The Error of Postmillennial Theology | Nathan LeMaster

[@shale9515]

This video should be named “The Vindication of Postmillennial Theology.” I’m sorry but Matthew 24 is a stronghold that, as far as I can tell, simply cannot be touched. I was a Postmill mocking, MacArthurite Dispensationalist that loved eschatology and even taught adult Sunday school 6 months worth of eschatology in the Old & New Testaments and gave a verse by verse exposition of the book of Revelation. I also taught on Matthew 24, so I mention this simply to establish that I was no friend to Postmill theology and was in fact hostile to it. Being later confronted with a preterist reading of Matthew 24 shook me to the core though. I deep dived into Matthew 24 and when all is revealed, there is simply no way around it - in Matthew 24 Jesus absolutely anticipated the events that took place in the first century, culminating in the destruction of the temple which formally ended and put a punctuation mark on the old covenant aion. If you are going to critique Postmillennialism, then it is to your advantage not to make Matthew 24 the linchpin text, because no exegesis that utilizes sound hermeneutics can make it out of that text with their futurism in tact.

[@johnholmes8760]

Absolutely a fact!

[@richpalmer9886]

I am starting to consider the post millennium view. In a post millennium view, we just have the end when the heaven and earth are we created, correct? I am struggling with Christ coming to rule on the earth at some point before the end of time. The main book I hold onto Zachariah 14. That when Yahweh comes to rule on the Earth, people will need to go make sacrifice and Jerusalem to him. Those that do not will not experience rain.

[@DanScott-vb5mf]

Please remember that all Old Testament Scripture was fulfilled in Christ. Read Hebrews; Christ did it all. Once you leave that premise you degrade the Gospel and call Jesus a liar. He is THE FULFILLMENT; not a jot or a tittle will disappear....

[@derrickbledsoe3886]

This is not quite right, in my less that important opinion. While I agree that Matthew 24 does speak to a partial fulfillment in 70 A.D., if one understands both tribulation and the kingdom to be an interadvental period, than it makes clear sense that Jesus is both answering His disciples' questions concerning when the Temple will be destroyed, and also following that with explaining what will happen in a future time. It makes no sense for Jesus to tell them exactly when to expect the destruction of the Temple ("when you see the abomination of desolation") and then also say "but no one knows the time." It makes more sense, to me, that Jesus is speaking of two events: the destruction of the Temple in the first generation, and the parousia at an unknown future date.

[@roxanaswart4917]

Is the background music necessary. It makes it very difficult to actually hear the message.

[@jillgro]

I came here to say the same thing. I thought my kid had turned on music in the other room LOL Why do media people think we need everything set to music?? 🤷‍♀️

[@TMSBLU3]

100% agree...way too overpowering...re do the video and eliminate or reduce the background music please.

[@Die2Self87]

i disagree the music is fine

[@jeffholm3503]

I am a “Post Millennialist” with the caveat that we have been in the millennium since Christ’s ascension. In modern terms it is labeled optimistic amillenialism. Jesus and the NT authors spoke of this age and the age to come. There is but one olive tree consisting of both Jews with gentiles grafted in. Christ is Israel and both Jews and gentiles are one in Him. If the mass conversion of ethnic Israel includes gentiles we could see truly Christian nations. Or it could degrade into the abyss as it seems we are headed. But Chiliasm in any form has too many unintended consequences. Like people in glorified bodies (not given to marriage) living alongside those in mortal bodies (given to marriage), temple sacrifice in the presence of Christ (the final sacrifice), and many speculations that are not worth our time. My faith is in Christ Jesus and His Church. We win one way or another. So I will stick with the theology of the Puritans and look Yahweh praying “Thy Kingdom come”.

[@thomasberar4311]

I respectfully disagree. I love you guys and you helped me grow and continue to grow coming from a Charismatic Pentecostal Church. I know I can’t change peoples minds in a comment but I thought I’d share some ideas. Quick regards to Matthew 24. Jesus sandwiched the temple destruction, tribulation, the coming of the son of man in two sentences that they would not pass away. I believe Jesus to be held to the standard of the prophet in Deuteronomy 18. He did not make a mistake saying that. Reference Isaiah 13, and 19 for understanding of language used. For Postmill, Jesus is reigning now in Psalm 110 and Daniel 7, and that he will not grow weary until He has established justice and order in the nations. In regards to us wanting to push the gospel out, it’s in God’s sovereign control and not ours. We can’t control anything, God is in control. Things may look like they are pretty bad right now, but I speculate it is a sign of judgement for our current generation with the watering down of the gospel. The truth will stand. Jesus will win. I mean it doesn’t really matter who is right or wrong these are not essential truths but it is good to discuss this between believers. Love you guys! Keep it up.

[@ritastevenson5639]

I agree. I think premils tend to strawman the postmil/theonomy group A LOT. In the end, we all have the same goal and same commission of growing the kingdom as we are commanded to do, knowing that all results are a work of the Spirit and not of our own efforts apart from Christ. All glory to God!

[@RockyTop85]

If you both can’t see over time, how things continue to grow worse and worse, I really don’t know what will convince of the errors of Postmillinialism

[@rickmelhuish1602]

We need Christ to return to make things right. Simple as that. He doesn't need us...we need Him.

[@jetfox123able]

@@RockyTop85two things, you do news paper exegesis not proper bible exegesis looking at the promises of the success of Christ’s kingdom on earth places like Isaiah 11:9 Matthew 5:5. Next the post mill isn’t simply wishful thinking we believe that Christian are going to experience suffering but compared to the last 500-1000 years Christ’s kingdom has progressed world missions has expanded. The gospel is available to most people anywhere online. There’s been an over saturation of great solid biblical teachers over the years like this channel. Not only that the post mill looks forward to the future so the time we live in now may be grim but who’s to say there will be great revivals by the Spirit in the future.

[@jetfox123able]

@@rickmelhuish1602 The post mill view does not believe it is simply man’s effort that victory is won. It is through the preaching of the gospel the Spirit turning men to Christ and thus causing cultural reforms when men come under the Lordship of Jesus.

[@brandonl.underwood6264]

"Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled." - Matthew 24:34 A natural reading of the text (if you continue past what he quotes here) leads one to believe that everything Christ describes would take place before "This generation" - i.e., the generation of those whom Jesus was speaking to, passes away. Postmillenialists are not trying to force this text to work with their eschatology; on the contrary, this is a key text in rightly discerning the prophesy of scripture, in particular the book of Revelation.

[@brandonl.underwood6264]

​@@YourHeartIsAGrave Brother, that's far from a natural reading of the text. But even if I granted that might be a possible interpretation, there are other verses where Jesus seems to clearly predict His return in the same generation as the disciples He was speaking to. Matt. 10:23 - But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come. Matt 16:28 - Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom. A good resource to see this perspective fleshed out by a far superior theologian than myself can be found here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pGOVfoWXZbVplas

[@pastormattbell]

@@brandonl.underwood6264 Both of those happened. Jesus is not a false prophet.

