The Evolution of Consciousness ~ PROFESSOR MICHAEL GRAZIANO

[@torstrasburg8289]

Absolutely riveting! One of your best shows. Important insights/understandings on this huge topic.

[@tomalexander6686]

😊😊😊😊p p⁰😊

[@tikaanipippin]

I was walking out of the park with a neighbour and our dogs, and as we got nearer the gate, my dog on a leash became more excited leaping in the air, almost somersaulting. My neighbour asked why was he doing that?. I believed that he wanted to go back in her car, but she explained that she had not brought the car with her this time, and we were walking back home. At the gate, my dog turned towards where the car would have been parked, and once he was satisfied that her car was not there, he turned back towards our homes. How many times before had he had a lift from the park back home? Twice. Consciousness? anticipation? joy?, resignation and acceptance? My dog showed all these then and does daily. I don't see consciousness as special, nor particularly human, either.

[@thesane_rider]

Are animals enlightened?

[@ronaldjackson6333]

The development of the social human is a part of the research of Sarah Hrdy, who writes about how children learn to respond to different caregivers in different ways as infants, to get the attention and food they need.

[@SmileZephyr]

Any book recommendations?

[@kathiehope]

my dad had a right hemisphere stroke two years ago. his spatial neglect has definitely improved but initially it was quite severe. for whatever reason i never thought of it as a disorder of consciousness, only of perception. i’m actually a neuroscientist and find this fascinating! i’ll have to find some of your work

[@Peter-ri9ie]

This was great to listen to! Some time ago I studied philosophy of mind or consciousness and this took me right back. 😊 Would it be possible for you to make another on this subject? There are many interesting researchers out there, Susan Blackmore being one. Thank you! 🙏🏻

[@e-t-y237]

"When do self models emerge?" sounds very promising. In psychology its critical to how self-perceptions drive behavior.

[@simesaid]

I don't pretend to have any answers, but here's a few quick questions. • If primates are more conscious than other animals, or simply if consciousness is a product of evolution, then it must logically follow that "regular" primates are _more_ conscious than "irregular" ones. In other words, you must be more conscious than a person with Down syndrome... this just doesn't make any sense to me. • If consciousness arose in almost all, or indeed _all,_ animals of a certain complexity relatively early in the evolutionary process, then how did nature _know_ to share what must have been a pretty expensive piece of kit across such a widely diverse range of substrate-dependent creatures? And yes, of course, evolution doesn't "know" anything! • If conscious awareness arose for us to "focus attention" on specific problems to solve them, then why is it demonstrably the case that we perform more poorly when we are conscious of a task than we undertake it auto-somatically? • And, lastly, if primate consciousness is the epoch of some highly-refined - and so one would also assume highly complex - brain structure, then why is it the case that patients who have undergone split-brain surgery apparently suffer no loss of conscious awareness, despite the brain now having to do twice the work with half the resources at its disposal? I'll readily admit that none of these issues are in any way proscriptive for the process that Michael has outlined here. But for those still holding out hope that their phenomenological experience may still be somehow, well... magical... it's something.

[@unkind6070]

You are very biased 👍🏻 you know the answer you’re just ignoring it

[@L2p2]

very good questions

[@philosophyofvalue8506]

There is evidence that many higher primates like chimpanzees are more conscious than most very young infants.

[@rover-l1x]

With all due respect, human intellect has its limitation. Though it is good at problem solving but using intellect to study consciousness is like measuring the depth of the ocean using a foot scale.

[@christiangodin5147]

Good day. In fact, we are studying consciousness with our consciousness.

[@jamesragsdale8202]

With our consciousness we can study electromagnetism with our scientific tools and theories so we are not as limited as you're implying.

[@Hippiechick11]

This is fascinating. Thank you.

[@callmeishmael3031]

