The Episode That Got Moral Orel Cancelled

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[@maylabrown4584]

Uh, how is Clay a "Basic Trad-Father?" Did you even watch the show? He is anything but Traditional, he literally has a male love interest who he's cheated on with on and off again for years on end. Next time choose your words better brainlet.

[@milliman4]

Nah, I'm happy with my Sony earbuds

[@solidkratos963]

Gotta Respect the Hustle ✌🏻

[@PloKoonTheOne]

Fine with my JBLs but make that bag

[@prudencegutierrez3804]

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[@bambonios4516]

Ah, the tried and true tradition of being traumatized by claymation

[@fullmetaljoker666]

I have no idea why but when I was really little Wallace from wallace and gromit use to terrify me. My dad had a toy of him that he would put in the hallway to prevent me from crawling down it. I guess it was cheaper than getting one of those baby gates lol.

[@mjg-98]

my mom used to do that to me but with furbys lol Edit: also my childhood cat was named Gromit from Wallace and Gromit :,) miss my boy

[@fullmetaljoker666]

@sv_cheats dude I'm a USMC combat vet and ferbies still give me the creeps. Fuck those weird robotic things

[@KingOfGaymes]

Seriously why is claymation and stop motion so good at being disturbing xD

[@natestradamus]

The giant snow creature (abominable snowman?) from Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer scared the absolute shit out of me as a kid.

[@karnagekarnival5127]

Sexual Assault was fine on Adult Swim as long as it was "funny" but the moment it was grounded it was "uncomfortable". It's not fair.

[@Peri_pr]

They thought it was funny as long as the victims weren't presented as the real persons they actually are, who are enduring lifelong suffering as the aftermath of the assault. Really disgusting mindset from adult swim.

[@bok9596]

Yeah like.. im only a small way into the video, but that piping thing was totally and wholly unnecessary? It felt like it was just some sort of f*tish projection thing.

[@Sentanette]

true

[@blackkakari]

I think it's because Adult Swim is supposed to be explicitly about comedy and the show became too serious. It would be a similar problem if, say, episodes of Law and Order: Special Victims Unit started having whacky hijinks.

[@karnagekarnival5127]

@blackkakari They never made any efforts to censor Family Guy when it tried to be serious, they even allowed that God awful domestic violence episode. Plus, they had the Toonami block and the Boondocks which were not comedy specific and/or also had a mix of serious moments and comedy like Morel Orel. Morel Orel itself had had other serious episodes that ended in a somber note and the one that got them canceled was THIS one. You have to admit that if "We only do comedy" was their concern, there were opportunities before this episode to bring that up and there have been shows since that would merit that criticism yet haven't faced cancellation due to it.

[@cjfelldownagain]

The fact that they were ok with showing a child SA woman but drew the line at showing womens trauma is really telling

[@magsd5234]

This^^^

[@vault1021]

Cringe

[@ocean650]

@@vault1021 ??

[@codyhanson1344]

yeah, at first i thought that was the episode that got it banned when he was describing it

[@gamedrop3262]

what are you talking about . .they were obviously not ok with it.

[@spykkielee7627]

Kind of horrifying that the people at adult swim thought Orel assaulting and impregnating women against their will was "funny" but the aftermaths was a base for cancellation.

[@beloved-child]

I never watched this show when this popped up in my algorithm.. ..this sounds INSANE from an oblivious just walking in outsider perspective....

[@ahmedaliyu1495]

How is it funny i hate this

[@Godloveszaza]

Did they ever even come out and say that episode was "funny"

[@JohnWall-lj1mx]

Because it was treated as an over the top joke so it was easier for people to dissociate the actual act itself but the second things got serious it made people uncomfortable and “hit to close to home” shows like family guy and South Park have been doing these jokes for literal decades and are still running today because they always treat it as a joke and never actually show the reality of the devastating fallout of such things

[@alexbeuerman7608]

Because we can only think of adult animation as something that makes us laugh with edgy humor. The moment you deviate from that? Gone.

[@pinrhyme6703]

The reason for Morel Orel being cancelled is hypocritical, they happily made jokes about women being forced into pregnancy and r*ped but the second they actually show the consequences and how badly it affects people its no longer acceptable

[@whatno2712]

whats the difference between forced into pregnancy and rape?

[@slutlmao9254]

​@@whatno2712 forced pregnancy can be a: rape resulting in pregnancy; consensual sex but one of the people intentionally sabotages the method of protection; or an accidental pregnancy that the pregnant one is unable to get termination for. In all of these scenarios, the impregnated one is unable to receive am abortion.

[@nathaliem3423]

​@@whatno2712I'm not sure but I think it might have to do with the fact that not every r*pe will result in a pregnancy. And even a person who willing had sex may not want to be pregnant but forced to by others.

[@whatno2712]

@@nathaliem3423 a person willing to have sex though have many options for contraceptives i mean no offense to the sensitive subject but youd have be a little dumb to get pregnant in willing sex

[@Bala_Niranna]

nah nah see they were killing the vibes. showing the consequences of SA is kind of a downer yknow? really brings the mood down

[@Imtrashbutimfree]

The irony of Adult swim canceling a show for being too adult. Like what did they want?

[@user-pi3hd2bt3f]

They want edgy and crap humor Abusing your kids and swearing every other word, thats adult 'Funny' adult Showing actual issues adults deal with due to broken childhoods and how it affects them is not funny It makes you stop and realise your actions have consequences. Which they didn't like

[@sketchyxp6281]

They want adult content with sex jokes, toilet humor and curse words :/

[@porscheprairie3232]

Probably not a show about r*pe.. just guessing

[@kdfan35]

WE WANT ANIMATED CHARACTERS THAT LOOK LIKE COPY AND PASTES OF FAMILY GUY SAYING THE WORD "FUCK" "POOP" AND "SEX"‼

[@BT-jm3ww]

Right!

[@Jah_LEASE_yah]

They didn't cancel the show because it was "too dark" they canceled it because the darkness was centered on female trauma. The scene with the newspaper articles that didn't want to acknowledge rape was a commentary on exactly what Cartoon network did.

[@iamtheonlysam]

This.

[@bensheard3969]

What did cartoon network do? Also I completely agree that it was basically because some executive maybe had done this or trivialized someone in their family who did this so they felt personally attacked. There are much much worse shows on adult swim as far as darkness.

[@marthademovimaus5140]

How many different ways can you say " people sickos, religion stupid"? It gets old after awhile. The show's a dismal ripoff of Davey and Goliath that has no "higher meaning" other than what you project onto it.

[@marthademovimaus5140]

​@@bensheard3969Robot Chicken had the guy from Entertainment Tonight repeatedly r the Snuggle fabric softener bear then tell it to "clean itself up". CN were all about "pushing the envelope" and who cares what the " old church ladies" say.

[@one-onessadhalf3393]

@marthademovimaus5140 They also allowed Moral Orel to get away with a plethora of r-pe jokes. It was only a problem once the show explored the very real consequences of r-pe

[@Saycille]

The nurse saying the prayers that she is thankful to have a family that sees her as a real person… and then that family is just something she’s imagining to cope breaks my heart holy shit. Especially the sadness in her voice and face, she knows it

[@extropiantranshuman]

reminds me of roboticists - that replace life forms with inanimate objects to show how things should be done. It is creepy to say the least.

[@Lreclusa]

​@@extropiantranshuman you just hurt my brain. Robotics engineers don't build mechanical versions of life to replace or "show how it's done". They typically do it to imitate life, as billions of years of evolution have found very efficient methods of dealing with certain problems. Scientists take these methods, replicate them, and then figure out what parts are necessary for the function and which ones are superfluous/perform a different function. They then take these principles and apply them to new technology to make it better. Boston dynamics isn't designing robot dogs to be creepy, it's to study and figure out how. Also, I'm sorry you find some people's coping mechanisms for trauma creepy. They should apologize for the fact that they try to make the confusion and pain go away in a way that makes you slightly uncomfortable. How dare they.

[@extropiantranshuman]

@@Lreclusa I wasn't talking robotics engineers - I said roboticists. That's why you got confused. What you described is a robotic engineer's job. Also you ridiculing my own traumas of creepiness at the sake of others - is just adding insult to injury. At least get it right in your own brain before spewing the contents into mine.

[@Kspice9000]

No what your describing are robosexuals.

[@enbeast8350]

​@@extropiantranshuman What if a roboticist is doing that stuff to cope with trauma? Humans kind of suck, so I wouldn't blame anyone to want to surround themselves with artificial life that they know won't judge them

[@ArtistSince05]

The fact that Orel himself is voiced by the same actress who also plays Sandy from Spongebob makes this ten times more uncomfortable to watch the more you revisit. (Edit, pardon my belated response, wow, thanks for all the likes! I was not expecting to blow up considering I’m a voice actor enthusiast.)

[@surge0613]

no way, shut up, wait realhy???

[@chrisp.lettuce8900]

Oh god i can hear it now

[@jhingerbreadlol]

Why would you do this to me

[@4everinthe4d]

And Reverend Putty is the same guy who plays Rigby from Regular Show

[@777cartcrash2]

Wait how does that make it uncomfortable?

[@MercuryKurogane]

Moral Orel was such an amazing show, it had a lot of shock humor and all that in the first season but it really turned itself around and became an adult animated show that really shows what adult animation can and should be. I'm glad that we go what we got with the show, but I always wish it wasn't cancelled and got the love from the network that it deserved.

[@MayvaAva]

Forever mourning emo Orel (and all the other arcs we lost)

[@TheCommanderTaco]

That was back when Adult Swim was actually backing good projects. Last time I tuned into Adult Swim other then the traditional anime stuff I just questioned why anyone would watch the stuff. Though I know Arin from GameGrumps apparently loves Squidbillies so maybe I am just missing something in the humor myself lol.

[@MayvaAva]

@@TheCommanderTaco idk they backed Opal a bit ago and I’ve heard good things about Smiling Friends(though jt may not get as dark/serious/dramatic as Moral Orel did), so I think they’re doin alright

[@Pearl6669]

I'm almost happy it was just so, we can all come to an end to it all in our terms on our own way

[@taylorhope4651]

​@@TheCommanderTaco I know it's not everyone's cup of tea but I love Smiling Friends, it's so funny and good spirited. It's not deep or anything but it's just a fun show

[@larkandmallow]

as someone who is a SA victim, this show captured a lot of it perfectly, and the fact that it was censored is heartbreaking to me.

[@Soitisisit]

Would you be willing to discuss that briefly with an internet stranger? Cos a lot of the way the show presented it seemed hyperbolic and almost- well, grossly offensive to people's actual experiences. So, as someone who hasn't gone through that I want to know what aspects are true to life and which are exaggerated for comedic/shock value. If you don't want to talk about that, I understand.

[@cheshirecynic3061]

@@Soitisisit Having been subjected to non-consensual acts by multiple people, I can say that, sadly, the depictions of Nurse Bendy and Miss Sculptham are very realistic. They only come off as exaggerated because so much was packed into such short scenes due to the time constraints of a show block on TV. I've experienced everything displayed by those two characters in this episode, just on a longer time scale, not laid bare all at once.

[@larkandmallow]

@@Soitisisit no,, and i think if it hasn't happened to you , you wouldn't need to be offended by its presentation on behalf of those who have and relate to it.

[@wisemysticaltree2676]

"sa victim" more like weak pathetic person who couldnt defend themselves

[@bensheard3969]

​@@larkandmallowgrossly offensive 😂. They are clearly very offended over something that has never happened to them

[@troin3925]

I hate the double standards that the industry has with adult animation. You can be as edgy, offensive, gross and disrespectful as you want if it's for laughs, but if it's to show the realistic consequences of touchy subject matter in a respectful and serious way, NOPE CAN'T DO THAT IT'S TOO MUCH TO HANDLE! Have these people got the definition of "adult" backwards or something? Thank god shows like Bojack Horseman came out when they did and not on television.

