Avengers Endgame - How To Waste A Climax

[@TheCloserLook]

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[@maarten9272]

Give me le Grand swallow 😩

[@userjoinedyourchannel1]

Thankfully more and more content creator are talking about how wasteful this movie and cinematic series has been. Not just the ending, the whole damn mcu is pretty mediocre. Wish they paid the animators overtime and the cg supervisors better or enough smh

[@kenwkls6392]

i learn alot from your vids. good work

[@FB35959]

hey would you do another review of Batman V Superman once again ? people says they found more things after re watching in the second time or more

[@TheUnintentionalWildCard]

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[@kosco1151]

The idea of Hulk going into a rage over Natashas supposed death within the battle wouldve been amazing

[@javiermachado10]

I thought maybe he could get so angry his heart would glow red from his blood boiling and the camera pans to the other characters watching hulk's normal green skin to a more scarlet red, then it switches back to a close up of hulks eyes as the tears on his face turns into vapor. I'm sure my lil fan fiction breaks rules within the marvel universe but still, sounds like a pretty cool sequence to me

[@EGGSHL]

@@javiermachado10well it certainly hits harder than endgame did. Fucking hulk got done so dirty :(

[@ATR000]

​@BlueChipSigns I figured the Endgame is a reflection of what a puss Mark Ruffalo is....

[@dominiquejones3805]

MCU has completely nerfed Hulk. He didn't even get a quick rematch with Thanos

[@tintiniitk]

Yeah, but then you would have taken away her glorious fight and death scene at Vormir. I would keep Natasha's death the same, but make it so that Tony Stark's death would happen sooner in the story (before Dr. Strange or any of the other heroes earlier turned dust showed up). Tony's death would cause the most dreadful and hopeless moment in the battle (kind of like that of Dumbledore in HP6 or that of Aragon in LOTR2), and then when all hope is lost. the portals would start opening up and the tables would turn.

[@jaidendavis3815]

The children of thanos are the most down played characters i have ever seen

[@connorp3764]

Laughs in Knights of Ren

[@canvas_125]

They should’ve been harder to beat against the Avengers. I loved Cap’s intro in Infinity War, but they really underwhelmed the threat of Thanos’ children. Especially Ebony Maw.

[@captainhowlerwilson508]

Wait till you see the Knights of Ren. They were severely underplayed. The children of Thanos at least had some cool battles.

[@Lazekillerwhale]

Laugh in Decepticons.

[@Blarnix]

They’re made of literal jello

[@Veckoza]

No one even mentions that War Machine was given a new badass suit of armor for the final fight, but you never even see him one time during the battle.

[@sir.buttersworth]

He is seen for like 5 seconds tho

[@James-xw8li]

@@sir.buttersworth thats probably more than hulk

[@wilfred5820]

Maybe he located the suit in Tony’s secret last resort armor archive

[@beardedbill7047]

It looked like the patriot armor from iron man 2

[@stevenzayas5527]

@@wilfred5820 War Machine's new suit is seen very briefly in the background, and out of focus, when Ant Man is shrunken down and is trying to save Rhodey and Rocket in the ruins of the Avengers facility. It looks like the suit was held in an underground room within the facility; as to how Rhodey actually got it, I don't know; he could probably have summoned it, like most of the newer, non-nanotech suits could do.

[@bernardliquete9292]

I felt like they haven't wrote much about Doctor Strange in the final fight since he was stuck on a single task: preventing the water from getting to our heroes (essentially submerging the battlefield). But with Strange's ability and intellectual prowess, even after being dusted for 5 years, I think that would not stop him from coming up with a solution to the problem without having to stay on it and possibly missing out on the fight.

[@Ra-Hul-K]

to their defense.. Dr. Strange has already seen this version of the future and he already knows what exactly to do

[@jamz8785]

​@@Ra-Hul-KYou know that was just a (very) good excuse, so every plot hole or character missing receives a reason for why they didn't act more logical, right?

[@Ra-Hul-K]

@@jamz8785 in their (film maker) defense they had almost 15+ main characters in one movie & they had to give all of them purpose and screen space.. hulk fans want more of hulk.. strange fans want to see strange doing more stuff.. he was fighting until the dam broke.. up until the end he wasn't quite sure they were gonna win coz things needed to happen in a certain way for the winning outcome.. & there's only so much a single person can control, others do whatever they want to do.. that's why he tells Tony if I say what's gonna happen it wont happen

[@chryst4l926]

​@@jamz8785 Not really, only really affects Strange. Doesnt for example excuse Thor not going for the head

[@jamz8785]

@@chryst4l926 Nope, it literally affected everyone, he says "We win in only 1 posible timeline" any other thing that didn't imply Tony sacrificing would mean their defeat, that's also a way for writers to say "Dont search for better ways they could have won easier, strange said this one is the only plausible" (for example, the fan theory about Antman winning the fight by jumping into Thanos' butt)

[@flyingbooger2122]

You know what I actually feel like Hawkeye had more screen time than professor hulk in the final battle.

[@tranquilk5912]

About every person got more screentime overall than Hulk himself, can even say Groot/baby/teenage groot had more screen time than the incredible hulk

[@flyingbooger2122]

@@tranquilk5912 lol

[@brahmaputramoskva1215]

The overall screen time of hulk was pathetic in both movies, atleast infinity war had good strange and Thor moments

[@flyingbooger2122]

@@brahmaputramoskva1215 honestly the 2 things I was disappointed with infinity War was Hulk/Banner and Captain America.

[@mr.iiconic]

Hawkeye deserves it honestly. They butchered him hard.

[@homoerectus2350]

Marvel wasted an opportunity to show Peter Quill finally back on earth after avoiding it for all this time, but he says nothing.

[@homoerectus2350]

are you serious? of course he knew he was from earth. the guardians movies build up the fact that he was taken from there and he’s always known that.

[@JohnSmith-ey6zy]

​@@afkpavi he knows he's a terran as in Terra (latin for earth/dirt, but i don't expect a kidnaped kid from the midwest to even know what latin is, unless they're Catholic schooled) for his entire life, and then somebody you never know tell you are from Earth, of course he's gonna deny it because he don't know what earth is and instead only ever knew it as Terra in his life.

[@bamlyolo3109]

John Smith dude he went to tony stark’s funeral the day after. That’s enough time to realize what planet he is on. Also dr strange must be around to explain to them where they were being teleported to

[@thelonleyghast8975]

sf4k1as and Tony responds that’s on Earth

[@Masonhill76]

Why would he care?

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

I actually forgot Hulk was in the final battle

[@Zathren]

Same!

[@GamerplushMaker]

Wait hulk was in the movie?

[@mist2666]

EXACTLY

[@hakon7269]

He was?

[@dr.boring7022]

Wait, The Incredible Hulk was in the MCU?

[@hihunter7]

I didn't really like Nebula at first, but the more I understand her story and trauma. I feel really bad for her and appreciate how complex and in depth she is. For mostly being a supporting character she's really been given a good amount of development and I've come to really appreciate her

[@nicktherude]

agreed i was just thinking why don't they do a nebula and/or gamora tv show or movie instead of fucking ms marvel

[@jamesgatz4490]

You'll get a better climax when you FIX THIS DAMN DOOR

[@weedle5221]

dammit what is this from

[@Mopark25]

@@weedle5221 Spiderman 3.

[@weedle5221]

@@Mopark25 ugh it all just came rushing back...

[@G.N.F462]

Give me climax.

[@lolekbolek916]

Give me rent!

[@KundelX]

One of the most significant things wasted was Drax and his backstory

[@TheCloserLook]

I agree with you, however they only had so much screen time, so focusing on Drax would mean they'd have to remove something else such as ant man meeting his daughter, then people would complain that we never saw that. It's kind of a lose-lose for the Russo's in that respect.

[@pretendtheresaname9213]

Not only him, Nebula was sadly put aside.

[@Luke101]

The Closer Look they had plenty of opportunities to pursue that plotpoint in IW and they didn’t do it either. Give Drax less stupid comedy moments and focus on what has been set up for him

[@bohdan_lvov]

@@Luke101 then again - we don't know whole story of Drax yet - maybe his whole arc in GoTG3 will be frustration from the fact that he wanted to avenge his family killing Thanos, but someone did it before him and now he doesn't know what to do next.

[@crimsonhunter7598]

Imagine what would have happened if they had put original drax in the MCU and did it like they now did with miss marvel, saying that drax is the strongest hero The guardians of the galaxy would be unnecessary and he could probably fight thanos alone So i think it's good that it's just green knife wielding batista Don't hate drax just saying

[@silentflamemc]

Doesn't relate to the video at all, but what I find funny is that the infinity stones affect the UNIVERSE I mean imagine being an alien chilling in Andromeda and then your whole family dies because some big grape dude in the Milky Way had some magic rocks.

[@TheCloserLook]

That made me laugh.

[@warriormadman]

2 real 7 me

[@NickolasShely]

You can put the other way around as well. All of the sudden half of our planet dies because somebody somewhere (perhaps in Andromeda) made a snap in a glove. With no effect on the events, it seems ridiculus. But how could we make it better? does it wipe out only half of the living in close by space? What does close by mean? Or perhaps it wipes out only half of the peeps Thanos have ever met? Idk how to improve it.

[@gctypo2838]

"some big grape dude"

[@chalonhutson]

Silentflame you’re grape dude comment 🤣🤣🤣

[@aristosachaion_]

The funny thing is, they actually hit all these notes in this movie, but in the fight BEFORE the climax, when the three stooges are fighting Thanos 3v1. It's a fight I always come back to when I remember this movie because it balances that sense of progression so well... and then they snub it all in the following fight.

