The Entire Internet Owes Milana Vayntrub an Apology

This story may be an older one, but I do think it's still relevant to us today. This video covers the unethical treatment of Milana Vayntrub, known for playing 'Lily from AT&T', and when everyone decided to be h*rny at her for no reason. Burn the internet down I say
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[@KuncanDastner]

Okay it is VERY unfortunate timing that it's April Fools Day, but I'm not losing my year-long streak of uploading every week, so I'm posting it anyway. Harassment is no joke! Please ignore the date. :)

[@Grexsome]

Man, I didn’t even realize it was April Fools

[@roj6895]

omg amazing streak tho

[@moneyenlargmentpills]

i’d say this is actually very well timed as april is sexual assault awareness month

[@DevjKaiser]

I didn’t realize it was April Fools Day because all of 2020 was a horrible joke and it hasn’t stopped yet 😭

[@lovelylipbonesouwwwwwwwolv2198]

Noice vid

[@carbunk7933]

redditors on their way to call someone defending a victim of sexual harassment a simp:

[@blackpinksratpleasesendhel987]

Ughhh I hate that word sometimes, they literally misuse that. Defending someone doesn't make you a simp smh it's called being a decent human being

[@MildMisanthropeMaybeMassive]

Naw…Reddit is full of normies it’s gonna be the chuds from halfchan and fullchan that will be responsible. They have been obsessed with her for years and she shows up all the time in their threads.

[@novabusboy7331]

@@blackpinksratpleasesendhel987 what do you expect from 10 years old from Reddit?

[@Mondomeyer]

Simp is apparently an abbreviation of simpleton. I love the irony.

[@sonic6866]

@@novabusboy7331 i dunno maybe human decency but okay:)

[@organizedchaos7504]

Milana is a Soviet refugee from Uzbekistan, she created a nonprofit back in 2016 initially to help Syrian refugees, I’m Syrian so I’ve always held her close to my heart, this is awful, the callousness towards her is painful knowing of her compassion. Her non-profit is called “can’t do nothing” now they assist refugees globally, seems like she was unshakable.

[@lorianabanana6066]

Such a lovely person using her fame & success towards a truly good cause. I'm not an immigrant or a refugee, but many of my family members are. My grandma & her family have a Romani background & had to flee right before WWII. Other family members came here seeking political asylum or just running from poverty & famine. I'm so glad that you found safety & I truly wish more people cared about this issue. ❤

[@anna-tn8mg]

Well, this prostitute needed a cover for prostitution and she came up with this. It is a known fact that Hollywood trash uses "causes" as cover up..

[@anna-tn8mg]

@@lorianabanana6066 Sure she is. Cretins think so.

[@anna_banana414]

the fact that there’s people (men) continuously commenting about her body while she’s literally CRYING and asking them politely to stop is disgusting. and there were people saying “it’s a compliment” ??? like all of them are disrespectful and gross but the ones telling her that it’s just a compliment really make me upset. like ???? if you’re gonna compliment someone, just say “hey you’re really pretty” or something that’s not straight up “lemme suck those mommy milkers” like wtf is wrong with people?? it’s giving me the same vibe of people who cat call women then say “chill it was a compliment!” when the woman calls them out. like can’t people compliment women without specializing or dehumanizing us??? i mean she POLITELY said she was uncomfortable with it, and wanted people to stop, yet so many people still continued on with their comments. it’s sickening

[@kaitlinwade1027]

I felt the same way seeing the "it's a compliment" comment. It is absolutely NOT a compliment, the purpose of a compliment is to make someone else feel good, not dehumanize them for your own pleasure

[@BippleTack]

She was literally so kind about it too like, just for a second can you just listen to her feelings instead of objectifying her

[@RazanIsMe]

It's basically cat-calling online

[@trent7736]

@@RazanIsMe exactly so she could've just ignored them or get off the live

[@RazanIsMe]

@@trent7736 shut up!! So we should just not us the internet because of these idiots? What's next? Don't walk in the streets if you don't want to get cat-called, or don't have social media so men who harass can't reach you? Or just don't have a phone?? Tell me! what's next??

[@jemmitt21]

Those who say “but they’re just compliments!” Missed the mark and sound just like my slightly racist white uncle

[@Ooffoop]

@@alexanderhay7358 also literally no one was saying that. obviously non white people can be racist Stop complaining that a black comedian made a light jab at white people

[@silent-hills]

@@alexanderhay7358 no one said that in this comment…I think you’re projecting LOL

[@keggerous]

Except they are just compliments... some go a little far and become crass but to act like this is a big issue is puritanical bullshit. Calm your tits.

[@cuckoobrain7999]

@@keggerous Imagine calling sexual harassment compliments? You sound like the kind of person who defends cat calling

[@seven-ft6qz]

@@keggerous did you even watch the video ?

[@MadeleineSwannSurreal]

There's so much casual sexism online and in real life, and when you complain about it you're the problem or you 'can't take a joke.' I'm glad I found your channel, this was good!

[@shannonlee4622]

Yup!!!! When we call out this behaviour ourselves we get ignored. That's why it's so important for allies like kuncan to talk about these things.

[@MarieForest]

Yeah! This mentality just lets men sexually harass women and hide behind a “joke”.

[@milesmungo]

@@MarieForest Just men?

[@jjr5453]

or a “it’s a compliment “ there are so many excuses that try to justify sexual harassment and assault especially towards women

[@jjr5453]

@@milesmungo mostly men

[@tianasao]

I find it really sad that in the footage of her IG live you could see that even when she tried to explain how uncomfortable she felt, there were still people in the chat completely ignoring that and still doing the very thing that makes her uncomfortable. Also, I had no idea people were using the milk emoji that way. Milk really has no redeeming quality, clearly.

[@KuncanDastner]

I will not rest until the milk emoji is removed I will make this my dying mission

[@milesmungo]

@@KuncanDastner Don't you think that will just result in the adoption of a different emoji(s)? Eg.🍈🍈, 🍒, 🍑, 🏀, 🐮, 🐄.