[@indigatorveritatis8891]

@@brandonl.underwood6264 Prophets spoke to and about future generations. The idea that it all has happened based on that one verse doesn't work

[@spiritman-em4qr]

I like to focus on living a holy life that glorifies God. I don't get bound up in eschatological arguments, especially since they often lead to division and disunity in the body of Christ.

[@vanessap7209]

Agreed. These differences in eschatological views are not salvific.

[@MeanBeanComedy]

They do have real-world implications. Much of the retreat from the culture has been caused by dispensationalism.

[@RockyTop85]

@@MeanBeanComedyfalse

[@gsp8489]

​@@RockyTop85No, TRUE......see how worthless that type of comment is?

[@blank-964]

This is a misrepresentation of how Matthew 24 is read by postmil. It’s not because of their optimism but rather because the language being used is apocalyptic and is found elsewhere in the Old Testament. It’s not literal in the sense that massive solar bodies (stars many times the size of earth) will fall to earth. Rather it’s like saying “ I will rip you limb from limb” and occurs in like fashion in the OT.

[@kevinevans8892]

He seems to be conflating postmillennialism with partial Preteristism. Even Premill scholars like George Eldon Ladd interpreted Revelation Preteristically

[@AllforOne_OneforAll1689]

You have to be partial preterist for postmil to work so no he is not wrong to make that association.

[@anthonyg5055]

“Truly, I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place.” ‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24‬:‭34‬ ‭ESV‬‬ Well, the natural reading says all of these things took place already to that generation.

[@jdp6660]

Thats the generation after Christ"" _ Post view is completely debunked by revelations. There is NO historical evidence of such chaos happening as per revelation... I mean has ALL the living creatures in the see died in one Go?? not a chance...

[@levifig]

Grew up Dispensational Premillennialist, but have been growing in my study of Scripture and swaying into more of Reformed, Covenantal view of Scripture. As such, I started considering my eschatology as well. But one thing I can't for the life of me see in Scripture is a Postmillennialist view of the future. Even if 1-2 passages seem to hint at it, it's hard to look at the whole of Scripture and see that…

[@BibleSwan]

Well, I grew up with both Dispensational and Covenantal influences, but in my case I have swayed into more of a Dispensational Premill kind of eschatological understanding. And even though I no longer hold any Covenantal view of Scripture as you do, we both accurately agree on what you wrote: I neither can see in Scripture any trace of proof for any kind of Postmillennialism.

[@RyanMcCoppin]

You should read a book. May I suggest, "An Eschatology of Victory" By Marcellus Kik?

[@BibleSwan]

I suppose Kik was whether a postmill or an amill. I say that because I think he was a Reformed theologian and the book you recommend was posthumously published by Presbyterians. Could yo tell me about his specific perspectives on Escathology? Maybe also explain why is it that you think such book is worth the reading. Thanks!

[@ryangallmeier6647]

As a staunch, 5-point Calvinist (Reformed Baptist), I can say that the Reformation and the Eschatology that came from it, was neither Preteristic nor Futuristic. Preterism and Futurism were both systematized by the Jesuits as a part of the Counter Reformation of the Papacy. The Reformers were HISTORICISTS. Regarding the Millennium: some were Amillennialists; others were Historic Premillennialists. I myself, hold the Heavenly Premillennial view.

[@BibleSwan]

Premillennial escathology doesn't have its genesis with Manuel Lacunza 'et al' if that's what you are saying. For the rest of your message, I don't really understand how does it help the conversation. I mean, good for you if you are blessed and confident with your understanding about such matter.

[@jordanmattievisuals]

With all due respect, I don't think you did a fair job at presenting any "error" in the postmillennial position. The closest you came to stating an error was what you said at @4:47 about postmillennialists taking Matthew 24 to be speaking of the destruction of Jerusalem in 70AD. Frankly, it is a misrepresentation of the position to say that postmills place Matthew 24 in 70AD because it doesn't fit well with their view of the world getting better and better. The actual reason postmills place Mattew 24 in 70AD is because of what the text explicitly says. Jesus was clearly speaking to the disciples who were standing right in front of him, as can be seen in His references to 1st century Jewish culture, not to mention the fact that He is describing a local judgement that can be escaped on foot by running to the hills. However, the nail in the coffin is verse 34 which says that "all of these things will take place before this generation passes away". The fact is that postmills base their view on a fuller understanding of what the scriptures teach (Old and New Testament), not just based on a select number of "eschatology passages" in the New Testament. I understand that you have genuine reasons for holding to a different position but I think it is disingenuous to title a video "The Error of Postmillennial Theology" and then base that error primarily on the comments you made at @4:47. Personally, I think a better approach would be accurately present the postmillennial arguments (as a postmill would state them) and then show biblically, why you believe the arguments don't hold up. Blessings and thanks your work!

[@ShawHortonMusic]

The natural reading of Matthew 24 leads me to believe all of those events (at least up to verse 34) were fulfilled within the lifespan of the generation to whom Jesus was speaking. Another key passage for postmillennialism is 1 Corinthians 15. Paul says that Christ must reign UNTIL all enemies have been made his footstool, with the last enemy to be destroyed being death itself. Then, only after all enemies have been subjected to him, will Christ hand the Kingdom over to the Father.

[@jonathonmyers1587]

Matthew 24 is not about the Second Coming, but rather about Christ coming in wrath against Jerusalem. The context for Matt 24 is chapter 23; note 24 begins with Christ and the disciples coming out of the Temple just after Christ excoriates the Sanhedrin. Then to His disciples he tells them the Temple will be destroyed; later, His disciples go to Him and aske "when will these things be?" clearly referring back to the destruction of the Temple and Christ then gives them the signs they need to look for and these things will happen in "their generation" (their, being the disciples because they were the only ones present when he was telling them). He then tells them no one the exact moment but that it will be as in the days of Noah ... It was the followers of God who were left behind, and the evil ones who were swept away. Similarly, when the Temple was destroyed in 70 AD, Josephus tells us no Christians were in the city. Matt 12: 29 "...how can someone enter a strong man's house and plunder his goods, unless he first binds the strong man?" Who is the "strong man?" In context of verses 22 through 28, the strongman can only be Beelzebul ... Satan. And Christ is telling us He is plundering Satan's home ... ergo, Christ is telling us in verse 29 that He has bound Satan. The process of binding Satan began with Christ's victory over him in the desert when Satan tempted Christ but Christ did not fall. The head of the serpent was crushed when Christ accepted the cross and was risen three days later. Matt 28 tells us "all authority in Heaven and on Earth has been given to Him" ... Christ is reigning now, and Satan is bound.