[@agilemind6241]

Exactly, the fight before was the Helms Deep, and the portals opening was the Rohirim arriving. The problem with Endgame is that they then continue the battle for WAY too long when it's effective over, and they shove Tony Stark's sacrifice in it despite the fact that from the point the portals open the fight is entirely one-sided towards the heroes.

[@Athrun000]

My problem is that Thanos simply a raid boss in this movie. I much prefer the mastermind Thanos

[@mxwells216]

I agree...the thought of Thanos destroying the stones because of "temptation" is laughable. Thanos is the most discipline character in the MCU, I doubt having the gauntlet would give someone with his stature and mind a weak of a flaw

[@justincoleman2817]

That was done intentionally. Thaos in 2014 was a war monger who didn't care about anything but the Infinity War Thanos was more careful and smarter because he was a prophet. The directors confirmed this and that's why he is so different in Endgame

[@trureligionkidd]

What did he mastermind? He just pulled up and took the stones in infinity war like he was gonna do in endgame

[@justincoleman2817]

@@trureligionkidd In Infinity War he has a plan and he knows what to expect. In Endgame, 2014 Thanos' plan was to just use brute force and take the Infinity Gauntlet.

[@trureligionkidd]

@@justincoleman2817 what plan? I just remember him going to where the stones were and taking them, in endgame the stones were already together

[@benl.4577]

It's why Infinity War's final battle felt even more tense, because everyone was serious as hell. Endgame's final battle, although awesomely epic, was pure fanservice and had no stakes at all.

[@valeskatkda]

In Infinity War they couldn’t stop making jokes

[@spendsshanks6050]

@@valeskatkda Same with Endgame

[@ianmcelmurry2882]

I don’t really think infinity wars had much progression or stakes either

[@BTTFMovie]

What do you mean? Rather than kill only half the population, Thanos' plan became to kill everyone. No do-overs or second chances this time. If the Avengers lost again, the effects would've been permanent. The stakes were literally and objectively doubled.

[@benl.4577]

@@BTTFMovie yeah but the whole movie was basically dread on Thanos' arrival. Literally the whole world was all desparate to stop him. In endgame, they never planned for him to show up, he just kinda did and they fought right there and then.

[@StriderStryker]

2019: What a perfect way to end the *Infinity Saga.* Present Day: _There are too many plot holes and I lost count in this movie._

[@divine_masculine69]

Social media in a nutshell

[@klickklack3949]

@@divine_masculine69 movie just aged really terrible after the hype was gone

[@justnoel4088]

I knew it was a fan service movie the moment they went back to the Battle of New York from the first Avengers movie

[@matthewsoucy9073]

Times change as much as our opinions, don’t they?

[@LaurenceIsTechno]

When i first watched End Game, I instantly had a feeling of unsatisfaction. I loved Infinity War, i thought it was an epic movie that the whole MCU had been built up to. Then End Game came out, and it felt like a lazy rehash. Time travel back to all of the previous movies. The entire movie I felt like nothing new was being added to the narrative.

[@johndo9165]

Holy shit I've finally found someone puts it into words. The hollow feeling I felt watching that final battle is finally explained! Thank you sir.

[@whwhywhywhywhywhywhy]

Its nice to hear someone else say it, everyone I talked to IRL and online found the fight so epic and I thought it was so heartless and boring

[@allenbower1431]

Except he took the final battle and cut out most of it to make his point. The final battle doesn’t start with the portals, that’s the start of the end of the final battle. Since he uses the battle of Helm’s Deep as an example, the portals are Gandalf arriving. Except in Helm’s Deep this immediately ends the battle. In endgame there is more complexity. It’s actually really obvious that this is true when you look at it. In the battle of helm’s deep Theoden rides out (with a small number of riders) to be that last defense, to sacrifice himself in the face of overwhelming odds. It’s at this moment that Gandalf shows up and the battle is immediately over. Theoden doesn’t know that’s going to happen. But he acts anyway. See? It’s the same thing, except endgame spends more time and has more chances for failure even after this magic moment, while LotR immediately has the good guys win. In endgame Captain America steps forward to be the last defense against Thanos, to sacrifice himself in the face of overwhelming odds. It’s at this moment everybody else shows up and the battle is over, shortly, but not immediately, after. Captain America doesn’t know that’s going to happen. But he acts anyway.

[@whwhywhywhywhywhywhy]

@@allenbower1431 agreed. Shortening the post portal scene would have helped a lot. The post portal fight was meant to be a celebration / showcase of the vast array of MCU characters I suspect. It wasn't necessary for the movie.

[@choppyhakusho]

@@whwhywhywhywhywhywhy Then the people you talked t have a working brain and you don't the final battle was epic.

[@aktivniigomes1989]

it was hollow ​@@choppyhakusho

[@powerofanime1]

I was truly saddened that Tony didn't mention that Pepper was finally wearing something he'd gotten her.

[@cachorrao0703]

But... Pepper already did that before. In Iron Man 1,

[@powerofanime1]

@@cachorrao0703 When we first see Tony in Endgame, he tells Morgan that her mom never wears anything he gets her while looking at the Rescue helmet. Also, Pepper bought that dress for herself using a company card and let's Tony take credit when he comments on it...after snarking about how he forgot her birthday.

[@lukasundja3977]

there are alot of references in endgame that go to other mcu movies that they dont speak on in endgame but everyone who has seen the moments that are referenced to in endgame knows them. if they would speak on those references the movie would be 30 minutes longer at least but it would mean less imo

[@o0KuranYuuki0o]

@@powerofanime1 you don't need to speak out everything, knowing people already knew.

[@JaeWest]

Who cares??? 😂😂😂

[@tomasoshuilleabhain9268]

Man i just loved hearing the lord of the rings theme in the background

[@hunterhankins4245]

I love the The Ride of The Rohirrim

[@AK-Drakoin]

Trying to trick us with nostalgia. Plus the music is to pure for anyone to or in a video background. It belongs on its own or with the actual movie!

[@HighlandHellboy]

The part I find interesting here and it actually explains why I much prefer the fight in Infinity War compared to Endgame is that sense of progression. In Infinity War you see the set-up of the Wakandan army and Thanos’s army landing, you see the forcefield set-up, you then see Thanos’s army claw their way through the forcefield, yada-yada the point is you can see that narrative progression, you see the tide of war turning and shifting all the way to the very end, whereas that’s just missing in Endgame. Even each of the Black Order have moments that can be tracked in Infinity War during the final fight, whereas in Endgame they’re faceless goons.

[@pichitosmalltown3239]

That's true. It really does put into perspective how Infinity War's climax is a billion times more exciting

[@Chzrm3]

@@pichitosmalltown3239 Just across the board, Infinity War is a much stronger movie and really deserved a better sequel. Endgame was too unfocused and cluttered.

[@doomsterr]

You try and fit about a 1000 characters in a 15 minute fight and give them an equal amount of attention.

[@youareaspook5897]

​nobody would have cared if they added 10 min for some epic scale battle scenes with progressive story beats and a final showdown with thanos after he uses the stones to creatively nullify the advantage the avengers have before the final showdown with all the main line characters and their battle against thanos and whatever is left of his lieutenants. it was already hours long and they made so much money that another couple million on the budget (especially if people rewatch it more because of said improvement of final payoff) is a small price to pay

[@narniadici1976]

I LOVED Infinity War. I watched Endgame and I mostly felt sad

[@LiltryLive]

That alternative version of the fight is genuinely such a good idea that I felt all the emotions just by listening to it. It’s such a powerful idea that sent shivers down my spine that I would rather see than the actual climax of Endgame. And it’s sad that it’ll never be on screen 😭

[@Ra-Hul-K]

seriously what was his ending again? captain america beats thano's ass with mjolnir?

[@ihaventshoweredin7weeksbut792]

@@Ra-Hul-K maybe after cap holds off thanos with mjolnir long enough for tony to gain back consciousness, thanos gets the last stone and just repeat iron man’s death scene as he looks at doctor strange

[@CircuitrinosOfficial]

@@Ra-Hul-K The established goal was to finish repairing the time machine and send the stones back and erasing the new Thanos from that timeline. I'm not sure how he was planning to do that though.

[@MrMuel1205]

Wait a few years. Plug this version into an AI. Sit back and watch the superior version.

[@lolmanmagee2785]

same

[@thebatman.]

Man, I literally got chills when you described Professor Hulk reverting to the old Hulk but even angrier

[@reddragoner1932]

emotion are important in stories so why not use the most emotional dude for an important scene, right?

[@HEARTS-OF-SPACE]

We all wanted to see Hulk vs. Thanos again. He never got a legit rematch with Thanos.

[@AIIXIII0]

@@HEARTS-OF-SPACE True. I wanted Hulk to get more screentime. His arc are just mehhhh.

[@ehi_ij]

Remember the days when you were actually afraid of hulk?

[@god3538]

@@ehi_ij Dude exactly, also I saw your channel and I thought it was pretty funny new sub 👍

[@johannvantassel4604]

its also good to mention the Helm's Deep battle very successfully showed winning/losing sides spatially. You could immediately determine the orcs were winning because of the amount of layers of the fortress they advanced in. They pushed Rohan into the king's hall, which being the last safe room, was the most tense moment of the battle. in endgame, you can't see progression because there are no spatial landmarks to show armies advancing

[@KingOfEden12]

Just a little FYI. So during the battle of helms deep, the enemy were actually uruk hai. It was the 3rd movies' final battle where they fought against orcs.

[@johannvantassel4604]

@@KingOfEden12 yeah i know i just couldn't be bothered to try and spell out uruk hai

[@jaaaaaaaaaaaaaay]

@@KingOfEden12 uruk hai are just bigger orcs tho. There a breed of orc

[@permabulkenjoyer2002]

That was a siege, this is a battle on a field. There is a difference.

