The Epidemic Of Cinematic Universes

[@TheCloserLook]

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[@illuminaticomfirmed6948]

Mate, unless Marvel becomes an SJW shithole like its comic department, DC will never beat Marvel. They already wasted their trump card, The Justice League. However I am excited for Aquaman because even if they never beat marvel, they could still make great movies. BTW what about the monsterverse?

[@Vraptor1]

It was very interesting and enjoyable, so thank you.

[@TheOneLizard]

I've never thought about this topic, but that thought has come alive in me thanks to you. I just need to mention that I really like your writing and the way you approach the solution to the problem. This way, despite not being involved with any other universe than Marvel, even I understand what you're talking about. Keep it up, it's always a blast watching your videos!

[@thekshatriyadialogues]

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[@hucys]

man i love this videos, having them more frequently would be a treat but you can tell the time and love spent on these videos so lets just soak this video in and be excited for the next one.

[@HarryBillyBobGeorge]

Tarantinoverse: Stars Sam Jackson Star Wars: Stars Sam Jackson Marvel: Stars Sam Jackson The answer is simple

[@Emike-nc9ew]

THE MONSTERVERSE

[@sydm7234]

HarryBobGeorge the San Jacksonverse

[@crushelnast6657]

I don’t know about the new trilogy of the Star Wars Franchise...

[@generalkenobi3909]

I wonder if Nick fury knows about mace Windu

[@generalkenobi3909]

Since Star Wars exists in the marvel universe

[@coolkatmehrfth]

Basically, Marvel did their due diligence and put in the work to set up their cinematic universe in an organic and honest way. They took a risk, and it paid off. Now everyone else wants to cash in on Marvel’s innovation, but they can’t spend the time to set it up organically because everyone wants to see the team up movies. So they cram the universe building into like 1-2 movies, which is just not feasible.

[@disrupt94]

MCU is not even the first cinematic universe out there, so let's not label it innovation. Otherwise you are correct though, Shareholders see the sucess of MCU and go "we want that NOW".

[@ShadowSonic2]

@@disrupt94 That's the problem, they want the $$$ but aren't willing to put in the real work.

[@whitewolf6113]

Dude the Monsterverse is an amazing cinematic universe

[@tannerbarnes7392]

This is why I like the Legendary Monsterverse. For me, watching Skull Island, seeing the cave paintings of Godzilla, Mothra, etc in the credits scene came out of nowhere, and Godzilla 2014 didn't even have a credits scene. Skull Island was just a fun, stupid romp through an island of kaiju... Until the credits scene.

[@danielastevensonbaeza9168]

I think that you're right, but there's an exception that is "the girl with the dragon tattoo", it's a masterpiece in terms of story and ejecution but maybe it was too complex to an average public.

[@hunterkendrick6294]

this man needs to be a professor

[@TheIrateBrit]

I agree--I think the problem is the lack of quality movies in the various universes. However, maybe instead of a "Cinematic Universe" epidemic, there's a "world building at the expense of story" epidemic. Think about the films that kicked off iconic franchises, such as the original Star Wars, originally just called "Star Wars: Episode IV." There was no constant teasing of films to come. As I understand it, George Lucas thought it was a one-off. Think of (from a literary perspective) Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone. Granted, J.K. Rowling was planning on writing more of these books, but the story is contained. Sure, Voldemort is out there, but he has been effectively defeated for now. No teasing, for example, of a TriWizard Tournament in Book IV. The same can be said of the new Star Trek franchise (though this series has taken something of a nosedive as of late). Star Trek 2009 is a completely self-contained film. Everything that happens in these books and films is in there for the sake of the books and films, not to tease future endeavors. I can't help but think of The Last Jedi. One of the most hated moments is the one at the end with the force sensitive boy, because, I think, it feels shoehorned into the film. It is the director saying, "Look at what I'm going to make next!" It should have been--at the least--a post-credit scene, like Nick Fury's intro in Iron Man. Excellent video, as always. You're literary/film criticism is second-to-none.

[@chrism3159]

They are trying to run before they can walk. *Iron Man.

[@tornadochaser2457]

They need to start small, and learn how to build something with a box of scraps.

[@tornadochaser2457]

Ian M Yup, you've got the right idea dude.

[@kzarkage]

@Ian M With a piece of shrapnel in their chest

[@renham6505]

kzarkage with a bald man

[@tornadochaser2457]

kzarkage - ren ham You guys are woke.

[@blackshard641]

Only ten years ago it would have been a laughable idea that a movie like Infinity War could even get greenlit, nevermind making the absolute boatloads of money it did rake in. Consider how unbelievably busy that film is. It jumps from place to place, character to character, featuring a dizzying array of flashy powers with almost zero time given to explanation, in almost exactly the same way that these other failed cinematic-universe-starters do... and yet it was one of the most successful movies ever made. Think about that. Imagine it being your first Marvel movie, and how confusing that would be, and you can start to see just how insane it is that a movie like that actually worked. You're exactly right about WHY it worked, though. Marvel introduces the vast majority of its characters through character-focused standalone films. The plots are usually simple. The high concept and themes are clear and relatable. Iron Man is a rich weapons manufacturer who has a literal change of heart when he learns what it's like to be a victim. Captain America is a paragon of old fashioned virtue in a world that's gone shades of gray. Thor is a proud rebellious prince from a Shakespearean-style fantasy world who needed a lesson in humility. These films are all entirely about telling you who these core characters are and why you should care about them. Notice that these characters, with super strong narrative foundations, have remained the core of the MCU going forward. Marvel's early films are traditional filmmaking through and through. The smartest thing they did was to pace themselves with small, incremental risks. Each risk paid off and built more hype. And now look where we are.

[@Sorain1]

Yeah. That's the trick to it, the point of making a cinematic universe is that you essentially get a set of stand alone films, this allowing you to do such a MASSIVELY packed film with basically no exposition about 90% of it's characters, concepts and setting. Because you already covered all that in other films. They are basically applying massive length to allow them to decompress and thus avoid having to do exposition that would bog down the film.

[@CLCSIfreak]

Exactly! I’ve always felt the DCEU wanted the rewards without doing the work. Justice League was what, it’s 3rd film? It introduced major players, hoping people would be familiar enough with them from comics and not taking the time get to know them on screen. MCU didn’t do a (major) team up until the 6th film, and all the major heroes had already been shown (even if Hawkeye wasn’t on screen for long) before then. Marvel’s willingness to show us the characters before teaming them up allowed them to break the rules later (black panther and Spider-Man introduced in civil war) and still be successful because the film was enjoyable and those charters added to the story (not just being promises of more). Honestly, I’m not sure if Marvel could have sustained the hype if there hadn’t been the long(er than anticipated) gap between phases 3 and 4, because while I’ve enjoyed phase 4, it’s hard to shift back to a smaller scale after all that interconnectivity (a bit of the opposite problem-how can a stand-alone be good when there’s all these other heroes who could be helping but are somehow just, not).

