The End Of The Super Team Era

[@AMart870]

Criminally underrated channels, tooforwon and toofortoo, no BS just receipts! 💯

[@theprocessss]

Doing tricks on it lil bro. Helicopters 🚁

[@kikwabyebye]

Why do the Celtics never get credit for actually starting the super team thing? They traded for a former MVP and the best shooter in the world at the time, adding to a perennial all-star, and immediately won the chip. That's a super team no?

[@slackerofhell]

My guess is because they underachieved severely compared to Miami and KG + Ray were traded rather then being free agency moves.

[@bassmindopekukjata]

Those were FO moves, so you can't hold it against the players

[@vectory674]

Front office moves. They didn't collude like Lebron and Wade. And they were respectively 30 for both of them and 32 for Pierce. So I don't know if that counts

[@The2006Scaper]

@@slackerofhella chip is a chip man they won it all and did better than a lot of these subpar super teams nowadays

[@SI-fv7gc]

Pierce and Allen were glorified superstars, dunno why they were called superstars ever

[@ELGUAPOIV]

I think having 2 superstars is better than 3. It frees up more salary space for quality bench players.

[@ineveryuniverse3953]

Absolutely, it just makes sense for team action as well. You’d already have two of the league’s best, and sounds cliche but there’s only one ball. The superstars will at least be averaging 20+, of course taking a lot of shots and plays ran for and around them. The idea of having a third capable of or doing just about the same thing is overrated. Think about it, two of the teams mentioned in the vid are the Heat Big 3 and the Cavs Big 3. For both of those teams, the 3rd options in Bosh and Love essentially played as glorified role players capable of going off and picking things up if needed be. They only had to really play like superstars once again when the main options weren’t, either via injury or poor performance. At least that warrants it, but that third guy also takes up that cap and does ultimately mean less cap space and overall lesser quality in the role players off the bench.

[@ELGUAPOIV]

@@ineveryuniverse3953 tru

[@dominiquejones3805]

I agree

[@dominiquejones3805]

​@@ineveryuniverse3953N the Lbj system the Power Forward is forced 2 become a spot up shooter.

[@cmailloux30]

Putting 3 “superstars” together doesn’t guarantee you championship. Celtics play great defense with a strong offense, point differential gets you wins. Ball movement, not iso ball.

[@slackerofhell]

Big 3's only work if you have solid roleplayers surrounding them and to cover their weaknesses. The Suns had no defence, and if one or two of their offensive powerhouses was playing like shit they had no chance. The rest of the team was just okay or G league material. There weren't any great role players on that team that could bail them out.

[@jammiebooker6489]

That's true....and a lot of these superteams rely on players with good stats on paper (but not when it counts), are past their prime, or injury prone. Clippers hit the trifecta.

[@RonquixoteDIII]

Grayson allen is a great role player but if he’s your third best player a surprising amount of the time (above beal) you’re cooked

[@gothgrrl8711]

The cavs warriors rivalry renewed my interest in the nba and then kevin durant came and ruined the league for years. Didn't start watching again until covid hit lol

[@SI-fv7gc]

literally the same, except only got back into it last year

[@MaxPotentialGreatness]

Funny because after curry hangs it up im done watching

[@ahahpapa2023]

Ur a liar . U watched when gsw had kd. Go play in the sand . Weird takes

[@ahahpapa2023]

@@MaxPotentialGreatnesswho cares what u do with ur time?

[@MaxPotentialGreatness]

@@ahahpapa2023 your mom

[@liani5102]

Best channel in yt bro keep grinding

[@Acidknights]

I put my pops on to your videos, keep it up g

[@newnamek96]

The one thing i hate is when people say LeBron started super teams. Yes the heat was one and the cavs in 15, 16, and 17 were, too. But lets not act like super teams didn't exist before 2011. The Celtics literally had ray allen and Kevin Garnett join paul Pierce a few years before the heat. Shaq admitted that their 04 team was a superteam and yes they were old but those are all star caliber talent on one team. The tockets tried it in 97 with hakeem, drexler, and barkley and yes they were old but it still counts. The Celtics and Lakers from the 80's definitely count as both teams had 3 hall of famers. The early 70's lakers had a big 3 in wilt, west, and baylor along with Goodrich even though baylor retired before the playoffs. The 60's celtics had multiple hall of famers

[@ducknuts6146]

to kevin’s burner: where to next buddy?