[@jaaaaaaaaaaaaaay]

@@permabulkenjoyer2002 during the battle of pellenor field, you could also see who was winning. During Rohans charge, we could see the orcs falling back to mordor. Rohan thought they had won, but then suddenly, Haradrim makes there own charge. We can see riders of Rohan charging around aimlessly in a moment of panic. It creates a lot of tension

[@anveshatripathi7034]

Watching this made me realise that the Infinity War battle at wakanda, and even the one at Titan, really checked all the boxes you mentioned. There was a tangible goal- protect vision till the mind stone is taken out. To do that, they needed to defend the lab. there were moments of despair- people breaking into shuri's lab, Thanos managing to get the time stone, thanos's army overpowering our heroes. But there were also moments of hope- wanda joining the fight, thor's epic entrance. overall, just a much better show than Endgame's shoddy and fan-servicey battle

[@Pok-qq9lt]

Avengers part 2 Fanservice-Game =D (with time travel)

[@Chzrm3]

@@AbhijeetMishra Yup. Infinity War is the best movie Marvel's ever made, and Endgame was a really, really weak follow-up.

[@agilemind6241]

The climax of Infinity war was better but the rest of it was just a glorified fetch quest with random thanos lackeys we know nothing about. Whereas endgame was the opposite, clever fun time travel plot with an utterly boring "climax" battle. Black Widow's sacrifice had a hundred times more meaning than Tony Stark's because they so screwed up that final battle.

[@StevenJones851]

​@@AbhijeetMishraagreed here

[@StevenJones851]

​@@AbhijeetMishrayeah same

[@DaveUnreally]

I’ve gotta agree. Fight scenes need a story. Also, I was disappointed the hulk didn’t get his sweet redemption and slap Thanos around some. I don’t care how skilled a fighter you are, you’re not out fighting the hulk unless it’s to aid the story in a certain direction

[@monkehotdogs2227]

Its an absolute shame how badly hulk has been nerfed in the MCU 🤣Not as bad as Taskmaster at least

[@Nickwilde2295]

So what if it's disappointing it was the last Marvel movie before marvel movies went to shit in 2020s

[@monkeynuts1046]

i wanted hulk to give thanos the loki treatment

[@dominiquejones3805]

He didn't have 2 beat Thanos but I mean a stare down then throw down a lil bit would of been enough 4 me. Hulk has been nerf3d 2 nothing. Loki isn't even dangerous n his own show

[@jblegend5272]

Nah I’m glad he didn’t

[@night1952]

The war in Endgame was a victory lap, not an actual struggle.

[@TheCloserLook]

Of course it was, but it was the climax, one of the key things a climax has to do is well... be a climax. It has to be the moment with the highest stakes, the highest dread, the moment where the viewer is the most glued to their seat, the most afraid for their characters, and this climax failed in that respect. That's the point I make in this video, although I completely get why the Russo's did what they did.

[@night1952]

@@TheCloserLook i know, i meant it as a negative. There were no stakes, it was just pointless action and fanservice.

[@leonhartdragomir8948]

@UCLlRx3VzQT5YNIZ-odcewzA DJKokaKola I'm sorry but that's just not true. Endgame is the real climax, not an epilogue. It's nowhere comparable to the retaking of the Shire. Thanos's snap in Infinity War was a cliffhanger. Sure, it was the end to his story arc, but it was a cliffhanger for the Avengers, who are the main protagonists. Thanos is the main antagonist, just like Sauron was. The war at the end was a fight for the whole universe, not just one planet or country. Every single superhero was there, not just a small subset of them. The scale and context is completely different from the Scouring of the Shire. And even if you think its just an epilogue, this was still a full on war, not a bunch of individual fights. And it should do what a well written war does.

[@wesleyscott1633]

Dilip Tomar endgame took place over a single day, not much of a war

[@leonhartdragomir8948]

@@wesleyscott1633 Oh screw me, I said war instead of battle. I meant battle. My bad.

[@squirreldemon3506]

The infinity war climax, especially the fight on Titan, is so much more intense than the one here. Even the climax in wakanda in infinity war is much better.

[@TheShootingStar129]

Hi Aniv. I like Closer Look’s channel too but I feel like it’s the wrong channel to comment my dislike for Infinity War on

[@marko3793]

AGREE! I always thought the war in Wakanda was better. Specially that part when Thanos already reached Scarlet and Vision.

[@dtccocomelon9114]

I didn't think wakanda was better,it kinda dragged

[@dtccocomelon9114]

I do agree that the battle on titan is better

[@tenderandmoist5011]

I agree on the first half, the rest tho? Ehhh...for me the climax in Wakanda was one of the worse ones in the franchise

[@narwa3991]

There is nothing strategic about the battle at all, and you're absolutely right about Thanos' army. No one even asks how Thanos managed to rally such forces well in advance of ever having the plan that led to all this in the first place; his only motivation _is_ being threatened before he is an actual threat, and in that case there is no reason for anyone to support motives that do not yet exist.

[@legendarybroly2]

Maybe he went to the thanos in the main tL army and told them hes from the past and has a new plan

[@Writing_Gamer_513]

@@legendarybroly2 Nah I think we should think of it like they said in the movie or should I say we should use an example from Back to the Future or Doctor Who, Person A goes through time to the future, sets Space-Time coordinates so Person Ω has time to gather his entire army together. Oh you know it’s just a bunch of wibbly wobbly timey wimey stuff.

[@TheChocoboKid]

You are forgetting Thanos' army are blindly devoted to him and his causes to a point where it's equal to faith in a deity.

[@on13kflow]

Listening to your version of the final battle was a bittersweet moment. As it gave me such excitement (goosebumps and all) as if I was watching the scene (perfected) for the very first time and unfortunately knowing that I would never get that epic new ending was saddening.

[@Ra-Hul-K]

seriously what was his ending again? captain america beats thano's ass with mjolnir?

[@DooDooWater9732-n5z]

@@Ra-Hul-K but better. Did you pay attention?

[@givemeanameiwillhate9525]

@@Ra-Hul-K who's thano's?

[@Ra-Hul-K]

@@givemeanameiwillhate9525 he is Thanos' singular twin brother who goes by the name Thano 🤪

[@erasedexistence4161]

@@Ra-Hul-K Why must you reply with the same statement on every comment regarding the better version of the story? Already shows your lack of creativity.

[@cattledogandstaffy]

I feel like all of the Guardians were severely under utilised in Endgame. It felt like they were thrown in as an afterthought.

[@leonardo9259]

You can say that about a great part of rhe characters

[@boyzaya15]

You mean like EVERY other character aside from the main cast?

[@lp.shakur]

only rocket got real screentime

[@NTLBagpuss]

Yeah but it was an Avengers movie, considering that they actually got a lot of screen time.

[@lp.shakur]

@@NTLBagpuss everyone in this was an avenger dude the avengers arent just those 6 or 7

[@archetype8326]

There was little tension , the fact that shuri can fight in this battle and survive without any injuries is absolutely baffling.

[@ChrisDodges123]

....but you're okay with Howard The Duck

[@slothrocket8540]

Also, from the snapped peoples' perspectives, they're teleported to the battlefield mere moments after being snapped, so when did she have time to deck herself out in war paint and fighting gauntlets?

[@tvman250]

Chris Dodges Howard the Duck lived with Ravengers in GotG2. So it kinda makes since that he would have actual combat experience, or at the very least survival tactics. Shuri on the other hand has never shown combat experience, unless you count getting bodied by Killmonger and Corvus Glaive. I don’t personally have beef w/ Shuri, but come on even Spiderman was getting trashed in that battle.

[@Fannystark007]

@@slothrocket8540 Its a fairly long time after Banner snapped them back. And Dr Strange has seen this one outcome and just might have instructed them about the faith of the universe? I feel sad for the Asgardian and Wakandan soldiers which litteeally have been in a serious battle before they got snapped.

[@canghaiyangfan]

Chris Dodges stfu Howard is the most op character and you know it.

[@alyssaharger6992]

Infinity war is an incredible movie, endgame has incredible moments. That’s how I’ve always thought of it.

[@itszaque]

100% agreed! Endgame had great fan service but Infinity War was the real work of art.

[@90AlmostFamous]

Endgame has zero moments. Infinity war has memorable moments (almost every guardians and avengers interactions)

[@alyssaharger6992]

90AlmostFamous what about Avengers Assemble, or Cap picking up Mjolnir.

[@JamieWAbbott]

YES. Gosh damn yes this comment is perfect

[@mania4270]

Infinity war was ok, i think ppl were just so in to the characters that they gavw it a pass. Cap America has no arc in that movie. The wakanda scenes come off as forced. It wasnt very good

[@ButchersNailsEnjoyer]

The 3 v 1 of thanos vs the avengers felt like the actual final battle cause it felt like he could’ve killed any of them at any point

[@mateusbandeira9017]

Even that was weird because Rogers was taking hits from Thanos like he had super strength or something

[@АртурАртуров-ф4ю]

​@@mateusbandeira9017 And Thor was getting staggered by Thanos' punches and kicks as if he didn't tank Hulk's attacks on the regular.

[@zoomedcheese]

@@АртурАртуров-ф4юThanos is way stronger than Hulk though

[@huntedskelly]

Doctor Strange saw all the outcomes, meaning he got to watch this epic version you came up with, but we didn't :( Lucky Doctor Strange

[@TomEyeTheSFMguy]

I guess the writers didn't see it.

[@ryansean8371]

He could just tell Iron Man to do the "I Am Iron Man" thing at the very beginning

[@elianwilliams]

Ryan Sean i doubt that would have worked, that plan working relied on Thanos thinking he’d already won therefore getting cocky and using the final moments to gloat rather than realise the stones are gone

[@bruhbruh4635]

The whole Dr. Strange shenanigans of seeing million versions of the future was made just to force a ''dramatic sacrifice'' as an ending. That's just bad and lazy writing.

