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Timestamps: U.S. EV Tax Incentive Update - 0:39 Elon Says Inflation Trending Down - 4:52 $40k Tax Incentive for Tesla Semi? - 5:58 Tesla Insurance Comes to 2 More States - 7:12 Ford Announces 2023 F-150 Lightning Pro SSV - 8:07 Tesla Improves Range Estimates - 10:02 The Rivian, Working - 13:32 Supercharger Network Opening to All EVs in US? - 14:50 Cybertruck Drag Coefficient - 16:02 Canoo Starts Testing NASA Astronaut Vehicle - 19:18 DOE Loans $2.5B to GM for Battery Plants - 20:44 Tesla’s New Virtual Machine Mode - 21:41 MINI’s Aceman Concept Revealed - 24:58 Arcimoto’s Cybertrike - 26:13 Siemens New Home EV Charger Adapter - 28:07 Tesla’s Standard Connectivity Now Has 8 Year Limit - 29:39 Tesla Launches New Shareholder Platform - 32:08 Into the Future - 34:54 Going Green - 37:54 Sun Spots - 39:23

[@carazule575]

Just checked out THE GREATEST CAR EVER dot come. Who knows if this is a movie or documentary?

[@knday]

Any idea if Aptera qualifies for a tax credit?

[@WhiteZombie7689]

@@knday It will not, as written. There is still the 4-wheel stipulation as to what qualifies as a motor vehicle.

[@dannyDrives_Renewable_Electric]

5:58 If the $40k per Semi goes through, to truck fleet owners it means buy 4 and get the 5th free.

[@pathfinderGM]

I started my new job at Ultium batteries in Ohio recently. It probably won't seem like we are making a lot fresh off the go but the amount of cells produced per week will grow exponentially. I'm actually very happy I'm working there and recommend it to people looking for work

[@pandatactical4530]

Signed up for Tesla Insurance here in MD for my Model Y and am going to save about $1K per year (98 safety score)!

[@Itayc1]

I think you were wrong in saying that old vehicles will lose standard connectivity after 8 years. According to Tesla's website, vehicles ordered before July 20, 2022 will be entitled to standard connectivity for the entire life of the vehicle. Look at Tesla support portal under connectivity --> details

[@tubetop123]

I certainly think so. Like any car with GPS map, you get that forever. Now you may not get updates for free, but GPS will always be in the car (just on an old map)

[@nateb738]

I work there, you are correct.

[@casperhansen826]

I think connectivity would be required to show the map, hopefully they will allow people to use their phone for that, anything can happen in 8 years

[@Seibar42]

A wifi hotspot is a wifi hotspot whether it's from your house or your phone. It's not a big deal

[@casperhansen826]

@@Seibar42 True, but you cannot get satellite maps when using wifi, you can get most of the other premium connectivity features, hopefully map data will be available through wifi by then

[@JeremiahTownsend]

The section and explanation on Virtual Machine Mode and the grid was exceptional. Thanks.

[@steveo1574]

Thank you for not putting so many ads in the start of your video.

[@MarkBarrett]

Don't plants produce more food, with more sunlight, as long as they have the water? The hypothetical of blocking solar light confuses me. It doesn't make sense.

[@kimthompson289]

Jesse, your explanation of inertia in the power grid was AWESOME! Thanks so much! Now I know

[@MarkBarrett]

It makes sense, that pulling so much wattage to charge a car; it should have a dedicated connection point. The power level is really that high.

[@Mildgreenwow]

52:19 I noticed 2 days ago at the HBG PA supercharger has wifi that my Model S connected too, but I couldnt find any starlink dish.

[@philhyde983]

0:01:06 Couple of things: 1) The senate version of the bill seemed to change slightly, but the House version was worded such that the point of sale credit ("TRANSFER OF CREDIT") was an optional thing, otherwise the buyer would still get it at tax time. 2) The point of sale credit is only in effect starting in 2024.

[@Bubbz2024]

I like the idea of how Tesla estimates range based off of multiple factors. Particularly including weather/environmental data. Even more so for our cold Northeast Winters. My ID4 doesn't even give me a percentage on the "speedo/instrument cluster" screen.

[@eyesuckle]

I'm glad they showed the video from the guy reporting the outrageous cost of renting a Tesla from Hertz. That's a worthwhile story. I certainly can't rent a Tesla at that kind of rate, but I'm always amazed at how many truly wealthy people there must be around. You'd have to be either very unobservant or rich if you can pay four or five times the regular rate for a rental car without blinking. Zach and Jesse's shoulder-shrug reaction tells us what kind of economic bracket they are in.