My argument starts with that we’re using the wording wrong. In my definition, consciousness is EVERYTHING that the sensory perception system does-plus whatever else is going on in the brain. What the common use of the term consciousness refers to is actually--out of all that consciousness information that's constantly coming into the brain--the very very narrow amount of information that is engaged in by the executive function that the brain creates that we call the self. It also includes any generated emotions, and any retrieved stored information that is being regurgitated by the self. This common use of the term consciousness is actually a very tiny part of the body's consciousness. In common parlance, the self refers to all of us, the whole body, and for some, a spirit, a soul. The self is actually just a wiring combination in the brain that serves a function. It is not the whole body. This self function in the brain has evolved to focus on a map of the environment that the brain constructs for the self from all that information coming in from the senses. Most animals have consciousness, and many, if not most, probably have some amount of development of a self because the self coordinates responses to the environment which most moving organisms in the environment require. It’s how the brain constructs the self and the map of the environment that is the big puzzle. The environment is all out there but our conception of it is all in the brain created by the interaction of the brain's self construct and its environment map construct. What we "see" is not our environment, it is the brain's presentation to the self of its interpretation of the environment. "We" exist in our brain, not in our external environment. Our body exists in the external environment, but "we/ourself" and our "self's'" "environment" only exist in brain activity. The self and the map-one does not exist without the other. There is no living unconscious. Only the dead are unconscious. There are times of unself like during dreamless sleep which is also the time of unmap--no self, no map--no map, no self. A dream is a map of a psychological environment for the self that is generated out of the information in the cortex during a time when the self is somehow mostly disconnected from the usual flow of information coming from a map of the real environment (and yes, there is a real environment). The brain, thus, can create different maps, as any psychologist can confirm. The brain's construct of the self/map sychronicity is what we need a term for. Not the theater of the mind, but rather the theater of the self, inside the brain, a very small part of the massive consciousness activity system in the body. All other arguments about consciousness are generated mostly from an emotional insistance that "I" exist, and the emotional response to the knowledge of the death of others and the knowledge of the certain future death of "myself." You cannot prove that "we" transcend. You've only got anecdotal evidence for that, and a long history of emotional stories.

[@ronaldjackson6333]

John Searle talks about the social awareness of others as intersubjectivity, using the term from Husserl and others.

[@bananaislandfilms]

I loved this conversation! Thank you!

[@thomassoliton1482]

Here is the secret of consciousness in a few sentences. It is basically what Michael is alluding to but from a slightly different perspective. Consciousness is not a stream - it is a whirlpool. A fundamental aspect of brain activity is working memory - information that starts with some mental activity, and that activity tends to return a short time later in a slightly different context, and that is how we solve problems by examining information from different perspectives. And the center of the funnel is not the explanatory gap, but the “explanatory funnel”, around which a mixture of new and old information circulates. That is the process of consciousness, and is the essence of self-reflection (our self-model) as well as how we continually compare our memory (our mind) with the outside world (our our body) and reconcile the two. Consciousness explains how we can can be in two places at once when we’re not anywhere at all (e.g. neither mind nor body). This process is how we generate ideas, and consciousness is just one of those ideas.

[@notmyrealpseudonym6702]

Aside from not explaining qualia or value or the different 'distinguishmen' of qualia to give different sensory feels their 'feels' or abstract thinking (memory to sensation vs memory to memory durations) or falsification amongst other aspects ... I agree. Fundamentally there is a unity which is inherently similar, same enough to cohere, different enough to distinguish. Organisms assimilate existence and experience differently through same body, same body assinlates time differently through same self, concepts and perception are derivative assimilations

[@thomassoliton1482]

@@notmyrealpseudonym6702 Well you have to start somewhere. What few ever discuss is the role of memory in consciousness or qualia for that matter. The first time you experience a color, say red, is that a “qualia”? But if you’re told it’s red, then the next time you see a red apple, you can say, “oh that’s red”. If that’s what defines ‘qualia’, e.g. recognition, then that requires memory. So you can have the sensation of seeing something red consciously, but if you recognize it as red, they your brain is making associations with information in your memory, which is a different kind of experience. Every person’s experience of consciousness is different, yet we all know what is meant by the term. Consciousness is not a thing in the usual (material) sense, it’s an idea - which could be considered a “thing”, but very nebulous.

[@-AndAllThatJazz..]

Absolutely outstanding . Feels like words can't thank enough for one best talks on one of mine favourite subjects .

[@davidtrindle6473]

The problem with studying consciousness is that nobody can define it.

[@unkind6070]

I’m pretty sure we can define it

[@m.dgaius6430]

It's very well defined

[@jacobe.1651]

Well then give us that definition guys 😂

[@azducatiramirez5470]

@@jacobe.1651 being able to feel emotions and our many senses, plus creating a hologram of the world inside of our brain based on the data we receive from the outside world. computers don't do that

[@cuiperindy2120]

​@@m.dgaius6430wrong. In fact, it is an invented word.

[@strooom546]

Amazing ❤ ty so much... "souls"... of course!... and morality/religion being 1a and 1b...

[@knowone-sts2263]

You two have much to learn. Keep up your studies.