[@matt-io3bg]

How do people not consider the 08 Boston Celtics a superteam they traded for kg and ray

[@toofortoo242]

The reason I didn't mention them was because the term really got popularized when the Heat Big 3 was formed

[@peetoooooo8794]

I can think of 2 reasons: 1. They were stars at the end of their prime or past it. By then, it was clear that their best years were past them. 2. It was a front office-driven move. It was a situation of multiple pieces falling together nicely with a top GM masterminding the whole thing, not the players.

[@matt-io3bg]

@@peetoooooo8794 yea the year before they all went to the Celtics where all there stats dropped since they teamed up, ray averaged 26 4 and 4 in 40 mins, still one of the top sgs in the league, kg averaged 22 13 and 4 and won dpoy as a Celtic in 08, and Paul averaged 25 5 and 4 non of them were washed that’s the worst take I’ve ever seen and of course it was a front office decision piece was wanting out since the team was ass the year before

[@matt-io3bg]

@@peetoooooo8794 you don’t think pat riley had anything to do with lebron and bosh going to Miami or bob myers with durant to golden state that’s the dumbest shit I’ve ever heard every trade in the nba is a gm move that’s literally there job

[@matt-io3bg]

People may influence the decision but it’s going to be there final decision or the owners final decision everytime

[@cenanation123456]

Big 3's dont work in today's league b/c the stars eat up the salary cap so their is no cap for role players. Lebron's salary for around 2010-2012 on the heat was 16 million dollars a year Stars today want 40-50 million and they load mange

[@brandonrojask7832]

another factor for the suns is that the stars that they did acquire don’t compliment each others play styles. A big reason these superteams do work is the way the stars play off of each other. Chris Bosh and Kevin Love were players who had to refine their games in order to make these teams succeed. For the nets a big reason they were so dominant when they did play was due to Harden becoming more of a playmaker who can still get you a bucket when needed.

[@Foreriverricky]

I don't know why the heat are always brought up as the ones who started this, when Boston succeeded with a big 3 superteam prior. The lakers with Malone and Payton too, you could even make an argument that the 06 heat team was a superteam considering the pedigree of all the players on that roster

[@toofortoo242]

I was thinking about this, and the reason I brought them up is because it was the first time players in their primes had teamed up through free agency moves. Danny Ainge trading for KG & Ray was a big moment, and that team can be considered a superteam, but they only had one championship to show for it & the term super team really got popularized when the Heat Big 3 formed

[@Foreriverricky]

@@toofortoo242 fair enough, however, to rebuttal once again we can go back further. All of the MJ championships have to be considered super teams (especially the second threepeat). The 80s Lakers and Celtics also have to be held in that regard. Super teams aren’t nothing new. I think the thing that really makes them different in the era that we have witnessed is that it’s all based on personalities whether or not these teams will succeed. And we’re seeing how these personalities really are because not only are they on the big screen, but we also see them on the little screen on our phones. The players egos* have grown as much as their salaries in the past 15 years.

[@icrashout]

WE'RE DONE WITH THE SUPER TEAMS

[@eksit101]

04 Lakers. Karl Malone, Gary Payton , Shaq & Kobe. Wasn't a super team?

[@GeronimoOoO7]

Talking that long about team construction without mentioning what Dallas is doing is borderline impressive

[@EAZYMONEYSNIPER7]

This off-season the 76ers have the rare chance of creating a big 3 while still having plenty of $ to afford a good supporting cast.

[@thecowgoesvroom672]

These three dudes play so similarly that it makes no sense to have them all on the floor simultaneously

[@farezjohnson508]

Feel like NBA executives are trying to build similar to NFL teams. Draft young exceptional talent on cheaper contracts, put some good vets around them and win early before having to pay them 25%-30% of the salary cap.

[@alectateformayor5129]

The talent is so much better now. Then even 10 years ago. And so now it's how good is your 6 and 7 guy is now

[@issamelarmi]

I was never sold on Beal. He's a solid player, nothing more

[@swandaley]

Being a Sixers fan, I'm glad we got rid of trash ass James Harden.

[@fatesandgates]

Minnesota should never have paid Rudy Gobert all that money. He does not deserve the money or those 4 DPOY trophies. It’s a shame for a guy to be 7’3 with no post moves and can’t even average 3 bpg.