[@SuperRat420]

not people, men. Call it out. Name it.

[@roburt8528]

The chat was horrible, they were completely ignoring what she was saying.

[@KuncanDastner]

It was horrible to watch! I feel very bad for her

[@biggaylol5438]

I saw like maybe two comments that were telling everybody else to stop...

[@ikindoflikemangoes4951]

That live stream made me feel sad, you can tell she was hurt by it

[@stevenj2717]

Yeah, I actually felt really uncomfortable watching that clip of her stream. Most people completely ignored her and/or said MORE creepy things. There was a heavy nonconsensual vibe which made my skin crawl. Women are over sexualized in the media, even if they aren't flaunting anything nor have any desire to.

[@selena1731]

another thing to add, when women try to defend others, we get dragged as well. we get gaslit "oh its a compliment. no its not bad. you are just jealous cuz shes hot."

[@allyf757]

And then when men do it they get called simps or pick me’s, like what was said at the end of the video. It’s all very calculated to invalidate anyone opposing harassment as if were the ones in the wrong 😶.

[@angelinprasad5295]

I know what you're talking about. They're two excuses are is a compliment, and she wears that kind of clothes so she deserves it. Like tf. She didn't give you instructions to harass her like this.

[@captainjoy8976]

Best comeback if you're gay or bi: " No, I just am crushing on her but van do it respectfully not like you perv" or something.. I forgot my initial comeback..

[@JSargeK]

Wait did people actually make the "she's wearing revealing clothing" argument? Like besides the fact that argument is already dumb af, she is wearing like a button up shirt in the commercials. Like its business casual. These are like the same people that cause workplace harassment to be such a problem because it doesn't actually matter what the woman was wearing if the guy is a perv.

[@msrustyspatula8679]

I think they were referring to the clothes she had pictures of on her instagram.

[@JSargeK]

@@msrustyspatula8679 you know what, you're probably right. I still think its a dumb argument, but it makes marginally more sense.

[@gateauxq4604]

It might have been on her personal IG but it was her PERSONAL IG. She’s a frickin actress. Have any of the spokesdudes gotten this treatment? Yeah, no.

[@JSargeK]

@@gateauxq4604 exactly

[@박수연-w1t3l]

I used to work at Subway, and a coworker of mine told me that I had to stop distracting him with my clothing. I wore a t-shirt and jeans.

[@itsgabibelle]

unfortunately people will not take women seriously when we bring things like this up, having men also stand up for us is, unfortunately, what we need also. to hold each other accountable

[@itsgabibelle]

aka, thank you for talking about this :)

[@stonefox9124]

Men don't take this seriously cuz women don't take this serious. "I'm going to ware clothing that displays my body in a provocative way and act surprised when people notice or comment on it". The hypocrisy... And no he doesn't know all these comments were men, there is no gender status on utube profiles... Sense he lied he doesn't take this seriously either.

[@user-ye6fp7kl1o]

@@stonefox9124 Women can wear revealing clothing if they want because that's what they feel confident in and like wearing, and saying that it's their fault men perv on them is victim blaming. Not to mention there are plenty of situations in which a woman can be wearing full clothing and still have men making comments on their bodies regardless of what they're wearing. Instead of telling women they shouldn't wear revealing clothing and saying it's their fault when some man sexually harasses them, men should fucking learn how to control themselves and keep those thoughts to themselves and not act on it. It's not that hard to not sexually harass women or make needles and often times disgusting comments about their bodies.

[@drama-fetus]

@@stonefox9124 imagine blaming women for wearing things their comfortable in instead of taking responsibility for your own actions, genuinely, do us a favour and shut up.

[@mikaeruu0309]

@@stonefox9124 imagine if men were treated like this everytime they walked around shirtless or on a tank top.. the lady wasn't even wearing revealing clothing, I don't wear revealing clothing, and yet things like this still happen. Read the room.

[@skylitesubliminals]

“We know it’s not all men, the problem is we don’t know which fucking ones it is” !!! Yes I will be reusing that, thank you!

[@trees____383]

i just go “not all men but all women”. i genuinely don’t know one woman or girl who hasn’t been touched in a bad way or met with an uncomfortable “joke”

[@skylitesubliminals]

@@trees____383 I like that one as well! It puts it into the realistic prospective unfortunately

[@BippleTack]

I completely agree with this and understand, most reasons I see people use “not all men” is to tell people to not generalize an entire group of people because that leads all men looking like monsters, and to the men just looking into it makes them think that the women are being sexist and will probably think “they don’t care about me so I wont care about them” Either those or they’re dirt bags looking to stir things up

[@skylitesubliminals]

@@BippleTack Yeah, men who know they’re not a horrible being don’t get offended by that saying bc they know they don’t fall into it & they’re aware of how many do!

[@BippleTack]

@@skylitesubliminals well not really, I personally get hurt by it because it just feels unfair to get generalized, it’s a lot easier to understand someone when they’re being specific so instead of saying men it would be easier to understand if they said some men or something like that, especially as a person with special needs it slips past my head and it only makes me feel bad instead of educating me on the topics

[@SuperMustache555]

we need to stop nonconsensual comments on women’s bodies. it’s literally sexual harassment in this case. it’s a lot like on tiktok when people say “omg you’re so brave” when an overweight girl posts a video. it’s so backhanded and disgusting and mean

[@KuncanDastner]

I've seen that exact same behavior, it's very distressing to see people needlessly making others uncomfortable

[@benfletcher8100]

It’s like when people point out women who are “fearless” like women can’t just be fearless in general? They have to do big things to be considered fearless?

[@BlakeGeometrio]

@I’m Too Kind for This Nonsense True.

[@psychegoddessoflight9358]

@I’m Too Kind for This Nonsense Errrm, is it really, though? I’d say, as a brown woman, being HUMAN is hard, and we all have our struggles. Being a woman comes with plenty of advantages and disadvantages, which are highly dependent on individual circumstances (as with all things).