[@Collectingmythoughts]

The thing that confuses me about Adult Swim is that you would think that a block that's supposed to be made for adults is supposed to show stuff that's very complex and edgy for its adult audience but they turn around and canceled oral moral because of one episode they didn't like they are absolute hypocrites

[@Chic_Ken]

​​​@@Collectingmythoughts, adult swim is to relax late at night with some laughs. If I want too be disturbed after working all day, I'll watch something else

[@lethallightning2]

@@Chic_Ken so yes its perfectly acceptable to go home and laugh about r@pe and SA as long as its funny

[@josephang9927]

Well, that is why they are degeneratet. They push for evil but want to hide or downplay the consequences. The show stopped being that degenerate by showing ugly truth, so then it became a problem.

[@grandempressvicky6387]

​@@Chic_Ken this doesn't make sense when even Family Guy had serious episodes with no consequences there.

[@V-Star780]

The nurse is going through something call age regression, my friend does it. It’s when someone has gone through some kind of traumatic experience in the past, causing the person to go back into a more child like state to cope.

[@hellopeople6138]

Age regressor here! It’s honestly a pretty great coping mechanism for me personally. Finding comfort in the things I liked as a child, before the trauma came, is a super important way for me to come to peace with what was done to me as a child

[@mightymeatymech]

@@hellopeople6138 i have actually been curious about trying it but am afraid haha, maybe at some point.. i'm glad it's working for you tho

[@hellopeople6138]

@@mightymeatymech It can seem scary, but its mostly about letting yourself do what makes you feel safe, without any shame and judgment.

[@HazbinCovenWitch]

Oh shit, I think my sister does this. She's autistic.

[@hellopeople6138]

@@HazbinCovenWitch I'm also autistic! Autism can some times make the world seem way to overwhelming and going back to time when things were less complicated is a way to relieve stress. I would caution you though, to not think all autistic people do this. Many different people use this coping mechanism

[@mixtapefilms9849]

The reason why the whole masterbastion thing was given the go-ahead is because it was all comedic, but once the show actually started to take that kinda stuff seriously adult swim didn't wanna deal with it

[@pepsigirl808]

totally agree! it's fucked up but kinda tracks with when it was released

[@spiritbx1337]

We can't go around showing people that actions have consequences, that would be bad.

[@idiot83749]

the thing is, even though it was very serious. it still touched very serious matters and that's good they didn't joke about it when they started turning the seasons into something more darker. the creators of moral orel did something adult swim couldn't do which is actually put something meaningful behind their content, all adult swim does is just do haha funny dark joke on repeat. it gets boring when that media is just constantly tossed around, you'd honestly expect adult swim to let that pass but no because representation of what women go through especially victims of sa/rape is not allowed!! it's never allowed...

[@discipleofdagon8195]

@@spiritbx1337 It's true that yeah, consquences exist but on a section of TV known for laughs and good times, watching claymation about the mindwarping experience of rape (which you can't skip, its TV, not Netflix) is kind of a turn-off to the average adult-swim viewer. Tbh AS should've just had a meeting with the showrunners about it rather than just outright cancelling them

[@dickkickem4238]

I kind of get where AS was coming from. The show was supposed to be a black comedy, not a drama. Alone was the first and only episode they did before they got cancelled that literally had 0 jokes in it. That's a pretty serious violation of exceptions and a dramatic shift in, idk, genres? Alone was like getting a chicken sandwich when you asked for ice cream. Still good, but no where near what you ordered.

[@haillucipurr]

This show is a rare gem. It's satirical, depressing and hilarious at the same time. To me, Clay's nature rant is one of the darkest scenes in animation history.

[@98953812]

Seriously, I wanted to punch his lights out.

[@computerblue84]

@@Sc-dd6hb Davey and Goliath

[@FillYouWithMe]

Although I'm a guy who was SA'd as a kid, I can identify perfectly with the 2nd story. No one really cared, and my mom kind of just brushed it off like it wasn't a big deal. After it happened, especially once I hit puberty, I was obsessed with being "good enough" for women to like me like that one did. I became so focused on being what I thought was "desirable" that it really started to affect my life as a teen / young adult. It took nearly half of my life to move away from this obsession with being wanted, and accept that my life is more than just meeting others' needs.

[@tysheriadorsey9934]

I relate so much to your second paragraph (except me being a woman) I truly hope you've conquered now. I'm so sorry that no one expressed care with what had happened to you 🥺 I hope you're healed and doing well.

[@cherylglaser6209]

I can relate to the feelings you had. I had a similar situation as a child, and struggled with those same emotions. I’m 51 and still learning to love myself.

[@mysticalkeyblade759]

I was SA’ed and groomed as a teen and it made me terrified and anxious during any nsfw intimacy. I’m still going to therapy to help me deal with it

[@bensheard3969]

It's really interesting how human nature can devolve on itself when dealing with extreme trauma or things we can't process. Instead of hating all women your brain flipped into needing approval because you were convinced that woman didn't like you and abandoned you

[@NickielSTUFFF]

Thankyou so much that you kept going even for those struggling times, congratulations man! I'm really proud of you for getting out of it!

[@morgiana111]

Honestly the real twist of the knife is that it’s a female trauma/coping centered episode that was “too much” and that’s just so grotesque to me. That women can be the butt of jokes through so many other episodes but as soon as it’s all to real and raw and something that soooo many women go through and deal with- that’s the nail in the coffin? Honestly just sad.

[@edmarcthegreat]

>allow god's chef, an episode of orel literally raping women while they're sleeping >oh nononono, you can't show the women having to deal with the trauma from rape/forced pregnancy! that's just too serious. off to the cancelled show room you go!

[@BT-jm3ww]

Right!

[@Elcomedordepan]

yes, mail in the coffin.

[@morgiana111]

@@bloodaonadeline8346 just to clarify, I’m speaking on sexual abuse and crimes as a whole

[@edmarcthegreat]

@@bloodaonadeline8346 that would be true if it wasn't for external pressure, abortion is often very marginalized even in situations like this, so the rape survivor would need to carry the baby to not be treated like a monster for killing the fetus (who doesn't even know it's alive)

[@Kris-lj7lq]

I agree. It’s hard, but it’s true. People need to understand how rape and sexual abuse haunts women to their very core. It ruins peoples lives.

[@kallamarsspouse]

Haunts people in general, regardless of sex or gender.

[@mochabearry]

Don’t worry, logical people know you also meant ‘and men’ as well and we won’t go on a rant about it.

[@kallamarsspouse]

@@mochabearry Nobody was ranting :/

[@unofficialbeautyqueen6624]

@@kallamarsspouseo duh, but we can focus on one without disregarding the other. You people are ridiculous sometimes.

[@kallamarsspouse]

@@unofficialbeautyqueen6624 Who is "you people". When it comes to SA, one shouldn't be talked about while the other is ignored. People are assaulted regardless of gender and sex and that should be talked about more. I'm a SA survivor but not a woman (I'm biologically female). It's commonly thought that only women and/or AFABs get assaulted, that's why we should mention everybody. This isn't a "men too!!" situation.

[@moriahschoech9894]

I actually think this episode might have saved my life. I was a teenager dealing with recently being SA and all I saw around me were jokes at my and other victims expense or victim blaming... And then I saw these characters actually showing the signs of trauma that I was experiencing and I finally felt seen.

[@jeweltorkelson]

It's huge to see that you're not alone, but also terrifying if it's not done right. Like being a kid and having this scary thing happen to you, but then you get older and find out it's just a joke people talk about happening to people. I really wish there was more awareness that its like. A bad thing? Not a funny human quirk.

[@arathsg9824]

I hope you’re doing better now! I’m sorry you had to go through something so fucked up

[@TheOnlyBlackInMeWasWillieBrown]

Yet sexual assualt and emotional truamthst men go through is completely ignored and laughed at.

[@jeweltorkelson]

@@TheOnlyBlackInMeWasWillieBrown why dont you do something to spread awareness? I hate how men are always blowing up any conversation about women and rape with being like "WHAT ABOUT MEN" wanna know how to fix it? Talk about men struggling with sexual trauma on your own time, not ONLY when women are talking about theirs. Like, this is literally a video about women not being able to talk about it and you're like "men tho, right? Men? Nobody cares about men? Men get laughed at?" Again, on a video, about how a show can joke about rape all day long but not talk about it making somebody sad.

[@heartstorngrose958]

​@@TheOnlyBlackInMeWasWillieBrown I mean okay? Why is that a "but"? Men need to change their attitudes towards SA if you want things to be different. The issue is most men believe rape isn't about power but some sort of uncontrollable attraction.

[@kittiekorpse]

omg seeing age regression shown as something that isn’t weird and gross is so relieving to see.

[@rawfermews4186]

I know I thought the same and I was so happy when she found her son.

[@DespiteEverything42]

It's because a lot of people don't understand that childhood regression therapy is a LEGITIMATE PSYCHOLOGY THERAPY TOOL and that Daddy Dom relationships are KINKS and ACTIVELY SEXUALIZES CHILDREN ACTING ADULTS and unfortunately it's a lot more mainstream or part of the zitgist than the actual therapy tool because ooou sexy women in diapers and baby clothes turns on 'daddy' (anyone who calls themselves that should be shit)

[@morpheusgreene2704]

it is though

[@daemonsilver3304]

It's mental illness. It's usually caused by trauma, and trauma is always tragic. But that hardly excuses attempts to normalize regression in any form.

[@Sdir]

yess!!!

[@Chuckdiesel86]

I think a big part of the meaning of the show is that Orel is constantly confused because he's always told one thing while he sees everyone else doing another thing, and in his innocent mind he tries to rectify the disparity. Orel is a really sweet and good kid who is surrounded by horrible people and trying to find his moral way.

[@zackeryhardy9504]

This is something I see a lot of people miss who have only seen an episode or two. The thing you notice is that the tone of the show all revolves around the perspective as to who is being followed. Since oral is an innocent young kid the show is up beat. The christmas special shows this very well. You will notice the scenes with oral are up beat with the wimiscal music playing, but the argument between the parents about shapy was completely silent and played completely straight. And after that horrible christams things are not the same as they were that first season, but Oral still mostly has his innocence so the tone stays up beat, but the show is a bit more serious. The hunting trip was played completely serious and after that the show no longer has the wimsical atmosphere. It is all played straight and you now see the world as it is. The entire time you were seeing the events through the eyes of a child and once that innocence was broken you saw the world differently through the eyes of a no longer nieve child who now knows his dad is a neglectful and hypocirtical alcoholic. Nurse bendy isn't just a throw away character but a real person with problems thoughts and feelings. Its a shame the show was cancled right when it was hitting its peak. I mean i would have love to see the plot lines of Ms. Censerall taking over the entire town. Christian Goth oral living with his dying grandfather and other episodes and plotlines planned.

[@vanessaashford9203]

Orel reminds me a lot of one of my friends when they were a kid (at least how they describe themself). They were raised Mormon, and actually got really into it as a kid, obsessing over religion and being moral and basically wanting to be as good as possible, but in like a very genuine way, not just to show off. Sadly, also much like Orel, they suffered a lot of abuse and trauma from growing up in that culture with those kind of expectations. Today they are no longer religious, although they still struggle a lot with feeling like they're not "doing enough" or aren't contributing to the world positively (I think it's also just generally hard to be a genuinely empathetic person in the world today, like I'll admit I think that I can only deal with a cruel and horrible place the world can be distancing myself from it and focusing on my own life, I could personally never handle letting myself be weighted down with suffering that I can't reasonably do anything to alleviate, but they can't do that).

