"The Ending of the End" Part One - Discord Is Grogar???

[@ThomasGabrielWhite]

Discord's problem is his ego, he never expects his enemies to outsmart him.

[@BBBHuey]

Especially when Tirek is one of the villains who previously outsmarted him.

[@ryancarson6962]

Thomas Gabriel White That’s absolutely no excuse, Tirek has betrayed Discord before and Chrysalis and Cozy Glow’s whole thing is deceit and manipulation, regardless of ego he had absolutely no reason to trust ANYTHING they say. They didn’t “outsmart him” he just was being an idiot. He should’ve been able to watch them without being spotted with his powers, he should’ve known that they did accomplish their mission and lied about it, but he didn’t because the plot required him to be a dumbass in that moment.

[@cindyzachielrivera373]

i think he was genuinely looking to redeem the other villains. A lot of people have been pointing out from the start that Grogar's plan was kinda not good for what he wanted to achieve. Destroy friendship with friendship? That doesn't sound logical. I bet that his intention was to try to reform the trio by showing them how friendship is good and that will help when they eventually attack canterlot but not without that base for redemption in the end, that's why he spent so much time telling them to become friends and put on an activity kinda to make them friends which was actually working, but then Chrissy flipped out and convinced the others that friendship is poison. Discord DIDN'T expected it to go this way.

[@silverletter4551]

I would prefer to think that Discord can see into the future to know exactly how Sombra, for example, would be defeated. Otherwise, Discord is a foolish creature who is willing to put all of Equestria at stake to relish in chaos.

[@killz0ne215]

@@silverletter4551 I thought the same thing, it could've been better had Discord had pre -cognative abilities. Like able to see alternative futures but not able to see exactly how it would turn out, thus keeping the concept of any actions he takes can change the future and making things less clear. (Hopefully that made sense) It would then give him an reasonable excuse to he saw that it would turn out for the better. It could add to his character and is still a good tie in with his original character basis from Star Trek as the omnipotent immortal Q....

[@PrincessKittuna]

Considering in the season seven finale Stygian himself said that he was the one who came up with the Pillars strategies I am not surprised that the Pillars had that poor of a plan with Stygian not being there.

[@OtomostheCrazy]

And since Stygian is currently powerless (no darkness to empower him), and the summons was urgent, there was no time to plan things ahead.

[@michaelwilliams3567]

PrincessKittuna Stygian or not, Tirek would GRIND them to a pulp.

[@brookerickettson4950]

Continuity !!🌈

[@dustinfreeman1451]

The same for the CMC not being there in this season finale

[@finalbraincell3023]

@@dustinfreeman1451 considering on what was happening.. i wouldn't really be surprised if they're parents/guardians/sisters would allow them to join.. i mean I wouldnt let them join the fight. Just my opinion tho

[@KairiMorin]

Discord was trying to reform the villains himself, the whole test thing was either only a back-up plan in case he failed or a lie to cover up his true end goal. I think the writers misplayed there hands with how the handled this, they should have had Discord state he was trying to reform the villains. Also, maybe Grogar should have been a creation made by Discord that went rouge on him to make the whole Sombra thing make more sense.

[@Blueflag04]

So Discord basically started all the messes

[@aria5614]

The whole Discord is Grogar reveal does feel kinda left feild.

[@michaelwilliams3567]

BlueFlag Alpha no

[@phantomslay5612]

They actually foreshadowed this throughout the whole season. I never would’ve thought so before, but looking back, doesn’t it seem kind of odd how Grogar just leaves for a long period of time and then returns back to the lair, only when Discord goes somewhere else?

[@thunderspark1536]

@@phantomslay5612 as well as the fact that he apparently couldn't sense the immense magic used by grograr

[@stevemorison3787]

DR Wolf: Spends months making theories on Grogar and his plans MLP writers: LOL Discord was Grogar this whole time DR Wolf: *gif of Sheldon Cooper throwing paperwork in the air*

[@MrConredsX]

I saw leaked emails with original premise for S9 and in it, Princesses and Discord were suppose to "ascend" as Harmony and Disharmony avatars and they would basically die. In that premise Discord organize evil villain team up and "Element of Disharmony" as Grogar because he didn't wanted to leave Equestria and leave Fluttershy behind. It was his motivation instead making Twilight confident.

[@jaedynp.a.5910]

SteveMorison how many episodes you didn’t like this season I replied to you about that question but you didn’t get it also how many episodes did you like this season

[@stevemorison3787]

Tonya Alleyne Loved the first half of season 9, the 2nd half was a disappointment

[@KairiMorin]

@@MrConredsX That was real? I thought I went insane and made that up when I heard it.

[@MrConredsX]

@@KairiMorin Its real imgur.com/0qHNEpM But you can sense why it was changed. However Discord was probably more justified in original premise since it was his life and Fluttershy at stakes

[@SleepyWhistles]

Discord: *FLY YOU FOOL* Me: eyub he broke the 4th wall at the end of the end of the end part 1. Also me: that's TLOTR reverence

[@Vengir]

Foal

[@Longma1]

No he doesn't break the fourth wall any more than the series already does. References like these, plus pop culture cameos, do not count. Pinkie is the 4th wall demolition expert here, not Discord. Discord likely got his references and stuff from in-universe books and films.

[@nataliaborys1554]

@@Longma1 I'm pretty sure Discord is capable of breaking the 4th wall as well

[@ZeroRyoko]

Discord is absolute Chaotic Neutral, he simply isn't bothered with consequences, good or bad. His belief in his own power to fix things is beyond excessive. Put simply, Discord never thinks things through, why should he, he can click his fingers and change things however he wants. Bring the villains together and teach them friendship? Why not? He simply does not, and cannot, think beyond the moment. For him, there are no consequences until there are, then he clicks his fingers and fixes it. His actions make perfect sence.

