Unlocking Grogar's True Past (MLP Analysis) - Sawtooth Waves

Original Upload: February 7, 2020 by Sawtooth Waves ( / @sawtoothwaves )
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He's more important than you might think...
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Used as follows:
Beach Bum
Scheming Weasel
Not As It Seems
Gymnopedie No 1
Truth of the Legend
Beauty Flow
Prelude and Action
Heroic Age
Inspired
Club Diver
EDM Detection Mode
Outro music by me lol, "Who Walks In Your Dreams?": • Video

[@Aspen_exists_and_stuff]

Sawtooth is on a misson to say anything but flurryheart

[@pratmid5816]

and failed

[@skyfiretheagender.alterhuman]

But why fluffyheart come on Sawtooth be more creative

[@skyfiretheagender.alterhuman]

And now I’m hearing fuzzyhat Better…? …I think?

[@Iridessable]

*They come the baby of cadence is the first that born.*

[@ogookpala]

Can dance babby

[@DefNotEnder]

Heart

[@demmyoloko6600]

candence baby

[@sergioandrescontreras5251]

Grogar is mysterious villain. I hope we see him in season 10 comics and we finally find out his origins. He could be a treat to Twilight and her friends. Let’s see what the future has in store for this character.

[@raptorzeraora2632]

The g4 comics are done now

[@sergioandrescontreras5251]

@@raptorzeraora2632 Not necessarily. They still have plenty of adventures in ancient Equestria to explore in G4.

[@sweetdreams1028]

@@sergioandrescontreras5251no, the IDW comics for FiM are finished, and so were the season 10 comics long ago at this point. Trust me, I would DIE for some more expansion into Grogar and his rein, but the staff doesn’t seem to care about diving into what was literally the first emperor of Equestria. 😔

[@marykavala7743]

Actually in mlp g1 we see grogar

[@Lunarstar_The_Wolf]

@@marykavala7743yea I actually watched the episode a week ago

[@molten5121]

grogar was in g1, so was gusty the great

[@ggyt1234]

🥸

[@flashmanflashflash5772]

WHAAAAAA??????????????? I never knew that!!!!!!

[@lisalittle7091]

yes, him as well as tirek are directly featured villians to be defeated. theres a huge pool of information this creator didnt dip into because they didnt go back to generation 1 @flashmanflashflash5772

[@yamilrivera2673]

Also tirek

[@duanefonseca6990]

I you remember this guy a couple years ago you deserve a veterans account

[@kiddiewinnierobloxgaming6449]

Pls pin. The description give the basis of the controversy, but here are more details for those who want it. The basic story of what happened goes as follows (yes, you'll have to read a bit but this is a condensed version of the mountains of text they gave): A 15-year-old fan (a name I've seen is Ash) was a big fan of Sawtooth and made art and videos for him. He eventually saw them and thanked her for the art. They became friends, talking about MLP theories. He has done this with many fans and even featured some in collabs on his episodes. Eventually she confesses that she has a crush on Sawtooth (whom had just turned 19), making him feel awkward about their relationship and initially denying her feelings back. Some weeks later, the conversation came back again he came back with a "maybe if you were older" type comment which gave her hope in that they could be a couple when she was older but for now would just be friends. Over the next year or so, they would become much closer, talking more openly about things like mental health, family situations, et cetera. They were essentially online bf and gf but didn't do too much apart from roleplay and virtual hugs and kisses. Typical teenager stuff. Then her mother comes in, and she is quite abusive to Ash and threatens Sawtooth to stop talking to her. This is when both parties realised how serious this relationship could be. They didn't want to give up being friends but were willing to put themselves at distance. They would go weeks or even months without talking because of her mother's rules, but they did occasionally mail to each other (as they had done prior while sending fanart to each other). During these separations, she became even more obsessive than she was to the point that she started ignoring her studies and failing in school. On the few times they did reconvene, Sawtooth warned her to not ignore school but she ignored his warnings. By about 2019, they were barely in any contact. Her mother placed a final strict separation between them, though Ash would still text Sawtooth, even though he refused to text back because of her mother's boundaries. A point that was brought up earlier was that when she turns 18, she can make her own decisions and wouldn't have to listen to her mother anymore. When she did turn 18, Sawtooth would start returning her texts and they would officially become a couple. At this point, they began exploring a mild sexual relationship (no one was forced or pressured to do anything), but this wouldn't last too long. The relationship was immediately toxic and ended barely 6 months (I believe) after it started. Sawtooth was the one to break it off. They apparently had a momentary FWB deal but there really is no detail as to how all of that went but they were both adults at this time so it generally isn't our business but it was clear their relationship had grown sour. Then by 2022, Ash told Sawtooth that she was gonna expose him for their relationship and Sawtooth knew that if she did, he would never be trusted again because he knows how the internet is gonna take stuff like this. She got him to beg that she not come forward because it would mean the end of his channel. He would eventually accept this and stopped making videos for a while. By February, both made posts around the same time detailing their sides and Sawtooth privated his channel. She blames him for being 19 and fraternising with a 15 year-old at the time and for being the reason she did bad in school and can't go to college. I'm not even framing it, that is literally what her trauma was; that she did bad and school and blames it on him. It's obvious to me at least that this was a masterclass of a nothing burger that honestly has nothing to do with us so there was no reason they should have actively destroyed his career, but we all know how the internet is. No one can make a mistake without being caught and cancelled for it, no matter how many years have passed or how small the mistake was.