[@huntedskelly]

@@bruhbruh4635 Actually, I disagree. I think doctor strange did see many of the futures, and there were many that they won, but all the ones where they won required doctor strange to tell Tony that there was only 1 way. If Tony believed there were other ways, he wouldn't have made that sacrifice. So DoctorStrange had to tell him that for them all to be able to win

[@chickfilaluvverrrr1773]

"why doesnt ant man just belly flop on the bad guys?"

[@happyfrantic7127]

Would be quite fascinating

[@Howardtheone]

Thanos army: *Points weapons upward* Ant-man: *OH SHIT NEEDLES-*

[@joymatdell1054]

Bro, that might have consequences like shaking the entire area until it cracked

[@fargo1234]

@@joymatdell1054 that doesn't make sense like MCU

[@joymatdell1054]

@@fargo1234 yeah I guess your right this just my thoughts to be honest

[@DJ-kx8bg]

"You can't do what a child does with it's toys." Lol. that sums it up perfectly.

[@ezekielglenn5009]

That sums up the mcu

[@AZ30590]

They shoulda went with what an adult does with their toys

[@RM-cn8pw]

D J It literally doesn’t at all.

[@thonk1914]

in my opinion, make a movie fun especially a super hero movie mashing your toys together and making a huge battle is fun if you can turn that into a movie and make it fun then I'm happy

[@RM-cn8pw]

ZEDreality You mean just put them on a shelf to collect dust, and in some cases, not even take them out of the box?

[@frenchvideoclub8031]

So glad someone said this. I was so excited when the portals opened, and I was like, “wow, I wonder how they’re going to structure this fight,” and then everyone just ran forward. I was like, “oh, well, I guess that’s one way to do it.”

[@alphax101-gaming2]

I still don’t get it, how else is that supposed to go? Like that’s literally how large superhero battles work?? Anything different would be stupid

[@djon5008]

Infinity war's scene at wakanda was very good, thanos' generals or whatever had a strategy to infiltrate the base and get what they want.

[@crimsonhunter7598]

@El Bearsidente well they're not cowards so they fight close

[@crimsonhunter7598]

But the black order was still pretty weak

[@CrowderHatingConservative]

@@crimsonhunter7598 You mean they were stupid? Only the dumb fight fair.

[@RK-ep8qy]

Crimson Hunter hats not strategy, you fire at the enemies from far away to thin them down and then charge. It's why nearly every army in history had archers and then canons too.

[@crimsonhunter7598]

But it would have sucked if everyone just hid behind the force field, shot thanos army with canons and that's it

[@Jus-Too-Smoove]

I just don’t understand why Strange, Wong, or any of the warriors with sling rings couldn’t either teleport the van to the heroes or the heroes to the van.

[@jake05]

That's probably why they had Strange keep the water from flooding the battlefield. They had to somehow get rid of him to make everything harder for the hero's, thus making a more interesting story.

[@Jus-Too-Smoove]

@@jake05 trust me I get it, but you got to get me. Because in the movie just before it in Infinity War we saw Strange sling Bruce into a park in New York somewhere with a whole ass taxi right behind him. Now you said Strange was occupied but it’s not like there wasn’t hundreds of other warriors with sling rings present. Hell get Wong. But it is what it is. They make billions for there movies not making any sense and I’m still poor for pointing out the inconsistencies within them 😂😂😂

[@Jus-Too-Smoove]

Actually half a taxi. I went back and watched it. 😅😅 But whatever, same difference, they could’ve done it.😂😂

[@jake05]

Lol I see your point. There were A LOT of other wizards around but whatever. It is what it is.

[@Femmeaesthetic]

@@Jus-Too-Smoove If you didn't know strange saw the future when he was meditating so obviously he would keep quiet till endgame

[@i.t.y1140]

I really like how you did the Hulk part. They completely killed off the raging Hulk in the movie

[@jinxsauce5095]

I think that's one missed opportunity

[@benl.4577]

I absolutely hate how they butchered Hulk in this one.

[@k1legend175]

@@benl.4577 and Thor

[@benl.4577]

@@k1legend175 Imo I like how they handled thor a bit. He was too comedic at times and was made the butt of the joke way too much than necessary, but him dealing with his mother's death as well as being sort of useless because of his regret and insecurities is really interesting.

[@k1legend175]

@@benl.4577 it would’ve been fine if they had turned Thor back into how he was in infinity war later on around the time they start time travelling back for the stones but instead keeping him like that for the whole movie really just made a lot of the scenes with him way less serious then were intended to be because of Thor’s appearance

[@Falconer22]

Five years later and I wanted to thank you for articulating what I could not. I felt...let down, a bit, by the ending fight. It was simply a repeat of every other MCU big fight.

[@tomlinson1710]

I loved the buildup to the fight instead of the actual fight.

[@andreasalazar6710]

Yes! The build up it's the one that feels incredible because it actually relials in everything that came before and lead to this moment

[@thesmartonesback2650]

Build up is better than payoff most of the time because pay offs are hard to do you have to look at every aspect of the build up and payoff all of it and that hard.

[@bryanwoo8415]

The big three vs Thanos was better but the "portals" scene is so epic

[@nachiket7565]

@@thesmartonesback2650 You ever watched code Geass?

[@fungusz_4292]

ofc

[@Zeppelinschaffner22]

While I did t hate the finale, the fight scene on Titan in Infinity War is simply a lot better because it has a clear goal and you an easily follow their moves

[@condawg5984]

I love that fight sooooo much. The teamwork and desperation to take down thanos’ raw power was crazy

[@uveshpanja6293]

I love the team work it wasn't not forced like it's only on iron man even mantis had best moment to make Thanos sleep

[@bowhunter8532]

Infinity War was 100X better in every way

[@glo2fr823]

It’s always interesting how people who do nothing but watch movies always have the most to complain about, these things take time and a lot of effort. Here come u bold movie reviewers tearing down everything they don’t like about it. Never created nothing in their lives but reaction videos to OTHER peoples work. Just appreciate that is even there for u to watch it’ll never be perfect cuz we all have different views

[@tristanreimers423]

@@glo2fr823 JUST CONSUME, DONT QUESTION JUST ENJOY E V E R Y T H I N G

[@chewangia8]

Really wanted to see Hulk thunderclap Thano's army.

[@mad-dash6448]

che wangia kinda hard to do that when one arm is practically gone lol

[@boogiewoogie343]

@@mad-dash6448 How about when he thunderclap using one of the soldiers as a replicate of his palm? He could just slap one really hard.

[@mad-dash6448]

Papi Wario or just take a page from MHA and start flicking fingers and popping his thumb off his cheek.

[@boogiewoogie343]

@@mad-dash6448 Slapping a face the size of his palm is more effective, not only will it brutally destroy the enemy's face, but the others' faces as well.

[@GamerplushMaker]

Wait hulk was in the movie?

[@DustinM83]

This "improved" version is missing one key emotional piece. In the original, the Avengers weren't sure they succeeded in bringing everyone back. So the big emotional moment when all hope is lost is followed by "not only did we succeed in bringing everyone back, but now we have help". Learning that they brought everyone back separately from help arriving diminishes that big moment. I wish there was a way to incorporate these changes without diluting that moment's emotional impact.

[@Particle9a4]

That's actually possible, just have Wong do it instead of Dr. Strange. After Thanos arrives just have him tells The Avengers that he would gather every remaining help he can find (or have Captain America told him to after noticing that Thanos bring an army). Even if the snapped not brought back, there are still the remains of Asgardians, Wakandans, and Kamar Taj Sorcerers. And the rest plays out the same.

[@DustinM83]

@@Particle9a4 Genius!

[@Oscar-dc4ur]

Damn. That’s a good point

[@mowgli6345]

My main gripe with is was how the Black Order became extremely small characters. They were super strong in IW, and then they just get dealt with on the battle field no problem in Endgame.

[@udontfeelsogood9037]

@Just a guy who's a hero for fun 2014*

[@brox6077]

I think they were still well past 30 in 2014 who knows what their lifespan is

[@dollyonelly4564]

i feel it's because there was so many characters there to fight them off where as in IW, there was only a few fighting each other at a time

[@tutorialslave]

I agree. Each of them should've killed at least one named character, such as Wong, War Machine, Kraglin, Mantis etc.

[@wilsonkelman986]

@@tutorialslave what a stupid idea

[@Thanatoast250]

I really like the idea of Hulk losing his absolute mind after Black Widow's death in your scenario. Not only does it give the idea of a shift in hope, but can also lead to more complications. Bruce has now ditched his effort to fix the hypothetical time machine in order to tear through the armies, and we've seen him before in the series of giving no care for the environment, so it possibly creates a bit of a weakness in the hypothetical fortification as he barrels out to thrash the army, leading to a mixture of both hope and dread. Yes, we see Hulk do his Hulk thing, but as a result it's also created at least TWO complications in the situation: one less person helping with the hypothetical Time Machine, and now part of their defenses have been traded for offense. Good tension.

[@Margen67]

Pikachu needs HUGS

[@F76CC]

But then you would’ve had to find something different to not like about the movie.

[@Pok-qq9lt]

in my head.. as he had describes it i saw it .. and had goose bumps from the sheer terror that would be displayed. also its a very tragic moment, because a charackter consumed by wrath, anger and pure hate is one of the saddest things that can happen. (the way of darth vader) one by one... an avanger would fall in this war and so the survivors would change. that would be a great story.

