The English Man Who Committed Over 100 Crimes As The Joker

[@EarlHare]

I will never recover from learning the fact that an entire village pulled a sickie to avoid having to build and maintain a road. Absolute legends.

[@SECONDQUEST]

"Pulled a sickie" I will never from learning people say that shit

[@NotALiberalSoSkipTheScript]

@@SECONDQUEST Is that a UK saying?

[@ActuallyHoudini]

@@NotALiberalSoSkipTheScript maybe slang in one area. where i live, we call naps "kips" and calling everybody "me duck".

[@Naptosis]

@@NotALiberalSoSkipTheScript Yes it is.

[@Rocker-1234]

@@NotALiberalSoSkipTheScript nah its def aussie. or atleast thats the only place ive heard it

[@Tree-House69]

The man who suffered a concussion I feel so sorry for, I have been around people who had concussions and have seen the ways it can change ones life, what's worse is how often there's still lucidity and someone is completely aware to mostly aware of who they were, their prior levels of cognition, they suddenly have to rework parts of themselves from the ground up and possibly learn masking techniques. I wish the best for him, the worker that is, and hope he can get good care and therapy in his life.

[@TheJunnutin]

I guess the silver lining here is that this didn't happen in US..

[@adamg7984]

It honestly sounds like the man might have suffered more than a concussion. I know concussions can be mild to serious, but it might be a different name for what this man suffered. He specifically used brain injury and perhaps his skull was fractured or partly smashed, which can cause extreme damage to someone's cognition as well as motor functions. I just think he probably suffered and injury beyond a concussion. Not to nit pick or down play concussions, just that from the sound of it, and knowing a bowling ball was dropped onto his head, it makes me think he was nearly killed by the incident.

[@TheClintonio]

@@adamg7984 Quite likely a TBI - Traumatic Brain Injury.

[@thedarkness125]

@@TheJunnutin to be fair its only an absolute idiot who thinks the us has a monopoly on crazies and a lack of mental health support.

[@nojuanatall3281]

As someone who has had a few concussions I can say it does change you. How much and for how long varies. Never the less they are no joke. First one I hit my head in a tunnel at McDonald's as a kid. Second was a disc golf disc at terminal velocity. They weigh over 150 grams and it came straight down on my head. I had been drinking and this was the worst headache I've ever had except for catching the modern plague this year. The third was when I got robbed, pistol whipped and had my head thrown through a wall. I still have a picture of that hole somewhere. My adrenaline was racing so hard it didn't hurt for about 8 hours.

[@Argumemnon]

You'd think after 100 offenses of so, they'd stop letting him go.

[@johnr797]

#JustUKThings

[@MakerInMotion]

The UK treats violent criminals like they're a good lad who just made a mistake. They just need to be locked up long enough to calm down then they can go free.

[@TheMasterpiecePD]

@@johnr797 Not just UK, they do the same in California and New York. It's just lefty commie things

[@oz_jones]

They keep releasing Jon Venables, a known child killer and a nonce, giving him a new identity every time. But the bugger just keeps on watching Corn-Pops so they keep nicking him.

[@novalinnhe]

In Nottingham they deal with so much insane crap that I don't imagine this would have pinged on the judge's radar until it was too late. Literally last year, I was walking home and a man came screaming out a car park with an axe. I walked past, got home and locked the door. Found out later he'd run into the town centre and struck an elderly man with it. Since the old man didn't die from the injuries, axe guy was let off; it apparently wasn't his first time doing it either. Nottingham has some of highest unemployment and homelessness rates in the UK, and a massive problem with crime and drugs (literally used to be known as "Shottingham"). The bar for arrest, especially around the City, is _very_ high.

[@firefang225]

I remember seeing him a couple times when I visited family up there, both times he was hanging outside the station smacking a metal pipe, and then a cane against the railings trying to intimidate random people, screaming gibberish at them too. It's unfortunate how he was never just sectioned, as I think it would've done him some good while also sparing his victim

[@firefang225]

@Comfy Frogmate I know people who did call the police on him, and nothing ever happened beyond them moving him along. Pretty sure in this video too it mentioned how he was "known to police", i.e. they constantly ran into him but did nothing about it. The "joker" here is our support system for the mentally ill, not random bystanders who already knew they could do nothing meaningful about it

[@edenfc5082]

He had been sectioned multiple times.

[@alseid8709]

I thought this was going to be about that *other* notorious Joker larper, the one who regularly complains about cosplayers on social media, claims to be a trained performer, and is (I think) a registered sex offender. This is... rather sadder and more tragic.

[@julianscomposer]

Was that the one who sold women's underwear with his Joker face on it?

[@alseid8709]

@@BBWahoo I couldn't recall so I searched a bit and I think it was the Santa Cruz Joker

[@fbmb1337]

I somehow thought it was gonna be about that one rando guy from 4chan that every so often posts picks of himself, possibly fake guns/weaponry and talks like a deleted Joker scene from The Dark Knight.

[@Walterbgaming]

@@fbmb1337 You're thinking of Gypsy Crusader, who went to prison a while back, he completely changed as he lost everything after years of racist/antisemitic tirades over omegle he livestreamed for his followers. All the people that used to follow him tho found out he wasn't a pure white man so he lost those people too...

[@fbmb1337]

@@Walterbgaming Different Joker, pretty sure the one I was talking about wasn't politically motivated, at least not when it came to his random posting. Also I can only find images of GC painted as Joaquin Phoenix's Joker, not Heath Ledger's, which is the one I meant.

[@Alex-cw3rz]

The Joker and his smile is also based off a book by Victor Hugo (who also wrote les miserables and hunchback of notre dame), the book in English is called "The Man Who Laughs" and is about a poor homeless boy in England who is then mutilated by having a permanent smile carved into his face, to make money for a travelling show.

[@Cloudsurfer69]

wow

[@Argumemnon]

There's an 1928 somehat-adaptation with Conrad Veidt, the smile of whom inspired the villain.

[@NotALiberalSoSkipTheScript]

I thought it was from that old silent movie “The Man Who Laughs”? Like how Arkham is from HP Lovecraft lore, and Superman is inspired by a monster from the turn of the century story “Reign Of The Superman”.

[@hicknopunk]

Holy crap. I have asked countless Batman fans about Joker's origin and nobody has been able to answer it like this.

[@friibird]

@@NotALiberalSoSkipTheScript but even then, Lovecraft lore is mostly based on new English, and therefore old English (countryside England), and the histories and myths remembered by those people of common heritage Nothing is original, except sometimes for history, which is why the only original and new memes come from unexpected news stories ain't no body got time for Someone else named your movie three days before your comment

[@informitas0117]

I'm a schizophrenic and while this guy seems hell bent on being a bad person plenty of schizophrenics and other delusion sufferers stop taking their antipsychotics. The side effects are often so bad that the step to thinking the pills are actually poison is a short one. I've been institutionalized several times, often because of this and that's what they should have done with him too.