[@connorcobb5122]

I promise you that I would be outright mocked in 2007 if I said that Avengers Endgame would be, for a time, the highest grossing film ever.

[@timothymclean]

It definitely helps that Marvel wasn't trying to make a "cinematic universe" as we now understand it; the concept didn't really exist before they made theirs. They were trying to make a bunch of good films that took place in the same universe, with somewhat overlapping stories including some crossovers. To even _get the idea greenlit,_ they had to figure out how to weave them together without bogging down the individual movies. They had to figure out all the little details and map out a careful long-term plan; these days, it seems like you can increase your chances of getting a project greenlit if you just point out the possibility of it being the next MCU, even if the rest of your film is meh at best.

[@timothymclean]

Also, I'd like to mention that Marvel's after-credits scenes are a brilliant idea. It's a way to add worldbuilding, to weave the worlds of the films together, without disrupting the narrative of the film. It's like adding a teaser for the next book after each book's epilogue.

[@wesleysobik9137]

Meanwhile, the universal movie monsters from the 30s existed and gave us Frankenstein vs. The wolfman. But sure, marvel is the first to do anything, despite universal doing this nearly 80 years before.

[@callumdoherty1882]

@@wesleysobik9137 I don't know much about that but one crossover film probably doesn't count as a cinematic universe as we see it today. For example there are several alien movies, there are several predator movies, there are several alien vs predator movies, but we dont describe them as a cinematic universe. To have a long series of films like Marvels from which you weave together an overreaching plot is a bit more sophisticated than one Frankenstein werewolf crossover. So really it doesn't sound like universal did a full blown cinematic universe, perhaps a kind of prototype CU

[@wesleysobik9137]

@@callumdoherty1882 it wasn't just one crossover film, there's been several and while I understand what you're saying, it's a bit hyperbolic to say marvel is the only one that's done it right

[@callumdoherty1882]

@@wesleysobik9137 I was interested so I briefly looked it up and my bad there are multiple crossover films so you're right on there. I was mainly focusing on how although crossover films like universal did are nothing new, to connect them intrinsically with each other through subtle (or in cases other than Marvel, not so subtle) pointers and after credits scenes whilst following and developing the characters is a pretty original idea, mostly I guess because there wasn't the money to pull such a thing off before. I get though that the whole having related characters meet in recurring films was probably Universal originally

[@nicholaswise5818]

"Maybe DC has finally learned their lesson" *laughs in Wonder Woman 1984*

[@72823m]

I want a Kellogg’s cinematic universe

[@TheCloserLook]

Corn Flakes Vs Frosties: Dawn Of Cereal

[@psychonamedjerry8181]

That's GRRRRRRRREEAAAAT

[@Thessalin]

Who is he? Him? Oh, he's from the north. He's small, but powerful. He'll fill you up, and leave you wanting more. He's the hope for the future, he's ... The Frosted Mini Wheat. ((Enter bombastic music and title swooping in from the right.))

[@nicolersands]

They did it. The cereal boxes started having mascot crossovers. AaaaaAAAAAAAAAAA

[@DeusImperium]

Count Chocula v Frankenberry

[@anguskeenan4932]

“It’s a Pandemic” 2020: *hold my beer*

[@LuisSierra42]

Yeah, that did not age well

[@forkkal]

You do know pandemics are not exclusive to covid-19 right?

[@brickabang]

*hold my corona beer*

[@Severian1]

To my mind, Marvel took their time to build their characters. Single movies eventually coming together in an explosive ensemble of characters and great Cinematic set pieces. DC and the other universes gave us some single movies and then everything at once which doesn't work at all. Take Justice League. We know nothing about Flash or Aquaman or Cyborg(except from the comics). We don't know their motivations and they tried to cram all of that into a single movie. Plus they gave us a shitty villain in my opinion. I could go on and on about how mediocre Steppenwolf is. In the comics he's a great character but here, well they really botched that one. Don't get me started on the Mummy. They gave us nothing at all about the characters and the world they were building beforehand and tried to cram all that into a single movie. I believe that to create characters with them it takes time. Time to flesh them out and these universes don't get that.

[@bethanywilhelm8451]

THANK YOU for making this. This articulated the main issue with the recent string of mediocre movies so well!

[@avanishdutta2658]

I think it's rather the idea that they are copying a formula, which doesn't work somewhere else. Cinematic universes are not in abundance, but rather in a shoestring. While Snyder wanted to make the movies that were his directorial vision, the other studios want to keep those ips and earn money at the same time, which is the reason why many studios fail to capture the goldfish. In short, they are creating products, not movies.

[@ajarofpickles2826]

I think the thought process behind all the cinematic universes out there is as follows. “Hey the MCU is making a ton of money right now, I like money so let’s make a cinematic universe” if your only motivation for making a film is to make money then you are going to make a really sucky movie

[@derrickcrawford1081]

If that was the case in every movie would suck

[@jack_meoff69]

Well that's the idea for all studios even marvel.

[@jack_meoff69]

The Shadow Master yea.. But MONEY!!!

[@kzarkage]

But money .......... !!!!

[@johnthecrazed5679]

All movies are made to make money, but the MCU understands that it’s an semi-anthology not a trailer-film.

[@Emilysafe]

“It’s not about the quality of the idea of the film; it’s about the quality of the film.” YES HENRY 😍

[@ilo2224]

I think cinematic universes fail when: money is more important than story.

[@timothymclean]

Money is _always_ more important than story. You can have the best story in the world, but if nobody wants to see it, you can't pay the thousands of people (many of whom have high-demand, low-supply skills) you need to get the sequel (or your next great story) made.

[@kokofan50]

The really stupid part about that is a good story will bring in lots of money. If you’re greedy, sell good product.

[@xChikyx]

than*

[@trishahernz7809]

Blade Runner tells you otherwise.

[@wakamoon1910]

id argue the MCU is actually a passion project, or partly at least, for kevin feige. he is known to be a comic fanboy, and it's likely due to it that they really put in effort for the MCU.

[@blazerivers3000]

A poem about the dark tower by The Closer look “It’s plot was by the book It’s characters sufficed But it’s not the kind of movie you’d want to see twice”

[@kbitchkal8765]

Some try too hard Some don't try enough Some are pointless Some are fun but dumb Some are just there But there never going away And thats ok (Even tho some are just ugh)

[@OsvaldoChannel1]

let me guess: 1) Mummy Universe 2) DC 3) Spiderman Universe 4) X-Men? 5) the King Arthur universe?