[@kaled8839]

@@F76CC if there are things not to like why is it bad to address them? to critique art is to truly wish the best for it, and current marvel.. needs FAR more critique at the top line

[@rileyolson6008]

When he threw the stool in the lake I was like… really…………………………. Das it

[@Topunito]

I did not think anyone would have the guts to make a video with THAT title. I salute you.

[@kykel4948]

He was able to do it because he was also able to back it up. Lots of good points that I had issues with myself when I saw the movie. The ending, while impactful with Tony's demise was otherwise a CGI character showboat of little story value. So much missed potential.

[@thomaszhang5437]

its called justified clickbait

[@bird9230]

Article writing 101. Controversial is better than factual.

[@DocAlexandrite]

What a hero, omg, he bravely made clickbait when no one else would

[@danielred5470]

MrMortsnarg considering he did what he titled. Then it is not clickbait.

[@bluenorthgopher7285]

when you said "... and the original 3 avengers, the last line of defence... and Cap kicking his ass with that hammer..." i literally got chills. that`d be SO EPIC fr.

[@Azazreal]

The main part i liked about your rewrite is the Hulk part. He never got a conclusion to his story, part one he gets his ass kicked and literally wont come out. Part 2....hes just a wimp now.

[@aaaamar4u]

It's called subverting expectations just because it didn't serve wet dreams of fans doesn't mean it didn't serve the character arc. Bruce explains in the film in good dialogue about how he and hulk lost twice when they lost in infinity war. He is the one who brought them all back and it serves the purpose of narrative and his character arc. It breaks the cliche of hulk being hulky and nothing else. How long are we going to see the same old hulk? People really got bored in age of Ultron, at least they rediscovered his character with Ragnarok and pushed him to something else. The same with fat thor. It's good character writing and they definitely can't please everyone especially not fan boys who act like petulant children.

[@bulbasaurboy9893]

Marvel Studios would probably have liked a movie to explain more about the Hulk backstory after the travesty of "The Incredible Hulk". But they don't have rights, and you can't expect a Hulk backstory in a film like this, with such massive plots.

[@aaronwishard7093]

@Vela S If they even bother to respond to your comment I'm expecting to see "Rian Johnson is the best story teller of all time because he ALWAYS subverts your expectations." Or perhaps, "The only story is a story you'll never be able to predict". Since as you pointed out the formula for Hulk stories is nearly a century old. Truly it's even older than that when you look at the basic roots. And it's Jekyll and Hyde. Instead of having some magic potion do the deed it's radiation. Instead of it being good vs evil, it's more akin to the conscious vs subconscious. Let the inner anger and turmoil win, but at what cost. Because Hulk has been treated as the original "Super Powered Bad Side" that anime took to the 11th degree or even further. That means that the good, and the bad, parts of that trope come out in just about any Hulk story. The bad is when we realistically can't predict exactly what power level he's going to be at. The good part is that it's predictable what triggers it. Granted yes I know the comics have an actual better scale of how he would be per power level, but in the Movies specifically, even before Endgame "subverted our expectations", to me he always felt like he was never concrete.

[@tristan8940]

I feel similarly; it felt like they killed the Hulk offscreen after a good bit of character development over several movies. Hurt bad.

[@jacobd1984]

Part 2 is, Hulk and Banner have reconciled and merged into one. He’s not nearly as aggressive, but he’s not a wimp either. The problem is, they just told us what the conclusion of the story was. It was a fine idea, but unlike Thor falling into depression, not the kind of thing you get to just leave offscreen.

[@BenjiH23]

Kid: “What’s the best thing about your generation?” Me: “I got to see The Battle Of Helm’s Deep on the big screen as a kid.”

[@rainbowfury1019]

It was not the final battle that made the memorable bit of Endgame for me. It was Cap wielding Mjolnir.

[@adrianrocha49]

I watched the battle at the Black Gates in the theaters though, I was younger so I didn't really appreciate it at the time, I definitely do now.

[@benjarvis7485]

Good lord what a great piece of cinematic history we got to be apart of

[@Puppy_Puppington]

Oh man I loved going to see LOTR on the big screen :,) my mom is the bestest. Then on my b day or x mas I could get one of those expensive detailed articulate figurines !!!

[@marisp2588]

I'm so jealous.. I was still a bit too young to watch them when they came out so I never got to see them in the theaters..

[@MiotaLee]

This makes me realize how little I remember of Endgame.

[@talhamaab]

i mean it was a grwat film but forgetful one

[@bugsyn]

MiotaLee Exactly! The only memorable part is the final battle

[@PerfectDark0]

_____ COMING TO AN END??? The DCEU or whatever will NEVER overpower the MCU. That’s pure fact

[@pretendtheresaname9213]

@_____ Joker was pretty bad.

[@spookyhours607]

pretend there's a name it actually wasn’t.

[@th3logician]

True story: When Captain America picked up Thor’s Hammer and I was in the theater watching it I literally yelled “YEA CAPTAIN AMERICA!” Without even realizing it. I only realized I did that when my brother shook my arm and was like “dude we are in a theater.”

[@User-zv1sd]

Haha that’s awesome

[@greatdayfilms]

I could never put my finger on why I didn't like Endgame as much as Infinity War until now! This was it! A major lack of tension throughout the entire film!!!

[@maddiesinger5414]

Yup true, but the Time Heist was tense imo. The final act wasn't though

[@TheStraightestWhitest]

That's because we knew what'd happen in this one. Infinity War, from its very name, to its trailers, to its music and setting, was unlike the rest of the MCU. It was by far the greatest thing they've ever made. Endgame was in my opinion one of the worst. I didn't feel the need to go see it in cinemas, and I literally fell asleep watching it at home. I didn't even fall asleep during Black Panther, so imagine that!

[@_JayRamsey_]

@@TheStraightestWhitest I recently watched Endgame for the first time, at home; my son had to tell me how it ended. I didn't even realise I'd fallen asleep because of how assured victory was by the point of the last battle.

[@jp-zp3ds]

Straight White Male black panther was good though

[@LordMegatron-qk2gz]

Endgame is still great and I would not call it bad. Haters.

[@sofiyashazal]

I honestly thought that infinity war had the best story/battle arc. So well executed

[@The_Oracle_58]

That's the point. Endgame was the story oriented segment whereas end game is the climax to the it

[@tinalovre]

Lmaoo you mean in mcu, right?

[@desireandfire]

Infinity war had amazing pacing, it was so good

[@MCernoble]

The battle in infinity war was okay. It was not “the best” but it certainly tops endgame.

[@serkomaani4346]

Marvel is just overhyped. Great effects but the plot is always lacking

[@GordonSeal]

The one thing that bothers me, Thanos could have killed the Avengers army in an instant the moment they stepped through the portals, by just blasting them with his huge spaceship cannons.

[@diannajennings266]

Not really... The directors said, for us to treasure that iconic moment it was slowed down from our perspective but to Thanos and his army's perspective, they probably arrived all at the same time.There was no awkward waiting in real time that is.

[@diannajennings266]

It's cinematic liberty and I'm glad they did it that way because the feeling was incredible around the world

[@aakarshverma5793]

That's the most stupid thing to do, attacking people coming out of nowhere is most dumbfk idea ever

[@GordonSeal]

@Ks The final battle already sucked, there was no tension, no question who's going to win and nothing interesting happening. It was just a shiny but meaningless visual mashup. With most of the "good guys" getting blasted right away, the odds would at least not be in the heroes favor and you would wonder how they are going to win this.

[@Youfrbray]

@@GordonSeal that a lie quit hating just bc this stupid KZbinr said it’s bad

[@greatwavefan397]

I'm considering writing an endgame scene for a fanfic, and you've made some excellent points that remind me of how I wanna approach character development: The whole. It can be overwhelming to focus on the development of each individual character, but treating groups as if they were their own characters helps simplify things, add more meaning to their growing relationships, and keep the readers reminded of their goals. Am I reading this right?

[@bigfanofstuff3266]

When you're done, leave a link. I'd really love to read that

[@gracehickey9719]

love how this video provided not only criticism but also solutions and examples of how this sequence could have been improved!

[@mrpedrobraga]

That's what criticism is supposed to be like!!!!

[@goratuti1098]

That’s what constructive criticism is

[@mastermuffin3950]

thats what i like about this channel so much

[@Bozopeoples]

Seriously, I hate when people criticize without giving any insight on how something could've been better, just makes them seem like negative assholes

[@KangarooMonkey]

His examples was just copying Lord of the Rings, and I'll admit it would've been better but you could improve almost any movie scene by ripping off Lord of the Rings.

[@margaretcummings4146]

I freaking HATED that "diversity moment", it felt completely unearned, like there was literally no reason for all of the women in the MCU to be in the same shot together. It felt like the creators being like "look at all the women we have! Give us a cookie!!" Which felt especially cheap considering how Tony's sacrifice was SO honored he got this huge funeral with everyone in attendance, and even though Natasha made the exact same sacrifice, she basically got no acknowledgement aside from one person saying they miss her. In addition to restructuring the battle the way you described, I would also restructure the ending, so that the original avengers got their moment of recognition, but the last moment of the film was that long shot of all of them, so that we could see how far we've come since the beginning, and how many people had to fight together to save the world.

