The Evolution of Hyrule [Part 4] - Zelda Theory

[@jamesrmcgalliard137]

I read that the gods evolved the Zora into the Rito so that the Zora couldn't dive and discover the hidden kingdom of Hyrule... interesting perspective

[@fluffynator6222]

Yeah, I remember that one.

[@theassassin8797]

So do I I remember it is well but the Rito from the Wind Waker are not the same Rito from breath of the Wild because they're shaped differently they're not the same Rito

[@kendrajade6688]

I just figure the Zora that didn't evolve into Rito just stayed underwater.

[@IanHsieh]

I remember it was because there are monsters in the sea so the Zoras cannot live in it.

[@jasonworlock5113]

At least it is better than them just evolving, but didn't Link need the Pearls to access the location of Hyrule? Wouldn't that mean that it was in a separate dimension that the Zora wouldn't be able to reach. Also, was he trying to say it was easier to evolve into an avian race than to adapt to saltwater?

[@Melont06]

This is probably my favorite History class, no joke.

[@seancoady102]

Facts

[@pearseybaby6444]

Join the club

[@okuyasuniijimura]

This is so true. Alexa, play zeldas lullaby

[@Melont06]

@John Wehrle yeah i know right?? 😃

[@Ch-ew9tm]

@John Wehrle you’d probably enjoy history class more if you saw the links between civilizations and nations. Zelda history isn’t very developed in comparison to other fantasy franchises. They just do what ever they want and make a game out of it and then try to find something logical to fit it in the timeline. That’s why Zelda history ain’t that great. Only The story in games but they completely ignored the story when they do the next game.

[@theoaremevano3227]

Hylians when given the edict by the gods: "Oh no! We're going to be flooded! Where should we run to?!" One guy: "I know!! DEATH MOUNTAIN!" ......................... ............... ......... Hylians: "Ok, gl with that, dude."

[@bonelessfae4041]

i kinda figured that the gods raised certain parts of hyrule into islands so there'd be more chance of survival, explaining the sheer number of islands in wind waker, some of which dont entirely make sense with the original geography of the land

[@neptuneplaneptune3367]

Also some of the mountain peeks we do see in Ocarina just...arent all that hygh. So it would in theory still be possible to just dive down to Hyrule but we can see that clearly Hyrule is SUPER deep. So I agree the Gods probably broke off the various mountain peaks and had them drift upwards alongside the sea forming.

[@earthbouds2595]

In windwaker, at the cafe on a chalkboard, if you translate the hylian letters, it reads Lon Lon milk, likely indicating that a new Lon Lon ranch was made after the flood. But is faraway.

[@theoaremevano3227]

@The Lavian : The ranch may be destroyed, but the line of cows must have lived on. I mean, have you seen how cows react to catastrophic events? They give zero Fs about anything. The ranch probably got obliterated and they were all still standing there chewing. XD

[@dayshallcomeagain]

​@@theoaremevano3227 Hilarious but so true. Those cows can survive practically anything. Swallowed by a giant fish? No problem. Just keep on chewing. Stuck on a volcanic mountain? Pff. Keep chewing. Stuck in a hole with no way out? Just keep on chewing, there's nothing to it. Those things have to be invincible, it's ridiculous. Hyrule could have flooded and they'd be chewing on the seaweed for all we know. I mean, they can literally TALK. No wonder their milk is so sought after, it comes from indestructible, magical talking cows. In all seriousness though, it's possible that Malon's descendants managed to survive the great flood and like in the downfall timeline, likely fled to Holodrum and made a new ranch there, explaining why Lon Lon Milk is still a thing.

[@theacademictaskmaster6481]

@The Lavian OMG, does that mean BOTW = Adult Timeline?

[@dragonmaster1500]

It could have been located on Greatfish Island, since we never really get to see what that island looked like before it got smashed to pieces.

[@alexgreen4361]

Interestingly, if you take Ocarina of Time's map and rotate is slightly clockwise, the forsaken fortress matches up with the gerudo fortress, greatfish isle matches up with the area of lake hylia, outset island matches up with the are around lon lon ranch, and the forest haven is closer to where the kokiri forest was. The only area that moves out of where it should be with this is death mountain, though it is possible that dragon roost island is a different mountain peak in the eldin area.

[@DarthTingleBinks]

I would assume it's a different peak, as Dragon Roost's peak is far taller than Death Mountain was ever shown to be. And seeing as there are Goron structures in the Volcano, the Gorons definitely came to Dragon Roost at some point. However, I doubt they lived here, as although Gorons typically live fairly high up (because they live on mountains), they have never been seen to live at such extreme hights. They only ever entered the Fire Temple from OOT from the entrance in Goron City, which was made mainly to appease Volvagia. It's possible that they came to Dragon Roost for the same reason and built the temple as a shrine to Valoo, rather than actually living there.

