The ergo that changes everything. (LAMZU Thorn Review)

[@its_yifang]

Correction. There is grips in the box and I'm just blind!

[@maltakar9879]

Wth, this is one of the best reviews Ive seen ever… for any product. Love how you emphasize every little detail about the shape and grip. Was thinking about buying a Thorn and this review convinced me. Cheers mate!

[@its_yifang]

Glad you enjoyed and hope you check out the other videos too! I put pride in only in-depth but as a result vids come slow 😢

[@giow.9517]

I think lamzu deserve the company of the year at this point

[@its_yifang]

Lamzu OP!

[@sEaNoYeAh]

Purchased on the basis of this review as a Vaxee Outset user (which will be hard to beat long term for me personally). One thing I'll add is that its a widespread community misconception that the EC shape was designed for palm grip, the curvature is actually primarily intended to tilt the wrist away from flat as this increases wrist range of motion and reduces compression of nerves and tendons. The human wrist is not evolved to be rotated with the palm flat downwards, your natural wrist resting position has your hand in vertical alignment. Tilt grip mouse designs speak to this and are therefore both more ergonomic and more suitable for any degree of wrist aiming, not just for wrist health but for function too. That the EC allows people with smaller hands to fully place their whole hand and palm on the mouse body is incidental. There is some documentation about this out there, and in Vaxee's introduction video about the Outset they speak about how previously they had designed a tilt grip mouse (i.e the EC). Also old versions of the Zowie site always mentioned wrist aim and wrist range of motion on the EC page, and didn't mention palm grip at all. It's only since the community has come to consider it and related shapes as "palm grip" mice that Zowie has started selling the EC that way. Relaxed tilt grip claw is basically exactly what this family of shapes are made for.

[@haydenkormait]

How is it. I dont know whether to get this or the outset ax 4k.

[@Raynoxfps]

this review makes me feel really good, because i preordered before watching it

[@absolutelyaverageaudioreviews]

I was looking for a detailed shape explanation, especially in regards to the EC2, and you did that in a very understandable manner. Thanks alot for that!

[@its_yifang]

No worries! Hope you enjoyed!

[@АнатолийНатаров-г2м]

Dude, best review on thorn so far, waiting mine for few days now. And HBO sound)))

[@its_yifang]

Glad you liked the review! I will continue to improve on making them better. Hope you enjoy your Thorn when it gets here!

[@Kreege]

glad to see the emphasis you put on sensor placement. It is one of my biggest pet peeves with mice. Far too many mice have the sensor further aft than it should be.

[@its_yifang]

YES!!!

[@8020Alive]

Love the high profile of this. Might consider it myself. 🤔

[@its_yifang]

The high profile is magic for large hands

[@rain_asmr_suv]

getting your vids in recommended! ggs bro

[@its_yifang]

We're on the grind!

[@MekaniQ]

this is exactly what I've been waiting for ❤

[@its_yifang]

Hope you enjoy!

[@lmf22]

Great review. I like your explanation and demonstration of the palm and relaxed claw grip styles. I'm looking for an ergo mouse because I'll be using it for long hours (work, everyday computer, and casual gaming). I ended up buying the Thorn for now, and waiting for the Pulsar Xlite V3 (size 2) to become available on Amazon.

[@its_yifang]

Definitely an Xlite V3 angle for more relaxed usage, and appreciate your feedback! Hope you like both the mice and the video was of help, I just reviewed the Xlite V3 as well!

[@lmf22]

@@its_yifang I do like the sound of a more relaxed usage, because I'm on the computer more than 10 hours a day. I have a relaxed grip style as well. I switch between palm and relaxed claw; definitely not aggressive claw. I just watched your Xlite V3 video and about to leave a comment and questions there.

[@scouy]

Ghostwriter Yifang 😎

[@VeeHausen]

Relax claw FTW!

[@WooferCarry]

I have g303 shroud edition right now because i like the diamond shape and how locked in it is BUT i used to love ergo mouse and I also main clawgrip. And Im considering to get the thorn as it doesnt look that huge aswell since i dont have that big of a hand. Very informal review!

