The Entry-Level Patek: Review of the Patek Philippe Calatrava 5119J

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Teddy Baldassarre

Teddy Baldassarre

Күн бұрын

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@Justinpiano1987
@Justinpiano1987 5 жыл бұрын
Entry Level and Patek are just words that don’t seem like they belong together. 😂 Seriously though... beautiful piece!
@TeddyBaldassarre
@TeddyBaldassarre 5 жыл бұрын
Haha it is the truth in this case. It appears to be the least expensive contemporary mens watch from the brand LOL
@bobswatches
@bobswatches 5 жыл бұрын
The simplicity and elegance of this classic design is just plain beautiful!
@MarlonGarciaMFG
@MarlonGarciaMFG 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for not forgetting your metric friends ❤️
@leozebiosthor6242
@leozebiosthor6242 5 жыл бұрын
I was about to say it was a nice touch. Peace.
@aidangarrett7295
@aidangarrett7295 5 жыл бұрын
I had a feeling something was up with the intro 😂😂😂 nice one, Teddy
@TeddyBaldassarre
@TeddyBaldassarre 5 жыл бұрын
I wore it the entire video just to put my plebian self in his place haha
@shamshadali3570
@shamshadali3570 3 жыл бұрын
Hello we have same watch ⌚ old ppg antique piece
@shamshadali3570
@shamshadali3570 3 жыл бұрын
Ppg 750 Genev
@deancooledge7895
@deancooledge7895 5 жыл бұрын
I have a 3919 and it has, since I was a kid, been my favorite design. So understated.
@jum3lies
@jum3lies 5 жыл бұрын
I can't afford this watch, but as my tastes run to the minimalist, non ostentatious, and classic, it is breathtakingly beautiful in its simplicity. Thanks for the video. I would get one if I had the money.
@tyngshen28
@tyngshen28 5 жыл бұрын
Daniel Wellington copy.
@theprovincial
@theprovincial 5 жыл бұрын
Less heritage
@treedillinger5801
@treedillinger5801 5 жыл бұрын
No name ok ...*Vincero 😉😂
@robc.2937
@robc.2937 5 жыл бұрын
🤣🤣🤣
@adaptivekalman
@adaptivekalman 5 жыл бұрын
MVMT is still the best watch.
@thomasrusso7401
@thomasrusso7401 5 жыл бұрын
What stupid comments watch a video about Timex
@hans.lankamp
@hans.lankamp 5 жыл бұрын
For the price and function, I'd go Lange Saxonia. I much prefer their mix of printed markers and super thin indices to the Calatrava's printed markers or thicker indices. Plus, the exact saxonia match for the calatrava is ~€5.000 cheaper! For the 20.000, I'd get the saxonia thin in copper blue, one of the most gorgeous watches ever.
@TeddyBaldassarre
@TeddyBaldassarre 5 жыл бұрын
As much as I love the Calatrava, I agree with you here based on my personal preference. And I TOTALLY agree on the blue copper dial. Perhaps the most stunning dial on a dress watch. That is actually my true grail.
@woodyjag4084
@woodyjag4084 5 жыл бұрын
Agreed, I’ve just googled that watch as I didn’t know it and ..OMG what a Dial I love it....off to do some serious saving up...
@anandhua.b4589
@anandhua.b4589 5 жыл бұрын
Yeah the Lange saxonia thin is gorgeous and I prefer a Lange and sohne overall as a brand
@Lycosa
@Lycosa 5 жыл бұрын
Would be hard for me... I prefer PP brand personally and the class of a Calatrava such as this. But ALS is superb.
@LordArioh
@LordArioh 5 жыл бұрын
amen, if I was filthy rich and was buying over 10K watch, Lange would be first on my list, so far nothing did catch my eye from PP or AP, not that I can afford it anyway))
@TheDjdeaf
@TheDjdeaf 5 жыл бұрын
Just a timeless watch that really represents the elegance of simplicity! The calatrava its just an ICON!
@TeddyBaldassarre
@TeddyBaldassarre 5 жыл бұрын
Couldn't agree more!
@thomasrusso1411
@thomasrusso1411 5 жыл бұрын
Well said 👍
@nolanreed7090
@nolanreed7090 5 жыл бұрын
It's funny that just a couple years ago, I would have found this watch revolting. Now I think it's one of the best watches around, period.