[@joeyscleaninglady2877]

truth

[@topherdean1024]

😐I can't even afford an economy rental.

[@gdnasp6359]

Great show guys. Yes! I work in solar grid installations (anywhere from 50~1000MW sites), and we currently use trackers with bifacial panels. We see it is more economical to use bifacial panels because the energy from incident (reflected) light even off the ground below the arrays, results in considerable additional energy production. As you note, it's all of the array design options (vertical, horizontal, tracking) that enable us to optimise the energy from the site. Great stuff to inform the wider audience. Thanks!

[@rhackenb1]

We stopped at the Carlton supercharger on our 3300 mile road trip from Indianapolis to Eden Prairie, MN, Thunder Bay, Ontario, Quebec City, and back to Indianapolis. We did a long charge at the Black Bear Casino. We used the restrooms but the buffet line was long and would have taken too long to eat. No other way to get just get coffee and a simple snack. After charging, we went on to the next exit and got coffee at a fast food restaurant. There were several Teslas charging, however.

[@davidwilson2462]

I just reserved a Tesla Y from Hertz in Nashville in September, compared to a Medium SUV (Equinox) I would normally rent, it was only $35 additional cost for total 4 day rental.

[@madhououinkyoma]

@@davidbeppler3032 That doesn't make any sense

[@steeglehman1237]

Model 3 LR AWD got in just under the wire with June 2018 order for Premium connectivity for life of car. So there is a batch of Model 3s out there that qualify for the free premium as well as S and X.

[@sarisaribiz3944]

The real benefactors of this EV Tax Credit are the plugin automakers specifically Toyota who heavily lobbied for it since Tesla and other BEV automakers cannot make it fast enough to satisfy the demand this tax credit is going to create.

[@richardfolden3860]

Exactly. Why is it the responsibility of American taxpayers to subsidize a Japanese car company? Complete BS.

[@midifool99]

Well, if they have to be assembled in North America, that reduces the sting a little.

[@FlipBoxStudio]

I don’t agree with it either, but I also would rather that EVs get a market boost than not at all. Those of us who already own pure EVs know that the more people that own EVs means more points of influence for others to switch. As well as, in most cases, owning a hybrid is just a gateway to owning an EV. I use to own Toyota hybrids myself. Then eventually went all the way to EV. Plug-in Hybrids might not convert everyone, but it’s helps those who initially can’t accept some of the negative misconception of pure EVs.

[@BigDsrq]

Hey, just a note on the Hallandale Police - you mentioned that Hallandale has 23 detective cars for their population, and your local PD has two detective cars for your area. Florida cops generally have take-home cars; whereas cops in the northeast usually drive their own cars to the station. I grew up in NY and Maine; moving down here and becoming a cop myself was an eye-opener.

[@Fitforacting]

@5:09 it was $49k for the model y in feb of 2021 so even more that what you stated. Great video as always ✋

[@frankcoffey]

Thanks for sharing my photos of EVs in Texas.

[@rickgould6554]

I saw the very same Rivian R1S while in the Queenstown, Wanaka area, last month. I've been told by a local that there is a testing area near Cardrona.

[@plague6079]

GREAT explanation of how a Grid works Jessie

[@techthehome7167]

Hey guys, just a slight correction to your explanation on the Tesla battery / mileage indicator. The battery display labelled as rated range shows the EPA rated range based on the current SOC of the battery. When using navigation it will predict based on all the variables such as terrain etc etc to get a more accurate estimate

[@leagueestates]

Great show! I just saw that iridescent Model Y as well, near Irvine, CA. 52:20

[@0HOON0]

I seem to remember my grandparent's 1990s Buick having a miles to empty reading.

[@harrisong3751]

Early model 3’s also got premium connectivity included. I think it ended around august 2018. Ours from May 2018 has it included and our other 3 from October 2018 has to pay $10 per month

[@celiaeastman9538]

We got our LR model 3 Oct 27, 2018 and we have premium connectivity included.

[@celiaeastman9538]

Now, as I recall, you had to order by June 2?, 2018 to get lifetime connectivity, which we did.