[@cryofpaine]

@@psychegoddessoflight9358 as a white guy, looking at everything women go through, yes it's hard being a woman. Yes everyone has problems. But all other things being equal, people from marginalized demographics will always have it harder.

[@ethanchung3620]

This was a great take about this situation, love to see someone use their platform to address this kind of online behavior.

[@KuncanDastner]

Thank you for saying so! I wish I saw more creators talk about this without feeding into the problem

[@Madamecat7]

Honestly, I didn't even know this was happening. I'm so sorry that she went through this. ☹

[@eat_pray_porg8450]

@@Madamecat7 - Same! I'm just not as connected to social media as others are, so I had no idea this had happened. It sucks that Milana (or anyone else for that matter) has had to go through something like this.

[@secretgirlnow]

"I don't want footage of me saying that to exist" Alright Duncan "Trump is my daddy" Kastner

[@KuncanDastner]

Oh god I need to be more careful about who I mock, that clip doesn't look too good out of context

[@bogdaddy]

@@KuncanDastner i think coolsville sucks

[@iluvkirby7430]

I feel like the guys who are all “no one likes me, girls are all the same, why does nobody date me, etc.” are the ones objectifying and catcalling women and get offended when called out

[@autohmae]

As someone who has been thinking about this for a while, I think it's a chicken and egg problem with social skills and not having sexual partners earlier in life maybe going so far as say sexual frustration. And a lot of the time it's a vicious circle and becomes worse instead of it getting better because a lack of contact with women and not knowing how to act.

[@Konoronn]

No.

[@SuperMustache555]

i’m really glad you’re making a video about this. i think this casual sexual harassment needs to have a bigger spotlight because it is such a major issue. i think people fail to realize that there’s a person behind every ad, behind every post. people need to stop commenting about people’s bodies unless they literally request it, plain and simple.

[@tn420animations9]

I wish I comments from time to time I think I'm ugly

[@kawaiic418]

@@tn420animations9 I'm sure you're lovely! You might not see it now because it does take work to learn to love yourself, but I'm sure you'll get there one day! :)

[@miaa1762]

THIS. "She's really pretty!" ≠ what these people are doing. Some people act like animals, I swear.

[@TinyGhosty]

"I don't only defend people that I am attracted to, because my parents raised me right." You handle these kind of conversations very well and you get down to the root of the issue without attacking anyone. A HUGE issue regarding sexism and casual sexism online is the idea that men only care or defend women that are attractive. Respect for other people should never be tied to how you view them physically, that is just so backwards. Plus it doesn't even shield attractive women from hate because in the end their attractiveness is often used against them. No woman is safe when men act like respect is linked to their attractiveness.

[@RazanIsMe]

**applause**

[@lovelylipbonesouwwwwwwwolv2198]

*Applause*

[@currybread5298]

I mean it's disgustingly common for people to behave worse towards not conventionally attractive people.. for example not care about them, not helping..

[@baloo8151]

I’m a teenage girl and I’m kinda scared to grow up because of this. I’m also scared of being objectified on social media. Even now when I’m in school some guys make such gross comments towards girls and I really hate it. I can’t even imagine what they comment on social media. I have a lot of respect towards you. Thank you for making this video 🙃

[@extratao50]

I started to get gross comments from men since i was 11, bc i'm always looked "grown" or some bullshit, they don't even let you get older 💀💀💀

[@liambrewerpowerlifting]

@@extratao50 11? Jesus christ

[@flames4856]

@@extratao50 10-11 is when men started to touch me all weird and making very weird comments. I hope one day we girls and women can just live without harassment

[@softkj7612]

Yeah, that’s one of the saddest things about this whole issue, that as a girl or a woman, you don’t really need to “grow up” to be subjected to this kind of behavior.

[@Cescestreu]

Me too, a classmate of mine sexually assaulted me when I was ten, and I’ve been experiencing harassment from peers since. I started hanging out with better people, so it’s stopped right now, but I’m just so worried that the older I get, the more often it’ll happen, that I’ll get comments about my body.

[@SniffyTugBoat]

having grown up in the weeb community, this type of fixation is common among character with bodacious measurements. it's objectively crossing a line when you apply the same level of zealous and fanatical admiration to an actual human. also why didn't AT&T just turn off comments?? why are comments on on a video that's just a commercial?? music accounts consistently have their comments turned off, why do corporate accounts keep theirs on?? what's the benefit to that level of interaction??

[@KuncanDastner]

I completely agree, fictional characters is one thing but real people shouldn't be referred to this way! AT&T absolutely could've done more, the whole scenario is a hot mess

[@kendrajahnea]

More comments = more interaction = more views

[@phelony3973]

Atnt loved the attention

[@brigade7678]

I know its 9 months later but thats exactly the position I came from as someone who was in fandom my entire life. You're plenty used to seeing that "fanatic" behavior for fictional characters and may even participate (Lady D from resident evil had us all saying mommy for months) and I truly find that stuff very very funny in fandom I'll admit. Yet to see it toward a human makes me pull inward to cringe then eventually to just get extremely uncomfortable. Its horrible to watch her hold back tears on live to try and connect to others the simple concept of "I am a real human being, please stop". I think plenty of those men would crumple irl from the shame of their behavior (some wouldn't of course, they most likely do lack active empathy as its a critical thinking skill you have to be taught & practice) But its even easier online for people to cut off emotional ties and view the human as "not real" and do terrible things. There is an intense quality to the internet, that has only increased during the pandemic lockdowns, of struggling to separate real and fictional people. Its all mangled together, especially in fandoms based around celebrities. People didn't have easy access to the friends cast in the 90s, but now you can sit in a stream with Dream or join the live chat for an Insta famous person and have direct contact to them. Less and less separation between you and a star, less and less distinction between real/fake, and it leads to some really disturbing behaviors.