[@wethefree-alberta]

Thank you for this simple breakdown. I would just like to add- the backround noise (music) is very distracting 😵‍💫

[@Toyboughtdave]

I would like to second the background noise is very distracting. What is being shared is awesome - it just hard to focus on it with the noise.

[@leaterry1504]

The music is very distracting. Very.

[@JesseCamera]

I love most the work that FTG does when it comes to bringing clarity to matter of the Holy Spirit and charismatic issues, but when it comes to eschatology, they’re way off. Here Nathan is giving a less than accurate presentation of Postmillennialism and completely reads Matthew 24 out of context. Worst of all, Costi, if not all the speakers at FTG, hold to dispensationalism: an utterly indefensible view of Scripture. It divides the body, it divides the word of God and it’s a new theology which should immediately tell you how false it is.

[@jamesascott7040]

Matthew 24 is fulfilled within that generation...as Jesus said....it is less reasonable to conclude that it is refering to the last days of the last days.

[@johnstewart4350]

HISTORICISM IS FALSE DOCTRINE

[@kevinevans8892]

True. Partial Preteristism is a better hermeneutical framework in understanding the Olivet Discourse

[@eltonron1558]

Small problem. Mathew 24, he is asked about the end. You may think it came then, or that the end, is something else. 1 Corinthians 15, uses the word "end", in respect to when Christ delivers up the kingdom, thus, the END was not fulfilled in Mathew times, but yet. 1 Corinthians 15:22-25 On top of that, CURRENTLY, the gospel is not that taught by Christ, in Mathew, or Mark 1:14-15. Until the gospel according to Christ is preached, there will be no end.

[@ryangallmeier6647]

@@kevinevans8892 I disagree. See the parallel in Lk. 17; not Lk. 21 (which Preterists always go to), but Lk. 17. Clearly, in Lk. 17, Jesus is speaking about His own 2nd Advent; not the temple destruction of 70 AD. Mt. 24 is a combined prophecy: 2 questions are being asked of Jesus: 1). When will the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple take place? And, 2). when will the 2nd Advent take place? Dispensational Futurists are wrong to assert that Mt 24 is ONLY talking about the [mythical] 7 year period of Tribulation. Preterists are wrong to assert that Mt. 24 is ONLY talking about the Templed destruction (70 AD). As I've always said, 'anyone who begins study of Bible prophecy with Mt. 24 immediately loses all credibility with thinking Christians.'. Scripture doesn't begin at Mt. 24 when discussing Prophecy, and neither should we. Questions? Let me know. *Soli Deo Gloria*

[@edwardwalsh5477]

@@eltonron1558 That preaching (the Gospel of Christ/the Kingdom) will be part of the tribulation and accomplished by 244,000 Jewish evangelists not Jehovah's witnesses.

[@jjd1983]

Hmmm. There is certainly decline not influence of the current church, but verse 34 does make the text appear past, not future. Love the channel! We can always agree to disagree and still spend eternity together.

[@JosephGuth]

Nathan, you have already heard it. But I'll say it again. This generation shall not pass away until all these things be fulfilled...

[@thecatalysm5658]

Postmillenialism helps me wake up in the morning and say to myself "there is hope". Not just hope that I can reach a few people here and there, but that there is actual hope of transforming community and culture. The Catalysm of the Kingdom of Heaven was written as a unifying ( and quite orthodox ) creed for Christians. The creed is written from the perspective that our perfection of Christian doctrine could be a catalyst for the transformation of the world. Such a post-millenial view is empowering and freeing (the creed, however, doesn't insist on a certain eschatological approach). I see people everywhere being good to each other, giving each other hugs, helping each other out, and just giving each other random fist bumps (many of whom barely know each other) Somehow, the spread of the 'fist bump movement' tells me, by itself, that people all over the world want to connect and be kind to each other. I also believe that through creeds that seek to perfect the faith, like the one I wrote, Christians all over the world are going to start shedding doctrines that are inessential and divisive. And don't assume that this means I think moral precepts should be abandoned to accomplish this. The creed God moved me to write makes a strong case for the individual Christian priesthood and calls for a renewed appreciation of the importance of worship (which is not to be confused with exultant praise). Worship is literally THE prostrate honoring of God. The creed descibes a prayer called the Intimys which is, in seven important ways, different from Islamic salah. There are so many things Islamic prayer does that a Christian should not and does not have to do. Yet, I fear that Christian leaders are afraid to endorse it too strongly because we think it is somehow Muslim-like to regularly pray in a prostrate manner. The one hundred page pdf is available for free at the end of the book description at Amazon if you want to give it a look. Just think how powerful and transforming a perfected church could be to this world. It has been just over five hundred years since Martin Luther was excommunicated. It is time for a transformational shift in the church. We need to be looking for transformational unifying agents that are Scriptural whether the creed God gave me has anything to do with it or not. And no, I have no connection to the NAR movement whatsoever. No thanks. It's not a problem to create a creed, it's only a problem if it goes against Scripture. Oh weird, I just realized that I started writing it 500 years and nine months after Luther was excommunicated in January of 1521. Now that's cool.

[@oscarfabi_]

This seems a little weird to be honest, I think the regular expository preaching of the Word of God and reverence of Him and viewing Him as Holy and us as sinful (in desperate need of Christ all days), is sufficient for the Church body.

[@thecatalysm5658]

@oscarfabi_ ​ That's fine - I know it is different - it is what it is. But without a strong unifying creed - with everyone trying to make sense of the Bible on their own, we have chaos and the continuance of the elite priesthood. My experience within Protestantism is that doctrines are continually shifting and there will never be much agreement in doctrine so long as everyone is constantly bouncing back and forth theologically based on which preacher or church they have been listening to for the past few months / years. It's a mess. BTW, did I post the pdf of the creed, you read it, and it has been removed, or are you just reacting to what I said above? It's fine if it was removed, just wondering. And no matter how weird it looks with a quick glance, it addresses with orthodoxy so many doctrinal questions, but it also provides very practical guidance for life. I wish I had understood all of its precepts as a teenager.

[@luboshcamber1992]

@thecatalysm5658 If Christ is not gonna make it for you every morning "there's a hope" in hard times Postmillenialism won't do it for you. If you need some eschatological system to give you hope, you need to examine yourself.

[@thecatalysm5658]

@luboshcamber1992 Yeah, that was a few months ago. Eschatology isn't a difference maker for me on my faith and hope. But I, for sure, don't get wrapped up in signs of His emminent return. Point taken.

[@kesley.]

Agreed. I keep thinking of this verse which seems to cancel out post millennialism- “Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.” Matthew 7:14 If things are only going to get better and most people get saved, why does Jesus say this?