[@vanessaashford9203]

tbh, I also like how in the end of the last episode, where Orel is shown grown up with a family of his own, and we're told that he basically overcame all the trauma of his youth against all odds and broke a cycle of generational abuse, there's actually a cross on the wall in the background of his house. The show could very easily be seen as just a criticism of religion in general, and have portrayed Orel's well-adjusted future self as irreligious, or at the very least no longer Christian, but they didn't, they actually imply that he and his family are still in some manner Christians, just presumably believers in a far less warped and malignant version of it than what he grew up in. I'm not Christian myself, nor really religious in the conventional sense, but I do think that kind of nuanced is admirable, and especially at the time Moral Orel was airing (when being like a really hardline, uncompromising, anti-religious atheist was kind of the "in" thing among a lot of younger people), I think it was really ahead of its time. Also pretty cool that they made it clear, even after all the trauma they depict in the final season, that it's still possible for someone to endure terrible trauma during their formative years, and *still* overcome it and live a happy life anyway.

[@Shadow08707]

⁠@@vanessaashford9203 Watching Moral Orel the character Orel really reminded me of my younger self. I grew up Christian and I was pretty gullible at times or saw the world similarly to how Orel does and was also pretty sheltered as a kid. And like Orel I experienced similar trauma from the religion and my dad. My dad is a little better now but it’s hard to forget the trauma he put me through. When it showed Orel’s dad spanking him with a belt I couldn’t continue watching that scene at all because of how triggering it was for me. It’s hard to heal from the trauma but thankfully I’m finally getting therapy which is good.

[@jasmineshelton759]

​@vanessaashford9203 this was my favorite takeaway from the story.

[@Tallie602]

For the second episode, I think the OCD for locking and unlocking the door, tying in the fact that she herself didn’t want to keep it locked but she also did want it, like a fight within her mind.

[@ellio_reads]

thats a really good point, i didn't notice that before

[@theotherjared9824]

Adult Swim specifically told the team to be more disturbing, but they meant like farts and vomit, not realistic depictions of mental disorders and abusive relationships.

[@Chic_Ken]

THIS!! For me, adult swim is for relaxing late at night and laughing at really immature stuff, not for revisiting tramau. It's a good show, just not for adult swim. People getting mad about this is something else

[@cheyennerey]

I agree with this. Great art I’m not tryna watch that vulnerable at night when I’m tryna wind down

[@Helpmefindthewilltolive]

What about family guys domestic abuse episode. That was allowed.

[@lethallightning2]

@@Chic_Ken it's incredibly hypocritical what you're saying. they can make as maaaaaany jokes about r@pe and SA as long as its funny and not at all dealing with it like it should be dealt with, which is a touchy topic? grow up and watch real shows.

[@Helpmefindthewilltolive]

@@lethallightning2ikr, it's okay if it's not taken seriously - because if it does it "messes up their vibe" like c'mon

[@clowneggion]

I love this representation of ocd. Whenever it’s not the stereotypical “haha clean freak so silly” thing it usually shows all compulsions with some hugely horrifying facial reactions and making it almost seem comical, but irl we are almost always completely deadpan like her at first until something specific triggers us like with the lock. Also the actual intrusive thought representation is so real. I’m obsessed with it (lol)

[@die_please]

I also love accurate representations of ocd. Being a clean freak is in almost no way a part of mine, and seeing it depicted in other ways is nice

[@Lotselance]

Moral Orel was way ahead of its time on this. I'm 25 and I've only in the past year learned about age regression as a coping mechanism, and OCD giving people messed up intrusive thoughts like fantasizing about being SA'd. Both are shown in this show pretty well and it aired in 2008.

[@ApoleiPapolei]

Same here. Especially the "naughty thoughts" that the woman didn't want but wanted at the same time. And the lock, not wanting to do it but also having to at the same time, and idk it just felt really relatable and it's the only accurate depiction of ocd in media I have ever seen that actually takes it seriously or showcases it correctly.

[@katydead]

as soon as we take violence against women seriously, the big wigs get uncomfy and cancel your awesome show

[@bigmanliam]

I rlly doubt it was because of women. It was prolly more because of how depressing it was

[@Numbabu]

@@bigmanliam Yeah, depressing, like taking violence against women seriously. A realistic depiction of a situation many women actually have to face is depressing. The two things you said are not mutually exclusive.

[@bigmanliam]

@@Numbabu op made it sound like it was just cuz women and not cuz it was depressing

[@guesswhat-chickenbutt]

Yeah, but only when the violence is being inflicted by a man in traditional men's clothing. Nope, put that man in a dress, and he's allowed to beat the shit outta anyone. No consequences.

[@SunBane67]

Or maybe adult swim is a comedy network... so they don't want a serious show killing the vibes of their audience and changing the channel.

[@SpellboundWolf]

How do you know when a species is made up of monsters? When an episode about raping women in their sleep is allowed & laughed at while an episode showing how rape is traumatizing gets banned. There are no words available I could use to describe my disgust & hatred for Adult Swim.

[@cgi_angel6001]

THIS 👏

[@SpellboundWolf]

@@cgi_angel6001 Thank you.

[@Darling_Decay]

This is perfect!!

[@captainflappyarms8277]

This is absolute facts

[@bensheard3969]

Adult swim is great it's cartoon network that is full of infantile executives that like Petaling shows and narratives to kids but can't handle adult conpecta

[@ericb9252]

Adult Swim: "You can show a kid inject women with semen while they sleep, but talk about SA and forced sterilization? Oh that's going to far!"

[@biggestastiest]

unrelated but i like your pfp :)

[@Just_niaxx]

Love your pfp

[@wungomungo6177]

Hope you sterilize yourself! Just in case you go crazier and decide to rape someone!

[@handmethatpochitussy]

whats with the pfp?

[@blackmanta3243]

I hate your pfp groomer

[@n00d1e-42]

Seeing representation that is honest and raw is the best as a survivor. I hate that depicting how horrible PTSD and trauma are through artistic means is seen as offensive. It's our lives!

[@die_please]

I hope you’re okay now:)

[@n00d1e-42]

@@die_please I definitely am to some extent! My abuser is now a lifelong member of the sex offender registry, and I have done lots of healing and grown quite a bit. The nightmares will likely never go away, but i’m able to live, yknow? Thanks (:

[@lenaboyer6981]

Based on the trigger warnings and the fact that this episode got the show canceled, I was expecting it to be like Saw levels of horror. But no, it’s just a realistic depiction of some of the worst effects of SA which many survivors have to live with every day. It’s so insulting that this subject was deemed offensive enough to cancel the show when Orel *impregnating a town full of women* being played for laughs is just edgy humor apparently.

[@absolutelynot6546]

I agree with this to a point; Once the act of SA is shown, I'm done. I don't need to see what happens to understand the effects, and I sure as hell don't want to remember my own trauma, especially if I'm not ready for it. I appreciate trigger warnings for this reason, but I'm calling out streaming platforms for putting "sexual situations" or "violent acts" instead of a straight up "sexual assault" and then showing a graphic, usually loud and VERY triggering scene. Hate that shit and it fucks with the progress I've made to heal and move on. I'm glad to see you are doing better, I hope the nightmares end

[@singasong785]

Yep it’s borderline revolting that they labeled people’s reality, their everyday life as offensive/over the line.

[@brittanylikesmemes_]

i’ve never seen this show, but it does not surprise me that the episode that got it canceled was one that depicted trauma in the ways it did. I hate that the only way society as a whole seems to accept people working through their trauma is if they do it in a ‘quiet’ and ‘attractive’ way. people dealing with trauma, in reality, can do strange, ugly, and even immoral things. but if it’s deemed as ‘too much’, it can’t be empathized with or worked through, only ostracized and shamed. I hope that one day we can grow past that mindset. thanks for sharing this, I would have never known this existed otherwise .

[@user-pi3hd2bt3f]

I personally don't get what the big deal was anyway She's a grown woman playing with dolls so what Shes doing it inside her own home She wasn't bothering anybody. Yes she broke down from something 'silly' but it just goes to show how affected and overwhelmed she is by her trauma

[@weaklystep]

@@user-pi3hd2bt3f I fully agree

[@Calihon88]

Yep. A good portion of society expects the victims to “be the bigger person” and to “forgive” the person who abused them all the time. Why??

[@missfortunata]

Word

[@user-pi3hd2bt3f]

@@Calihon88 because it's easier to say that to the victim than to try to correct the abuser's behaviour or even try to hold them accountable since they probably don't think what they did was wrong

[@max-mo2cp]

I've never seen a OCD representation in the case of sexual trauma and how horrible the intrusive thoughts and trauma responses are done so well and so realistic. It is horrible but it honestly makes me feel seen and understood

[@omnipotentmage]

This show was dark and gritty and I just realized we will never have a show like this ever again

[@TheCommanderTaco]

Sadly that is true with how politically correct everything has to be now in days with networks tiptoeing around issues that could be deemed sensitive when in reality they are far from lol.

[@KingOfGaymes]

@@TheCommanderTaco I feel like it would more so be the raging conservatives getting mad at a show for daring to call out their religion or bring attention to serious issues like abortion and would complain endlessly to force the show to be cancelled lol

[@matthayes8631]

Didn't Bojack Horseman happen?

[@reet7060]

@@matthayes8631 it was dark and I loved it, but it wasn’t nearly this straight forward. Definitely a close second

[@yaemiko9280]

Tuca and bertie

[@caid3948]

I never noticed how Creepler looked like Ms Sculptham's grandfather, but now that you have pointed it out, it makes the whole segment all the more harrowing than it was in the first place.

[@chrisknoblock]

Kinda wild how they addressed that and the fantasy for victims to recreate being victimized. Like that's one of those incredibly uncomfortable things that a victim might have "enjoyed" the attack. I think that more than anything, scared adult swim.

[@VeWatchesVideos]

The thing is, the show was going to dive even deeper into this. They had already written an episode called "R*ped", which was going to go even further into Miss Sculptham's trauma and also give her somewhat of a happy ending (where she would find a loving partner and gets to heal a little), but especially after this episode, Adult Swim put their foot down, sadly. You can still find the transcript of that episode on the Moral Orel wiki.

[@tuxtitan780]

That episode was also going to talk about how it was harder to marry someone of the same sex than a rapist who was sitting in prison. And that was going to have been an episode created in 2008.

[@Kevinsmoonlight]

As a 2 time rape survivor (2 people, unfortunately not two times) I knew what I was getting into, and it made me uncomfortable...but it was needed. The age regression storyline is something I've never seen in animation and I appreciate the representation. Yeah its uncomfortable, but being raped is way more uncomfortable. If this gives people just a slice of what the recovery and aftermath process is like...then I think we need more like this Edit: also huge props to the mention of trauma survivors dealing with hypersexuality and traumatic fantasies to replace and rewrite the original trauma. Actual incredible stuff

[@JLo5768]

Thank you for sharing, you are so strong and loved.

[@chanson8508]

Thanks for sharing 🫂

[@ADreamCalledeternity]

I'm so sorry that happened to you. I hope you're taking care of yourself. Thank you for sharing.

[@PastelScareBears]

god the amount this meant to me, hearing more people go through this and that I'm not just a 'creep' or a 'pervert' is amazing. There really does need to have more light put on these things because at the end of the day it just hurts victims further

[@lesigh3410]

I used to get traumatic fantasies as well, but thankfully I was able to break away from it. It was super unhealthy for me and made me feel like I deserved it, so I'm very thankful I was able to stop. Also, ironically a lot of my trauma comes less from the r*pe itself, and more from how alone in the world and misunderstood I feel I am.