[@Mirrorcomics24]

Girls do get it done>endgame girl scene

[@luke5930]

@@Mirrorcomics24 I was literally about to say a good example of a female fight is the boys one lol. That one felt badass and it felt earned and it didn't feel forced at all, in fact everyone was cheering, with endgame everyone was just a bit annoyed

[@Mirrorcomics24]

@@luke5930 yep

[@vidzpk5144]

They did Black Widow so dirty

[@jackmcgough1164]

The diversity moment did feel a bit forced I respect the reason for adding it but it felt way too checkboxish and unnatural

[@GenericProtagonist7]

Here's the thing: The fight in LOTR is like a multiplayer match in a videogame; It feels real, every soldier is out their with their own objectives and goals to complete on top of just killing the enemy, and every single soldier has the chance to turn the tide of the battle. There is a tangible sense that either side could win. The fight in End game is like a war sequence in a single player game; it's a backdrop to the player and no matter what you do it will always end the same way, even if you stand there and do nothing the fight will end the same way, either your NPC Allies will continue to progress in endless waves inevitably overrunning the enemy, or, your NPC Allies will kill enough enemies to trigger an unavoidable cutscene where you lose. There is a false sense of "anyone could win" but it's an easily shattered façade.

[@chrisdawson1776]

Perfect analogy

[@sebasmartinsm]

@The Path That Rocks cant kill her though cause that would be sexist and we have to hold Hollywood to their patriarchy crimes

[@havelyntherockelyn1576]

I completely agree this was an excellent analogy! Take the like

[@GenericProtagonist7]

@The Path That Rocks I didn't have any real game in mind when I typed this comment. But for reference, one that I know well myself for the single player war sequences are any of the battles in Call of Duty: World at War. When I used to play it I'd sit back and simply spectate the two armies fight it out, inevitably the Allies would overwhelm the Axis forces every single time no matter what difficulty it was on simply because the Allies spawned endlessly and there where a limited number of Axis soldiers.

[@dannypalin9583]

Generic Protagonist This. What spoiled the finale in Endgame is that even in the midst of a big battle, characters can stand around and talk and the opposing side won't even try to attack them while they're distracted.

[@ruairidhsaunders]

Nat dying and setting Bruce off into Hulk is ALWAYS how I imagined it being better. In your version, have Bruce never turn into brainy Hulk. Keep him human and depressed over the 5 years. He can be in the room fixing the time machine during this version of the battle, but have him need to leave the room for some reason, maybe to grab an item that got lost in the shuffle. He leaves and sees Natasha on the battlefield die at Thanos' hand, as she sacrifices herself to save Clint. This is the moment. Bruce is standing still, silence fills his world. The tint of green envelopes his eyes. There is no stopping it now. He grows larger than ever and Hulk is unleashed in full force. He rumbles through the battle, killing all henchman in his way. He targets Thanos, gets into a rematch from Infinity War, but now gets in all the punches he couldn't get in Infinity War, beating Thanos back with great force... HOWEVER Thanos (like he does in Endgame with Captain Marvel) grabs the Power Stone and in a last ditch saving grace, punches the Hulk with it. This take Hulk out of the equation and Bruce can no longer work the machine. Hope is lost. HOWEVER at that point Doctor Strange returns through a portal with Shuri, the only other genius that can fill the void. She sees Hulk turn back into Bruce as he loses consciousness. He tells her which item she needs. She gets it and moves on. Boom, rollercoaster.

[@27DJMA]

Video: "Now before you hit disli--" Dislikes: "I am iNEvitBLe"

[@oakleyhasafoot7878]

27DJMA this video: and I.... am... an opinion

[@tarnishedpose]

@@oakleyhasafoot7878 look at little mcu fanboy Jr Gonna cry?

[@oakleyhasafoot7878]

Nicolas S. How am I an MCU fan boy if this guy said the final fight wasn’t good and I said it was an opinion?

[@TheCloserLook]

Dread it, run from it, the dislikes still arrive all the same.

[@joshgroban5291]

@@oakleyhasafoot7878 it's a joke

[@idigamstudios7463]

Actual conversation when watching Endgame with my buds: "What's Captain Marvel's powers?" "Damage." "Why is she here?" "Damage."

[@AaBbCcDdEeFfGgHhliJj]

More like: - What's Captain Marvel's powers? - Gender empowering...

[@basedandcumpilled5523]

her power is simply *Getting Stronger* with no explanation whatsoever

[@yoqueen9366]

I mean add game was filmed before captain marvel....

[@NatsumiMichi]

Thanos kicking her ass into the dirt was a definite highlight of the battle. Funny how they establish a damn near supersayian character that eventualyl proceeds to fail at even the most basic of tasks. Like 500m obstacle track run glove delivery. And she can *fly*.

[@artisticiguana3590]

Endgame was filmed before captain marvel, so her abilities weren’t very clear. They just tried to make her important and although it didn’t work very well, she still proved a vital character in the battle.

[@yessir2514]

TLDR: Props to the CGI Artists, The writers are lacking,

[@galaxydogenut9801]

Yep.

[@floweyfangirl69420]

Yep.²

[@justtrying1952]

Yep. (3)

[@galaxydogenut9801]

@@justtrying1952 Yep x 4.

[@taisonbertalam2832]

Yep. ❺

[@GreatGreenGoo]

I really like what you did with Hulk. They should have given him that moment. He deserved it

[@RiseOfTheKumquat67]

For all the fan service that was in this film, it absolutely pales in comparison to what they could've done if the Infinity Stones were utilized properly: -Imagine Thor loading the Power Stone into Stormbreaker and then fighting Thanos with a partially complete Gauntlet. -Imagine hundreds of wizards and Asgardians fighting in vain to slow down Thanos while he has the Reality Stone. -Imagine either side all-but-winning the fight only for someone to use the Time Stone. So much of what made Infinity War so great was the creative fight scenes that were only made possible because of the Infinity Stones and now it's all over. Marvel will never have an opportunity like this again.

[@TheCloserLook]

Exactly, the infinity stones had so much cool potential for uses for utterly terrifying the audience with how powerful they are. And it was never used :/

[@Jaslath]

@@TheCloserLook Because if the stones were used in such a fashion the heroes would have never won. At least not with any believability.

[@optimusprime8609]

@@revolverswitch Plz explain

[@bluechick7113]

I‘ve never thought about it that way and I want to thank you for this amazing idea! I particularly love the image of the wizards vs the reality stone

[@Ixe2077]

Well, the 2015 Secret Wars is going to be implemented into the MCU in the future so I think we'll see even crazier shit there, or you can wait for Doctor Strange 2 because that's supposed to be totally bonkers.

[@dika_hilman]

Drax must be so disappointed that he can't kick Thanos' ass directly

[@dboot8886]

Thought Hulk would get his getback for getting beaten on the ship... like the real Hulk. Like the glasses come off and we get the good ol' "Graaaaah!" Back.

[@draxvelo2788]

Hello

[@goodsonicfan5016]

Nebula is also probably disappointed that she didn’t get her revenge on Thanos.

[@ikhwanmauaja1184]

Hulk: "Yeah? Get in the line"

[@draxvelo2788]

DrumLord111 Nebula should go back in time

[@spritemon98]

I hated scarlet witch in the movies because the movies never improved her for me while in Wandavision I absolutely love her character

[@Skyewardbound]

Wandavision made me appreciate AoU a hell of a lot more

[@mawinstallation6626]

Civil War tho...

[@Xenpen6]

I eeally likes he rin the movies but wanda vision made me LOVEE her

[@spritemon98]

@@mawinstallation6626 in civil war it felt like their romance was a bit forced

[@alexanderrique579]

Improved how ? Because in every appearance her powers grow and get stronger compare her from age of Ultron to endgame her powers have developed by leaps and bounds and her character changes and improves so I'm wondering what you mean

[@Bopperann]

The whole time I was begging that Strange would at least try using the portal to sever Thanos' gauntlet arm. But it never happens. Sure, portals are OP, but it'd be nice to at least have an excuse for the obvious unused strategies.

[@TacticalSocks]

The most underwhelming factor was having 2014 Thanos as the "ultimate bad guy" in the 3rd act, instead of 2023 Thanos; the stakes didn't feel as high and personal as they should've been.

[@gawkgawk1000]

How is Thanos going to be alive in 2023 if Thor chopped his head?

[@kuusakat1308]

@@gawkgawk1000 that doesn't negate their point lol

[@gawkgawk1000]

@@kuusakat1308 but it doesn't make sense

[@kuusakat1308]

@@gawkgawk1000 Well then you need to work around it. Either have the Thanos at the end be from, let's say 2018. Or 2023, but in the past. Or then don't kill Thanos in the beginning.

[@gawkgawk1000]

@@kuusakat1308 so the point is?

[@normis6620]

The problem with the end of endgame is that they aren’t fighting Thanos. They’re fighting “Thanos from the past” who has nothing to do with what happened. He was shoehorned in the story because they needed a final boss.

[@JohnSmith-ns6dp]

Normis Yeah. Seeing him beheaded at the start of the movie ruined the movie immediately.

[@arthurmorgan1830]

John Smith i dont know all about that🤷‍♂️,i feel like thanos had his time to shine,the movie was about the avengers and it only needed okay villain

[@natyinthehouse]

John Smith it’s called a plot twist. In the day we live in, we don’t get surprised about what the plot of movies are anymore, especially blockbusters. Thanos was dead and there was nothing anyone else could do so it was over. The characters completely lost hope that anything could change what happened. Then Ant-Man returns and so does the hope of the Avengers. Then time travel. Then they succeeded. And the battle is their second chance to protect everything they lost and they’re gonna do it right this time. It’s the same exact stakes and they know the consequences all too well. Thanos might be from 2014, but he knows everything that happens from Nebula’s memories and he seriously sees the Avengers as a threat rather than an obstacle. He actually got to see his ideal world after his death. It’s not like he was told that he succeeded and that some people were trying to undue it in the future. He knows the threat because of Nebula and sends the Nebula loyal to him through time. In Infinity War, Thanos spends half the movie underestimating the Avengers until the very end. Endgame he brings the big guns and does it himself because there is no underestimations here. He’s from the past, but he is smarter because he learned from the mistakes his future self makes. Don’t underestimate thanos just because he’s from 2014.