[@ezioberolo2936]

Studying consciousness, other than the riveting reductionist scientific approach, is like trying to guess the shape of your face, the colour of your eyes without the aid of an other person or any reflecting surface...

[@jeremyl862]

This was a fantastic interview. I love it. Does this channel have a patreon or any kind of donation or support structure? Can you get him back to go into even more detail please.

[@EvolutionSoup]

Thanks so much; currently only ads and the shop help run the show, but we are looking into Patreon as a possibility.

[@mslillian4232]

Awesome thank you

[@unkind6070]

Loved the video ❤🙏🏻

[@Raydensheraj]

I own his rather short "Rethinking Consciousness: A Scientific Theory of Subjective Experience" - just to get a little bit into the subject. I'm more interested in the history and universal application of Evolutionary theory - but think anyone studying the subject should look into all the different fields of the life sciences. Another interesting interview...always high quality here. Thanks for what you do with this channel.

[@voidisyinyangvoidisyinyang885]

in terms of "evolutionary theory" googlescholar the phrase "biological annihilation" - we are accelerating into a "Mass extinction of species" crisis worse than ever seen in the 4.6 billion years of life on Earth.

[@mikemccarthy1638]

Confusion is a Paleolithic survival emotion.

[@henrycunha8379]

I wonder whether the evolution of complex spoken language was a precursor to the human development of a state of consciousness with all the attributes Graziano enumerates. Or if a precursor then possibly a necessary co-evolution.

[@sutanugupta2836]

It is fascinating, and there are lots of new ideas to absorb. Thanks

[@philboast8841]

Theory of mind is strongly contested in various disciplines, and the Idea that the 'brain builds models of itself' problematic conjecture, at best an imprecise way of talking. This discussion fails to clarify it's subject matter - 'consciousness' - and rehashes a collection of philosophically naive perspectives and assumptions. It also overlooks a considerable body of work - phenomenology - that provides a plethora of meaningful insights and clarifications into the nature of lived subjective experience, or again, consciousness and subjectivity. Such insights have already provided a valuable starting point for neurologically oriented research into the relationship between life, mind and body (see Varela, Thompson).

[@grahamgillard3722]

Humans become aware of self and self in relation to external entities beginning at birth and developing from there. It comes from the senses, and the sensations develop into concepts. There you go, that consciousness. It’s not difficult.

[@christopherdonovan5068]

See the work of C G Jung and also James Hillman. Both have been talking of the fundamental structures of consciousness for a long time. Jung since the beginning of the 20th C and Hillman since the mid 1960's. Recommend Hillman's Revisioning Pschology and also the Myth of Analysis for starters. Then, the Uniform Editions of his work from Spring Publications.

[@brianmacleod3295]

I find it interesting how some western academics ignore eastern thought and the level of intuitive knowledge developed over thousands of years on how we construct reality.

[@GKo2024]

He does not appear to know that the split between the lineages leading to synapsids ( to which mammals belong) and archosaurs (to which dinosaurs/birds belong) happened deep in the Carboniferous, which is about 350MYA, and not 200MYO as he (erroneously) states. This has deep implications upon the time scales in which complexity evolves. Apart from that his concepts are spot on and useful to frame scientific rather than ideological questions: circling aroudn the questions how these 'little models' that brains make of their own modus operandi emerge and then evolve.

[@ElkoJohn]

How does the brain create a Hologram inside the mind that displays the outside world to the mind’s eye? Do we all share the same Hologram? Much obliged.

[@simesaid]

Well, nobody knows the answer to your first question, but the short answer to your second question is no, the world that you see is not the same world that anybody else sees... It's probably very similar, but no two people's worlds are the same.

[@ElkoJohn]

@@simesaid < but if I can't examine the hologram inside of your brain, how can I know if it's different from the hologram inside my brain? For example, if you and I are watching the same TV show, I know the image on both screens is identical.

[@PeloquinDavid]

This is possibly an unanswerable question (in the absence of a whole lot more actual knowledge about how the consciousness phenomenon emerges from animal brains, rather than just speculative belief - however "informed"). The "hologram" at this point is little more than an analogy...

[@Littleprinceleon]

You do happen to know that people like me (with more severe aphantasia) doesn't really have a (visually versatile) "mind's eye"?! Who said there is a "hologram" in anybody's brain?

[@ElkoJohn]

@@Littleprinceleon < mental mirage, simulated virtual reality, mental hallucination? -but whatever it is, it's rather amazing that we all have one.

