any day. I say that as an engineer who knows a lot about RF, satellite comms, and the cell network.

What do you mean? What is the difference between Iridium "zone", and starlink "cell", if they are both LEO and both cover (or would cover) 100% of the earth surface?

[@mausball]

@ Iridium was designed as a life safety system from the beginning. Cell networks never have been. The difference in reliability is at the fundamental levels.

[@mausball]

@ the software.

[@HamidRHariri]

I would still bring my Garmin just as a backup.

[@IdRatherBeHiking]

that's a good idea, satellite redundancy

[@nvtruant5994]

You are right on!!! Having no cell coverage is vital to my wildernesses experience. I can’t imagine having people trying to contact me or worse running into others talking on their phones or watching videos 😱😡. Give me peace and quiet! I’d rather have an InReach than cell service.

[@michaeldavis2524]

Almost exactly 1 year later, can you hear me now. Hello, are you there.

[@ChristianPaulPhotography]

Until something is implemented and live for use it’s not replacing anything. It’s also technology, prone to glitching and failures. My inReach was invaluable on the Uinta Highline Trail this month! Proof is in the pudding and since this SpaceX thing isn’t even out of the box yet it’s a bit premature to say the inReach has no value.

[@christianb8228]

This guy’s probably an apple fanboy

[@MikeTrieu]

Yeah, I'll believe it when I see it. Musk is infamous for promising the world and falling short on delivery.

[@Phidelux]

There are some smartphones that are waterproof and somehow shock resistant, however most of them are not, while the inReach mini 2 is IPx7 certified. Furthermore the battery time of a modern smartphone without GPS tracking is already quite limited while using GPS tracking can increase the drain of energy significantly.

[@WanderTrekker]

EE here: Garmin InReach Devices uses the Iridium Sat Network, which in my opinion is the best solution. SpaceX doesn't have a history about reliablity or anything else.

[@IdRatherBeHiking]

This is true, SpaceX doesn't have the track record yet to lean on. Time will tell what will happen

[@dijon-xx1tz]

Not to mention if an EMP were to go off soon (which God help us isn't going to happen) space x won't even be a thing. I keep mine in a faraday cage when not in use.

[@MikeTrieu]

​@@dijon-xx1tzWouldn't an EMP in LEO also take down Iridium? 🤔

[@DollyTheLlama]

I guess it's bad news for Garmin and good news for those who can't afford them. I'd love to have one, but since my hikes right now aren't for extended periods in dead zones, and I'm on fairly well kept trails, I'd have to have a freak accident for it to pay for itself. But freak accidents do happen, so I figured I'd cross my fingers waiting on the technology to improve. Apparently that's happening.

[@banjo2019]

Elon Musk sent a tweet making a promise so now we don’t need satellite rescue devices anymore? Hilarious.

[@IdRatherBeHiking]

Elon isn't the hero we thought he was. But apple has their sos online now.

[@harv83]

If you think Telus or Rogers will provide this without charging exorbitant fees, then you must not be as familiar with Canadian telecom companies

[@IdRatherBeHiking]

Oh I'm very familiure lol ya probably +$50 /month addon lol

[@BIG_FETUS]

LOL this made me laugh...yeah canada is absolutely brutal

[@brushemteeth9159]

Your wording is confusing. The way you phrased it, I thought that Garmin cancelled the inReach GPS service. Technically, the inReach remains useful, but regular cellphones will be a much cheaper option.

[@IdRatherBeHiking]

As they stated right now it will be included at no extra charge which I can only imagine will cause most people to ditch their inreach

[@mcplar1971]

@@JC-sj2pd someone didn't watch the video......

[@milenas2418]

I still use my inreach even with iPhone 14. I got no trust with them Inreach is been out for long time for reasons

[@IdRatherBeHiking]

maybe in a few years it'll be a safe solution

[@mellowmoo6747]

I would still like a satellite communicator. That’s because I’m always taking my phone out and doing things with it, whether its taking a glance at the map, or taking a photo. That means there’s always a chance that it can be lost, broken, etc. I see a lot of hikers strap their sos device to their packs, I personally loop it to my belt loop and keep it in my pocket, as there are many emergency scenarios where you might get separated from your pack.