[@samuelhagberg3694]

@@DarthTingleBinks yeah, that makes sense. It wouldn't be impossible to be a peak that wasn't as large in the past, since a volcano's eruption can blow whole chunks of the mountain off , and flowing magma could create a new peak

[@ZeldaLore]

Labrynna and Holodrum are in the same physical world as Hyrule, as in The Minish Cap these locations are also mentioned in the figurines for Din and nayru. Zelda and Impa also travelled by land to these locations, so they most certainly are not in a parallel world.

[@MonsterMaze]

Hence why I stated that Encyclopedia is questionable ^^

[@insanemakaioshin]

@@MonsterMaze The reason the Zora became Rito was to get away from Ganon's Sea Monsters, aka Alpha Predators. All land creatures were sea creatures fleeing predators.

[@houseofskulltulips]

@@insanemakaioshin Ganon had sea monsters?

[@thegreatmajora5089]

@@houseofskulltulips The big Octos, Gyorgs and seafaring Bokoblins and Moblins, and the Seahats

[@insanemakaioshin]

@@houseofskulltulips 10 eyed squid and more!

[@fluffynator6222]

Fun fact: Ganondorf probably turned the Gerudo into Moblins. They both carry the same kind of weapon - a spear with a sort of dagger at the front and orange cloth wrapped around it. The Gerudo might've been the pirates that owned Ganondorf's fort before he took over.

[@TotalInsanity4]

Oh I like that one

[@dayshallcomeagain]

There ARE Gerudo Pirates in Majora's Mask, so it could definitly work.

[@xinpingdonohoe3978]

So they both carry a glaive, with an orange cloth to symbolise their loyalty to the King of the Desert. So what? The only connections are their weapon type and loyalty. The rest is different. Also, it is confirmed that it was indeed a Gerudo Fortress. That's likely why Ganondorf obtained it so easily.

[@fluffynator6222]

@@xinpingdonohoe3978 Well, it's basically the same exact weapon and the downfall timeline mentions Ganondorf's followers turning into monsters in the dark world. Not to mention that the pirates seemingly vanished without a trace, at least according to Tetra I think.

[@xinpingdonohoe3978]

@@fluffynator6222 well, those transformed in the Dark Realm weren't followers of Ganon. They were seekers of the Triforce. They had no loyalty towards the Demon King, and thus were transformed into monsters.

[@jorgecaimanque6951]

I remember having a pet theory back in the day of the Realm of the Ocean King being the remains of Termina in the adult timeline, after the portal in the Lost Woods leaked the flood into the other world. I faintly remember a certain island in the game having an oddly similar history to the Ikana Kingdom, which made me make my theory in the first place.

[@diegoruiz9328]

thats good, that makes sense

[@SchrollShepard]

I assume you're talking about the Isle of Ruins, which used to be the Cobble Kingdom before it mysteriously fell to... well, ruins. If that's what you are talking about, it's a nice idea and all, but the aesthetic and architecture of Ikana and the Cobble Kingdom are totally different. They're not the same place at all, or even related for that matter. Ikana was more defined by a bloody war with the Garo and it seemed to be connected to the concept of the dead, it also had a more artistic side, with its famous composers and such; while Cobble simply disappeared, noone knows how or why. It was a land of architects, engineers and technological prowess; while its people seemed to have some connection with divination magic/abilities. Plus, Cobble's Egyptian aesthetic is completely removed from what we see in Ikana.

[@calebcarmichael5513]

One of my favorite things about the LoZ is that it is portrayed as just that: a legend. Details get lost over time, and geography is usually inconsistent in our own legends. Nothing can be labeled as right or wrong.

[@stuffz1757]

I'll be dead, cold, and six feet under before I accept Labrynna and Holodrum as parallel universes.

[@josiahtheobald5084]

It's kind of a shame if you think about it because Ocarina of Time through Spirit Tracks really goes to show how awesome the Zelda franchise would be if they had a consistent chronological timeline to it

[@BlaxeFrost-X]

Except that That consistency made it so they can't continue the legend of zelda... it had an ending

[@papersonic9941]

@@BlaxeFrost-X no it doesn't? They are still making games, you know?

[@BlaxeFrost-X]

@@papersonic9941 I know, i'm talking about that timeline... Spirit Tracks is practically the end of the timeline

[@commonviewer2488]

@@BlaxeFrost-X Botw is 10,100+ years after the latest parts of the timeline. A lot could have happened during this timegap.

[@BlaxeFrost-X]

@@commonviewer2488 yeah, which means breath of the wild is no longer connected with another game in the way of a consistent chronological timeline

[@perry9872]

If you were my history teacher I would be in the front row aggressively taking notes 🤣

[@MonsterMaze]

Nice ^^

[@foxstevens5725]

*hand raise* Is this on the test? Its ALL on the test. Oh shit *note taking intensifies*

[@dominicrose8998]

If this was my History Class I would be passing with flying colors

[@gabrieldehyrule]

Just a suggestion, but maybe you could do an episode on BotW Hyrule considering how it would fit with the lands presented in the final games of the 3 timelines. Not placing it in the timeline, just exploring the 3 different possibilities regarding geography.