[@its_yifang]

Hope you enjoy!

[@WooferCarry]

@@its_yifang question is if i should get fnatic edition it has 4k dongle included and is like 10 extra to pay

[@its_yifang]

@@WooferCarry no reason not to it you ask me

[@nonri500]

great review man. would be nice if you put your hand measurements in the description, but i can defo see your hands are much larger than mine😂

[@its_yifang]

21 x 12!

[@nonri500]

@@its_yifang Thank you!

[@_Khalmyr_]

Yifang you goated 🐐

[@its_yifang]

You the goat

[@davidduarte3304]

Hello bro, I'm undecided because I bought the lamzu thorn from fnatic, which is my first ego mouse and it makes me very uncomfortable. Do you think I have to get used to it? I'm undecided between that and the logitech g pro superlight x since it makes me more comfortable. but I was very attracted to the tthorn but I feel very uncomfortable and I bought it yesterday

[@IIHydraII]

Looks good! What’s your hand size for comparisons sake? Also, how is the coating? I was leaning towards the xm2we for its great coating but I think the shape of this mouse might fit my hand better.

[@its_yifang]

21x12 hand size. XM2we has better coating than this but both work fine imo, I'd put grips on them all regardless and shape definitely a more important factor.

[@IIHydraII]

@@its_yifang thanks. I have 19x11, do you think it’d still fit ok?

[@its_yifang]

@@IIHydraII definitely

[@OkArcc]

🌵

[@MekaniQ]

catus

[@GRiMS2K]

Hi, u tried the stormbreaker and compared it to this? cheers from Norway

[@its_yifang]

Unfortunately I haven't tried stormbreaker. Pwnage never replied to me previously, but hopefully I can in the future!

[@OgSwisszyed]

i think you should also try the waizowl ogm pro and do a comparison, because kinda like the thorn but it have more feature of an ambi mouse with side curve of the ergo mouse, which suit both your and mine style of grip

[@its_yifang]

If I get a chance to, sure!

[@CodifiedLikeness]

Will be the maya review soon?Really interested in it

[@its_yifang]

Mouse should be delivered today or tomorrow!

[@giow.9517]

Oh yea btw i was thinking about getting the white color. Do u think the coating can get discoloring over time for the white?

[@its_yifang]

Probably, all mice with white coating can get that eventually if you don't care for it. However if you take care of it, my superlight has been with me since it initially released and still hasn't discoloured yet!

[@BenjaminBranson31]

Goodbye Da v3 pro and welcome my new ergo sweetheart

[@giow.9517]

what do u think about the g pro superlight x 2 coming out btw?

[@its_yifang]

Not a fan.

[@ChessBoxin]

Does the 2 circle dot skates added give it a slower or faster feeling? I just got mine and by default they're off. Rather not add/remove if someone knows based on experience. Also, I just downloaded the app and it has something called "Peak performance". I don't remember having that option on the lamzu mini or motion sync capabilities to remove it or not. I think I read that motion sync adds input lag. Peak performance is that meant to be similar to what Vaxee promotes on their mouse?

[@its_yifang]

My skates were on by default and more skates will feel less fast. I'm not sure what peak performance is but I assume it should be a competitive firmware and better to keep it on. I also leave motion sync on all my mice, not sure about adding latency this is the first I've heard of it...

[@pureau6383]

@@its_yifang I believe that motion sync only causes latency when there is bad firmware. From memory there was latency with the compex 3395, because of poor implementation. There should be no latency from motion sync with the nordic chips

[@СексиКун]

Whats your hand size and do you think it’s a good fit for small hands?

[@its_yifang]

Unfortunately this one probably isn't ideal for small hands. I'm 21x12 I feel like this would be for minimum 18x8 hand size. With my hand size I still wish for slightly larger, so I'd assume something around 19x10 would be perfect match for this.

[@СексиКун]

@@its_yifang got it, thanks g, great review btw

[@wifsk484]

The way you were talking about the mouse is was like describing a wet dream to me, man this mouse wqs made for me

[@its_yifang]

😩😩😩

[@justinkemp433]

What’s your hand size?