[@IdRatherBeHiking]

This is really smart and you are 100% right. I'm actually reworking where my gear goes with the inreach being one of them and bearspray needs to be accessible in 3 seconds that is the speed of a grizzly bear charge.

[@mellowmoo6747]

@@IdRatherBeHiking luckily I don’t have to deal with grizzlies where I hike. I’ve been looking into missing hiker cases/deaths and it seems like falling and getting lost. So I’ve taken steps to make sure I stay hydrated. I feel like the only times I’ve slipped and fell anecdotally were when I was thirsty. Sometimes there is a safer route, and if something’s too challenging you should turn around. If you fall and sustain a head injury, your phone/communicator might not be able to save you. Many “gone without a trace” incidents, I often times the hikers packs are found. I’ve also seen forum posts of some hikers getting lost because they left their pack behind to use the restroom. So I was thinking of getting a chest/Fannypack so there were some essential items always on me, even when my pack is off, however I’m soooo guilty of leaving my phone in my shoulder strap when I take my pack off to eat.

[@gordonroberts3770]

The Inreach is strapped to the top of the pack because it has a "breadcrumb" tracking mode that records your movements. It won't work if it's in a pocket and can't see the sky.

[@timpdx69]

Isn't the point of remote hiking to get away from cell phones, etc.? I would prefer to still have areas I can go where my cell phone won't work! And right after I type this, you say the same thing. (of course)

[@IdRatherBeHiking]

haha, well I'd say in the next 5 years we'll have coverage worldwide so enjoy what dead zones we have left.

[@quietrevelry]

Doesn't help if you're not on T-Mobile. I doubt they'll share services.

[@IdRatherBeHiking]

not in the states ya, each country will likely get 1 provider

[@phyllisrutherford5445]

I hope it does work because the Garmin is too expensive.

[@IdRatherBeHiking]

It would be nice to not have to pay for that service anymore

[@mcplar1971]

There is a cell tower being installed around Sutton Pass for extended Highway 4 coverage. Plus do I want to pay $200 for an inreach or zoleo... Or 1800 for a brand new phone?

[@IdRatherBeHiking]

That's good to hear about the cell tower. Inreach is around $400-450 those other ones like spot are cheaper but less reliable because they arent on Iridium. The starlink system will use medium band wave lengths that work with your current phone so you dont need to buy anything new. They are launching the first satellite soon.

[@NP-th1mo]

Well I’m off today to buy an inreach device. I’m guessing your prediction hasn’t come true yet.

[@jeffkaufman1588]

As long as my cell phone cannot even get consistent coverage in town, I’ll continue using, and trusting, my Inreach for my off-the-grid adventures.

[@mikhailyaremkiv]

perhaps in a very long time gps sattelite communicators might be pushed out but its unlikely. Definitely silly to say next year they will be worthless.

[@Blackrifle47]

There is no such a things it’s gonna happen ever. What about if people doing regular camping like in Squamish valley side and they see bear and they have network available options they might wanna start calling to 911 for help in a panic mode and etc etc… I don’t want to make anything any change to my regular life but I trust my iridium network and I will rely on it no matter what I’ll continue to use my Garmin inreach and I love to have with me all the times for my hike, camping while I am back country roads.

[@IdRatherBeHiking]

give it a couple of years

[@frodelangset9790]

So, when in emergency, who do you call when you are...say in Kenya? Or Finland? Or maybe Magadanskaya Oblast in eastern Siberia? Or Mongolia? Greenland? 911?

[@IdRatherBeHiking]

Batman, the answer is always Batman

[@frodelangset9790]

@@IdRatherBeHikingI don't have his phone number, but I bet the IERCC does.