[@M_k-zi3tn]

No no. Whether it's Thanos from years ago or the present one, he's still the same ball sack chin, Pokemon Bruce Willis guy who has taken it upon himself to play God and erase half of life. So he has just about everything to do with what happened.

[@d_fendr6222]

I also dont like how they just made him a comically evil villain.

[@jeongminkim4409]

How could you say something so controversial yet so brave?

[@Erasureeraser]

Because he wanna teach those Marvel fanboys what went wrong with Avengers Endgame and why is the movie good but not a masterpiece

[@gamingwitharis8859]

@@Erasureeraser he doesn’t teach shit. You’re clearly a dc fanboy hating on marvel for its success and it’s sad

[@birons3708]

@@gamingwitharis8859 Hulk was weak as shit in Endgame

[@gamingwitharis8859]

@@birons3708 what does that have to do with anything? And btw he was the one who snapped everyone back remember

[@birons3708]

@@gamingwitharis8859 Nobody wanted to see that. They completely ruined his character. Thor and Hulk died in endgame along with Iron Man

[@matthewnewton8812]

I went back and watched Helms Deep to refresh my memory (it’s been like 20 years) and I think it’s an impossible comparison that you’re trying to make. Helms Deep in LOTR involves only a few individual standout main characters, who direct the battle, and they engage in solo one on one fights that we are privy to throughout the scene but for the most part the armies on both sides are full of no name extras who are there to be told what to do. Also, they are behind a castle wall, which gives the enemy a single obvious goal (get through the wall and overwhelm the defenders) and the heroes a single obvious purpose (defend the civilians). Because of these two facts, the few main characters can orchestrate huge actions involving hundreds of soldiers all working towards the same goal, and in this way the battle can be constructed into one single narrative: the first approach of the enemy, the loosing of the first volleys of arrows in return, the scaling of the castle walls, the repelling of the invaders, the explosion that finally breaches the wall, the enemy’s main charge, the counterattack by Aragorn’s forces, etc. etc. etc. This is all possible because the setting is a castle, and because there are only 4 or 5 main characters who need to get heroic action moments. Contrast that with what’s going on in Avengers: there’s no obvious obstacle for either the enemy or the heroes to overcome- just a mad scramble to find and control the glove- and every single character (like frigging 30 or 40 of them) are contractually required to get their own heroic moments of action. This is obviously going to degenerate into a melee free for all, and I dont think there’s a damn thing the Russos or anyone else could have done to make it more like Helms Deep. It’s an impossible task. I think considering the limitations/challenges of this scene it actually held together extremely well (I know this isn’t what you meant, but the visual continuity is actually astonishing; all of these incredible visuals happening simultaneously and you never lose track of the action, nor your orientation within the battle space; that’s a credit to the visual effects supervisor and the editor).

[@nt9382]

I knew it! I knew something was missing in the final battle. I told my friends... They called me a madman. I thought At least one person would be with me. But reality is often disappointing.

[@whiski8357]

Tru, i felt it the moment they clashed

[@JetStrmSam]

“Congratulations you’re a prophet” “No, I’m a survivor”

[@LouisKingLouis]

The portals scene really hyped me up, until the moment everyone clashed. Went downhill from there, and when me and my friend came out of theatres, he wouldn't believe me when I said the fight was underwhelming :(

[@syriano9637]

You sound like Thanos

[@raptorkitten6264]

“They called me a madman”

[@BungieStudios]

This is why the smaller Infinity War battles were better. You understand the battlefields and where the characters are on them. You know the stakes.

[@TheRealSpheal]

I agree with everyone Lol

[@randycrawford1132]

You’re wrong

[@TheRealSpheal]

No u

[@bellaa1664]

in conclusion: lotr is a masterpiece

[@gttown8896]

YAAAAAASSSS

[@matthewsawczyn6592]

Always the conclusion

[@legrandliseurtri7495]

@Laltluangliana Sailop Gosh I hope not.

[@Rex67Diego9]

@@legrandliseurtri7495 it will always be a masterpiece

[@jeremybrown9611]

Because they did large scale battles better. They understand the importance of scaling, individuality and also the importance of UNITS

[@bladetb3934]

I think one of the problems was they had already won. Yeah they added a new problem woth new thanos wanting to wipe everything. But there was no build up to that. They solved old thanos problem and now have to clean up the new issue.

[@Shadowpunk2077]

The enemy has to look like its a threat. If its not, then the viewer will see no point in the conflict. And you can't rely on past fights either. The Army's is Endgame could probably have been removed, and the fight would have more or less been the same.

[@YonkoAgenda]

I always hate the hordes of enemies that die quickly, just feels like pointless fluff to the battle

[@mr.iiconic]

@@YonkoAgenda that's just classic comic books though

[@nick.19]

@@mr.iiconic It's better in comics tho

[@mr.iiconic]

@@nick.19 how

[@sashimi879]

@@mr.iiconic stupid

[@NoN-ji5wd]

giANT man punching the ship just felt really satisfying...

[@Jmgjgdjd5]

it's not a ship, it's a living creature

[@Da69expert1]

That was the only cool part of the movie, and I hated the movie.

[@MrHappyface]

It would have been funny if Ant-Man had grabbed a Leviathan & used it to beat another Leviathan.

[@nisseproductions7052]

Da69expert1 ah yes, punching a flying whale was the best part!

[@impulse5674]

Da69expert1 of all the other good moments in endgame you think giant man punching a leviathan was the best part?

[@jackpada7015]

To be completely fair, Helm's Deep was 40 minutes of runtime, crafted over 200+ days, written by one of the best and most famous writers of a series that can be considered the most grand of all time, not to mention a great director behind the camera, and wonderful actors playing out the scene.

[@MONSTERKILL2013]

Yes, and marvel fights are mostly done in offices by cgi artists after a few days of shooting is done. Which l hope changes

[@alcedob.5850]

Endgame was the most anticipated movie of the year and got the highest box office EVER. So this is not an excuse not to do the final battle as epic as possible

[@PubicGore]

Not to mention the VFX artists who developed new technology to simulate crowds, the construction teams, costume and set designers, camera operators, cinematographers, and literally everyone else. And I'll make special mention of the fact the the soundtrack is the most masterfully crafted soundtrack in cinema history, with well over 60, easily rememberable leitmotifs of epic proportion. Clearly, many geniuses made those films.

[@sauce8277]

While from a SKILL perspective you are right….from a money perspective you are wrong. This is the largest cinematic franchise in history and they couldn’t get a second opinion?

[@chasejordan9295]

@@sauce8277 From who? They are the second opinion. They make so much money obviously they dont give a fuck.

[@SRow_Plays_Games]

Its wired how non-violent this fight scene felt 😂

[@subodhprasain]

Captain America going back in time... to look like Joe Biden.

[@delta-a17]

They should have cast Joe Biden.

[@blank003]

Joe biden is canonicaly confirmed to be older than odin, so ur comment is kind of stupid imo.

[@Jackaldraws]

@@blank003 wtf😂

[@flamingharleyrider1215]

@@blank003 👌😂

[@ProxyDoug]

@@delta-a17 I saw a comment that said they should have casted Stan Lee for that bit.

[@kaustubhsharma3908]

Honestly, I prefer infinity war over endgame But like both

[@harshchoudhary9623]

me too

[@kuukkeli6984]

@Biswajit Roy man of culture

[@charliefarson1362]

I prefer Iron man..Captain america the first avenger. Thor : ragnarok..well..you get the point.

[@ianbailey4213]

I don't even really like Infinity War. It's trying to do so much that it loses out on that classic marvel appeal (the character interactions) and it's novelty is in the fact of just how many characters are on screen.

[@lucasb9285]

@@ianbailey4213 not really its roller coster of emtions(infinito war)

[@megacrashthehedgehog5377]

I'll admit, I enjoy the final battle for what it's worth, but the problem is, as cool as it was to see all these characters go into battle, the fight itself was still a whole lot of flash with very little substance.

[@rhetiq9989]

Still better than infinity war’s wakanda battle

[@Darkneonflame13]

Marvellizor 99 sorry to say but no

[@housevo330]

Wakanda battle was a fuck whole lot better.

[@abloshow91]

Its not lotr level but yeah

[@XDarkBrotherhoodHD]

ablo show i agree

[@marrodc]

Great video! I definitely learned a lot from it. Though I do have a small issue with your "fix" of Endgame. I feel like if the Avengers had to once again defend something from Thanos (like they defended Vision in Infinity War), the movie would've been too similar to its prequel. Maybe the twist this time around could be the Avengers attacking Thanos and his army in his lair/base so that they can get the glove off of him and snap him away.

[@poweroffriendship2.0]

*Fun Fact:* The final battle in Endgame is actually a prediction which depicts the greatest raid in Area 51.

[@crimsonhunter7598]

There should be a movie about that If it happens or if it doesn't happen

[@amanms1999]

Am I the only one who is pissed because the raid was cancelled? 😡😡😡😡

[@paulovinasrocha6166]

@Benny Fair fax they wil keep spamming it until they die

[@АртурАртуров-ф4ю]

This takes me back...

[@soysaucesquared906]

0:07 "Now, just before you hit that dislike button, let's get one thing straight." 11K people: *_no_*

[@DunkIeosteus]

54K people : *hehe*

[@ug333]

Or I watched and disagreed

[@tclturbo2456]

@@ug333 you can disagree without giving the video a dislike. The video is very well made and presents very valid points.

[@soysaucesquared906]

@@ug333 I respect you and your decide to dislike this man's video but it was a _joke_ and I understand that you might not have agreed with the creator's viewpoints.