[@FTZPLTC]

It does seem like institutionalisation was the only safe option. And I'm not sure how safe that would've been tbh.

[@cheesesniper473]

Thats why back in the day they were put in straight jackets and locked in a room made out of really soft mattresses. Solo.

[@raintreerefuge4679]

@@cheesesniper473 Ah yes, nothing beats sane inducing solitary confinement.

[@TheChadTI]

Also schizo, my life was hell on medication. I was never violent so im not too concerned about leaving it behind

[@TheJunnutin]

@@SioxerNikita I know that wasn't your intention but I feel like you bypassed the whole "doesn't help them" part too quickly. Then again, explaining to people how this could affect _them personally_ might be the better strategy. Though I feel like people following this channel might be a bit more reasonable and empathetic than average.

[@RESGorilla]

That bit about the bowling ball was genuinely upsetting.

[@MarkerLewis]

I wasn’t expecting this kind of topic on your channel but this is very good. Thank you Kira !

[@KiraTV1]

[@jay252589]

They just banned someone in my city near Leeds for similar behaviour, minus the Joker makeup. I've been around mental health services for 20 years, and they're worse now than any point in decades, it's shameful and should/could have been prevented.

[@ericsbuds]

do you guys have lead water pipes there too?

[@ArzHole]

@@ericsbuds My mother's house being pre 1920s had lead water pipes, I lived there from the age of nine to nineteen. I'm surprised I don't set off every metal detector in a fifteen mile radius. She also had a pre-war shed in the garden made of Asbestos, which she didn't have removed until about ten years ago. She never told us not to play in there, which of course we did and dug holes in the wall. So if the lead don't get me then that probably will.

[@ericsbuds]

@@ArzHole i was only kidding about the lead pipes thing. i live near Flint which had a real problem with them not long ago. if the water isnt treated right, the lining can eat away and the lead can get in the water. if your water was treated or whatever, you were fine i bet! but yea im no expert i am just remembering what i read about. the asbestos though.. dont breathe it in! oh god tell me you didnt.

[@ArzHole]

@@ericsbuds Yeah I know you were joking. I'm not sure about the pipes though, they were so old I wouldn't be surprised if they were falling into pieces. As far as the asbestos shed went, my brother and I probably did breath it in. As I said we used to play in there and dig holes in it as it was soft. My parents were too tight fisted to pay to get rid of it, or even lock it to stop us going in it. So I'm sure my lungs are pretty full of crap, not including the fact I've been a smoker for thirty plus years. If I live to fifty (I'm 48 now) I'll be bloody surprised.

[@ericsbuds]

@@ArzHole well you made it this far! im 38 lol. im sure the human body can handle at least some of that stuff :)

[@jtokes9400]

Saw him once the Victoria centre screaming at Millie’s cookies… nice to see a Nottingham lad on one of these 😅

[@moxiemaxie3543]

Nice? Dude cause someone to be dead inside. Dude is in a prison of his own body and broken brain

[@jtokes9400]

@@moxiemaxie3543 sarcasm went clean over your head

[@psyboyo]

Kira, the new JCS Criminal Psychology channel! Getting darker again. Keep going! You own this style, mad editing skills!

[@TheJunnutin]

While I'm not complaining about the direction this channel has taken, I really wouldn't mind a kickstarter game situation check every now and then =) And agreed, his editing has taken leaps in a very short time! First few were too much recycling same stock clips as a background to the story. But now it's all very cohesive. Haha, had to check I used cohesive correctly before posting 😅

[@WillOfFiree]

What is the name?

[@TheClintonio]

I had a friend like this guy once. We met at like 6 years old and from the start he was always a bit off. By the time we were teens I had already learned to largely avoid the guy as he'd fly off into strange behaviours and start completely acting up. Last I heard of him he hit a pregnant woman on the head with a steel bar and is in prison.

[@steelfox1448]

Holy fuck that last sentence gave me whiplash, wasn't expecting that

[@TheClintonio]

@@steelfox1448 Yeah the guy went full crazy. Before the steel bar/pipe event I previously saw him angrily chasing around ducks in a park while his friends laughed at him. We were 18 at the time. In that area his family were some of the more prolific criminals.

[@legendaryvicius]

There used to be a guy with mental health issues (I never really knew what exactly since he lived REALLY far away from my block) who would always walk around my neighborhood, he would tell people stuff like he was being hunted by the C.I.A. accusing them of being agents, or trying to pick fights saying it was because they were gay, etc; the guy could be very intimidating at times since he was 1 meter 80 cm. One day i was coming back from work and he engaged me saying i was a C.I.A spy and got really violent, i'm a big guy myself but didn't wanna get in a fight with him, so i decided to go along with him and started telling him that yes, i was a spy but i was leaving the agency because i knew he'd find me out; his behavior did a 180 almost instantly, he went from wanting to kick my ass to being very friendly with me. Dunno, what was of him for the past 2 years, but it is no joke to deal with mentally ill people.

[@CC-oi9mc]

Yeah this is how you handle tweakers just say some nonsense that makes them think you’re on their side

[@electrowave114]

Instead of denying his delusion, you instead gave him a reason to not fight that went *within* the logic he was currently operating on. In short, you defined yourself as a non-threat in the only way he'd understand at that point, as a denial that you were ever a C.I.A. agent would've simply colided with his whole concept of 'reality.'

[@ElysetheEevee]

@@electrowave114 This. While some would say this probably isn't the best way to deal with mental illness like this as it only reinforces paranoid delusions and whatnot, I think you figured things out creatively. Especially for someone who seems to not have any personal experience with these types of issues. Very good of you!

[@ryan.1990]

Quick thinking!

[@Valaryant.]

@@electrowave114 Problem is, u really can't know how their reaction would be, it takes not only training to do so, but luck as well, thankfully this one went well, and if would have turned the other way around, @ViciousJo said he is big enough to handle himself, but what about regular folks?, I feel bad for the mentally ill, should be more understanding and more resources to handle their cases, instead of funding wars and bailing hedge funds and big corps.

[@MrStevem121]

Very interesting my man and also tragic. Really enjoy your visual / vocal presentation style. This is good proof that you can talk about anything

[@darceybaxter1626]

I'm from Nottingham. I heard about someone dropping a bowling ball out a window. But didn't realise it was this guy! Wondered why I hadn't see him about for ages. So sad.