[@MagillanicaLouM]

Just wait till 2 comes. Honestly probably best to just ignore BotW in these kinds of discussions anyway, at least until it's "era" or whatever is concluded with and we know all we can to piece stuff together

[@red5t653]

@@MagillanicaLouM It's noted as 10,000 years after the defeat of Calamity Ganon, but which Ganon that comes from is unknown. There's even a possibility that Calamity Ganon was simply the name chosen because Ganon was nearly ALWAYS the being defeated by Link and Zelda. There's a non-zero chance Calamity Ganon was simply Demise taking on a more animalistic form since it is described as Hatred and Malice Incarnate, not something like the Wrath of the King of Evil or something like that. Given that Breath of the Wild 2 seems to have heavy emphasis on time travel to a time where there were islands in the sky, who's to say that those 10,000 years aren't in reference to the first war against Demise?

[@7F0X7]

@Arcticus To me that's just proof BOTW cannot be in the adult timeline. It clearly isn't in the hero defeated timeline either since OOT's successful story is literally depicted in BOTW's written in-game history. Therefore, it must take place in the child timeline, but with elements of the other two timelines eventually converging into it. The most blatant example would be some Zora becoming Rito, but other Zora remaining as Zora. From the hero defeated timeline we see the eventual outer border of Hyrule become the defining eastern & southern borders of BOTW's Hyrule.

[@TheProfessor66]

Botw is in the unified timeline so you can't decide which timeline it's in. Just accept the fact that it's not in any of the exhibiting timelines and call it a day.

[@darkofthediamond]

Learning about the ending of phantom hourglass gave me chills as spirit tracks was my first Zelda game and it was little astounding

[@Adventureruler]

Hearing him explain the after credits of Phantom Hourglass makes me wish I beat it as kid when I had it, because I loved playing Spirit Tracks

[@burdbrane132]

18:57 woah that seagull knows how to clip through walls, get me a houy pear

[@houseofskulltulips]

6:24 Well they wouldn't drown, Gorons can breathe underwater indefinitely, as seen in Twilight Princess in Zora's Domain, and I think Breath of the Wild with the kid in the Death Mountain hot spring.

[@dunkleosteusterrelli]

Deterioration

[@clintelkins9630]

They could all be down there, a whole society down in the deep

[@HudsonDiTomaso]

*Geography Now! Hyrule* This is as close as we'll get to that…

[@OmegaJX]

YES Edit: I WAITED SO LONG FOR THIS IT'S SO GONNA BE WORTH IT

[@Cliffordlonghead]

Don't edit saying First

[@theassassin8797]

I've actually heard that when you go into Hyrule Castle in Wind Waker that they actually decided to build the castle Before the Flood happen around the Temple of Time because you get the master sword from there

[@DT-Wise]

I’ve been looking forward to this!

[@alexistrudel6837]

Sameeee

[@martymcflyy6775]

Samme

[@jamescampbell1999]

Dooku?

[@martymcflyy6775]

@@jamescampbell1999 no silly that's vader

[@DT-Wise]

@@martymcflyy6775 The line i said came from Dooku tho

[@Firnen718]

Everyone talks about being the first to view, but what about being the first to like because you know its gonna be great :3

[@commonviewer2488]

I hope Nintendo keeps better track of the timelines, and uses parallel worlds like Termina and the Sea of the Ocean King for when they have an idea for a game that wouldn't fit into any of the branches.

[@ShadowVincent3]

I wish, but Nintendo are too lazy to think about story for more than a few minutes and would rather just say its up to interpretation than try to think about making it work. Heaven forbid this is a series with literal centuries between games and has shown hyrule and ganondorf aren't the only things you can do with it, and its not like one of the most popular games in the series is essentially a side story where the main villain is an npc from the previous game, nup, having an order would just be too stifling to creativity apparently

[@doomsdaybooty1072]

I hope Nintendo just makes good Zelda games and continues to ignore the timeline because having a game be fun and consistent within itself is far more important than forcefully stringing together a bunch of video game plots just to please a small percentage of fans who obsess over that shit. This isn't Tolkien, or classic literature.

[@RangerColinLZ]

Much like the ending thought on Part 3, I tend to think that Four Swords Adventures is misplaced, if not entirely non-canon. Because if that game wasn't in the Child timeline, the child timeline would have been wrapped up nicely as well. We have Link going back to be a child, Majora's mask that gives the Hero of Time a separate adventure, and then a game taking place 100 years after Ocarina of Time with Twilight Princess, where even the Hero of Time's story is wrapped up nicely with him teaching his descendant sword techniques that he never got the chance to. It all wraps up so neatly, just like the Adult timeline.