[@jacktaylor9217]

He’s like the dark Lord Sauron from Lord of the rings

[@MelTheBatEaredFox]

"At that point Mc FlUrrY tActICS interrupted the story for good...😥😥😥"

[@alphaz8741]

Try looking at g1. Grogar was the main villain and it could help fill a lot of holes.

[@m.yfazeli1577]

WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT

[@cruzjackal]

Yeah, even back in G1, Equestria wasn't even called Equestria back then, it used to be called Pony Land. Imagine if Tirek said this while explaining to Cozy Glow on who exactly was Grogar. "Grogar is ancient, extremely powerful. Before Equestria was even called Equestria, it used to be called Pony Land. And it was also nothing but mere pastors and farm folks, until he declared himself to be emperor".

[@efcoolstar3849]

Grogar could’ve really be the overreaching overall main antagonist of the season as he was trying to use these events of villains causing trouble to gather up negative energy to build up his strength. He could’ve even setup these events to give Twilight and the others false accomplishments.

[@ryancarter1080]

Your history theory makes a lot of sense, people have often allied in the face of a threat even if they are completely different whether racially (I mean species by the way not skin color) culturally or ideologically just look at ww2 the allies and soviet leadership clearly distrusted one another and many hated each other but as long as the axis powers were a threat they were willing to play nice. So, that Grogar was a big enough threat for ponies and perhaps other species to work together and form kingdoms and governments make sense. That also includes monsters Grogar was described as the "father of monsters" which monsters are unknown, after all we see timber wolves, cockatrices, hydra's etc along with other creatures that may have once been his creations but have evolved like the sirens or dragons, after all a thousand years ago during flash magnus times dragons seemed a lot more violent and willing to go on rampages and raids fairly frequently. While by the time of twilight a dragon just being close to a pony settlement and doing nothing but sleeping was considered unusual and worrying, they seem to have mellowed out somewhat. I can see the militaries being formed with the need of protecting the homesteads and family tribes but suddenly you no longer have as many people farming and their is greater need for resources such as metals (miners) for weapons and armor, along with blacksmiths to make them, healers to take care of the wounded and who knows how many other occupations were created with the need to have 24/7 protection. A lot less people could farm so a more efficient farming system would have to be put into place, to support the protection, people also began to move together for safety and resources since I doubt everyone had an iron mine for example within cantering distance. So, not only was there less farm hands but now it had to support more people. Similar to our world their first kings or chieftains probably came from the commanders of the permanent fighting men as they would have a great deal of control over the soldiers, people and resources in order to better protect the community. They probably had to introduce some form of ration system along with telling farmers what and where to plant in order to ensure the most bountiful harvest, from this the governments and kingdoms formed and slowly spread and absorbed other kingdoms similar to it since there seemed to be a single kingdom per pony subspecies by the time of the wendigo's.