[@TheCommenterDragon]

The only thing i found disappointing about part one was the fact that Discord was Grogar all along, in my opinion they could of done a lot more with Grogar's character in the finale than that, i mean don't get wrong i'm all for a good plot twist, but i'm one of the few people who wonder how the first 2 finale episodes would of played out if they used the *real* Grogar.

[@Flufux]

The problem with Grogar I think is that he was introduced a bit too late in the game to be an effective villain to end off on. Sure, he could have worked fine as a villain in his own right had he shown up as the main antagonist of a two-parter before season 9, but for the final enemy to defeat before the show ends...I would rather have a team-up of a lot of far more personal, developed and nostalgic villains than have them get shoved aside in favour of a brand new guy who was only mentioned once before in the wholes series. Tirek, Chrysalis and Cozy Glow, especially after Fenemies and Summer Sun Setback, were just far more interesting than he was, and having reduced to mere lackeys to him would honestly have been very disappointing. Though if it was up to me, then I would have had Sombra stick around the whole season, and maybe had him be the one gathering the villains together rather than Grogar/Discord.

[@miniman649]

@Gary Matrix no way. He was introduced too late. THanos had major build-up and an entire movie to himself. 'Grogar' at best had minor roles in episodes about Chrysalis, Tirek and Cozy.

[@miniman649]

@The Joker I didn't say I supported the decision of grogar being Discord. I just said that making Grogar into a 'thanos' like threat was impossible.

[@travissmith2848]

Real use of Grogar: scene plays out much as it did as aired, they split his power, Discord intrigued by such a massive double hit of chaos magic investigates only to have the bell turned on him, he escapes and warrens the rest of Equestria, rattled by the revelation that this trio just took out two of the most powerful beings ever compounded by missing the subtle hints that mistrust was growing in Equestria still has Twilight have her doubt crisis. Heck, you could still have the justified anger at discord if it turns out he brought back Grogar as a final test then forgot about his little experiment till it blew up.

[@ryancarson6962]

miniman649 Dude Chrysalis at first only appeared in Season 2 and came out of nowhere but that didn’t stop her from being a popular villain, same with Tirek, the writers definitely had the ability to introduce Grogar and make him a final boss of sorts, they already implied some stuff that could’ve been explored more. I mean he was called “the father of monsters” implying that every monster seen from the show up until that point was his creation, and the season 8 finale pretty much confirmed that those monsters were creatures combined together with magic, they definitely could’ve done something with that if they actually put in more effort and give him an ACTUAL role instead of being a glorified plot device. Really they could’ve done something cool like a monster invasion or have Grogar combine some of the villains in his group together into one super monster to act as his enforcer. He DID have potential, it’s just that the writers didn’t utilize it at all.

[@nightinggale5881]

"Fly you Fool!" Lord of the Rings reference "Fly, my pretties!" Wizard of Oz reference

[@Longma1]

Then (pt. 2 spoiler): "What're we gonna do, Twilight??" "Same thing we do every time, Pinkie: Try to save the world!" B) (Pinkie and the Brain)

[@nightinggale5881]

@Christian Galvan Close enough

[@nightinggale5881]

@@Longma1 I know. I just didn't point that out because Dr.Wolf most likely hasn't seen the episode.

[@Venquine_R]

To be honest, I haven't seen Wizard of Oz yet, so when I saw that "fly, my pretties!" statement, I got reminded of Laverne from Hunchback of Notre Damne. At the final battle at the end of that movie, she sends flocks of pigeons out on the guards and shouts those same words.

[@nightinggale5881]

@@Venquine_R That too

[@Reis820]

Here's something to consider: Look at Discord's best friend/filter through which he'd perceive friendships, Fluttershy. What was the main complaint leveled at her? "Why does she keep learning the same lessons over and over again." This twist acts as a bit of a mirror to that; she even responded with "Could you change who you are just like that?" Food for thought.

[@setsunatenma9467]

Personally my headcannon is that since discord is a spirit of chaos he sucks at planning hence he didn't expect the trio to betray them or have the bell

[@sadlobster1]

Some people speculated that Discord is omnipotent and is thus able to foresee the end of most big events coming. As such, he KNEW everything would turn out okay; despite any bumps in the road

[@williamcrowe2576]

@@sadlobster1 When you put it that way, it's sort of like Vector Sigma in G1 Transformers.

[@sadlobster1]

@@williamcrowe2576 How do you mean

[@williamcrowe2576]

Well, think about it; both were playing both sides against each other for an almost unforeseen outcome.

[@thegrinningreaper8016]

I feel Discord thought that if he made the three villains friends then they would become better people and stop the evil acts just like how the ponies reformed himself. I still feel it's really dumb though, like I get Discords nature but this episode makes it look like he never learned anything from friendship.

[@AmanthaRM]

Finally I can share my thoughts not spoiling! At the end of The Summer Sun Setback episode, Discord said that "you're ready for whatever comes next, your magesty", and I was like "wth, he knows abt villains on the loose? No way, he would alarm Mane 6. But that sounds suspicious..." I was waiting for that episode to air officially, but when it did I didn't had time to share my thoughts, and if I would do it, it would me spoiling :/ I don't know if you said that in this video, I just clicked and wrote this comment Okay, going back to watching ^^

[@geardog24]

I'm not mad that Discord was Grogar... just very very very disappointed.

[@whiteshadow3050]

Me too

[@Blueflag04]

I dont know what to say

[@Exetior3]

After it was revealed, I was shocked and spent a minute to think if it made any sense. My conclusion was that it made sense to a certain extent

[@SunGodNika-bi2jr]

The Writers Sure Know How To Waste a Perfectly Good Villain

[@blancfan1]

@Katie Lewis No its not.