@lexxb6386
@lexxb6386 5 жыл бұрын
I love Patek Philippe but there is just too much out there at that price point that offers more. Great video!
@TeddyBaldassarre
@TeddyBaldassarre 5 жыл бұрын
Very competitive range no doubt. Thanks Lexx!
@andrewblunts-ringwalks4508
@andrewblunts-ringwalks4508 5 жыл бұрын
The value is in the Vintage market. I've seen a nice looking Patek watch in a shop window for 5k. There's no need to pay 20k.
@williamdavis7509
@williamdavis7509 5 жыл бұрын
Most of us who are lucky enough to wear them every day don’t care about giant, more dramatic looking “get your attention” watches. As far as most people can tell, we might as well be wearing a Timex. I have a 1960 Calatrava Automatic that I’ve worn for 20 years. It keeps impeccable time and the look says all I want it to. Understated Elegance!
@BigA1921
@BigA1921 2 жыл бұрын
Watching this 3 years later and seeing current prices - yes incredibly worth it.
@rodrigogutierrezreyes4702
@rodrigogutierrezreyes4702 5 жыл бұрын
Loved the intro. I love Calatrava's and their simplistic, yet elegant and timeless design. Great watch, sad I can't afford it
@bcove2010
@bcove2010 3 жыл бұрын
I loved the look of this watch enough to purchase it. There is nothing more elegant in dress watches than this iteration of the Calatrava. Not a statement piece but maybe an understatement piece.
@alanparks7919
@alanparks7919 3 жыл бұрын
When I wear my Patek, I love admiring a timeless watch that 99.9% of the population has no idea what it is.
@RaynorTheOne
@RaynorTheOne 2 жыл бұрын
trust me everyone knows what Patek is. It's 2021 not 1890. are you sleeping in a cave?
@alanparks7919
@alanparks7919 2 жыл бұрын
Everyone who knows and/or loves watches knows PP. The vast majority of the population has never heard of them. And thankfully, I have a nice home to sleep in. And a Patek. Do you?
@x-x9595
@x-x9595 2 жыл бұрын
@@RaynorTheOne not everyone, people think chicks know watches, they only know Rolex, that’s it
@liboy9844
@liboy9844 2 жыл бұрын
@@x-x9595 yep true...the ‘rolex only’ guys...I know them.😉
@craig2100
@craig2100 5 жыл бұрын
Love the dial and bezel. Timeless
@TeddyBaldassarre
@TeddyBaldassarre 5 жыл бұрын
Agreed. That bezel with the yellow is great to look at!
@gmbaypharma5839
@gmbaypharma5839 3 ай бұрын
I bought this Patek model from Tiffany and was branded Tiffany on the face. Anyway I just had the watch serviced after 20years which took about six months. The wait was well worth it as we received the watch from Patek and it was like a brand new watch, it was truly amazing. It kept time unbelievable as I checked the accuracy over a weeks time and it was perfect.
@alexp3752
@alexp3752 Жыл бұрын
In my view, this PP Calatrava is the best model the firm has ever made. Simplicity, elegance and quality, the ultimate power watch. Forget complications! This is the only PP I would consider.
@woodyjag4084
@woodyjag4084 5 жыл бұрын
I love and appreciate watches but I just can’t see 20k value in this one, what percentage of that price is just for the name...a lot I would guess Great video though Teddy
@TeddyBaldassarre
@TeddyBaldassarre 5 жыл бұрын
Well yeah, saying a watch is a patek certainly is worth something. The power of brand haha.
@chrisauge6802
@chrisauge6802 5 жыл бұрын
That's definitely a watch guys watch. I would go for an A Lang if I had the money but I never will. Thanks Teddy...great job
@davidthom7127
@davidthom7127 3 жыл бұрын
I have never seen a more beautiful watch.
@zanjaklic9466
@zanjaklic9466 5 жыл бұрын
"entry level" Expectation---> 700$ Reality----> holy shiiitt
@fidmond
@fidmond 4 жыл бұрын
Patek for 700$? Yeah seems legit
@OffGridInvestor
@OffGridInvestor 3 жыл бұрын
If you think ANY swiss luxury watch AT ALL has an entry level under $5000..... you have NO IDEA of luxury watches.
@markheywood5626
@markheywood5626 5 жыл бұрын
You said entry level then said 20K . My excitement of buying one started and ended in less than 3 seconds. Great video though as always .