[@RyanMcCoppin]

The first century, Jewish audience that were blamed for killing the Messiah is not exactly the same group as Christians living thousands of years in the future. Similarly, Matthew 23 was speaking to the pharisees of the 1st century, not to Jews thousands of years into the future. Context and audience matter.

[@kesley.]

@@RyanMcCoppin Context is important, that is true. Yet I find it compelling to view Jesus' words as applicable beyond just first-century audiences. His emphasis on the difficulty of the path to life seems to convey a universal truth. But there's a lot I am still to learn. 🙂

[@TMSBLU3]

This scripture and the understanding of its context is key...is Jesus referring ONLY to the Jews/Hebrews at that time? Or is He making a general statement that there will be few believers OVERALL? I have to admit I took it to mean overall...but I will do a deeper dive in my own study time. This is a key verse understanding that can unlock how to rightly divide and interpret this verse 🙏🏽

[@brettmagnuson8318]

Remember gods promise to Abraham. How vast will his spiritual descendants be?

[@michaelmatejka1068]

Matthew 7:13-14, Luke 13:22-30 Strive to enter the Narrow Gate… These passages are often used to combat and even disregard Postmillenialism. The belief that the Great Commission given us by Jesus will actually be fulfilled. That the nations will be baptized and taught to follow Christ. ”“Enter by the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the way is easy that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few.“ ‭‭Matthew‬ ‭7‬:‭13‬-‭14‬ ESV Jesus first commands us to enter by the narrow gate. This is a command from Him, Christ is the narrow gate. The other gate is wide and many will enter is and perish. Those who find true life will be few. Simple and straightforward. The question we have to ask ourselves is this, is this parable speaking for all time or to a particular people and context? A number of other times in this passage Jesus warns his disciples and those listening that many will think they are saved and they won’t be. There will be wolves in sheep clothing. I think it’s important to mention that his audience at this time is all Jewish. Christ is preaching the news of the Kingdom of God. So when we come to chapter 8, we see another picture being painted. Next to this image that not many will find the way through the narrow gate we have another image of all the nations flooding to the Kingdom. The faith of the centurion… Matthew 8:5-13 After the centurion amazed Jesus with his faith this is what Jesus said…

[@FabledNarrative]

One question: "As of 2024, are we still in the early church?" Every generation has thought that they were the last generation or nearing the end. But what if the Church is still in its infancy? This changes how we look at our future and the legacy that we leave for the next generation.

[@ronsirard]

Yes I am a post mail and Matt 24 has already happened in 70 AD!

[@ronsirard]

@HeShallReign yes Jesus came in power and glory in judgement as written in the OT and just like God did in the OT. He also said that All these things would take place in this generation and other verses of imminent urgency and soon timing (not some futuristic generation or people or events). So, HE brought salvation and then brought judgement and used Rome as His instrument to carry out his wrath on the covenant breakers in 70AD! So Jesus did exactly as he said he would do he is the perfect prophet! Take the futurist view and as many atheists and agnostic sites point Jesus is a false prophet.

[@hondotheology]

POSTMILLLLLLLLL REPRESENT _every knee will bow every tongue confess_

[@esdrassalgado8850]

@@InDaDeafBushwe did, but he left out “Truly, I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place.” ‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24‬:‭34‬ ‭ESV‬‬ Which means those things already happened. Unless you can find a way around this text I don’t see how what Jesus described already passed.

[@VinneyD]

@@esdrassalgado8850Jesus said learn the parable of the fig tree when his branch is yet tender & puts forth leaves leaves , ye know that summer is nigh: So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors. Verily I say unto you, THIS(the one Jesus was just talking ab) generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

[@VinneyD]

@@esdrassalgado8850the generation that sees all the things Jesus was talking ab will not pass he wasn’t talking ab the disciples generation

[@Ironworthstriking]

@@VinneyDthere’s no hermeneutical reason to believe that.

[@PavleBujanovicSenior]

Question: Where is Christ while his enemies are being put under his feet? Answer: see Psalm 110:1 Question: What is God's favorite OT verse? Answer: Judging by how many times the NT quotes it, it would be Psalm 110:1. Almost as if God really wants us to understand where Jesus is while all his enemies are being put under his feet.

[@zachhiebert7926]

I thought this video was very well put together and graciously done! I would respectfully disagree with the center points to post-mill, for example saying "a plain reading of the text points to the decline of the world" is not a strong enough argument. For example, Revelation is self-aware of its exaggerative language like how in Revelation 1 John originally describes seeing seven golden lampstands and then later on in the passage Christ explains the meaning of them "he seven stars are the angels[a] of the seven churches, and the seven lampstands are the seven churches", so I don't think a plain reading of seven golden lampstands would lead you to believe they where churches, theirs clearly already examples of exaggerative apocalyptic literature. Furthermore previous prohectic passages like Daniel have prohcies of the rising and falling of the 4 kingdoms, but in Daniel, they were described as great statues, once again not so plain and literal. Also if you say it has to be read plainly then other parts of revelation will fight against a futurist view like for example the first verse saying these things must soon take place.

[@Contra_Chaos]

Your contention that "there's no place in postmil theology for Matthew 24" is exactly backwards. Reference Matthew 24:34 for the timeline. There's no good place in premil theology for Matthew 24:34, so they stick the chapter in the future, where anything can happen, instead of when it did actually happen in 70 AD, like Jesus said it would.

[@gregmcray]

Except that it didn't happen. Virtually nothing Jesus says in Matthew 24:3-33 has occurred in any fashion resembling his description. Rome wrecked the place in AD 70 and destroyed the Temple completely just as Jesus describes in Matthew 24:1-2. But the discourse that follows is a different conversation, but a continuation of the idea. Unless you're prepared to say Jesus exaggerates a lot, there is simply no comparison between His apocalyptic description and what actually happened. He didn't return. His elect wasn't gathered. It wasn't a conflict that even remotely compares to the horrors of both World Wars in scope. I'm a Reformed, Covenant theology believer, but cannot for the life of me understand the disconnect over Matthew 24. Post-mills are eager to say the 1,000 years is figurative, but pin everything on a literal interpretation of Matthew 24:34. It makes for a far better hermeneutic to say that verses 3-33 are literal and that "this generation" refers to the church age.

[@ryangallmeier6647]

The Scriptures don't start a discussion of Prophecy with Mt. 24, and neither should we. The Prophetic Template begins in Dan. 2, and the parallel in Dan. 7 (Dan. 7 is the first place in Scripture where the "Antichrist" is talked about; aka. the "little horn," which began after the Fall of the Roman Empire, and continued for 1,260 literal YEARS before receiving a "deadly wound," which has been healing ever since). Start there, and we won't have these kinds of problems.