[@its_yifang]

21x12

[@hi3u164]

hey which mouse do u prefer the lamzu thorn or lamzu atlantis mini ?

[@its_yifang]

Personally, Thorn by a landslide, but you should pick based off your hand size and grip style.

[@hi3u164]

@@its_yifang well, my hand size is about 18x9 and i use relaxed claw grip but my thumb is on the left mouse button ( i use my left mouse button for crouching). Edit* so far ive only used the logitech superlight and i feel like its a little too big

[@its_yifang]

@@hi3u164 Atlantis Mini is an aggressive claw mouse so you'll have to be really locked in at all times, but sizing wise it should fit you. Thorn is similar sizing to Superlight if not slightly bigger so I'd recommend avoiding it. The best mouse in Lamzu lineup for you would be Maya IMO, review coming soon!

[@hi3u164]

alright thank you@@its_yifang

[@giow.9517]

Do u prefer the black or white coating?

[@its_yifang]

I prefer black and am waiting for a black variant for this mouse.

[@FaiyazFz]

hey yifang!! great review as always and also could you compare thorn's shape with the outset ax shape?

[@its_yifang]

Don't have an Outset AX on me unfortunately.e

[@puromalte7]

2 reviews in one day? yifang is going wild

[@its_yifang]

I'm trying to do what I can in my limited time!

[@lkn8337]

Have u tried the Waizowl OGM pro? How is the shape of the thorn compared to that one? I bought the OGM pro but I thought the hump is a bit fat and high for me in relax claw.

[@its_yifang]

I have not tried that unfortunately and can't comment on it. What I do know is the Waizowl stuff is much heavier weight wise and I definitely wouldn't be able to commit to using those as the weight reduction is very significant to me.

[@lkn8337]

@@its_yifang I am currently using the gpro superlight and considering to get a new mouse. For relax claw, which one do u think is better, pulsar x2v2 mini/ lamzu thorn? I have a hand size with 17.5×10. Thanks

[@its_yifang]

@@lkn8337 definitely x2 v2 mini

[@lkn8337]

@@its_yifang thx I will try that one if it backs in stock

[@erdemakaairdamn6439]

Would you recommend me using this with 18x10cm hands Relaxed Claw grip?

[@its_yifang]

It'll be in between relaxed claw/palm for you.

[@erdemakaairdamn6439]

@@its_yifang Hmm i mean i'm relaxed clawing the Dav3 alrdy, i cant use palm grip on any mouse tho 🤣 its just a natural gripstyle its not very relaxed either just normal

[@its_yifang]

@@erdemakaairdamn6439 If you're currently using DAV3 with claw grip, this will be a much better shape for it!

[@Gingercs]

does lamzu thorn have on board memory?

[@Poppaai]

Dav3 or the thorn? I know both mice are not the same

[@its_yifang]

For me, Thorn without a single doubt in my mind.

[@Poppaai]

@@its_yifang do you have the stormbreaker too? I didnt like that mouse it was too small..

[@its_yifang]

@@Poppaai Unfortunately I don't have that, but Thorn is fine for my 21x12 hands.

[@Poppaai]

@@its_yifang cool i have 21.5 x10.5

[@jjdoerig]

just made my pre order after watching this :D

[@its_yifang]

W

[@trayvonClark]

Have you tried the np01s?

[@its_yifang]

I've briefly held it but never actually used it for enough time.

[@cdanny99]

How does it compare to a G703?

[@its_yifang]

Unfortunately not a G703 clone and I'd say it is more or less its own thing. There are similarities but overall nah...

[@thaknopp]

How dose it compare to the XM2we? why is the Thorn better?

[@thaknopp]

btw, love your content! you add so much to the reviewing sphere. Thank you.

[@its_yifang]

Shapes are completely different, tech specs are different. They're very different mice... Why Thorn is better for me may not be better for you!

[@xkashim88x]

really nice review @its_yifang , for tilted pincer claw grip this one or pulsar x2h?