[@PhantomFandoms]

Funny thing about why the tmobile girl had such a drastic switch, after the commercial where she was all pure and stuff, one of the other companies (cant remember which one) came out with a commercial mocking her and making her look like a desperate housewife and just mocking the company via mocking her. To counter back, they changed up her whole thing and made her badass in order to counter the "hey were not just a helpless housewife like you guys are trying to make us out to be".

[@KuncanDastner]

Oh that's so cool! I had no idea there was such an interesting backstory

[@TheSlipperyNUwUdle]

Ya know what this low key reminds me of? The way people hyper sexualize Abby Shapiro. I personally do not agree with Ms. Shapiro on basically any politics at all. But calling her Mommy Milkers is honestly kind of gross. I won’t even say I ever questioned it until today. But now that I think about it, it’s kind of messed up.

[@philb707]

Never knew about her did a quick Google search. 👀 thanks for the alleyhoop

[@thesevenkingswelove9554]

honestly same, i mean can we just stop attacking women's body? and stop degrading them? ik why we all hate Abby Shapiro but why do people have to be hypocrite and start se6ualizing because of her v1ews on a topic. her v1ews on a topic are se8ist but people who are se9ualizing are hypocrites as well because that is objectifying women.

[@MildMisanthropeMaybeMassive]

They’re the same deplorables responsible. They are the chuds from halfchan, fullchan, and kiwifarms dehumanizing these figures. Go on these sites and you’ll see that they are absolutely obsessed with Milana and Abby.

[@TheSlipperyNUwUdle]

@@MildMisanthropeMaybeMassive even people that are generally very left (even socialists) like Vaush make weird comments about her body. It’s just gross. If she doesn’t want to be sexualized then we should stop commenting on her body. She’s gross and her views are gross. But we don’t make a good case for ourselves when “don’t sexualize women that don’t want you to” only extends to people you like.

[@danielledantz1657]

I’m really glad AT&T modified what they were doing so she could keep working and starring in commercials. I feel like a lot of companies would have fired her and been done with it.

[@danieljensen2626]

I don't think AT&T actually did anything. She basically just rewrote her own commercials to protect herself.

[@tigerstripedsinger]

Imagine if instead of making all these degrading comments about her body the obsession with her beauty had turned into a positive explosion of attention of affection. Thousands of sweet comments on her pictures like "😍 queen", a flurry of interest in her activism, a bunch of support for her acting, that result has happened before with internet hyper focus and it is equally funny for those involved but treats the subject as a person and with empathy. "It's a compliment" is completely wrong, this is nothing like a compliment

[@philb707]

🤣🤣🤣 you live in a fantasy world

[@thesevenkingswelove9554]

@@philb707 no we live in a real word and cyber bullying that cause consequences

[@philb707]

@@thesevenkingswelove9554 an if they face consequences they deserve but let's stop acting like it's a perfect world an all you're going to get is comments you want

[@doccanigetsomecandy7809]

@@philb707 ok phill, no one said you were coming. 🥰💗💖 this world, this fantasy isn't for you. 💕

[@gentlesnot1864]

This mainly happens with men. Like keanu reeves or beetlejuice, they are praised. Which isnt a bad thing

[@SamGlaze]

I was going to say something about how these people probably wouldn’t say that sort of thing if they saw someone attractive in real life so why do they think it’s okay on the internet - then I remembered that people do say that kind of shit to complete strangers in real life because the world is a stupid place

[@KuncanDastner]

Yes, unfortunately if people continuously behave one way online they're more likely to try and test that behavior out in public spaces

[@autohmae]

My guess is it's a lot worse online, but I think in this case their was a whole group dynamic kind of like a viral meme going on as well.

[@yoink2068]

It’s really crazy how people will call you a simp for defending someone, and claim you only do it for her attention while they leave these comments hoping that she will make a response or at&t will give them attention with a comment. Seems like they are projecting their emotions.

[@benjaminrobinson7203]

Hey youtube: Kuncan is doing a good job.

[@solita.s6896]

Hey youtube: I agree with this message ^

[@Ollie_nel]

"we all know that it's not literally every man who does this, the issue is that we don't know which fucking ones." Every single person who says "not all men" has to hear this quote.

[@sylviebird]

As a woman I had no idea this was happening. I feel horrible for her. Thank you for standing up for her because sadly men really don't listen to us regarding this topic so I'm happy you know your demographic and hopefully this video will affect somebody enough to not harass someone or maybe bare minimum delete their old comments

[@micaiah783]

im sorry for milana she needs an apology

[@KuncanDastner]

The amount of apologies she deserves is astronomical, they really put her through hell

[@21sled]

She doesn’t need an apology, we’re past that. She needs time to heal.

[@caseywilde7931]

@@21sled I'd say she needs both tbh

[@firstnamelastname153]

@@21sled you can have both bestie

[@benfletcher8100]

People were so horrible to her. Sure, she’s extremely attractive but she didn’t deserve the entire internet spamming her streams and posts with “milkies” and shit

[@yoink2068]

Titanfall 3 ftw

[@ghost_fishhh]

I feel so bad for her. As another woman and a minor at that I know how awful this is. Reasons like this are why I refuse to have any pictures of myself online. People (mostly men) think when women post pictures it’s for attention or to show off. And sometimes it is. And that’s OK! Women should be free to post a picture wether it be for fun and because they feel good or for attention! But that doesn’t give anyone the right to over sexualize and fetishize them. This woman wasn’t doing these adds to show off her body. She was doing them to get by and get work! And even if she was she didn’t deserve those comments. I really hope more people speak out about this. Thank you for doing so. And to anyone who left a comment like that to ANY women you need to go take a hard look at yourself.

[@KuncanDastner]

There is absolutely nothing wrong with posting pictures of yourself for attention! (Personally I also love attention) and you're absolutely right, it doesn't give people the right to comment on their bodies!