@take5th
@take5th 2 жыл бұрын
Fell in love with the black and white illustrations they ran in the 1990s for this watch.
@folumb
@folumb 3 жыл бұрын
I don't think I understand why AP is in the top three watch makers when Vacheron and Patek have at least 5 historic beautiful watches they are known for each, while I would bet that 99% of AP sales are the royal oak (or offshore which doesn't feel that different)
@jameswestconsultant
@jameswestconsultant Жыл бұрын
How in any way is it not perfect, I think it’s about as close as you can get for what it is. I’ve owned Patek, Journe, AP, Vacheron, Lange, RM in multiple varieties yet this piece has that “it” factor. Wind & wear with a polo or a suit. The contrast of the lacquered white dial, blued hands and black Roman numerals coupled with the warm yellow gold and hobnail accents makes it unlike anything else☝🏻😉
@DavidDatura
@DavidDatura 5 жыл бұрын
My favorite Calatrava variation, it’s the perfect dress watch. I’ve heard that Patek are discontinuing this hobnail version and all its iterations later this year ☹️
@TeddyBaldassarre
@TeddyBaldassarre 5 жыл бұрын
That would be sad....I love these versions. The watch is due for an update though!
@DavidDatura
@DavidDatura 5 жыл бұрын
Teddy Baldassarre I hope you’re right! My ultimate version of this model, would be with the rarer enameled dial. Oh and if I had the money (I don’t) this would definitely be my first Patek!
@Remon473
@Remon473 4 ай бұрын
Two months ago I bought the rose gold Calatrava 5119R. Am happy with it.
@traycel5210
@traycel5210 5 жыл бұрын
I would prefer a Lange at this price point to be honest. Especially because of the case back ;)
@CrescentRollCarl
@CrescentRollCarl 5 жыл бұрын
I'd prefer a Lange between the two at any price point!
@CaptainAwesomeVlog
@CaptainAwesomeVlog 4 жыл бұрын
The simple elegance of the 5227J makes it my favourite.
@stevenjohnsrud4655
@stevenjohnsrud4655 5 жыл бұрын
I truly laughed out loud in the intro. The Calatrava is one of the best out there but I think the Saxonia in pink gold with dial in argenté is a better watch and a smaller price.
@StorKejsaren
@StorKejsaren 5 жыл бұрын
If I ever get a Patek this is most likely it, not only because the price, but I think this is the most attractive dress watch you can find bellow $15k. I would for sure take this over a Lange Saxonia or a VC Patrimony, you are paying mostly for the brand regardless of which of the three you chose and then Patek Philippe is just the most valuable brand of them. I think I prefer the 5119R however, the rose gold makes it look even more elegant, might be wrong about that though..?
@ettercapny
@ettercapny 5 жыл бұрын
It is beautiful, it is outstanding, but for this kind of money I'd take some Grand Complication, or Frederique Constant or Nomos... And a Corvette ;)
@tiborszabo9616
@tiborszabo9616 5 жыл бұрын
Well Patek is more like a status symbol instead of great-value luxury watch.
@TeddyBaldassarre
@TeddyBaldassarre 5 жыл бұрын
Hahaha I get that for sure
@sect0rialsect0rial2
@sect0rialsect0rial2 5 жыл бұрын
you say that, but you wouldn't.
@dancarlton7973
@dancarlton7973 3 жыл бұрын
The Corvette's engine is now behind the seats.
@ttdat
@ttdat 5 жыл бұрын
Beautiful watch. True elegance is simple. Updated technology? It may be cliche but if it is not broken do not fix it.
@dsvillalva
@dsvillalva 2 жыл бұрын
A Lange Saxonia entry level is my preference over this Patek
@jayelae4335
@jayelae4335 5 жыл бұрын
Exquisitely elegant -- timeless and classic! Beautiful work of art!
@jasue2000
@jasue2000 5 жыл бұрын
I love "entry-level" Patek, it's a little like an entry-level Bentley. It's all relative for sure. I think t your video the other day of luxury to affordable maybe a good counter note would be the Seiko Presage SSA346J1 with the sunburst dial and the small seconds sub-dial... pretty kick ass piece! Another great video. I really do love the either or comparison you did the other day. Thanks for all you do
@thomasrusso7401
@thomasrusso7401 5 жыл бұрын
Pure class who ever says otherwise don’t know watches it doesn’t get any better the watch spells elegance and class
@youngalwyn1124
@youngalwyn1124 4 жыл бұрын
Teddy, you made a mistake when you said that this Calatrava 5119J had a white enamel dial. It is actually *lacquer.* It’s possible you were thinking of the Calatrava 5116R, which features an enamel dial but is executed in 18k rose gold.