[@magnus3139]

Nice poem Shakespeare

[@noexitnoproblem6037]

A fun franchise will always be the Mummy movies with Brendan Frasier. Even though at glance, they are stupid/pointless, at least they made it work through action/comedy. So they got the execution right which explains why they are so entertaining every time. :D

[@kzarkage]

Some of them want to use you Some of them want to get used by you Some of them want to abuse you Some of them want to be abused

[@drjwww]

There are tons of reasons why Marvel has succeeded where the others have failed, so many that could probably discuss them for hours and still not cover all of them. But one thing is core and tends to get overlooked somewhat: CASTING. It was in Phase 1 where Marvel struggled most, not surprisingly, as it wasn't clear if there'd be in the interest in these characters, much less the movies which depended upon people being willing to shell out to see these characters in action. But, Norton Hulk being a bit of an anomaly here, Marvel got the casting right, not just for the films, but the promotion of the films. Basically, Marvel nailed it with securing Downey, Hemsworth, Evans and Hiddleston (and Sam Jackson, too). Then, surround them with somewhat surprising, "really-he's-in-this?!?" actors like Jeff Bridges, Anthony Hopkins and Tommy Lee Jones, and suddenly your films are working with a more secure popular foundation. I call this *The Guinness Principle.* People tend to forget now, but one of the reasons people went to see Star Wars back in 77 was that there was this sci-fi film coming out that looked weird and wild and insane... but it's got Sir Alec Guinness in it!?!? One of the most respected actors of his era (and all-time, in fact)?!?!?!? "I didn't think he did this sort of stuff" and all of that. Suddenly, the popular audience is much wider, less skewed to a few target groups, people begin looking at the film oddity very differently. As Marvel did all of its early world-building, it got the leads right and kept meeting the Guinness Principle. Part of this was Marvel being willing to pay out for big names, but also coming up with scripts that those names would be genuinely interested in (and, thus, consider taking a significant career risk). So, Marvel did the work and got the money to get their Guinnesses for each early film: Bridges, Jones, Hopkins, Tilda Swinton, Michael Douglas, Kurt Russell, Glenn Close and so forth. Even getting Stallone falls into this. Remember how excited people were that Robert Redford, of all people, was actually doing a Marvel movie, and a conspiracy-thriller no less? Remember how excited people were that Michael Keaton was going to play The Vulture, or even that Marisa Tomei would be playing a significantly de-aged Aunt May? Marvel is *still* doing this: bring in Cate Blanchett and Jeff Goldblum for Ragnarok; bring in Angela Basset and Forrest Whittaker for Black Panther; bring in Michelle frickin' Pfeiffer for Ant-Man and the Wasp. Hell, let's have Oscar-winner and movie icon William Hurt come right back in the mix for cameos. Only in a Marvel movie could you possibly have William Hurt appear, literally, 30th in the billing, as he does in Infinity War. That's the Guinness Principle etched deep into the Marvel universe building for each film. And that's just one element at work in Marvel. When the DCEU has tried it, it just hasn't worked. Jeremy Irons as Alfred? Ugh. Too obvious. Russell Crowe? He's no Brando in terms of surprising or exciting people. And on and on.

[@margarethafalco63]

Exactly thank you ❤👏🏻

[@tashidiaz8915]

Reading your comment reminded me of this little video i watched on Star Wars you tube page where Kevin Feige talks about the first ten years of Marvel Cinematic universe and how he took lot of ideas including the tag line " The First Ten Years" from being a life long fan of Star Wars movies. kzbin.info/www/bejne/h3fCdoutdsd3b5o And there he talks about first iron man movie. And you can see it in his words and his facial expressions about how passionate he was about that single movie project. "It was the first film we got to do ourselves ( first marvel studios movie). We weren't supremely confident. We had beliefs we had ideas how we could bring tony stark to life and believed that marketing name was the character and over the years the actors themselves have become marketing names because RDJ,Chris Hemsworth, Chris Evens, Scarlett have all become mega stars, but at the time we really believed let's find the best actors for the parts, not dissimilar from a little movie 40 years ago (Star Wars) that found grate new actors who became icons and stars" There's lot in his words for other studios that are struggling to launch their Cinematic universes to learn. Specially, the casting is important. And don't go after big name actors to be your marketing names for iconic character. Try to get someone that make that character his\her own and an icon. He also said " What we try to emulate in the movies is if you go to see a MCU movie in the opening weekend it's our job make sure you have a great time, if you go to see it a second time our job is to make sure there's more there , third fourth fifth time still more there. Even the deeper you go there are things to reward you. And i learned that directly from Star Wars" " We have a core group of producer teams. We've been together almost ten years and it's a little internal group for various reasons we call the parliament . It is to keep track of the consistency and overall tone of the movies. "

[@Kumquat_Lord]

How is this not pinned? Honestly, write an essay/thesis about it, this was excellently worded

[@eira839]

this!

[@TheKazragore]

I agree with everything you've said, except for one thing: I think Jeremy Irons has done a bang-up job as Alfred, personally.

[@anthonyvillanueva5226]

The MonsterVerse led by Godzilla and Kong seems to be reasonably well- received.

[@atomicvinylreviews3420]

It's fantastic, especially Godzilla 2 King of the Monsters

[@johnvonshepard9373]

Godzilla 2 King of the Monsters flop lol

[@fulldisclosureiamamonster2786]

@@johnvonshepard9373 Not sure what you mean. It's made twice the amount of money as its budget and is very highly received audience-wise.

[@dartisboiii03]

Critics have mixed reviews on king of the monsters but that never failed to impress the fans

[@oni4971]

godzilla 2 is the worst movie ive ever seen lol

[@sootmancer9851]

the "DC Animated Movie Universe " is actually pretty neat

[@paradoxacres1063]

Great video. Personally, what I feel needs to stop entirely is the *Epidemic of Film Snobs* who don't understand what Film Criticism actually is: you're supposed to ENGAGE with the Film you're reviewing, NOT argue against its existence ("To0 mAnY SUPerhEr0 FiLmS waaah")

[@skateordie002]

God, I very much agree.

[@paradoxacres1063]

I mean, a LOT of the recent MCU films have been good-to-great popcorn films..and these Very Serious Film Snobs _still_ whine about superhero movies. Who cares how many Marvel films come out so long as they're not actually "bad" films..? >:(

[@nutsfromberserk247]

​@@paradoxacres1063 infinity war is a rich themed thought provoking movie not a popcorn flick

[@esseehmeunomeunomeehesseda3370]

The problem is when the focus of the film becomes the cinematic universe.When its not about doing a good movie,its about setting a stage for other movies,which in turn will only be concerned in setting the stage for other movies...

[@asiamatron]

Well said. The problem occurs when a movie only exists to set up a universe.