[@ronrolfsen3977]

In my country, we thankfully have a program for these people. He would definitely be forced to participate and will only be released if the medical staff believes he won't be a threat anymore. It is not a perfect system but works better than just putting people like him in prison and hoping they are cured when released.

[@Ukraineaissance2014]

Yeah you cant just lock people up for being mentally ill. We used to have that system in the UK but thankfully abolished it.

[@NottsRetroClub]

Interesting video most of it I was aware of. I ran forbidden planet in Nottingham for a number of years in which we had countless threats and thefts from him. I’ve had further interactions with him on public transport where he’s tried to show my children drugs and been aggressive. Having had countless interactions and heard from other retailers and people working in the city centre everyday, I have always felt that the police failed to protect the public consistently. They would often pick him up like he was a bumbling old drunk the town new sort of thing when in reality so many of the issues involved violent threats etc. fundamentally though the parents failed clearly and whilst sympathetic to that side, any act that alters another persons life the way he did the council worker, looses any compassion I have for the individual.

[@shadowmikk9421]

I studied in Nottingham a few years ago and remember seeing him hang around Victoria Centre every now and then. Got a weird vibe off him and kept my distance. Never knew his story got so dark.

[@doodlesquatch277]

I thought you were gonna tell me the guy that got hit with the bowling ball lost his mind and started dressing up like Batman.

[@MassiveSwordAndCards]

Wouldn't be surprised if it happens. The guy has a good decade to prepare for Joker's release.

[@TheJunnutin]

That's pretty dark considering we're talking real people here. But I'd be lying if I said I didn't upvote you.

[@RoachChaddjr]

You would think this would trigger another Joker story, not a Batman one.

[@doodlesquatch277]

@@RoachChaddjr like the evil Joker spirit transfered bodies?

[@jeremytitus9519]

@@doodlesquatch277 some kind of memetic virus, spread by acts of mayhem

[@jasonnikolic]

I love this video, it's brilliant and I always knew your voice and investigative style could deliver smashing content outside of scams and frauds. MORE

[@jon_deluxe]

Not only was the story interesting, I also loved the editing. Keep up the good work!

[@megsley]

I feel bad for his victim. I don't necessarily feel bad for him - realistically, there is only so much the state can do for severely mentally ill folks; they can lock them up institutionally, but if not then you can't exactly force someone to take their meds or go to their therapy if they don't want to. He absolutely should be institutionalized and probably never released. I don't see him as someone who will be med-compliant/therapy-compliant. Just sad all around.

[@ryan.1990]

Agreed

[@bubba99009]

That's the problem - the streets are the asylum now. Same problem in the US. This guy will be back out again soon enough and no different than he was the day he dropped the bowling ball on the guys head.

[@CJ-nz8it]

Totally agree he'd need in home care or residential care even if just to make sure basic needs are met such as taking meds. Mental health Is fuckeries and there def needs more research done on the more serious (that could put others in danger) disorders.

[@blackmesacake5361]

God I can't even imagine what life is like surviving from an injury like that, poor guy :(

[@Part_Time_Catboy]

I briefly lived with him. We were residents of Framework's London Road housing project in Nottingham, which is sort of like a hostel but with catering and support workers. Greggs used to donate to the hostel and I he'd kick off over the poor selection that what was left, after he got back much later than everyone else. He was a nice chap though, just obviously unwell and not getting all of the support he needed. I moved out well before him, so I don't know what became of him there.

[@hoopla5502]

He dropped a bowling ball on someone's head , that's not a nice chap lol that's a psychopath dude should get the electric chair

[@Part_Time_Catboy]

@@hoopla5502 "was a nice chap" =/= "is a nice chap"

[@TheRealOAFs]

@@SioxerNikita how do we know, he isn't actually seeing something? Sometimes I do wonder

[@Rocker-1234]

@@SioxerNikita this is also the case with animals. societies so quick to scream "kill it" any time an animal isnt societies view of "perfect" but almost all of them are freaking amazing when ya get them to open up, they have just been refused the help they needed most thier life. on the joker tho, i cant help but think societies at least partially responsible. cause it hasnt been till after he went in the slammer that societies deemed it acceptable for men to seek help without being seen as even worse than society already sees us. and up until recently (and tbh it still happens but a bit less) places would refuse mental help to men. dude was probs just a social outcast neglected by society for being different, that couldn't afford to or felt he couldn't trust, the help he needed. and/or didnt wanna be seen as even more of a freak than society already sore him for seeking help.

[@Rocker-1234]