[@theironchefminotaur4425]

I was just as surprised as you were that Grogar was discord

[@Mythori]

I was actually hoping all the time that Discord knew about Grogar and the others and prepared the mane 6 to work without him because he knew he wouldn't stand a chance against Grogar. But this was a very.. discord thing to do, I guess?

[@Mordenheim]

Discord being Grogar also kind of explains why he didn't bother to bring back King Sombra again. After all, Sombra succeeded in destroying the Elements of Harmony and took over both Equestria and the Crystal Empire by himself. He was obviously too dangerous to bring back to team up with the others so the "chaotic safety net" just eliminated him from the equation. They also hinted at Discord trying to build Twilight's confidence with his fake injury in the season premier.

[@michaelwilliams3567]

Mordenheim yeah, that’s definitely what these vanilla story board directors were thinking...

[@wendykelly8332]

@@michaelwilliams3567 That's literally what we SEE tho, Grogar (discord) says that he should be an example for the rest of them, so he indeed wasn't going to bring him back.

[@imanishraf6215]

Starlight glimmer and Queen Chrysalis scene was one of the best part in the finale.

[@millabasset1710]

I wonder if Starlight and Sunset together could have beaten Chrysalis in her new form?

[@Blueflag04]

True

[@littlepipthelightbringer4197]

*Meanwhile in the Fallout: Equestria universe* The real Grogar still ruled the Equestrian Wasteland as it's Emperor with iron fists

[@bc-ls7579]

Don't you mean "iron hooves"? XD

[@grayeaglej]

Yassssssssssssss. Until BlackJack shoves a shotgun up his poop chute. O.o

[@DoraeArtDreams-Aspy]

Fun fact,Jim Miller said Discord being Grogar was the whole plan along Also can’t wait for other reviews

[@SleepyWhistles]

Yeah me too😄

[@DoraeArtDreams-Aspy]

I really want to see Misanthro’s review of the final episodes too

[@SleepyWhistles]

@@DoraeArtDreams-Aspy probably missantro review of the finale will air up soon in a few days hopefully 😄

[@DoraeArtDreams-Aspy]

How come reviewers are taking awhile to post their reviews? Is it because it was too much to take in? Still mourning the loss?

[@stevemorison3787]

Is it true they were originally going to make Discord a villain?

[@thevoidtvft.shadowcorn8788]

Tbh, even now and even though I was among those who watched the episodes when they were leaked, I'm still just completly blown away at how good of an actor Discord is. Every time I rewatch the "Grogar"-episodes, I can't help but giggle a little bit.

[@michaelwilliams3567]

The Void TV ft. Shadowcorn copy and paste having ass. What is this the 6th time I’ve seen this same comment?

[@thevoidtvft.shadowcorn8788]

Why should I make a new comment when I have the same thing to say?

[@timothybond8402]

If one thinks about it, it could be said that all the actions of the earlier Grogar scenes are reminiscent of Discord employing sith training techniques towards the application of friendship.

[@geogamr2493]

2 notes: 1. “PUT IT ON MY TAB” is the best one liner ever. 2. The ending of part 2 is very heartwarming.

[@michaelwilliams3567]

GeoJay that is an extremely snarky one liner

[@lettyfraire4664]

"Put in on my tab" is not only Starlight's best line ever, but one of the best Badass one liners of all time. And it's from a kids' show!

[@Unofficial-Name]

How was it heartwarming, did see what happened.- A concerned villain lover

[@michaelwilliams3567]

Letty Fraire badass? Cool it bub, go watch Inception and have a Sprite. You’ve got a lot to learn!

[@captainseg]

This was Infinity War for me. Think about it: Villains use a mcguffin to take down our heroes. All of our heroes are slowly failing. Equestria is falling apart. Part 2 was Endgame for me. Come one I can't be the only one who had Portals playing on my head when you saw EVERYONE helping the Mane 6

[@samuelbattershell3413]

So would The Last Problem be Far From Home?

[@captainseg]

@@samuelbattershell3413 I guess you can say that.

[@michaelwilliams3567]

S.E.G. So any other massive scale battle in a fantasy movie/show? Okay simpleton.

[@BBBHuey]

Except Thanos is revealed to be the same guy who played the Mandarin in Iron Man 3.

[@imcintyre01]

I was thinking LOTR when they were on the hills coming down. Plus Sabaton’s song “When the Winnged Hussars Arrived” Plus the Return of Christ with His army descending down the mountain. Revelations 19:11-14 “11 I saw heaven standing open and there before me was a white horse, whose rider is called Faithful and True. With justice he judges and wages war. 12 His eyes are like blazing fire, and on his head are many crowns. He has a name written on him that no one knows but he himself. 13 He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God. 14 The armies of heaven were following him, riding on white horses and dressed in fine linen, white and clean.”

[@baliyae]

I really didn't expect Discord ending up being Grogar the whole time. That was an interesting twist, to be honest.

[@killz0ne215]

What's funny is I briefly thought of that similar thing early on, except that Grogar was actually Discord... as in Grogar was his true form not Discord....

[@gay.cannibal]

It was an interesting twist but I was disappointed in Discord tbh.

[@thebeavpercabethftw9604]

Discord being Grogar would explain Sombra's goofy new personality. Also, Grogar was a real tyrant. He's just been dead this whole time. I'm guessing the skull they made their lair was Grogar's head.

[@littlepipthelightbringer4197]

Nope,He is banished to the Fallout: Equestria universe by Gusty the Great And he is currently ruling the Equestrian Wasteland as it's Emperor

[@thebeavpercabethftw9604]

@Ali Mirzaei. I'll give you that. Maybe Brony Notion was right all along and Grogar is still stuck in the stars waiting to enact his revenge. But considering his magic was most likely dispersed after that Rainbow Blast, he'd need to find another way to do it.