[@MonsterMaze]

Agreed. it feels very misplaced

[@MasterCrawford343]

In Phantom Hourglass I thought Jolene was a Gerudo, she looks and fights like one

[@avalonrector5345]

Same

[@EmeraldEyes1776]

Personally, as far as BotW's Hyrule's placement goes, I'm in the group that thinks it's basically an "inevitable conclusion" to all three timelines. There's a theory that time is like a river and it always returns to the same direction it was originally flowing, even if it branches off at some point briefly. So at some point down the line, after thousands upon thousands of years have passed, all of the timelines eventually converged back into a single one and it's in that "branch" which BotW (and the first Calamity) takes place. That's just my opinion though.

[@joedoe7041]

that's an interesting theory. my own option was that it takes place after twilight princess, as that link destroyed ganon's physical being letting lose demise's soul

[@GreenGiorno]

Forget any "Zelda timeline explained" video, all four of the videos in this series summed up everything so perfectly. The timeline intrigues me so much, and I have always thought about Hyrule's geography and how it has changed over the years, so this video hit me in all the sweet spots!! Loved it sm!

[@charleschamp9826]

When they say that the Gods intervened during Ganondorf's second invasion, I always took that to mean the lower gods. Things on the level of the Light Spirits or Jabu Jabu, those kinds of gods. Not the three Golden Goddesses that actually made everything.

[@Fuzzypaws]

Same. The golden goddesses already refused to intervene directly when the Interlopers ravaged Hyrule, and sent or awakened the light spirits instead, so what makes Ganon special by comparison? It pretty much has to be the lesser deities, especially since they'd be more likely to have to act by way of such blunt force instead of just booping Ganon out of existence or into another world. Heck, the Golden goddesses even clearly refused to or couldn't intervene when Ganon's daddy Demise exterminated almost all sentient life. I actually don't think they're around anymore. They created the world and either just left for elsewhere as per the OoT myth, or were consumed in and became part of their creation. The light spirits were probably just part of that creation.

[@nickcurrant2254]

That's certainly a possibility, but it's important to remember that the Sages would gather together in Hyrule to play music to call upon the gods, just as when they play music to restore the power to repel evil in the Master Sword, in WW; and the two sages even stayed behind in the Temple of Earth and Wind to pray. There is no indication that these 'prayers' were directed toward or received by the Deku Tree or Valoo, for example. This seems to indicate that they were not the cause of the flood, as the sages would not play for those lesser gods before the flood. That doesn't prove that it was in fact the Goddesses who flooded Hyrule, but it does at the very least indicate that something greater is involved. However, since the WW intro shows them symbolically praying to the Triforce when they pleaded to the gods, and this behavior continues throughout WW (Ganondorf and Daphnes pray to that power when they attempt to use the Triforce, which is of course a symbol of the Goddesses power), it is implied to be the Goddesses even if it is due to their ignorance.

[@commonviewer2488]

@@Fuzzypaws How do the Oracles fit into this though? Din and Nayru clearly sought out Link's aid with foreign lands, and were guarding powerful magical relics that could change time and the weather. There's some connection between them and the actual Goddesses.

[@dayshallcomeagain]

@@nickcurrant2254 Same. I'm pretty sure it was the Golden Goddesses who flooded Hyrule, not the lesser deities. I mean, sure they are powerful, but they're not THAT powerful. The closest of a deity living in Hyrule that we've seen so far that came even remotely close to matching their power is the Goddess Hylia, and even she was mortal, albeit extremely powerful. In fact, she seems more like a more powerful version of a guardian deity, this time the Guardian Deity of the Triforce. However, I don't think that the Golden Goddesses were ignorant of the affairs occurring in the lands of their creation. I actually think they are far more intricately involved than many people say they are. People just overlook it in favor of the more dramatic acts the Goddesses took the protect the Triforce, such as the banishment of the Interlopers and the Flooding of Hyrule. There's also the Oracles. Whether or not they are actually reincarnations of the Goddesses themselves or simply given their names, they DO have connections to the Golden Goddesses, thus more proof of their close involvement.

[@nickcurrant2254]

@@dayshallcomeagain, Yeah, concerning WW and the flood, I just think there are too many indications of the Goddesses being responsible--the game itself seems to lean this way. I mean, even when playing music to restore the power to the Master Sword--of all places in the temple--they place it upright in the middle of a Triforce symbol (which, again, represents the Goddesses' power). The only way I see the lesser gods being responsible is if every god and their elemental powers all acted at once, called upon by the Sages' music, but even that seems like a bit of a stretch. I feel like changing the whole world so quickly and dramatically would require the supreme power of creation, like the Goddesses. Edit: Just spitballing here, but I think it's possible that the Spirit of Malice (which incarnated into Demise, Ganondorf, etc...) was a God that came from outside creation--the Demon Realm or somethjng--and so the Goddesses have no supreme power over his presence because they don't rule him. They are forced to fight him through mortal means, because his presence cannot be totally eradicated.