[@stevenjones4059]

@@asiamatron A movie needs to have incredible characters & for you to relate to them or to just understand them even . Dracula Untold is a prime example they could have easily focused just on that movie but they instead chose focus on other movies & leave it all to chance .

[@NathanielWhittoUpdates]

The Godzilla monster universe is alright, into its 3rd film now. It works because the first two films are 40 years apart and only linked by an after credits scene. And the next Godzilla film is only a sequel to the first, not even the Kong film.

[@robokast]

I 100% agree with the fact that most of these universes are really bad to watch, but I see a glimmer of hope on the horizon. A new movie is coming out known as Glass, and it’s a crossover between the Unbreakable movie from 2000, and Split that came out a few years ago. The two characters of these movies are together and it honestly looks really promising, because both of those movies on their own were amazing. Guess we will have to see though..

[@sashithesushi9437]

Well, I believe the main character from Unbreakable made an appearance at the end of Split, and I also think that the creator said something about making Unbreakable into a trilogy, so...

[@therollo9]

@@sashithesushi9437 I like Unbreakable and Split. Split somehow did what Marvel Movies did because if you remove the scene where Dunn appears, it is a great movie by itself. Sure, Shyamalan could end it there, but like Marvel, he put a scene that makes the viewers wanting for more, and establish a bit of universe. If Glass is a great movie, there will be build up. DCEU kinda did things maybe unexpected for me. I don't remember an instance of Batman/Bruce Wayne. I only see it as a decent film. I don't even know that there will be another universe. Iron Man told us what is coming next, with people like Coulson and Fury of SHIELD being there at the end of the film.

[@arciousthedestroyer4835]

This was also done with the Monsterverse The only referance to a cinematic universe in godzilla was a company by the nane of monarch. In skull island it was wall paintings that showed kong and the skullcrawlers along with godzilla monsters like rodan and mothra, this was also in the end credit scene

[@NickTovA]

I don't know why since Split, and now Glass people consider those movies as part of a cinematic universe, it's not, it's just a trilogy si far.

[@VincentStevenStudio]

But see shyamalan isnt interested in the money. These are his passion projects. He wanted to tell the story of unbreakable, he wanted to tell the story of split. And he wants to tell glass. It just so happens, it's in the same universe.

[@fatherireland5737]

Cinematic universes are another great way to tell a long story without making it cheesy. The idea is great, but like you said, they are often poorly executed. Certain stories are too long and complex to show in a 2 hour movie, and I feel like another way for that story to be told in it’s entirety (without skipping stuff) is to make a cinematic universe. Sure, many studios out there fail doing it, because they care more about money than story.

[@NathanMarchandAuthor]

You never mentioned the MonsterVerse. The giant monster film series being made by Legendary Pictures. It only has two films (Godzilla 2014, Kong: Skull Island), but the first one was like Iron Man: it was self-contained. Skull Island expanded on it and did some world-building, but it didn’t hype another film until after the credits. Godzilla: King of the Monsters will be the third film in the series next year and culminate with a crossover in 2020 (Godzilla vs. Kong). I’d say they’re doing all right compared to Marvel.

[@nightviewstudio1185]

Can’t wait for that to take off!!! I’m so excited!

[@michaelj.1116]

Godzilla: King of the Monsters has one of the best movie trailers i have ever seen. It made me watch the first Godzilla and skull island and i am so hyped!

[@patrickblanchette4337]

My thoughts exactly.

[@charlieshek3465]

Nathan Marchand Yessss

[@charlieshek3465]

Hunger games Of thrones Yesssssss

[@blazerivers3000]

“It’s plot was by the book The characters sufficed Buts it’s not the kind of film You want to see twice” -The Closer look

[@Evan-nx9ng]

The Closer Look grew up in a cinematic universe

[@MusicTvMoviesBooks]

Evan with nitpix and Harry’s moving castle

[@YTRingoster]

Tell that to Zod's snapped neck

[@alsah-him1571]

So what you're saying is: Make each story it's own story with a high quality cinematic experience while executing on the world building in better ways.

[@scalpingsnake]

Why have they failed? My opinion (before I hear your's) they failed because of why they are doing it, to copy Marvel. They have realised the potential of cinematic universes and decided to do it themselves whilst forgetting the fundamental reason why it worked so well for Marvel... time. Marvel have had years to allow us to get accustomed to the characters such as their traits, personality, what they are good at and what they are bad at etc whereas DC for example jumped in far too quick and didn't give time to allow us to understand each character and sympathise with them.

[@swanpride]

That, and they don't really have a "show runner" so to speak. There is no plan behind them other than catching up with Marvel

[@scalpingsnake]

+swanpride yeah basically. If you watch anything from the directors of the marvel films (the bonus content from Infinity war for example) you can see how passionate they are about the films.

[@yankeedrummer21]

Marvel had to actually A) make a film we'd all enjoy then B) do it several times over to build up an interest in their product, they also did it in a reasonably low key way and not pressure us into their world...they had to let us 'want' to be there.....The other studios thought it was the shared Universe we wanted and never saw it was the characters and story we wanted more of....the same way we get hooked on a comic book

[@nedlightowlers5168]

Exactly, they made us love the characters first, so that we were genuinely excited to see them together/how they'll bounce off eachother. They understand that it wasn't just about seeing GOTG meeting Iron Man and Thor etc, we were also hugely excited to see the dynamic between Chris Pratt, RDJ and Chris Hemsworth in their roles. Various superheroes being thrown into a movie together doesn't mean much if we've got no attachment their on-screen incarnations - particularly for those of us who aren't huge comic book fans and only have a passing pop culture knowledge of the characters. For example many people, myself included, had never heard of the GOTG before their film, and we now have far more of an attachment to them than we do to the likes of Superman and WW who had far more name recognition beforehand.

[@scalpingsnake]

@@nedlightowlers5168 I had no idea who or what the guardians were... Now its my favorite series of films ever. Marvel make such a good film I WANT to see how they interact with other characters.

[@omniviewer2115]

Ah, but there is another cinematic universe that stands up beside Marvel in terms of quality: the MonsterVerse. Despite only having two released films thus far with two more on the way, this cinematic universe has been following the template you describe as the "right" war to it. GODZILLA 2014 is a 100% standalone film from start to finish. It has a major secret organization in the form of Monarch, but this is seamlessly incorporated into the plot as SHIELD was in the first Iron Man film. KONG: SKULL ISLAND is also a standalone film, containing only a few hints at the larger world beyond its confines, and saves its major world building moment - the confirmation that Godzilla, Rodan, Mothra, and King Ghidorah also exist in this universe - for the post-credits stinger. The upcoming GODZILLA, KING OF THE MONSTERS 2019 has yet to be released, but director Michael Dougherty has assured us that sequel buildup will not be emphasized to the point of distraction. His exact terminology refers to it as "breadcrumbs". I can only assume you haven't seen the MonsterVerse films, and this is why you did not include them as examples. Rest assured, though, it is thus far a fine example of a cinematic universe done right.