[@harrisong3751]

@@celiaeastman9538 yeah that sounds right. I think I missed it by a few weeks when we ordered

[@scottcarlson9748]

We have been installing the Connector like product in Southern California for about 10 years now. This is nothing new at least in this region. Both SCE and SDG&E allow it. We use it to backfeed larger solar systems where the panel is to small to allow larger backfeeding amps.

[@Mathis218337]

31:42 luckily i got my model 3 in june 2018 where i got free connectivity for life. Also have that on my S...perks :)

[@ChrisandKnight]

I have the premium connectivity unlimited for free in my model 3, I was grandfathered in under that. Not sure if that standard limit applies to me in 3.5 more years?

[@pinkelephants1421]

FINALLY! An incentive for buying a used EV. I've long been frustrated that almost every country in the world with the possible exception of France, has failed to offer incentives for EV's; which is nuts considering the size of the overall 2nd hand vehicle market & that brand new vehicles are completely beyond the vast majority of buyers, particularly when it comes to EV's.

[@stuartford5556]

The editors are on point this week!

[@MrSeamusMurray]

Hey guys great show as usual tonight. Well done. Just wondering if you guys noticed in the supercharger reviews more especially the German one that there was vertical Solar panels in the background. anyway that’s pretty cool surprised you guys didn’t pick up on it. Anyway all good. Regards Séamus

[@aardvarkansaw]

I like my Chevy Bolt's range declarations. It is given in miles per single kilowatts-- like 3.8 miles per kilowatt. If I turn on the AC or heat it will reduce the projected range by about 16%.

[@drx630]

I get free supercharging and premium connectivity for life on my 2018 Model 3 Performance, locked it in June 2018 for a late Aug 2018 delivery, first batch of model 3 performances off the tent line lol

[@randharper5955]

NYK keeps getting better and better. I enjoyed this episode SOOOOO much! Thanks, EV Gents. 😁

[@belgarion0013]

Hello, grat show as usual! Here in Sweden Tesla have open upp the SuC, and its chaos at the stations! People with other carbrands that dosesnt know how to park, standing wrong, their cable is to short or just dont unhook their trailer so they takes two or more spots. Hope Tesla fix this soon!

[@wertigon]

Actually this is a weakness of the Tesla SC - they were designed for Teslas where the charge port is always in the same spot. Take a look at where the charge port is located in an EV6, ID4, IONIQ 5, Dolphin, XC40... The SC charger is simply too short for many models..

[@BitJam]

@5:10 I purchased a LR Model Y last summer for $52,490. Earlier in 2021 the price of the LR Model Y was $50,000. So the price has gone up even more than what you report. I think the price was $52,990 two years ago but then it dropped to $50K at the start of 2021.

[@denverminnich4267]

Yup. Picked mine up for $50K!

[@Fitforacting]

@42:50 I think he had more to say when you cut him off. Great ideas for Solar I never thought off

[@neliosamch3195]

The meter collar extender is a good idea but the cable from the grid to the meter has to be upgraded as well because 100 Amp to 200 amp awg gage is different.

[@techboy95]

I definitely like how Tesla actually includes both ranges. The GoM range is in the settings and then I usually just have percentage actually in the driving section. When I’m driving if I don’t need the map I usually open the graph with my usage

[@StephenMatrese]

The 8 year limit for connectivity is already crappy, but to backdate it is unacceptable

[@himmura]

Eugene is a beautiful city.

[@ericv.3647]

I wish the Connector was out when I got my 2018 Model 3 becaue my electrical panel was on the other of my house from my meter in a fully finished basement, so I had to upgrade my service and install a second panel in my garage to be able to hook up my Tesla home charger. Total cost was $4000.

[@girich5473]

You all have talking about the price of changing EV's. When I retired in 2017 in Seattle there was radio talk show I'd list to that talk about different topics. One about EV not paying for road taxes. So there were different options being tossed around. One was going on mileage the EV per year. Another was putting GPS on EV and having a charge per what roads you traveled on to pay for road taxes. Charges on county roads was the cheapest as per six lane highway was the highest. I would guess it be charged when charging the EV.

[@patriciahokenson8173]

Yes I do believe it may help. We have a Model X and ordered the tri motor Cybertruck, In early 2020, so we might need something like this. We also have 40 solar panels and a 200amp panel upgrade when we added the solar. Of course we are going to change to the quad motor version when we are able.

[@danielh248]

I have free connectivity with my 2018 Model 3. We bought it right before they changed the rules. I am sure installing Starlinks at the supercharger is twofold they can update cars that are rarely connected to wifi and also provide cheap high-speeds for video entertainment or gaming while super chargering.