[@cyaneadechavez3543]

It was sawtooth waves vid the one who reposted it rn has the user name deleted brony archives for a reason 😔

[@Smol_beryy]

@@cyaneadechavez3543they groomed some one

[@Smol_beryy]

@@cyaneadechavez3543theres videos on the topic

[@Ucikkkkkkk]

​@@Smol_beryynot someone,A KID!1!1!!1

[@iartbook]

yeah he was in G1

[@PatriciaJones-z5y]

What if Grogar had a mentor? Who could have taken him in? What if he was abandoned by his parents and that led to his villain arc?

[@vrgalatta2035]

I have a question..... how does gusty the great and her unicorn armies stand on cloudsdale?Its because only pegasi can walk on clouds and twilight put a spell so applejack, pinkypie and herself plus add the wings to rarity.

[@kimberlychambers5136]

There is a record of grogar before friendship is magic. It was in the first series of my little pony. While it's been awhile since I saw it, it could help with theory developments

[@carnage0685]

its so weird that Tirek looks almost nothing like his G1 counterpart, yet Grogar is basically just G1 Grogar but G4-ified. not that i'm complaining, i'm very happy they stayed faithful for once.

[@Anime_Oni]

U FOrgOt AbOut FLUrrY HeARt 😂

[@milaklein7578]

I have another idea on how the tribes started what if they were still spread out and all of them were working together to battle growgar but then after they defeated him, they fought over who won the battle and they formed Tribes thinking thinking they won, but it was really all of them, but none of them could see that

[@camilloreginald]

Cloudsdale hat!

[@soap_dragon1509]

I want a series like “Legends of equestria” or smth that dives into these villains and where they come from. Like how Grogar happened, how discord was made, etc etc

[@Walterskidsaccount]

Cozy glow is the princess of madness

[@tamasczigola6392]

Got here from EQAW. You can awaken Grogar and conquer the world in his glory.

[@Neptune_Fan_Lover1]

I would say that grogar might had wanted the equestria we see now to begin while he was still in charge but then gusty went to try to talk to the Pegasus and team up to stop this and it didn't really work, in my opinion

[@HeidiMoran-vg3wz]

I thought this was obvious……bc of the bell and of the Tereck stories which was way before discord and discord wouldn’t put that much effort if they were just stories

[@Anime_Oni]

U SaID FLuFfy HEArT 😂

[@whiskeykohli6307]

I have 1 question if the unicorn and pegasi faced a war together why would they hate each other when equestria was first found?

[@saimawasti9598]

Most probably because the unicorns and pegasi were going through the same problem in the past: Grogar's tyranny when he was declared emperor. So despite their hate towards each other, they still decided to put their differences aside, at least until the war was over. And finish Grogar together if they wanna put an end to his tyranny.

[@whiskeykohli6307]

@@saimawasti9598 thanks ☺️

[@user-cj4iv2bu5h]

Lovely

[@girlpro3236]

Ngl the cover of the book Twilight sparkle was reading looks like zip

[@josephwilliams8893]

If you want the answer of where nightmare moon was then she was on the moon

[@user-cj4iv2bu5h]

That for love

[@mreganhp]

Hearthswarming happend BEFORE grogar. Why do ponies always get them mixed up?😡

[@Lunarstar_The_Wolf]

Actually Grogar came from G1 which I believe was before hearthswarming.

[@Raethe_potato]

“I promise I’m not Rasite”

[@user-hi4ru9st5k]

Well I'm just saying that there may have been a disaster because past twilight wouldn't let future twilight speak so who knows what future twilight was trying to say. ❤

[@jgibson3895]

i have a question and my brother will kill me if i ask it outloud, if celestia and luna werent there for the first hearts warmind eve, WHY DOES THE FLAG HAVE THEM ON IT??????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@pratmid5816]

YOU FORGOT FLURRYHEART

[@kimberlydimaapi631]

🎉

[@josephwilliams8893]

You have to watch ask pony

[@Fantasycastle337]

Diacord.