[@Amero2323]

@@KuncanDastner uh, I can easily think of situations in which there absolutely IS something wrong with posting pictures of yourself, in a public forum, solely for the purpose of garnering a strangers' reaction. This is the problem with you, and lotsa other young people out there: you'll take a hard-line stance on one thing, then FORCE yourself to adopt even more extreme viewpoints on related topics.

[@KuncanDastner]

@@Amero2323 Do you not know what consent is

[@Amero2323]

@@KuncanDastner First of all, you need to be commended for not coming off like a condescending prick. Secondly, you were correct to assume that I don't know many words, as I'm barely literate. I see now that you were right about everything, and I rescind my previous comments. Thanks for taking the time to explain your position in such a way that even I could comprehend.

[@Seljuqqq]

This is a truly disgusting thing. The objectification of women today (especially unwanted from the said women) is getting worse and more disgusting everyday. This topic definitely needs more attention than is currently brought to it. Thank you for stepping up and confronting this issue. We need more people like you in the world. God bless.

[@tn420animations9]

I stay away from people in general out of fear I would make them uncomfortable because of anxiety and poor social skills and my mannerisms I'll come off like creep to them. I'm really self aware about it. In my mind I think these women think I'm one of these people you are talking about that objectifies idk. The key is to isolate.

[@stonefox9124]

So women can objectify themselves by what they ware but men can't comment on it? Equality my a** when u post online ur fair game, dont accept these terms? Dont post. I have plenty of mean things said to me online, grow up and move on!

[@deloreslena5422]

@@stonefox9124 she had thousands of people all at once making sexual comments about her body, and majority on those comments were mostly posted on ads featuring her in business casual outfit. this isn't a case of a woman posting risqué photos shes proud of online, its a case of a woman just doing her job and receiving a lot of out of pocket comments sexualizing her. I dont see whats fair about the treatment she received

[@stonefox9124]

@@deloreslena5422 do ur homework! This started from provocative post! It wasn't from the commercials! Google the photos! Then once that got out they continued with her commercials. It's not right but it's her fault as well.

[@stonefox9124]

@@deloreslena5422 one photo she posted she was in the bathroom, a pic of a really nice dress that showed a TON of cleavage and a black choker collar. Another was of her at some party, like celebrity gathering, shoulder less dress, again tons of cleavage and she had her tongue handing out like she was about to take a "load"... She dressed in a way that drew attention to her breast and that's exactly what everyone focused on just as intended. U post anything online ur opening urself up for this kind of thing, PERIOD, Many people have received far more for far less but let's feel for her cuz she is a celebrity. The hypocrisy is off the charts.

[@LittleFugueFlute]

That man in the livestream saying "it's a compliment" has me wanting to let the human race die out

[@bee_8837]

Really sad that this is the way the internet works, you’d think after it happens to separate people time and time again, with the same response of ‘please stop’, people would.

[@KuncanDastner]

Boy it sure would be nice if people on the internet considered each others feelings without calling it cringe, there'd be a LOT less fighting

[@chebic5095]

Danny Gonzalez fan?

[@WormBeetle]

The reason the most vast amount of women don’t objectify other women is because we know how it feels and that’s concerning

[@shatnerhasselhoff]

It’s because you’re not attracted to them, durr.

[@Ewiwwi]

@@shatnerhasselhoff gay ppl exist tho 💀💀💀

[@Losabias111]

No offense but the vast majority of women does objectify other women they just dont say it in public or with other women

[@elpueblonomuere]

@@Losabias111 and if you yourself are not a woman, how would you even know that?

[@lilgorgo]

@@shatnerhasselhoff as a bisexual woman I can assure you that it is possible to exist while being attracted to all people without objectifying anyone at all. It's really so sad when people cannot fathom the concept of respect for a human outside of their sexual value.

[@natashag1593]

This type of outlook is the reason I subscribed to you. You are very well-spoken and you use your voice to be a real ally by outlining exactly why things are wrong. I’m glad KZbin recommended this channel to me and I’m happy to see the channel continue to grow

[@KuncanDastner]

Thank you so much for saying so, I'm just trying my best to put out my opinions and hopefully it'll convince at least one person to be more decent! I'm happy to hear you're enjoying my videos :)

[@rozygcf6611]

Female subscriber here - thank you so much for pointing out the blatant objectification of women. I feel like there are socially inept men who don't understand the boundaries of giving a compliment vs. S.A. and then tell women to "lighten up"when we feel uncomfortable. Example: when I first made my instagram account with fairly conservative clothing I STILL get dms from weird guys.I'm just happy that at least one guy understands how frustrating it can be too be constantly bothered for seemingly no reason.

[@emilygiblin9887]

The fact that someone on her live said “it’s a compliment” is fucking disgusting. It’s dehumanizing, not endearing

[@notthisjenn]

Man, do folks realize shes real. Like a real person. This must have been a really painful and scary experience for her.

[@xerces27]

As a woman on the internet, when you introduced this topic I automatically translated "people" to "oh, you mean men". Thank you for standing up for her. My first experience being sexualized on the internet happened with my own peers in grade 9 and it was terrifying.

[@petermccannell7565]

I'll be honest as a Canadian I had never heard of this prior, but holy shit, like jesus man this is really fucked, I would like to thank you for how you handled this.

[@unbakedalaska1301]

I remember going through her personal Insta and mass reporting as many of these comments as i could find (in the pics where she had not yet disabled the comments). It was endless, and very clear that arguing with these dudes only made it more fun/hilarious for them. They thrive on making their targets as uncomfortable as possible

[@philb707]

Oh u the internet police? 🤣🤣🤣

[@unbakedalaska1301]

@@philb707 of course not, the police would be useless in this case.

[@connorp137]

That Instagram live was hard to watch

[@KuncanDastner]

It truly was, I didn't expect that many people to ignore her wishes like that, it was a nightmare

[@pyxylation]

I had to skip past that part

[@enkimerlin3209]

What is even sadder is that almost ALL those people making those comments would not say anything to her or about her in public. Trolls live only behind a keyboard, they're cowards and they know it.