[@elijahbucklin7664]

Didn't expect to see you here, love your videos

[@ericcl5313]

Dude both of those movies sucked balls... Like _really_ sucked - that's why the creator "forgot them"...

[@danrohrer7093]

Omni Viewer I'll be honest, Godzilla 2014 was pretty meh, and Kong was better but still not great. Furthermore, a lot of the people interested in the Monsterverse that are not long-term fans of Godzilla or Kong are largely people that saw the SDCC trailer for Godzilla 2. I mean in the Godzilla community Godzila: King of the Monsters was just going to pander to fans by being a remake of Ghidorah: The Three-Headed Monster until the trailer came out, when the public and fans saw that it might actually be something more and that this Monsterverse thing might be something worth putting time and money into.

[@420mobskunk7]

@@danrohrer7093 both films were great. Kong was fantastic IMO.

[@danrohrer7093]

Hunky Onion Godzilla 2014's ratings are at 65% at best with a large outlier being Rotten Tomatoes Freshness Rating (audience score from Rotten Tomatoes is more in line), while Kong is more around 70% with Rotten Tomatoes Freshness Rating being less of an outlier. Say what you want but according to the public those movies were average to above average at best. Heck before Godzilla 2's trailer dropped at SDCC the most mentioned monster movie at the time was Rampage, which was just a cash grab, getting a lot more attention than Godzilla or Kong ever did despite it not being viewed (60% at best) as well as those aforementioned movies.

[@sydneymmerc]

The mcu is one of the most complex and interesting things one could delve into, good cinematic universes as a whole are obviously quite rarer though. I’d love to see more passionate filmmakers create universes of their own

[@erickesquivel6150]

@Dante The Demon Slayer Universal knew how to do it, they had their cinematic universe way back in the 30s, Godzilla had it's own cinematic universe as well and now it does again

[@noexitnoproblem6037]

I will try to attempt to create a universe that is similar/different from Lord of the Rings. Thats my goal. :p

[@karthikeyas7900]

M. Night Shyamalan is slowly doing the same thing.

[@margarethafalco63]

Preach it 👏❤

[@RainbowDemon]

I don't think the 30's classic monster movies count as a cinematic universe as they didn't all connect in story.

[@johnvonshepard9373]

"There no such thing as a bad idea" The Closer Look Me: The emoji movie

[@vikramdeveshkolla3437]

Cats

[@silverstarlightproductions1292]

That's why Wonder Woman stands out from the rest of the DCEU. Patty Jenkins truly had a passion for the source material and focused on just telling a good story rather than cramming in Easter eggs and references. Furthermore, she allowed to actors to have some input on their characters. For example, the boat scene was almost completely improvised by Gal Gadot and Chris Pine, thus creating genuine chemistry between their characters and helping the audience get more invested in their arcs. In short, Patty Jenkins did it right, and I am genuinely looking forward to seeing what she does with Wonder Woman 1984.

[@farrahfreemanjones6161]

The end of WW cemented it as mediocre for me. Shame because I thought it was going really well.

[@josharntt]

@@farrahfreemanjones6161 Yeah, for me too. That part of the movie feels like it was forced in there by Warner Bros just to have a fight scene at the end, Nando v Movies has a video on it, he's great, check out if you haven't already.

[@farrahfreemanjones6161]

J Arnett I have actually watched a ton of his videos. They are great!

[@willemboele2079]

except than he did a dumb big cgi fight at the end

[@parker8784]

Bad scene at the end though with the whole cgi ares thing

[@jerdasaurusrex557]

The Legendary Monsterverse is doing pretty good. So far.

[@IcyDiamond]

I saw Godzilla vs Kong as my first Monsterverse movie and I loved it, so I might have to see the other ones eventually

[@Numenor76]

In a world of hyperbole and hype, overusing words and exaggerating everything to death i long for some rationality, for calmness in my mind. It is, without hyperbole, channels like this one, a place of solace. Thanks! No, i don't think they should stop making these movies and we should not expect a C.Nolan or D.Villeneuve or Coppola and so on, to make a quality movie. They should keep making movies but also learn from their mistakes. Evolve. Recently, not that recently, i was pleasantly surprised by the TV Series "Punisher" Jon Bernthal. It was great really. Perhaps a bit out of context this example but, it manages to stand out from the rest.

[@TheCloserLook]

Thanks man, but I'm not perfect I love to exaggerate ;D

[@Numenor76]

I didn't say it was brilliant, i meant it was good compared to others of it's kind. I wouldn't compare it with "True Detective" or "Game of Thrones" as an example. I said it surprised me compared to any other series of that genre. Also, i think there's something that's the opposite of subjective when it comes to these things. Anyway, cheers.

[@restlessentertainment9760]

I thought his character was more interesting without the government conspiracy. Episodes 1-4 of Daredevil Season 2 were brilliant, though Season 1 is still the best in my opinion.

[@pepelantern4900]

Punisher was simply a copy of DC's arrow. 1. Both the main heroes find out their family members were killed and then they take revenge. 2. Main hero in both the show have a hacker friend and someone is police as a friend. 3. Curtis in punisher is pretty much like Diggle from arrow. There are many other similarities but that's all for now.

[@thecarpeteer4107]

I'd love to see a Hasbro cinematic universe with GI Joe, Transformers, My Little Pony, etc. I think it would be wonderful, even if just for the ludicrousness of the idea. Just imagine Optimus Prime and Twilight Sparkle defeating Megatron with the power of friendship and big effing guns.

[@BlockyNinjaVidz]

The Monsterverse is a pretty good cinematic universe tbh

[@sheep3370]

I love skull island but I really see no longevity in that franchise

[@changhyon92]

@@sheep3370 considering how little King of the Monsters made, pretty much

[@McClintonforThree]

@@changhyon92 Godzilla vs Kong just saved cinema so….

[@changhyon92]

@@McClintonforThree because they properly course-corrected in the right way in the middle of a pandemic

[@McClintonforThree]

@Kadiri Olanipekun uh huh… make all the excuses you want. GvK made half a billion dollars with countries still closed, a lot of theaters closed or at 25% capacity, and killing it on streaming day 1 at no extra charge. GvK gave other companies confidence to start releasing movies again. Otherwise your superhero films would still be delayed. No need to be bitter. Just thank Godzilla and Kong and look forward to your superhero goodness.