@@SioxerNikita sorry in advance for the long reply. but TL-DR is basically you're right, we cant expect everyone to learn everything and no noone should put themselves in a situation they don't feel safe or comfortable, but speaking from experience, a gesture as simple as showing you're not scared of them like everyone else or just not treating them like a freak like everyone else can go along way towards helping them. what you say is true but common decency and actual equality instead of the counterproductively gendered equality radfems keep pushing, goes along way. am i saying everyone should go out of their way to try and be a therapist to the local mentally ill? hell no. if you're not a professional its likely to end badly. but like those couple people said. he was ok behind closed doors and if you showed him you weren't scared of him he was less of a freak. if we just treated people like equals instead of making everyone different from the societal norm feel like they need to be scared of us even if they haven't done anything directed directly towards us people would be alot more likely to get help. like seriously, ask yourself why most people who find themselves in a somewhat similar situation to damion have always been men? cause society has always made it blatantly obvious they dont care about us or what we need in the slightest unless we do something drastic. i know that sounds extreme but from what ive seen and experienced in my life its true. thankfully thats starting to change in many places,and people are starting to be given equal treatment and concern for their mental illness no matter thier gender identity. but ive seen so many stories like this where people have gone insane and ended up killing or almost killing people and its been blatantly obvious they're crying for help for months if not years but it took them doing something ridiculously drastic for anyone to give a shit. but in the end they still get treated like a common criminal instead of being given that help they need. like i know the argument is always "if they needed help why didnt they just get it" when alot of the time like you said it comes down to many factors, maybe they were conditioned not to ask for help, maybe they feel they cant trust going alone, maybe they dont know where to start, maybe they cant afford it, maybe they dont have the confidence to. cause i can speak from personal experience, as someone that at one point in their life desperately wanted to go on a rampage and shed the blood of others, society often thinks life and making decisions or taking action especially on mental health is so much easier than it is. but its hard as hell especially when alot of these people seem to grow up in situations where they're made to feel like they should hate themselves for even being born. for example, i was an outcast to everyone. constantly told i was worthless by almost everyone including my parents, told to KMS multiple times a day by just about everyone in school cause of shit i couldn't control, return home to be degraded and blamed for literally everything cause i was born with ADHD (like legit thats it. thats why society including my own parents felt i should be dead). always used to think i had that aggressive nightmare kinda version you always see on the fear mongering news headlines about ADHD. but have come to terms twith the realisation it more a case of all the bottled up emotions constantly spilling over and me instinctively taking it out on everyone else (i physically couldn't control myself during my outbursts) instead of taking it out in the form of self harm. at some point you give up caring, turn cold and distant, stop trying to control or stop outbursts from the constantly overflowing bottle and realise you cant trust anyone or feel safe anywhere. you dont seek help cause in the back of your mind youre assuming theyll treat you like everyone else, or just throw you on seemingly random drugs to artificially make things better instead of actually helping your mental state. you start acting much like damien did at the start, just acting weirder in the hopes people will at the very least leave you the hell alone for once. there was multiple times i was at my snapping point where i grabbed knifes and questioned weather to do everyone a favor and use them on myself, or whether to give them what they deserve and use them on others. it was ridiculously obvious both at school and at home i wasnt mentally well... i purposely made it clear... cause i was hoping someone had the balls or cared enough to offer the help i didnt have the confidence or trust to get myself. legit, it took me writing extremely concerning fb posts threatening to do some of the things that had been running through my mind for 2-3 years at that point and someone from my school seeing that and reporting it to one of my teachers for anyone to give half a shit. granted the councillor couldn't do much when they forced me to go a couple of times cause there was still that thought of "i cant open up itll probs be used against me" and "how do i know i can trust them, how do i know they arent like everyone else" so i couldn't open up and just gave purposely vague answers so i wouldn't have to deal with potential arguments at hope or anything else. but even just sitting there in the quiet one on one still helped more than i could realise at the time. being next to someone who doesnt treat you like you're a burden on society that never should've been born. and the fact they didn't just immediately give up when i wouldnt communicate and let me sit there for a bit and get a break for the hell scape that was school... i didnt realise it at the time but they became one of the few people i felt i could trust at that shithole, even tho i never opened up she was one of the very very few people i was always happy to see on the school grounds. sooo yea, while youre right we cant expect everyone to learn everything and we cant expect everyone to feel safe in every situation, just showing someone you aint scared of them or arent gonna treat them like everyone else does goes a long way to helping people like damion. and could give them that confidence or trust boost they need to ask for help. of course dont put yourself in an unsafe situation or anything but like yea, showing that kinda bit of kindness or equality or whatever, could be that one little gesture that makes them rethink doing something drastic and taking everyone around them along for the shitshow.

[@user-pe9qg3hg3k]

I will never recover from that sponsor you did a few months ago, the pump. It absolutely killed me

[@LathropLdST]

Now I am curious.

[@novalinnhe]

@@LathropLdST Lol I don't know what video it was but it was AMAZING, hands down one of the best integrated ads I have ever seen. I am pretty sure it was on one of the older Earth 2 or Chronicles of Elyria videos. I don't want to spoil it for you but if you treat yourself to watching through some of Kira's old video series, you will find it :)

[@davideassis87]

_"All it takes is one bad tea party to reduce the sanest man alive to lunacy."_ - JoUKer

[@harrydbastard]

Or a massive amount of drugs

[@oz_jones]

_'tis a magic trick, innit?_

[@kazumablackwing4270]

@@harrydbastard yep.. spice, K2, etc is no joke, especially since there was very little regulation on it when it was legal, and even less so now that it's not. The dude who originally discovered the compound that would go on to be used in such things has found himself in a bit of an Alfred Nobel situation...he thought his discovery would go on to advance science and better society as a whole, but instead it became far more destructive than he could have imagined

[@jiujitsusean]

Imagine if there was another unstable man dressed as Batman in the same town and they were constantly going at each other 😂

[@Leighlol24]

I have lived in Nottingham my whole life, EVERYBODY here knows the joker ahah, he was acting weird and incoherent towards me and my friends under the derelict bridge next to Broadmarsh once lmao, great vid btw, just to let you know its pronounced 'wool-a-ton hall' not 'woll-an-ton hall' amazing vid nonetheless. learnt some things about my own city that I didnt know before so thanks :)

[@fonkysausage546]

got so mad when he pronounced it wollanton

[@sashagreen2784]

Some one actually said that thank you

[@mkhachfe]

Fascinating video K. Never heard of him. Very unfortunate story for everyone involved. I feel sorry for damion and the guy he injured.

[@MagicalMedic]

Interesting change in pace for your channel, more in line with something I'd expect to see on Coffeehouse Crime or MrBallen. Love your presentation! Thanks for bringing this story to folks' attention.

[@LaserStorm117]

I appreciate you making this into a comic book.

[@TheJunnutin]

It was a nice touch!

[@Alex-cw3rz]

This shows how we need to have better funded mental-health services

[@FTZPLTC]

It does, but at the same time, it sounds like he was refusing treatment, so I don't think more funding would've really helped.

[@Haimi-fv5xj]

@@FTZPLTC I disagree on that front. Patients refusing treatment is also an issue that can be solved with better healthcare... And the destygmatization of these types of treatments. It wouldn't have guaranteed for our real life joker specifically, that he would take his meds, but it sure as hell would've improved the odds.

[@pwill4real855]

@@FTZPLTC I can agree... but this is usually common with the severely mentally ill. The saying "crazy people don't know they're crazy" is very true. It'd be the same as telling a sane individual they're psychotic... they'd be skeptical. Sadly, helping the mentally ill sometimes means involuntary intervention.

[@lightningonlycommentsonce5824]

You can fund it all you want but who are you going to blame when they constantly refuse treatment? Then once forced to undergo much needed treatment people cry invasion of privacy and so on.

[@FTZPLTC]

@@Haimi-fv5xj - Honestly, I'm not sure what better care can be offered to someone who chooses to self-identify as a villain and has shown consistent intentions to act like one. I can't think of a solution that doesn't involve open ended institutionalisation, and I'm guessing that people who are mad about him being in prison wouldn't like that much better. One of the problems with our attitude towards mental health is that people often fail to see the person through the illness. And tbh, this guy sounds like a massive asshole who happened to have a mental illness.

[@themadplotter]

There was a guy near me who had a Chelsea smile, he used to skate around with a mask on before it was popular.

[@onizuka]

this comic style editing and video is downright amazing kira. great fucking job!

[@jamieknight6689]

I live in Nottingham I seen him a few times he always spoke to me nicely and complained about the broken System and how it's let him down. And he has a lot of mental health issues. I really hope that he gets the help he needs

[@ekay4495]

Great video, nice to see you doing other content rather than scams/kickstarters. You'll be big on KZbin soon enough

[@TotalDec]

For anyone that doesn't know: Most fake/synthetic weed is actually a stimulant (keeps people awake), and the high is so short it tricks people into using as much as they can. It's kinda like the counterpart to heroin.