[@srenbro916]

....theory of mind, applied to ourselves... Wow, just, wow.

[@destinypuzzanghera3087]

Is it possible that the magical essence lies within the conversation between the two sides of the brain? Have you done research on the split brain

[@jamyangtenzin953]

There is no accurate definition available in the West?

[@MylesFCorcoran]

Our five senses are naturally occurring. Where there is light and dark some way to perceive the difference will evolve. Consciousness arrived in evolution when life forms obtained two senses. They needed a way to coordinate the inputs.

[@jamesragsdale8202]

So can a single cell be conscious? A plant?

[@DerekHowden]

The self model can not be consciousness because cosciousness knows it has self models and frameworks used for constructing a self that our consciousness can identify with and we use different models for different people and situations while consciousness remains the same and separate from them all. A single celled organism can react to outside stimulae without a self model so was it's reaction consciousness and life has evolved around consciousness to the point that we can talk about our consciousness? I know in my experience I have remained the same consciousness while my self model has been hammered, shaped and moulded by life.

[@asherphoenix5584]

My thoughts exactly. All of our models exist within our experience. You cannot reduce experience to the objects of experience. He may be describing something but it isn't consciousness in the way the east understands it

[@DerekHowden]

@@asherphoenix5584 yes :-) and we know we are not our objects of experience because we can observe them and free ourselves from them 🙂

[@claudioelgueta5722]

Graziano does not clarify that distinction between the temporal type of consciousness which we share with other animals and he calls state of alert and the state of self-awareness which the human species seems to have developed to a higher degree than other primates.

[@andyherod653]

Scientists quantifying consciousness is like music journalists dancing about architecture, to borrow a brilliant phrase from Frank Zappa…

[@rolando_roblero]

You should read “the origin of consciousness in the breakdown of the bicameral mind” by Julien Jaynes, and doesn’t evolution require death? So it’s more like we changed to a conscious state rather than evolved with or into having one.

[@Rico-Suave_]

Great video, thank you very much , note to self(nts) watched 37:43

[@p.m.rangarajan1055]

A very good presentation. I have two questions. Do animals have consciousness? If consciousness has evolved over time, it should have evolved in animals too.How instinct in animals is different from our Consciousness? In other words what separates the man from the animal, as the gene map is almost the same, in Primates. We trying to understand the other, by observing them, which falls under predictive behavior, as most of the animals too follow that pattern. Religion and spirituality are the exclusive domains of humans and are not useful for continuation of our species. Consciousness, which I feel is a protective layer exclusively for the humans for the higher order of learning led to creativity, speech, music, writing and other skills. The Quantum Physics may have an answer for the description of the Consciousness. It can probably be described by Quantum Field Theory, as the measurements can be through, Chemical exchanges, Electrical Impulses or Sub-atomic distribution of Fundamental particles. The Artificial Intelligence cannot replicate a brain, it can only do the connections faster. The Generative AI can be considered as truly evolved, when the AI raises its own question and not fed from us, even with a single Byte. I rest my case.

[@LeroyMustang]

One fascinating insight might be the pervasive existence of sleep. I like to consider even primitive forms of consciousness as “coordinated postures” To present the animal body as a uniform identity many of its systems muscles, nerves, organs must flex or support themselves against it opposed to each other or in specific coordination to each other, as do the systems of the mind. The “posture” of consciousness would naturally cause stress points, like standing for hours or holding your arm up. Here the jellyfish and human share a commonality, expression of the self requires coordinated effort, and effort is not perpetually maintainable lest complication ensue. Thus the identity or unique posture of the self must rest , both the jellyfish and human relax their expression and both sleep. Universal sleep in animals indicates that the self is a collective posture of the body, including mind. To be you, you must flex you into the “you” shape.

[@yvesc.4857]

According to Prof. Graziano, consciousness is the sense of ourselves deriving from the model of ourselves fabricated by the brain itself. Well, where, why and from what does the brain fabricate such a model, he doesn't have the answer and we're stuck with the exact same problem and consciousness is still a total mystery.

[@danzigvssartre]

Yeah. Reductionist nonsense.

[@asherphoenix5584]

I was literally thinking this. It answers nothing. How can a machine think it's conscious? He really should look into eastern philosophy on the subject before trying to reduce consciousness to blind mechanism

[@geobla6600]

Was one of his fiction books " The Evolution of Consciousness"? Yeah ?