[@Mitcham28]

I'm a man and related deeply with Agnes and Nurse Bendy. For a long time, I wondered why I was so averse to being touched, so deeply afraid of intimacy, and why I had started having fantasies of sexual control. Only recently did I come to the realization that I was sexually assaulted as a child by an older girl I trusted. I suppose I'd been unconsciously blocking the memory all these years. Suddenly all my behaviors of the past twenty years made sense. For weeks I didn't sleep well, I was irritable and unable to control my emotions, I was bawling my eyes out at the worst of times. Though this episode is about the women of Moralton, I find that male victims can see themselves in the characters too. It probably helped me realize what happened to me, looking back.

[@Sanitised]

I’m sorry. I hope that you are on your way to recovery. Good luck.

[@Ugh_mommy]

It’s okay to relate to a character regardless of the gender being played🫂🫂 I hope you find peace in your healing journey too…🕊️

[@SheDrawsSometimes]

I’m so sorry, I see you as a male SA victim. Despite the show being a commentary on harsh Christian culture, as a Christian I pray for you. :)

[@dawgholup]

I wanted to remind you, it was NOT your fault.

[@UwU-kl4ok]

Late reply, but I'm so sorry man. Stay safe, and we're all proud of you for being able to realize your truama and begin the road to recovery. ♡ (Sorry if this sounds stiff or rude.)

[@iamvedaa]

Man the ep with the kid who injected women with his seed while they slept was a LOT darker than the episode that got them cancelled. the episode that got cancelled, I personally thought was incredible. It’s not something you see a lot and although it’s sad and hard to watch, I find it amazing.

[@kimmy3963]

Yeah. The frantic reaction to feeling a sensation that reminds you of it (when the teddy fell on Nurse Bendys back), the hysteria when your brain interprets everything that happened in the past is happening right now, even an innocent thing like milk getting splashed… yeah. The backing into a corner to desperately try and get away, yeah. The desire to be what your abuser wants. Yeah, damn. Ending up wanting to be hurt because it feels like it’s what you deserve, especially after having truly demented fantasies. Yeah. Feeling like you’re lesser than because you can’t conceive, feeling the unspoken pressure and expectation from your family friends to start a family when you cannot, weird obsessions and fixations… yeah.

[@saladonpc1823]

I genuinely hope that youre okay.

[@11jellyfish11]

🤝 Yeah... Hope you're healing

[@daisy-wq7uu]

yeah..

[@nkbujvytcygvujno6006]

I love how you pointed out the desire to be what the abuser wants, because I think people missed that in the episode since no one analyzes media anymore. But yeah the fact that Nurse Bendy, after she reverted back to a childlike state, thanks her replacement family in the prayer for understanding she has feelings and thoughts other than happy ones... Even sad and lonely ones...kind of reveals how she was treated in her childhood, probably even before her father r-ped her. She was likely forced to act as what her father wanted-- a bright little ray of sunshine with no emotional needs. And was super neglected. And now she feels the compulsion to act happy all the time, just as her abuser wanted. Explaining why she acts that shallow in both daily life and her childlike state, and explicitly has her fantasy family understand she's more than that.

[@wrenwry]

i grew up southern baptist, this show addressed issues in the community so accurately. a physically painful watch for me.

[@MrEgg-zb2nf]

Worst part about it, its not even a condemnation on faith, it’s about a lack of faith

[@Missmiserie]

THIS

[@mistermaxie6487]

@@MrEgg-zb2nf And it's a good thing it's not a condemnation, because the religion isn't the problem. The pastor's relationship with his daughter proves it's an issue with the *people,* but people still contend about the show's symbolism for some reason.

[@genericname3206]

​@Mr. Egg condemnation on faith wtf

[@ripcactusify]

Same, it hits even harder because I'm a lesbian. Seeing Stephanie and her father have such a good relationship hurts man... I wish I could of had this response.

[@martha4276]

Never knew that my horrible, embarrassing fantasies were that strongly connected to my traumatic past… they need to put this back on the air because this is very enlightening

[@mmm-pc3xe]

Radiant silvergun

[@titlewave489]

forreal??? i thought everyone understood that their fetishes/adult fantasies are so often(but not 100% of the time) tied to experiences had as a kid. whether it's a daddy thing, a mommy thing, a shoe thing, a food thing, etc. it's like the pedophile's self-fulfilling prophecy. a kid is abused at a profoundly important age in their development thus causing them to grow up stunted(in one way or another) and sadly(when they're unable to identify & break the cycle) they enact the same awful things to a new victim.

[@martha4276]

@@titlewave489 as someone who is autistic and highly sheltered with horrible education systems that has no idea how to handle neurodivergent people, it shouldn’t be all that surprising since the education is not even subpar

[@gnarthdarkanen7464]

It's really difficult to treat the subjects around (ahem) fantasies, fetishes, and formative experiences well at the best of times. Psychology as a general science is still really new, and probably the single most complicated and fluidly dynamic science there is. Just neuro-plasticity allows the human brain to adapt to circumstances we didn't think it could heal from, even a couple decades ago, and we now KNOW that while outright "healing" in the traditional physical sense isn't feasible, the adapting IS... Stroke victims can somehow temporarily lose functions, for instance, and regain them physically, because their brain finds new routes for the information to do the same old things, even while the old routes are still destroyed from the original injury... We also know that everyone is a product of BOTH their inherent DNA from their parents and family going back some 300 generations, but also their formative experiences. It SHOULD be reasonable to then assume that any of those formative experiences have influence on our tastes, desires, ideals of pleasure and pain... everything about HOW we interpret our lives as we make our way through those very individual journeys. We just don't entirely understand HOW all that works together... For a "normal" person, you'd probably suppose that a snake or spider would be terrifying. Most of civilization and culture provides all the imagery that both those things are either evil or dangerous or probably both. Iconic names like "Black Widow" and "Black Mamba" or "Hissing Adder" and "Funnelweb" echo in most folks' heads with the same shivers as "Heinrich Himmler" or "John Wayne Gayce"... Killers... Venom... PREDATOR... and there's almost unilaterally a sense of a diabolical laugh echoing in the back of the "normal" person's mind... AND I think they're cute. That's right... CUTE... Let that sink in a moment. MY mother took in pet Black Widows, when I was little. We used to go out catching grasshoppers to feed them... watched them make webs in a terrarium... the egg sacs... AND we'd turn them loose in the park, a short-ish walk from our house when weather was nice... We chased after garter snakes and black snakes, too... AND I didn't get taught how "The only good snake was a dead one"... BUT that snakes kept rats and mice out... ALL animals were dangerous if you were threatening. I've had to confront the fact that culture and society around us, down to our parents and their conduct have a HUGE influence on what sorts of people we grow up to become. If growing up with pets like black widows can influence me to find them attractive in any way, as opposed to kittens or bunny rabbits, then it stands to reason the various traumas I've suffered would also have their own influences... Now, I'm not neurodivergent... at least, not that I'm aware of. I can't say really what "rules" in the science of psychology necessarily change from my experiences influencing my tastes and interests or desires to how YOUR experiences and traumas developed to influence YOU. I doubt anyone can really say much more than "It's probably different." I can't really defend the horrors of just how backward thinking is getting in regards to education. At the same time, if we're going to be fair to all concerned, there are delicate subjects that the general education expected for a functioning adult in society simply isn't entirely equipped to handle well. That takes a bit of focus in courses, usually starting with a Psych' Class in high school, and then higher education to build upon. There are lots of resources online, but while you can start at wikipedia or with some youtube channels, those are only good starting points, and you're almost all on your own for further finding credible sources, though wikipedia at least LISTS their sources in the bibliographic stuff at the bottoms of their pages... so that's a legitimate point to start jotting down notes, sources, and working on search terms or even heading to the nearest public or school library to see if you can find them... Hope this helps... AND there at least, should NOT be any shame in a kink or fetish... I KNOW, plenty of online mooks will "roll their eyes" and snort and growl and snark about it, BUT most kinks actually CAN be handled in a reasonably healthy way. I'll only willingly admit that I've helped handle a few... It takes a healthy and trusting, TRUST WORTHY relationship. ;o)

[@Cody-ox2uu]

yeah ok Karen.

[@amazingspiderlad]

I honestly think this show was just ahead of its time. If it came out today it probably would have been allowed to continue.

[@hayleydollx]

This show would NEVER be aired in todays landscape.. bfr

[@amazingspiderlad]

@@hayleydollx Yes it would. That's been said about so many things that it had no meaning anymore. What, do you think making fun of religious fundamentalists isn't allowed anymore?

[@blackmanta3243]

​@Amazing Spiderlad, well, we can't make fun of gays anymore so yeah

[@probablyhuman9947]

@@blackmanta3243 because making fun of oppressed minorities is bad

[@kolbayada4938]

@@blackmanta3243 yeah, that's why family guy or south park or other dogshit "adult" cartoon don't make fun of them.

[@gordonramslay9955]

Nurse Bendy saying “Not you too, you’re special, you can’t!” Is absolutely heartbreaking

[@margotpreston]

Yeah That clip made me cry.

[@mischahecter896]

Nurse Bendy's distress is right on point with the tonality of her voice, her facial expressions. You FEEL her affliction as if you were right there WITH HER. Could that "too on point" depiction of consequences of SA be too real for some ab-users... possibly exec, allegedly? Ohhhh, ab-users are uncomfortable with reality ? Those ab-users are among us and go under the radar because they are functional members of society, i.e., they look normal. Stats: 1/3 women are victims of SA (declared ones/those who speak out)🗣 2/3 women are victims of SA when including the silent ones🤐 Therefore, 1 women out of 2 is a victim of SA. What about ab-users? What is the % ? Let's assume 1/4 are ab-users (25%). Hypothesis: I'm inclined to think that one of the reasons judicial sentences are lenient (few months to 4 years), is because among the 25%, a non-negligible portion is functional (and therefore valuable) for our society to lose for long periods of time. I believe that this is one of the reasons judges cannot simply "throw away the key" because those ab-users are: 1) the construction worker who built your home 2) the neuro-surgeon who saved your cat 3) the cashier 4) the mailwoman and soo on... If ab-users are often close to and/or from the family, what's to be said about mothers who "never saw any signs"? How blind can they really be? People are not ready to ask "what did she [mother] had to gain by being willfully blind?" Are we ready to talk about castration of ab-users? Are we ready to talk about the normalized s*x-ual transgressions in families: - mothers or fathers kissing their son/daughter on the mouth - mothers on social media who act like their sons are their boyfriends (see: boy moms) SA victims will be heard the day we will have a serious conversation with ourselves and see 👁 reality for what it is: The behaviours of our parents during our childhood and the consequences of said-behaviours in the present. PS Are people ready to watch Jack Reynolds' interview? Is it so hard to understand that single moms are the perfect targets (especially those with 2-3 kids) ?

[@UndeadRed]

My...dad still kisses me on the lips. I...didnt realise it was an issue, but I do remember the reaction my brother described when he said he didnt want him to do that anymore. My brother told me my dad "said he was sad that my brother didnt want to show affection that way anymore." This is when I was abt 14-15yo, and my brother was 13-14yo. I'm 23 now and he still kisses me. I don't really know how to feel abt it coz I feel like it's wrong but I also dont know how else to show affection like hugs yeah, but idk. Anything I could say sounds like an excuse to me so maybe I need more therapy. 🤷‍♀️ sorry, I needed to tell someone, even anonymously.

