The Ethics Of Irreverence

[@ShortFatOtaku]

HEY?! Watching this on release? I'm streaming on my GAMING CHANNEL tonight. How about you support somebody who's not a wokeoid in the gaming space, since they seem to be taking it over?!? TWITCH: twitch.tv/gameboomers KZbin: kzbin.info see you there frens

[@cheddar2648]

Why not? Because I am going to be playing something myself. ;} Maybe later.

[@phoneowner2664]

I am 17 and still respect my father. Never got why you'd insult your own parent, unless they're abusive of course.

[@mikecampos1193]

As long as you don't do anything G4 did you're doing well.

[@NuanceOverDogma]

The Leftist cult is way more dangerous than the moral majority ever was. The Leftist cult has more power, control over institutions and believes ends justifies means to destroy all those they find offensive. The moral majority wanted to stop the object of offense, not destroy lives. The right never had power the leftwing cult has today. We are headed for disaster if things don’t change.

[@mypartyisprivate8693]

This was a beautiful video, Dev

[@SargonofAkkad]

He'll say "my dad is fantastic" because I'm a fantastic dad, Dev.

[@ShortFatOtaku]

You've forgotten your own rebellious youth, Sargon!

[@Snakedude4life]

“You don’t understand, dad! I identify as a Sabre Wulf in a living in a saver fantasy! You don’t even have the latest cyber skin update!”

[@MrLolguy93]

Based

[@FearsEdge]

... to your face. Check his phone.

[@xcmledder3420]

God you're a fucking boomer

[@xEXABYTEx]

My uncle grew up in the era of hippies and he told me that no matter what anyone says, EVERYONE hated the hippies back in the day. It basically boiled down to, they were just gross.

[@MrGenedancingmachine]

And like SJW’s, they move lightning quick to violence

[@MinhNguyen-pk9qk]

these hippies plays a role in my family suffering from the communist after the war. My dislike of them is at a high level.

[@Cookieofdoom]

@@MinhNguyen-pk9qk interesting... Always thought they were REAL about the peace thing... The more you know..

[@MinhNguyen-pk9qk]

@@Cookieofdoom Yep they were also never there when the first refugees entered into the US. the only people who helped are Christians and Republicans

[@verklartenacht7827]

Do some research on Laurel Canyon, and you'll find that nothing about the hippie movement -- and by extension, psychedelic rock -- was organic. Lots of military and old money connections.

[@Gulgathydra]

That bit at the end... the _irony_ is thick. She is losing her mind because the audience they courted -- irreverent gamers -- does not revere her.

[@thehatter9400]

Many women are acting like they are goddesses when they are actually mud people

[@leejohnson197733]

How can you respect someone who just admitted she doesn't do her job correctly with reviews, doesn't know important gaming info like Microsoft doesn't own bioware and hogworts isn't an xb exclusive, people called her out and she is hiding behind sexism. She doesn't have a nice personality and lacks charm, warmth or humour

[@AndrewAce.]

_If you don't like it, don't watch it..._

[@AndrewAce.]

@@freedomgoddess Yes, I know. I love it when people receive the food they ordered...

[@franman781]

Frankly, they may have revered her if she didn't burn that bridge on Day 1.

[@kentlindal5422]

Dev, she isn't a real gamer. She admitted as much elsewhere. She doesn't like games she likes having a platform for her ideals.

[@dorugoramon0518]

Another wannabe be political journalist using games as a stepping stone.

[@thehatter9400]

You mean like everyone else that acts like her?

[@613-shadow9]

are you saying she is a platformer?

[@kentlindal5422]

@@613-shadow9 good one

[@japanesehercules]

See also: comic books industry, comedy industry

[@Danger_Noodle_Pliskin]

"If you don't like it, don't watch it." A pity they can't apply that sentiment to games they don't approve of.

[@RangerRobin0404]

A pity they're hypocrites. The moment you don't watch, the yelling gets louder.

[@spiderjeranimo4992]

Ironically....."If you don't like chat, don't watch it."

[@Nabo42]

Frosk: If you don't like our content then don't watch! Frosk in a couple of months: Our channel died because patriarchy!

[@earltesticuclees167]

Frosk will more than likely state that VERBATIM

[@gjtrue]

Exactly lol

[@scienceface8884]

Patriarchy is so 2014, obviously the villain that killed their channel in 2022 was the alt-right

[@dhxmg]

@@scienceface8884 alt-right, cis-het, neonazi straight white males.

[@jarradchapman4271]

Frosk is G4's Kelly Sue DeConnick

[@MaverickhunterXZero]

G4 lasted shorter then Zoe Quinn's relationships, gaming and comic careers put together. Reminder: Adam Sessler believes doxxing people that disagree with him is a valid tactic and Jim Sterling agree wholeheartedly. Gatekeeping is a necessity not a luxury.

[@chesterstevens8870]

Listening to that Melvin screech "It'S WeIrD!" like some kind of two-bit hypeman was so cringe. Hey Adam, ya know what's REALLY weird? Tweeting about how much you want to drink wine as you watch your republican relatives get lynched!

[@Noperare]

Jim Sterling is friends with Zoe Quinn.

[@Code7Unltd]

I remember hearing about Scott Wozniak getting a show on there (it's just his videos in one-hour blocks). I also heard that the channel is managed by Spectacor, Comcast's child company that mainly sportscasts in Philadelphia. VENN seems more like what G4 was than this soulless cash-grab by NBCUniversal ever can be, and they're available through various ad-supported IPTV providers for *FREE.* By contrast, Philo (the only TV provider that G4 has aside from Verizon, Cox and Comcast) is also losing subs, but it doesn't appear to be about woke-scolding on the surface.

[@AspiringDevil]

@@Noperareshocker

[@diobrando5896]

@@Code7Unltdthe com cast owners son was dating Olivia Munn. In 2019

[@Top10AnimeBetrayals]

"I'm not as bangable as the previous host" I think it's the personality that makes me painfully wince when I hear her

[@Noperare]

Yeah, she could still play the "tomboy gamer" with that look, but she choose to go full "angry feminist"

[@ComeOnPelican91]

Since she was a LoL esports caster she used to carry herself professionally on camera with a mild demeanor, just like her male counterparts. I guess they all go insane over time...

[@deadsi]

She looks like she wud bite, and not in a playful way, like bite your nose off or something

[@thel1355]

Is it better to be hired because you're pretty or because you're not? I know which I'd prefer, because there is literally no other reason to hire that woman except because she isn't pretty.