[@TheSecondPlace]

You know i am okay with discord bieng grogar but .... I hate the motive I would rather have discord wanted the villains to learn about friendship But he taught them in his own discord way

[@michaelwilliams3567]

galaxycatt 199 because they definitely didn’t hype up Grogar for the length of an entire season. Something they’ve never done before! Just to hash it out 3 minutes into the finale. At least pull the twist near the middle for Christ’s sake!

[@thunderspark1536]

Same here

[@MaddieTheAbsolusteBaddie]

Same

[@ThePogonling]

Episode: *Reveals that Discord was Grogar* Me: Welp there goes Notion's headcannon 😅

[@starsoldchannel8759]

ME TOO XDDD

[@brolytriplethreat]

Which one?

[@starsoldchannel8759]

@@brolytriplethreat He thought that Grogar or Starswirl MADE Discord, welp that sure was a waste

[@brolytriplethreat]

@@starsoldchannel8759 actually, his third theory in the video he made was that it was a ying yang kind of thing. Personally, that one seemed the most likely, though I personally thing he has existed way longer

[@darkalicornkingdoom3572]

The begining of the end when discord prentend to be injured by sombra, that was the firts hint

[@BBBHuey]

That was a hint???!?

[@ryancarson6962]

DarkAlicornKingDoom How is that a hint that Discord was Grogar? No seriously, answer the question. While that could be considered foreshadowing for his stated goal of bolstering Twilight’s confidence that is NOT foreshadowing for him being Grogar.

[@wendykelly8332]

@@ryancarson6962 Yup, the foreshadowing is him saying "You might be ready for what's to come" since he was going to let the villains do their attack.

[@pineapplefishy758]

@Wendy Kelly wrong episode that was in "the summer sun setback"

[@darkalicornkingdoom3572]

@@ryancarson6962 duh, discord pretend to be injured so twilight and the others defeats sombra on his own and boost their confidence,then he does a tantrum when celestia is not gonna be new ruler yet about the effort he put on that performance, all that put a new perperspective when you knew he was grogar

[@deadshotcalamity8267]

The whole discord is Grogar was a little upsetting. But after awhile i kinda just accepted it.

[@theheroneededwillette6964]

Discord did say he was acting as a safety net during the sombra thing.

[@ryancarson6962]

Theheroneeded Willette So Sombra conquering the Crystal Empire, taking Flurry Heart hostage and turning ponies into warrior slaves was him acting as a safety net? Yeah tell that to the Tree of Harmony.

[@theheroneededwillette6964]

Ryan Carson well he knew the mane six would be able to handle most of that and some parts were unforeseen. He was just going to step in at the last second if some pony was about to actually die. Not saying that what he did was right. Plus the other ponies clearly express that it was, in general, a very stupid idea.

[@privateinvestigatorrick7406]

Discord pulls a Ben Kingsley _"Oh Grogar...he's not real..I'm just an actor"_

[@lazlow8788]

I was totally shocked and a little disappointed that Grogar was Discord all along. I was a bit peeved that he did what he did but I supposed he had good intentions for bringing the villains together. The Battle with Starlight and Chrysalis was my favorite part. This was an awesome beginning to the final battle to come.

[@robertmolnar8543]

Your forgetting that they dont have Stygian with them he was the pillars strategist

[@Mysticgamer]

I wonder where he was?

[@iloveowls90]

Yeah your right

[@BBBHuey]

Lol! The Pillars are a bunch of frauds! xD Stygian was the REAL hero behind them all!

[@johannesseyfried7933]

@@BBBHuey Well, the best Plan is worth nothing, if you don't have the necessary Abilities to make it happen.

[@BBBHuey]

@@johannesseyfried7933 And Abilities with no Plan are utterly worthless ^^

[@PrincessTwilightSparkle]

I was frustrated to learn Grogar was actually Discord the whole time without seeing the real Grogar showing up, but I've came to accept the fact that what Discord's beeing doing so far; he was also like a "teacher" to Twilight (me) by his Discord way, lol.

[@lettyfraire4664]

"Fly my pretties!"- The Wicked Fluttershy of the West. "Fly, you foal!"- Discord the Grey. "You didn't make an apointment!"- Awesome Glimmy. "Put it on my tab."- Badass Glimmy.

[@spikesmolderfan9383]

When I saw the Grogar twist my mind went immediately to 2 key scenes of S9 episodes. Those were Ep2 when Twilight said before confronting Sombra *I don't know what we do without you* to Discord & he puts this guilty/shamed face, the second one Ep 17 when he says *looks like you might be ready for what comes next your majesty* Well played writers, well played!😉 Also was happy for Spike in his new post, he has been alongside Twilight this whole time helping her. 😀👍

[@ryancarson6962]

SpikeSmolder fan I’m pretty sure that face was a look of concern because he wanted Twilight to be self reliant and not depend on him to fix her problems. Either way I still think this twist was pretty stupid.

[@kingsfall1943]

SpikeSmolder fan by well played you mean lazy?

[@kingsfall1943]

SpikeSmolder fan right?

[@spikesmolderfan9383]

@@kingsfall1943 I personally liked it, still pretty callous of him doing the whole Grogar behind everyone's backs though. I know this got people divided for how it played out but I liked it so please respect that. Also don't send out death threats to the cast & crew please, that's scummy.

[@littlepipthelightbringer4197]

Doc,the real Grogar is in the Fallout: Equestria universe He is ruling the Equestrian Wasteland as it's Emperor with iron fists Sincerely Littlepip from Stable 2

[@gokuandmario4ever]

I wasn't surprised at all. It was a very "Discord" thing to do.