[@tw9535]

Putting all of your eggs in the Elon Musk basket is really going to work out well for you. That guy is so stable. I'll keep my Garmin.

[@donalddumb7253]

Exactly. The guy is ticking time bomb.

[@IdRatherBeHiking]

He has imploded a bit with the whole twitter thing

[@tw9535]

@@IdRatherBeHiking Even before that he already showed how nuts he is when he got mad at the cave rescue team for not wanting to use his submarine and called the guy a pedo. Not sure how _that_ didn't sound some alarm bells.

[@bcty11]

Just got a inreach. Pretty lackluster with the amount of trails it shows.

[@IdRatherBeHiking]

is that the explorer? I just have mine with me for the SOS button.

[@bcty11]

@@IdRatherBeHiking ya the explorer sadly for the price of it. Ever need someone to hike with in Vancouver Island hit me up!

[@thomasayer9987]

not sure i agree with this, too many unknowns at this time but i like the forward thinking. Annoying people will be able to bother me while im hiking, not sure how well i like that either haha Here's what i know: The garmin inreach works globally, literally anywhere you can see the sky highly including Antarctica, reliable also. The emergency satellite comm device in the iphone only supports global star which doesn't have global coverage unless apple plans to expand their coverage with starlink thru them also; if you are overseas or in middle of ocean you are sol relying on that. Iridium def does. also does that mean everyone has to switch to Tmobile? and will the satellite systems be overwhelmed when all the sudden thousands of people start using it, id bet there will be problems. I would also not expect the same transmitter in your cel phone to have a range that reaches satellites in outer space; its just not designed to do that because you'd have too much RF congestion if it were true, so you are looking at a phone upgrade at minimum to make it work. take Inreach just in case and plan on inreach being a thing for a few more years to come but i think eventually they'll get there. Starlink will be bad ass but present day, be careful which Sat network providers you choose to rely on, they are not all created equal and Iridium is hands down the best one.

[@marksmadhousemetaphysicalm2938]

Once I see it…proven…it took a while for starlink to be reliable…and it’ll have to be 100%…till then, it’s Iridium for me for hiking…sometimes I even take my HAM radio if I’m away remote camping, and want a back up to my back up…

[@TonyRueb]

I would much rather have the only way people can contact me be through a device that few people have access to.

[@SavageVoyageur]

I would never trust a cell phone over a InReach unit. Thats me, you do you.

[@waheed502]

Still waiting 😂...where is it!? It's May of 2024

[@ddff5242]

Hes "potentially" right..... however, iphones version has significanly less reliable connection and there is no ability for 2 way messaging.... in reach still has a corner on that capability....

[@TonyRueb]

"it's easy to talk to someone, especially if you're about to pass out" - umm... lies. It is easier to press the button

[@weederminb7091]

Elon musk new phone too coming out

[@hike2024]

This is misleading. It doesn't render the Garmin "useless".

[@gregoryselner7261]

No, it’s not the end of Garmin or Inreach. Will continue to use my handheld GPS.

[@filmasart]

"Useless". Ok bud. Elon makes a lot of promises that don't come to fruition. Also, when it comes to safety in the backcountry redundancy is critical and also reliability.

[@IdRatherBeHiking]

I meant to say pointless not useless. At some point every phone will have satellite connection. The question will be reliability.

[@kidvision564]

Becoming a little obsolete doesn’t mean useless - nit everyone is ready to switch to tmobile nor most people are outdoorsy

[@IdRatherBeHiking]

Agreed I used the wrong wording when making this video.

[@Stealther]

Starlink still has capacity issues and you think Inreach will be useless next year? The Algorithm should not reward people for making intentionally (I hope) stupid videos.

[@IdRatherBeHiking]

You think the algorithm is rewarding me? I've uploaded dozens of hours of unseen world class nature that gets recommended to no one.

[@GrizzlyFCD]

If you believe what Musk has to say I have ocean front property in Arizona I'd like to talk to you about.

[@Trad-Am]

Pretty naive to say something will make an inreach useless, when that tech isn't even available to test yet, and that's not taking into account battery life.