[@destynova4512]

What kissing on the lips isnt a sexual thing way to pervert that jerk ​@@mischahecter896

[@daraheid9149]

As someone with OCD, that has to be one of the best depictions of it I’ve seen in awhile. And in my opinion her thoughts of the man who raped her are 100% intrusive, they’re not wanted but ocd will keep pushing them on you relentlessly. She has self loathing because she thinks that this is who she is but it’s not. The whole point of intrusive thoughts with ocd that people don’t get is that they are opposite of your nature, of who you are, of what you want. They’ll get personal, they’ll even attack your morals, feels like a whole other person is in your head, a person you hate because that person is awful. But that doesn’t mean you’ll actually do anything bad, aside from the compulsive actions and maybe hurting yourself in some way or another, mentally or physically. It’s actually been studied that people with ocd are less likely to do anything really fucked because you’re so paranoid about being anything like your intrusive thoughts. That’s something that takes help, making that distinction between you and the mental illness.

[@lolilix8131]

as true about OCD as this is, these fantasies can be incessant even for people who don't experience OCD. i don't know if I can call it an intrusive thought, since it feels so welcoming and comfortable- usually my intrusive thoughts are more violent and make me a little terrified of myself if anything else (that is absolutely not to say i would ever act on any of that). i just dont find myself questioning it at this point, and just allowing it to consume me a bit but yes, in regards to having your morals attacked and the constant "why"s is absolutely a constant. i think that just because you feel something should happen to you, or that you want it to, in no way means that you want it to happen to other people. i don't think alot of people understand that, which is why they don't understand that it isn't a "morality" issue. and of course i can't speak for people whos trauma results in thoughts of wanting to commit sa on other people, i feel like that could absolutely be a morality issue (more so if you act on it rather than if you're only imagining it all in your head. i dont believe in changing an imagination, strong desires like that are hard to ever be rid of. as long as they stay in your head, i cant take issue with it and only try to be as understanding as i can). i can only speak from the perspective of someone who experiences the exact opposite, in similar fashion to ms sculptham and i dont know a ton about the OCD experience, i know a bit, but i think unless you live it you cant ever truly know its full extent. im not attacking you or disagreeing with you by any stretch of the imagination, just trying to add on a little bit in regards to the fantasy side of traumas :>

[@davisbrothersband9990]

Thank you for this comment

[@daraheid9149]

@@lolilix8131 I gotta be honest, I don’t fully understand what you’re talking about. But it’s still an interesting point. I don’t think it has any correlation with OCD after reading over it a few times. I get trauma, but ocd/trauma are just a different thing. It’s a mental disorder. I appreciate you sharing though

[@zacharykonopa2718]

Thank you for taking the time to write this.

[@lolilix8131]

@@daraheid9149 l im sorry when im typing it comes out kind of ranty and it doesnt make sense since it isnt very coherent but 😭 im sorry

[@Catinthecosmos155]

I believe that nurse bendy is using age regression as a coping mechanism, whether it’s voluntary or involuntary I can’t really tell. As someone who regresses due to childhood sexual trauma, watching nurse bendys scene was hard. I cried when I watched it for the first time and I still get teary eyed when I watch it, the voice actor did a phenomenal job portraying the hurt and the horror of being betrayed by someone she thought loved and cared about her for more that just her body. Also the scene with the teacher, hyper sexualization is actually a thing that can happen after sexual assault, they did such an amazing job portraying the trauma and side effects that sexual assault can produce. I wouldn’t be surprised if they had help from real victims with writing this episode or did a ton of research. It’s so sad to me that they got banned for this, adult swim dose not care if you make rape and sexist and abuse jokes but as soon as you show how trauma effects a victim you are going to far.

[@sunnidae5024]

I deeply appreciate the teacher bc that's how I responded to tht trauma and for such a long time I thought tht I must be the problem and I can't claim assault or even feel bad abt it bc in some twisted weird painful way I wanted it. Tht scene makes me teary eyed asf bc it's so real and relatable and it makes me feel seen n understood. Even respected.

[@chanson8508]

​@sunnidae5024 thanks yall for sharing 🫂

[@extropiantranshuman]

I never thought adult swim really did care - so why would they now?

[@DelicateFlytrap]

The child regression also makes perfect sense due to the fact that nurse bendy is I believe canonically in her 20s; they were meant to reveal that in a cancelled episode I believe... and her son joe is 12. When I did the math it made such a difference in how I contextualized how she coped.

[@LuYunong]

The fact that this one about woman issues is what got the show cancelled really speaks loudly how we treat violence against woman. I wonder if the outcome would have been different if it focused on SA violence against men. Food for thought. Well said, this episode really hit hard and well.

[@smileyface8057]

Ngl I don’t even think that would go out, no one likes REAL sexual trauma, it’s funny to laugh at and been seen as some surface level stuff but when it gets too real,especially since Mae sexual assault isn’t seen as serious, it’s not gonna air, same with this episode, if it’s too real it’s too much I guess, too relatable

[@tmsplltrs]

Tbf SA against men would have been okay because noone takes it seriously

[@g00bers24]

​@@tmsplltrs Fr Fr. What % of r*p3s are men when you factor in men's prisons? Happens more than we want to talk about becuase the "patriarchy" means that men simply can't be victims, ever 🙄 Just like supposedly people of color cant be racist because they "don't hold enough institutional power". Absolute bullshit double standards.

[@TheOnlyBlackInMeWasWillieBrown]

​@@tmsplltrs no shit, they complain and say we need to that sa of women and their "trauma" seriously, while laughing at what happens to me.

[@clickityklat]

@@TheOnlyBlackInMeWasWillieBrown “Trauma” < Shame on you.

[@yllenistired1296]

this was one of the few times an age regressor, as a coping mechanism, wasn't treated like a joke, or fetish, and they were cancelled for bringing actual light to it, it's depressing

[@catstouf]

Alternate interpretation of the third woman- I think she wasn't going to show her boobs to get the fertilized eggs... she was going to show her vag (her virtue). She's opening up her vag ONLY so that she can get pregnant- get a fertilized egg- unlike how you would imagine, which is to open up your body for the joy of sex or at least to enjoy the act of sex in the effort to conceive. Her parents didn't sexually mutilate her (in the allegory- maybe they did for the plot), they religiously shamed her into thinking sex was dirty and wrong. That's why she is dressed like a nun. Sexual mutilation doesn't often involve removing the uterus but instead mutilating the clitorus- the organ that helps women enjoy sex. Likewise, women who are told how disgusting and sinful sex is for their whole lives often end up with conditions like vaginismus. Sort of like mental sexual mutilation as opposed to physical. Women with this condition can want children, or even to have sex with their partner, but they can't actually enjoy sex part (fully, at least). And then after a lifetime of being taught abstinence, in adulthood the story is flipped for many communities. You are supposed to get married and make tons of babies or else something is wrong with you. You're lesser as a woman if you're not reproducing and satiating your husband. The person who has been sexually repressed their whole life is confused as to why the script has been flipped- Surely bringing life into the world is good but how can sex be holy now? How do they recondition their brain to not think it's disgusting?

[@alison6182]

Underrated comment-I think you explained her story perfectly.

[@kamuita922]

Comment needs more likes, super solid explanation/interpretation :))

[@anthonynorman7545]

+

[@TealDaubs]

She explicitly states her mother had her eggs removed in the episode.

[@gnarthdarkanen7464]

Not a terrible thought... BUT I think the writers even worried that using the term "clitoris" on broadcast TV was probably too risky for the show. They substituted removing her eggs to elude to mutilation... to lessen quite the gut-punch, without eliminating the contextual value. BUT it's just my best understanding of it. ;o)

[@elizalol222]

the first scene i saw from that episode was the teddy scene and it immediately made me cry. there’s something so relatable about a girl dealing with people objectifying her, thinking someone isn’t like that, and finding out they are.

[@Noctem0wl]

But people objectify everyone despite their gender. I mean, Pedro Pascal is a perfect example. Poor man...

[@elizalol222]

@@Noctem0wl exactly. i feel awful anyone ever has to go through that

[@n4th4n444]

@@Noctem0wl its honestly so disgusting how everyone, especially online, feels so comfortable objectifying literally everyone they see. it feels like every second post i see is something along the lines of "wow this person ive never met before has a great dick/ass/boobs and i want to *************" like holy shit do yall have no respect for others

[@pepsigirl808]

it's real trauma that happens to women every day, not an absurdist situation and that probably didn't fit their vision i've never watched this show but i have a big appreciation for it for showing that reality tbh with u !

[@endless_sands]

12:21 i like how she said "i think about feelings of joy or sadness" Implying she feels nothing and only thinks what it would feel like

[@mime514]

Interesting, I saw it as her containing those emotions solely in her mind, making them thoughts rather than expressed feelings

[@hellopeople6138]

This episode might be the most important episode I’ve ever watched. I can’t watch it again because it’s so triggering but it helped me understand why age regression is so important to me. I was hurt like Nurse Bendy as a child and ever since then, I find myself finding comfort in re-enacting my childhood before the trauma began. This is why I get so upset when people make fun of age regressors and especially when people call it sexual. It’s very hard to live when you know your innocence was taken so early. Finding comfort in childish things is a healthy coping mechanism

[@ZachYohama]

As someone who finds comfort in that mental space as well, it also infuriates me whenever someone looks at me the wrong way just by me saying that I'm an age regressor, like they want to say "Ew, what the fk is wrong with you?" But just want to be polite. I personally haven't been SA'd in my early childhood, but I have had enough childhood trauma to last a lifetime, and I, obviously, would never hope for anyone to be SA'd at any point in their life.

[@mariahvardiman5851]

Yep mine isn’t so bad I just enjoy watching the shows repeatedly from my childhood only way I go to sleep

[@hellopeople6138]

@@mariahvardiman5851 Literally same. Almost all of the things I watch/read are from my childhood/middle school.

[@TheBlairWenchProject]

_So THATS what it is. I’m 40 and I take pleasure in having my stuffed animals. Playing with toys. And just chilling in my element to the times before I was violated by my baby sitter. I’ve gotten to a point where I can talk about it now but wow. And yeah there’s definitely no sexual aspect for me._

[@EngineerMonkey-zp3yj]

I thought age regression was a little unusual as a victim myself, because I don't do it and didn't understand it before now. Thanks for helping me to understand it.

[@casrastr0phe]

As a victim of CSA, i find this episode absolutely necessary and I'm very glad this episode exists. I also use age regression as a coping mechanism like the first character, it has helped alot. This episode really represents a part of survivors that not many people really talk about. I really wish there were more media representing survivors and coping mechanisms like this.

[@neetgrl]

as someone who also age regresses i agree it needs to be talked about and represented more

[@iwantabiscuitplz]

Wow, I've never watched the show but it's so sad it was cancelled for this. This episode looks disturbing and depressing as hell, but it's also real art. The way it uses objects and symbols to subtly show us these women's stories and their state of mind etc. is brilliant. It shows people who've been victimized as actual people, and shows how they cope with their traumas. Too deep for adult swim, clearly

[@fuzzywzhe]

It's an extremely cynical and dark show. Really, everybody is horrible in it, meaning they're all bad people, at least the adults are. You can give it a try but this show is just so incredibly dark and cynical. I have seen it ages ago, I would never go back to it. People aren't this dark, some people are, but everybody in this series is dark and messed up on some way.

[@АндрейМатвей-д8э]

Probably bc most adult swim fans idea of deep funny or REAL is a character cussing drinking or making rape/sex commentary in a degrading disgusting way (don’t forget shit and vomit)

[@applespotty2232]

@@fuzzywzhesuper late, and also haven’t seen the show so I don’t have all the context, but that exacerbation is part of satirization

[@fuzzywzhe]

@@applespotty2232 It's just extremely cynical. Go watch a few episodes. All the adults are interminably hypocritical and morally corrupt, and Orel is just aggravating naive. Orel literally believes everything told to him without any critical thought. It's a show of enormous extremes. None of the characters are likable, and it's a vicious attack on religion and I'm saying this as an atheist.