@abajaj1510
@abajaj1510 3 жыл бұрын
Nice beginning hook
@219garry
@219garry 5 жыл бұрын
In Harlem it's worth 50 bucks!
@theprovincial
@theprovincial 5 жыл бұрын
Yes and yes!
@TeddyBaldassarre
@TeddyBaldassarre 5 жыл бұрын
We have a grail in the flesh on the channel in this one!
@patrick_jane2164
@patrick_jane2164 5 жыл бұрын
That intro man 😂
@nikmansol
@nikmansol 3 жыл бұрын
I have the same in white gold it’s a masterpiece
@ericvalkenaar6276
@ericvalkenaar6276 5 жыл бұрын
I love that Casio! Perfect size to wear under winter jackets.
@TeddyBaldassarre
@TeddyBaldassarre 5 жыл бұрын
Haha I love the Casio comments on a video about Patek.
@ericvalkenaar6276
@ericvalkenaar6276 5 жыл бұрын
Patek is eye candy otherwise irrelevant to me. Casio is cool
@MrMercSoldier
@MrMercSoldier 5 жыл бұрын
Ughhhh, I would love to have one of these. Doubt it will ever happen, but happy to appreciate its perfection
@brownstar8228
@brownstar8228 4 жыл бұрын
I’d definitely wear that with the case back on facing me. The dial looks kinda like a fashion watch but I think the clear case back almost makes up for it.
@maidpretty
@maidpretty 5 жыл бұрын
My favourite Calatrava is that classic sized one with dauphine hands, no date and central seconds. That and the small second hand original are among the best timeless watch designs ever made.
@belc5778
@belc5778 5 жыл бұрын
this watch did nothing for me until i saw it in the flesh. i now love it, though i have the two handed version (so the non hacking really doesnt bother me)
@andresetc
@andresetc 2 ай бұрын
Thanks for the always-great reviews and insight. So I have a ref 3919, and I am shocked at how less value it is commanding on the market than the 5119. Is it because of the display back ? We are talking about a roughly US$7000 difference between both models. What gives ? Any other explanations ? Would love to know..... Many thanks amigo !!
@jmbaug1229
@jmbaug1229 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video and to review this piece ! 💙
@FerdinandZebua
@FerdinandZebua 5 жыл бұрын
Giving you & this video a like _just because of the intro._ 🔥
@ericfreutel8240
@ericfreutel8240 2 жыл бұрын
Another superb review. Thank you!
@nadari09
@nadari09 5 жыл бұрын
Legendary start to the video
@angelowong7275
@angelowong7275 5 жыл бұрын
For everyone wondering why a lot of high-end pieces don’t hack, here’s the reason from the best watchmaker himself living today: thejourneguy.com/why-a-journe-does-not-hack/ And I love the Calatrava. 36mm is such a classic size and will always be “in”. Great video, Teddy.
@GeorgeJacob96
@GeorgeJacob96 5 жыл бұрын
Teddy bring back the old intro👌 Great video. Please do a series where you focus on vintage watches that do get get the love they deserve, the less mainstream vintage.
@KLucero22
@KLucero22 3 жыл бұрын
$19,000 (even $14,000 used) for a non-hacking movement that isn’t even proportionally sized to the case? Personally, I’d rather take an A Lange & Söhne Saxonia at that price point.
@ytdavidkwei
@ytdavidkwei 3 жыл бұрын
Nicely said about Patek and it's affordability. Thank you.
@adlanhaziq
@adlanhaziq 5 жыл бұрын
Beautiful. Wish people sent me Pateks to review 😅 Will have to settle with my SARX019 and SARX029 I guess. Cheers, Teddy Bear
@jad19851
@jad19851 5 жыл бұрын
I have an earlier 3992. I love it. Belonged to my dad. Cool video thx for sharing
@abajaj1510
@abajaj1510 5 жыл бұрын
Own a steel calatrava 3574...great watch from a great company....