[@RedBearAK]

Tracking systems for solar have proven over decades of attempted use to be literally worthless. Expensive to install, **extremely** expensive if sized correctly to handle extreme weather events, and the moving parts break or wear out much faster than you would think. What you need is vertical panels on two sides and then a narrow strip of single panels along the top of an inverted U-shaped frame to catch some of the midday solar energy. The panels are still getting cheaper every year, and the whole thing could probably still be less than two feet wide/deep and mostly vertical. Maybe even just 12-18 inches. With the amount of money you save by avoiding tracking mechanisms with moving parts, you can buy at least twice as many high efficiency panels.

[@ehtuanK]

While the tracking is a problem with two-axle heliostats, I'd be surprised if it was that bad for single axle PV rows. Covering a hectare with heliostats that take up 2x2 meters requires 2500 heliostats = 5000 motors. Using 2 meter wide PV rows, you would only need 50 rows = 50 motors. This reduces the number of moving parts by a factor of one hundred. Single axle is also much more mechanically stable than double axle drives, since you can support the PV panels along the entire length.

[@happysalesguy]

Sounds reasonable to me!

[@robertskinner8477]

I don't get a POS credit that has Income cutoff. So you'd get someone out of a slug line (HOV helper commuters) to bring his W-2 to the distro then work out the transfer and he'd get a couple thou for his trouble? And then Tesla needs to Income sort the backorders to deliver those early to not ding Q4? There isn't one for the Solar Credit, other than you have to have taxes to charge your credit against.

[@nigelweir3852]

Your power analogy is good , a bit like an electric bike , you still pedal but slow down and the motor kicks in

[@AlanDeRossett]

Perfect time for full TESA rebates!

[@casperhansen826]

40:21 The benefits from a vertical bidirectional solar panels is clearly shown in the graph, I pay a lot more for electricity between 6am and 9am and between 3pm and 8pm so the owner of the panels would get a higher price for their electricity, brilliant idea

[@terrancevangemert7508]

In Canada if one sells a house with 100 amp or less service and or there are not enough breakers then the panels have to be upgraded. Its about $5,000 CDN job because of new panel and old panel swapping in less than a day. Takes two electricians and also if there has to be separate Access. Duplex had single power in and split with meters inside the house. To move meters outside and upgrade panels cost big $$. and split the duplex to separate power lines to each home. Main Breaker on Panel can go up to 150 amps. The original service was 70 amps and now it is 100amps. Do not need that meter thingy.

[@BenReichstein24]

The poll might be a bit misleading as Premium Connectivity came free for 1 year for me here in Germany - so maybe a fair amount of people have new cars and therefore choose "included"

[@Gsman9]

The EV charger adapter will likely require utility, permitting office and UL approval prior to installation. This will initially take longer than just an upgraded panel, however long run be great. Kind of an overview that people maybe not aware: Once the UL, if it hasn't already, certified the equipment, the permitting offices will need to review and approve it as well. After that is done, the utilities will review and go through it's own approval process, sometimes non-refundable fee. Once all is approved, the utility will have to shut-off power in what is referred to as a TDR, temporary disconnect reconnect, and depending on the specific utility this process could take time. The TDR involves the utility to schedule a date when a tech is available to meet with an installer/electrician and will probably require a disconnect switch to be installed nearby. This product would do well to be packaged with companies/electrician familiar with installing EV chargers, however likely be up sold on additional products and/or services

[@jdlutz1965]

The ConnectDer is already UL approved, used very commonly in solar installations for easier installation, particularly when interconnecting solar to 100 amp service.

[@soucyno1]

This was a great episode! Thank you!

[@sHillChannel]

I want my range estimates to be accurate. The car charges faster the lower it is, so I like to arrive at a supercharger with low SOC. If it overestimates the range then I charge slower.

[@milesoctober2157]

Doesn't BMW offer the same range estimate thing because my father is from seven series they basically tell you how much gas you have left and what's the estimated range that you can travel using that

[@armchair1]

My son and I follow Millennial farmer, Larson farms and Cole the corn star. They are daily farm life shows with big followings. Diesel tractors, Semis and all the maintenance that goes with those systems. Check them out I think their viewers would be blown away by the Tesla Semi when you get it.

[@sebastiant5695]

The BMW i3 guess o-meter range estimate is pretty good, as long as you are below 70mph. Below it's conservative - above 70 it's optimistic. It's based on driving style but there must be other factors.