[@applespotty2232]

@@fuzzywzhe i'll check it out, but i'm more of an anti-theist so i feel like unless it's really THAT distasteful it's gonna be kinda preaching to the choir

[@cskyla1844]

In the military, I've had five people harass me and one person actually assault me. Being in a male dominant environment made me feel so anxious and paranoid. I grew up with brothers with no sisters, I was so used to acting and being a part of friend groups with mostly men. I really wanted to be around girls a lot more, but I felt like I didn't belong because I get nervous around them since I never really learned about the more girlish interests and stuff so naturally I would go back to my comfort zone. After being so violated, there were many times I tried to take my life. My own boyfriend at the time, a month after I got assaulted, cheated on me because he thought I "would leave him for another guy" when I would rant to him saying I'm scared of just interacting with men at the moment alone. I realized really shortly that when confronted with the issues of abuse of women, most men really just don't care and see it as an inconvenience if it doesn't affect them somehow. The man who assaulted me was one of the men I rejected. Everyone else that harassed me took advantage of me or my kindness. I since then embraced my femineity more and I stopped hanging out with guys.

[@kavve3h]

I'm so sorry you've been through this. i really hope you're at a better environment now, please stay strong. 💓

[@SweetLolita]

That whole part about it being an inconvenience to men is so real. Whenever I opened up about my past it was “can you try on getting over it?”. It hurts they don’t see what it does to you

[@leolor9328]

Wow, you are such a brave and resilient person.

[@wa_________ge3254]

Sorry to hear that. He should’ve just broken up with you if he thought that, cause that is a valid concern in the military.

[@morpheusgreene2704]

lmao but equal rights equal fights? why didnt you just take care of yourself? arent you a strong, independant woman? 🤡

[@thevoicesaregettinglouder16]

I was introduced to this show when I was 5. Imagine my horror when I gradually learned what was really happening in it

[@yukikanegawa7470]

Did they think it was a kid's show?

[@KingOfGaymes]

That sounds like some bad parenting 😀

[@98953812]

You were up that late??

[@reet7060]

@@KingOfGaymes nah I would just wait til my parents were asleep, turn the volume to 3 and they were none the wiser. Really it’s the kids’ faults 😂

[@oreo_6206]

ayo 5😭nahh thats unfortunate bro

[@heatherbpitty]

Well being a woman who could never produce a child I really understand what's being said here. Basically my family and people around me all my life made me feel like a sub standard person because of it and it's really taken a toll on me in how I view society. Maybe these things should be talked about. Now im a spinster and afraid of most people.

[@arathsg9824]

Fuck them im sure you’re great and their words shouldn’t get to you even labeling yourself that puts you down if you want to find someone there’s literally 7 BILLION people out here that also want to be in a loving relationship and wether you want kids or not there are many ways to still have them! Please take care of yourself if you start believing what they say you’re letting them win

[@cheriremily9360]

You are not the problem but seeking therapy to realize that would be good. You are not a walking incubator.

[@Futurebound_jpg]

I dont know if it makes you feel better, or worse, but im fertile and choose not to have a biological baby. I want to adopt. I have a million reasons. We can die during childbirth. its the worst pain a human can experience. Some pregnancies make you bedridden. Humans are overpopulated anyway. Id rather go adopt a healthy baby and skip the painful part. Raising a kid is work enough without putting my body through the ringer. I want to save a kid who could’ve grown up without a family, like me. Having biological children isn’t important to me at all. I mostly appose the idea at all. Lots of others feel the same. You are NOT “missing” anything ❤ you are whole as u are, im sorry that so many people you love think otherwise

[@Porabany]

You are trans, bro.

[@chickenandksivideoreviewer9739]

​@@Futurebound_jpgI don't think dying in labour is something to worry about nowadays. Maybe 50 years ago

[@---pu7ke]

WOW! When it shows the woman’s perspective it’s banned🤦‍♀️ Wow. The hypocrisy pointed out the end is spot on.

[@Larsen_illustrations]

I think it's more showing the real raw trauma of sa victims than it being about women, it probably still would've gotten banned if it was men, but that's just me

[@---pu7ke]

@@Larsen_illustrations Yeah ik it’s more about facing the reality of SA. That it gets serious/real and can emotionally impact people in a way that making light of SA doesn’t (although maybe they don’t realize or don’t care that other “acceptable” content can hit different groups of people differently??). It’s still wrong imo what people consider appropriate vs not🤷‍♀️ And it sucks that the creators were told to go darker with the show, and when they did they scrapped the show😭 But a lot of it is probably just trying to make profits so maybe it shouldn’t be taken so personal??? I’m not sure. But it’s interesting that more people are getting interested in Moral Orel again. And I do like shows like Tuca & Bertie that do go into the perspectives of women and SA, and then shows like Bee and Puppycat who give women perspectives, etc. I really like to see growing diversity in animation. It also means more shows that I can relate to (or not feel alienated from).

[@stinkyman2779]

@@Larsen_illustrations its still a bad look and people arent wrong for picking up on it

[@Larsen_illustrations]

@@stinkyman2779 yeah

[@just_j_like_the_letter]

I'll never forget seeing this episode when I was a teenager, it really opened my eyes not only to how much art is able to push boundaries, but also to how anyone I meet could be experiencing a trauma I'll never understand.

[@prettyevil6662000]

I was so mad when I first learned this episode got the show canceled. It was the episode that meant the most to me. As someone who was SA'd, I went through a lot of victim blaming and that led to a lot of self-blaming. These situations were so raw about it, no covering it up or hiding it and I really needed that in my life when everyone else was too embarrassed to talk about it with me.

[@wokebans]

Morel Orel team was brainstorming on how they could tug at the viewers on a channel full of dark humor and somehow landed on psychological horror

[@abeingthatishuman]

I really live how BP talks about religious content. As far as I know, he's an atheist, but he still retains a level of respect for the religion he's talking about. I always know that he's not going to go out of his way to make a joke that completely misses the point. He pretty much just focuses on the show and I respect the hell out of him for that

[@garydomaz1849]

She pictured the rapist in a more romantic setting. She felt terrible for feeling that way because she is still upset that he violated her.

[@mushkinss]

Hey, about Agnes (the one who was r***d by his grandfather) and as a person who has OCD... One of my theories that caused her to recreate that trauma of hers is because that thought kept lingering within her mind. She suffers from "intrusive thoughts," and her recreating her trauma once again was triggered by those "intrusive thoughts." Intrusive thoughts are one of the major symptoms of OCD, and yes... I can resonate with her very well... OCD includes self-loathing, and I did have these "urges" related to what I feared the most. She was highly relatable, and I kept having these "thoughts" that I didn't like, and it would constantly appear in my mind, forcing me to actually ALMOST do it... Every negative thing you can think of... It would feel like the worms inside your brain are SLOWLY starting to colonize your brain and take over it, even though you never had the intention to invite them. It's also considered as "obsessive thoughts." I believe that her OCD started from her trauma, obsessing over her trauma to the point where her thoughts are consuming her and telling her that "she wants it" even though she doesn't... The thing that disturbed me about this part is that IT'S RELATABLE, and she ACTUALLY followed her compulsion that was triggered by her obsessive thoughts... I believe that it doesn't just start by a shallow factor, but her recreating her trauma was OCD-related because her sickness is forcing her to think that she "enjoyed her trauma with her grandfather" even though she actually didn't. And that's how the self-loathing happens... I want to cry, I felt bad for her after watching that episode. I kind of had similar experiences, and it triggered me because I felt like I was watching the old me in 3rd perspective. For those who are suffering from OCD, your thoughts never define you! Just to let you know that it's okay and please seek help immediately... I know that it's hard to open up things like this because it's common for us to get misunderstood, thinking that we actually "wanted it." We're not in control. Our disorders don't define us, okay? Please seek help immediately, especially if you reached this point... I want to hug all the people who suffered from trauma and OCD. You are all good, and you did nothing wrong... I am actually amazed that they did a perfect depiction of how it works... People commonly depict OCD as someone who is a clean-freak, a perfectionist, and someone who likes order. It's far more different than that, and those people are following their urges to feel safe and avoid feeling anxious from whatever is the obsessive thought that triggers it. Stay safe everyone... If you know someone who also suffers from this or opens up to you, please help them immediately. This is very serious.

[@heydemonssitsme_marianna8303]

As someone also with OCD you explained this perfectly. It’s such a draining illness

[@pissapocalypse]

​@Heydemonssitsme_marianna Yeah I'm tired all the time. I can never escape

[@rencunin]

If I remember right, OCD is strongly linked with control and a need for control isn't it? I was misdiagnosed with OCD for a long time, and my need for "control" was a big reason why. These thoughts that try to make you think you "enjoyed it" or "asked for it" are sometimes a coping mechanism to help us feel like WE are in control and that we were in control the whole time. Rape is an act of control, and when we are sexually assaulted we have no control. Our mind, in trying to protect us, later makes us feel like we DID have control. This is what leads to the horrible thoughts of "you enjoyed it", because our mind is trying to justify the idea of us having control when we really didn't. And that's what would explain Agnes "luring" the man to her home, if he deliberately "let" this man in and "allowed" him to rape her, she can tell herself that SHE was in control and it was HER decision. Very fucked up, but this is a real coping mechanism and OCD can further complicate things. Maybe agnes felt like she could have control over her sexual trauma if she "invited" it this time. But ultimately, even if she deliberately left her door open and knew the man might rape her, she wasn't in control. We have no control, rape takes control from us when it happens. Her mind might have convinced her via her impulsive thoughts that she should try and "invite" the man in, so that she can truly feel like she has "control" over what happened to her before, but it is all a result of the sickness. This is such a nuanced and well researched episode; the age regression of nurse bendy and agnes' struggle for control while trying to understand her impulsive thoughts and fantasies. Fantasies that may make her feel like she has control over the disgusting crime she was a victim of, and control over all the damage it has done to her.

[@swagjose1817]

nice to see more people with OCD! it makes you hate your mind and wish it just shuts down for a sec.

[@pastadash4684]

Nurse Bendy wasn’t just raped in the past, she’s consistently seen as a sexual plaything by all men around her and is constantly taken advantage of, which is why she says “not you too”; Hubby is the only “man” she can trust not to force himself on her, which means she can’t trust any man at all to respect her as a person. Also idk where you’re getting the grandfather thing for Miss Sculptham, the man who raped her was the ice cream man who was also a pedophile and heavily featured in at least one previous episode. And in an episode that was shot but never aired that you can find on KZbin, Orel’s friend walks in on her being raped by him in the same timeline as the show. And she got an orgasm from it as well as pregnant, which is where the self loathing comes from because she hates that she got any pleasure out of being raped

[@domsboyfriend]

we rarely see detailed depictions of child sa victims in media like shows and music. it’s rly sad to see a detailed depiction of it get cancelled when we so rarely get the opportunity

[@domsboyfriend]

it’s extremely comforting to have representation of your trauma so i truly wish the topic of CSA was less taboo , csa victims rarely ever get that comfort

[@gentlegiant5678]

I can't stress this enough: I am so unbelievably apathetic to everything (not in an unhealthy way, I've completely made peace with it and I'm completely stress free), NOTHING touches me. Absolutely nothing. But that part of the episode showing the aftermath of csa and seeing how someone copes completely rattled me to my core. I've never seen such an accurate depiction of what it's like, I completely related to everything they said

[@occam7382]

@@domsboyfriend, not trying to be offensive or derail this or anything, but when I see CSA, I cannot help but laugh. I just can't.