[@noahrotter]

It's also worth noting that if LttP and WW are happening concurrently, Kakariko and Windfall exist in roughly the same location at the same time, just across different timelines.

[@Zinkolo]

There was literally a confirmation and a placement done a long time ago for breath of the wild confirming that it was a convergence of all three timelines and takes place so far after everything that everything that could have happened has happened and ended up in breath of the wild

[@mossie104]

Thanks to BOTW my wife started to play her first Zelda game ever! She asked about previous games and I tried to explain the history of Hyrule. You have saved me! All four of your video’s explain everything far better than me. As always your content is superb, thanks Monster Maze👍

[@kmcsciguy]

While I enjoyed playing the games in this timeline branch - I strongly dislike that Hyrule is gone and all the main story/lore beats are also gone.

[@commonviewer2488]

It's a good ending for the people of that world, but I get it.

[@nickcurrant2254]

Or is it...?

[@MagillanicaLouM]

Yeah, it's a sad ending to the Hyrule we knew but also an inspiring thing to end on a new beginning with Spirit Tracks

[@andresmarrero8666]

They are still largely there. They are just underwater.

[@Deas-Mhumhna]

When I played Phantom hourglass, I got really attached to the captian. He was such a cool, expressive character. I was really sad and started to tear up when link had to return.

[@ketochiesesoyyo]

Ahhh these videos make me so goddamn happy every time they're posted... thanks for such great content @monstermaze

[@MonsterMaze]

Glad you like them ^^

[@andyyellowhouse2108]

Man the spirit tracked theme always gives me tingles because it’s the first Zelda game I played

[@dominicrose8998]

Yay! I'm so happy to see Part 4 of Evolution of Hyrule! Love the Content See you on Thursdays Stream!

[@brunogarcia2788]

The Zora didn't have time to adapt to a sudden flood, so they just grew wings xD I was shocked you didn't make that joke. Great video though!

[@Jordan-pp5bo]

It is my personal opinion that Breath of The Wild is some smashed together timeline brought on by the three timelines having in some way shape or form halted Demise's curse, so the curse just violently smashed the timelines together to be like "no, no, I said forever" and that is how calamity ganon came to be

[@MonsterMaze]

3 timelines, 3 goddesses... coincidence?! Probably...

[@Ninten007]

I've heard a theory that the band of pirates that Tetra mentions used to occupy forsaken fortress could have been some last remaining gerudo.

[@angelo8606]

16:05 Looking a this graph hurts me. The autors really didn't know what they were talking about some times.

[@MonsterMaze]

Yes! I bugs me. But I still wanted to at least mention it's existence. But I don't agree with a lot of what they presented there.

[@james13sylar]

I would love to see a game in which you could travel trough the different timelines, seeing how different "the same locations" could look like. At the end, maybe the timelines are fused into one, creating a hyrule that is an amalgamation of the ones you visited, and it leads to BotW and its sequel.

[@Mauricio0973]

i really hate some stuff from the encyclopedia lmao, like how it states that Termina is a temporary, dream-like world like Koholint Island made by Majora using the Skull Kid's memories when it was always presented as a parallel dimension before

[@mrgreatbigmoose]

Wow! Never seen the kingdom beneath the waves in such detail! Thank you! 13:06 the whole island resembles an eye is you remove the manmade outcroppings. This island is also inhabited by a gentleman from a cold climate...foreshadowing Snowpeak - it's in the right place?

[@chickennuggies906]

this video gave me more knowledge about the timeline than any timeline video ive ever watched! thank you!!!

[@ajerjavec4723]

I’m not sure if anyone’s mentioned this before but the cyclopedia actually does explain the Zora evolving in the rito the waters of the great sea are illusionary and different from hyrule it’s it’s also the reason why despite being you know an ocean no one seems to fish

[@Little-Dude]

This was such a great series! I love how much thought and effort went into it. I've always thought about how the maps evolved for each game so it was really nice getting a very in-depth dissection of it. Bravo. And I look forward to the Breath of the Wild one (though I can imagine it may not connect to the previous games at all)

[@Lordlaneus]

I still think the Adult, Child, and Downfall timelines are better thought of as the the Courage, Wisdom, and Power timelines. When the three bearers of the triforce were gathered in the ruins of ganondorf's castle, and the timeline was torn apart by three mutually exclusive wishes, Link's wish to defeat Gannon, Zelda's wish to undo his reign, and Gannon's wish to destroy Link.

[@foxstevens5725]

Duuuuude, holy shit that's good.