[@fakeytube6698]

And the teeth. Definitely the teeth.

[@yourealldoomed3691]

At this point, having fun is just something 90's kids can remember

[@Davitofrito]

Dude that's too true.

[@CoryTheRaven]

"Only 90's Kids Will Remember..."

[@honkygatty3775]

Back in the 90s nobody gave a damn. We actively made fun of politically correct bs.

[@funkyweapon1981]

@@honkygatty3775 I miss when Americans did whatever they wanted.

[@blackskyirregular9876]

I keep getting accused of wearing 'rose-tinted glasses', but growing up throughout the 90's really was fuckin' dope! You had to be there at the time, man.

[@lawdactyl]

Frosk has been a literal man hater her entire career. She has also played the "predatory lesbian" thing before, saying she could steal girls from their boyfriends. Also she complained that the European League of Legends casting talent was "blindingly white" and this only came out after she had left. She is rightfully hated by a majority of LoL players and hopefully this latest event causes her to have some sort of self reflection, but I doubt it will cause it seems the yes men on twitter are supporting her. Sad.

[@lawdactyl]

@@Sneedmire yes. The one who went on the rant pictured above is Frosk

[@DoubleO88]

@@Sneedmire Jack Dorsey has left twitter?

[@mario167100]

Frosk needs to get her own girlfriend before she can claim that she take someone elses.

[@michaeldavies7949]

Her rant about 'sexism' was a smokescreen for her controversial comments about the PS5 being a 'dead man walking' and having no good games

[@theodiscusgaming3909]

I wonder why the European casting was blindingly white. Perhaps we will never know.

[@biostemm]

Sometimes the term "ugly" does not just refer to your outward appearance. This woman, however is "ugly" in both senses...

[@harbl99]

Beauty is skin deep, but ugly goes right down to the bones.

[@thomdrolet2624]

Is that an unfortunate shadow or an adam's apple?

[@bannedmann4469]

She's the after picture of before and after feminism.

[@IgnoredAdviceProductions]

“If a person has ugly thoughts, it begins to show on the face. And when that person has ugly thoughts every day, every week, every year, the face gets uglier and uglier until you can hardly bear to look at it. A person who has good thoughts cannot ever be ugly. You can have a wonky nose and a crooked mouth and a double chin and stick-out teeth, but if you have good thoughts it will shine out of your face like sunbeams and you will always look lovely.” ― Roald Dahl, The Twits

[@junior1388666]

She looks like she shoots heroin through her crotch cuz there's no other veins left

[@sproutpits]

Relevant C.S. Lewis quote: "Critics who treat 'adult' as a term of approval, instead of as a merely descriptive term, cannot be adult themselves. To be concerned about being grown up, to admire the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence. And in childhood and adolescence they are, in moderation, healthy symptoms. Young things ought to want to grow. But to carry on into middle life or even into early manhood this concern about being adult is a mark of really arrested development. When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up."

[@Screamingmanta]

Never forget that Adam "I Don't Have a Coke Problem" Sessler stated that gamers are worse than chemical weapons dealers.

[@1911Zoey]

We should remind him that he's some sort of salesman of said weapons industrial complex.

[@jomanci]

Don't blame the coke bruh

[@typhonviserys8288]

"Never correct an idiot in the middle of being and idiot." Son Sioux, probably. Adam didn't need to blow the whistle on himself like that...

[@rtbear674]

Imagine going to a steak house, when you sit and see the menu it's all vegan, then the waiter preach at you on how bad steak is to climate change.

[@Noperare]

Then be insulted by the staff for expecting steaks at the steak house.

[@FearsEdge]

"I want to talk about sexism is gaming." Yes, because we haven't been lectured enough on that topic for more than ten years now. I'm sure you'll have something brand new and insightful to add to the topic that gamers oh so love to hear about.

[@artemprotectron]

Good luck I'm still waiting for it.

[@RangerRobin0404]

Someday they'll realize that maybe just maybe constantly bringing it up like some college thesis is why it still exists. I don't want certain people out of gaming circles because I'm sexist, I want them out because they have an agenda and I just want to have some damn fun.

[@firekram]

@@RangerRobin0404 So you admit you're sexist? Ladies and gentlemen, we gottem

[@frankvonfrauner]

But she didn't want to talk about sexism in gaming. She wanted to talk about sexism in commercialized gaming culture which is just an extension of old media. She was hired for her appearance, and she's insecure because she's less attractive than her predecessors. She chooses to express that insecurity by performing as a social activist.

[@RyuuRider]

The one response that sticks out in my mind is "Women are hot. Sue me!"

[@SacrificAbominat]

I can't wait for the coming age of irreverence after all this SJW puritanism. It'll be glorious. I'm also glad the wolf took off the sheep suit right away, saves me the absolutely tiny amount of time I might have curiously watched one of their videos. Whatever little hype there was for the Completionist and Scott the Woz being on G4 is completely gone and if I were Jirard or Scott I'd distance myself from that anchor as fast as I can.

[@richardruth9048]

It really isn't any different than religious puritanism. These fuckwits really want to believe that they're different than their parents. It's all stacy's.

[@mikecampos1193]

They should have read that room or figured out who they were working with way before they got involved football both of the knew the money was worth it I hope they take the money and run.

[@NightTimeDay]

I hope it comes soon, I'm in university and tired of it lol. What's always funny to me is that I can attest to being readily welcome in gaming communities as a woman if you just... aren't political? When you're expected to be sensitive, hostile and angry, but just end up being chill, people are relieved and end up liking you for that alone. So many women make their own problems and call it sexism.

[@thomasbailey921]

@@richardruth9048 actually, Stacey's mom has got it going on

[@dromalloma2651]

@@NightTimeDay Can confirm! Still, it's nice to know I'm not alone in this. :)

[@SomeCanine]

Ah yes, the old "Let's attack our audience and accuse them of moral failings". What could go wrong with that business strategy? There's only a million gaming channels on youtube that gamers could turn to for entertainment. I'm sure this will work out well for the almost entirely male audience.

[@junior1388666]

I don't wanna say it, because growing up I always wanted a girl who liked games, but I think females are ruining our community. It's not all of them, I know. But most most women don't how to handle criticism or a silly joke. Maybe some ppl deserve to be gatekept

[@theprofesionalist7927]

@@junior1388666 The problem is the fake gamer gurls that'll say they like videogames, but then tell us that we need to choose between them and our videogames when the relationship begins. The problem would end there if we all just told them we chose our games over fake people who lied about sharing our hobbies or opinions, but some of us are simps who are too weak to stand our ground on what we believe in or what we're passionate about.