[@its_yifang]

Probably X2h mini or regular x2/X2 mini

[@profoke]

i bought the thorn and the regular lamzu atlantis i palm grip or resting claw sometimes

[@profoke]

idk if i shouild refund the lamzu atlantis

[@its_yifang]

You like thorn better?

[@HeizTony]

How does this compare to a deatheradder v3?

[@its_yifang]

I like this significantly more than the DAV3 and think it is better in pretty much all aspects for my preferences aside from tech specs which are objective...

[@HeizTony]

@its_yifang appreciate the reply man hopefully it restocks soon

[@its_yifang]

@@HeizTony It probably will once they finish their production and actually release the mouse.

[@I3asyl]

Overall does it feel bigger than the ec2? My hands are 20 x 10cm and just worried its abit short n buttons would hang in my relaxed claw. X2h medium is my go too n perfect size atm

[@its_yifang]

This size would be perfect for you.

[@I3asyl]

@@its_yifang Just curious is it still ur main after trying the x2h? I absolutely love the x2h but i know the thorn will bring a slightly diff feel since the hump isnt in the back and more gradual. Also, curious what ur thoughts are on using smaller/thinner mice and getting used to them. I found my micro adjustments are better on the x2h mini but i lose some of that stability and consistency. It's just weird cuz i can feel a higher ceiling with the mini.

[@its_yifang]

@@I3asyl Nay I am back to the HTS+ 4K. I just play the best on that mouse for whatever reason... The higher ceiling is definitely true to an extent, probably why I'm playing so well HTS+ 4K too since I'm at a higher level.

[@I3asyl]

@@its_yifang mhmm im also sure it has to do w spending time on the mouse and getting used to it. Also just mentality and confidence is so important. Thats why u got some val pros using the damn g903 lol. Is the hati S plus bigger than x2h overall? Ive heard great things about it as well

[@I3asyl]

@@its_yifang also by any chance if you decide to sell the thorn plz let me know, its sold out everywhere 😭

[@OneDollaBill]

Any idea on the actual release date?

[@its_yifang]

I believe in a week or so.

[@Netherlag1]

How is the coating on this? I mean I'm asking because I know that the black Atlantis had a more grippy coating than the white one.

[@its_yifang]

This is like a standard mouse coating, the black one has that matte coating. Both are excellent quality.

[@b1bbly]

Would you say it's similar to a G703?

[@its_yifang]

Not exactly

[@adamm-mp4el]

when do they ship?

[@its_yifang]

Probably in a week or so

[@ronald0122]

this or the pulsar xlite v3?

[@its_yifang]

I said in my Xlite V3 video that the Xlite is for more palm/claw relaxed grip while the Thorn is better for claw/aggressive claw.

[@ronald0122]

thanks. i used the g pro x superlight but thats hurts after playing a while. The Dav3 Pro was a good shape but a little too big for me. My hands are 19x10 and don't know what my grip is called. I think it is a combination between palm and claw. My fingers are a little bit bend.@@its_yifang

[@its_yifang]

@@ronald0122 Xlite V3 medium.

[@fpsLyle]

How does it compare to np-01s for claw

[@its_yifang]

This mouse is definitely bigger. I don't have an NP-01s on me to directly compare unfortunately and I have a different grip when I tried the NP-01s, but it also has to do with your hand size. Relaxed claw VS aggressive claw also varies.

[@fpsLyle]

@@its_yifang it seems like this shape could a midpoint between np-01 & np-01s which would fit me perfect for relaxed claw. Excited to try it

[@its_yifang]

@@fpsLyle NP-01 series will have lower profile, I think this would be more similar to an Outset AX than NP-01. It's extremely good for relaxed claw regardless however!

[@EnnTomi1]

kinda bit contrary to what fresh review said. He doesnt like the size being slightly wider and bigger, limits a bit vertical movement. also he doesnt like the clicks, saying too much pre and post travel.

[@its_yifang]

Funny enough I think vertical movement is perfect on this mouse and I love the clicks. Fresh's opinions are... well... sometimes questionable is all I can say 😅

[@jancicruz7]

I'm desperately browsing the internet to find a shop where it's not sold out and actually ships to my country... been waiting for something like this for ages now

[@glashausAimz2]

why dont they make the whole bottom a skate?