[@InverseAgonist]

Would it be better if they did it in person?

[@morethanmucic]

Actually a lot of these people DO say things to women in real life. Cat calling, street harassment, men following us home and to our cars, it’s daily for some of us, a lot of them are Not cowards and that’s what’s so scary.

[@GeneTonics]

@@InverseAgonist it would be better if they didn't do it at all

[@frnk708]

the comments towards this woman are one of the most obvious examples of misogynists sexually harassing a woman with no remorse. whenever I ever tried to call someone out for this behavior it resulted in victim blaming. "oh, well she has posted images with her body on social media therefore I am allowed to treat her like she is not even human." I feel so bad for her.

[@KARIMENT.]

The sad truth is toxicity on the internet will never go away but it can certainly be fought against and be damaged so it's important that we keep speaking against harassment.

[@KuncanDastner]

I think you're absolutely right! As long as we always have people speaking out against this stuff, we can at least have conversations that help combat this way of thinking

[@fourscinmcgee3703]

As an asexual I was very confused by all this at first and figured she hard started a dairy farm. Internet, I do hate you sometimes. Eat a bag of peanuts.

[@caseywilde7931]

As a fellow asexual, I'm confused on peoples' lack of understanding on how to appreciate someone's looks without being a creepy dipshit. I find both women and men aesthetically pleasing and adore drawing them, but never any sexual attraction so I've just always been able to compliment anyone on their body without making it seem lewd or making them feel uncomfortable. It's just hard for me to understand why allosexual people can't do the same. Just because you think someone looks nice doesn't mean respect is suddenly out the window

[@fourscinmcgee3703]

@@caseywilde7931 oh I creep, but on imported cars and thrift stores

[@gimmeyourankles]

"You are pretty" is a compliment. It's simple, it's kind and does it refers to the person as a whole. Whatever was going on there was straight up sexual harassment. Learn the difference folks. Also, woman have the right to feel good about their bodies, and just because we wear clothes who reveal a little more skin this DOES NOT MEAN we want comments about our bodies. Edit: skip the comment on here, there is a random dude talking crap around here. Have a good day ❤

[@shannonceleste5557]

Idk. Even “you are pretty” can kind of be a double edged sword. I’ve always heard that if you’re wanting to compliment someone genuinely, compliment something that they actually have control over.

[@miaa1762]

@@shannonceleste5557 What?? This doesn't really make sense. When people compliment me, I don't think of it as a bad thing. Now, when I am catcalled, that is an entirely different situation because it is harrassment and isn't coming from an innocent context. If that's the case, nobody would be saying 'you're really talented with art!' since that isn't something you can't control either.

[@anne-zh2kd]

@@miaa1762 yes it is. Of course. You have to actually paint something, create something for people to say that. You make no sense

[@daisyelizabeth5462]

@@deathtowrestling2518 way to admit you’re exactly who this video is about :|

[@gimmeyourankles]

@@deathtowrestling2518 no it doesn't. Just cause you cut your hair does not mean you want someone talking about it, maybe you just cut cause you wanted. Our clothes doesn't define us, and we OBVIOUSLY don't want your take on it. If i wear a dress in the summer, maybe it's because i want to feel fresh, not because i want a random dude harassing me because he "liked" my legs.

[@mar8408]

a lot of these men think of women as a body/face, not an actual human being. actual sad.

[@kit6561]

"its a compliment" no its sexual harassment

[@InternetPhantom13]

I’ve noticed that this kind of thing is pretty common in memes - the subject of the meme is no longer seen as a real person and instead is like an inanimate object that’s part of the joke. So many of the common reaction images or trends like this one are aimed at people who were in dark places or were relentlessly targeted for being in the meme. The internet is a very dehumanizing space where people forget that real humans exist on the other side of the screen.

[@Gilamath.]

Let’s be clear on this: just because a man isn’t “the type of guy” who harasses women, doesn’t mean he won’t harass a woman. Each and every one of us has to be vigilant about our own behavior and others’, and never forget that just because we don’t feel powerful, doesn’t mean we don’t have power over others

[@shannonshea6668]

Thank you so much for bringing visibility to this issue, it's so hard when your body is reduced down to what it can do for men, either as a joke or as a sexual object. Again, thank you, more people - especially men - need to speak up against these harmful behaviours. I applaud your bravery.

[@Lauren-xw8bo]

I think the truth of this harassment campaign that is not mentioned is that we assume this is a hoarde of 20-something men, when it likely is teen boys and actual children who are stewing in this toxic space with no supervision. Adults are also doing this horrible stuff, but it darks me out that boys are marinating in this through their formative years. We need more creators who steer boys away from this world.

[@molly3713]

honestly if you look at the demographic of people who leave comments like this they are usually young teen boys… or middle-aged men, it’s rarely in between

[@adams.1404]

Exactly. On one hand it's good that it's likely mostly young people many of whom will grow out of it and realize in a few years why it's shitty behavior, but on the other hand what does it say about our culture that this is a common perspective young men are being steered toward?

[@gin2943]

this whole story is a total bummer, but it is impressive that she's directing the commercials herself!

[@Fancy-e4z]

I hate that term. It's so gross and dehumanizing. And it's just weird to sexualize motherhood like that 🤮🤮

[@GeneTonics]

I mean.... Some women have sexualized fatherhood for a LONG time. Cue "daddy" Don't boo you know I'm right!

[@jenwarmahara]

I really appreciate a man openly speaking out against misogyny, and breaking the silence.

[@krissanwich]

I’m glad you posted this. I don’t think men realize how much stuff like this happens online and in real life. Normalize being respectful to women! We’re not objects to be picked apart and objectified. 🤓

[@genericegirl0]

The reason why men are labeled as creepy is bc when women see really attractive women or men most of us don’t stare or act like this you just keep your mouth shut and go on with your day or talk about it and make these jokes in private bc they would make the person they’re about uncomfortable

[@anderh.4737]

especially as many of us have been through these experiences before

[@JD-bp4hq]

I'm sorry that men have been treating you badly, this kind of comment won't win people to your side though. We need to find ways to have the discussions without name calling. When sexism is at this heightened level it is so deeply conditioned into ones brain. We need real conversations without name calling because that causes people to check out. They will assume you are not an honest actor, even if you are.