[@SomeCanine]

@@junior1388666 It's the female mindset of needing everyone to like them and agree to their ideology in order for peace to exist. Not all women are like this, but most are.

[@SomeCanine]

@@theprofesionalist7927 It's not that they don't play video games. It's that they're anti-social narcissists and communists. The problem is that most women are also communists. It is uncommon for women to not like socialist policies.

[@junior1388666]

@@theprofesionalist7927 don't wanna like I'm a Chadd, but I have no problem leaving a girl when she starts thinking she can tell what I can and can't do. Remember guys, ur gf is not ur mom

[@grimnir8872]

I'm convinced these people hate video games, but it was the only media they could attach themselves to.

[@xDDufiosy]

its a domain of culture not entirely controlled by prog propaganda machines. music, movies, tv are all in a vice grip and they need to own video games.

[@saisameer8771]

Most of them are failed movie critics or journalists. That's why they want to turn video games into second rate movies.

[@lughildana]

@@saisameer8771 this 100%, inside every game journalist is a bright eyed media/journo grad who thought they were going to be a Pulitzer winning war correspondent. There embittered about their career and this is at least part of the source of the bile

[@leejohnson197733]

Most progressives seem to hate everyone including themselves, they have a special kind of narcissism

[@Eirik_Bloodaxe]

That is exactly it

[@queen_alexandra996]

As an early Zoomer who was still ostracised for being a gamer, I can confirm most normies from gen Z are not gamers in the original sense

[@Julius064]

Same with any gen really. Back in 08 when I was in high school the same people who made fun of others for playing pokemon were playing it on their blackberries suddenly one year.

[@dredgendorchadas6770]

There are many hobbies that I've tried, but gaming is one of my dearest ones. Something I hate is all the people that preach about a game based solely on "graphics" meanwhile the gameplays shit, story is shit, audio is shit, and feels clunky. But hey, the more we can turn it into a movie the better, right?

[@queen_alexandra996]

@@dredgendorchadas6770 as somone who's always been a gen behind the mainstream (it's just so cost effective) I've never really got the push for better graphics. Art design is far more important if you want something to age well

[@roguewasbanned4746]

I lose -40 out of 100 respect points if someone can’t handle the heat or the banter

[@abyssalboy8811]

@@queen_alexandra996 amen brother, from a Zoomer who inherited all of his Millenial cousins' stuff.

[@magoichi75]

All that good will and nostalgia just evaporated like that, they couldn’t just shut up and let things happen naturally no they had to whip out their activism and they wonder why they lost gamers to the “right”.

[@harbl99]

People wanted to see a fun bit of nostalgia reminding them of a simpler, happier time in their lives. What did they get instead? Another lecture.

[@_Sage967_]

i haven't been keeping up with Jarrard but seeing him there kinda just put a frown on my face at least with Jon's whole debate thing he admitted that he was kind of an idiot, that it wasn't his field of expertise and he isn't a good debater so he presented his opinions and view in the worst way possible to be interpreted the worst way possible and now people will forever remember that the same way people dig up quotes of people from a decade ago. i can disagree and not like Jon's views and opinions but he aint out here being our supporting outright aimless antagonism (as far as ive heard) but here we have Jarrard clappin along to this as she was talking about Activision being the actual den of goblins that it is

[@AuroraAce.]

@@_Sage967_ to be honest I think he just clapped to be professional and follow along with the room, this was live and if he didn't show support he would potentially be under fire on camera, risking his job and future prospects. the best case scenario was just to nod and clap he did go overboard nor did he react negatively.

[@junior1388666]

Remember when the left was fun and the right was the puritans trying to fuck with our games? I miss those simpler times....

[@theprofesionalist7927]

@@AuroraAce. It's more like being a grifter than being professional. You can clearly tell that who you hang around with reflects who you are. Once Ethan (H3H3) started hanging out with Hasan or other people like this instead of John he started caring more about his politics than the quality of his content and that same thing might sadly happen to our boi Jarrard the Complesionist if it hasn't happened already. Sure John's a nutcase sometimes, but he's smart enough to stay out of politics and focus his passion into making sure he delivers gud content even if it isn't always gaming related; the point is that if you're not known for politics than you should probably stay out of it and chose to be neutral on most issues so that people will see you as an enlightened grillest and think you're the chillest of the gamers/content creators out here on youtube.

[@dy031101]

Rebelling against irreverence. And of course the irony is completely lost on the Progs.

[@Noperare]

Eventually everyone became conservative, we just have different opinions on what should be conserved.

[@HenshinFanatic]

@@Noperare Really thought that Truth, Justice, and Liberty would've been easy choices, but apparently I had far too much faith in humanity as a child.

[@Tzizenorec]

@@HenshinFanatic So far, every generation seems to be able to use those words to refer to things that they like.

[@frankvonfrauner]

@@Noperare the only principles worth preserving are life, order, and liberty. And that's what they're rebelling against. They want free speech by silencing everything they disagree with. They want to end racism by being racist. They want reduce inequality and pursue equity by destroying the middle class and centralizing wealth and power in the hands of a few elites. James Lindsay communicates it as well as anyone needs to. The communists have been completely exposed, and it's become obvious that all they know how to do is criticize and destroy. They're the underpants gnomes.

[@nothanks7063]

I wasn't aware that the G4 girls were chained to the floor forced to do cosplay and other stuff without any consent.

[@MrJobocan]

In fact they were forced to sleep on the dirty panty piles.

[@sekiro_the_one-armed_wolf]

@@MrJobocan is this a bad thing?

[@ebonhawken574]

Gate keeping is a good thing. Protect your hobbies gentlemen, or they will slime their way in and destroy the last few things we can enjoy on this planet.

[@Zenonbuster]

For the emperor

[@mrbigglezworth42]

@@Zenonbuster for Sigmar

[@Alfred-yk6vi]

Love the old intro, nice that you brought it back.

[@ShortFatOtaku]

Glad you like it!

[@onecertainesquire486]

Heh I thought that was the old intro

[@10Nek]

Indeed 🧐

[@Jufatto]

It's amazing ^_^

[@JilverZ]

Olivia Munn: funny, charming and enthusiastic. It's clear that she is giving it her all and is in on the joke. This lady: Moralizes like a youth pastor to an audience that wants news on an escapist media. Clearly sexism is the only reason why one is favourably compared over the other.