[@its_yifang]

Weight...

[@glashausAimz2]

@@its_yifang i am just wondering if this would make a significant difference. maybe the weight would be justified and even if it would cost like 10 grams, on a 50g mouse that still wouldn't make it heavy in my book.

[@its_yifang]

@@glashausAimz2 Update from Lamzu themselves, it was moreso to make it more aesthetic and unique, keeping in theme with "Thorn". They could've made a solid a solid shell without really influencing weight much, but it was also because they wanted the PCB and internals to be visible. They could've made a large solid base and reduced the size of the PCB internally since you wouldn't see it, but because they wanted it to be visible, the PCB is large while the base isn't solid.

[@glashausAimz2]

@@its_yifang i didn't mean to complain about the holes. i had an xlite v2 and no issues with them. i am wondering why no one makes the whole bottom of the mouse a solid PTFE plate/skate and if there would be any advantages in doing so. maybe added stability and a more even feeling on xsoft pads. sometimes i feel like only the left front foot sinks in on my venus pro and it's kinda annoying. i am guessing we will reach soon 40g mice, maybe it would be worthwhile to add this. think of a lower center of gravity.

[@its_yifang]

@@glashausAimz2 I definitely agree with you here in preferring larger skate area. I am also an xsoft pad user and have experienced baseplate scratching on smaller skates... Terrible feeling!

[@OzymandiasMC]

mm731: am i a joke to you

[@its_yifang]

It isn't the same 😢

[@AegisMK1]

NEW FATHER YIFAN MEDIA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

[@its_yifang]

POGGERS

[@DonnyDonnMendoza]

What a review not sure if I’d get one. It’s probably the closest to fit though as even the pulsar xlite and Logitech gpx are too small for me lol

[@Criticalmaze]

If the regular xlite is too small for you then I don’t know whats big enough. Maybe the ninjutsu?

[@its_yifang]

EC1 series, Darmoshark M3, DAV3 is large, and so is the Thorn to be honest. Whether it'll work for your grip, or preferred weight, sensor placement and such, I don't know... All I can say is Thorn is amazing.

[@budgetking2591]

Why dont Lamzu make a wireless lightweight fk2 clone, would be an instant banger.........

[@its_yifang]

Dunno man, but let them cook. Perhaps there will be in the future...

[@Serdepixel]

My dyslexic ass read eroge 💀 anyway, great video!

[@its_yifang]

Aiyo bro has been up to something

[@gothamknightpr9864]

Is the thorn smaller than the razor viper ultimate?

[@its_yifang]

Thorn will feel bigger to actually hold than viper ultimate.

[@gothamknightpr9864]

thank you for the reply!! and ok good to know. i dont have big hands lol so i cant get this one then lol@@its_yifang

[@namenloserflo]

Are you a climber?

[@its_yifang]

No I just go gym

[@hyakkimaru1057]

i need a za13c clone that is wireless and not 150$

[@its_yifang]

Praying on it 🙏 I want a ZA12 or ZA11...

[@budgetking2591]

to tall for me, im loving my ajazz aj199

[@its_yifang]

I needa try one when I can

[@Pistaciio]

GG's Mr. Bing Chilling. Get Lamzoo 2send me a dam maus, plz n thanx

[@its_yifang]

Good luck homie

[@ericdeng9822]

sheesh

[@dr.hannibal8338]

Paid review ?

[@budgetking2591]

he recieved the mouse for free to make the review, its in the video discription.

[@its_yifang]

I wish I got to do paid reviews... Those are so much more worth than relying on KZbin viewer ad count 😢

[@OGSuperDirty]

Its not big enough. The razer dav3 is still better. 119 cm vs 128 cm length and 33 cm height vs 44 cm. The lamzu mouse is made for guys with manlet/effeminate hands.

[@its_yifang]

Bro is trolling 🤣🤣🤣

[@pain2803]

Would you say it's similar to a G403?

[@its_yifang]

Not quite