[@josephwilson6599]

First and foremost I love you guys and your ministry. You all have been a huge blessing to me. But, this has to be the worst exposition of Matthew 24 I have ever heard. First of all it must be understood in the context of verses 1-3. In those verses the disciples were pointing out the temple and the buildings. Jesus responded not one stone will be left on another. Verse 3 the disciples ask when will this happen and what will be the sign of your coming and the end of age? Age meaning old testament Jewish age. That leads us into all the things Jesus said was going to take place all the way to verse 34 which you conveniently skipped over that says "truly I tell you, this generation will not pass until all these things have happened." Any interpretation of Matthew 24 and the synoptics that cover the same topic i.e. Mark 13 and Luke 21 that comes to a different conclusion in my humble opinion is poor handling of the scriptures. Again, I love you guys but I greatly disagree with you in this area.

[@rongroth]

In your explanation of premillennialism, you confuse it with dispensationalism. Today the majority of premillennialists are dispenasationalists, but historically dispensationalism did not begin to be taught until 1830 with John Nelson Darby. It was popularized first by the Bible study movement of the late 1800s and then by the Scofield Reference Bible in the early 20th century. But, not all premillennaiists are dispensational. You mention a 7 year tribulation prior to the premillennial return of Christ. This is only found in dispensationalism.

[@gsp8489]

What do you mean by a "natural" reading of the text? I think a NATURAL reading of the text would mean how readers or listeners 2000 years ago would have naturally understood apocalyptic literature in the Bible..... How many nations in the Old testament had the "Sun and Moon darkened" and experienced a "day of the Lord" or "coming of the Lord" during their judgement? Jesus said things in Mat 23 like "oh Jerusalem Jerusalem how I wish to gather you like a hen gathers her chicks but you would not have it. See that your house is desolate." And then IMMEDIATELY goes into the Mat 24 and says that these things will happen within that generation's lifetime and then within a generation Jerusalem is totally and utterly destroyed and the temple is completely knocked down and the old ways and sacrificial system of Judaism are never practiced again.... But in your system Jesus was referring to the end of the world and the Bible made absolutely no mention of the destruction of the Jewish system in Jerusalem.....not one prophecy about that?? Weird......

[@leonardoehrenstein9978]

The natural reading of the text? Does that also apply when Jesus is directly responding to the disciples question about the literal temple? Or how about the fact that they ask about the end of the age and not end of the world? Or even better…. How about the part where Jesus says that that generation would not pass away until all the things you mentioned in this video were fulfilled. Let me guess, those aren’t supposed to be read naturally right?

[@jpughinreallife]

I’m not a post millennialist, however, I would argue that Matthew 24 has already happened. To the known world at the time, tribulations came upon the early Christians like nothing we’ve ever seen before on such a large scale.

[@rongroth]

You talk about a natural reading of the text of Matthew 24 as supporting the idea that there will be a future tribulation and you dismiss the idea that the events of Matthew 24 portend the destruction of Jerusalem and the Jewish Temple. Yet, Matthew 24 and the parallel passages in Luke 21 and Mark 13 are Jesus answer to the questions His disciples asked, when He had told them that not one stone in the great Temple buildings would be left upon another. They were incredulous because the Temple was so majestic and a marvelous structure. It was the centerpiece of the Jewish religion of Jesus’ day and contributed to their belief that God’s Messiah would finally come to destroy the Romans and the rest of the Gentile nations, and re-establish the throne of David, with Israel at the head of the nations. In other words, a political Messiah who would rule with a rod of iron. When the disciples asked, Jesus did not tell them about events that would happen more than 2000 years in the future. That would not be an answer that would be helpful, or indeed, an answer at all. No. Jesus explained that the Old Covenant system of shadows, which the sacrifices and the Temple represented, would soon be overthrown. There would be a New Covenant where the shadows of the heavenly things would be replaced and the promises of Jeremiah and Ezekiel that the Law of God would be written on the hearts of God’s people, would finally be fulfilled. Your statement that Matthew 24 is not a big part of postmillennialism is simply not true; I suppose, because you haven’t read many postmillennial authors. The destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple was an enormous historic event, because it marked the end of Old Testament Judaism. The Judaism of today, rabbinical, Talmudic Judaism, is nothing like the Old Testament. They have no sacrifices because they have no priesthood and they have no Temple. The book of Hebrews goes into extensive detail regarding the passing away of the shadows. Christianity would never have become a world religion, open to all the nations, if the old system had not been destroyed. It was destroyed in God’s judgment against a people who rejected God’s Messiah. See Matthew 23 where seven woes are pronounced against the religious leaders, culminating in Jesus statement regarding their house (the Temple), ““O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the city that kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to it! How often would I have gathered your children together as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, and you were not willing! See, your house is left to you desolate.’”” ‭‭Matthew‬ ‭23‬:‭37‬-‭38 ‭ESV‬‬

[@nathanieltoci6349]

This is perhaps the worst representation of Post-mil thought that I have ever heard. Matthew 24 is most certainly NOT referring to the end of the world. Just a cursory reading of the entire chapter in Greek with a special attention to the words translated as "the end" or "age" very clearly demonstrates this. But you don't even need to go that deep into the Greek. If you understand how to apply logic when interpreting Scripture, you would see in the English that Jesus' entire monologue is predicated upon a question from His disciples. THEIR question was asked in reference to HIS claim that the temple would be destroyed, and He later assured them that they would most certainly NOT DIE until THEY saw everything He described take place. "For the Gospel" and other viewers: please read your Bible more carefully.

[@cameronbond7745]

I really like this channel unlike others are already saying in the comments I don't think scatology is something to get fractured about but because of the context of that piece of scripture we have to conclude that he was referring to events that would take place in 70 AD (that's the date of understanding anyways )because he begins by stating that what he's referring to is the destruction of the Temple in concludes that these things would come upon degeneration he was speaking to that being said there's much more to say about the interpretation of Matthew 24 and the Book of Revelation but you must interpret it in context of the rest of scripture and I think the topic of eschatology can often be very confusing for your average believer and it would rather not delve into it in most cases but I do think it's fun who are interested to discuss it so long is it civil and light-hearted and not an angry argument😊

[@ryangallmeier6647]

5 Views of the Millennium of Rev. 20: 1). Amillennialism 2). Postmillennialism 3). Historic Premillennialism 4). Dispensational Premillennialism 5). Heavenly Premillennialism. 1 & 2 say that Christ will return (2nd Advent) at the End of the Millennium. 3-5 say that the 2nd Advent of Christ is what precedes the Millennium. Pretty simple. Questions? Let me know. *Soli Deo Gloria*

[@greggbrown5195]

I think a natural reading of the text, you would have to conclude it all happened in that generation not some future generation…

[@jdp6660]

aaaa yes '' and all the living creatures died in the see as per revelation in that generation also., and then just came back magically again... the evidence of history proves that there has not been chaos yet as described in the book of revelation....