[@CoryTheRaven]

I've met cooler youth pastors than her.

[@HenshinFanatic]

@@CoryTheRaven and more animated cadavers.

[@funkyweapon1981]

@@HenshinFanatic And prettier parasites.

[@leonrobinson8180]

The difference is with a youth pastor, you're looking for moral guidance. With gaming, you're looking for an escape.

[@Alex_Fahey]

0:30 Teenagers aren't rebellious with authority. They are rebellious to what they see as the authority over them as a child. They are obedient to all others. They'll be more reverent than the most zealous preacher to the first person who says "Your Dad is lame." whether that idiot is a dilenquent pot smoker, a communist professor, or a Prager University video. Edit: Eventually they grow up and manage to apply the idea of "my dad isn't perfect" to everyone else, too. Presumably, the SJWs, or Wokescolds as you like to use now, never matured that far.

[@Volper1]

Isn’t it just so sad that I’m the nineties and early 2000s we were literally one step away from actually being a color blind society? We were right there. And then went screaming back to puritanicalism. And the funny and probably most sad part about it? It was the first Black President, in my view, that got us there.

[@danielseelye6005]

It was the One Two punch of the 2000 election and 9/11. The vehemence and anger after the Florida debacle metastasized with the fear after 9/11 to kill King's Dream. They may have erected that memorial to MLK but it's not for the success of his life's work and sacrifice but it looks more like an epitaph to it's failure and "what might've been"

[@kittycat5972]

Yup, it was definitely the fault of Obama that brought back the rampant racism we see today since the democrat party used racism to deflect criticism from their holy black messiah. Absolutely ironic yet tragic that Americans voted for him in the first place to show that America has progressed past racism just to end up stumbling back into the shitter for their future generations to now put up with.

[@dorugoramon0518]

@@kittycat5972 Not really, people voted for Obama to "absolve" themselves of their white guilt, which is a form of self-loathing racism. Truth is, a color blind society is impossible unless you drug everyone into mindlessness. Humans will always form in and out groups, and race is one of the most basic ones.

[@Sines314]

When Obama won, I thought "Oh well. At least that'll put the capstone on American Racism. The final piece confirming it's truly dead." I swear to god, every single time I try to be positive about a Democrat gaining office, I end up being proven wrong. Literally the first time I heard "America is a white supremacist nation" was when we had a black president. The damage that man did is astounding. But then... he also prepped us for the God Emperor. I think Trump could only ever have been elected as a populist leader once things started to go bad. Perhaps President Race Baiter was a blessing in disguise.

[@freetrial9535]

Ironically. I don't think it was Obama being Black that caused him to win. It was the failure of Bush, and wanting to shake up Politics (Almost like we did with Trump in 2016) that elected Obama. Sadly him basically being Bush but an African Re-skin, and him basically still being in the DC swamp, just canceled that notion outright. Had Obama actually been the change he wanted to be, we could of had America being a slightly Lib Left country, but still kept that 90s and 2000s Punk Culture. But him and the Democrat party ran on a platform of trying to serve every group, and having Public and private opinions, and it basically lead to the Balkinization of the Democrat party. And how do you try to unify a Balkanized party? Paint the other side as the ultimate Bad guys, and having to come together to stop them. That's why the Media spent 4 years calling Trump a Nazi.

[@AncestorEmpire1]

To be honest, Adam Sessler killed G4tv’s good will during his bromance with Jim “I’m fat” Stirling back in 2013. Doxing is never okay, and should be tolerated by an political faction. I’m gonna place Adam with Mark Hamill on the same scale of political zealotry. Both need serious help.

[@AncestorEmpire1]

@@Richforce1 it wouldn’t be surprising at all

[@ethanhinton4549]

Huh?! What did Mark Hamill do?

[@bannedmann4469]

Hamil?

[@HeavyMetalJesus02]

@@ethanhinton4549 not what Hamill has done but whenever he gets political, he generally has REALLY stupid takes.

[@userequaltoNull]

What?? What did Mark Hamill do??

[@trumbogrumbo363]

I like how Jirard looked so unhappy as soon as she started talking about sexism, and didn't move a muscle while everyone started clapping and cheering. He looked so dead inside and regretful of his life choices lol. There's hope for him yet!

[@TheDarkAngel969]

From what I've been hearing on Twitter, jirard actually does hate what G4 currently is at because of how much of a fan he was of it back in the day

[@HenshinFanatic]

@@TheDarkAngel969 That's what signing away your soul gets you though, he really should have known better than to use it as collateral.

[@lunamaria8788]

He was in this exact spot during the gamergate days. Remember Greg?

[@chavaspada]

@@lunamaria8788 His fallout with Greg was due to money and ownership of the completionist, not due to politics.

[@lunamaria8788]

@@chavaspada oh, thank you for clarifying.

[@slashbash1347]

If there is a boundary set, the artist's job is to push it. "You shouldn't joke about that" is signallying that something NEEDS to be joked about. People claim South Park tries to make fun of anyone that takes anything seriously but the show, like any good comedy, goes after people who take themselves TOO seriously. Iron and steel are almost equally strong but steel has an advantage; it can bend. Remember that.

[@remyllebeau77]

I wish that was still the case, but these latest episodes of South Park, it looks like they are kissing big pharma's ass.

[@azmanabdula]

Wait i thought pure iron bends easier than steel As carbon makes it harder Am I wrong? *I feel like ive forgotten some things*

[@azmanabdula]

@@a.wadderphiltyr1559 No softer High carbon steel is brittle Cast iron

[@azmanabdula]

@@a.wadderphiltyr1559 Pure iron is weak compared to steel Im just pointing out that pure iron is more malleable

[@azmanabdula]

@@a.wadderphiltyr1559 No wait...iron is brittle to begin with Im an idiot *I knew there was something i was forgetting*

[@grantsamson2384]

There's a real humility to the irreverence of before, since no one was above reproach. It almost feels like a growth of narcissism has led to a wave of things you're not allowed to mock.

[@giovannigiorgio831]

Absolutely. It’s narcissism, egocentrism and a lack of introspection. These people think they are God’s gift to the world, not that they actually believe in God. They virtue signal to prove their superiority, and smugly belittle other with opposing ideals. They also can’t see the blatant errors of their judgment until it’s far too late.

[@Phe0niz]

Oh shit, he brought back the greyhound bus. I'd like to follow up with a "She has a higher recorded killcount than gamergate."