[@soulpunk9966]

@@occam7382what the fuck could you possible find funny about csa

[@palhacogozo89]

​@@occam7382"Not trying to be offensive or anything, but csa is just a joke to me lmao"

[@maddieals]

the entire last season of moral orel really showed the capability and potential the show had, bummed it got cancelled

[@olivercondon3600]

As someone who has dealt with childhood s*xual a*use and victim blaming, I’m having so many different emotions watching this (when I get overwhelmed, scared or have flash backs, I go back into the mindset of a 4 to 6 year old)

[@LongLostInideQueen]

Wishing healing and blessings to you…I am so sorry. From one survivor to another. Please take your time to heal. You matter.

[@renny489]

I feel like Morale Oral was the only show that I've watched that represented me perfectly as an SA Victim, it didn't show the SA but showed the damage it causes afterwards and hurts more and more the longer you're around and don't even notice the massive impact it has on your life.

[@sunnidae5024]

Literally and for me it helped me see tht I'm not the only one coping in the ways I did. Helped me to see tht I shouldn't feel shame for myself but instead for the ppl who did wht they did.

[@BehindTheMustche]

Fun Fact: Starburns from Community was the show’s creator/show runner. Anyway, this episode was SO eye opening to me when I saw it in my 20s (after it aired). Some parts confused me when I was younger but when I rewatched the series it 100% made me rethink how I view the impact of objectificatying women and trauma. When I was younger “lmao egg fetish” but early 20s it’s just heartbreaking to see how abstract and strange trauma manifests. What initially felt strangely uncomfortable but funny now is just wanting to help these types of women that suffer through these fucked circumstances

[@schnabby208]

his name is ALEX

[@theatricalhorseschlong]

Moral Orel: We’re gonna _joke_ about all these horrible things that happen in life. AdultSwim: Go for it! Moral Orel: Actually, we’re going to bring these topics to light in a _serious_ manner, because it’s important people understand they’re not alone; these are valid issues we have in our world. AdultSwim: *>:0*

[@loubloom1941]

Bringing these topics out into the light is likely not the reason why it was banned. You're just putting a spin on reality. Please, be honest.

[@jb1883yo]

​@@loubloom1941 what do you mean? It seems fairly straight forward. Care to elaborate?

[@princesspikachu3915]

@@loubloom1941 It was too honest maybe? It was pretty disturbing.

[@CannibalMukbang]

Exactly.

[@SunBane67]

Adult swim (A meme comedy network) cancelled it because *shockingly* it's not funny... Arguing this show should be on Adultswim is like arguing river monsters should be on Disney channel.

[@poisonpawn6452]

The irony of a damaged woman acting like a child, using child like worlds to avoid reality, is having to be described without using adult words, and being forced by censorship to edit words and say things like "SA"...is not lost.

[@nkbujvytcygvujno6006]

I know right? KZbin already deleted a reply I made on this video because I spelled r-pe properly, left for another vid, and it was gone when I came back. On a perfect Wi-Fi connection. I had to rewrite all of it. The dystopia we live in is ridiculously hellish.

[@dragonmage1175]

The fact that this episode (or at least this part) exists at all makes me kinda happy. I regress due to trauma and stress, and there aren't really any shows/movies/whatever that show regression in ANY way. Edit literally right after I posted this: It also shows that regression isn't always going to be pure. Panic attacks and flashbacks happen regardless of headspace.

[@lavender9844]

I’ve been groomed twice, and it was the worst thing that’s ever happened to me. I can’t imagine how much worse actual rape is - I’m so glad the creators of this show wanted to bring attention to it. Adult Swim is a bunch of cowards.

[@thatdude3977]

😂

[@sillyseri]

@@thatdude3977 literally what is funny

[@-jazzy-lil-guy209]

I hope you're doing okay

[@lavender9844]

@@-jazzy-lil-guy209 Tysm.

[@RonnieRawdawg]

🤣🤣🤣 you didn't learn after the first one?

[@phineapple2784]

as a victim of CSA, yeah, i fantasized about being r*ped for years and i couldn't understand why. until l found out i was actually continuously assaulted as a child. what a wild thing to find on adult swim lmao

[@svirgo1224]

Wow I'm so sorry. Can I ask how you found this out about yourself? Kinda tryna figure this thing out for myself and want to do more research...

[@unclewiley1986]

​@@svirgo1224 i wasnt (to my knowledge) r*ped but I realized I was m*lested after noticing my reacfions to certain things weren't typical and finally i had something trigger the memory. Sometimes the brain keeps the memories locked until you can handle it.

[@svirgo1224]

@@unclewiley1986 wow. Thanks for your response! I hope it has started your journey to healing. You know, I can totally relate to your response. Some behaviors, even as a child was just not normal.

[@sassysalmon93]

Thank you I’m so glad I’m not alone

[@MASTEROFEVIL]

That's messed up

[@HalloTschuess]

So when the CEOs said "go darker" what they meant was "go more offensive, go disgusting, go dark humour" but not "go serious". They didn't want them to make an actual deep episode with a dark subject matter, they wanted them to make a "funny, shockingly offensive kind of thing". Given that probably 70 or more percent of the people who watch this are just misogynistic idiots who feel subconsciously reassured in their world view when they hear derogatory comments about women and laugh frantically at masturbation jokes you'd see how the writers would piss off or confuse the regular viewerbase with an episode like that. And those CEOs wouldn't want that, now would they. After all, that's not what generates high viewing rates. And that's what it's all about in the corporate world. Unfortunately, 90% of people are idiots. Thats why deep and innovative shows rarely make it big. Cause most people don't even want to bother to start and think a little deeper about what they have just seen. Another great example is South Park: I have never heard a single person IRL get into detail about the satirical intent behind a single episode, or the clever analogies they make, or how they construct their episodes and plot points, but i have heard "fuck you uncle fucker" sung several times or talked about how hilarious Mr. Hanky (that weird disgusting poop thing that leaves a trail of shit everywhere he goes) is. People want shallow entertainment. They don't care what's behind that curtain of offensiveness and shock value. Imagine South Park did an episode that was super serious and only like 3 or 4 jokes in the entire episode. I guarantee you that would NOT be well received by the common degenerate in front of that screen either.

[@vanillakilla64]

Learning that the creator was Starburns from Community was wild bc I love both shows so much.

[@tokucore4524]

he graduated from my high school!! which made me freak out when i first found out

[@vanillakilla64]

@@tokucore4524 that’s so cool I love learning things like that

[@eilir_adron]

omg he is?? i had no clue

[@vanillakilla64]

@@eilir_adron yea I saw his name on community and was like no way!

[@pissapocalypse]

WAIT WHAT

[@ripleyandweeds1288]

lowkey descpicable that adult swim was okay with rape so long as it was a joke with no consequences.

[@cutterholt3987]

Like every Quagmire “joke”

[@rami9274]

One episode I always remember is the one where Orel's mom numbs herself and accidentally brutalizes herself sexually from masturbation. When she goes to the doctor, she grows attached to him because he shows interest and concern in her, which she doesn't get from her husband, so she further hurts herself. Once she stops sexually harming herself tho, the doctor no longer has interest in her and even goes out of his way to not look at her, so she goes back to feeling numb and neglected. Just thought it fit this theme of focusing on violence towards women

[@palmtreemojo5878]

The fact that people are being censored on saying words like rape ,sexual assault, and things like that should be waking people up 💯💯

[@BlackCroft666]

Well then people would have to acknowledge taht certain cultures are far worse in that regard and that would be "r*cist" and we can't have that. Also male victims are still the b*tt of the joke most of the times. it is not like only women are victims.

[@gavoskaambrose3812]

I was so upset they couldn't make their final season for this show, there was meant to be a sweet conclusion for a number of the characters in the show by the end that we just missed out on because of Adult Swim going full hypocrite and cancelling it when it began opening up the door to these deeper issues in those characters. So glad to see Morel Orel finally getting a resurgence of popularity on the internet again though, it deserves praise for how provocative it was!

[@readyforclarity]

As a cult survivor, Moral Orel was quite the experience. It's a beautiful show and I wish it hadn't ended so early.

[@zeeer0rooo]

What makes the nurse scene so damn disturbing is knowing the psychology of being SA’d at a young age…

[@Nightstormshadow1]

It socks this show got canceled cuz it's kinda a powerful show with how it calls out religion. This episode that banned the show really says a lot about mental health and how people cope.

[@GrayDisciple]

Watching this made me uncomfortable. And that's the point. It's the reason we don't talk about the seriousness of these issues. Nobody likes to confront legitimate issues because it's uncomfortable. So instead of talking about them and confronting them, we pretend it doesn't exist.

[@lottiemcbride]

not to go into too much detail but having been a CSA victim, i'm honestly kind of baffled not only that (specifically for the second character's story) her trauma was recognised in such a strangely complex way, but that it was impactful enough for one of my favourite, most goofy KZbinrs of the last 10 years (i SEE you BionicPic!!!) to cover it? shows some insane growth on all of our parts.... imo it seems as though their team did a remarkable job of framing how victims aren't just doubted, but often find themselves doubting their OWN experiences given how others percieve them - and i think it's wonderful and artistic and harrowing, but in its own way pretty encouraging that by the end of the 2nd woman's story, it's made clear that her sacrifice ultimately lead to the closure of herself and other victims i don't know dude i just relate really strongly to this narrative and i think it's incredible for this team to have touched on such a nuanced discussion... absolutely fantastic video, Pig. Maybe one of your best when it comes to the more serious ones :')

[@yeahitsme3153]

I recently started watching Moral Orel because of all the videos covering the show. When I saw the episode, Nurse Bendy's story hit too close to home. I was SA'd at the age of 11 by my older brother. I shared a room with him and my younger sister (she and I had a bunk bed, her on top, me on bottom; he had a mattress on the floor across the room). He snuck into my bed one night because he was "curious about the female anatomy and wanted to know what it felt/looked like." I didn't tell my parents til I was 16 because I knew what my brother was capable of doing to me. I developed strange ways of coping with the trauma (age regression, D.I.D., etc) and developed anxiety and depression. I would always blame myself for it happening, because I knew I could've stopped it. I started therapy because of this, and it's been almost two years since. My parents forced my brother to apologize to me through a letter, which is where I got the previous quote. When I told my therapist, we found that nothing could be done to my brother because there's no proof that it happened, and that too much time has passed/I waited too long to tell anybody. I'm almost 18 now, he's 21 and still lives with us. I learned recently that I'm not entirely over it. I have my own room, and so does my brother (he still lives with our parents). He has a bad habit of barging into my room without knocking. You can imagine how much fear that instills in me.

[@Bunny_Is_Trying]

I'm so sorry. Your brother is a horrible, terrible person. I hope your doing better❤ stay strong❤

[@saffy_9967]

Adult swim only approves of “dark” subjects AKA laughing at rape, misogyny and objectification.

[@withlessAsbestos]

They’re ok as long as you don’t have to think. I mean the TV in Fahrenheit 451 sounds like a Family guy episode.

[@elongatedmanforever1252]

I completely disagree stuff like that is seen as bad and is banned.

[@elongatedmanforever1252]

@@withlessAsbestos Family guy has always been Stupid.

[@victoriaescobedo5458]

Worst thing with the Ms. Sculptham thing is that that probably wasn't the only time Creepler forced his way into her house, there's an episode with completed audio recordings that got animated years after the show's cancellation, and one scene has Creepler holding Ms. Sculptham at knife point, only for her to fall asleep when someone came in, ending the scene with Creepler saying, "She's not even scared anymore" It's a shame that Adult Swim didn't have the guts to feature an episode with serious topics like this episode.