[@USAinPhillipineProvince]

So John AND JESUS are false prophets?????

[@washedclay]

Very much incorrect. To say postmils believe Matt24 has been fulfilled because it doesn’t have a place in their theology is by far the biggest lie in this video. Yes a lie, a lie because it’s 2023 and you should know what postmils believe by now. I mean all you’d need to do is read a commentary or sermons on KZbin, that’s if you were actually wanting to represent a position correctly. Matt24 has been fulfilled because Christ is the true prophet, He didn’t lie, like the premil view implies (even though their inconsistencies won’t allow them to see that) Christ came in judgement, He said He would within that generation and He did, an exact biblical generation later. In Matt16, Christ said some of His disciples wouldn’t taste death until they saw His coming. In Matt10 Christ said to His disciples that they wouldn’t even get through preaching to all the land of Israel before the Son of Man comes. There’s no way around that unless you twist scripture to suit an eschatological position, which sadly, dispys love to do. Seriously bud, do better next time. This was the biggest lie.

[@ericjustice7661]

"A natural reading of the text points to the decline of the world..." WHAT? Psalm 110:1 is the most quoted verse in the new testament: "The Lord said to my Lord: Sit at My right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet." Where is Jesus? - the right hand of the father. What must happen while he is there according to this? - all of his enemies will be made footstools. Sorry, but your math aint mathin.

[@trapntan8080]

So why don't you cite the next 3 verses of Mat 24? Jesus said when YOU see these things, and that THIS generation shall not pass away until ALL these things take place. Moreover, Peter tells us in Acts 2 that prophecy of Joel was fulfilled. This. Is. That. Is what he says.

[@robertthifault4080]

It's not pessimistic though, it's the good news.

[@SaltyCalvinist]

Natural reading as long as you ignore everything in chapter 23 that leads up to the disciples asking about the sign of Christ's coming.

[@alexisribeiro2611]

I watched the video expecting to find what is the Postmillennial error, and it was disappointing as what I found was someone's personal opinion being expressed without biblical exegesis. 😢

[@turtleshavetoes3]

It’s easy to dismiss a view you don’t know how to represent. I have yet to hear a Dispensational Premil properly represent, which is very unfortunate. Please inform people of the best arguments on all sides. For anyone unsure what the Postmil position actually is, listen to Jeff Durbin, RC Sproul, or James White exegete key passages like Daniel 9 or Matthew 24

[@edwardwalsh5477]

" key passages like Daniel 9 or Matthew 24" Anyone who bases his understanding of church events on passages that preceded Paul's letters is firmly founded in mid-air since the church was "hidden" from Israel until Paul. So read him.

[@user-bt6hh9yu1n]

Skip the background noise

[@michaelmatejka1068]

Matthew 24:34, “Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until ALL THESE THINGS take place.” The generation He was talking to. That’s a pretty natural reading of the text 🤷‍♂️

[@rocketmanshawn]

Matthew 24 up until verse 35 has already happened.The church escaped the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple by fleeing to Pella. The warnings in the Olivet Discourse and local prophesy were heeded. The benefit of this understanding is that everybody gets to tell me I'm wrong; Those who think it's all past (post mill), and those who think it's all future (pre mill).

[@andrewwalkerscotland]

Music is so annoying, couldn't really hear what he was saying

[@jetfox123able]

With all due respect but this was kinda straw manning. Partial Preterism is how the Postmillennial interprets Matthew 24. Meaning these things past in the Generation of Christ. “Truly, I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place.” (Matthew 24:34, ESV) Everything from church persecution, to wars and rumours of wars to earthquakes and calamities had to have taken place in that specific generation. Language like the abomination of desolation and coming on the clouds and stars falling is him using language from Daniel and Isaiah and other prophets to illustrate God’s judgment on Israel. And it took place as it did seeing its fulfillment in the destruction of the temple in 70 AD . An honest look at church history and the Old Testament prophets as well as cross referencing to Luke would really show this.

[@sansomcaleb]

Postmillennialits don't put the first half of Matthew 24 in the 1st century because it doesn't fit their view of the future. They put it in the first century because Jesus said, "this generation shall not pass until all these things have taken place." Also the first and last paragraph of Revelation make it undeniably clear those events save the last two chapters (21,22) took place in the first century.

[@ryangallmeier6647]

I think you're confusing Postmillennialism with Preterism.

[@troysgt]

@@ryangallmeier6647postmill is a partial preterist view. It’s not a confusion.

[@ryangallmeier6647]

@@troysgt Was Jonathan Edwards (1703-1758) Postmil.? Yep. Was Jonathan Edwards a Partial Preterist? Nope. Not in any way, shape, or form. Edwards ("America's Calvin") was an Historicist...like me.

[@jamiemoody5615]

For the gospel you should talk about accept Jesus tomorrow because there are pastors that tell people to accept Jesus

[@carolberubee]

Excellent video. Thank you, Nathan and FTG.

[@docbrown7513]

Just read the text and don't get hung on the thousand part. A mile is a thousand paces of a roman legion. This is actually what most people consider two steps (left step right step, 1 pace). This is not how it is used today or that most modern people would understand it. The problem with the premillennialist rapture is the myriad of versus that proclaim Christ as king and his defeat of death by the cross. This is the same thing going on in Revelation 20, a colloquial phrase is being used to describe a new temporary empire on earth, with Christ as king, that is rising up just as Daniel prophesied. This empire will persist for a time, until Christ returns to judge the living and the dead. At the culmination of the growth of Christ's empire, it will be the 'end of this age' and he will reveal himself again from heaven. To say it another way, 'a thousand years' is a colloquial expression for the longevity of an earthly empire... which is exactly how it is used. Rome liked to count in thousands to express a big number, but within comprehension. They counted armies rounded to thousands, they built for a thousand years, they measured in thousands, and today we still use the comma in the thousands place and count in thousands (million, billion, trillion, quadrillion...). It's really not difficult or esoteric unless your a professional preacher trying to make everyone feel inadequate to comprehend their Bible. Mile is used 4 times in the NT and it never refers to an exact distance. So if someone asks you to go a mile with them, go two. Similarly if the length of mans memory is a thousand years accurate and this corresponds to the longevity of an empire... do not be surprised that until He returns it is not exactly 1000 years.... because more often than not it just meant a large countable lot that is not beyond comprehension (unless it says exactly 1000, I can't find a single classic source where 1000 ment exactly 1000 unless by definition).

[@truthtransistorradio6716]

Pre-Mill is actually more optimistic about what occurs before the final judgement than Post-mill!

[@saracarrr]

Cut the bg music. Totally sucks. Ruins the video. Couldn't watch it. Sad.