[@timemonkey]

I got a huge laugh from the Grogar/Discord reveal. I'd picked up a lot of the clues and figured Discord knew what was going on with the villains and had something big planned but finding out he set the whole thing up the whole time was a great twist. Re: Discord endangering people with Sombra. I cut him slack here because he seemed to be keeping an eye on what Sombra was doing the whole time and was ready to interfere if things went too far off the rails. He even refered to himself as a safety net. Even with the three villains working together if things had gone as planned there would have been no real risk of losing since Discord would be able to step in whenever needed. Unfortunately he got overconfident and didn't consider that they'd get the bell and not tell him.

[@jf_kein_k8590]

Honestly, Discord thought this plan out with best intentions but was not thinking it completely through...similar to the apple monster in "The Big Mac Question".

[@greenstarlover1]

Two things: 1) putting much emphasis on the "end" in the title there, heh hasbro. 2) goddamnit discord.

[@imcintyre01]

Discord (writing in his daily planner): Alright, it seems that this is the final season so let’s start off with the return of a bad guy. Twighlight will do great then I’ll interject the rest of the bad guys in the middle. She’s gonna be fine and depend slightly more on her friends, then I let her have the last biggest problem. I’ll cap it off with the big bad Grogar. Within the first 2 episodes twilight and gang: *PLEASE SOLVE THIS FOR US DISCORD!* Discord (wearing his military uniform that night walks into the bunker filled with other Discord soldiers): Gentlemen! There’s been a change of plans! It seems the princess still isn’t ready for operation Grogar Going Down. So we’re going to have to spend the rest of the season preparing her for the baddies. Looks like we’re going to have to save that one for the comics. On the plus side, it should have more action and better pacing.

[@RE-ol5ws]

Talk about a total face hoof. Not the episode, but making Discord Grogar.

[@ucnguyenmanh1479]

It might be better if Twilight take her friends and leave Discord to be killed by the villain.

[@michaelwilliams3567]

Đức Nguyễn Mạnh 💀

[@jacktheflash8478]

Đức Nguyễn Mạnh that is incredibly stupid

[@jacktheflash8478]

Red Elastic 98 well when you think about the whole thing they definitely put some clues down

[@ucnguyenmanh1479]

@@jacktheflash8478 Why is it stupid?

[@taddad2641]

honestly this is probably in line with Discord's ego and mentality even now. His development is that he has chosen to be a supporter of twilight, to test and empower his friend. He probably knew the tree of harmony would survive. The tree already proven to be too adaptable, too powerful to be bested by such a weak being. Yea he is callous in many ways and isn't above endangering ponies, but at the same time he feels he is more than capable of saving everyone. He thinks he is the safety net of equestria, and has grown to actually give a damn about its general well being. But he still wants to be a loki type character, even if he is a positive loki in this regard. He probably had no intention whatsoever to reveal his part after the corrination. Not for a few years when he probably planned on revealing it to everyone in a smug but satisfied way. Basically discord's ego and chaotic nature has changed but in a weird direciton. He can't make himself not a mastermind, so he has applied his chaotic ways towards empowering Friendship, twilight and her friends. Maybe he feels that is the best way for chaos to serve harmony. IT can't work beside it, but it can feed it. Provide it challenge to nourish it, help it flourish and grow.......

[@heathersky333]

Shout out to rarity for saving twilight at the last moment by tossing that boulder to the villains, one of the mvps in this episode which got overshadowed by the grogar-discord reveal

[@reithegoat6453]

I think this story could have been told a lot better if this whole plan of discord’s was to actually try and redeem the villains by giving them a second chance like how he got one. Discord was redeemed because he made friends and for villains making friends with other villains would be a great start, we all saw how they started to change a little but quickly discarded the idea of friendship so they could focus on revenge.

[@whitehorseproduction3971]

That was surely the bigest twist in the entire show! They realy did the most suprising final, I was shoked. Like you, I never expected that Discord was Grogar, but now looking back... it makes a lot of sence! And even tho this plan seemed good to him, Discord's plans almost always go wrong. And Chrysalis, Tirek and Cozy were very sucesful in the atack (and I love Chrysalis and Cozy's royal forms). That battle just gave me chills! Lets just say that this episode was one where everything went teribly wrong for our heroes.

[@Konsker]

love all the characters appearing in the final battle in part 2

[@Peekofwar]

At first I thought "there's a second draconequus?" But then I realized if that was the case, he wouldn't look exactly like Discord.

[@BugsyFoga]

In a way it does make sense that Grogar was actually Discord , I mean it was pretty odd that after all these years why is Grogar suddenly now coming back .

[@ryancarson6962]

Nathaniel Foga Dude that can be said for literally every villain, this show uses 1000 years a LOT. And he said he was weak and bidding his time which makes sense, Tirek did the same when he escaped Tartarus during the events of season 2, for context he escaped when the guard dog Cerberus got out and that was in season 2 so that isn’t unbelievable at all really.

[@kingsfall1943]

Ryan Carson thank you Ryan Clark for educating this dingbat!

[@Depths17]

that's what I thought but you got all these different creatures who live for thousands of years or are pretty much immortal so it doesn't seem impossible

[@oakenshadow6763]

This was such a fin epesode! Absolutely loved it! Saw the same flaws, but it was still so good!

[@jarosawknas8947]

Starlight...this fight was great and is nice to see how her character changes over time. A new Chrysalis looks, a Cozy Glow as an adult alicorn was really fantastic. And I think that we might see Grogar someday or in some movie.

[@mathewwatson-FireGem21]

Who knows He says the real grogar's magic is in that bell so doesn't that mean that the REAL Grogar is still out there somewhere in equestria? Well whenever he decides to show his face the ponies will be ready to take him on! But i always knew something was up whenever i didn't see grogar and discord in the same place at the same time! It all makes sense

[@novembermann4854]

It was Confirmed by Jim Miller the Director of the show that the Grogar real is still out there somewhere

[@mathewwatson-FireGem21]

@@novembermann4854 who knows what that ram is doing he might be getting more powerful!