[@cool64378]

Good video and all but why does nobody mentioned the new Godzilla Universe when talking about the subject? The last Godzilla was a good movie and Kong Skull Island was fucking great and I wasn't aware it was a Cinematic Universe until the end of Skull Island so it takes most of the boxes you mentioned

[@hiimchrisj]

James Wan's Conjuring universe and Legendary's Monsterverse are shaping up just fine tho. And it looks like the Fast franchise is moving into spin offs as well so we'll see how those do. And if DC's course correction works then it's looking like we're finally getting to the point where these studios can handle making cinematic universes. Oh and there's also M Night's Unbreakable universe

[@jeanleon3537]

*YCU* KZbinrs Cinematic Universe . *The Cinematic Universe of Movies about KZbinrs*

[@charmandyorton006]

Jean Shirazawa Oh gosh, please, no, that would be the worst freaking idea ever. Do you really think people would want to see something like that after the disasters of _Not Cool_ (Shane Dawson) and _F the Prom_ (Fine Brothers)?

[@xChikyx]

no

[@arcadeassassin7176]

a lot of KZbinrs already crossover and collaborate all the time so it sort of already is a thing.

[@Vestroie]

Filthy Frank did it first

[@andrewtuttle9682]

*TWCU* The Tommy Wiseau cinematic universe

[@stephaniehauenstein9123]

The Justice League had these problems. They were so focused on the future films that they didn't think about making the JL film a good movie that would have people invested in the DCEU.

[@animeguy10000000]

My issue with Justice League is that it should've happened later. They should have spent time building up the other characters, then done JL, like Marvel did. I said the same thing with Batman Vs Superman, that they should have had a Batman movie first, and the Wonder Woman movie first, then done BVS, instead of how they did it. It's a jumbled mess and it's really sad because I want the DCCU to work.

[@har5814]

@Darth Pancake Studios you don't appreciate movies that much.

[@Hewylewis]

What about the Monsterverse with Godzilla and Kong: Skull Island? Isn't that a good up and coming Cinematic Universe?

[@atomicvinylreviews3420]

yes, yes it is

[@lordsleazebaggino4667]

Godzilla universe has been good so far. Granted, there are only 2 movies in it so far. At least their taking their time with the films they produce.

[@ilo2224]

M.Nights *Unbreakable - Split - Glass* are all great! Another cinematic universe that’s good.

[@thestrangegod3173]

Glass ain't even out yet, for all we know it could flop

[@ilo2224]

TheStrangeGod If it really is bad, then it can be added to the list of really deceiving trailers.

[@Lezarddd]

I don't really see that as a cinematic universe, more like a trilogy... Not that it's a bad thing :o

[@lunatic4152]

Isaac Slaney it's not really a cinematic universe it's more of like a trilogy. Plus it's only 3 marvel has 20

[@nightviewstudio1185]

Isaac Slaney and the monster universe!! Godzilla and Kong

[@logangster1428]

Dc turning over a new leaf with Shazam 11:52 Congratulations you’re a phrophet

[@WonderWhy66]

It's all about money. If the objective of any cinema/cinematic universe is solely based on earning cash, rather than focusing on the story, then it is bound to fail.

[@jerrywemhoff]

You realize these studios have made movies before, right? Let's straighten one thing out here: EVERY movie is made with the SOLE intention of making money. Don't pretend the creatives at Marvel Studios do this for free. EVERY studio understands how to make a good film, they've already done it. Some movies just don't land. In fact, MOST movies don't land. What the MCU has done is truly brilliant, taking the same template and applying it to all of their movies so that even one of middling quality has the familiarity of its superiors.

[@chrishall2594]

@@jerrywemhoff but the director's goal is to create art that is also profitable. It's when thr studio take that authority away and micromanages the film from their viewpoint that the value is lost.

[@joshtoomes870]

hello, godzilla-king kong universe is actually pretty good???

[@barneysoldierson54]

The godzilla universe is quite rad i like that too

[@Nova-sama420]

Skull Island sucked tho, but Godzilla 2 looks sick

[@MrCharly780]

Please, Godzilla has been doing a cinematic universe since the 60s. First with Rodan and then Mothra and then all appeared in Ghidorah the 3 headed monster which was Godzilla + the former against the later. Then you have the Heisei Godzilla which was another continuity, then the millenium period which was the same. Godzilla is the OG of a cinematic universe.

[@Extra47]

Godzilla You're almost right, but Universal monsters had a cinematic universe back in the 30's.

[@noexitnoproblem6037]

What you mean the one about global warming? lol :p

[@barneysoldierson54]

Nova-Sama 420 I LOVED skull island it was god damm amazing

[@iandurn1725]

“Batman v Superman Demolished by the video essay community”, so so true.

[@lolno6975]

The saddest thing is that Andrew Garfield acted insanely well in the Amazing spiderman movies.

[@tomshumate3940]

The Kong/Godzilla universe is pretty fun and idk maybe should've mentioned it even if you disagree

[@evelyncastillo1094]

I 100% agree. Many people critique marvel and say that the mcu is simply a cash grab, but clearly there is a passion behind the movies they are making. Every movie has a purpose in the story, and add to the characters involved. That’s why I personally believe Thor the dark world failed, because the movie was solely made to progress to infinity war. If the reality stone was able to be placed in a different movie then maybe it could’ve work, but even then marvel was able to clean up the disaster and bring something amazing out of it.

[@nimrod2479]

Marvel copied Star Trek. Change my mind.

[@casperryborg4869]

You make it sound like there is something wrong with copying things.. You are aware of the fact that EVERYTHING that is in your life at this moment, is copied from something else, right?

[@jankuiper3422]

All these references are useless. To people who already know the universe it's useless, they already know the flash is a part of that world, just reminding them without adding to the story is pointless. To people who don't know it's useless because it just adds something they don't know anything about and has nothing to do with the movie. Also it becomes a bit of a self-aggrandizing circle jerk to throw around with references to your own world at every opportunity. When screenwriting lesson 101 is that you should check any scene for relevancy, and throw out anything not related to the story. These movies tend to pile up scenes the movie could easily do without.

[@justinDLew]

My problem with a cinematic universe is making passable movies so people can get caught up until the "important" movies. With the mcu my issue is that for phase 1 2 and 3 the movies that are not the avengers are pretty average. I know winter soldier iron man and the first guardians of the galaxy were pretty good to me but the mcus focus seems to be make stepping stones for the next avengers rather than making a fantastic movie.

[@SnaggingRaccoon]

JUSTIN LEWIS All in all the MCU has made about 20 movies, and honestly the only ones that are true garbage fires are Iron Man 2, Thor, Thor The Dark World and Age of Ultron. Other than those four, their line up of movies are pretty consistent in terms of quality, they are amazingly well made films considering the quantity and the fact that yes, pretty much every film is trying to set the next team up film.