@English2Elvish
@English2Elvish 4 жыл бұрын
5119G (18K White Gold) looks much nicer. But then, I like "silver" colour better.
@Sovnarkom
@Sovnarkom Жыл бұрын
I’ve never worn this watch but I’ve always wanted a circular silver case with black leather strap option since that’s the classic dress watch combination.
@flippinzippo9670
@flippinzippo9670 5 жыл бұрын
Best intro ever
@TeddyBaldassarre
@TeddyBaldassarre 5 жыл бұрын
Hahaha
@gonshocks
@gonshocks 5 жыл бұрын
Beautiful elegant watch. If it had Indiglo I'd be all over it. :)
@ordinary999
@ordinary999 5 жыл бұрын
Great video. I love my 5153R. Best dresswatch ever.
@ant7699
@ant7699 Жыл бұрын
ok I'm just about to watch this video
@karlmendoza1986
@karlmendoza1986 Жыл бұрын
Simple and beautiful and I just love it.❤
@Remon473
@Remon473 4 ай бұрын
Two months ago I bought the rose gold Calatrava 5119R. Am happy with it.
@Snappy650
@Snappy650 Жыл бұрын
Bought this for my dad, he’s so damn proud of me 😅
@Remon473
@Remon473 4 ай бұрын
Two months ago I bought the rose gold Calatrava 5119R. Am happy with it.
@aidangarrett7295
@aidangarrett7295 5 жыл бұрын
Non-hacking movement for that price? Sheesh. I guess the price tag covers the finishing and the brand name, less the movement. Still, what a great looking watch. Bezel is very striking, and the thin nature of the case is great for formal events. Not for my personal style, but I can appreciate the watch, no doubt.
@TeddyBaldassarre
@TeddyBaldassarre 5 жыл бұрын
I was very surprised in my research how many haute horology pieces don't have this feature. This watch is one of many that doesn't.
@aidangarrett7295
@aidangarrett7295 5 жыл бұрын
@@TeddyBaldassarre that is surprising! I mean, even my Hamilton Khaki King has a hacking second hand...there must be some underlying reason to not have that feature.
@pedrobrazon6610
@pedrobrazon6610 5 жыл бұрын
About the bezel...my sister gifted me a fossil watch years ago, and it has that same-ish bezel, sure the PP finishing is most likely way better than the fossil one but just saying that it's not unique to PP.
@69elchupacabra69
@69elchupacabra69 5 жыл бұрын
Your comment on 6:27 is accurate. It's a nice watch but it's not a 20k USD watch. PPs watches are so versatile, but are so bland and boring unless you go to the super expensive complications. I own the 5711, and it's so versatile I can wear it with a suit, a denim jacket, or shorts. But like the very versatile gray suit, it surely gets bboorriiiiiiinggggggggg on its own. I can say the same for this Calatrava, overall nice case, movement, and dimensions; but like the 5711, remove the "Patek Philippe" from the dial and it's meh.
@ΠαῦλοςΠαυλίδης-χ7θ
@ΠαῦλοςΠαυλίδης-χ7θ 5 жыл бұрын
Patek nautilus 5712 also hasn't got hacking movements. I think patek doesn't use hacking at all.
@edgarmancenido6045
@edgarmancenido6045 5 жыл бұрын
Nice product placement Teddy @ 2:35 - 3:00
@kevinc1001
@kevinc1001 5 жыл бұрын
One of my favorite line of watches from PP.
@jamielu7275
@jamielu7275 5 жыл бұрын
Love love love this watch!
@eyeheartsushi2212
@eyeheartsushi2212 5 жыл бұрын
A very elegant watch. Such a thin case.
@derekshearer9049
@derekshearer9049 5 жыл бұрын
I love your delivery, style and your knowledge of horology but our tastes couldn't be further apart. That P.P. is on the ugly side, and I'm being very polite. Cheers
@TeddyBaldassarre
@TeddyBaldassarre 5 жыл бұрын
That’s why this hobby is cool! Haha all different preferences.
@derekshearer9049
@derekshearer9049 5 жыл бұрын
@@tristanpouw702. In my head the last time l checked. Where do you keep yours?
@thomasrusso1411
@thomasrusso1411 5 жыл бұрын
Ugly it’s the most elegant dress watch of all time
@derekshearer9049
@derekshearer9049 5 жыл бұрын
@@thomasrusso1411. Looks like something you would find at a flee market for ten bucks and still think it's too expensive. Cheers
@craig2100
@craig2100 5 жыл бұрын
Gorgeous watch. Yes please.