[@vanbeek62]

Shareholder login as a way to determine shareholders for eventual Starlink IPO?

[@paul49777]

How does the EV credit work with the Arcimoto and the Edison Vanderhall?

[@AngBoire]

Bahaha Zac's little swear tirade at t he end was hilarious. Have to say I appreciate the full expression, bleep or not.

[@nastyaromanova5902]

So can you buy a cheaper Model 3 to get the credit and max out the assists later on?

[@retirementmillions6533]

I love Tesla. good videos. Thanks for information.

[@stoner27th]

52:40 New Zealand? So there are Right Hand Drive Rivians?

[@cameronbarnes5882]

1:01:52 just fell off my chair, you guys do make it funny 😁 😂 😀 😄 😆 🤣

[@jackcoats4146]

I have already been thinking of updating my fence with bifacial solar panels. Not shading. I wonder if they can be solid enough to be used as a fence.

[@suunraze]

I have studied the vertical bifacial modules before. The way the math works out, with today's prices of batteries and PV modules, vertical bifacial modules result in the least-cost mix of PV and storage to reach 100% renewable penetration. In other words, the efficiencies of producing the energy at the right time outweigh the penalties of producing less total energy per molecule of doped silicon

[@suunraze]

Another lesson to learn from this is that residential roofs with a north-south ridge are actually superior for PV than those with east-west ridges, especially as material costs for PV fall and grid penetration of renewables rises

[@suunraze]

Also, for large flat roofs, if PV material cost is not an issue, laying out the modules tilted alternating east-west instead of south results in more total daily energy production (less per module but more per roof surface area) and also spread more evenly throughout the day. I'm kinda surprised that Giga Texas is not already doing this.

[@brahmmauer7927]

Early Model 3 buyers also have free premium connectivity and free supercharging.

[@stillatwork]

I have long wanted EVs to start to make central tire air pressure control a standard feature. They have the available power and air compressor is not a very expensive part, then it's just running air lines down the axles with good vales and write some software to let the system set tire pressure to get best range (and lower pressure if needed to for extra traction) maybe sedans don't need it but crossovers, SUVs, and ev pickupsl owners would appreciate it. Seems like a great addition to the cyber truck if nothing else.

[@0HOON0]

How expensive are these systems? There is probably a reason that it's mostly just military trucks that offer this feature.

[@stillatwork]

@@0HOON0 expensive as bespoke after market systems but if integrated into manufacturing line likely not that expensive as none of the parts are expensive by themselves, but installation can be involved, but computer, power, and UI controls are already there, just need the air compressor, air lines, and valves. With the valves being the most expensive but if manufacturered in house they would be cheap too.

[@zois.kavakos]

About range estimation, I think driver is a critical parameter. Here in Greece, it's common more than one in the same family to share one car, for example me and my wife. The difference in our driving habits is big. So I guess a connection between the driver profile and the range estimation would be useful. What's your opinion?

[@DavidSpector]

I am getting my level 2 charger installed at my 100 year old house this week. Duke energy will give me $1100 rebate back for doing it. This way it won’t be as expensive.

[@massv953]

Where do I find a Used ev? They seem to be non-existent in central US

[@ericv.3647]

I ordered my Model 3 on launch day and received it in 2018. The App shows I have Premium Connectivity Free Unlimited, so I don't think I'm going to have to start paying for it after 8 years, or will I?

[@stephenriggs8177]

Glad to hear that the credit was for POS, because I doubt even $7,500 in extra deductions would be better for most filers than the standard deduction.

[@petersnelling9047]

Not a deduction , a tax credit.

[@midifool99]

@@petersnelling9047 No, I think they're trying to make it a point of sale rebate.

[@rlaxton666]

From another Richard, it is fine to swear :-) I am Australian though and we are less hung up about that sort of silliness.

[@midifool99]

Did I hear Jesse say "car on wheels?" I think he meant "computer on wheels." LOL

[@davidradtke160]

Thank you! So many other Tesla KZbinrs or electric car advocates completely skip over the requirement to source materials etc from free trade partners or the US.

[@jonathanterranova448]

solar. 3 movements per day. With a manual over ride. Farmers farming they can push a button. To change the solar position.

[@ronaldmail00]

PLEASE! Look closer at that meter connector! 2k to replace our panel was to much to justify. If it's 70ish% cheaper? I Would do it.