[@davedunks4647]

@@scientificreactions7938 zoe quinn cheated on her then boyfriend with 5 other guys including a guy who would be able to help push a game for her, and then went on a sociopathic lying spree that eventually sprouted what other people refer to as gamergate

[@MrJobocan]

"Hey how do we appeal to gamers and make sure we have them as a viewership so we don't die in 5 minutes?" "How about calling literally every gamer sexist?" "Perfect!"

[@thevoicej2511]

Where specifically was this said?

[@alexanderrahl7034]

"If you don't like X, don't consume X." Is my favorite leftist line. Because it always precedes colossal failure 🤣

[@RangerRobin0404]

You can just hear "Curb your Enthusiasm" play after they say that and the views tank.

[@Noperare]

The line itself is not bad, it is basically how gatekeep works. The issue is when the "you" is 95% of their consumers.

[@DracoTheBlack]

It also, as usual, never applies to themselves.

[@alexanderrahl7034]

@@DracoTheBlack of course. Because they are "the good guys" and therefore every good and right and just is on their side. So everything should be made for them. Meanwhile anyone who opposes them are the "bad guys". And who gives a shit about bad guys right? So they can fuck off. Except us "bad guys" are literally their only consumer base, so when they tell us to fuck off, we do, and _they_ lose lol

[@Francis-ht5td]

And if you don't consume X you are sexist, racist, homophobic, etc lol

[@jediron169]

"If you don't like it, don't watch it!" A year later, no one watched it and G4 went back into the trashcan of history.

[@beidero]

As a father of a one and a half year old this was actually very educational. I never thought of it from this point of view but as my child grows up I will do my best to remember this.

[@pepperspray7386]

Crowmwell did not allow his soldiers to tease one another at all. No bullying overthrew a king in England, and the Robespierre lead French killed 20k in the name of fairness and equality without even realizing they were doing it.

[@MeanBeanComedy]

Rest in Piss, Cromwell.

[@opinionatortv6457]

@@MeanBeanComedy Rip BOZO 😂😂😗🚬

[@Supiragon1998]

We're smart apes, you have to let people blow off steam once in a while.

[@Braxant]

I read 4 biographies about Cromwell and never came across this. Where is this info from?

[@Noperare]

Sargon's kids edgy trolling is saying "dad, I am a socialist/ feminist"

[@HareHaruhi]

You don't need to be ostracized to be a geek, but is a good indicator: sticking to something even thought you are being criticized or ignored shows passion and dedication. If Twitch closed tomorrow, if games stopped making money and giving you views how many of those people would keep playing games?

[@pyorre2441]

I would say some would, it's basically boils down if you do Twitch shows for the attension and the money you get from it or if you really into gaming and the rest is good side deal.

[@MephiticMiasma]

pretty sure the main moneymakers aren't even bothering to play video games anymore. Play games, yes, but not those.

[@Acueil]

@@pyorre2441 The question is "how many", not "will there be any left". It was clear that the trailblazers who made their career on KZbin gaming, back when not having a network backing you would mean you get 0 dollar out of your videos, would probably still play and stream it even when the trend died off.

[@kingsteve4304]

Those G4 clips remind me of a sentiment that was expressed after Ghostbusters 2016 came out. In that women have shown they can be equal, if not better than men at producing utter fucking garbage. Truly we are progressing!

[@artemprotectron]

Frosk hypothetically punched a hornet's nest, doubled down, playing the victim, and pulled the marketing no-no by telling viewers if they don't like it, to not watch. Yet they are shocked by getting stung? (I. e. they are losing subs and not getting as much views now) OOF. No actual gamer sympathizes with her nonsensical screed. A majority of gamers don't like politics, are completely apolitical or don't want it in their escapism. Edit: I no longer miss it, the show should have stayed dead.

[@vasudeanguy8523]

I miss it, but I miss what it was, not the animated husk it is today. Although when it came down to it, my personal favorite shows on G4 during it's heyday were Icons and Arena.

[@theworldofnexttuesday2802]

I'll add as a gamer who likes politics, I do not like games that are political. At least not contemporary, anyways. If you want a political game, either use historical examples or create a fictional context that is not completely on the nose.

[@simonpetrikov3992]

@@theworldofnexttuesday2802 you would fall in the latter category not wanting it shoehorned in the games

[@wolfboy414_lac]

@@simonpetrikov3992 indeed, there is difference between a game with political themes in their story and a game whose story is about politics.

[@Eirik_Bloodaxe]

I didn’t even know G4 still existed or came back rather, until I heard about this freak out. And now I have even less interest than zero. I have negative interest.

[@woodwyrm]

I think Frosk honestly believes she's still in the trenches of GamerGate, her side cannot literally give it up despite the 7 years that have passed.

[@Dewfie]

She likely views it as her turn to grift. It doesn't matter if g4 burns.

[@bannedmann4469]

I just realized that's her name. Thought we were calling her Frost as a joke, for looking like the MK character.

[@Sines314]

I think it's one of the only major culture battles they've ever lost. Even with Comics having japanese parallels to hold them to account, they still managed to destroy the American comic industry. While they certainly harmed western gaming, they honestly didn't do THAT much damage to it. So it's more than just us having a backup in a woke-free culture. And I think it's because gaming really is fundamentally anti-wokist. It's a pure meritocracy, where nobody gets any bonus points based on their skin color. Which is almost never known anyway. Even if some gamers were sexist or racist, all the discriminated against had to do was pick up the controller and prove that they were better than those assholes.

[@dycedargselderbrother5353]

@@Sines314 The ranting about capitalism in video games at the beginning of the video is funny because when the details of Zoe Quinn and Kotaku were being revealed, I started pining for the days of Doritos and Mountain Dew. It's amazing how much more dignified it was in comparison. And, for the most part, it went back there. Loot boxes and blood-sucking DLC are annoying, but they're (somehow) less destructive to gaming than wokeism.

[@woodwyrm]

@@dycedargselderbrother5353 lmao true

[@error17_]

As an Australian, I was exposed to American media growing up, and its fair share of irreverence and action. I think a great aspect in my childhood, wouldnt change a thing.

[@Melkaseem]

Is American media consumed a lot in Australia?

[@error17_]

@@Melkaseem Pretty much makes up the majority of our entertainment

[@Patraquashe]

The Facebook post about how "we lost the gamers to the right" is so fundamentally wrong in its core analysis in my opinion. The gamer and nerd crowd never belonged to any one side. When I think back to the more chaotic years of the early interwebs, what I miss is exactly what you're talking about Dev - the irreverence. The concept of doing something "for the lulz" is a completely lost concept today and the world is worse off because of it.