[@gateauxq4604]

Imagine saying ‘ITS JUST A MEME CALM TF DOWN’ while the person you’re talking to is crying because of days of verbal abuse and fearing for her wellbeing. A good rule of thumb is if you wouldn’t say it to a guy IRL then it doesn’t need to be said, EVER. Ps-yeah, a glass of white liquid, what could go wrong? 🤦

[@Xiatter]

If I see sexism I call it out. But trolls like that, they don't listen to reason. They escalate until you have to block them.

[@TRexRAWWR1]

As someone who likes looking good compliments on your body are nice until they aren't. Me and my friends joke about each others boobs all the time to compliment each other and make fun of certain types of men but when someone I don't know joins in it stops being funny. I'm someone who's used to comments like this and even I am made very uncomfortable by them in the wrong circumstances. I hope Milana is doing ok and can soon feel safe again, not just with her body but with herself anywhere.

[@JeddtheJedi]

The point about men being called "white knights" and "simps" is a great one to make, thank you for making it. I think it's been popularised by certain KZbinrs and streamers, but it ultimately stems from fragility. Seeing to defend someone, but especially a woman, is seen as a sign of weakness, of being under someone else's control. People who call everyone white knights and simps derive a sense of power from feeling that they can knock others down, and perceive themselves as stronger than people who have somehow succumbed to a woman's siren song or whatever. Other people exist to be made fun of, it's a badge of honour to be an asshole. Thank you for putting yourself out there and saying this.

[@elijjah]

Thank you for making this video. It’s really frustrating that guys normally can’t speak out against literal sexual harassment without being bombarded by ‘simp’ comments. People on the internet really need to grow up. I also stand by you in your proposal to remove the milk emoji. Really glad I was recommended your content.

[@stephiestar]

That one comment from her live stream “it’s a compliment” makes me so mad.

[@bonsaiibeach3675]

This video is not an april fools joke please take it seriously

[@KuncanDastner]

I hate that April Fools fell on my upload day... not ideal

[@caseywilde7931]

I wish it was. The fact that people still don't know basic human decency is beyond me

[@camb9784]

A fair point that there is no reason for milk cup to exist

[@KuncanDastner]

It's gotta go, I've been saying it for years

[@metaloopa6907]

@@KuncanDastner there’s no reason for milk to exist

[@Idran]

@@KuncanDastner Unfortunately, emojis literally can't be removed once they're added They're not controlled by Apple, but by the Unicode Consortium (they weren't even invented by Apple), along with every other type of character that has ever and is ever able to be typed in every language and system ever And any time a character is added (including emoji), it's permanent, since removing it could cause a lot of compatibility issues and technical problems when a system runs into a character that no longer has a definition The milk one actually predates even them, because it was one of the original emoji on Japanese cell phones decades ago, and they added all the original Japanese emoji because they were characters able to be typed on a system. Then Apple found them in Unicode and went "oh this is neat, let's add them to our texting," and that's when they went global

[@masamaeda9217]

@@Idran that doesn’t mean it can’t be removed from the emoji keyboard. Sure people can copy and past them but if something is less convenient people are less likely to use them

[@captainjoy8976]

Some men are too comfortable with their sexism. Way too many

[@JeddtheJedi]

She was cast as Squirrel Girl in the unaired pilot of New Warriors, and I feel like she would've been great at the role. Squirrel Girl's such a great character.

[@TheLambo888]

Reason 74219 to just delete twitter and unfollow celebrities on social media

[@nopenope1018]

As a female with experience being talked to and about like this i can say that this stuff makes at least me feel terrible. And I can't imagine this sort of thing on this scale and this really annoys and disgusted me. Thank you so much for talking about it.

[@anopinion1349]

Someone whould never fell lkke they have to hide there body like that. The livestream of her begging everyone to just stop hurts so bad Wtf is wrong with people

[@cocogoat1111]

The people defending the objectification are the same people that defend catcalling saying that the woman should be flattered. Believe me... nobody is flattered when some stranger starts making gross sexual comments. Take a step back and acknowledge how creepy that is to be viewed like an object by someone who thinks it's okay to say whatever nasty thought pops into their head.

[@archandironic686]

Yes i take that opportunity to start jogging with one hand interlaced with key knuckles and the other on a safe walk taker app. Definitely a fun experience.

[@ProgShell]

Apparently I’m officially old because I fully expected the “mommy milkers” thing to be...like...a weird out of place joke you were making. As awful as this is I’m glad that she directs the commercials. That’s the kind of autonomy I didn’t think they’d extend to a commercial actress.

[@renoodle5554]

I'm not a man and I really, really appreciate your work here. I found your channel via the algorithm a little while ago and I love your content a lot! You're a very insightful and compassionate person -- I'm surprised you don't have a larger audience, but I'm happy to be here nonetheless!!

[@assortedlunatics4381]

8:03 shocker. Not tryna be one of those guys but the state of men in 2021 is real fucked.

[@KuncanDastner]

It's not beyond saving! We just need a lot of them to drop the whole online edgy humor headspace

[@indiankimchi]

this was such an important topic to revisit, especially with all the harassment/assault/abuse happening on the youtube space

[@Ben-wx7kk]

Theres nothing inherently wrong with 'edgy humour' or getting involved in viral jokes. But situations like this went from simple jokes to full blown cyber bullying and sexual harrassment. You might only post '1 comment', but when this woman goes on social media all she will see is tens of thousands of comments that can seriously mess with someones mental health. Theres a line - if your joke is actually causing harm to someone then youve crossed that line.