[@Jackster8484]

I rembere seeing this kinda cool fan theory. In that the forbidden woods in wind waker is the old Koikri forest town. The main evidnce is that buildings inside the tree look like buildings from ocarina of time.

[@0utskirtsOfNowhere]

My theory is that some Zora went to death mountain and became the rito, but there were still some Zora frozen in time beneath the waves. Once the ocean barrier was broken, they were freed, and eventually able to go to the surface and establish a new Zoras domain. A few millenia later, there's both rito and Zora in hyrule. Also that's why Zora in breath of the wild live so long, it's a residual effect of the time freezing magic on their ancestors.

[@TirkableLight]

Actually that makes sense as to why there are still zora after the evolved into rito

[@bobbleton6517]

These videos are really quite interesting. They go far beyond just placing the games in a timeline for the simple sake of having a timeline and you did a great job of knitting the story of its evolution together in a ... less confusing pattern. Also, I could barely make out your origin from the way you speak, so I applaud your accent (or rather, the loss of it). I can't wait for the sequel to Breath of the Wild and I will be sure to check out part 5 of this video when you release it. Subscribed. :)

[@BlaxeFrost-X]

The thing with parallel worlds and portals being always together is that in ocarina of time, portals were just warps within places rather than dimensions, there is also portals for time travel like Ocarina of time and Skyward Sword, and portals to alternate parallel worlds like the dark world and lourie which are clearly alternative. Koholint being a dream and the world of the ocean king being something like it is proven by themselves. I personally don't think Termina, Holodrum, Labryna and "the minish world" are really parallel dimensions... but rather a place far away link takes a warp portal to, or just a portal to change size for the minish world...

[@dayshallcomeagain]

Same here. Termina was actually always intended to be a seperate land, not a seperate dimension. Same with Holodrum and Labrynna.

[@BlaxeFrost-X]

@@dayshallcomeagain Yeah, imagine a timeline where they had enough time to make majoras mask with new assets

[@dreamscandle112]

SPIRIT TRACKS WAS MY FISRT AND FAVOURITE ZELDA GAME THE MUSIC IS SOOOOOO GOOOOOD

[@lordlazza]

Man, it feels great to just lie down a chill out watching this. This is great stuff :)

[@MonsterMaze]

That means a lot to hear!

[@cb123195]

Even though it's been quite a while I wanted to come back and finish this part since I seen the others respectfully upon release. Great job and looking forward to the next one when time comes. Thanks for sharing

[@audrayliar7480]

I love this series and I hope it will be continued when we hopefully get more information with botw 2 :) My personal favorite headcanon is that botw places at the end of the adult timeline, many many thousands of years after Spirit Tracks. There barely is any proof for this and most connections I just speculated and made up but I like it the best this way xD

[@herooftwilight1443]

Great series! Thanks for making these videos!

[@alexd4655]

Learnt more than you than from entire school life! 👍🔥

[@AustinKukay]

At one point in the video you said Geologically rather than Geography. It made me laugh as a Geographer because so often people ask me about rocks, thinking I'm a geologist lol Great videos mate 😁

[@giornogiovanna9290]

Yes these are so interesting and fun to watch! Please continue to make them!

[@needamap1390]

Hey, Giorno Giovanna, what's your favourite zelda game?

[@giornogiovanna9290]

@@needamap1390 ooo I can’t make too much of an opinion since I’ve only just got into Zelda with BOTW OOT and age of calamity but I would say out of those: Botw

[@needamap1390]

@@giornogiovanna9290 Those are the only ones I've played to, I hope Nintendo rereleases the old games

[@goopi_eh]

Great vid! I was looking forward the Adult Timeline analysis the most. I have a proposition, though: can the New Hyrule be the same landmass as the Zelda 2 continents? I mean, there's nothing that would suggest otherwise. Not only would it bring at least some consistency to the everchanging geography of this world; it also fits well thematically - both ST and AOL are the last games in their timelines, marking the Ganon's ultimate defeat (and therefore breaking the cycle, probably?), so moving forward from the ancient lands to the new territories would be a great farewell both times.

[@MagillanicaLouM]

Adult Timeline is both a sombering end to OoT's history but an inspiring new beginning

[@paperoization]

aw, i was hoping you'd connect new hyrule as the adult timeline's version of labrynna! with the mountainous north, volcanic northeast, southern shore with a few coastal islands, southwest forest with a lost woods, and important spiritual sites in the center (the tower of spirits and either ambi's tower or the maku tree's grove), there's some pretty significant similarities between spirit tracks and oracle of ages. there's even some unnamed sections of the map that line up well too, like the mountain and gorge by slippery station lining up nicely with symmetry city's plateau and nuun highlands' river!

[@frickinfrick8488]

I really loved this series!