[@Bubbz2024]

Count me in on the ConnecDER info. Im in Philly near their sgop

[@victoraul1]

there is no need for solar panel tracker system we already know what is and what will be the sun's position at any given time. They just need to be programmed to rotate / move at a given rate so to match the already known sun movement.

[@philhyde983]

43:30 I would be absolutely shocked if you could rent a car from Avis for $40/day. Not in line with any pricing I have seen lately which is about $120 for a Camry. $200 is high for a Tesla, but is also in line with what they want for other luxury vehicles. I've seen for about $110/day at Hertz in Houston and even less at LAX. I rented one in Houston, and it's worth looking at the total cost of the rental because not all of the taxes apply.

[@MisterHaynes99]

Good stuff Carlton Casino

[@sarg3146]

I have premium connectivity for my model 3, but it doesn't cost $10/month. I pay $100/year. I think $10/month is actually available, if you want to pay monthly. But why wouldn't you pay $100/yr and save money?

[@Mulderfactoring]

What about the 4 motor Cybertruck????

[@bnk9477]

I need help. My tesla model 3 says its range is 540km. but when I charge it to full. it always sasys 460km. Is that normal?

[@nancinowlen3043]

You two are amazing I love the play on words.

[@dfbgsdfh1]

I think teslas way of showing range is better (i personally drive a model Y but have % up not miles), I am only concerned with miles on long road trip which you have a destination in and get that great info. It is nice the Rivian gives feedback that aggressive driving or other factors are effecting range. Maybe there is a middle ground where rated range is show, and then some indicator of how the last ~20 miles of driving lines up with that prediction, above or below range.

[@daimhinm]

EV Tax Credit has issues... 1.) It applies to hybrids as well with only a 7kWh battery 2.) $55K non SUV limit. It pushes less efficient vehicles (I.E. - SUVs) 3.) $25K or less limit on used vehicles is BS. What does this achieve?

[@richardmenz3257]

1) yeah that is insane should be half of it gets one at all. 2) should be same max for all 3) this one doesn’t bother me since it appears to be focusing on middle income vs high income people

[@bradweinberger6907]

1. Who cares if it applies to hybrids. Better then ice. 2. Who cares as well. People won't automatically spend 20 thousand more if they don't have the money. 3. Used ev's will be more affordable hopefully

[@casperhansen826]

1) Is should be depending on the size of the battery so a 70 kWh battery would get much more than a 7 kWh 2) Should be a fixed max to support smaller cars 3) odd but probably to avoid people using the system

[@pygmyhorde1821]

Any of these tax credit apply to vehicles like Aptera?

[@mlhutche]

Infiniti Q50 is $40 more than a Model Y at LAX. You must compare similar cars..

[@scdi12]

Well over a year ago I got an update from Tesla, saying my driving habits will be used to reflect my range. I actually noticed the range increase (no change in my % charge) as my wthrs/ mile improved. Thus, I disagree with Jess. /// Regarding the product which allows you to skip an upgrade on your service panel, I just had this issue with our son who needed a charger in his garage. The electrician saw that our son didn't have enough amps for another 220, but suggested a separate off peak meter...saving the cost of an upgraded panel plus cheaper to install PLUS it will pay for itself over time. This was Exel energy. The cost of off peak here in MN is 4cents per kWh (7cents with tax)...about half that via a regular outlet, depending upon the season. Example of cost of driving our Tesla using off peak: 100 miles takes about 25 kWh's---$1.75. Gas (25 mpg for a mid size car): 100 miles takes 4 gal for $16-$20 depending on the price.

[@danielh248]

Good thing my reservation for a model Y is slated for early next year!!!!

[@718RHM]

I have an M3 on order since May. It’s estimated delivery in October. I wonder if I can put it off until January? Why the heck wouldn’t I wait for $7,500 bucks, but will they let me delay delivery?

[@jkroiss]

saw a Rivian in Schamburg IL

[@0HOON0]

Considering the world's battery supply problems, it seems like the subsidy should favor efficient cars over suvs.

[@richardfolden3860]

Or better yet, not exist at all.

[@midifool99]

The EV rebate isn't for customers. It is simply a way to help legacy automotive stay in business while they struggle to make EVs at a profit. It's a bailout, without calling it a bailout.

[@chadthibodeaux8533]

Dude I love the casino super chargers

[@Info123aqua]

How about using solar panel on freeway retaining walls/sound walls