[@Whowhytho]

I remember this lad! I would see him fairly often near the pubs I would go to with friends on mansfield road, one night he was doing card tricks for the punters outside. Its sad that his bad mental health got the better of him and that he went on to hurt others. I'd hear things about him from time to time but had no idea about the bowling ball incident! 😕

[@randallflagg3700]

I knew him back when he was heavily into body modifications, before he became the Joker... lad had huge stretched lobes, and even stretched his ear cartilage piercings, which was quite the oddity at the time. Funny tidbit, before the Joker phase, he wanted to be known as *"Killer Croc"* and, have to give props to the lad, he had decent cosplaying skills. He would often dress as the "pimp Croc", smoking cheap cigars and teach people card tricks. He's taught be 2 card tricks, that to this day I still impress people with, so thank you Joker/Killer Croc!

[@anthonyschwartz1084]

I feel bad for him. My biggest fear is that of insanity. Not death. Insanity.

[@clownrat5759]

Insanity is something one can always quell. Dementia, Alzheimer’s. Schizophrenia. Those are what you should really fear.

[@Karl_Marksman]

if it hits hard enough you won't notice either

[@merlith4650]

@@clownrat5759 but that's what insanity is generally defined as. Psychosis caused by mental illnesses or neurological disorders such as schizophrenia, etc

[@itsfine9136]

Insanity is incredibly freeing

[@itsfine9136]

@@SioxerNikita Glad I'm not one of them

[@EvanBear]

Just feel so sorry for everyone involved.

[@Haimi-fv5xj]

Thx for this video. Your work is going a long way into helping raise awareness for this issue, because, as good as Joker 2020 was, people move on and forget, especially if it doesn't concern them personally. Mental health still has ways to go, not just in the medical domain. 70 years ago we lobotomised patients in need of help, we've improved since then as a society, but not nearly enough if you look at the timeframe. For instance: higher ups at many corporations still don't deem mental healthcare to be something they should encourage/provide to their workers, because according to them, it doesn't boost productiveness. It's truly a saddening thing, and I hope us new generations will be more sensible as a whole to this issue, so we can force change.

[@osmo_sian]

I live in an area that has a high amount of spice users, and I'd say most of them are struggling with mental illness. I hate how it always gets to this point, where they're addled out of their brain and commit offences and then instead of getting them the psychological help they need they're shoved in prison. Preventative mental health action would stop it getting this far. Mental health intervention is crime prevention.

[@novalinnhe]

Great comment.

[@EJB8803]

So correct. And at this point, I really do not understand why they put him in prison instead of a mental health institution. He is much more likely to get the care he needs in a mental health institution. Already failed on providing the care for prevention, now a failure in the making in regards to rehabilitation, and one that will lead to more harm. Just brutal all around.

[@0816M3RC]

Best to avoid drugs.

[@DistrictWitch]

@@EJB8803 from what I know, beiing from the same city, he was put in psych wards many a time. Doesn't always 'work' does it?

[@dermotbyrnemusic]

Each one of your documentaries is better than the last !

[@foggy_nights]

"You will be released when the danger has subsided" good thing the system has no incentive to actually get him help and will cycle him back into the system

[@ajoajoajoaj]

The part about the city worker Mark Poyser needing to carry a card with him to explain his odd behaviour, just like Arthur Fleck. How cruelly sardonic life can be.

[@ageoflove1980]

I think this is sadly ironically a lot like the story of The Joker by Joaquin Phoenix. This guy is clearly suffering from mental health issues and simply didnt get the help he needed with disastrous consuquenses for him and others. The bowling ball incident could probably have been prevented if the guy got proper treatment, treatment we all pay for with our tax money exactly to prevent things like this happening. Its in the end a sad story about the authoroties failing to help those in need.

[@TheMasterpiecePD]

I think that movie was based on this guy

[@bubba99009]

The guy didn't want treatment and we don't force treatment on people any more so this is the consequence of that policy, 70 years ago he would have been locked up for life long before it got to that stage.

[@ageoflove1980]

@@bubba99009 Not true: "Sectioning is when somebody is lawfully detained in hospital or a mental health facility under the Mental Health Act 1983. Someone can only be sectioned if they meet certain criteria, these are: Their mental health problem is so severe that they need urgent assessment and treatment. They are a danger to themselves or others due to their mental health."

[@bubba99009]

@@ageoflove1980 pretty hard to get a judge to agree with that and even if you do the institution will let them out based on their behavior while taking their meds which they won't comtinue to do after being let back out on the street. There's a reason the streets are absolutely full of mentally ill people. They have to do a pretty serious crime to get locked up in an institution for any length of time.

[@RP-dy5mu]

@@bubba99009 We don't force people? What is covid vaccine? Just barr him from all events/work/social gatherings and force lunatics to show proof they are taking their meds everywhere they go.

[@copperbadge1]

Yupp, that last line really sums it up. Something I wouldn't wish for even my worst enemy.

[@masterzoroark6664]

Sorry for the worker who got hit with the howling ball... I know a couple people who suffered concussions, one of them got their lifespan reduced due to it.

[@Knightly_Gamez]

My partner is from Nottingham and has told me lots of stories about the Joker. The best bit you missed about him lighting himself on fire, is when he jumped from his property he landed in the canal and was swimming down the canal ON FIRE!

[@chzybean]

I was an IV heroin/meth addict for years and the only people who ever freaked me out were the spice zombies. That stuff is enough to send even the most sensible of individuals into psychosis. I hope this gentleman gets the help he needs while incarcerated. Not sure what the penal system is like there, but I spent some time on a mandatory state-sponsored vacation myself and we definitely had mental health resources available to us. Medication was also mandatory and the goal was rehabilitation. I also doubt he'll have to fulfill the entire sentence, provided he behaves himself while there.

[@Finnegan-s-cake]

Did u OD and die?

[@chzybean]

@@Finnegan-s-cake Couple times, actually. Last time was what got me sober. Woke up to my fiance sobbing uncontrollably because he thought I was dead. Had to hit me with Narcan a few times to bring me back. Right after that we got clean. Going on 5 years now.

[@nutamaximilian3741]

You kept me in the seat whole video and the story hit hard DAMN!

[@cousinrolf871]

Damn, I didn't realize spice was an issue over in the UK these days. I remember back around 2010, in high school, some friends were doing it pretty casually every now and then. Then the state clamped down hard on it before I graduated, I think, because I haven't heard about it since. I wonder if this is a more potent version of that. Hope it all turns out alright soon

[@gamefreak2016]

0:20 “because I dress up and play make-believe I should be able to do what I want”

[@redwolf92]

be careful larping out there as the Joker laddie, you might get one of those famous Glasgow smile.