[@radrno7]

MeddlingMarmot Yeah, but that's the problem, for every good movie, there are at least 2 that are average and 1 that is bad. Marvel can pump good movies all they want, it won't change the fact the MCU is filled with mediocre movies and that is what keeps them at the top of their business since apparently people will pay lots of money for anything related to the MCU.

[@dontsubscribetome3262]

MeddlingMarmot age of ultron was great even better then the first avengers movie what are you on about

[@silverscorpio24]

A cinematic universe has to be handled VERY carefully.

[@thatguymork]

(4:24) *F O R G O T S*

[@achyuththouta6957]

Grammar Nazi spotted

[@maximilianomadrigal6661]

The world is a cinematic universe, alot of the worlds problems are interconnected and systemic, a good cinematic universe could tell an amazing story and hold a really accurate mirror to our world, i think marvel is too scared of being too controversial and plays it really safe and a bit too formulaic

[@charmandyorton006]

The problem with these cinematic universes is that they are all run into the ground by money-grubbing hack producers who don't care about legitimate problems with their movies.

[@bigblue3936]

1:40 Fun fact iron man didn't have a script all they had were ideas the iron man movie works because of all of the actors improv skills and the people behind the camera's ability to work with what they have and adapt making it a human superhero movie made from the ideas and acting of people treating their characters as human

[@JackStromb]

I feel like the biggest difference between Marvel and the other universes is that, and you kind of touch on this in your essay as well, Marvels first movies barely touch the combined Universe at all, its all avout building characters and great single stories. Marvel then, years later, start combining them for real in a meaningful way. I think a lotnof the other companies dont give it as much time as Marvel did because the cinematic universe is ”hot” right now, they dont wait until all the characters are given their quality time with the viewer and therefore there’s no connectionand no interest in watching more because the relationship with the characters feel rushed and fake. Thanks for a great video! :)

[@Kumquat_Lord]

I agree. It seemed more like "well, we have these characters and movies, and people want to see more of them. Making 6 sequels for the three characters (cap, tony, thor) would be boring, so.... Crossover?

[@Sorain1]

I think the key points were that each film was on it's own, and then potentially a franchise of it's own, but there was central direction and planning for the whole of the work. Ironically, this is what the current works in Starwars are failing at as well. Only Rogue One both was treated as it's own work AND tied into the universe properly.

[@Goji-C]

Why doesn’t anyone ever wanna talk about the monsterverse is a prime example of a Cinematic Universe done right that isn’t Marvel

[@richyj.b634]

I think when setting up a Cinematic Universe is just focus on the story and not worry about any easter eggs or references as much as possible, like what Iron Man did launching the MCU.

[@MrCharly780]

That's what the monsterverse has been doing with kong and Godzilla, and it's working as well.

[@sorosaltgaming]

"The epidemic-" Me: uh oh

[@basdegraaf2534]

You forgot to talk about Godzilla/King Kong

[@nintendozilla9843]

The official name is MonsterVerse, but yeah, they should've talked about it.

[@Light-at-Dawn]

It's sad that Marvel has also transitioned into the same category of The Epidemic Of Cinematic Universes since the end of phase 3.

[@jacobb.9181]

When you think about it, cinematic universes are just a bunch of spin off films

[@Azaghal1988]

Not sure why i got this recommended again, watched it when it came out. But i have to say this title hasn't aged well^^

[@luisreynamboarcos2958]

The Godzilla and King Kong movies were very good, I'm waiting for Godzilla, King of monsters.

[@humblelust]

The MonsterVerse is gonna work.

[@Nukarot]

Thoughts on the Godzilla Monsterverse? It's first two movies are decent, and King of the Monsters looks cool.

[@atomicvinylreviews3420]

I actually think Godzilla 2014 was a bit of a mess, but King was great and King of the Monsters was amazing !

[@atomicvinylreviews3420]

​@Gasper Vidovic Not necessarily, though that's part of it... my issues with the film stem more from the insane mistake of them killing off Cranston character after the first act and replacing him with a boring cardboard cutout soldier guy as the ''protagonist'' for the rest of the movie... Honestly the film dies with Cranston's character for me I'll give the movie credit though, the cinematography and build up is excellent in it, but it feels jarring to watch... Cranston steals the show in the first act and it's genuinely exhilarating to watch! , then the movie grinds to a halt when he dies and never really recovers. The teasing and cutting away from the monster action was very over done and didn't help either... It almost felt like the movie was embarrassed that It had to show the monsters, instead focusing on Ford Brody, don't get me wrong, I love ''Character driven'' monster movies, but if you're going to cut away from the monster action you damn well better have some good characters to focus on instead that's why movies like Alien and Jaws worked and this one didn't... My issue with Godzilla not being in the movie much has almost nothing to do with how much screen time he actually got, but more to do with how little ''presence'' he has when he's off screen.. most Godzilla movies don't give Godzilla a lot of screen time, but they do talk about him a lot when he's off screen, and his actions and existence shape a lot of the plot and character motivations ect and he feels present during the entirity of the movie due to that (some of the best examples of this are the original 1954 film and Shin Godzilla).. that's not the case with 2014 though, Godzilla feels side lined in his own movie... the Mutos have a far stronger presence though out the film and so dose blandy McGeee soldier guy sadly... and while this wouldn't be that big an issue in most Godzilla movies (lots of great Godzilla movies focus on other monsters and characters ect...), for a big budget modern movie introducing this character to a whole new generation of fans in the western world, it's kinda a big miss on the movies part... I could go on and on with other little things that I wasn't a fan of, like aspects of Godzillas design, the super hard to see dark and smoggy fight scenes, the ed-saturated colour pallet of the film ect... but that covers my main issues with the movie Anyway, while I do respect the film for what it did to launch so many modern kaiju movies in its wake, and some aspects of it are genuinely fantastic (the opening act, cinematography ect...) I can't watch this movie without feeling let down, It feels like a mess and I have strong mixed feelings about the film as a whole.

[@azn_assassin1573]

I plan on creating a whole Universe using my own created Superheroes. The hard part is that I'm still working on the first story.

[@shadowstrike234]

how's it going?

[@ericjohnson7234]

Thats how you know it will be good, you put in the work. Go get em!

[@Andrew36597]

Even though the films aren't perfect, I think the monstersverse with godzilla, kong: skull Island and the upcoming godzilla: King of monsters, seems to be doing the cinematic universe in a pretty good way, and I'm excited to see what happens next in these films

[@atomicvinylreviews3420]

I totally agree

[@vjollila96]

I think legendary's monsterverse has potential first two movies were pretty good and the king of the monsters looks promising

[@McClintonforThree]

And look at it now. GvK just saved cinema. I’m so proud.