[@lostinspacecamp4245]

I just want you to know that your Biggest Chokers doc shows up as Next Up on about 60% of any basketball content I watch

[@moneyman4740]

I believe you can still do it with the right pieces , Bron and Wade were top 3 players when they got together with bron being the best in the world and Bosh was top 5-6 pf in the league at that time , KD and Steph were both top 3 players with a core that won 73 games , Beal is not the same guy as he was , Book nor KD are near top 3 players , you put Jokic with another top 3 guy like Shai and give them another top 15-20 guy and see if that works , its all abt the formula , The BKN had a superteam only reason that didnt work was injuries

[@darrinharvey3384]

The last time LeBron went to the finals with the Cavs … he didn’t have Kyrie … the first time Kyrie was injured and Love was gone since the first round

[@BigBroKuma]

Idk these weren't real super teams like how can you call a team a "Superteam" but then say you dont expect them to even make it to a conference Championship? The super team era will be dead until a real superstar like a Ja Morant, Dearon Fox or Zion says "Trade me I wanna play with Wemby." That's what classifies as a Super team for me not all these teams where everybody is out of their prime or has injury issues

[@chuckplaysgames7925]

Zion?😂

[@Nightlingbolt]

Technically, the 2008 Celtics were the first true superteam (Paul Pierce, Kevin Garnett, and Ray Allen). Lebron just co-opted the model, and the concept took off from there. That said, I don't think superteams will ever truly die. Remember, only one team wins the chip every year, and who's to say we won't see a whole new superteam years down the line?

[@TBCLINQ]

Along with superteams. I think they are not worth it , because some players will get their money's worth in the bag. Because 2 stars and with added bench depth and roleplayers , is a good idea than superteams.

[@mavsfanforever7919]

"Superteam during your prime" era

[@realmusicrealartist4899]

The Celtics with KG, Paul, and Ray was the first super team why does everyone forget that.

[@ERoss338]

The first was the Boston Celtics with Allen and Garnett

[@TheRonnieaj]

You can always go farther back. Gary Payton and Karl Malone teamed up with Shaq and Kobe in 2003-2004, only to lose to the Pistons. Clearly at the end of their prime and ring chasing, but still considered superstars at the time.

[@fenderson2192]

They worked back in the day because most teams weren't that good

[@ccramit]

With the Heat, there was a heirarchy. Lebron was the star, D-Wade was the long time Heat star, and Bosh knew his place. With the Celtics, KG was the defensive big man, Pierce was the long time Celtics team star, Ray Allen was the sharpshooter, and Rondo was the distributor. The problem with a lot of super teams now is that everyone thinks they are the star and no one wants to play off the ball or defense even. They all think they are MJ or Kobe but they can't play any defense and never want to defer to someone else. Everyone is too selfish pretty much.

[@blueredlover1060]

How about Denver's team? Their entire team is basically drafted by them. They probably still have a window for the next couple of years at least.

[@fatesandgates]

LeBron didn’t want anyone challenging him at the rim anymore, so this coward initiated the first spread offense, changing the roles of Chris Bosh, Kevin Love, and AD. 2007- lost to Tim Duncan 2008- lost to KG 2009- lost to Dwight Howard 2010- lost to KG 2011-lost to Tyson Chandler 2014- lost to Tim Duncan All shot blockers who clogged the paint.

[@kedrprao]

Lebrons teams were "super" because HE WAS IN IT. Without Bron, 2010 to 2014 Miami and 2014 to 2018 Cavs are just an average NBA teams who would struggle to make playoffs. Its the King James who puts super in a team!

[@mariosuarez3411]

If so, Lebron should've stayed put in Cleveland to build his own dinasty and not seek greener pastures elsewhere.

[@dragondad4919]

I truly hope this BS era of “Superteams” is over. This was horrible for basketball

[@tmfwilly]

This is not true you can build a super team and it will work you just have to make sure that they play well together !! Yes the league is too talented for you to just pluck any two superstars and a allstar on a team and expect them to win a championship but if you grab two superstars and an allstar who’s playstyles mesh together they would still dominate todays league ex: Giannis, Luka, and Jaylen Brown

[@hangeulharmony143]

the super team didnt end its just those team who build superteam failed to build the right supporting cast.