[@mathewwatson-FireGem21]

@Green Jedi Grogar is the most dangerous being in all of equestrian history

[@novembermann4854]

@@mathewwatson-FireGem21 his bell was supposedly Destroyed by Friendship I'm guessing (since it cracked) but he is still out there probably and since Jim Miller has confirmed he is indeed still out there then he could very well return someday

[@mathewwatson-FireGem21]

@Green Jedi but who knows he may return with a long vengeance

[@GreycatRademenes]

I just wish we'd gotten more of Chaos Princess Cozy X3>

[@roughwoof]

*I FORGET that I am watching a kids tv show. This episode was AMAZING!*

[@kaneaquino8295]

The villains said they couldn't use Discord's magic... Even though in the Season 4 finale, we clearly saw Tirek devour Discord's magic with no problem afterwards.

[@batwave27]

I think Silver Quill said it best when he said that Tirek had absorbed the raw energy of his power rather than take on the abilities of said power

[@Blueflag04]

So much for building up the hype around Grogar , only to reveal him being Discord

[@jaiden5941]

Suddenly, Discord's moment with Doctor Wolf takes on a different meaning... Ah, how remarkable yet vexing continuity can be!

[@moxxiedemongamer3019]

part 1 of the Season 9 finale was truly EPIC

[@imcintyre01]

I have to say, when grogar turned into discord my first thought was. “Grogar is Discord’s Father!...no wait! One of his race! No wait.....maybe it’s just Discord....(next episode) oh yeah. That’s DEFINITELY Discord.

[@SprinY_]

I mean even reformed villains needs some little fun being evil again.

[@samuelhellewell2880]

One quote I think is important here is when discord says “you had a pretty good looking safety net” He did this because he believed that there was little risk. After all, we see in the premier that Sombra couldn’t do anything to him, so why should he expect disfrently with the other 3? If the mane 6 couldn’t beat them, he could just fix everything no problems asked. He just let that idea to much to his head so he ended up in a situation where that was NOT the case

[@FreshZCORD]

Yeah he just was arrogant and didnt think things through but he meant well

[@samuelhellewell2880]

@@FreshZCORDyeah

[@nhansen197]

Discord's actions, and his admission that he did it just because that's the way he is, suggests to me that Discord is responsible in some way for every major action/disaster in Equestria. We never did find out how Tirek got out of Tartarus and who was it that made it possible for Cozyglow to write to Tirek?

[@FlutterRoze]

I THOIGHT IT WAS SOOOOOOO CLEVER I WAS SOOOO IMPRESSED!! AND SHOCKED! LIKE OH MY GOODNESS!!!! DISCORD AS GROGAR! I DID NOT SEE THAT COMING!

[@brianlevine871]

For the most part, I enjoyed this episode. It was great seeing many characters preparing for the invasion by either getting to safety, or preparing for battle. I especially enjoyed seeing the villain trio obtain their new powers, Starlight dealing with Chrysalis, and the Mane 6 battling against Cozy Glow. The Pillars, though, surly could've done more. As for the twist of Grogar being Discord in disguise, I'm perplexed about it. On one hoof, I like how they demonstrated that Discord's method of boosting Twilight's confidence won't always work. It helps that everyone called him out on his actions, especially with Celestia. Plus, it allowed Twilight to reflect on her past accomplishments, thus making her plans in defeating the villains all the more exciting. But on the other hoof, this feels like a wasted opportunity. Now I haven't seen the G1 episode that featured Grogar, but I'm aware of what the character is and that he's had his fair share of fans. So considering the buildup they had for this new take on Grogar, not to mention the fact that they already revived another beloved G1 villain (Tirek), having this twist feels like a slap in the face. Also, if they used the real Grogar in this season, maybe they could've established that Cozy Glow was his creation or something along those lines, thus giving her a reason for being so evil and having Grogar pose as a genuine threat to present-day Equestria. That's just my thoughts.

[@nightshroud9671]

I wished Luna got to do more too honestly.

[@sanugi16]

I honestly thought discord action was going to be way different, such thought was that he was going to gather the villains, gain their trust to get the bell to use it against them, so that twilight can rule the land in true peace...... Nope that wasn't the case at ALL! XD oh Discord (Background crowd laughter)

[@WorldWeave]

If you look back at Grogar’s lines...they make sense once you know. (Don’t worry, he gets properly chewed out about it)

[@alliesoapway1076]

Discord's ego sort of makes him gullible in a way

[@digitalvick]

Dont forget about the part where discord had to get back to canterlot on hoof/claw/paw, that part was hilarious

[@gregf8918]

In a senses, it made my own head cannon true. Well mostly you see In mine Grogar became Discord as a backfire of his own magic. In Dicord's defense he is a trickster and he was trying to help. But Tirek going causes about Chaos making him loose control.

[@danielrhouck]

I saw the title of this early, and for the couple villain-centric episodes I imagined Grogar thinking that them getting along was all according to plan. Until he came and confessed and apparently them allying with each other against him *wasn't* part of the plan. Even with a big spoiler, I didn't see it coming.

[@gilbertobenites4215]

I actually almost saw the twist coming. But what I had in mind, it was someone else. It was a character named Isaacus Maximus, who originally was going to be Starlight's long lost older brother. Even with the backstory, I was so close. What ended up happening was, my prediction is now split in two. Isaacus' backstory became the character Spinel is, and the twist is now over to Discord. In a way, my original predictions/ideas are becoming more than anyone ever was. Maybe I might be on something.