[@KuncanDastner]

I completely agree! There will always be room for edgy humor in comedic spaces, but when the target of those jokes is clearly suffering from them it makes the whole thing inherently worse

[@JeddtheJedi]

@@KuncanDastner Yeah, there is a place for it, but I think at a certain point it becomes noticeable when people are using "edgy humour" as an excuse to be an asshole and make that their entire personality.

[@youbiscuit2146]

​@@KuncanDastner people who use edgy humour also need to take responsibility for what they're doing, which is basically inevitably going to alienate at least one person listening, and not be defensive when some people don't find it funny. if you make a provocative joke, you assume the risk of feeling uncomfortable when it doesn't land, don't put the blame on the people you offend for not hiding their discomfort so YOU can feel okay.

[@roj6895]

it doesnt matter at all what she wearing she was literally wearing a jumpsuit with no skin showing and still gets all of these thousands of thousands of comments

[@KuncanDastner]

I think you're right, sadly, these people have proven that you don't need to show a lot off to be treated that way

[@rutabaga_87]

You are an absolute king, thank you for being part of the solution.

[@KuncanDastner]

I recognize that it's a group effort! I just want to do my part and make sure I'm doing at least a little help

[@ab-nu1oo]

Honestly fucked how normalized sexual harassment has become. The most horrible actions are considered comedically "down bad" and it's getting to the point of becoming harmful

[@juliahamilton8811]

I’m a woman with a similar body type to Milana and have experienced overly sexual and objectifying dms from people online for as long as I can remember, so this kind of dehumanizing wasn’t very surprising. The thing that has honestly kind of haunted me has been the extent and level this shit came to. I had a lot of close dude friends who participated in the Milana jokes and gross sexualizing and it fucking hurt to see because like, is that the way you see my body? It was just such a horrifying example of the dehumanizing and gross objectifying that a lot of men feel comfortable doing online. A lot of people like myself saw themselves and their own negative experiences through what Milana experienced in this situation and how normalized it all was. It lowkey still makes me want to cry when I think about it lol but this video was genuinely validating. :’) Thank you for bringing it up.

[@juliahamilton8811]

Also it fucking sucks she felt she had to start hiding or obscuring her body in commercials to avoid being objectified, because that’s what most women are taught to do and we see time and time again that changes nothing about the behavior of these men.

[@archandironic686]

@@juliahamilton8811 i have had the same experience as you. All throughout highschool I wore baggy clothes and deleted social media. And when I turned 18 i got a whole bunch of DMS from ex soccer coaches/assistants, and men who were at least 20 when I met them between the age of 12 and 17. It was disgusting.

[@emanon9084]

I hope one day boys on the internet learn that any 'compliment' that has to do with what they want to DO to us is harassment and nothing less. If your 'compliment' includes 'i want to do...to you' then you're harassing us. Also, if it includes ordering us around like 'take off your shirt' then it's also harassment

[@caseywilde7931]

I don't get why it's so hard to understand. Like compliments are supposed to make the person receiving it happy, if she's uncomfortable with it then it's not a fucking compliment. How is it that hard to understand that???

[@Keym78]

There is a huge difference between complimenting an attractive woman and salivating over her body parts to the point of being hurtful or making her feel uncomfortable. That shit's not cool. She's attractive, but being attractive doesn't mean that she should be disrespected and just have to deal with it. A lot of you fellas better grow up...or get ready for jail time.

[@bajabl]

This was straight up mass harassment. Disgusting.

[@BigBlackGuyReviews]

"You're a meme. Calm TF down." is the comment that sticks out to me the most, cuz it pretty much nails the problem with the entire situation. The "OTHERing" of another person, because you no longer see them as a person. "You're not real, so just shut up and take the abuse." - the internet (not the band) 🖕🏾😤🖕🏾

[@jjjjj4787]

This is incredibly well done and important and freaking props to you for covering this. Seriously well done ❤️

[@PSiLoveYou444]

Thank you for making this video, I didn’t hear about this when it was happening. You doing your part, spreading awareness and educating people how to handle these situations like adults is great for our society.

[@amandasmith4089]

I never knew about this whole fiasco. Kuncan is spittin' and I appreciate that

[@andrewmcdermott2394]

It’s really cool of you to speak out about this

[@whambam1885]

God I'm actually disgusted. I found a video of her talking about how much it has affected her and all the comments were terrible, talking about how she's making it a bigger deal than it is. Lord people disgust me.

[@gagkd]

heyyy cmon now, don't attack the milk emoji, it did nothing wrong :( maybe there should just a club of only respectable people that get the milk privileges 🥛

[@coileight]

Respectful milk->🥛

[@digitalharmony26]

“We know it’s not all men, but the problem is we don’t know which ones.” Spot on. Fuckin A. Thank you for this. For being decent. For being you.

[@MyChase34]

I can't believe people can do that and sleep at night.

[@jewelry4663]

7:59 actually on tiktok there were quite a few women making mommy jokes and “im so gay” jokes abt her and should be held accountable for the vile things they said abt her - someone from the wlw community

[@ThatBlondePerson]

This poor woman, this story breaks my heart. I never even knew this was happening, I can't believe there wasn't more outrage over this on other parts of the internet. I loved your take on this, especially your message at the end which was very well said and delicately put.

[@BreezyStreamy]

I'm off social media and I don't watch anything with ads really, so this totally caught me by surprised. I was sad when you were explaining what had happened, but seeing her IG Live crying, trying to communicate with barbaric trolls was just heartbreaking. And how she is being presented now? It's tragic because yes she is beautiful, but she was fine before without being more revealing and with all the harassment, it made her retreat. I will not be surprised if she doesn't try to not be in any commercials all together after awhile and just tries to live an everyday non-acting life.

[@buttercupghost]

Wow, I had no idea this happened! Probably because I don’t use Twitter. This is horrible. I can’t believe no one’s called this out before? I haven’t heard about this until now.

[@gregjohnson4493]

I was horrified by what happened to her and only just now heard about it. So sad, I'm glad you produced this segment.