[@princembat]

what i find ridiculous is... if they found this episode so deeply upsetting and uncomfortable... why did they greenlight it in the first place? this show was definitely ahead of its time, i kinda wish it could be rebooted or continued in the modern day, but i doubt itll ever come back. what was shown was pretty damn well done, though.

[@catmeme6380]

The forced sterilization part with Ms. Censordol is something that actually happened in the U.S. from the 1920s-1970s (moreso in the 1920’s and 30’s) as part of the eugenics movement in America, mostly done to those seen as ‘undesirable’ to society, and only recently have doctors stopped doing these sterilizations.

[@nkbujvytcygvujno6006]

Since she's white, I guess the in show explanation is that her mother/parents had such a need to control her that they removed it out of the justification that the ability to conceive was a taint. But yeah, I'm glad more people are finding out about that. It still happens to plenty of Native Americans and blacks who go in for any surgery, they wake up and discover on their own that their uterus was removed too. It's not just a past thing, but they're usually too poor to sue. I know some people who had it happen recently as 2019.

[@nkbujvytcygvujno6006]

I guess the in-show explanation is that her mother/parents were so obsessed with controlling her and keeping her from marriage/an "acceptable" life according to her community to make themselves feel better that they removed it under the premise that it tainted her. But yeah, I'm glad more people are finding out about this. It's horrific, Native American or black women will still go in for a surgery and find their vagina removed without their knowledge after the fact. And deal with the health complications of having a major organ removed that does way more for women other than reproduction alone. And they usually don't have money to sue. It's still happening, it's not just history. I know people who've had it happen to them as recently as 2019.

[@ashv9565]

That hits so hard. Quite a few victims of SA often have SA fantasies. It's about retaking control of a situation where you were helpless. A lot of people have this but are also very ashamed of it and they don't get to explore it because of that. Shame and it's just awful. The whole thing is awful. This episode is killing me.

[@foxarror]

bring moral orel back. please. they are SO DUMB for cancelling this show. its absolutely incredible and i want to see how things continue for orel. he was finally seeing through his dad's bullshit

[@GrandpaTrout]

14:12 I like your interpretation, but I see the door locking scene as her fighting with herself whether or not she actually wants to leave the lock open, seeing as she struggles with her feelings towards what happened. I see it as a self-destructive fight with herself, and if you notice when she makes her decision to leave it unlocked, the "eugh" noise nearly sounds like disgust mixed with relief.

[@nkbujvytcygvujno6006]

Well, considering the scene with lights she likely has OCD as well.

[@milesfolley6840]

It was a way to help people have empathy for those who are attacked. But nonetheless, it being cancelled proved the point of the show.

[@dolce2294]

i normally don’t like to watch these types of videos because they’re very triggering as an SA victim myself, and i’m a little shaky typing this out - however this brought me a great deal of comfort. especially with the nurse’s storyline. i was 15 when it happened and it’s been very hard for me to ‘adult’ in a sense because i was unknowingly stunted. while the experience was 7 years ago, it still affects me to this day, but i’m happy for the healing and progress i’ve been able to achieve after the fact. even though this is a cartoon, it truly feels incredible that they were bold enough to make an episode shedding light onto how SA affects survivors differently. and to any survivors like myself that may stumble across this; you are not alone and you did not deserve it. be proud of the accomplishments you’ve made, big or small, because you deserve to thrive.

[@bbhavefun11]

Figured I should reflect this back at you: You didn't deserve it either. None of us did. Be proud of yourself and your recovery and your resilience. We will thrive no matter what happened to us.

[@dolce2294]

@@bbhavefun11 thank you, that means the absolute world to me 🤍 and i hope all of us who have endured this are able to heal and that we did not deserve what happened.

[@jimbearone]

This is a mirror of our society and many underlying issues and when things get too real they get nervous.

[@FirstnameLastname-do1px]

This isn’t remotely a mirror of society though.

[@trickyroad]

​@@FirstnameLastname-do1pxit actually is

[@briankaslewicz6130]

There's a brutal sincerity to the banned episode that Adult Swim usually never hinges on, even with the few times Rick & Morty tries in (the end of the Cronenberg & Unity episodes come to mind). They're usually just a short scene, this was a whole episode.

[@notsmii7y]

Wdym

[@vinnyfionda4237]

I don't speak about my past much as a teenage SA victim because it happen so long ago, and most of my family (some of them religious and others agnostic) never accepted me or supported me. Mid-2019 was the first time I truly open up about the traumatic ordeal. Fortunately, at 23 (in ‘19) I was ready to discuss the whole experience with a qualified therapist, in a safe space (without judgement or blame.) The negatives came from home- my mother knew about it but never protected me- telling me to “marry” the abuser (who was 9 years my elder, while I was 14.) The family social workers were never informed, so there was no record of it. My parents lied to me for years, sadly. My father regrets a lot of that while my mother doesn't view the repeated SA as r*pe, to groom me into the notion that it was “my fault” for being too “mature” at a young age. Sure, I was independent and self-reliant (I had to be or I'd starve and my siblings would have starved.) Growing up impoverished and without a proper family connection/dynamic spoils everything. It gives you trust issues and creates this feeling of emptiness and incompleteness. My therapist managed to help me get away (the UK has some very strict rules when it comes to victims fleeing abusive households- usually offering help for 16 to 25-year-olds.) I got away at 24 and lived a good life in supported housing for 2 years, to truly free myself from that poison. However, mistakes happened and I was dragged back into the family’s drama. All of which have resulted in homelessness at 27. Where are these people now? Well, they're gone. The years I lived as a silent SA survivor tailored a lot of how I think and do. I can't say “no” out of fear of worse happening to me- when I try to set boundaries and lay down the law with potentially awful people (I've had some close encounters and sadly a repeat of r*pe last August, but I reported that one)- ugh, the police and legal system seldom does much to engender confidence in you. I understand my identity plays a role in this- I am LGBTQ. God, I am forever paranoid that most people are dangerous or overly interested in breaking through my resolve to exploit the little trust I build between them and myself. It started at home first, with my parents. My mother introduced me to sexual concepts from the age of 6, and my father took money from me due to my disabilities and mental illnesses. The UK’s mental health service is at a crisis point- most of us wait months to be referred and seen. The August incident wasn't taken further because I struggled to answer questions correctly (autism and trauma often leave your mind in a haze or cause you to regress mentally)- throughout the entire interview with the officers I stared at the clock and door, wanting to be anywhere else. The two men were never identified or found. So, I try my best to move on instead. The female officer was worse than her male colleague (she wasn't compassionate or patient.) The whole process is a mess. The young police officer (the guy) had more empathy towards me, which was acknowledged and appreciated. But, I was unable to give a full statement and ended up telling them to “leave it”, fearing the consequences and never wanting to face those two men again. Plus, my whole identity was tied into it (which it shouldn't be.) I'm perfectly fine with the facts and understand why I was a target at the time. Despite doing everything ‘right’ to avoid the circumstances of SA (as an adult), and yet, it still happened. And more forcefully. These things don't just HAPPEN. It's got little to do with attraction to the female form or needing to “release” hormones. Too many excuses are made to protect those who are not the victims. It's got nothing to do with a woman or a “birthing person” dressing in a salacious manner (doesn't justify the act even if some of us DO present that way.) It has little to do with enjoyment and seeking a “thrill.” I believe it's more about humiliation and taking away control from the victim- about there being no respect for a person- weighing them down to something so insignificant and impersonal. At least, that's my anecdotal take. I know others go through this, and I often forget that. When you're locked inside your head (with all of your trauma) you forget about the world and its many problems. Oh, this will likely get me some grief. It always does. I don't comment much on here (or anywhere else.) I learned to keep it all quiet and shut myself up. But this video moved me. And some of the comments moved me. So, I hope (soon) we can all have a conversation about this tragic topic and be candid about it. I've met so many people (most of them autistic or LGBTQ) who lived eerily similar childhoods to me, which causes so much pause. I've known some SA survivors to go down darker paths- addiction and sex work (not that sex work is immoral, so long you're safe and not hurting anybody in the process.) Hell, it nearly happened to me. It may happen (I don't know.) Everything is a nightmare right now. Rock bottom is a lonely place to be and I am trying my best to navigate through the legal system here in the UK (none of it makes sense, lol.) But, everyone keeps telling me, “Sorry, that's how it is.” A repeated line that I've heard since I was 14. And for a great many things that haven't been my fault- man, it's almost like I was cursed. Yet, I remain spirited and unapologetically hopeful that someday I'll rise to the occasion, get my turn to learn at university and become an advocate (a mental health specialist specifically supporting all people with their trauma.) I want nothing more than to devote the rest of my time to helping others when they feel all is lost. I refuse to give in and let those memories etch me away. I'm no longer fragile or meek- there are vulnerabilities- but for the first time in my life (despite how alone I am now, without a family or many friends to put me up), I can become something. The hard work and need to survive (since that's second nature to me now anyway) will keep me alive. I hope to come back to this video in a year and see how different things turn out. If not, well. It's truly tragic if not. So, I'll quit trauma dumping online and get back to my usual business (looking for work and accommodation somewhere cheap.) I hope everyone who's going through something similar reads this and feels that they're NOT ALONE. You're alone. Not really. Never feel ashamed or burdened by the victim-blaming narratives spewed online (or in real life.) “Ignorance is bliss.” Those who talk nonsense have no intentions of ever comprehending what others suffer through, and you will never ‘convince’ them. Moreover, it isn't your job to coddle them and walk them through this- believe me- there will come a day when these bigoted people learn for themselves. And it won't directly happen to them- rarely does. But they may meet someone or learn about someone close to them (near and dear) who experiences this- hopefully, through that process- begin to empathise and understand that none of what trauma from SA embodies within a survivor is negligible. And don't give up. More importantly, never give up. Opportunities for help are there. Mine came in the form of therapy (CBT), but in truth, 3 years wasn't enough to get the most out of my time. I suppose most of my attitude comes from adulthood. How I've matured and managed to discern the triggers and cope with my flashbacks. I still struggle. I'm not always able to go through my OCD routines. But, most days are numb- I prefer to be completely unemotional to everything. I don't draw too much attention to myself with obvious figures looking to hurt me (on the bus or walking around at night.) I just put on a mask and wait until I'm safe to cry. Yeah, I may grow to regret saying most of this and admitting it. The worse time to do it, lol.

[@chiariscuro]

Reading this really helped me. Thank you so much. May us and all the other victims always keep our hearts strong and full of hope

[@phreeesubz]

*It's absolutely ok, and downright important to say words like "Sexual Assault" and "Rapist" lets not censor these things and give them more power by fearing the mention of them!* *(Think Voldemort in Harry Potter)*

[@-Burch]

while I 100% agree, doesn't youtube take down videos if they say those words?

[@0neDoomedSpaceMarine]

@@-Burch No. They will demonetize you, but they'll also demonetize you for a million absolutely inane reasons as well.

[@anonymousandy2789]

Fuck censorship youtube is KZbin. If people want to make money off videos they should get a TV show.

[@heylol1149]

100000% agree. They’re not bad words, they’re things that actually happen and NEED to be talked about. Censoring only gives them more power and adds to feelings of shame for victims.

[@anonymousandy2789]

@@heylol1149 ever since Google has bought this platform it's gone from a place of home videos its gone from a place of free speech, multifunctional, socialized all purpose entertainment, into a profit driven, sanitized, pay to play algorithmic thought silo.

[@Catalyst_Comet]

Honestly as a victim of SA, this video hits home. We all deal with things differently. These women show that,, and I applaud the creators for displaying it so well!