[@Jackie-McCann]

I was honestly a bit ticked off at that reveal. For two reasons: 1.) It felt like an insult to the character of Grogar. Fans were so excited to hear another G1 villain, arguably one of the most memorable ones next to Tirek, was going to be the final Big Bad of the series. But then for the writers to just go “LOL SIKE GROGAR WAS DISCORD ALL ALONG!”? They did Grogar dirty. 2.) Discord has made some... questionable decisions in the past to try to be a Trickster Mentor to Twilight, but this was by far, the DUMBEST thing he’s ever done! Like you said, it was a callous and dangerous plan, and it’s an insult to his character development!

[@jaedynp.a.5910]

Jackie McCann and he didn’t even get a punishment

[@thadmaster7]

1). I'm not to upset seeing as grogar was barely freaking uses throughout the season 2). I understand wha I discord was trying to do

[@jaedynp.a.5910]

thadmaster 7 it doesn’t excuse discord for what he did you don’t put everyone in danger fir a stupid test

[@Nazo-kage]

The funny thing is it still works for Discord’s character with what he did. Because he even says if they couldn’t handle it he would’ve stepped in and stopped it. So yes it was callous of him, but to him it would be fine because he would be there Safetynet he never expected the three to turn on him but that has always been an issue he’d had. I do kind of wonder if the whole discord be in a dungeon master in Ogres & Oogliets what’s a bit of subtle foreshadowing. I mean he essentially was making “campaigns” for Twilight.

[@maxhatterschannel5140]

Am I the only one that saw the grogar thing coming ? Discord being careless And short sided And to overconfident And VERY powerful And how he reacts to Celestia giving Twilight her titel

[@FreshZCORD]

I had a idea that he might be grogar to keep villains out of the way and have them sparingly around to use if twilight lose her confidence again. What actually happened was a Lil different id say but similar

[@maxhatterschannel5140]

@@FreshZCORD Yeah man 👍

[@natalieeuley1734]

I personally always thought it was weird how it seemed like Discord never got involved with anything regarding Grogar. After all, it was like, Discord is the most ancient thing that exists as far as we know, and Tirek only vaguely knew of Grogar. Discord being Grogar obviously makes a lot of sense now. However, it still seems weird to me that he didn't sense the magical energy of the bell somehow, and that he didn't just retrieve it himself when the villains supposedly didn't. I'm not saying this was a bad ending, because I think it's good. But I do think that there were a lot of elements throughout the season that don't really make a lot of sense with this direction

[@seth2111]

Looking forward to your thoughts on the next part and the Epilogue! Hope you have a really great day! PS: I think Chrysalis Cozy and Tirek, even if they wont admit it, consider themselves friends.

[@supersaiyandiclonius3056]

Okay, I know a lot happened and excuses some things slipping through the cracks, but did you really just forget about Cozy Glow trying to use Discord's power?

[@Leostar-Regalius]

also, i bet if discord learned they would do something greatly endangering(like putting a pony at risk of death or something) and they hadn't had the bell he would've stepped in and sent them to tarturus, i mean he was able to pull them out

[@LoryplayKD]

Can't wait for you to review the last 2 episodes X3

[@KLT-id9nm]

Geese are dangerous man. Lol I love seeing Fluttershy quote Wizard of Oz. I love a lot of her quotes.

[@codymojoe5935]

Don't forget, Dr.Wolf, that Discord said the evil triad absorbed Grogar's power. Grogar was real, but his ultimate fate is currently unknown.

[@LadyLeomon]

Am I the only one who was *super* disappointed finding out "the Final Big Bad" was our favourite Draconequus in disguise? 😓😓😓 While this *definitely* explains why Discord has never made any effort to aid the Mane Six's efforts against the League of Evil it's still just disappointing to me. Let's just hope the actual *Ending of the End* has a decent resolution for this ... what am I talking about? The world will clearly be saved in the end! Maybe an entire episode of flashbacks of the final fight? Thank you for giving your thoughts on the penultimate episode dear doctor! Always a Fan Dr Wolf 💙🐱💙

[@calebprescott440]

Lady Leomon no I was very disappointed as well I was so excited for grogar battle but hasbro just ruin it 😡

[@LadyLeomon]

Praise the Fausticorn, I was worried I was just being a sore viewer 😅😅😅 Thanks Caleb 💙🐱💙

[@calebprescott440]

Lady Leomon your welcome PS. Fully grown alicorn twilight is now like sonic 2019 design

[@LadyLeomon]

Caleb Prescott ... trying to decide if that's a good thing or not haha! 😅😅😅

[@nightshroud9671]

I was pretty iffy about Discord being Grogar too honestly.

[@ozmasterofmasks5838]

8:16 If they had just let Sombra be in the finale the message sent to the crystal empire would have had sense

[@thevoidtvft.shadowcorn8788]

The fact that absorbing lot of magic transformed Cozy into an alicorn and absorbing even more magic gave her bat wings Nightmare Moon-style raises a lot of questions. Like: Does that mean becoming powerful is another way to gain alicornhood? Then why didn't Starlight become one? And does Cozys second transformation mean that in terms of power bat winged-alicorn is the next step of evolution for alicorns?

[@khfanboy666]

Discord was already callous even if you just look at The Beginning of the End. That episode literally ends with Rarity saying "He could've stopped Sombra whenever he wanted." Discord could've stopped Sombra, but he didn't, and let things carry on just so that Twi would gain some confidence.

[@swhero4mer4jesus]

Im so glad you didn't post it yesterday I just watched it.

[@ozmasterofmasks5838]

This episode showed us That discord never learn anything. They wasted Grogar and Sombra for this dunderhead

[@grimlord3181]

Yep, Sombra especially.