[@ajdude9]

Honestly, doing something 'for the lulz' evolved into 'we do a little trolling', but that's become something that people will cancel each other over instead of just being like 'Alright, understood' and moving on.

[@Noperare]

"We lost gamers to the right" because being apolitical makes you alt-right, thanks Gramsci

[@saisameer8771]

More like we just wanted to be left alone and be able to play the games we wanted but you morons couldn't help but poke your head where it doesn't belong. It's amazing how they can never seem to realize how much in common they have with the fox news types in the early 2000s.

[@CoryTheRaven]

@@Noperare except that "alt-right" just means liberal. Sure, the white supremacist-woke progressive alliance MEANS it to imply being white supremacist, but as it is actually used, "alt-right" just means "circa 2010 liberal." Once you understand that, a lot of woke commentary makes a lot more sense.

[@MrCmon113]

Everyone, who isn't actively and enthusiastically agreeing with me at every turn is Nazi... why is everyone Nazis all of a sudden?

[@ntall123]

Brings a tear to my eye when I remember how awesome the internet used to be.

[@CoryTheRaven]

Makes me want to MySpace, LiveJournal, and Geocities back.

[@starwarfan8342]

@@CoryTheRaven mfw when I don't know what those last two things are at all

[@CoryTheRaven]

@@starwarfan8342 fetus

[@chrisdiamond5538]

This aged like a fine wine.... RIP G4

[@hanyuukawaiinanodesu]

"we need to talk about sexism in gaming" WOOO! HELL YEAH SEXISM!!! THAT'S MY JAM!!!

[@yarlodek5842]

“What’s that? I’m a misogynist? Thanks bro! Thank god you don’t think I’m a feminist!” Is the reaction in my head when someone calls me that.

[@chopper8209]

Even Jirard (The Completionist) didn’t want to be dragged into this crap.

[@mikecampos1193]

Well he's kind of a soy boy and he know what he was signing up for now he can't take it back if this kills his show alone but it will hurt him for a bit he should just walk away now.

[@treasurehunter3369]

"I'm not as bangable as the old hosts" ... APPLAUSE from cohorts...!!!!!!!

[@NorthernObserver]

Everyone knows that GamerGate was right. The ideological bullying of the media must be crushed.

[@Noperare]

SJWs still wanna push the "gamergate was sexist" after all those years. People either know about it and have a opinion they not gonna change or they didn't care then and still don't care now.

[@Ghost_Text]

The title of the video basically encapsulates why they were mad at it. With a traditional media soapbox they expected validation. When they were treated the same way irreverent gamers treated all institutional scolding they recoiled and doubled down.

[@dycedargselderbrother5353]

@@Noperare It was funny back then reading the posts along the lines of "there are the gamergate misogynists on one side and there is literally the rest of the world opposing them" and I'm thinking that probably 99+% of people don't know and don't care. Even many actual gamers were barely aware of it and didn't care. What annoyed them the most about it was their fanbase constantly talking about it.

[@justinambru8529]

Or worse, they agree with the feminist narrative on gamergate.

[@Exposed_Entrepreneur401]

How the hell did we manage to go from "everything is a joke" to "joking about anything will offend everyone" in less than a generation?

[@RaifSeverence]

College. That's how.

[@dycedargselderbrother5353]

@@jakeviolet2195 It's weird having conversations with modern day parents and discovering their 10 year old kid's favorite show is Dora the Explorer or Thomas the Tank Engine and they're not allowed to ride bikes because they're not allowed to leave the front yard. Meanwhile the latchkey kids were watching Rated-R movies for several years by that point and managed to get to a town or two over, whether it be by bike, bus, or whatever. No one cared, this was all normal.

[@maltardraco9555]

It is your God given duty to be irreverent to all things and people for any and all failures and misgivings.

[@addex1236]

Free speech must cover all speech even speech that is morally and ethically appalling as one person or entity can not be trusted with the job of deciding what is moral

[@endcensorship874]

“If you don’t like it, don’t watch it” is the exact same energy as “if you don’t like my politics, don’t buy my book.” And we know how well that worked out.

[@yatarookayama8329]

Oh Men it's been 10 years since the last time i heard the word " Irreverence " , wow !

[@vasudeanguy8523]

I use the word all the time to describe what comedy should be.

[@GodOfOrphans]

The one thing most rebellious teens are actually correct about is that school is a crime against humanity, other than that they're almost entirely full of shit. I would know I'm still young enough to remember what it was like.

[@intelligenceparadigm4931]

"I wonder if the younger, thinner Gerard is in there" Dev must have watched Dorohedoro.

[@orboakin8074]

14:45 This is why I am glad that gatekeeping exists. The gaming community failed to properly gatekeep these subversives out but they are gradually pushing back and weeding them out.

[@r.connor9280]

"I'm not impressed by swearing anymore I only take it seriously it's in meter and rhyme" -My Dad

[@dromalloma2651]

Your dad sounds cool :)

[@posajnejkwahb]

Your dad knows whatsup

[@perforongo9078]

Oftentimes when a public figure complains about bullying or harassment in the comment sections I'll look at the comment section and...find very little of it. Lucky sometimes if I can find 1 truly nasty comment. Most of the time, people are just disagreeing with their viewpoint. Or most of the comments are very positive. But they break down and cry over a tiny portion of truly nasty people.

[@bighex5340]

They always ostracize and talk down to the majority portion of their audience, and then complain when they're out of a job a couple months later? How do they ALWAYS do it and not realize what the fuck is going on??? Cowboy Bebop, The entire comics industry, star wars? And these are just recent examples. I'm baffled nobody realizes that they aren't going to be successful talking major shit to their audience

[@Davitofrito]

They can't admit they are the problem. They are narcissists who don't care about the business and think it's better to burn it down pushing their vitues. I had fond memories of comics, star ward and G4 but they have all been gutted and I've wandered elsewhere. Can't wait for the trash fire Netflix is gonna make out of my beloved Gundam franchise. Glad I got to grow up as a millennial and experienced irrelevant 90s/00s

[@italoviturino6386]

Because it is not them that suffer from this, they actually fail upwards, its the brands and companies that allow this that take the hit in hopes of getting more revenue and investments.

[@dycedargselderbrother5353]

@@Davitofrito Best thing about Gundam is it's had its ups and downs independent of Netflix so it'll be strong enough to survive. Hopefully.