[@Uhfgood]

You generally made some good points. There's one thing that everyone needs to remember though is the difference between a film series and a 'cinematic universe'. Film series are just that, they are a series of films that usually concern the same characters going on different adventures (or just stories). A cinematic universe as defined by the MCU are several different films with their own characters usually written by and directed by different people (obviously there's some overlap here). In other words Thor was not a sequel to Captain America: The First Avenger which was not a sequel to Iron Man. These are 3 different movies, that tend to happen in the same universe, and thus got their name 'cinematic universe'. The Mission Impossible film series was NOT a cinematic universe. They were a series of films centered around a specific character related to the same story line. Star Wars isn't technically a cinematic universe. It's a series of films set in a single universe but usually along the same story line created generally by the same people concerning the same characters, etc. Of course you can go out in the weeds and call them all franchises, which are generally stories developed in different kinds of media. For instance the Mission Impossible franchise included the original television show, the sequel series in the 80's and the movies. The Star Wars franchise encompasses movies, novels, tv shows, video games, etc. One more thing to note is the reason it was called the Marvel Cinematic Universe was to differentiate it from the Comic book universe. Generally the MCU can get away with doing the characters from the comics their own way. So maybe Iron Man's origin story can be done different in the MCU than the comics. Comics have a history of constantly rewriting their characters and stories and alternate timelines and universes. So basically the MCU is the universe all the disparate films from the Marvel franchise operate in. Verses the comic book universes.

[@_Tigon]

The MonsterVerse and Conjuring Universe are also successful cinematic universes.

[@stefan6347]

3:59 are you proud of that joke?

[@goonermike007]

Agree but is your take on the Monsterverse? Feel that this is one that works like Bond cinematic universe and has had positive effect in that TOHO has started to create the anime universe and also make another film since final wars called Shin Godzilla which has invigorated that universe.

[@LeBlondeJames]

Should've brought up the Monsterverse with Godzilla and King Kong. I think those films are great by themselves and tease sequels carefully.

[@redraptorwrites6778]

When I'm done, half of humanity will still exist...I hope they remember your channel.

[@noexitnoproblem6037]

lol

[@adammoore130]

Meanwhile, the monster universe is slowly and steadily succeeding without anyone noticing. Also Split nailed it.

[@00HoODBoy]

i feel like big studios manufacture movies in a boardroom, which is not what art should be about in my opinion. they have a formula that works financially (most of the time) and quality-wise (most of the time), and they also have the budget to make sure their movies never look or sound bad. i will always give them credit for the visual and sound effects side of things. and in terms of writing i think most of the films are good ( like gotg, avengers, captain america, iron man, man of steel etc.) but i always know what to expect when i go to watch one of those in the theatre. they have the resources, the characters (already popular and fleshed out because of past movies or comics), the actors and the money to make the best movies of our time( but never even end up in the conversation), so good is not good enough. i just want them to do more, to be more.

[@inspectorwhoreacts]

Explained perfectly, what most other movies did was try to hype up their universe before they had it, marvel was absolutely perfect with just making iron man and teasing the Avengers in the end, same with thor, hulk, and cap. They didn't make universe movies, they made good standalone movies that were connected. To be honest the only other universe franchise that is actually working is the godzilla/kong verse because its doing what marvel did, making good movies, hyping sequels after.

[@andrewszigeti2174]

The irony is George Lucas did a fair job starting a strong cinematic universe back in 1977, did a mediocre job continuing it in the prequels... and then Disney destroyed it.

[@AndroidCovenant]

Only 4 cinematic (shared) universes are worth building - 1. The MCU 2. The DCEU 3. The MonsterVerse 4. The Dark Universe (Universal Monster's Universe) Others that just got made regardless (and we are better off for it) are the Tarantinoverse, the View Askewniverse and the new Shyamalaniverse which started with Unbreakable Also, I didn't know that Dark Tower was a cinematic universe. I thought it was just a book series

[@MrSuperalan99]

AndroidCovenant eh. The mcu and the godizlla one are the only good ones in that list

[@alcalshel]

Care to explain WTH is The Kaiju-verse ?

[@AndroidCovenant]

Cutman 009, the Kaiju-verse is the one that started with 2014's Godzilla and subsequently 2017's Kong: Skull Island and 2018's Godzilla: King of Monsters which will culminate in 2020's Godzilla vs. Kong

[@AndroidCovenant]

Dante, the term cinematic universe is generally synonymous with shared universe. In the case of Marvel and DC, multiple superheroes (different franchises) inhabit the same universe and interact with each other. That is not the case with the Transformers movies as they are collectively one franchise

[@nintendozilla9843]

+AndroidCovenant That is called the "MonsterVerse", not the kaiju-verse.

[@JAS-xc5qx]

"The EPIDAMIC Of Cinematic Universes." Very poor choice of words.

[@night1952]

It's just like videogames, if they're good, they're good, no matter how many sequels or spin offs. I was going to mention MGS, but i hate MGSV, then again, considering it's development it proves my point, and if that wasn't enough, we have Survive, the biggest and most soulless cashgrab ever.

[@therollo9]

Survive is a decent game, but it is never meant to have a Metal Gear name printed on it. If it was just "Survive" or just any title without the words: "Metal Gear", then the ratings could have been higher. Konami just used the MG name for some advertising BS for a game that will not reach it's expectations.

[@joelyt1682]

There is a good movie (in my opinion) that includes the Sinister Six. It's called "Spider-Man (Ps4)" and bonus is that there is a whole game included with it.

[@theskyisteal8346]

You put my thoughts directly into words. I even want the Dark Universe to make good movies too. I love shared universes but, as youi said the quality comes first and foremost.

[@WarlockInTraining]

I just want to leave a comment to the people out there who dont realize Universal Monsters from the 20s and Showa Toho films from the 60s all made Cinematic Universes way before Marvel did. Thats all.

[@KnightRaymund]

Totally agree. Cinematic universes can be great, but have been poorly handled in most cases.

[@mateszucs8975]

The Conjuring universe is on the horizon, and it is not so bad, actually, they do things more clever than others, and also the Monsterverse with Godzilla, they make (well, not really amazing, but) acceptable or good movies and like Marvel, use post credit scenes to establish the thought of a shared universe. I think they could be successful, I hope they do, at least.

[@mr.c9820]

2018, when we could still use the word 'pandemic' casually

[@Fantallana]

me upon initially reading the video title: "ah yes, the epidemic of cinematic universes..... all two of them...."

[@whatdidyousay1235]

This video aged well after wandavision and tfatws. Wanda didn't open up multiverse. She didn't bring mutants. Mephisto wasn't introduced. Doctor Strange didn't cameo. The show remained focused on it's central theme of grief and wasted only little time on setting up future projects. Pretty Much same happens with tfatws

[@khaledyassin718]

U probably have some interesting things to say about Loki....

[@lucanovellino1010]

im assuming youve watched Loki (based on ur username) cuz that shows was like no other