[@McBanditHope]

very cultured PFP you have there

[@0Ciju0]

Hmm, cool video. When I was younger I was OBSESSED with Batman in like 1992-1999 and I thought I knew all of the trivia around it; had no idea how Gotham had gotten its name until this video!

[@chuckycheeze505]

"Drop all charges" on the petition, should have used a thesaurus on that one

[@LienLeon]

I think most towns in the UK have had these kind of people for years but now the internet brings them to everyone's knowledge.

[@erisofterra8986]

Damn, looks like madness really is contagious- by vessel of bowling ball

[@CfOme]

Stole 2 boxes of Celebrations. Batman: You've gone too far, Joker.

[@kdjdjsj3645]

The joker was the worst thing to happen to strange white men since Anime and AR-15s

[@samhainnc9416]

It was Heath ledger's version that started all the psychos and cringe emo/goth/isolated kids to begin playing a persona of the Joker.

[@Noschool100]

Never really expect that I'd see 2 videos by 2 different creators I follow about in Gotham England in the same week

[@LKeet6]

good conclusion. people like to detach others and actions from ANY societal reasons and causes, this growing obession with individualism in our society. this guy clearly had huge issues, possibly partly caused by society, and certainly not helped by the authroities. i'm sure many would like to focus on the funny or shocking aspects of this story and only look to blame one person. the guy who got hit by the bowling ball was also let down by scoiety, as well as the perpertrator.

[@LKeet6]

@@tryingtotryistrying yours seems more of a philosophical point, mine feels like a political point. I would never suggest the world has ever been some kumbaya, everyone in it together, zeitgeist, but I would say that after the start of industrialisation, there was at least some effort made to improve people's rights, to provide for society as a whole, and then was another effort towards this around WW2, where you saw the likes of the Beveridge report in the UK and the new deal in the US. From the 80s onwards, we've seen completely unfettered capitalism, plus the advent of social media, and this has definitely (imho) lead to a "growing" sense of individualism in society. Something not starting from zero doesn't mean it isn't "growing..."

[@NotALiberalSoSkipTheScript]

I can dig your sentiment but this guy is a menace to others. He shouldn’t be allowed to walk free. He’s an awful person. After someone declares themselves “a villain” and recreationally styles himself as the most boring cartoonish villain with no redeeming qualities you can’t reach them. There’s no helping him.

[@LKeet6]

@@NotALiberalSoSkipTheScript I'm not seeking to absolve this guy of responsibility, and CERTAINLY not suggesting he shouldn't be in prison. I'm suggesting that a) we should ADD other responsibilities and factors and b) if something had been done sooner, he may not have been in prison, and the guy might not have had a bowling ball smash his head in, because the guy never would've completely lost his marbles, or would be getting support for his issues...

[@LKeet6]

@@tryingtotryistrying yes, I spot the cycles too. Many people like to think things have never been better, we're the richest we've been, technology, racism nearly gone, tolerant society, etc; but I think, whilst we don't have slavery anymore and obvious things like that, we're at a really extreme point, politically and culturally right now. And with the way things work, vested interests, the media, social media, it's the hardest it's ever been to force change to happen. The rich keep siphoning off money, and the middle and lower classes keep accepting it. I have friends with the same politics as me who think differently and think the tipping point will happen, so we'll see...

[@smittywerbenjagermanjensen5963]

@@tryingtotryistrying I think ya being a bit dramatic bro. You gotta look at it from every angle and understand that the bigger a society gets the less cohesion you’ll see. Instinctively humans love to divide up into like minded groups and fight opposing opinions. Those who oppose masks likely were of the opinion that the government was abusing power and that Covid was being blown out of proportion. On the other side you have the people happy to go along with it because they believe in working as a team and trade freedoms for community and comfort. It’s individualism vs community. I can see the validity in both sides and recognise that you will never be able to get every single person on earth to agree on something but that’s ok society can be flexible and survive those kinds of different views without resorting to removing opposition. I would also like to point out that the Nono virus has killed less people per year than the common cold. Don’t get me wrong I followed the community procedure for this virus but I still believe this whole shitshow was an overreaction.

[@bored588]

honestly, I dont know whats funnier, the "joker" or all the british slang, honestly yall know how to talk shit and sometimes it brutal, and i love it

[@ShieldMaidenJ]

Notts lass here, I remember seeing this guy! Always wondered what happened to him. Heckled me a few times

[@S0ulGh0st]

I never thought I'd see such a tragic event involving a bowling ball being reported in real life. That's so dark in such an horrible way. A gun shot would have been less dark....

[@DistrictWitch]

nottingham is known as crazy town/the whispering city - a lot of mad stuff happens here that is either put down to crazies or never spoken of. Usually the latter. The only small/medium sized city in the UK that had shootings everyday back in the 90s. Interesting place

[@meningen]

It really took a saddening twist at the bowling ball. Well narrated episode!

[@shadowingyou]

It's been a while since I last saw a video here. I hope all is well Kira, I know certain events you've mentioned from all the criticisms you've released previously were troublesome as to how others reacted.

[@DaRadicalCavy]

I have actually met this guy multiple times. He is mentally unwell but actually a really nice guy if you spend a few minutes to get to know to him. He was treated horribly by the local cops and council. Given no support and felt had no choice but to do what could to survive. The joker started as a way for him to make more money. Yet he was absolutely villanised by the local cops (who are awful and act outside the law on a regular basis) while most folk just let him be and didn't find any issues with him. It's a real sad story and one all to common at its core in Nottingham. Its an absolute awful place to live.

[@FTZPLTC]

You say he was fine if you just got to know him, but he committed a shitload of crimes. You can say he's a nice guy all you want, but if you commit crimes whenever people aren't nice to you, that's not something everyone else should just have to put up with.

[@DaRadicalCavy]

@@FTZPLTC I suspect if you were in his situation you would do the same. It's been proven beyond and rational standard that most crimes, especially the type he was convicted of, folk do because of a poor quality of life be it due to being homeless, going through a health crisis and needing money if in somewhere like the USA, being in poverty and facing raising rent/bills and addiction (which is a health issue and should be treated as such) that isn't to say that makes it right or even OK but that doesn't make you a bad person. I know many folk with records who are really nice folk and wouldn't hurt anyone without feeling threatened themselves but life has been hard and they made some mistakes. It's also the fact most folk didn't have to put up with him if you actually read my comment I'm clear most folk just avoided him and let him be. He was also very much treated as a criminal reguardless of how acted, which when that happens and you don't have any support it's very easy to just think that's what you are supposed to do and all you are good at. Which is clearly a factor from the first few seconds of the video. However if you have personally had anything to do with him I'd love to know but otherwise, I think having spent actually time with and around him I am better qualified to judge his character than nearly anyone on this comment section unless others who have met him as well come along later.