[@giovannigiorgio831]

Has the “if you don’t like it, don’t watch it” argument ever worked out positively for anyone who has said it? I remember recently a comic book author said that, and complained when her comic sales tanked.

[@ragnarok7976]

I think it's good personal advice, don't subject yourself to something you hate. It is a piss-poor marketing campaign though...

[@dycedargselderbrother5353]

It did work during the moral panic of the 80s and 90s. In those cases, however, the target audience was correctly identified and it was the busybodies being told to pound sand.

[@giovannigiorgio831]

@@dycedargselderbrother5353 yeah people today keep using this argument on the people they’re trying to sell to

[@ivercingetorix1367]

G4 went woke before it was ever put into words.

[@beckiverson1531]

they did do Scott the woz on tv so I'd say it balances out

[@funkyweapon1981]

@@beckiverson1531 Scott's cool.

[@honkygatty3775]

That old meme of Zoe Quinn with the cat is hilarious.

[@mrjamesinblogington]

10:07 To be fair, Bum Fights was legitimately a bridge too far.

[@funkyweapon1981]

Yeah, that shit wasn't funny. Backyard wrestling on the other hand was hilarious.

[@RobertManzano]

00:50 A small critique: that wasn't Socrates, it was some scholar in the early 1900s who was summarizing a list of complaints people from Socrates' time period made about kids. This is important because it's possible his translation/summary is biased. Still a worthwhile thing to learn, however it's important to keep in mind it was technically written in the modern era.

[@Snakedude4life]

I make fun of everyone. Recently, memology 101 put a video calling the “ Patriot Front” a potential federal Honeypot. Didn’t really care about it because it’s just a bunch of LARPERS bien’ derps. BUT! I took the opportunity to make fun of them. Apparently, a few of their members were trying to play PR. Simply, I just reply “OK, Fed.” I *still* have salty LARP warriors coming at me. 🎩 🐍 no step on Snek! 🇺🇸🇭🇰

[@artemprotectron]

same here. It was so obvious that it was worth the mockery. Yet there was so many commenters raging for that. Considering there have been so many honeypots happening, nothing wrong with pointing out potential ones, even if it's a real group of larpers

[@KopperNeoman]

If you REALLY wanna get the American LARP crowd after you, toss in THIS grenade. "Benedict Arnold did nothing wrong."

[@cielsharp449]

I knew Frost would be the downfall of the Lin Kuei.

[@jordyshep6725]

The best thing that came out of this was MXC being on twitch. Thank you. So much

[@Arassar]

Gotta admit I'm not really a fan of things like Jackass. Not a "moral outrage" thing, but "gross-out humor" just strikes me as gross instead of funny, and I don't think seeing guys intentionally hurt themselves is funny, either. It just seems kind of dumb.

[@catadoxas]

hm you have to kind of consider what it grew out of. jackass grew out of skateboard bail videos. sadly its an inescapable part of skateboarding to injure yourself and skateboard tapes usually featured a section for people to "bond" over. like "yes, like you even the icons of the sport fall and hurt themselves, often worse than you even". jackass started when someone asked the question of "what is the best way to defend yourself, electroshockers, pepperspray or what else?" and johnny knoxville who was making skatevideos at the time decided to try them all out on himself, that turned into a huge sucess"

[@ComeOnPelican91]

I want to fanboy out and say you could take any kid and transplant them into the millennial timeline and they'd love Jackass, but that's not true. I remember not all of us enjoyed it.

[@SubtleStair]

Did you give your head a shake and re-examine yourself after Ryan Dunn died in that drunken car accident? I know I did.

[@renim2974]

I'm not a fan of gross out humor either, but some of Jackass is the hardcore slapstick stuff SFO was talking about. Just lookup the stunt they did with a large hand, it's freaking glorious slapstick. Also watch the little people bar fight. I don't usually find the whole midget humor thing funny, but there's so much chaos going on that it's like a clown show.

[@catadoxas]

@@renim2974 a lot of that stuff happened after mtv got in on the gig... There was always some of it via SteveO but initially it was mostly skateboard related (that took a backseat as time went on)

[@TanukiWeirdo]

As a young zoomer, I'm starting to see a shift on how some of my friends are rebelling on millennial ideas and eventually just doing what they like. Hell I definitely do it right now from going on newgrounds and doing other early 2010s stuff

[@ShortFatOtaku]

all my old content! my gaming stuff!!! its good for this type of feel :3

[@TanukiWeirdo]

@@ShortFatOtaku yeah, I've been watching a lot of that stuff lately, It's so funny and relaxing :]

[@TanukiWeirdo]

@@oz_jones it definitely was, didn't go on it as much as I liked when I was younger, but I do remember watch a lot of Arins and HotDiggedyDemon stuff when I was a kid

[@steellegion7054]

They are some pretty offensive stuff on Newgrounds. Jerry Jackson is hilarious.

[@dycedargselderbrother5353]

How do you even engage with Newgrounds content these days? So much of it was interactive Flash, even full games. I've heard of Flash emulators but don't know much about them. Albino Black Sheep is/was another source of similar content.

[@rogierb5945]

Damn its been a year already since Frosks meltdown. Time moves fast.

[@SouthernGothicYT]

Not too long ago I dug up the old videos here on youtube of the Retarded Policeman series that was something I'd watch on repeat around 10 or 11. I'm very surprised they're still on the site.

[@mrshmuga9]

“You forgot your change!”

[@michaelkindt3288]

@21:59-.-This sounds like a knockdown argument, until you remember that charisma isn't literally only the words you say, devoid of how they are sad.

[@MIKE_THE_BRUMMIE]

"Reactionary" yup this one would fill ditches. She then goes on to discredit anything they do by admitting its now their own opinions

[@SouthernGothicYT]

There's a running list between my brother and I of moments from TV shows and movies that'd never fly in this era. Classic comedies like Friends, The Golden Girls, even seasons 1-3 of Spongebob would be cancellable nowadays

[@heinoustentacles5719]

It really depresses me how much joy all this political bullshit has robbed us of.Ten years I could just enjoy a show without thinking about it. but now I keep a mental 'This wouldn't fly today' list.I miss turning my brain of...

[@Knightmare-vc8qg]

What's sad is that certain episodes of early SpongeBob have been censored. The acid scenes from "Just One Bite" have been cut out (the "You like Krabby Patties, don't you, Squidward?" episode) while "Mid-Life Crustacean" (the "Can you feel it, Mr. Krabs?" episode) has been removed from airing entirely.