[@AWildBard]

Excellent

[@JustinLinder-uo4kj]

We just developed senses to experience light. We are interacting with fields and light. Consciousness isn't a thing. If someone was blind and deaf and mute, they wouldn't really have a conscious experience would they. Our senses are what we call consciousness. Without any senses, we can't experience.

[@johnphil2006]

So attention is based on the uncertainty principle. Right?

[@leifauke]

There are no system of information signals that can interpret itself. So. You always need an interpret to handle information signals. If the output of that interpreter are new information signals, then you need another to interpreter this signals. If the brain is an information interpreeter, or the system of neurons are, you never find consisness inside our brain 😊

[@nicolaparsons5703]

Faith ❤

[@asherphoenix5584]

It's remarkable to me that he thinks the ideas of consciousness start with James. It's literally been the primary philophical concern of eastern religions for millenia

[@JoshRyanWood]

Lots of intelligent questions….

[@philosophyofvalue8506]

Graziano uses the word intentionality in a different, and perhaps misleading, sense attributed to it by its originators, Franz Brentano, Edmund Husserl and the phenomenologists.

[@humblemonkm61]

Consciousness didn't evolve, we evolved to receive it. Consciousness is all pervading, it's always there, it needs a receiver to perceive it. All sentient beings have access to it. It's your degree of training or lack there of that allows you to either make the most of it or ignore it & allow base material emotions & desires run you.

[@simesaid]

You're conflating auto-somatic responses with emotive responses with phenomenological experience with normative judgements with "free will". You're confused.

[@danielpaulson8838]

That was logical fallacy among other things. Like theists, New Ager’s conflate science terms in an effort to be a big fish in a little pond. They make backward nonsensical claims that answer nothing. Just supernatural claims.

[@clivejenkins4033]

I absolutely agree, consciousness is fundamental

[@danielpaulson8838]

@@humblemonkm61 None of that matters no matter who makes the supernatural claim. We live aware of our own life experiences. Our consciousness emerges as we do. And will therefore go when the means to collect, store and recover it is gone. Human consciousness is brain dependent.

[@humblemonkm61]

@@simesaid Said like a true materialist, by your definition you are your body & when it stops functioning you believe You stop functioning. Yes, at some point your flesh bag will cease operating as a physical being, but You (Consciousness) never cease existing. Your understanding as put forward in your response is referring to the state of being conscious, which is not Consciousness. Unfortunately this can not be validated by locating it & measuring it like you being conscious. You can only through sincere meditative practice come to realize You never cease, You simply shift form from a physical material existence into another non-physical non-material existence. Auto-somatic & emotive responses, phenomenological experiences & normative judgements are results of Consciousness moving through a physical body. They are physical manifestations triggered by the presence of Consciousness. You require a physical body with sense organs in order to exist in a physical/material world, but Consciousness has nothing to do with the material physical world it simply moves through it, around it, & activates it, as it exists outside of the material/physical realm. There are countless examples of spiritual teachings that validate this point. Let me stipulate that I am not proselytizing nor am I a Christian, the point is to demonstrate that those who work diligently with a sincere meditative practice share this point of view of Consciousness across all spiritual practices. Even in Buddhism where there is no God looking to judge & punish & reward it's subjects, they recognize that there is a Higher Self, which they teach all reconnect with it just as a drop of rain (the individual self) joins back into the ocean (God/Consciousness). So even in a philosophy of "no God" there is a Higher Consciousness that permeates & exists eternally & is not affected by physical/material things, instead it is the Source & the impetus for all material things & when that physical thing wears out, breaks down, & dies only the conveyance (the vehicle) dies not the driver or operator of the physical vehicle. God (which can be a loaded word for some, so attempt to consider G-O-D as "good-orderly-direction" that means a pointed & fixed mind on the Higher Self as that is God, You are God, I am God, every sentient being & every thing manifest & non-manifested is God/Consciousness, which is One Existence or One Consciousness. The Christians have their Messiah Jesus who taught that all who know God will never die, yes their flesh will die, but they will have everlasting life. Refer to John 11:25-26, Jesus is talking to Martha, the sister of the man who’s in the grave. "I am the resurrection and the life. Whoever believes in me, though he die, yet shall he live, and everyone who lives and believes in me shall never die." Now here’s aother verse. This one is even more precise, Jesus says in John 5:24, "Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life." The Hindus (Sanatan Dharma) have their teachings from the Vedas & the Upanishads (commentary's on the Vedas). In the Rig Veda is included the "Song of Creation" that states, "In the beginning there was neither existence nor non-existence; there was no atmosphere, no sky, and no realm beyond the sky. What power was there? Where was that power? Who was that power? Was it finite or infinite? There was neither death nor immortality. There was nothing to distinguish night from day. There was no wind or breath. God alone breathed by his own energy. Other than God there was nothing. In the beginning darkness was swathed in darkness. All was liquid and formless. God was clothed in emptiness. *(Pay particular attention to this next verse referring to "the seed" being the "bond between existence & non-existentence," which can only be discovered through sincere meditative practice such as the kind that Sages perform) Then fire arose within God; and in the fire arose love. This was the seed of the soul. Sages have found this seed within their hearts; they have discovered that it is the bond between existence and non-existence. (Notice the word "discovered" One must search in a meditative state for that seed/bond in order to Self-Realize for one's self to comprehend this understanding of Consciousness/God/You/I as it can't be taught or proven in a physical or material fashion. It is a personal & very intimate experience that one must be dedicated to uncovering. Never take anyone's word for Spiritual Truth as only personal experience can teach & make One comprehend Truth.) The verse continues: "Who really knows what happened? Who can describe it? How were things produced? Where was creation born? When the universe was created, the one became many. Who knows how this occurred? Did creation happen at God’s command, or did it happen without his command? He looks down upon creation from the highest heaven. Only he knows the answer - or perhaps he does not know." (Rig Veda 10:129.1-7) Unlike the Christians & other spiritual practices the Hindus or practitioners of Santana Dharma do not preach or teach or pretend to know what only God knows as they recognize the point of God/Consciousness is beyond our limited human capability to fully comprehend, at best we might with our peripheral vision get a glimpse of these Truths while still physical. This sets Hindus apart from other belief systems because they teach the importance of having a personal experiencial experience. Meaning once you connect to these Truths you can no longer deny that You are immortal. (The capital "Y" You indicates your Higher Self/Consciousness/God outside of your small "y" physical mortal self) I know this was a long missive, but my intention is to illustrate that you are coming from a materialistic way of compression & there is another viewpoint to consider, but alas only can decide for yourself to undertake the long & arduous journey to discover your Path towards a higher knowledge that exists outside of the physical sense organs used to navigate the material world. Your sense organs will not serve you in your search, you must quiet the mind & the body with its senses & master them & go within to discover the Eternal. You don't have to believe me, it matters not, I simply need you to understand that, to quote Shakespeare from Hamlet, "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Peace be upon you Brother.