[@aweigh1010]

@@DaRadicalCavy There is a group of people who like committing crimes and it's just in their nature.

[@thetruestar6348]

@@FTZPLTC From every comment I’ve seen from people that actually have met this guy they all have said the same thing. He’s a nice guy but he’s clearly unwell and it’s not the locals fault for anything the system didn’t either lock him up earlier so he wasn’t a threat or keep him somewhere and try to get him some help.

[@joemengler1666]

love your stuff dude it’s relevant but not irritating

[@_kalia]

Damn, I didn't expect a youtuber I follow to cover the Joker. I've been on the tram with him before and heard about these things as they were going on, so sad that he was neglected like this instead of given the care and help he needs.

[@araneveritt1998]

same here. hopefully he's getting help.

[@nightforest1693]

This hits different because I used to live in Nottingham, I even attended Primary School there, before me and my mother left to come to London where I started my first Year of Secondary School. and I have never heard of this Case before until now!

[@macewindu4442]

I remember passing by this guy on my way to work. never spoke to him but he was noticeable. Glad I resisted the urge to wear my own Batman suit and confront him. I learned about the crimes later before they escalated, some of which may not have been reported. The persona he has embraced thrives on multiple victims and spreading chaos. The utmost priority should be protecting innocent targets as well as mental health assistance for him.

[@Lenariet]

The persona one embraces can but needn't be an indication of something. People cosplay weird or outright evil characters all the time, but only a tiny fraction actually acts erratically or like that persona. Even this guy sometimes seemed to have done relatively "normal" things too that random weirdos in the public tend to do like... well... asking for money. But being somewhat loud and such... or giving people unpleasant stares and stuff... even that isn't totally uncommon, not around where I live anyway. So essentially it's hard to tell where "random, weird homeless guy" starts and "random, genuinely dangerous guy" ends. Knowing the previous offenses of someone can help, but I don't have such information readily available on the weirdos that I run into in public. Also, in the case of The Joker, that character is so well-known and popular that if I ran into someone looking like that I'd take him - at first glance anyway - simply for an eccentric fan. So really, in many cases you need way more information on somebody to judge them fairly as far as their personality and potential danger to society goes, the portrayed persona alone tells you little to nothing in a society where some believe it to be cool and edgy to mimick evil characters.

[@macewindu4442]

@@Lenariet Very well said. My initial reaction to him when I knew very little was to join him in my Batman costume. I don't really have one, just to imply I was entertained by his presence. Only after learning about his anti-social incidents and a steadily increasing escalation did I get concerned, particularly as the victims tended to be random and a theme of spectacle similar to the Joker was forming. Seeing as joker is famous for mass murder - only then did my view change, which was based on evidence.

[@louispaulson2545]

Man, I used to see this guy all the time. He was always just walking up and down the street freaking people out

[@MrArgus11111]

I've been in a rehab and, for the most part, everyone seemed "fine". Except for one kid. He was talking to himself, being a loner, refusing conversation with others, meandering around constantly. His only interaction with others was in a raised voice, nearly a scream, demanding to know when lunch or dinner was or when he could "get out". At first we thought he was schizophrenic but later it turned out he was "recovering" from spice, k2, whatever you call it. He was completely unhinged and threatened many of us with violence for simply getting "in his way" or trying to speak to him. Eventually, much to everyone's relief, he was sent to a different, state controlled rather than private, facility. He was the only person there I was genuinely afraid of. Definitely avoid that stuff. It wasn't just him.

[@ElysetheEevee]

Lol was his name Von? I fell out with my best friend ten years ago because she was dating a completely unhinged maniac she later married who used spice constantly. Spice and weed. Weed isn't bad, per se, but for people like he abd I with bipolar, we have to be more careful with anything psychedelic or reality-changing in nature. He was also an untreated diabetic. Just all around ridiculous and horrible to be around. I highly doubt it's the same guy. It just sounded so much like him as you described lol.

[@MrArgus11111]

@@ElysetheEevee Nah I don't remember the guy's name if I ever even knew it. We just called him "K2" lol. No way he was your friend's bf because he was like 17 or something. Poor guy is probably screwed up for life at such a young age.

[@doggonemess1]

The picture of him at 0:50 looks exactly like the "Real Water" ad in Cyberpunk 2077.

[@elmowilcox]

Whatever the offense…if someone has been picked up 100 times and is still on the street, the government is on the hook for anything that happens.

[@stephanieamare]

10:47 - What's crazy is I was walking out of ASDA when the whole thing was happening. Whether he should be released or not is up for debate, but I hope he is getting some kind of care he needed long ago while incarcerated.

[@BriarLeaf00]

This is an incredibly sad story. Yet we see this type of thing time and time again on both sides of the pond as our societies and economies drive ever further into the pit of Austerity policies.

[@grumpy-dad3701]

Yes in Nottingham we have Gotham, the Joker and Wollaston hall was used as Wayne manor in batman.

[@aussieknuckles]

I remember seeing videos of this dude years & years ago, I always thought he would end up hurting someone or himself, and my assumptions were right.

[@rebelwithoutaclue9387]

He dropped a bowling ball wrapped in jeans on someone’s head 🤣. Talk about dedication to a roll 😂!

[@Sylentmana]

I'm a bit torn. Ys is one of my favorite JRPG franchises and I'm glad its getting more recognition. At the same time, I hate that its getting this recognition in the form of a mobile game.

[@ghagzor]

Did you try it? The whole time I'm like if it's not predatory and p2w I'll play it

[@Sylentmana]

@@ghagzor Not yet. I'll try it out when I get home, though I don't particularly like playing games on mobile to begin with.

[@TheFakeyCakeMaker]

the stories 😂😂😂😂😂 threatened to stab me with a flute 😂😂😂 "who's the Joker now?" 😂😂😂😂

[@Mediados]

"His mental health issues were ignored." The man was described psychotics, you can't help someone who will resist any attempt at doing so.

[@ElysetheEevee]

I'm not saying he didn't actively refuse to take them simply for not wanting to, but something many people don't take into consideration with severe mental illness is the fact that your reality is likely nothing like what most people see. That medication could've been poison to him as far as he knows, as he did seem to deal with some intense paranoia. Paranoia is very common in many mental illnesses (I suffer from bipolar, PTSD, and so on and many of them lead to paranoid thoughts and some delusions in stressful times). I feel like you and many others are taking in this information under the assumption that he has the same level of wherewithal that most typically healthy people do. That's just not the case at all, sadly.

[@0816M3RC]

@@ElysetheEevee Then institutionalizing is the only way to help him.