[@ftwsam2246]

You can't pay 150 million, one player 50 million max and build around them.

[@KeezyKilo1]

The Heat and Warriors were super teams. The Cavz is up for debate. Everything after that... Seems like anybody that plays alongside LeBron James is considered a super team.

[@Zarbon000]

The Celtics have a Super Team right now. 2 All Stars welcomed 2 more All Stars to their team during the year. Now they have 4 All Stars. How is that not a super team?

[@HighWoody]

Idc bout no super team or drafted team players built through the draft as long as the entertainment and the game is good I got no problem watching.

[@Googoogagabanana]

I thought we been knowing this since the nets making the same mistake AGAIN

[@SlimbyTheSillyGoose]

new sub

[@gradyrenix4645]

Ok ...I feel you .. But atleast Bring up the yrs when he first Got in the League and made it to the Finals with the Cavs with pretty much nobody...Even Jordan had Scottie..Come on Now...Didn't even watch the entire video.. Obviously bias.. and For the Record I'm a Kobe Fan...

[@arielsmoke999]

The Cavs were not a Superteam

[@DanMarin-lf7fe]

They had dwade, drose, LeBron, i.t, Kevin Love, Shaq n a bunch of others. They definitely were, they just failed

[@josephedrictiamson]

⁠​⁠@@DanMarin-lf7fe Shaq’s corpse, Dwade wanted to go home to Miami, DRose is a journeyman when he joined the Cavs, Kevin Love still productive but not at an all star level, Ben Wallace was a shell of his old self, etc. Basically, the Cavs front office suck at building a good team surrounding Lebron. They get a bunch of has beens. Sure the Dwade, DRose, and KLove moves are his. The 1st 7 years sucked hard and he had to do most of the carry job because it was necessary to do so.

[@arielsmoke999]

@@josephedrictiamson Perfectly said.

[@tyizzle80]

Yes they were they had 3 Allstars on one team.

[@josephedrictiamson]

@@tyizzle80 if you refer to the 17-18 Cavs then most are on their last legs of their careers especially Dwade. Drose hasn’t recovered from Thibs ruining his potential (don’t do this to Jalen Brunson), and KLove is not Twolves KLove.

[@a21wat]

Because of the cap u can't build around the big 3 like miami did

[@RonnysRich]

Aren’t the Celtics rn a super team?? They got 2 Superstars, 2 All NBA level defenders, and an all star level center in the starting 5

[@recemessmer3048]

The Cavs were not a superteam 💀💀. Lebron was a superstar Kyrie was a rising star and love was a very good player. They also had a good supporting cast. Jr smith Tristan thompson

[@caseyhayward8094]

the Heat were definitely not the first superteam, there were superteams all throughout the 90s and 2000s...the Rockets with Drexler, the Lakers with Malone and Payton, and the Celtics with Garnett and Allen are good examples. the Heat were the first to do it primarily through free agency but they weren't even remotely close to the first one.

[@Youralwayswhining4367]

Actually the first super team was the Minneapolis Lakers

[@ButWholeMilkOG]

What happened? The 3 (should be 4time) current MVP of the league dosent just score 30 a night, he’s got 12 boards and 10 assists. Basketball is a TEAM game again at the highest level

[@DSPHistoricalSociety]

Kevin Love was a 28-15 machine

[@trevorwinn5012]

Carmello lost to Indiana in round 2 2013 and it wasn't close lol, the Knicks played Miami in round 1 2012

[@kylewest4044]

A Superteam could possibly still work if a team gets 3 stars who actually fit together instead of 3 of the same player like phoenix did

[@kylewest4044]

Also people use the word “Superteam” very loosely, the only real Superteams are the big 3 Celtics, the Heat, the KD warriors, and the 21’ Nets

[@golden10ful]

Chris bosh was already a lanky tall guy so going to a three point shooting dude was easier. Kevin love was more built for a center/big power forward role and lost so much weight plus Kelly olyinik pulled his arm out of socket. The lebron system ruined the dude with him loosing so much weight and playing way out of his natural role. Trying to turn him into chris bosh destroyed his career because he wasn't meant for that

[@guntitles3558]

Kevin love was Mr. Double-double

[@joeledwards5048]

Don’t speak too fast about super teams being over. A lot of the stars that are playing well now were drafted by their respective teams. Don’t be surprised when contracts are up and some of the young stars of today start joining together to make new super teams in a few years.