[@gordonroberts3770]

" I like to be so far out that its just me and nature, no cell phone, Im on my own - Oh? but Yes, I have a Inreach....."🤔 Sat-phones are a thing, Sat-internet is fast and reliable, they may be out of most peoples price range but somewhere right now someone is uploading video via a sat connection. And speaking of price? Now much will Elon be charging "the world" when he takes over, to use his personal cell phone service.

[@MovinOnBob]

It's obvious you don't know what you're saying.

[@IdRatherBeHiking]

I usually just roll around in a bed of onions until flowers sprout from the stars. Only at that moment will goose webbings be the garlic of my mind.

[@MovinOnBob]

@@IdRatherBeHiking ya, I can tell.

[@Syulang-nt4kj]

I wouldn't trust Starlink and mobile carriers. Iridium is a long established, reliable, predictable satcom provider, and Garmin are an established manufacturer of equipment for use in remote environments. I don't want to break my leg in the middle of the rainforest and have to rely on Optus and Elon to get help, only to find Elon is having a toddler tantrum and decided to shut down Starlink access across the entire continent because the PM tweeted something he objects to.

[@leeanderson5955]

How did Lewis and Clark explore the northwest without satellite communications? Electronics, taking the uncertainty out of adventure.

[@slayer12]

Definitely not switching my SpotX for my phone LMAO clickbait title

[@IdRatherBeHiking]

by buddy was rescued from the bush just a few months ago with his iphone 14 LMAO

[@slayer12]

@@IdRatherBeHiking good for him, Im still no doing it

[@klb6910]

So it has been a year. How is that Elon Musk Starlink access going?

[@TMS5100]

Nope.

[@TiredOfAllOfThis]

I don’t see a career in sales for this dude…

[@IdRatherBeHiking]

ok

[@lars-ove8749]

Omg so much talking but nothing to say!

[@TJackSurvival]

Man, that mike is hard to listen to. Its gain is way too high. fyi

[@IdRatherBeHiking]

Can you elaborate? I match my audio levels to that of Stephen Colbert as he has a massive team working for him. If I check youtube nerd stats (right click on the video) they actually say my video is 3.9db too quiet.

[@TJackSurvival]

@@IdRatherBeHiking If it were a ham radio Mike I’d say pull your mouth back away from the Mike. If I’m the only one noticing it then disregard me. But if you listen it doesn’t sound right.

[@TJackSurvival]

@@IdRatherBeHiking If it were a ham radio Mike I’d say pull your mouth back away from the Mike. If I’m the only one noticing it then disregard me. But if you listen it doesn’t sound right.

[@TJackSurvival]

@@IdRatherBeHiking If it were a ham radio Mike I’d say pull your mouth back away from the Mike or dial the gain down. If I’m the only one noticing it then disregard me. But if you listen it doesn’t sound right.

[@TJackSurvival]

@@IdRatherBeHiking If it were a ham radio Mike I’d say pull your mouth back away from the Mike or dial the gain down. If I’m the only one noticing it then disregard me. But if you listen it doesn’t sound right.

[@jaredwhite489]

With all due respect, maybe doing some research before making this kinda vid.

[@IdRatherBeHiking]

With due respect look at the release date of the video before commenting. Obviously, things have changed a lot since this video was released.

[@odyssey37]

Useless? When in 10 years time? You drive a car and complain you cant fly

[@lamh5265]

More hype. 20 years ago there would be a paperless society. Yes less paper is less and computer slow a** systems. Stop the hype.

[@nathanmichael5726]

Dude, what a junk video. Calling current tech useless over plans for future tech that hasn't happened yet and isn't capable. You're better than that.

[@TheSpoovy]

Elon says a lot of things; more fool you if you believe them.

[@CircumambulationMaedia]

This friend of dorithy doesn't know what he's talking about, referring to 4G and 5G as "WiFI"

[@waterfalls4540]

Counting those chickens before they hatch...