[@soysauce8114]

G1

[@Amelia-sg5xh]

Mooooooom.😮

[@user-td9su9hr9u]

You have bad puns 😂😂😂

[@Jake-mt5fr]

🪞🪞💚💚💔💔🔪🔪

[@harvism3]

PLS JUST WATCH G1

[@sadqahjariyah3686]

😅alacorn

[@Jake-mt5fr]

🌅🌅🐉🐉✨✨

[@user-ze6pl8ty1k]

Potato

[@jeannolastname2235]

So just a thing you should know if you do notice this comment if I do get to support your channel financially, I can’t remember what the thing you said is called I won’t be able to give money like every month. My memory is terrible.

[@Ucikkkkkkk]

You cant. He (sawtooth) groomed a kid. His channel also get deleted. But his theory are great,they got reuploaded on this ch

[@kiddiewinnierobloxgaming6449]

Pls pin. The description give the basis of the controversy, but here are more details for those who want it. The basic story of what happened goes as follows (yes, you'll have to read a bit but this is a condensed version of the mountains of text they gave): A 15-year-old fan (a name I've seen is Ash) was a big fan of Sawtooth and made art and videos for him. He eventually saw them and thanked her for the art. They became friends, talking about MLP theories. He has done this with many fans and even featured some in collabs on his episodes. Eventually she confesses that she has a crush on Sawtooth (whom had just turned 19), making him feel awkward about their relationship and initially denying her feelings back. Some weeks later, the conversation came back again he came back with a "maybe if you were older" type comment which gave her hope in that they could be a couple when she was older but for now would just be friends. Over the next year or so, they would become much closer, talking more openly about things like mental health, family situations, et cetera. They were essentially online bf and gf but didn't do too much apart from roleplay and virtual hugs and kisses. Typical teenager stuff. Then her mother comes in, and she is quite abusive to Ash and threatens Sawtooth to stop talking to her. This is when both parties realised how serious this relationship could be. They didn't want to give up being friends but were willing to put themselves at distance. They would go weeks or even months without talking because of her mother's rules, but they did occasionally mail to each other (as they had done prior while sending fanart to each other). During these separations, she became even more obsessive than she was to the point that she started ignoring her studies and failing in school. On the few times they did reconvene, Sawtooth warned her to not ignore school but she ignored his warnings. By about 2019, they were barely in any contact. Her mother placed a final strict separation between them, though Ash would still text Sawtooth, even though he refused to text back because of her mother's boundaries. A point that was brought up earlier was that when she turns 18, she can make her own decisions and wouldn't have to listen to her mother anymore. When she did turn 18, Sawtooth would start returning her texts and they would officially become a couple. At this point, they began exploring a mild sexual relationship (no one was forced or pressured to do anything), but this wouldn't last too long. The relationship was immediately toxic and ended barely 6 months (I believe) after it started. Sawtooth was the one to break it off. They apparently had a momentary FWB deal but there really is no detail as to how all of that went but they were both adults at this time so it generally isn't our business but it was clear their relationship had grown sour. Then by 2022, Ash told Sawtooth that she was gonna expose him for their relationship and Sawtooth knew that if she did, he would never be trusted again because he knows how the internet is gonna take stuff like this. She got him to beg that she not come forward because it would mean the end of his channel. He would eventually accept this and stopped making videos for a while. By February, both made posts around the same time detailing their sides and Sawtooth privated his channel. She blames him for being 19 and fraternising with a 15 year-old at the time and for being the reason she did bad in school and can't go to college. I'm not even framing it, that is literally what her trauma was; that she did bad and school and blames it on him. It's obvious to me at least that this was a masterclass of a nothing burger that honestly has nothing to do with us so there was no reason they should have actively destroyed his career, but we all know how the internet is. No one can make a mistake without being caught and cancelled for it, no matter how many years have passed or how small the mistake was.

[@ostenfeld66]

​@@kiddiewinnierobloxgaming6449Finally someone who explain it correct. It's important to notice that they didn't Meet physically, they waited starting a serious realationship until She was 18. People seem to forget it. But due to internet be toxic and unforgiving, I Hope they would stay healthy and stay away from internet. Unless they completely don't care about bad comments. If friends meet when they are 15 and 19, but waits until the youngest is 18 with being a couple there is Nothing Wrong. Also people can have friends in all ages. I have Also experienced the toxic, unforgiving part of internet. I left that place.

[@user-cj4iv2bu5h]

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