[@TheAwesomeninjaBrian]

the old super teams are over, the new super team are easily the boston celtics, u can’t tell me that starting 5 ain’t a super team, jb and tatum, all nba players, white and holiday all defensive players, porzingis all star, went 12-2 to get to the finals without krisraps…

[@shan8245]

Heres the thing buddy its not gonna end this is the same thing they say when kd and kyrie join the nets they say NBA is now balance but kd went to brooklyn so yeah its not gonna end

[@PuntersKonexion]

I can’t watch this when you pronounce the word three as free

[@terrancejones9305]

The Knicks never played the heat in the 2014 playoffs your thinking of the 2011-2012 season they played in the first round, and the heat won that series of course 4-1

[@showtimej2582]

2020 lakers wasn’t a superteam tho

[@jameswinslow8540]

kevin love was good not great on the cavs, you can just see by the stats and efficiency.

[@louisminati]

They didn't need him to be a stats guy tho. Just a stretch 4 since the league changed so much from Warriors. His defense in 2016 finals was the Xfactor in them winning Cleveland a ring

[@jameswinslow8540]

@@louisminati he shot 40 percent from the field, and was never known to defend well.

[@louisminati]

@@jameswinslow8540 I will agree he wants max contract type good but they definitely needed him to get the ring in 2016

[@newadarirull]

Booker is fine for me. KD is not worth the effort everybody has to make to adequate to his game and needs and all his bullshit. And Bradley Beal's contract is a joke. The Wizards are very happy it's not on them.

[@iAintNeverPullinOut]

If the Celtics win.. no. They are definitely a super team

[@simonalvarado9686]

Melo played pg and the pacers in the 2nd round in 2013 he didn’t play against Lebron and the heat he lost to the heat in the first round in 2012 not 2013 just thought you should know

[@dime1012]

Beal woudve done better in Miami or Lakers

[@jimmyconway6080]

The Cavs weren’t a SuperTeam lol

[@nerodragon8703]

Keep up the slander for Bum Durant

[@Kanyewestglazer]

In my opnion 2:20 superteam is a team that has to have the best or second best player at the time Like 16-19 Warriors 10-12 Heat or the 96-98 bulls and have high quality 2nd and 3rd options and to have quality role players 13-14 heat aint superteam cause d wade was not the same player anymore

[@dacua16]

This is a horrible video. Don’t even mention the 08 Celtics. Dude has no basketball knowledge

[@lukacostanza5793]

He was ass in the playoffs though

[@ReluctantReader]

I want to see TJ McConnell on the Knicks next year.

[@razkable]

I mean the nuggets have a super starting 5 and the celtics have a super team

[@Googoogagabanana]

U sound funny

[@shawtyeatemup1352]

I wish you stop saying "what if" WTF

[@jammiebooker6489]

Yeah, salary cap makes it challenging. You gotta grow organic and know how to spot young talent and team build to do it right. The Connely front office guy for TWolves is playing chess. Anthony Edward's is making 11M while some of these old proven chokers are making 3 times that.

[@eksit101]

No. "super teams" started in the 90's. Well, really it's always been, but free agency didn't start until Tom Chambers. After then, Barkley to the rockets, Glenn Rice joining Kobe & Shaq, ect, ect...

[@louisminati]

The Celtics started super teams (or maybe the Malone/Payton/Kobe/Shaq lakers but didnt win so people forget) I feel like Warriors shouldn't be too looped in as a super team. I know they got Iguodala and Durant, but the bulk of what made them what it was they built thru the draft.

[@Youralwayswhining4367]

Definitely the warriors were a super team kid. Nice try

[@shaunbell2023]

The first super team was the 72 Lakers, know your history

[@mateoa7675]

Stop crying about the warriors super team damn

[@kedrprao]

Super team was never a thing. Playing with couple of All stars was never an easy guaranteed ring or deep playoff run. It was ONLY prime King LeGOAT James who coasted through playoffs year in yrar out that made players believe joining other superstars would get them a ring

[@Youralwayswhining4367]

You're to young to understand wat a super team is apparently

[@shan8245]

Oh and yeah boston is the real team who start the superteam era 🤡