[@glennpaquette2228]

This is the typical non-explanation given by psychologists and neuroscientists.

[@nicolaparsons5703]

❤

[@e-t-y237]

An amoeba is experiencing that it needs food and that there is food in the environment to be had. This is consciousness. So consciousness doesn't come from brains. Self-consciousness, meta-consciousness such as human brains generate are merely elaborations on this fundamental experiencing of all organisms.

[@GmanAtheistNell]

loved this video . such a deeply thought provoking subjected . thanks .

[@EvolutionSoup]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@calvingrondahl1011]

Maybe the universe is conscious and I am not.

[@DS-vq9dm]

Good way of putting it. My unconscious is conscious and my so called conscious is unconscious. Therefore I am unconscious of the consciousness.

[@johndrake3472]

I hate to tell you, we probably aren’t ever going to understand this. I don’t even know if a definition is even possible. We don’t even know if it’s real.

[@danielpaulson8838]

Are you suggesting we do not know if consciousness is real?

[@bitofwizdomb7266]

The explanation of consciousness is ultimately unknowable. It can never be solved . It’s impossible to know for 100% certain how consciousness arises

[@johndrake3472]

Amen.

[@danielpaulson8838]

If man were meant to fly, he’d have wings.

[@jardennis4nd]

Why are there zero scientists investigating consciousness as a sixth sense? Consciousness is a property of the universe and we’d be closer to this fact if scientists ate some good mushrooms.

[@knossos574]

What? Science has already determined that higher consciousness in humans came from evolution, experience on planet earth. It's frightening that social media flock believes what it does, in all these mystical hodge podges.