[@Alex-mi6vp]

Thanks for the great videos my dude! Fantastic work 😁

[@goblin3810]

Great series man. I appreciate all the with you put into it all.

[@RMM342]

This whole series was so masterfully done. Thank you for your hard work, I can tell a lot of effort and passion is put into all your videos. As a major Zelda nerd I really appreciate it.

[@chillhighjosh]

Great videos, I always been trying to find information about hyrule evolution and you just created a full series about it, thanks!!

[@MonsterMaze]

'T is my pleasure! ^^

[@happypanda6518]

Great vids. I always thought not in the literal but maybe their all stories. Each is an iteration of someone of that time. That’s why things always are different in each game. No one tells a story the same. Like the telephone game, at the end the message is different from the beginning.

[@patedamande1842]

I already wanted BOTW2 but now i want it more cause i want the next "Evolution of hyrule" this is just really good T^T

[@ekiri_dreams]

I had a theory that Tetra is from Gerudo ascendance as well as Royal family ascendance, so maybe more gerudo escaped and either they mixed with the other human races or the rest sailed away to find bigger lands.

[@theteacher3160]

I’ll have to watch the whole video later, but I’m excited to listen to your lecture Professor Donny. 😁

[@Dreadgen_]

I love this series of videos ! This is like Zelda 101 for those who want to know the lore and why the landscape change so much lol I have a question tho, at 4:41 you can see that the whole sea seems to be loaded, i just want to ask, how did you pull this off ? It's an amazing shot and I'd love to know more to make wallpapers and stuff !

[@retrogamestudios6688]

See there all you need to make a kick ass Zelda movie. A already known return to elwcaoeur

[@jonahdunch4056]

If you squint, the New Hyrule map roughly maps onto Labrynna as well as the northern continent in Adventure of Link (which I think may well be one and the same). Look at the island in the southeast corner, the river flowing from a northwestern source, the general distribution of rocky and green areas. That means Holodrum/AoL's eastern continent, plus AoL's northeastern maze island, are lurking somewhere to the east of the 'new' world...

[@BrokenSocialScene23]

I liked that you brought up the saltwater/freshwater explanation for the Zora turning into Rito. I would add further that they were likely also forced to "land" themselves due to increase predators that would have swarmed in from the ocean (sharks and other monsters). Having been the number one predator in the rivers and lakes, to then being prey in the ocean would've forced them to stay out of the water. Additionally, unlike the Hylians who are technologically more advanced (developing machines, boats, and other tools), the Zora lacked the know-how and knowledge to craft such items. Again, evolution would've forced them to turn to the sky, what with the limited resources on Dragon Roost Isle and the inherent dangers of the vast ocean. To get to neighbouring islands, flying would've been the next evolutionary step for them. I'd also suspect their bone structure could've helped their fins evolve more easily into wings.

[@odistabettor]

This is a fantastic series. I was really excited for this video and enjoyed the series as a whole. Thanks for making it.

[@BlaxeFrost-X]

4:05 little nitpick... you said "zelda's ancestor" but she's "zelda's descendant"

[@Martyste]

No, the end screen of Phantom Hourglass didn't feature any train related sound. What you hear is Linebeck's Boat. However, tradition has been kept and the "Conductor" ending of Spirit Tracks ends in the same fashion, with Link's train blowing its whistle.

[@SAI-Max_D]

Not sure if what you mentioned at 21:31 - 21:49 was subjected to localisation differences - similar to how Spirit Track's Byrne was called Staven in some regions (or the whole Cat Confusion from The Minish Cap's PAL version - but I know in the Australian version of Phantom Hourglass that what is heard when the End screen fades to black is the S.S. Linebeck, with the whistle sound based on the chimney part equipped.

[@Vixin24]

I've loved this series! I was looking forward to the next installation about botw so I'm sad we have to wait but I understand your reasoning. Great job with this series!

[@L337M4573RK]

There is a strong theory that in WW, all of the Gerudo that followed Ganondorf in OoT were rounded up, killed, and buried inside the Earth Temple.

[@LambExe]

I'm really enjoying this series man, keep it up

[@elisibethjames7488]

I’ve got it My theory is that the timeline is unstable and it’s collapsing into each other, eventually leading to BoTW.

[@bmprimer7809]

12:30 , i imagine that the kingdom told all the hylians to come to castle town to be escorted to a mountain, and in this context windfall makes sense since as you said it's like the new capital of the great sea and i think the residents of castle town would also be sent there, with people eventually sailing to offset island to live there too

[@bmprimer7809]

sorry outset forgot the name

[@tigerofdoom]

This is one of the best series on zelda lore

[@rlely5472]

Absolutely wonderful. All of these have been incredible

[@jorgeortiz2578]

Excellent video dude, you are awesome, I have been in cirgury today and now that I am in house more rested i enjoyed this video and the entire series itself, thank you for your great job, congratulations for making these fantastic work!