[@canceracar]

That five second review. I have not laughed that hard in my life without mushrooms being involved. Oh the annals of internet history

[@marlarose3105]

I never went through this phase. Sometimes the fact I never went through rebel phase makes me wonder whats wrong with me

[@TransRoofKorean]

Honestly, if I were forced to choose between which male Final Fantasy character I'd F, she'd be in my top 10.

[@therabbitfollower5550]

What’s particularly interesting to me about Jackass as a cultural phenomenon is that a big reason why it and it’s related projects exist at all is because of Adam Spiegel/Spike Jonze- an arthouse film maker who still works with the jackass guys while doing more serious films like 2014’s Her. I feel like people tend to forget that “irreverent art” can still exist in symbiosis with “high art”. Sometimes we just need to embrace the fact that life is fucking ridiculous.

[@TrentCantrell]

This 90s kid thanks you for addressing this topic. I was around in the 80s but the 90s was the first decade I really remember. There remains a place in my heart for all three kinds of humor you described. Few things aggravate me as much as some woke newcomer to the hobby calling old school gamers bigots and accusing us of gatekeeping. I was there. We were the fringe who were looked at as nerds and weirdos by the cool kids. If you were into video games and nerd culture, you were in , regardless of your skin color or background. In retrospect, we never should have allowed the cool kids into our hobbies.

[@christianboi7690]

I never really went through a rebellious phase. I’m just not a contrarian I guess. I remember as a kid looking up to all the protagonists in media who were just awsome charismatic people who were self-sacrificing and kind and that the type of person I wanted to be and I always tried to model myself and my actions away from self serving ones and towards honesty and kindness. I was a very contemplative kid so I thought through why people did things and got to the root of peoples actions. In doing that I was able to understand what ego and greed was behind my actions so I could properly curate them. I know most people aren’t as weird and methodical as I was or as aware of their actions, but I think it’s possible to instill in children the understanding that there is good and evil. There is wrong and right. And that no matter who your mad at or what you are rebelling against that’s not an excuse to do something wrong.

[@epia125]

Thank you Dev. I've been saying this for a while The moral authority has shifted from the right to the left.

[@aarosundvall]

Moralist authoritarianism certainly has.

[@thel1355]

She talks about my unconscious bias, but there is nothing unconscious about my bias against her or her bias against me.

[@Mulletmanalive]

She also told us that the content they’re reading, they didn’t write; someone behind the camera did. I can’t imagine that that’s going to fly in the gaming media space these days…

[@ackeejag]

"if you don't like it don't watch it" Gonna see this one age like fine mayonnaise

[@pitafish]

This is the best video about the G4tv meltdown. Great ideas, great writing and narration. Great job earned a new sub

[@Leon_Sullivan]

I must have skipped the rebellious youth phase because I never talked shit about my parents, even in private company.

[@WraxTV]

The fall of classic G4 is the literal reason I cut my cable years ago. This? Evoking zero nostalgia. That Disney Channel gaming block did it better. Also, just gotta say, if a bunch of nerdy girls said they rubbed their bean thinking about me, I'd be pretty dang pleased with myself.

[@dycedargselderbrother5353]

Such a missed opportunity, too, and a way to combine old media and new media tactics. For example, in the 90s there were a number relationship advice radio shows hosted by women. Once in a while they'd get sexually explicit prank calls but the general reaction was to just roll with it briefly before moving onto the next caller. The 2020s version of this would be to read out the nasty superchats in a sultry voice or some other quasi-erotic mannerism. It'd connect a familiar, nostalgic vibe with a newer but also familiar monetization and crowd interaction method. And the screeching woman would get the respect she desperately wants by doing this.

[@catoticneutral]

"Competition is inherently problematic" sounds like cope from someone who lost one too many games of smash bros.

[@orangeninja8022]

The whole "no zoomer can ever be a real gamer" thing is why I get frustrated with people who just LOOOVE Harry Potter these days. I read the books as they came out and was mercilessly teased and mocked as a 'nerd' because I read the books constantly and had every spell and detail from them memorized. Now suddenly everyone in my generation loves Harry Potter? Everyone my age talks about what Hogwarts house they're in cuz they love it so much? Cuz it was their 'childhood'? It's ridiculously hypocritical and frustrating. Way off topic, I know, but hearing Dev talk about zoomers claiming to be gamers suddenly made me realize why I'm frustrated with modern Harry Potter fans- cuz they weren't bullied for it like I was.

[@koaga]

"If you’re easily offended, you’re easily manipulated." simple as that

[@tildoyagins7931]

The Cathedral is shaking, the cracks are showing in the concrete. Keep digging lads!

[@Cybeldar]

Said this in other videos on Frosk. Her rant was a failure because the guys who set her off are laughing their asses off at her. They got the exact reaction they wanted. The rest off the viewers are pissed because they got a lecture instead of segments on video games.

[@1495978707]

18:55 It’s a nah from me bro, messed up teeth and just generally unkempt. I understand what you’re getting at though

[@wojak-sensei6424]

You can express your disagreement with your audience in a professional way. You don't have to always go the "get on the ride or get out my way" mentality, especially when politics ain't even your show's forte. How can anyone view that G4 lady's actions as anything but needlessly antagonistic?

[@shman5000o]

A million times THIS. You'd think people would had learned the "do's and don'ts" about approaching these sort of issues all the way back since 2015-2016, but I guess not. I don't doubt that sexism is still a noticeable issue in gaming spaces, but going about it this way does you no favors imo. At best you'll just cause "gridlock" sort of outcome when discussing multi layered loaded issues of this nature. Or worse, undo some progress that others prior fought tooth and nail to accomplish. Personally, I think the best way to make meaningful progress with these sorts of issues is to have a reasonable amount of patience and work at cultivating at getting people on your side organically. The "drawing the line in the sand" method of presenting your political stances is way too risky for a setting like this. But I mean, ultimately, they're free to do what they want. Just wondering now if they're genuinely ready to lay in the bed they made...

[@XBullitt16X]

Man I do so miss the edgy 90s and 2000s, being a 90s kid I especially remember them vividly and fondly what a great era, I just wish I was born a little earlier so I got to enjoy it for longer.

[@ravensnflies8167]

remember when the media wasnt overtly misandric and racist?

[@dromalloma2651]

Is... is that a trick question?

[@AndrewAce.]

_"If you don't like it, don't watch it"_ _And nobody did..._