[@newparadigmfish]

I am a set of a’ priori modes, not a body of limbs and organs. We need to move beyond the notion of “We”. Human is a loose notion at best. In essence, the body/conduit has no fixed predicate in the abstract lens so the premise is incorrect. What is it of us, that knows this? Until we know more, we are a set of a’ priori modes trying to stabilise our line in an ocean of dissipating variables. We should define ourselves in this manner. We are a set of modes that allow for systematic alignment. A set synthesised with realities structures and stresses. Understanding this is the next step. Everything else is tied up in a field of inverted axioms and that path is a dead end. Human is not part of the way I think. I’m beyond it. I don’t know what I am only that I am not the body. I am a set of modes as I said and until I know more…

[@doylesaylor]

At ten minutes in there is a reference to 'magic' which I think is a bit of a challenge to the discussion. I get the word is used for stuff happening that has no explanation, but the word, magic, is very problematic to use for ignorance. It's questionable and leave it that.

[@jasonshapiro9469]

So, did we start wearing clothes because we got sick of getting sand in certain places or because we realized we were naked? I don't see how you're going to answer those kinda questions studying monkeys

[@jamesragsdale8202]

Clothes are a tool. Our unique human brain structures allow our imagination to put together elements of our environment in novel and useful ways. Other animals can't by far to the extent we can.

[@abbaquantum431]

MIT is in Cambridge, Massachusetts

[@jamesragsdale8202]

Boston is a city 3 million large because it's Greater Metropolitan Area includes Cambridge.

[@AngelA-bd6nf]

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[@aripiispanen9349]

♪♫♥ - Very Interesting, thank you for sharing this - 𒀭

[@callmeishmael3031]

Not a lot of discussion on the essence of consciousness, but rather how the human brain works with it. The whole tangent about modeling just shows the purpose of the cortex, especially the frontal cortex, which functions, among other functions, to store information which the self can utilize, and which can be conveyed to others. He doesn’t mention much the development of language and how our wonderful cortex enables the accumulation of signified and signifiers which enable language, and which allow us to actually tell others what is on our minds. This is all the evolution of the human brain rather than the evolution of consciousness.

[@indricotherium4802]

The prof seems blissfully unaware that beliefs in spooky unseen and imaginary agency are at the root of the darker and most terrifying aspects of human behaviour, past and present. I for one am grateful that we have become rational enough at least to, albeit optimistically, call ourselves _Homo sapiens_ and to reject a term like _spiritualis_ as the definitional basis for the species.

[@tashfiqmannan]

BUT WHAT ABOUT THE FISH?

[@vitoroliveirajorge368]

Ok. And what about of unconscious ?...

[@tyeadel]

Does consciousness emerge? Highly important question with AI

[@jamesragsdale8202]

AI doesn't have our biochemical electric reactions nor our brain structures.

[@sutediheriyonoBaladMaUng]

Ego are alive, they can't be killed, they immortal event if the body are death.

[@arejay00]

Trying to explain Qualia by appeal to "mental models" or computational terms hasn't gone anywhere. throwing deep neural networks at the hard problem is just more of the same - but more opaque.

[@theloner6063]

The very first modern human was Adapa. We are the product of genetic engineering. The geneticist Enki created us 300.000 years ago. Read The Lost Book of Enki, a translation from 800 sumerian tablets.

[@jamyangtenzin953]

It is good sign that many people with critical mind are now taking interest in this topic. However, they will never be able to understand it accurately unless they study the ancient Eastern Psychology.

[@asherphoenix5584]

I was just thinking this. The idea it started with William James blows my mind... it's been on the minds of Eastern philosophers and religion for millenia

[@destinypuzzanghera3087]

If there is no consciousness in your mind that you believe in what part of people are people falling in love with

[@jazz2177]

My opinion everything is related and cause of MEMORY. memory especially large amounts of memory is the result of so called CONSCIOUSNESS. BRAIN. Without brain NO consciousness....

[@labibbidabibbadum]

Honestly, how can you be a human, and study consciousness, and come up with something as grey and unrelated to human experience as ""the brain has self models"? You are conscious. Your own theory is an object of consciousness. You can't duck it by just "putting it aside." That's entirely anti-scientific, apart from anything else.

[@tonyaidinis4396]

Slippery thinking, goes from talking about the subjective inner experience to talking about "models" constructed by the neuronal activity of the brain as a machine. With this type of "slippage" instead of actually trying to grasp the essence of the subject experiencing those models, we go to talking about "models" which are qualia of consciousness but do not explain anything about the existance of a subject and its consciousness. Again and again scientists manage to start talking about something else but not about consciousness.

[@rocroc]

The Evolution of Consciousness - sex and mutual security. Africa is not the homeland for tigers:-)

[@robertanderson809]

Every vessel with a gut has areal awareness, consciousness, modem-like from the fungal, bacterial sod below. Capacity to absorb is the limit. Can't really take the animated vessel out of its environment and get good measurements.