[@Bovver_Boy]

Been waiting for someone to cover this, cant believe that you did it, loool

[@Anomynous]

"The judge told Hammond: "You are a v olatile individual who will almost certainly offend again and it would be short-sighted of me if I were not to protect the public."" Welp, they managed to be short-sighted untill someone got crippled for the rest of his life...

[@rreceduncan1996]

Remember being on the tram and he ended up coming on and sitting across from me, and he was staring and doing the joker laugh

[@chrimony]

"society failed to help" What is "society" supposed to do? He was given medication he didn't take. He idolized a cartoon villain. Why doesn't he have personal responsibility?

[@CThyran]

After a certain point he shoulda been locked up for everyone's sake. That's the only real failing "society" had here.

[@totalermist]

> What is "society" supposed to do? Here's a hint: how about *not* letting a dangerous and unstable individual run free for over a decade? After a couple of incidents and convictions it should've been clear that this man was a threat to himself and others. Just ignoring that and applying the typical "out of sight, out of mind"-mentality (i.e. banning him from the city centre) is part of the reason things got this bad. > Why doesn't he have personal responsibility? For the same reason small children and drug addicts don't have (full) personal responsibility - their minds don't work well enough to allow them to. With children the reason is undeveloped brains, with mentally ill people and drug addicts it's broken minds - be that due to chemical damage from substance abuse, neurological issues, or a combination of both. I've had a friend of mine (brilliant guy) go down the path of mental issues and believe me, it's *very* hard to deal with (especially since friends and distant family have basically no legal power to do something) and *incredibly* easy to just abandon them and let them end up in a horrible situation and a downward-spiral. These people are simply incapable of getting control over their lives back and without outside help they are doomed to end up like the guy in the video. Luckily my mate had good friends who didn't give up on him and finally agreed to get temporarily institutionalised and get the help and medication he needed. Took almost two years, but he got better and made a full recovery. You simply *cannot* make any rational decisions if your mind is messed up (be that from drug abuse or due to medical issues).

[@CThyran]

@@totalermist So he should have been locked up sooner, good to know we're on the same page.

[@chrimony]

@@totalermist Society intervened as much as they could legally. He had meds he didn't take. Some people are just no good, and there is no helping them. Unless you're willing to lock people up like this in mental institutions forever, they are just ticking time bombs.

[@keonkla]

@@CThyran Kinda funny how the bleating cowards of mental health ingore this fact.

[@sticklyboi]

"has to wear a card explaining why his behaviour appears odd" WOW JUST LIKE JOKER

[@skrrrtityrrckity1269]

He just passed on the ill illness, didnt he

[@thonkked]

I can confirm this guy was an absolute nut case. Saw him a couple dozen times and every time was weirder than the other

[@SimmiesSchrauberChannel]

that Ys-online Game totally looked like a commercial for "The Legend of Zelda: Links Awakening" XD

[@Rzerecht]

Bossman you should really look into doing more of these type of stories. You put a lot of work in your videos and you're also a great storyteller :) Take a look at MrBallen, his channel is doing well.

[@jonsaun746]

Before i clicked on the vid i thought you'd put a joker filter on a nft/crypto dude lmao holy shiiiiiiitttttttttttt he's real!

[@JamieB34c]

I’m from Nottingham and seen him a few times 😂 I once seen him jump over the train barriers when they was down with a long coat. He looked the part 😂

[@knessing7681]

This is no different than the time (2008-2013) when dudes like him were dressing up like clowns standing on and walking up and down neighbourhoods being creepy and creeping people out.

[@0816M3RC]

Pretty sure that was like 5 to 6 years ago.

[@Lenariet]

This guy here seems genuinely messed up in brain and life though, weren't those clowns just basically bored kids?

[@knessing7681]

@@0816M3RC Could be too ... but during the g w bush - obama era this was happening too.

[@Michael-mt6yb]

Incredible video. Just realized 5 min you’re using a comic strip animation. Dope

[@Torchmanz]

"Society failed to help". Well, I'm of an opinion that you can only help someone who wants to be helped. We don't know the details of this man's interactions with healthcare workers. It's quite possible that he was given many opportunities to take a path towards a better life and just flat out rejected them.

[@CThyran]

Judging by the fact he was prescribed medicine it's all his fault it went the way it did. Society merely paid the price for not forcing him to take it.

[@ElysetheEevee]

I don't know. It's true we don't know how the interactions went. Saying it's "all his fault" and that "you can only help someone who wants to be helped" is partially true. However, people need to remember that personal reality for a lot of mentally-Ill people is severely different, and usually darker, than what others see. If you don't have the capacity to see the information as a source of help and care, and instead your delusions cause your perception to be that the authorities are trying to kill you, and that was literally your entire life, would you take them like you'd pop supplements in the morning? Perception is such a weird but all-encompassing thing. If your reality is so absolutely twisted that you can't see the things put in front of you as "help" and not "harm", then how would you effectively help yourself? You wouldn't. I'm not making excuses if he did just flat out refuse to take them while truly knowing what they were for. I'm simply giving an insight into how reality can be for those with severe paranoia and delusions. I've suffered paranoid episodes due to some of my stuff. Nothing that was quite as severe as some with schizophrenia suffer from, but enough to morph what I saw into something I wouldn't have normally accepted as reality. It's really difficult to imagine the full brunt of how this life would be for those who haven't experienced it in these specific cases. So you can make judgements and say you'd do things a certain way, but you just really don't know what you'd do. It doesn't take much at all to complete change how a person's brain interprets their reality. It really doesn't and that's the scariest part.

[@Lenariet]

@@ElysetheEevee Good comment. But what to do then? Clearly we can't have such individuals just roaming the streets freely, can we? Not if they are headed the direction this one was. We have to lock them up one way or another I guess, sooner than later. But that petition to free him shows that not everyone agrees with that harsh reality of it.

[@QQnowQQlater]

Not sure if you caught what you quoted or not... but "failed to help" usually means something bad happened, nobody did anything, and now it's too late for them. Any help offered to them would have been after the "failed to help" part, making it pretty moot to this guy, since... well, whatever happened, happened.

[@QQnowQQlater]

@@CThyran Like giving a baby some whiskey because they're crying and you want to watch tv? Can't help but notice you're also part of the problem, just like the guy in the video... "yo make this guy really drowsy so i can watch youtube."

[@jamesbeatty-wilson5290]

Dobby back under the stairs! *sprints for the front foyer*

[@everwake2689]

"Society made him like this..." No. Society asks people to work for a living and get along with their neighbors.

[@thebackgroundguy9491]

And when people have issues that inhibit their ability to function? "Fuck off, carry on."