[@RockandStoneVForKarl]

Remember in To Where and Back Again when Discord didn't care at all about the changelings taking over Equestria until Fluttershy and co were mentioned? It is absolutely Discords character to not care about the well being of those not close to him, he isn't a hero and he isn't really even a good guy, he is a cosmic chaotic force who happens to be friends with the main characters and a few side characters. Big Jims explanation for the trio over Grogar makes perfect sense as well, having the final conflict be between the main 6 and a team of villains who have personal ties to them is a much better narrative idea than just bringing in the formulaic single evil dark lord (even though it still could have been great with one) I am so sick of seeing people say "He should have been our thanos our thanos thanos thanos thanos" Why? Just because Thanos exists doesn't mean every show needs to replicate that style of villain. The pillars definitely went out like chumps, but remember that Tirek is currently the strongest of the villains. Chrysalis was in a very weakened state prior to the bell, being bested by evil Twilight fairly easily, and Cozy Glow was just a child, no power. Tirek however was given a large power boost by Grocord and in one of his secondary forms, probably being on par with Twilight and considering the bell split power evenly, that would make him significantly more powerful than the other two Grogar buffed characters. So it makes sense the pillars didn't really stand a chance even if it is by far the most disappointing part of the episode. And finally, your point on Twilight just teleporting everyone away kinda negates the point of the sacrifice, they need time to make a plan and find a way to defeat the trio, if Twilight teleported them all away the villains would immediately resume the hunt and found them again, they would never have time to prepare. Twilight escaping alone gives her time to think of a way to defeat the villains while the trio are busy with the mane 6.

[@nightshroud9671]

Honestly I wished Luna(and Celestia, but I am more focused on Luna here) got to do more in this finale than just losing their magic again and such. It sort of left a bad taste in my mouth.

[@RockandStoneVForKarl]

@@nightshroud9671 Yeah but at least they weren't overpowered this time, the episode and script makes it clear that they would have defeated Cozy with that blast if they didn't have the bell Regardless a lot of things like that is simply due to the staff being stuck at 22 minutes, if even a little more time was given I would have had Cozy try to counter their blast with her own and be overpowered, and then use the bell on the princesses.

[@nightshroud9671]

+Dalvyn The Drunk Still I wished Luna got to do more in this finale honestly.

[@NERRP2017]

Discord as grogar, is like Timothy, the demonic brother of Thomas with demons, trying to reform him self from corrupt and broken to good and nice

[@Jawmax]

While I don't mind Discord being Grogar, I am disappointed Tirek didn't speak more to Starswirl. Star Swirl did turn his brother Scorpan against him, so Tirek would probably be angrier at him.

[@killz0ne215]

You're right! Forgot about that bit..... that would've been an amazing bit of continuity and added more dramatic flare to the encounter vs Tirek just stomping them. Plus, don't forget Starswirl told the princesses of Tirek's plan and was imprisoned as a result.

[@ZGuy0fSci]

*"As we Live we Learn and Grow, Yet Even So often Change Comes Slow."* ehs? With it seems for it they are willing to show it so not just for the "good" side, which i approve of rather than forgetting those time left behind or would have had.

[@queenkaterose]

When I Discord was revealed to be Groger (

[@phantomslay5612]

You thought it was Grogar from G1, But it was I, Di- (finger snap) Discord!!

[@neocelestia]

I actually liked the Discord is Grogar twist. It showed a side of him that perhaps hasn't fully learned why something like those actions, however well meant, really isn't the right way to help. It also showed that Discord will likely always have his own chaotic way of doing things. I admit, I did see the twist coming slightly ahead of time. The eyebrows/eyes did get the suspicion ball rolling but the real hint came near the end of episode 17. Discord is commenting on Twilight being ready to rule while casually munching on a very distinctive blue and yellow cookie. Then we get an immediate cut to Grogar after. It just seemed too convenient and cinched the theory for me. Anyways, I know this twist seems divisive among the fans but I thought it was an interesting way to bring back all the villains for one last romp. Looking forward to what you think of the last two episodes, Dr Wolf. Thanks for the great reactions over the years. :)

[@garynaccarto8636]

It seems like there was so much potential and so little time.

[@star-stonelegend]

Of all the things I could predict about the season finale, I didn’t expect my theory about Grogar not being himself. I did not expect discord to do such a thing, then again this does remind me of how megamind scared titan by disguising himself as metroman and it would’ve worked if he has it and it’s pronounced the cities name. But I feel sorry for discord because he’s only trying to help twilight feel more confident end it is unfortunate that his plan went horribly wrong. I mean discord should’ve seen it coming there villains of course they’re gonna lie. Still I really light on twilight was handling the situation until the end. Also I think discord made a reference in lower the rings when he said “fly you fool”. That’s something Gandolf would say even though he said “run you fool “. This is all I’m gonna be talking about for part one I’m looking forward to your review of part 2.

[@boba4]

Clarification: Gandalf said "Fly you fools" in both the book and the movie. Discord, of course, changed that to "Fly you foal" in true FiM fashion.

[@karlhnedkovsky5214]

My heart really sank, when I found out Grogar was Discord for the first time! Smh...

[@rickxhoshinji]

The writers could've gave Discord a better reason for what he did. For example, maybe he wanted to prevent Twilight's enemies from ruining her coronation while using the lessons he learned to teach the evil three the power of friendship.

[@williamcrowe2576]

I suppose it ought to have been predictable from the outset. I mean, why do you never see Discord and Grogar together?

[@BBBHuey]

Yeah! It's not like Discord can multiply himself many times over? ^^

[@ryancarson6962]

William Crowe Why WOULD they be seen together? Grogar is a villain trying to conquer Equestria and Discord is an ally to the Princesses who has the powers of a frigging god, why would he ever go near Discord at all? It’s just a huge stretch to use that as evidence.

[@IsilionNELE]

I LOVED that Grogar was Discord. It was the perfect twist and totally in character for Discord Brilliant writing!

[@LvXGameMaster]

Dr. Wolf it's only been two days, couldn't you hide the spoiler in your title?