[@cameronbond7745]

Sorry there's some typos in there I used speech to text so just read it with that in mind and you should be able to put the pieces back together LOL

[@TheMudSlinger]

Would anyone with a postmillennial view or even the question in mind to EVER say, "When the Son of Man returns, will He find faith on the earth?". Clearly and honestly, one would have to say no.

[@ryanhart3159]

Matthew:24, Luke:21, Mark:13 are all talking about that 1st Century generation and Jesus’ Judgement on Jerusalem. It is a local judgement not worldwide judgement. Also I you say you hold to the above passages being future and talking about the 2nd Coming but now you have just caused Jesus to be a false prophet because the Atheist’s say see he did not return so he lied about his return. However he did not lie at all, because he came in judgement on the covenant breaking Jews and destroyed the Temple and their whole system of worship and the end of the age is the end of the Old Covenant age. Now both Jew and Gentiles (all the world) can repent come to Christ through the Cross. We are all one in Christ, we are all Jews inwardly that have repented and turned to trust in Christ alone. There is neither Hew or Greek, slave or free, male or female but all one in Christ. Heirs according to the promise and offspring of Abraham:) We are of the Jerusalem from above and the Israel of God!!!🙏❤️. “For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise.” ‭‭((Galatians‬ ‭3‬:‭27‬-‭29‬ ‭ESV‬‬)) “For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by a slave woman and one by a free woman. But the son of the slave was born according to the flesh, while the son of the free woman was born through promise. Now this may be interpreted allegorically: these women are two covenants. One is from Mount Sinai, bearing children for slavery; she is Hagar. Now Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia; she corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children. But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother.” ‭‭((Galatians‬ ‭4‬:‭22‬-‭26‬ ‭ESV‬‬)) “But just as at that time he who was born according to the flesh persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, so also it is now. But what does the Scripture say? "Cast out the slave woman and her son, for the son of the slave woman shall not inherit with the son of the free woman." So, brothers, we are not children of the slave but of the free woman.” ‭‭((Galatians‬ ‭4‬:‭29‬-‭31‬ ‭ESV‬‬)) “But far be it from me to boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by which the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world. For neither circumcision counts for anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creation. And as for all who walk by this rule, peace and mercy be upon them, and upon the Israel of God.” ‭‭((Galatians‬ ‭6‬:‭14‬-‭16‬ ‭ESV‬‬))

[@stelthtrekker9445]

I went Postmil because Pretrib has way more issues. You complain about the 1000 year thing, but Pretrib has the 70 weeks of Daniel thing and two comings of Christ.

[@goforsco]

It is problematic when you base your eschatology on headlines and current events. Read some Ken Gentry. He will help you understand how to read Matthew 24. Hint: we have won, we are winning, and we will win...God is Sovereign and Jesus is King and His Kingdom is now and forevermore.

[@goforsco]

​@@andreadilorenzo_You are certainly entitled to your opinion. I am a Reformed Baptist, I don't follow any headlines about much of anything. I do follow what the word says, in context. The most important thing is that we know Christ and know He is coming back and those He has called to repentance and life need to be working, not bunkered up. All orthodox end times postions have theological holes that are pretty big, including post-mil. Based on that I would give you grace on what you believe. Although it is super important, it is a Tier 2 issue and not one to cause or take offense at. Certainly not one to divide brothers and sisters in Christ over.😊

[@philipmurray9796]

If you are Calvinist and believe God is sovereign, you should be Postmil. Why? Just look at the Great Commission. "“All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.” Jesus has all authority NOW. That's what fuels the mission. Will the mission fail or succeed?

[@jenkydesignz]

So the error of Postmillennialism...is the Partial Preterist interpretation of Matthew 24?

[@angelolima6744]

Dispensationalism lives 😊❤️

[@jamesclark830]

The postmil view still stands un-challenged. I saw the title and thought maybe there was a new argument here. But this presented no argument at all.

[@jdiaz4877]

It's all about reading texts in its context and also reading all of the text, we will never fully understand everything but the Bible is clear. I personally adhere to Premillenialsm.

[@michaelwolfe8888]

Background music is annoying.

[@epwal3059]

I like how conveniently the disciple the nations was left of the the great commission part. Very anemic explanation of post millennialism, for anyone unfortunate enough to stumble on this video, check out Jeff Durbin, Sproul, Bahnsen, and Dough Wilson on this topicand let childish things go

[@gsp8489]

Dispy's: "we believe we should evangelize to the nations" Post mil and Amil:"Agreed!! And we know how the word of God transforms so we can be optimistic!" Dispy's: "Whoa! Hold up!"

[@pastormattbell]

Respectfully, the claim made at 4:45 is not accurate. Postmillennialists view these events as happening in the past because of what Jesus said in the next verse. It is not because those events do not fit Postmillennialists view of the future. Mt. 24:34 - Truly, I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place.

[@TristenMalone]

What will be the sign of your coming (in judgement). Why do we imply "in judgement"? Because Jesus just told the Jewish leaders that "all of the righteous blood will come upon THIS generation." And don't forget his final word to them "YOU will not see me until you say 'BLESSED IS HE WHO COMES IN THE NAME OF THE LORD!'".

[@OC3707]

They don't say that Mat 24 happened in 70 AD because it doesn't fit with their view. It's because the passage clearly indicates to an unbiased reader, these are to happen to "this generation". That being the generation of the audience. The passage and the events of history speak for themselves. If it didn't happen in 70 AD then Jesus made a false prophecy.

[@jordongreager3532]

Post-Mil do not take Matthew 24 passages and put them in the past because "those passages don't fit Post-mil worldview." Matthew 24 is symbolic language that is used multiple times through the Old-Testament prophets to describe the full end of a nation...which .... happened to Israel in 70AD

[@LeeBell77]

Im so confused, why did he not read just a few more verses, to see that everything he just said, Jesus said would happen in that generation.. Im not even sure if im PostMil or not, but give the full text its due respect and let it speak..😅

[@benjamincervantes2729]

I'm not a postmillennialist, but this was a swing and a miss.

[@charleshall4325]

A “natural” reading of the text would suggest that everything Jesus teaches about up to verse 34 would be set to take place in that literal 40 year generation. It would also seem to suggest that this was only going to be a local event, that’s why he says Judea, and it’s also why he says to flee when these things start taking place. you can’t flee a worldwide event. This is an egregious torture of the text.

[@johnholmes8760]

I myself believe that King Jesus will reign, and the idols be utterly abolished... I expect the same power which turned the World upside down once, will still continue to do it. The Holy Ghost would never suffer the imputation to rest upon His Holy Name that He was not able to convert the World. Christ will have the whole Earth... God will not be disappointed of His purpose. This ruined World shall yet sing His praises... The whole of His creatures shall magnify His Holy Name Spurgeon

[@OnlyJalenPhd]

Thank you so much. I was looking for a quick explanation between the three, and I saw your video. Ok, I’m confused. I thought if you are pretrib, you must be premillennial, and post trib, then your post millennial. Is that not right?