[@AndreyBogoslowskyNewYorkCity]

#Quantummind is #infinite by #nature #IamBogoslowsky #nature #allisGod #OneIsAll #consciousness #EpicLove #storytime #story #Bogoslowsky

[@billeib427]

discernment

[@thesjkexperience]

Thank you, but I noticed they haven’t asked enlightened Buddhists. They have a 2,500 year head start. Why reinvent the wheel?

[@normanlittle1911]

Couldn't answer the basic question that a 6 year old might ask, What is it? As with all that are asked, That's an interesting question... then all the talk that leads to We don't know or I don't know. Just say it up front but then how does that impact the integrity of talking about consciousness. As with most it's in the physical material & if we build a bigger particle accelerator we will create more esoteric equations & hey the pay paid the mortgage.

[@jeannienelson1035]

I wish he spoken about near death experiences and the idea that the physical world is generated by consciousness

[@danielpaulson8838]

This is science based.

[@jeannienelson1035]

@@danielpaulson8838 Thanks. I'll let Roger Penrose know

[@jeannienelson1035]

@@danielpaulson8838 Thanks. I'll let Roger Penrose know

[@jeannienelson1035]

@@danielpaulson8838 Thanks. I'll let Roger Penrose know. Wonder why my comment keeps getting deleted?

[@danielpaulson8838]

@@jeannienelson1035 Not to worry, I knew what you were going to say yesterday. And Roger says, “Hey, Jeannine”

[@petershelton7367]

I don’t think your intuition is correct. All minds predict the future that doesn’t require ‘spirituality’ the assumption of conscious agents. We assume things to have intention based on the predicability of their behaviour all animals have this capacity. What makes us different is the ability to hold ideas in memory and have a separate sense of identity this gives us a sensation of choice that enables the experience of conscious self construction. A Language of formal symbols just makes us so much better at making use of this capacity. Human minds are only minimally different from other animal minds. Of course having such a strong social evolutionary bias is crucial but also is biposable thumbs and a huge vocal range. I certainly agree with the idea that we overestimate the autonomy of our consciousness without action though can have no consequence 😂

[@herminepursch2470]

The Bible says to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord. That is what I believe

[@ryandaripper9937]

How do you know the Bible is true?

[@nicolaparsons5703]

Its the creator/ god

[@Btain]

I watched this hoping a discussion on consciousness. But what it actually was, was an anthropology lesson. Human behaviours, modellings, interactions. The rest of it was rambling half-baked nonsense.

[@NTruske]

at 38:55 - on the basis of human cooperation - so to design these AIs more prone to social cooperation - what does it mean for an agent to build models of itself? - who controls the design of these agents ? - the problem of forced tyrannical social control to get non-compliant humans to design their own gulags with the help of AI ? . . .or what humans appear to prefer - We each contributing to the shared social cooperation without the force of idiot power hungry mad men forcing their WEF insanity on the world.

[@robertmcclintock8701]

(´Д｀) Consciousness is the particle and wave double slit experiment. The cones and rods of your eyes preserve the particle and wave duality so your vision don't look like a flat screen television. It's supposed to be a violation of physics but it is the only exception in the whole universe.

[@Eudbfusiwniu6]

Elaborate

[@czarina7786]

Are either of these men single ? 🎉❤

[@thomascorbett2936]

All mamals and birds ate conscious .

[@alkeryn1700]

Physicalism is wrong and this does not answer anything it's just brushing it away to evolution did it. That's not a valid explanation. We can exactly explain how the eye functions, yes evolution did it, but we can explain the exact mechanism, we are not using evolution to avoid explaining how the eye works, so why do you think you can do it for consciousness.

[@lewisforsythe1403]

DMT

[@PeloquinDavid]

Oh dear. He's effectively said that mammals (including humans) descended from "reptiles". Someone is bound to object and note the distinction between diapsids and synapsids back in the Permian or thereabouts, only one of which is conventionally viewed as giving rise to the clade "Reptilia" (spoiler: we aren't from that branch). That said, both diopsid and synopsid critters DID indeed have their belies close to the ground and their legs splayed out to the side in a distincty creeping/crawling stance that, in Latin, would have been called "reptile". Let the pedantry begin!

[@jamestodd2323]

You're the one who brought it up, nobody else. Dr Graziano was making a simplified point for clarity.

[@user-wj2nh3ml1b]

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[@wishiwsthr]

I hate people that experiment on animals