[@soyboy6156]

@@ug333 why do you disagree? Please counter those fair points with fair points of your own

[@makotoplush9776]

I loved the Avengers: Endgame's climax however I do understand your criticism

[@aruzf9681]

Cosmo the blue peashooter same

[@phrog7193]

this comment be like: "i like your criticism, however i dont care"

[@xord1946]

It really could mean two very opposite things. "I like it, I understand why you criticize it but I don't wanna listen because I enjoy liking it and don't wanna change my mind." "I liked it, but now that you're saying that I'm able to see it in a very different angle."

[@makotoplush9776]

@@xord1946 I mean the second one

[@Jdudec367]

@@phrog7193 not exactly... care but I still would love the battle....

[@Jaws_on_Mars]

In regards to "knowing where characters are on the battlefield", they actually did it quite well in Infinity War during the battle in Wakanda! Right after Thor shows up, he immediately begins to proceed laying waste to Thanos' forces and the retreating dropships in the air. They take time to show viewers, "Hey, Thor is up here doing his God things, so he'll be preoccupied in case something detrimental happens right at this moment." And in the next few scenes, that's exactly what happens when Thanos proceeds to wreck the other available Avengers and take the Mind Stone. I'm sure everyone was watching that scene, seeing everyone get absolutely slumped by Thanos and wondering when Thor would get there, so this scene did a great job of balancing yin and yang

[@dungusglumbus9946]

My only problem with this climax is that the movie never draws attention to the fact that Peter Quill has finally returned to Earth, his home planet

[@thesmartonesback2650]

Because the movie is about the original avengers it is about how there stories rap up (thors didn't but the movie gives him a climax to his character arc wich is to instead of trying to be what you think you are meant to be instead find out who you are meant to be). When it comes to ending endgame did it really good.

[@thesmartonesback2650]

To make critics like this get to points of view.

[@Spyrofan35]

The Battle Of Helms Deep Will Never Be Topped

[@TheCloserLook]

Just because something is impossible, that doesn't mean it's not worth trying to do ;D

[@GeraltofRivia22]

I don't know, it has several problems. Like the design of the keep, the tactics used by the soldiers etc.

[@leonhartdragomir8948]

@@GeraltofRivia22 out of curiosity, what battle or war would you give that tops Helm's Deep?

[@wesleyscott1633]

Geralt of Rivia I want to know the other guys question too, and what we’re wrong about the tactics

[@GeraltofRivia22]

@@leonhartdragomir8948 I'm not saying there is one. All I'm saying is that it's possible for a better battle to be made since Helms Deep isn't perfect

[@jetastronomia8400]

Feels like the final battle of endgame is like a team forgetting the objective and just focused on kills

[@razkable]

not going to lie..if they killed a couple of people off in the final battle it would added stakes...those people would stay dead like hawkeye cough maybe nebula maybe a few others like buckey or groot so thor joining is more needed...this 25 film serial would of been perfect then with real stakes...it would of been worthy of making its money..for sure that way...but nope they ruined it

[@Mysikrysa]

And on posing for Facebook photo like retards. Taking of their helmets in the middle of battle...

[@Helldog6]

Half of the battle is the characters trying to make it through the hoard of enemies with the Gauntlet in order to complete what is actually the objective. Like... you guys don't even make sense.

[@za6604]

@@Helldog6 Not really. Most of the characters are fighting the army while a few individually try to get the gauntlet. They would have all rushed Thanos if they were focused on the objective.

[@kurodo9926]

@@za6604 and get swarmed.. I think this whole argument is shit. We all just have opinions, what you feel doesn't make something true. I love anime fights bc there are so much pure emotions a characters in them. But I'm not gonna ask everyone to do that. That's just different. What doesn't make sense to me or you, makes perfect sense for others

[@darthmaul8278]

In the Infinify War climax every Superhero in Wakanda was getting destroyed by the Chitari until Thor showed up but in Endgame the most harm caused to any hero after the portal scene was Star Lord being kicked in the balls

[@daniell1483]

Watching this in theater, I remember how unimpressed I was by this fight. Thanos' army felt like a CGI flood whose sole purpose was to prevent a direct fight with Thanos and the Avengers.

[@jeremytesticleman1607]

My guy thanos ain't even do shit in this movie, dude killed nobody, said a couple lines and dipped 😭

[@le_meme_man8983]

@@jeremytesticleman1607 Why did I not see this?! ✋😭 Endgame is SO bad!

[@oPHILOSORAPTORo]

@@jeremytesticleman1607 Sauron didn't even kill anyone, all he did was stare at everyone from the top of his tower, then disappear.

[@chrisstucker1813]

@@jeremytesticleman1607 yeah Thanos was the reason Infinity War was so memorable. In Endgame it’s not even the same Thanos, it’s a lame generic version of him who just wants to destroy the Universe because why not?!

[@chrisstucker1813]

We all wanted to see a direct fight with Thanos. But instead we got the same thing we’ve seen in the first three Avengers movies: all the heroes fight a generic lifeless CGI army. This was the culmination of like 10 years of storytelling and this was the best they could come up with…so disappointing but oh well lol.

[@twisted13jesus]

To be fair, when the red-eyed, raging Wanda came roaring in to claim her pound of purple flesh, it was pretty great. Saving Black Panther almost seemed done by accident. This was all about bloodlust, sadistic torture, and coldhearted revenge. And I was here for it. There's no one else they could have used there that would have brought the emotion to that scene the way Scarlet Witch did.

[@akapi3831]

twisted13jesus Shes one of few female heroes I like

[@xenon8117]

I don’t think she even knew he was there it feels to me like she just showed up because Thanos was there.

[@Jobother]

yeah, the entire battle is a backdrop for a few interesting character moments.

[@AaBbCcDdEeFfGgHhliJj]

You mean Scarlet Johanson? Just kidding... Had to do it, sorry 😂

[@rorschach7752]

i mean imagine the rush you would feel if you saw scarlet witch getting close while fighting while Thanos is in the back and the camera focus goes from her to Thanos. While they fight a few grunts and minor soldiers, the audience will be hoping for one of the strongest avengers to take on Thanos, and that rush of excitement will come crashing onto the viewer when she finally takes the fight to him When she randomly comes in, it’s good but could’ve been way better

[@aarav7851]

Problem with Endgame's climax is that we knew that avengers were gonna win and all of this is just fan service

[@harshchoudhary9623]

E X A C T L Y

[@CSBrothers]

What more can we expect.

[@michaelcullen7401]

Freaking BETTER than Rise of Skywalker. 😆

[@watchmewhipbruh1095]

Isn't that every climax to every movie?

[@dylanclarke3112]

Bruh they realised a Spiderman trailer before the movie was out!

[@JokeCubed]

My biggest issue with this final battle is: I don't know what the heck Thanos was trying to achieve? Is he just trying to kill the Avengers? If so, just blast them from the sky with his spaceship cannons. Is he trying to get back the Infinity Gauntlet? I feel like the fight comes too late. The good guys have done the saving. They've already altered time and brought everyone forward, so Thanos isn't trying to stop them, so what is he actually trying to accomplish, and why does he need an enormous army to achieve it?

[@Ra-Hul-K]

basically he was just pissed off that his "work" was undone.. so now he wanted to kill everyone so that no one would undo his work.. & start life from scratch again.. 😬 i guess that's what he meant by “I will shred this universe to it’s last atom”

[@agilemind6241]

@@Ra-Hul-K Except it wasn't because he was Thanos of the past who didn't do the snap.

[@Ra-Hul-K]

@@agilemind6241 but he knew that his future version achieved the snap like he always wanted to..

[@sansgamingwastaken]

He wanted to retrieve the Infinity Gauntlet so he could rebuild the galaxy, since the Avengers undoing the snap made him realize that no matter how noble he thinks his cause is, there will always be people too stubborn to not try and reverse it.

[@bluecrood2720]

don't forget that the avengers had all of the stones that he was looking for

[@PirateSometimes]

Yes, there was no tension or fear at all that they could lose

[@TheCloserLook]

Exactly, sure it makes for a good moment of fan service, it just doesn't do the main thing a climax is actually supposed to do.

[@codzab084]

Of course there wasn't, you can't expect them to lose again after infinity war

[@Alex-bn4ht]

@@codzab084 maybe, but i really wanted to see someone we all care die, to feel like this was a battle with real deadly weapons. This battle was like a video game with a 90% damage reduction cheat activated. This is not even fun, it gets boring right after the first 30 seconds of shock and awe

[@rjofusetsudzin8011]

I have no idea what everyone have with no tension here. Thanos almost twice snaped again if it was not for Captian Marvel and Iron Man. Wipe the floor with every hero who stood in his way and in the end Tony had to outsmarted him and did not beat.

[@oshapofficial]

You're right no worrying at all. 1/400 Million chance to win... And Thanos almost win again with the gauntlet.

[@aravaya]

Doctor strange barely had a fight scene, compared to that epic battle scene in infinity war.

[@rynzlir4414]

Thats because he already had his moment in infinity war

[@haikuya14]

@@rynzlir4414 but we want m o r e he’s like one of the strongest out of the characters like come on its cool to see his powers and not make a water tornado

[@fargo1234]

Doctor Strange in Infinity War: Sorcerer Supreme Doctor Strange in Endgame: *pLuMbEr*

[@SpFlash1523]

@@rynzlir4414 Even his fight with Thanos in IW wasn't as long as it should've been.

[@marvelismarvelous8987]

I honestly can't even remember doctor strange fighting at all i only remember him coming through the portal and thats it

[@Kintaku]

Wow. “You can’t do what a child does with his toys” This is so perfect! When I was explaining to my friends why that big fight was so in-epic to me (as I explained liking Infinity War better), my reasoning was that it felt like the final battles I would do “while playing with my toys as a kid.” *Very* apt description