[@jamiemoody5615]

Scripture says you will be Saved if you believe in Jesus

[@eltonron1558]

I must be premillinial, however, insist Mt. 24:14 be fulfilled, before any signs, and at this rate, with the current gospel not being the one taught by Christ, it could be another 3 or 4 generations, before the gospel according to Christ is finally preached as the gospel. Many denominations must fall away, before the blessed keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus Christ. R. 12:17,22:14.

[@mountainperry]

What a laughably terrible conclusion. For The Gospel usually does fantastic work, but this is rubbish. Let’s see if I can do the same thing: “Calvinists interpret Romans 9 as God being ultimately sovereign, including in salvation, because Calvinism has no place for Romans 9…” If you just went “huh??”, well, that’s the same reaction every postmillennial watching this had to Nathan’s ridiculous assertion. Postmils say that Matthew 24 is a future prophecy for Jesus’ immediate audience because A) it clearly is, and B) any other interpretation makes Jesus a liar. It’s not that we “have no place” for Matthew 24 in our eschatology; if anything, this passage is one of the many texts our eschatology is based on in the first place.

[@mresab1997]

So you think Jesus comes back to the church making the world a honk-dory place? 🤣 No. The same Daniel that prophecied to the *day* Jesus would arrive is also the same Daniel that says Jesus returns to an apostate Israel that makes *the* Mosaic Covenant with the Antichrist. The church was not here for the 69 weeks leading up to the pending 70th week - and it won’t be here for the 70th week itself. Get real. Toss the ideological-possession system theology, and start listening to the Prophet.

[@aaronpaulaguilar1507]

Let us all see when the day of the Lord Jesus Christ comes. I am a premil, pretrib, dispensational here. Let's be one in the Gospel now, and wait for the Lord to come.

[@RhythmAndRibs]

I'm a-pre-post-millennialist😅

[@kenapples]

lose the music

[@hammerbarca6]

Know therefore that the LORD your God is God, the faithful God who keeps covenant and steadfast love with those who love him and keep his commandments, to a thousand generations, (Deuteronomy 7:9, ESV) Man I feel bad for the thousand and first generation!

[@hammerbarca6]

@HeShallReign well I’m guessing we’re on different pages here! You comment made me think of Gal 4:4! The fullness of the time came when Christ was born! Also, you’re confident of your view? Do you think it’s possible the millennium was being spoken as an exaggerated statement to make the point that Satan will be bound a really long time etc?

[@hammerbarca6]

@HeShallReign not sure what difference that makes… Christ has come, made atonement for sin, was raised, inaugurated the New Covenant, ascended to the throne, bound the strong man, and has been given all authority in heaven and on earth…

[@hammerbarca6]

@HeShallReign not sure what that’s supposed to mean.. those are all easily defined and proved from scripture. Spiritualize John 12:31 for me. Or all the parables about the strong man being “bound”

[@paulcummings287]

Real Talk- this is a debatable issue and Pre-Post-AMil, all believe Jesus is coming back. It's fine to debate but let's not start saying "so and so is less of a Christian because of their eschatological viewpoint"

[@jendewitje]

Obviously this is a short video, but the Preterist view needs more time than what was given here. Matthew 24 having plain in context reading would suggests that the disciples would see these things (Matt 24:15). Anyway, lots of great videos for those looking into these different views. Here is one: kzbin.info/www/bejne/rIfJfp1tqtCoasUsi=LIDdOB1ejSMJxZQg

[@cmsdiego40]

Music is a distraction.

[@johnstewart4350]

THE PROPHECY OF THE LORD GOD ALMIGHTY JESUS CHRIST THROUGH HIS LAST BOOK OF HIS HOLY BIBLE MUST START IN CHAPTER 6, AND IN VERSE 8 TWO BILLION PEOPLE DIED WHEN THE PALE HORSE WERE RUNNING !!

[@kylediaz3302]

Couldn't have been more wrong in explaining a postmill or even a partial/full preterist view of Matt 24, the "tribes of the LAND".... because the central focus of the God's judgement on Jerusalem (previous chapters and Luke talking about its destruction)... are the tribes of all houses of Israel who escaped the Roman armies of AD 70, gathering the elect from the four winds, is the gospel going out to the rest of the world brining in sheep into the fold (Matt 28). I'm not even promoting that the postmill view is correct, but at least I know their explanation.

[@Magic818100]

See when you go to Mark 13 it gives you the disciples that ask him this questions and they will for disciples tell them it was John Peter Andrew and James in Matthew 24:8 just tells you the disciples now why would these four disciple come and ask him about the end time what were they talking about something after the lifetime know Jesus responded to them to the question and it was referring to the destruction of that temple in Jesus told them all the signs that were going to take place in that generation of that Century before they throw the destruction of Jerusalem and the end of that the second temple Jesus was never talking about a 2000 years something about the end of the world

[@evantheorthodox740]

One of the most foolish videos I've ever seen on the topic. He says that postmillennials interpret Matt. 24 as having already been fulfilled because it doesn't quite fit the postmillennial system. It happens to be the context, and Jesus' words, vindicating Him as true prophet, are one the line, when He says that "this generation" shall not pass till ALL these things take place. Are we supposed to ignore this context???

[@connihudson1578]

The church will have met the Lord in the air before the 7 year tribulation. A great many people, tribulation saints, will be persecuted for their faith. Then, Chriist will reutrn.

[@kennalugon3724]

If you study church history on how Christ is reigning and advancing the gospel, you will know that the gospel is going to win here. From 12 confused disciples to millions of Christians. #Datposmill

[@TheYoungCodger]

You’ll come around

[@aletheia8054]

Revelation 10:6 And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be *TIME NO MORE * Turn on the news. We might be there

[@DavidColwill-th1dl]

Jeff Durbin needs to take you to school

[@blondeandthebrainiac]

L

[@Spadfa11]

Can everyone just stop playing music in the background of their monolog videos.

[@JD-6134]

The most gracious straw man iv ever seen.

[@PavleBujanovicSenior]

This video not only misrepresents postmillenialism by saying that we put Matthew 24 into the past because it would look bleak to put it into the future (no, we put it into the past because Jesus puts it into the past in Matthew 24:34) but it also fails to fully represent amillenialism. Admittedly, there are various flavors of amillenialism (as there are with the other two camps also) but the speaker only speaks of the negative Nancy amils, saying nothing of the optimistic amils, of which there are many (and i even see some in the comments here).

[@johnstewart4350]

YOU FORGOT TO MENTION THE FANTAZY RAPTURE !!

[@40ozhemlock]

Gaaay