@TeddyBaldassarre
@TeddyBaldassarre 5 жыл бұрын
Agreed haha
@NateTrucker92
@NateTrucker92 5 жыл бұрын
Nice video Ted, personally this watch does very little for me. I'm not a fan of minimalist design but I definitely appreciate the very fine craftsmanship. For this kind of money though, I'd prefer a GMT Master II and a Breitling Navitimer, and possibly a Tudor with what's left haha.
@davidthom7127
@davidthom7127 4 жыл бұрын
Pure class behind glass.
@ant7699
@ant7699 Жыл бұрын
big up the casios
@metalmaster76
@metalmaster76 3 жыл бұрын
entry level? ngl, its probably the only one I like the look of
@emporytechnology1502
@emporytechnology1502 5 жыл бұрын
I love this watch. Would rather have this or lange sohne than rolex
@danielkatz7516
@danielkatz7516 5 жыл бұрын
A friend of mine gave it to me , for getting the blue Seiko Alpinist , not because of the LE controversy , but “it was time to save up for the goooood watch” he said, well , i did not want to dip in the tenuous resources 6-12000. Canadian now.what say you Teddy?
@mathieuvaillancourt3219
@mathieuvaillancourt3219 5 жыл бұрын
The Calatrava that I like is the 5107 in white gold ;)
@GenWivern2
@GenWivern2 5 жыл бұрын
The movement, fancy as it is, will look familiar to anyone who has had a look inside practically any Swiss Incabloc watch from the 1950s or 60s. This is a very conservative watch indeed, the main surprise being the 9-¾ ligne movement in a 36mm case. Which explains the position of the subdial, no doubt. (For comparison I have a 28mm watch with an 11 ligne mechanism I've been putting off fiddling with because it's a bit dauntingly small). I assumed that Patek would be using the 215PS in some dainty ladies' watches, but apparently not: 33mm diameter is the smallest they do. This strikes me as exceedingly odd. Anyway, unless seen as an investment there's nothing here to justify the price tag except the brand and the exclusivity. I'd far rather take a vintage piece from a good name and pocket the change, which would be a tidy sum.
@1018Frankie
@1018Frankie 5 жыл бұрын
This one, not my cup of tea 🍵! I don’t like yellow gold watches and too small for me( 6’-3” , 300#, 7.5” wrist) and no hacking!🤔 keep the good work my friend!
@TeddyBaldassarre
@TeddyBaldassarre 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching as always Francisco!
@Tacticalwon
@Tacticalwon 5 жыл бұрын
Hahaha love the opening!
@MrRea112
@MrRea112 5 жыл бұрын
I love the Calatrava particularly the 5196R that is somewhat unstated yet probably even more elegant IMHO. When will you feature the Golden Ellipse, probably the true sleeper watch in the PP range?
@thomaspomeroy5678
@thomaspomeroy5678 5 жыл бұрын
Great Video. I loved hearing about the Calatrava. Thanks for doing a Patek.
@venrocking
@venrocking 5 жыл бұрын
Beautiful in it's simplicity. Wouldn't chose it in a 20k dress watch bracket, as I would like a more updated technology that is easier to service. But for Vintage collectors it's a bargain. Ps. DAT BEZEL !!!
@steveflor9942
@steveflor9942 4 жыл бұрын
No problem at all with a manual wind. But, the crown on this watch is so small.... I don't think I'd enjoy winding it. Otherwise, it is gorgeous.
@abajaj1510
@abajaj1510 5 жыл бұрын
Great review
@MiladAbedi
@MiladAbedi 5 жыл бұрын
I would prefer Saxonia over this
@MrWIWARD
@MrWIWARD 5 жыл бұрын
Pretty inflated price and I fell asleep just looking ar this thing. But it‘s a Patek I guess. Great review none the less
@FlushingStatic
@FlushingStatic 24 күн бұрын
Movement turned me off , i found 1 eith the same or similar to the 4712 with the snall 21kt router.
@loriosterweil982
@loriosterweil982 2 жыл бұрын
I think it’s perfect.
@aaronschen9896
@aaronschen9896 5 жыл бұрын
Its perfect for what it is, but in no context is 20k reasonable.
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