[@234zuscoutjango9]

Great video as always!

[@xinpingdonohoe3978]

First, the Gorons don't have as much issue with the Great Sea as you suggest. They can't drown as they have no need to breathe, so they'd simply live a slower life underwater if they fell, which many of them probably did. Consider the Gorons of Twilight Princess. The Underwater Goron is the obvious call, but there is also the Goron kid in the Hot Spring. He mentions practicing holding his breath but never needing to come up for air. This is ingrained in them. Many millennia after, this is still shown with Gorons like Dugby, whose face is submerged for all of daytime. That's also evidenced by his gurgling speech, if you can't look at him for some reason. Also, the Koroks are simply the evolution of the Kokiri, not the "pure and true form". That's nonsensical. Kokiri are merely Hylian children who don't age due to being inside the Great Deku Tree's aura. When they leave, they age. The companion Fairy is also a blessing from the Tree. To say that the true form of Hylians is tree spirits is comical at best. I will also add that if anybody had "Sheikah ancestry", then they'd be Sheikah, born of Sheikah man and Sheikah woman. With her round ears, Mrs. Marie is a Human, so not even a Hylian, let alone a Sheikah. No Sheikah are seen in this timeline. The only clue to their potential survival is the Gossip Stones that somehow appear, but even they could be a callback of an expedition long ago by the Sheikah.

[@Annieoftheskies]

We dont even know if the capital was actually rebuilt in the same spot after zelda sent link back in time though The land at that spot is just barren, dry with a giant lava pit, dosent sound like a good place to rebuild a city

[@Ausholliday15]

What kinda makes the time line split more tedious is that it's more multiverse involved since we have different dimensions and parallel worlds

[@catalyst539]

Maze, if you have seen it or not yet, Zeltik has a very good Forbidden Woods and Forest Haven theory that I recommend you all watch. Proof that it is true is in the FW, where the remains of Kokiri Forest can be seen.

[@catalyst539]

Nintendo has confirmed that BotW is the ending of every timeline.

[@houyo]

Got a new theory! The Hidden Village from Twilight Princess, 'Old Kakarico', instead of becoming rundown became Windfall Island in this timeline. They are located in similar spots of the map compared to other landmarks.

[@chanimalice3874]

My theory is that the kokiri only became the kokiri for the duration of the OoT game, as when Link's mother took him to the Deku Tree, and the Deku Tree saw his potential, he instructed his koroks to change their form to match the Hylian in order to disguise and protect him. He also would have told his koroks to tell Link that Kokiri cannot leave the forest or they will die for his protection, as you see at the end of the game, they can leave quite easily with no harm.

[@nickcurrant2254]

I have heard this theory before, but there is some strong evidence against it that a lot of people are unaware of, namely three things: 1. The Kokiri retained their form long after Link left the forest in OoT (seven years), and at that time the Deku Tree was long dead and Link didn't need taking care of. 2. Fado was a Kokiri long after Link left, after OoT. He would meet and play music with King Daphnes before the flood, along with the other sages--long after the Sages of OoT were gone. 3. The Deku Tree says, 'Once upon a time, long ago, the Koroks took human forms, but when they came to live on the sea, they took these shapes', meaning they only transformed because of the flood.

[@OurHourglass]

It's worth noting that the Forsaken Fortress used to be inhabited by "a rival band of pirates" that has since vanished. Since the Gerudo were pirates in Majora's Mask, I assumed that the Gerudo from OoT eventually became pirates based out of the Forsaken Fortress. Then they vanished either because of Ganon's arrival or just some unrelated reason.

[@ZeranZeran]

Great video man. Love your stuff ♥

[@stevendierkes6028]

I love this series

[@MartKart8]

I remember the Anouki mentioned the land of the Ocean King as their old home, in the squeal.

[@MonsterMaze]

Guess they took that ride on the Ghost ship too ^^ haha

[@Solibrae]

Maybe once the Ocean King took was freed from Bellum's grasp, he was able to open up other portals between his realm and Hyrule's world.

[@andresmarrero8666]

@@MonsterMaze probably not considering our greedy captain from Phantom hourglass also made the trip with his ship. So there might be some semiconsistent travel between the two.

[@Yo-qr5fz]

I think maybe Windfall Island could be located where Twilight Princess' Hidden Village was, as you said in the third part it could be there during OoT's events. Maybe that land survived the flood and the descendants from Kakariko moved there.

[@IanWatson]

Zeltik's got a video, "The Mystery of Windfall Island," which convincingly lays out the idea that Windfall Island used to be Ocarina's Kakariko Village. If true, the overworld geography doesn't make a lot of sense, but the island itself matches up to the village quite well. While that video sort of contradicts your conclusions here, he's got another one which doesn't, but is still pretty neat: "Forest Haven = Kokiri Forest?" which matches up features between the two.